2020 Land Rover Defender vs. Wrangler vs. 4Runner - The New Defender Goes Off-Road With the Big Boys
In this video, see how the new Defender stacks up against the best off-roaders on the market. Our experts evaluate the new 2020 Land Rover Defender on the road and off-road with two of the best and most popular off-road vehicles, the Toyota 4Runner and the Jeep Wrangler. How does the new Defender stack up? Find out in a good old-fashioned off-road comparison test.
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Um not on sale yet duh.
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So you guys actually had a Japanese guy, a British guy and an American, and you put the Japanese guy in the American car and the American guy in the Japanese car.
2nd gen Vw Touareg laughing
@@tyrellcobb4665 and you have a point, so what’s your point.
4Runner : Let's do this comparison again at 200k miles.
Rude lol
After the main oil seal is replaced or nah?
Yep
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@@zachmcbee9311 lmao how many Toyota’s do you know broke down
The biggest surprise is the defender made it the whole test without throwing a check engine light
BURN!!
No shit! Lol
I'd still rather have the Defender than a boring old Toyota.
So tht means it doesn't break down
lol
We'll turn everything off on the 4runner, but we'll put the defender in auto. Seriously? You lost me at that point.
Yes, it's not fair at all Because the defender it's using the electronics to climb there
the Defender software works it all out for you, just push the accelerator, it works out how much power to which wheel, torque split, all sorts. From what ive seen so far, its hugely capable, and extremely effective.
Yeah- not a fair shot for the 4RUNNER. I guarantee you I could have made that hill in mine on just 4LO. I’ve done WAY more intense stuff than that without my diff being locked... kinda made me a bit salty disrespecting the TRD 😂😂 but fair play, Jeeps can go places 4Runners just can’t.
@@crazyfroggie6546 and will break down constantly
@@USA-qm2bk yup. The Toyota may not be the most “capable” of the off roaders, but mine won’t break down like Jeep and especially Land Rover. Plus, I couldn’t even get it fixed around here without paying a ton of money to a shady mechanic and void the warranty
I'll never trust another Edmunds rating again after watching these guys.
Well said!!
@@Gadmeer These guys know nothing about true off-roading when it comes to the 4Runner
Total clowns
Skippy,s are NOT off-roader.bet none of these sissy boys could change a flat tire.
The main difference is that, two of these will be in the shop while one of them won’t be! Haha
Jeeps have gotten a bit more reliable. The Land Rover? Down the other way.
J G LR have gotten more reliable since ford sold them as well.
You know what. You make a damn great point
Yeah you're exactly right the Land Rover in the Toyota will be non-stop mechanical issues. I have yet to see a reliable dedicated 4x4 Toyota. and before anybody jumps up and down and starts screaming about the Land cruisers that's one vehicle that I absolutely love but I would never want one as an off-road vehicle they're just too big. Now if I just want to go trail riding or do some weekend overlanding Land cruisers great vehicle for that. But if I want to do serious off-roading I'm not taking a long wheelbase vehicle.
@@reds7vn644 That’s weird. I have yet to see or own an UNreliable Toyota. And I currently own three Toyota’s. My 4Runner has over 200,000 well used miles (off road often) and has had zero repairs. Just normal maintenance. The Toyota 4Runner is absolutely the most reliable of these three any day of the week.
Edmunds: 4Runner is a transmission away from a tremendous success... 4Runner: Five generation and sold all over the world...am I a joke to you?
I'm getting a 4R but I agree. Toyota does some weird stuff like dual auto climate control only avail on the Pro model. Seriously my BMW m3 has that from 1998. I understand the reliability angle with the mechanicals but they are a bit too stuck in time. With the amount of volume they move of 4R's and profits getting msrp or mark-up they should be able to spend more on R&D to get a more modern drivetrain.
@@ShogunateDaimyo I'd say 4R's drive train is perfectly fine. Climate control may not be up to "world standards" but is adequate and I have not problem with it. What does suck is infotainment but for about $300 I installed an nice aftermarket JVC unit. In other words, whatever shortcomings Toyota may have, they are overshadowed by overall comfort, ride quality, and - most importantly - dependability.
@@nofyfb123 had mine 5 months and 8k miles and it is an amazing vehicle that suits all my needs thus far. I still feel an overdrive or 6th gear would be the one thing that make make it perfect as gas prices will likely only escalate.
@@ShogunateDaimyo I have two 4R's - 2004 with 4spd and 2005 with 5spd -, and I have mixed feelings about it. 5spd seems to be running at higher RPM and shifts more, 4spd feels smoother. Also, I have not noticed any advantages in gas mileage. I do, however, know for a fact that more parts/complexity = less dependability. Even in Toyota's case because it's a universal tendency.
