Can the Ineos Grenadier Dethrone the Toyota 4Runner TRD Pro as the King of Old-School Off-Roaders?
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In episode 3 of our Ineos Grenadier series, Tommy, Roman and Nathan take the Grenadier and a Toyota 4Runner TRD Pro off-road in Moab, Utah!
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Please turn down the music. Look at all the comments.thanks!
Maybe turn the background music off or at least way down. Thanks.
For a while there I thought I was watching a 70s episode of Charlie’s Angels.
The background music is louder than the speach.
Audio editing was off on this one, that is a fact. Makes one wonder who was responsible and who (if anyone)was reviewing the video before being posted.
I don't get the point of the cheezy background track. Not needed.
So it wasn't just me who couldn't hear what the heck they were saying?
Please ask your editors to turn down the music when you are talking
Never going to happen..... It sooths their A.D.D
Even better, how about they stop talking.
@@stephenbarabas6286lol they completely turned the music off on the latest video
Way to much music and way to loud
Agreed
I've never understood why there needs to be any music in most videos.
All 4runner owners of all generations know the rear roll down window is a MUST!
Except all the early models only worked for about 5 mins before they broke 😂
@@PaddyBoy644😂😂😂
@@PaddyBoy644 Bro What??? I've own 3 (1995.5 Ltd, 1996 Ltd w/rear locker & a 2005 V8 Ltd. Never had a problem with my rear window. I currently only own the 1996 Ltd now for about 17yrs and my back window still works.
@@PaddyBoy644 even my 06 "made in America" Sequoia's rear window still work.
@@PaddyBoy644 not true mine 1st gen 1986 worked fine even after 348,000 miles.
Why is the music so bloody loud from like 12:30ish to about 15 minutes? I could barely understand what you guys were saying, and I value that part of your videos.
The music is very annoying!
Then you’re not a true fan. This is classic TFL music
🎯💯😣
Its the cool thing the KZheadrs do.... To much ADD on here
Actually I take it back at like 12:40 it was very loud over the talking
Ha, I was watching the video and thinking the same thing, then went to comment and saw yours at the top.
“Very impressive. Our first ever stock vehicle to not scrape on back scratcher.” *4Runner has entered the chat.*
4runner all day long , I love mine
At about 12:46 and going on way too long. Playing the music track too loudly while useful conversation was going is terrible editing. It got better later though.
Man that 4runner looks sharp!
The 4Runner is a legend on four wheels
Check in with the sound editing team. BGM way too loud.
I own 4runner i love it
Too expensive for this trim. Sr-5 is better value
@@billricheter5678If you can't afford it, just pipe down
Best value 4Runner off-road premium with KDSS.
Agree ! 2021 4Runner is a Tank best Overland vehicle by far
@@billricheter5678 No it isn't. The SR-5 is for cheapskates and penny pinchers.
Everyone has an opinion, so here is mine. The best things about the Grenadier are its locking differentials and the overall ruggedness combined with comfort. Otherwise it may be too long, wide, high, heavy and complex under the hood. I would have sprinkled a little SUZUKI JIMNY on it, making it 186'' long, 72'' wide, 70" high, 112" wheelbase, weight under 5,000lbs, powertrain 4.0 litre n/a inline six cylinder, solid axles front and rear, 8 speed automatic/ 6 speed manual, 3 locking differentials and a bit more original exterior design though I like the front end look and utility.
This is one of the best father son relationships. I have two boys and I pray I get to enjoy my time with them having fun at work. The son has surpassed the dad in knowledge, and the dad is laid back and passed on the torch.
As a third generation tradesman, you said it perfectly, my grandfather (98yo) sits back and just takes it all in, while Dad, handles it all at 70yo and I try and fill the boots and shoes of both which I will never do - but I can certainly try!!
You are so kind
@@TFLoffroadthe dad said the ineos g weighs 7k lbs lol. He’s ready for the golf course.
@@kcw9313 he probably meant to say 6
Everytime I see Roman and Tommy together, I wish that my father and I could work together like these two.
