Secret Hollywood Rituals, Shane Gillis & Toxic Masculinity - Mark Normand
Mark Normand is a podcaster, actor and a comedian.
Is Hollywood a secret cabal of child-eating sorcerers? It might be. Mark has spent enough time in its orbit to know. And if nothing else he can riff on some good theories for 2 hours with me.
Expect to learn what Mark thinks of the downfall of NYC and Bail reform, why the resurgence of Shane Gillis on SNL might not be the death rattle for woke culture, how Mark remains positive in the middle of negativity, if he's worried about being deplatformed, his thoughts on what is considered offensive in Hollywood, the one word you can never say to an American and much more...
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00:00 Black History Month Vs Women’s History Month
04:17 Finding Mormon Loopholes in Utah
09:40 Google’s Painfully Woke AI Bot
12:09 The Current State of New York
19:11 Is Hollywood Just a Propaganda Machine?
24:40 Shane Gillis’s SNL Appearance
32:11 How to Emotionally Detach From Current Affairs
37:03 Who is Paying on Dates in Today’s Society?
41:06 How Effective is Deplatforming?
55:22 The Irony of Luxury Beliefs
1:02:54 Rise of the Male ‘Baby Girl’ Trend
1:08:00 The Modern American Sports Landscape
1:19:01 Ernest Shackleton’s Job Advert
1:22:16 The Greatest Spurious Correlations
1:29:53 How Sleep Impacts Swearing & Humour
1:42:53 The Underwhelming VR Revolution
1:45:50 Revisiting the Will Smith/Chris Rock Slap
1:51:17 The Worst Addiction
1:57:56 Where to Find Mark
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Hello you savages. Get 20% discount & free shipping on your Lawnmower 5.0 at manscaped.com/modernwisdom (use code MODERNWISDOM) Get $15 off your first order at justmeats.com/MODERNWISDOM15 and use the code MODERNWISDOM15 at checkout. Get a Free Sample Pack of all LMNT Flavours with your first box at www.drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom Here's the timestamps: 00:00 Black History Month Vs Women’s History Month 04:17 Finding Mormon Loopholes in Utah 09:40 Google’s Painfully Woke AI Bot 12:09 The Current State of New York 19:11 Is Hollywood Just a Propaganda Machine? 24:40 Shane Gillis’s SNL Appearance 32:11 How to Emotionally Detach From Current Affairs 37:03 Who is Paying on Dates in Today’s Society? 41:06 How Effective is Deplatforming? 55:22 The Irony of Luxury Beliefs 1:02:54 Rise of the Male ‘Baby Girl’ Trend 1:08:00 The Modern American Sports Landscape 1:19:01 Ernest Shackleton’s Job Advert 1:22:16 The Greatest Spurious Correlations 1:29:53 How Sleep Impacts Swearing & Humour 1:42:53 The Underwhelming VR Revolution 1:45:50 Revisiting the Will Smith/Chris Rock Slap 1:51:17 The Worst Addiction 1:57:56 Where to Find Mark
I agree with a lot of what both of you are saying. I'm also curious what you guys think about what happened to Kathy griffin after her trump head fiasco
Loved it.
housemate? is that like partner?
just say "tell you", "teach you" makes you sound so pompous
@@Stayup4661 you are the opposite of superior. You first generation with equal education? who came up with the things you need education in? think about it
I love when you book comedians. Most of the time their views on social issues are incredibly interesting. Serious conversations with hilarious people are underrated.
No they aren't lol there's a million massive comedian podcasts. They're rated at an all time high
Still underrated, @@setco6536 ;)
@setco6536 and they're *still* underrated or underwatched (by the general population).
@@ADPax10mehhh. I wouldn’t say they’re overrated but underrated? I mean Brendan Schaub and Bryan Callen made a ton of money once upon a time in this comedy boom. That alone tells me comedians are doing pretty dang well. Especially with how many names folks know now. I knew like a handful of comedians before but since Covid they’ve been like Pokémon cards. I know their backstories and all. lol. Had to check myself, so now I just follow the few that I genuinely find interesting/funny.
Mark Normand gets an instant click at my house. My favorite comedian.
He’s a close second to Shane Gillis for me.
Time after time, he doesn't miss, he is like a comedy machine
Mark Normand has a rare gift of being able to say inflammatory things and still come off as being friendly and likeable
It's like he's able to reveal how absurd it is to appauled by what he's saying while he's saying it.
They tricked everyone into believing it was OK to be horrible to one another and now they're demanding you think hard about what you're about to say before saying anything. It's a clever way of getting all of us to treat the most vile with respect. You can now be fired for saying mean things about children predators. Now that's absurd!
Soooo. Are they really inflammatory? Or are people used to being talked to like children lol
He’s fast and funny yet doesn’t go overboard with the jokes - he hits that perfect balance
It’s a superpower, nothing less.
How nice of you to have Kevin Hart on
The non plant based Kevin hart
YESS!!!
You mean young thug *
nah
Jaimie from Joe Rogan is now the standard of producer research reliability 😂😂
Give it a Goog!!
I say that shit now
Pull it up!
And nadav is the standard for a bad one lol
Why is that? I heard he got fired
"The iron dome getting bombed that's my screen saver" how does he come up with these 😂😂
That used to by my windows background but I updated windows and lost it. Can't find another 1080p version of the picture. I was so annoyed I just left it black. I miss my iron dome background.
It’s prophecy Mark 4:20
Originally the scientists that coined toxic masculinity meant men being so competitive as to the point they would kill one another. That’s not happening as much anymore so it’s just a catch all term for inconvenient men.
Well I don't know if you noticed but there's lots of men killing each other in Russia/Ukraine and Israel/Palestine, among other places.
What!?? When did all that happen?
@@annebomba - There is no Palestine.