The amount of shitting on the 4runner in this review was laughable, and that’s coming from a Jeep owner. I mean, just on the first test alone, it’s the first up the hill and it has ZERO momentum. Like it’s virtually starting on the hill and not carrying any speed. By contrast, the Jeep carries more and the Defender even more than that. And let’s make it clear right now: air suspension is a gadget. This nonsense about not using any assists on the way up is just that: nonsense. If anything, it tied with the wrangler. That’s a pretty shameful test. And then, all the stuff about the engine and transmission. It’s aged, but of all the drivetrains presented (including my own Jeep), it easily has the best reputation and is considered bulletproof. That 4.0 V6 or whatever it has has been in the 4runner and the FJ cruiser for a long time, and it never fails. I’d wager that that 4runner is going to be on the trails for a decade or more longer than any new defender, and some jeeps (though hopefully not mine haha)
The idea is that the vehicle doesn't leave you stranded off-road in the middle of nowhere. That would be bad. Kudos for your comment!
this channel in general seems kinda wack compared to other automotive KZhead channels
The only issue the 4Runner will ever have is rust....
@@Cbv1914 maybe. I thought they addressed the rust issues with better steel at this point? I think the 4runner still has a fully boxed frame unlike the tacomas and tundras, but I thought they had basically handled the rust stuff. I’m a bit out of my element on that stuff
@@david05111 was looking for a 3rd or 4th gen and they all had Swiss cheese frames. Ended up with a GX460 which has the same frame as the current 4Runner so we’ll see how that goes. So far it’s rusty but no holes yet.
I've heard that the Land Rover is the most off-road of them all since it spends 50 percent of it's life on the shop lift.
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😆😆😆😆😆😆😁😁😁😉you've said it all
That's pretty funny lol
I got my defender just after it got launched Trust me the sources you heard from are fake coz I have owned 3 Lr and never ever faced any issues This is the best car i have ever owned Booked new range rover sport as well!
Haaaa haaa haaa 😏… stale … next please
I like how Edmunds puts out a "comparison" video and immediately gets blasted for how incompetent the drivers are.
in the 4runner you had to press the A'trac traction control before using the diff lock... that wouldve put the car in full off road modeee
They're car expert they said🤭
I own the 4Runner. It stomps all those vehicles if you know what you are doing... Edmunds this is a joke.
@@ianspence1234 naaa the jeep is better than the 4 runner and defender(also is better but as reliability issues) as well not with this video
@@ianspence1234 exactlyy that 4runner is amazing
How about instead of having all the stupid gadgets, you just lock it in 4 low and drive. Like the Jeep does
Really Edmunds? Have you ever heard of ATRAC? How can you give an honest review if these guys don’t understand the capabilities of the 4Runner? The 4Runner is way more capable than what these guys are leading people to believe.
i came here today as i had watched the video on my tv about a week ago too and could not comment, thank god someone shares the same views and have posted it
Exactly. Use A-Trac and MTS before the CC please... oh well Edmunds at least there are other contest providers on YT that have done a better demonstration of the 4R OR control capabilities than you...
Fr, he wouldn't even give the 4Runner like a quarter throttle before he gave up. "we used ALL the off road systems" like no?? Not even close? MTS, ATRAC, and good old fashioned momentum would have gotten him much further
So they switch the Defender to different modes using multi terrain select but ignore ATRAC and MTS on the 4Runner? Poor journalistic integrity.
@@north5103 the guy in the Wrangler didn't used anything because he used momentum
Just totaled my 2014 4R Trail unfortunately ... Had a 120K on it, the insurance gave me a significant amount of $ because it holds so much value.. Couldn’t get to a Toyota dealership fast enough to get another, love 4 Runners! Got a 2021 TRD Off Road with very manageable payments...
I bought my 2002 with $5700 in cash, I use the money I save from no payments to save for my next one , that is if I ever need a next one. 😁
how tf you spend 120k on it XD you cpuld buy 3
@@johnteutsch612 read my comment slowly.. I had 120K ( Miles on it )..
ah i was like HOW
I hear you, Brothah! I had a 2014 and loved it! I hope you weren't hurt. I now have a 2016 Trail Premium with only 8600 miles. She is probably my last vehicle.
4Runner can handle that hill easily in 4 low without the locker, crawl Control, etc. I’ve seen it many many times.
Spot on these Sad Sacs are Shit Bags .... 4 RUNNER TRD PRO full beans ahead of the rest
I did this hill in my stock Mercedes ML320 lol
😂😂😂 all you 4Runner fanboys are so offended.
I’ve wheeled the wrangler and the Jeep and the 4 runner is not even close to as capable
The way you go about that hill is 4 high and have a little Momentum and that hill would be no problem you could problem do it in 2wd
note: "This was not a payed promotion by Land Rover", yeah right 😂
Range rover is better on offroad no matter what
I stopped watching after statement ‘Land Rover miles better than Wrangler’....