That extra money is good for novelty factor because you're the only one in town with the Grenadier.....but that soccer mom will practically keep up with you, soooo I guess the Runner is the one to buy!
Good comparison of two different vehicles that can accomplish the same tasks. Will be good to see this compared to the new improved 4Runner.
275k on my 2010 4.0L V6. Might have to get another this year. Or the GX460. No turbos for me.
Nathan’s genius shining through at 19:50
Just wanted to point out the BGM volume at the hill descent control segment is overpowering the speech
19:55 the “HA!” Was priceless 😂
I'd take the 4runner. It's 90% the capability at 70% the cost
@@VladPutin88 And customizability too.
I'm impressed with ineos grenadeir.
Digging the driving through Hazard County at a high rate of speed in the General Lee music!😂😂😂
@12:37 the music while you guys are talking.... Distracting. The music is awesome when just showing off-roading with no talking though. That Ineos is awesome. I'd still rather get a used Mercedes G Wagon AMG for the same price only because I know I can get it serviced and it does everything more easily.
I agree, a MERCEDES G WAGON is a Superior alternative to the Grenadier. Tho, the GRENADIER mops the Floor with ALL THE TOYOTA 4RUNNER AND EVEN THE NEW GX550. The Grenadier has a cool factor.
Unless you put the same tires on both vehicles, its not a fair test.
They test these vehicles how they come from the factory. Changing tires would make another variable, not eliminate one. They're comparing the vehicles as a whole. Not just the Drivetrain.
Most car manufacturers do not let them change the tires for test vehicles.
But they own it don’t they always thought it was for the test loaner vehicles that they don’t allow them to swap tires
@@Locutus720exactly. So they can change it in their own truck but not the tester. They’re treating them as they come from the factory
Yes put some Wildpeak tires on the 4Runner like I have on mine.
As the very happy owner of an 09 H3 with front/rear lockers, 4:1 low range, and the rare 5 spd manual transmission, I can say from experience and from direct trail comparisons that a front locker is the cheat code. It goes places it has no business being. I've had it up trails that you usually only find lifted jeeps on and it does surprisingly well.
with regard to the Ineos lockers - they might be like my Eaton lockers that have a pin that actually can't disengage without unloading the diff.
This is my expectation as well. They are old school style lockers that are heavier duty and this makes them harder to engage/disengage.
Eaton is the OEM lockers on the Grenaider
Love my 4runner, but would happily drive the Grenadier. Looks like a lot of fun. Ditto about the music-it’s really not needed-it’s distracting.
I'm a long term Land Cruiser owner and the Grenadier, so far, is shaping up to be even better than my LX's. I'll post again in twenty years for an update.
A track was one of the reasons I bought the 4Runner but I didn't know how good it would be till I used it, it's good
Love 4Runner content!
For the price, you could buy the 4Runner and throw in a front air locker and some sliders, and maybe a Corolla too.
You can’t lock IFS
As in, independent front suspension? You can. I’m putting a front locker on my GX
TRD ORP with KDSS would of performed better on the articulation test.
I hear what your saying, I have a 2016 4runner trail with KDSS and love it. I can't understand why they think that the pro is a be all and end all.when the trail ( Trd off road ) has pretty much the same equipment as the pro does, but still has KDSS. I feel the off road has the best of both worlds on and off the road.
@@johnwebb2232Exactly! I was coming here to say that just after looking at the title! The Pro is only good for fast speed Baja Style off-roading, for overlanding and baby step rock crawling the OR is a better choice than the Pro!
Have the 4Runner. Love the Grenadier old school look and instruments. The B58 engine is great, as is the Toyota engine. It will be interesting to compare the Grenadier to the LandCruiser. Closer in price and retro appeal. We are blessed with all the great options we have
Great comparison. Without regard to single locker vs. dual lockers or even price, an extremely dependable 15 year-old platform that can be repaired anywhere vs. a first-year unique vehicle with probably a tiny dealer/maint network? Middle of nowhere - who ya gonna call? Soon: compare the Grenadier with the 6-gen 4Runner. 😁
Hey Tommy press the diff lock button for a second until it flashes then press again to get the solid red light or RTFM.