Yeah it's getting obvious now that land rover is desperate
In auto mode the landy uses it's diffs, Traction control and literally everything it has so yeah in my eyes the jeep and Toyota are still better and way more affordable
Fluffy Panda the jeep is not more affordable... a rubicon is over 60k with options..
4runner will outlast both of those other vehicles... combined
Not a hard thing to do especially when that defender will break down in a week 😅
In reality you'll find that Toyota 'suffers' similar reliability issues to Land Rover. Of course, I don't expect Toyota aficionados to accept that nor indeed, Land Rover aficionados. I am neither, and in the latest European dependability survey, Toyota suffered an average of 134 faults per 100 cars, with Land Rover at 142. It is always good to understand the bigger picture and in the last 10 years, Toyota reliability has become problematic. Interesting to see how the next 10years pan out for both brands...
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@@Clavinovaman and completely ignoring the severity of said faults. I can assure the land rover faults will be much more severe than the Toyota faults. It's just a fact. You can look at the numbers but you're ignoring the crucial details to it.
@@seren1ty755You assume incorrectly. I am not ignoring the severity of the faults. I have mentioned this on several similar posts on the subject. Most of the Land Rover faults relate to software, which has plagued Land Rover for many years. I am confident that the new leadership will help the company turn the corner. However, Toyota's reliability has taken a knock in the last 2 or 3 years particularly. It will be interesting to see how this is managed and what affect this has for customers in the coming years. Many thanks for your comments, nonetheless.
4 runner will still b running and off roading 20 years from now!
Who keeps a car for 20 years
Ppl do buy use cars and truck! U don’t have to keep a car for 20 yrs. the 4 runner will still b running 20 years later! Not everyone has a deep pocket
@@jeff1595 my uncle still has his 2001 Jeep TJ
I still see lots of defenders from the 90s just saying, hardly any 4 runners from that era but some vehicles people will rebuild even if they are crap just because they are icons like my 81 vette a complete POS but the only 81 vehicle I see in town as an 81 accord though better is tossed as scrap? Fuck who knows
@@jeff1595 I'm hoping to. 4runner all day long
Is Edmunds slowly just becoming the Motor Trend crew of 6 years ago?
As a former Wrangler owner, and current 4Runner TRD owner I can say: The Wrangler (stock) is slightly more off road capable. The electronics on the 4Runner are amazing and help close the off road “gap” if you take the time to learn and USE them. Learn the truck and it’s systems before performing a test. The Wrangler is poorly constructed, so many things broke on mine. It’s noisy and a handful on windy days. Really better suited off road. The 4.0/5speed in the 4Runner is perfectly fine. I like it much better than the powertrain on the Wrangler. In fact, I prefer it to the 3.5/6speed in the Tacoma. If you optioned the 4Runner with KDSS, you basically have a sway bar disconnect equivalent. How about comparing the properly optioned vehicle??
that guy has NO CLUE about 4runners. he said the 4runner doesn't have a ton of options, the TRD Pro has a rear locker, A-Trac, multi terrain select and crawl control. he only mentioned the crawl control and the rear locker. the trail edition and I believe TRD Off-Road has KDSS + everything the Pro has. (auto swaybar disconnect). I have the trail edition WITH KDSS. he also talks about the old transmission. Yes the DESIGN is old, but Toyota hasn't changed it because it's nearly bullet proof. even hardcore Jeep owners admit they wish they had such a bullet proof design. why do you think we're still seeing used 3rd or 4th gen 4runners with 200-300k going for so much money still? you KNOW Toyota has some new bullet proof transmission in some secret underground bunker somewhere that they've likely been testing and improving for decades before they feel it's ready for the prime time. after all these years with such a reliable motor and trans combo, they've built a reputation they CAN'T fuck up, they HAVE to get it right. perfection takes time...in Toyotas case a lot longer than we would like, but I'd take a motor and trans combo that'll last 500,000+ miles of hard use than something maybe slightly more efficient that'll need to be replaced or repaired after 100k of hard use. I beat the absolute donkey shit outta my 5th gen with 120k on it, 50k of those likely off-road (I don't drive much on road unless it's on my way to the trails. All I have is a Bilstein 5100 2.5" lift on all 4 corners and some BFG K02's for feet, everything else is stock, UPCs LCAs, links, rods, everything even stock springs!. every group run I've been on, the Jeep guys always howl as they watch me climb up and over rocks on stupid, butt puckering inclines with only the smallest amount of wheel spin, BEFORE I LOCK THE DIFF. they love when I come out to play with them. when shit gets real harry, I switch to multi-terrain select and choose whatever terrain I'm going up, usually loose rocks or worse, when it's worse, I lock the rear, when shit gets even worse, I throw on A-Trac, when it's worse than that I lock the rear AND engage A-Trac, when it's even worse, I engage crawl control, sit back and relax as my 4runner crawls up whatever I aim the nose at. Crawl control also works as hill decent assist, it's brilliant! I live on the west coast of Canada in BC, our off-road trails cover all sorts of terrain, from thick rain forest mud, loose rocks, rivers and beach sand, to the rocky mountains. my 4runner does it all with a smirk on its face the whole way.... and I don't even rock a winch. the 4runner doesn't have a lot of options and is old? yeah ok buddy, ok. /rant
Yup, Carlos lost all credibility when he said he had to turn on "all the bells and whistles." No A-TRAC, no multi-terrain, no swaybar disconnect .... It sure would be nice if these guys actually knew about the vehicles they test.
it’s okie to be mad
They can rant and moan about how old the drive train is on 4 runners but Toyota laughs about it all the way to the bank because of the massive amount of them they sell and because the resale value holds better than probably any other mass produced car or truck. A lot of people especially those looking to buy a utility vehicle would rather buy older but proven than newer and unproven. Toyota understands that.
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Thank you. These guys are daft
I’ve done that same hill on my 2016 4Runner trail, 4 high without an issue.
I guess "reading the manual" is not part of the Edmunds car review process. Pushing the ATRAC button is all you needed to do to climb that hill in the 4Runner. The reviewer in the Land Rover set all the knobs and stacked the deck on the comparison while the 4Runner driver just bumbled his away.
Well, this is par for the course for Edmunds. The defender may have "off-road goodies" but is a giant pile of shit. Gove me the Jeep. Gove me the 4 runner. Keep the defender.
@@stout_tossme7541 Even give me a Suzuki Samurai 🤣
did y'all see TFL car reviews, they bought a brand new defender and they only had it for like 1 day and 150 miles before the check engine light came on, they got the vehicle repaired and had to take it back to the dealer cause it's a lemon!
So true! I own one and have done more challenging climbs without a diff lock. The 4runner driver is a joke. The defender sets himself up before doing anything. Land Rover sponsored? Jeep is in its own class.
@@akui88 Actually they only had it for 67 miles and the check engine light eliminated for engine misfire, went to the dealership and the Chief Jaguar/LR engineer out for three weeks. It finally left the dealer for another 83 miles and and then the vehicle is now currently back at the dealer with 150 miles with no known date of repair completion. IMHO the Defender is a poorly developed car that simply belongs in a garage with a Roof Top Tent for the kids to use as a mobile tree house as that’s the only way you will get any value for your buck🤣😅😂
Regarding the 4Runner, it’s big inside, it’s comfortable, it’s smooth at highway speeds, the transmission criticism is valid in the hills. It may not be the latest tech, but having talked to many mechanics...that’s just asking for trouble later on. They will all tell you this is a 300-400,000 mile engine or even more, their words not mine.( by the way I believe 4 low on the jeep automatically engages traction control, I know my old jeep did. The defender had his front and rear differentials effectively locked if you notice the slow rotation of the free wheels)
I would trust a Toyota more than the others. #ToyotaReliability.
Yeah, I love everything about my 4Runner other than the drivetrain. I hate the drive train. The motor doesn't make any torque at low RPMs, and the transmission is lazy. Other than that it's a great vehicle. Yes, I realize it's a reliable drivetrain, but so is the 5.7 liter V8 and pretty much every other drivetrain that Toyota makes. I just hope they don't go backwards and put the 3.5 V6 from the Tacoma in the next gen 4Runner, because that thing is an even bigger turd than the 4 liter. .
Now that the new Defenders reputation is trashed this review is hardly relevant.
As many have mentioned already, the 4Runner likely would have been able to easily get up the first sand-covered hill with only 4-Low and ATRAC enabled. They left everything off initially. The first thing to try would be ATRAC, even before locking the rear diff.
Japanese cars are always neglected when it comes to competition
It's not fair with the Defender traction control always on permanently
"Fewest amount of electronics" - I'll start the Defender with the Auto Mode plus rear diff lock and just a tiny bit more momentum.
you got that right, hahahahahah Fairplay it's called, mate:))))))))))
The older defenders look so freaking cool I wish they brought back that body style
The old defenders were simple as sledge hammer, a blacksmith in the middle of nowhere could maintain them. This so called "defender" is nothing but the attempt to exploit old glory for radically different platform.
kzhead.info/sun/q8mdh9OGjKFqh4k/bejne.html Meet The Ineos Grenadier: Classic Land Rover Defender Has Been Reborn.
Vehicle designers are too inept and incompetent to recreate something dope like a classic LR or similar Utilitarian American vehicle.
@@yp01 it's an Indian vehicle made in Slovakia. Only the name is British (like the Mini (German) and the MG (Chinese)
I really love the old defender
4Low on the Jeep activates the Brake Lock Differential similar to A-trac.
Thank you.
Just curious....can the Brake Lock Diff be engaged without using 4L on the jeep?
NOTE: Not all the kit in the 4Runner was used. The A-TRAC wasn't switched on.