I was brought up with RTFB😂
Great series guys I've been waiting for this. Thank you. Bigger tires on the Ineos will help that front approach.
Great to hear!
Agreed, ineos is running 31 and you can put 33 with no lift.
I have a 2023 4Runner TRD PRO with 32' and the original suspension and I didn't have to make any modifications, I think it would be a better comparison!
Turn down the dad gum music!!!@@TFLoffroad
Case needs to be in front of more tests!!
Not unless he has a far away or muffled mic!! His S's kill my ears.
I'd love to see a TRD pro with $24k worth of upgrades. Just to see what you could get for $80k.
I would get a 4x4 SR5 for 45k + 35k worth of upgrades.
Covers rock sliders they bitch about and 19500 left in the pocket too 😂
Great video guys keep it up!
Thanks! Will do!
Wrangler Rubicon seems like a good comparison too.
Nah. Pass.
As an owner of a Wrangler Rubicon 4 door, no. These are “passable” as highway vehicles, mine isn’t
@@GeorgeOrwell-tp8dwmine is perfectly fine on the hwy and I do 60mi one way
Jeeps are rock crawlers that’s about it there not made for daily drivers or, road trips/ Overlanding vehicle’s 4Runners are
@@rickmontelongo4230Ive been driving Jeeps since 1986 and find them to be equally fun off road and at highway speeds…
The B58 that's used in Toyotas is slightly different from this. Toyota did the same reliability tests and sent back the parts that failed and made BMW improve those parts for Toyota. But BMW uses the same engine they started with.
I doubt that is true. It would make no sense for BMW to make two different versions of the same part.
@holdenc3082 Toyota flips the bill on their iteration of the engine, and BMW keeps costs of its own cars lower with the original internals. Otherwise, it'd be a great marketing tool for BMW, given their fame for lack of reliability, to shout about the help from Toyota for reliability.
People gotta quit saying solid axles are better for off road. They are better for slow crawling off road. If you're doing baja style racing or rally-style spirited off roading, independent is gonna give you a lot more traction.
With the difference in price you can add some lift, tires, bumpers and even a winch to the 4Runner.
Great channel! Love the content
Should be compared to the new gx or landcruiser but a 4runner pro can hang with a bronco badlands so for longevity 4runner is your best bet
I have owned two 5th gens and have owned an FJ Cruiser for 13 years. Nothing will dethrone that platform combined with the 4 liter, in my own opinion, of course lol. I am biased because I have had great memories in them since I started driving, 14 years ago, this August lol. Nearly half of my 😊 I did drive the Grenadier on a pretty easy course, because my fiance reserved one, but ultimately canceled. I liked it a lot because it felt something like a more rugged version of the G-Class my dad owned that was the last year model before Mercedes switched them to independent front suspension. I love that! In all honesty, the things I disliked about it were all minor things that are just personal preference things. It is definitely a great rig!
Well said!
Even though I prefer Toyota over Jeep, I’d say Wrangler is an old school of roader and 4runner is a Hilux with a make up on 😂
Dylan Mulvaney with makeup.
Wow! A Toyota that doesn’t pop a front differential the first time it goes off road. Long live the 4Runner.
Awesome and outstanding as always
Thanks again!
pure enjoyment from watching this video. Good times all around
I could watch these comparison videos, all day, every day.
They both are fabulous and capable. I would buy either. But, that Ineos has that second kind of cool in Spades. If I could swing it, absolutely...
The Ineos Grenadier has a kerb weight of 6,000 lbs (depending upon options), while the 4Runner TRD Off Road weighs 4,750 lbs; more than half a ton difference.
Just needed the wrangler along too
When something does break on the trail for the Ineos.... How close is the nearest dealer and parts? Where will you get it serviced. I love the new Ineos. It looks great. I have the 4runner now and I have never had a problem, but if I did, I can get it serviced all over the country. Even many small to medium sized towns have a Toyota dealership. Parts are plentiful. I think I would wait a few years on the Ineos until their support and dealer networks catchup and spread.