Neither was MTS
There’s no issue with the 4Runner. The driver is the worthless one 😒
True i could make that in 4low
The driver doesn't know how to use the system.
I got the same impression myself...although I do think there is a bit more of a learning curve to effectively tackling any real obstacles offroad in the 4Runner vrs a Wrangler. Wranglers are simply more forgiving when it comes to minor driver miscalculations and better able to sort thru things on their own even with a lousy driver.
I have been all over with my TRD off road. Never had an issue with anything. From the hills in Kentucky to the dunes in Michigan to the rocks in Utah it was comfortable to travel long distance and enjoy off road adventure. Never abused always amused at its abilities.
I don't trust this video. I've never had to use anything other than 4 low to climb a hill like that with my '16 4Runner Trail.
Even Sr5 could make that no problem
I think he could've got away with taking a better line. 4 low with a-trac without diff-lock would've done it as well.
Same man. Been up far worse in mine and I didn't even turn on anything besides 4 low. I think the dude is playing it too safe.
@@omarpineda57 He's a Tesla driver for sure. Think just because it has crawl control doesn't mean it drives for you. Also needs to put a fossil fuel in there to make the car go broom broom. =P Never used my crawl control on mine ever. Air down 4 low will do the trick or air down 4 high with a momentum maybe.
Damn! You guys dont even know how to use 4Runner A-Trac?!!?!!!!?? And you call yourselfs experts? 👎
I call them hacks.
This seemed like all 3 driver’s first time off-road. 🤦🏻♂️
As a 4Runner owner I can say being a simple and old car as the call it is what makes it sell so good in the US. I had an old 4Runner and when I traded it I got another 4Runner, I don’t need any other car
Ask @TFLcar how their Defender is working out for them.
They are best friends with the Dealership Service department - so hey, new friends! :)
That's just one car. No one attributes all JLs with the death-wobble because of one video on KZhead. No one attributes all 4th gen to spontaneously combust because it happened to a single well-known forum member. Only simpletons react in absolutes.
HAHAHAHAHAH WAS ABOUT TO TALK ABOUT THAT
@@jaydeepark2851I understand that their brand new defender is not working properly, it happens, but the fact that land rover can't fix it is unacceptable and disturbing.
@@freshlydead74 Fair point on JLR's engineer's failure to fix the problem. Thank goodness for Lemon laws.
only came to the comments to make sure people were speaking out on this anti 4 runner stuff. 4 runner can handle all that if they only hit A-TRAC
@Oskar Dirlewanger laughs in 500k+ miles
@Oskar Dirlewanger what? He wasn't arguing modern v old tech. Its actually similar the newer vehicles just engage the extra OR assist features without manually requiring it. That is not a plus IMO.
Let's come back in 100k+ miles to compare maintenance costs, repair costs and resale value.
The only reason I bought the 4Runner is because of the 4.0L V6 and its 5 speed transmission. It might not be the most fuel efficient and powerful, but it's the most reliable out of those three trucks.
Exactly this. I know my 4Runner will go 200k miles and I can camp in it.
@@bryansmith2005 Do you camp in it ?
Damn, it’s rough when car reviewers try and talk off-road prowess of vehicles like this. Can we get someone who knows what they’re doing in the 4Runner? My SR5 does inclines like that all day long. I’ll have my 4Runner all day every day over the other two.
4runner definitely took a harder line up the hill
I hit the trails with my friends. We have 4 runners (base to pro), Jeeps (all sorts). Do you know what we do not have/see on the trail? New Land Rovers (some very good looking 30-year-old).
@@stout_tossme7541 because they're out here doing actual off roading... kzhead.info/sun/ZMedqM2eeKKCpok/bejne.html
@@gc2234 hahaha. The new LR? Very few and far between. The older LRs, I see them all the time.
8:05 “it is the thing that would hold me back from recommending the 4Runner”. Definitely you are a biased jeeper, why didn’t you mention that engine/transmission combo of the 4runner has been on the market since 2000 and it can easily reach 300k plus miles without any issues? I have 116k miles on my trail experienced ‘17 and have never taken it to the shop except for scheduled oil changes unlike the Silverado z71, the f150 fx4 and the rubicon i previously and regretfully owned
Its laughable. I have 2016 4Runner Trail and have over 106K miles on it. No issues whatsoever. I've only taken it off road once but have no worries about doing it again because the 4Runner just runs. People love shiny new things until they have to do maintenance. The 4Runner is so easy to maintain.
Thanks for sharing your personal experiences. Very valid in this discussion.
Right. The 4 runner old engine and transmission will outlast both vehicles x2
Your “off-road” driving is so cute 😂
Man- that articulation on that wrangler looks so good.
Yes, it does feel like the 4runner has been around for over a decade... because this gen started in 2009 and that's how time works.
The 4runner is a very dated platform, and on paper it lags behind. The thing is, it still continues to run, unlike the Rover. Stock, it's more reliable than most Jeeps. On paper, it's not up to those two, but in the real world it excels as a reliable tool. The jeep platform is hand down the best if you build it up and only drive it off road. The Rover is an amazing idea and excellent when they work. Except, they almost never work. The 4runner comes in and gets it done. Not necessarily as well as the other two, but it still gets it done and will continue to do so for thousands of KM or Miles and in any conditions. You can check my bias, I own a GX470 (4runner) that I bought USED. I'd hate to have purchased it new because its not as good as it should be for that price. As a used investment, however, its excellent. I chose it over an LR4 (awesome when they work and on paper) and a Jeep (more expensive, less reliable, and not as comfy as a daily driver compared to the 4runner). If you're only going off road and you can afford to build it up and maintain it, go Jeep. If you need an investment that will last, ho 4runner. If you want to show that you have so much money you can piss it down the drain on a truck that's a poser, go Land Rover.
Lol imagine paying for a 2020 new 4 runner only to find out it's a 2009... And that's how to milk the Toyota fan bois.
@@HKFIJIHK My 09 Prado runs as good as it did when I bought it. Maybe that's what people who buy Toyotas want.
Technically longer as the 4th gens ran the same engine and transmission (got an 04 with the v8)
@@aaronb7996 ..except you do mean you bought the 470 'used' right...?
After a video like this, I’m so grateful for TFL Off Road
4RUNNER ALL DAY
Why?
@@Clavinovaman That's a modified 4 Runner anyway
@@markllewellyn-jones3479 no its not it's a factory trd pro.
@@TheRedsuper1 at the beginning he says upgraded suspension and shocks...
@@vanderz1012 because it's a TRD kit. sold from the factory. by toyota.
3 wheels on the ground, “Same capability as the Jeep!”
4tunner just made it look so easy. Plus you know it still ran after the test unlike the defender that threw codes and all cameras stopped working
the reality is, out there on the trails you will see Rubicon and 4 Runners in considerable numbers and the reason being is that these two brands have a huge after market support to be modified and make them even more capable off road. But this new Defender it will navigate parking malls predominantly, its a shame..
Did anyone notice that the front differential on the Defender was either locked or electronically controlled on the initial hill climb?
MrPRKahuna. According to the center screen it looks like the rear diff was locked when he started the ascent and both front and rear were locked at the top.
Defender comes standard with a center lock. The rear electronic diff lock is an added option. Both are controlled by the defender traction control system and you cannot manually Lock or Unlock them. I would like to see how a defender fairs without the added rear locker.
The defender.. *Laughs in 4Runner
If you want to go into the Outback, take a Land Rover, but if you want to make it back home afterward, take a Land Cruiser
Anyone else feel like the Jeep and defender were traveling faster on that first hill climb? Not to mention them not using atrac like others have stated.
I HATE HOW NOBODY JUST TURNS ON A-TRAC. USE A-TRAC JESUS!!
Yep. Very odd that they didn't just push the button. No need for the lockers on this stuff. A base model $33k sr5 would be perfectly at home here. Frankly so would a base wrangler. The defender is land cruiser money.... Not 4 runner money.
ATRAC is very effective.
Agreed and they tried to make the 4runner sound like the most complex due to off-road gadgetry, but the defender looks like you need an IT degree to navigate through the computer options for off-road modes. Putting it in auto mode on stage one used a ton more tech than the 4runner and obviously the Jeep
@@subfightersandman even though they didn't know the basics of how to use it(how hard is it to reach up and push the button?), After thinking about this for a little bit,I think there's a sound argument that Toyota could just make ATRAC on the default setting. Why shouldn't it just turn on automatically when you put it in 4wd? I don't think that would be a bad choice for Toyota to make.
@@MrJcjet some situations you don't want it to be on. if you need to carry momentum through certain terrain it can rob you of speed.
Toyota all day long, great aftermarket options, excellent reliability, excellent re-sale, most cargo space, and in my opinion better looking
Most Toyota's look ugly if not outdated. Aftersales Service is 1 of the best though.
No manual, tho. Just a slush box transmission.
I’ll still tow you and your jeep out 👍
I'll always take the 4runner over any other for the sheer fact that it will outlast them by decades.
Through it will probably outlast the others, Toyotas aren’t as reliable as they used to be.
Even the most unreliable Toyota (though I’ve yet to see one) will still outlast the others by far.
@@frodrguez so you like junk. Ok cool
@@frodrguez I’ve never read something dumber
@@frodrguez fine
Bruh...why does the new defender remind me of a panda
It looks cuddly, but when you get close to it, it is BAD!!!
Because it’s as stupid as a panda. Those “bears” don’t even f themselves to save their OWN species when they’re provided food and security from predators 🤷
The Carlos rant! Made my day! 🔥🔥🔥
I knew it was over as soon as they mentioned the Jeep has Ko2s stock.