At 14:23 Nathan actually got the rear wheels of the 4Runner off the ground. In related news, at 14:27 you can hear an audible snap as Nathan un-puckers. Listen close, it is nearly covered by the sigh.
Excelente video
Difficult decision ... but OMG, I really like that 4RNR TRD PRO
I like both the Grenadir and the old school Toyota Four Runner. It's nice to have options in this off-road segment.
Nice video. Yes bigger tires would definitely help.
It’s great to see this matchup between a car from the 80s vs one from the 90s. The State of the Art!
Ineos does not offer a snorkel on the grenadier. It offers a raised air intake though.
What happened to the Mercedes GL450 videos? Looking forward to see more videos with that one, Thanks
One hand on the wheel, the other clutching a walkie-talkie. Brilliant!
I would love to see a comparison between the Ineos and Tommy’s $30k 2-door Wrangler Willys Sport. The 4Runner is $20k less than the Ineos, but the Wrangler is $20k less than the 4Runner! The Wrangler also has two solid axles, so it has more in common with the Ineos than any other off roader you can buy new.
Lets be serious, the price difference means that I am already halfway to buying my next vehicle when both of these trucks have worn out. Both vehicles are superb, and I would proud to be the owner of either one. Great video.
They are both very capable. Would be interesting with 33" more serious tires on both trucks. 4Runner guy here...3" lift with 285/70/17 Baja Boss AT's. Will be interesting to try ours at Moab this summer.
Ineos is stock and it doesn’t have the larger wheels. I’d like to see what it does with a lift and larger tires . Probably do some crazy stuff. Also as time goes on they’ll fix some of the quirks I’m sure
The INEOS is designed as an overlander, not a rock crawler. Taller, skinnier tires with smaller wheels are much better for overlanding.
@@mikearend997 yes but you can also make them rock crawl as well. Extremely versatile
I love the Grenadier and 4 runner both. However if you’re talking about offroad capability and off roaders, we know most people alter their vehicles. If the comparison is factory vs factory, fair enough. But if we’re talking about potential capabilities, the 4 runner hands down has way more ability currently to be built up to absolutely destroy a Grenadier, and still come in way under that sticker price
"When in doubt, throttle out? AKA Momentum. Works most of the time. Great job. I am surprised the Ineos needed the front and rear locker but I couldn't see the rear tire contact to the ground. What if throttle out were employed. Would it have gotten going without the front locker?
I’d still go 4runner due to cost, reliability, and serviceability. The grenadier looks awesome but unless you have oodles of cash….mehh
That INEOS looks fantastic!!!
I always stop to disengage the lockers. I also use awd and the rear locker in hr.
4Runner for me !
Wish I could join. Can't wait to test my 4Runner TRD Pro with 285/70R17 on stock suspension. I wonder how much tire rub I might get when the vehicle weight in front and tires turned locked as I haven't remove my mud flaps. I also have added weight with full skids & sliders totaling 5000lbs.
British engineering - fearless whenever it works. I’d bet my life on the Toy!
British engineering, meh, that's good enough🤷
🤣🤣 yeah... Toyota... Recalled 900,000 vehicles.... And you obviously missed the unbreakable Brand new Tacoma that broke within 12 feet of "off road"
@@stephenbarabas6286show me how many British 4x4’s have over a million miles on them with the original engine and transmission. Toyotas not perfect but it’s a night and day difference between British vehicles and Toyotas as far as reliability goes. I had the drive shaft fall off my 2002 Land Rover discovery while I was merging into a highway. Plus it had an oil leak the dealership told me they would never be able to fix. My FJ and 4Runner after that never had a single issue.
This is a joke right? British vehicles are some of the most poorly built, unreliable vehicles for the last 60 years. I guarantee the Grenander has 10k in problems, at least, before it even hits 50,000 miles. Just like Land Rovers, just like Jags, just like Astons.
Wouldn't really call it British. The drivetrain is German, the axles are Italian, and it's manufactured in France.