How do you compare the all the 4hi on the land rover which turns on everything anyway. 4hi with traction or locker automatically. You can see this in the video. So would be the same as 4runner with everything turn on from start.
I have owned a Wrangler and loved it. I own a 4runner now and love it as well. 4runner wins is when it comes to high way and daily street driving. Jeep feels like it's slides going over bumps at 40 miles an hour. I do not wish to travel on the highway in a Jeep, but in my opinion Jeep Wrangler wins for off roading, 4runner comfort and longer lasting.
Great video. Putting the defender in auto means its going to use any of the electronic aids it needs. So how do you know how many it used?
The defender will use its traction control which has multiple modes, so it will probs have used sand mode. If you watch the Jeep and 4 Runner you can see they both also have traction control engaged to some extent although as to what mode the Defender was actually using... we will never know
Give me the 4Runner! My 2012 sr5 is excellent off road. Use A trac please. Stop trying to make Toyota look bad.
Exactly!
Did you change anything on your Sr5?
@@jenniferbeatty7545 no. I was waiting for the new car warranty to run out before changing anything but never got around to it. I’m at 130k miles and am thinking of adding rock rails and trd wheels. I’m also contemplating a new LC heritage but that $89k is steep. 🤑
@@Olph1 Yeah, that is steep. I wanted to get a trd pro but may end up getting sr5 instead and change whatever as I go. Any advice on connecting to 4x4, offroad people?
I need to take a better look at the Sequoia and LC for sure tho too...
Did you guys deflate the tires? I don’t know what the issue was, but I’ve made hills like that first one on 15psi on factory 18s with my diesel Fortuner with only A-TRAC and low range.
Also the steel bumper option on wrangler, the end caps are removable to open up the approach angles. They come off with the hardtop tool that the jeep comes with.
That 4Runner is going to get you there and back for years with no troubles providing you know how to drive off road. The Jeep will too but bring tools with you. The Defender might not even make it to the dirt road. England had cool pubs.....ya know.
Edmunds........you put the Rover in Auto mode and raised the suspension before climbing the hill. Thus, you used the bells and whistles instead of using the minimal. The idea is to test them apples to apples by your own definition.
Wheel lifts from the defender are huge 😂😂 I love it!
A transmission away from being a tremendous success you say? Um buddy the 4Runner already is a tremendous success lol
Are you testing at Hungry Valley in Gorman?
When driving any car, it is 90% skill of driver and 10% tech of car. Looks like Edmunds sent out their B team for this review.
The only reason the Land Rover did as well as it did is because the differentials were locked. He literally used all the electronic help that vehicle has to offer.
Yes, but the average land rover driver will not know how to use any of the offroading components. Its better they have an auto selection. Jeep/toyota guys prefer to select their stuff manually. Honestly, I can do most of what they did in 2wd in my wrangler, I have front and rear lockers, I wouldn't even need 4hi for that hill on 33" tires.
I own a 2016 4Runner Trail, with KDS, and I haven’t had any issues on the Highway, with the five speed trans.
Fair play regarding the need for sliders for the 4Runner. You did seem to forget about the KDSS system on the TRD Pro. It acts like both disconnecting and stiff sway bars at the same time without requiring any electronic controls. Frankly it's bloody brilliant. As for the articulated hill climb, it displayed selectable vs. on all the time traction control more than anything. The Defender went in one go because the off-road traction control is always on. The Jeep beautifully demonstrated the benefits of coil sprung solid axles. The 4Runner forced the driver to select the traction control features required manually. Looks like a personal preference difference more than anything. Then of course comes reliability...
Speaking of kdss the Land Rover Discovery 2 1999 to 2004 had a disconnecting sway bar in low range that would also tighten it up in high range before you even hit the corner when the accelerometer barely felt a change in the body didn't even roll except it was solid axle front and rear with traction control as good as Toyota a track and had a low range manual mode for the automatic so you could be in 1st 2nd 3rd or 4th from a dead stop as a torque reduction for sand or mud or Hills or first gear is too slow and too much Spin and that was over 20 years ago so a lot of stuff people talk about with Toyota already existed yeah the Toyotas are way more reliable The Rovers have their better years and it's certainly not the new ones. This test really should have had a full-size Bronco instead of that piece of crap Defender. Full-size Bronco has long travel IFS in the front, solid in the back front and rear lockers way better Towing and Street handling and Factory 35 compared to a Jeep
Amazing review guys 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽.. need to do a offroad pickup truck review
We have - check out the rest of the channel
@@edmundscars no GMC AT4
Rough trail surface and corrugations, or washboard surfaces is a test I want before buying either vehicle. Maybe an after-market suspension is still in order?
That defender actually has some decent articulation for being independent suspension.
My first Jeep was a 1958 Willys, and I've had seven over the years. I traded my last Rubicon for a Power Wagon. My heart says Wrangler but my head says 4Runner. I'm looking really hard at the Bronco though.