A better comparison would be with a Wrangler or Bronco. The 4Runner is more of a Grand Cherokee competitor.
bronco wouldnt be in the jeep or inieos class either, its ifs. also a 4runner and grand cherokee is no way similar, people dont off road a grand cherokee for a reason
Alot of downtown and hotel parking entrance garages are only six feet six inches high and have tight turns. If you wedged a Grenadier in there, you would have to drop the tires down to 10 psi to get it out!
I'd love to see you guys do some low traction stuff in moab next time you go out....not just hells revenge, but go out and do some of the other famous trails like 3D for example, which has great tests for the vehicles, and in the middle a pretty insane climb on a combination of slickrock and dirt. and yeah, any test like this without a wrangler is....incomplete.
Atrac needs some throttle and spinning wheels to work properly. In sand is superb
I think you need to turn the music up, i could still hear you guys
What you called "wandering" steering on-road is overcorrection. That is what I've experienced with mine. It is driver induced. When you get used to it you'll minimize correction and be fine.
The front steering guard is useless, doesn't it protect a cooler? I watched the snow episode,did it need 3 locked? Is a basically a G wagen as far as wheel travel and diff locks,and how would it compare to a proper Defender with no lift but front and rear diff locks?
Why don’t you test the Grenadier with your 80 series Land Cruiser. They are almost the same platforms. Ladder frame, coil suspension, solid axles inline six. Great videos either way.
Hey guys, does the A-Trac system in the 4Runner remain active on the front axle when using the rear locker.
Yes
Have yet to see any real front axel articulation on the Ineos. Plenty on Jeeps - Ineos🤷🏼♂️??
I drove that trail with my stock VW Touareg. V6 2916. Is not so much sometimes the car but the driver
The 4R TRD OR is a better well rounded experience. More affordable than the Pro. AND can be optioned with the KDSS. (for less money) Regardless, I would take the Pro as exampled here over the IG. Not that the IG is bad for a tractor OR. Because that is where it will shine. But you have to GET to the OR bits for it to shine. Unless you want to trailer it to the OR areas in a luxury tow rig, it just seems to make more sense to get a vehicle that has the manners and comfort of on roader that can do OR when you get there. And IF you wanted to tow something very capable to OR in later, why spend 80+K on the IG when you can spend 15-45K on a SXS that weighs less and is just as capable if not more so. 🤷♂
Love the competitive nature of Nathan
Ineos interior switches r the touch we need
Awesome vid as always for me tho , I'd take the toyo...
At 11:40 why the front wheels on the 4R are not turning? Are you on AWD? then yes, if you are on 4WD low, then I'd expect the 4R to move forward even without the ATRAC because both front wheels are on the ground.
“If you want something that’s brand new, kinda old school in its design and engineering, then ya the Ineos is one of the only options on the road” Umm… the 4Runner that’s the same design and engineering since the previous decade and a half begs to differ with its na V6.
The more I see about the Grenadier the more it feels to me like a discount G-Wagen. It is very well put together (No squeaks nor rattles. Even the sound insulation is great, since you can hear the voice of both of them from inside it very clear with no noise background), it feels solid and built to last. The payload reflects that too: suspension, axles, etc can't be weak. But it has some flaws that would make me not to buy one: - Center console. Just no my thing. I want to be able to see my speed without moving the head and looking to the side is not as comfortable as looking down. - Outside USA you can get the diesel version. Better range and safer to carry. - "The bump" for those that drive on the left lane of the road (a big chunk of potential buyers are RHD). - Manual transmission is not available. Time will tell but I think this can be one of those vehicles that get more recognition as time passes (if the electronics keep working) because it seems mechanicaly very strong.
This obviously goes without saying but the Grenadier is the closest to a new 80 series one can buy. I love how you point out the plusses of the Grenadier in the knowledge that the 80 series had those same plusses 30 years ago...largely apart from two things: 1) the 80 series locks work better. But, and, 2) the power train of the Grenadier is admittedly more potent (tho perhaps more questionable). Maybe over time the Italian axle locks on the Grenadier will capitulate into agreement with your command. That's how it went in 1942 anyway. lol
That would make a great shirt “When in doubt throttle out” Nathan.
Loved the loud music and the great comparison.