If you're planning to keep the vehicle for less than 5 years, get the Bronco, if not get the 4Runner.
Stay with the heart. I have had at least one Wrangler in my "vehicle repertoire" for over 20 straight years. In 2014 I bought a 4Runner, I had it for a year and traded it in on a different vehicle. I could not get over the engine and tranny. Toyota's horrible infotainment system just added salt to the wound. lol Yes, I too am really looking forward to the Bronco and very interested in buying one. I am not familiar with Fords so I will be watching the first year reviews and reliability.
Wife and I could not wait any longer for the Bronco. So we got the TRD off road 4 runner.
I did a lot of research between wrangler and 4runner. End up with 4runner trd pro quicksand. Love this car. But jeep is cool too
@@itsajoke631 we did the same. Even went as far to rent both vehicles for a week to see what one we wanted to go with
These guys are the worst off roaders ever.
true the jeep and 4runner can do SO MUCH MORE
@@carghai9235 does your Tuk Tuk have diff locks. 😃😃😃😃😃?????
@@stringer-ik1pc No. Tuk tuks don't have diff locks. It's 2wd and has a total of 3 wheels. Although his Thar has diff locks, 4lo and all that...and won't break down like the Jeep.
Oscar Barberena they seemed like total dorks. I figured.
Does Jeep have the best off-road tires that helps reducing the slippery?
ATRAC!!!! Read the manual you amateurs. A high school shop class would have known about this. Madness!!
Great video guys. Loved the different tests. As much as land rover might have missed an opportunity with the new defender its a solid vehicle for sure. Ill still take my RRS over it any day since I'll be able to get anywhere it can go but I understand who the market is for it
Yeah definitely. I was surprised how well it rides and handles. Can't wait until they put a V8 in it. It'll be an absolute beast!
NOTHING beats my 1999 4 Runner even to this day on ANY road or 6 feet of snow and mud. Still drives like new after 20 years and 118k miles. !
Wow you dont drive it much.
So when are you guys gonna build a reliable version of the land rover, used to have to tow one or 2 every week or so when I drove a tow truck
Which is the most dependable over time?
You do know that Toyota's best salesman has always been Land rover right?
Sponsored by JLR, thank goodness they didn't test the 4 cyl Defender. Ha
Great review. Enjoyed it
It took the 4-runner a whistle to get up the hill, you never used the bell.
You could have just used 4Lo and ATrac for the Forerunner from the beginning with momemtum on your side without having to use the rear lockers. You had to switch on the lockers and crawl control because you were stuck on an incline already.
Yeah it wasn't fair because the defender has traction control automatically working there's no button to shut it off like the 4Runner.
@@ronaldrrootiii6040 and the tires of the 4runner didn't help. While yes the defender had even worse tires, we didn't get to see just how bad the tires were on it since the traction control was still on. When making these comparisons they really should do better research and use same type of tires for all vehicles to remove the traction variable. their knowledge of these vehicles and offroading made the drivers seem like a joke.
"keeping it from being a tremendous success" ? on the 4runner? does this guy not know how popular the 4Runner is and how much of it's value it retains in resale??
Defender bought is oke
crawl control is quite impressive!
Me: Am I the only one who knows he isn’t using the 4Runner correctly? *looks at comment section* Everyone else: WHY TF DIDNT YOU USE ATRAC AND WHY DONT YOU KNOW HAVE TO DRIVE THE 4RUNNER? Me: Nevermind then
Yeah, 4Runner for me. I just dig it. And I know it will be reliable.
Carlos didn’t have momentum my friend ! The jeep had momentum and kept it as a steady pace. To me the 4Runner owned that hill! Stopped multiple times in the middle and continued .
What's the reliability levels of defender and wrangler??
that bass sounds amazing.
One thing this test doesn't show: only one of these vehicles will need multiple major repairs prior to 50,000 miles.
Yeah the Jeep is known for being rubbish and unrealible and the Toyota with it's ancient technology. You're absolutely right.
@@gc2234 How drole.
@@jamesbradford8574 also... I'm sure you've already realised this, but anybody looking to buy a premium 4x4 like a Land Rover is not going to be cross shopping it with a budget brand like Toyota or Jeep. So this video is irrelevant.
@@gc2234 Except for the fact that Land Rover doesn't sell 4x4's anymore.
@@marijanspasenovski362 except for the fact that everything they make is a 4x4.
All you needed to do for the first test in the 4Runner was amuse Atrac. It would have gone up that hill without crawl or rear diff lock!
Exactly.
😂😂 all trac doesn’t give it more clearance buddy. The tires were off the ground and stuffed
@@jonathonrodriquez5690 ground clearance is not an issue. We're talking the hill test at 14:20.
20:18 can you explain why in 4H you have the rear and midle locked ?