@@annebombathat’s called war though
@@annebombagood
Breezing by “black Twitter would be Malcolm X” is why this man is in the goat conversation
My two fathers are straight
Damnit, I wish I had thought of that. That's good
I can see that happening if they turned straight after gathering you or that they were two separate fathers and two separate times. You had a father and then disappeared and then got another one and the first then came back.
Is that what they told you? That they’re “roommates?” 😂
No I took it as his father here and his father up there 👆🏽 😂
Please get the Shaman Matt Mccusker on Chris
Inshallah
Praise be the Shaman
The World is not ready for the Singularity
Manhood Canada
Boys, upvote this comment to the heavens.
This channel is brilliant - so glad I found it. Plus, this how I discovered Mark Normand for myself, who probably has the most fantastic comedic delivery I've every seen. Marathoning his comedy at work.
COMEDY!
You should watch his long form Joe Rogan interviews. Really good especially the early ones
"First date" with lauren, everything with Bobby Lee and him, the lex talk was also great , so much more stuff he is an endless joke machine
The comedians are the most insightful/honest
new watcher and also a shane gillis/normand fan and this is a sick crossover i didn't expect
i want to see like a john candy / dan akroid physical comedy skit with the both of them
As a black man the race issue is way over played. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying it’s non existent but it’s definitely not as prevalent as people try and make it seem. I feel like it derives from people at the top(mainly leftist) who have something to gain by keeping blacks and whites divided. If this illusion of the racist white man oppressing the minorities goes away then theres very little reason to continue to vote for the left. Their whole platform is identity politics and division, that’s how they maintain their seats in office at all levels.
I took a screen shot of your comment I liked it that much. There’s a lot of truth in it.
I honestly think it's mostly just young women that love to virtue signal so much they have to spend every waking moment explaining why everybody but them is an evil bigot and they're a perfect angel trying to save the world.
Keep the population fighting with each other and they won't unite against the bs at the top. Classic strategy
Don’t negate all the money that can be made by pushing the identities. We have come a long way from the grifting of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. BLM got over 90 million…how many million went to the DNC? Think of all the money that fuels gender studies, African American studies, now you have DEI administrators, or whole departments….its an industry. And as Thomas Sowell points out….it will never be in their interest to say, things have come a long way, minorities, women, etc are accomplishing xyz, doing well, etc, etc. Think now of the billions trans, lgbt identities brings in. When you start going after a kid painting his face for a sport team, or men sitting with their legs too far apart as toxic male behavior….I would say, you are really running out of things to complain about and fight for. But it will never be in their interest to say we can ease up on the oppression rhetoric. We can take a victory lap and be proud things have gotten so much better. And with the election this year, it will only get worse.
Preach!!
"Hear me out there, legs" 😂
There is no such thing as toxic masculinity but just toxic behaviour. Adding the term masculine to it is to make it sound unique to males. Anyone male or female can be a terrible person just like anyone can be a decent person.
Amen to that
@@nerdmode5210 the rest of your comment just means that there is such a thing as toxic masculinity. There’s also just a thing called toxic femininity. You disprove yourself here. why does proving that every person can be toxic towards their own gender or toward other genders make you feel so defensive as to say that toxic masculinity just doesn’t exist at all?
Like feminism. Totally agree, it's behaviour
No, there’s definitely toxic stuff that comes specifically from male culture. You don’t know much about real life if you think otherwise
@@bionicnichola9251what do you think feminism is?
Thanks guys.That was classic. I laughed, learned and became a slightly better person for the experience. Cheers!
Chris and Mark together is a masterpiece. 👌🏼 I love this combination.
Growing up Mormon I can tell you soaking is more of a trendy thing to talk about than a thing that actually happens. Someone HAS so have done it but it is VERY against mormon doctrines and culture. The culture in Utah can be a bit much so people on the fringes of church membership might rebel in that way though. Polygamy did happen at the beginning of the church essentially until the US government forced them to stop. If it became legalized today Mormons might continue the practice but a lot of the membership is so used to monogamy that it would be a major cultural shift.
They also practiced polygamy for pragmatic reasons and not every male did so. Mormons were systematically hunted for years which killed off a lot of their numbers. Polygamy allowed for quicker repopulation. It also offered protection to widows and orphans. And if that makes some people outraged, I'd also like to remind everyone that polygamy does not automatically imply sexual relations. It is defined as having multiple spouses. In certain situations, such as when widows or orphans needed support, polygamous arrangements might be made primarily for caregiving and support reasons rather than for romantic or sexual purposes. Once it was outlawed, the practice stopped.
@@TheSwauzzAs a practicing and devout atheist, I can confirm most of the people in the Bible (esp the Old Testament) were polygamists. …Abraham, Jacob, etc
@@TheSwauzzJoseph smith sent men on missions to Europe and married their wives.
Yeah but the Mormons that practiced polygamy really had to be talked into it. They came from a mostly strong protestant background. It was a rumor to most of them for a long time because Joseph and a select few who practiced it kept it a secret for a while. I think your comment is right but you make it sound like polygamy was a logical way to repopulate when in reality the only reason it started is because Joseph Smith was commanded by God to start it. Otherwise, no matter how massacred early Mormons were they wouldn't have strayed from monogamy because of their strong Christian/Victorian cultural context. My only other gripe with your comment is that the revelation to begin polygamy explicitly states the purpose is to raise more children. While some were just marriages in Heaven and not on earth, perhaps others were 'on-earth' but non-sexual, but for the most part the purpose was to create children.@@TheSwauzz
In any case, soaking, polygamy, etc., are very much against church doctrine, as enforced. People aren't perfect and in every situation people will try to cross the lines to justify their behavior. There's nothing unique to LDS people about that.
I'd heard of 'soaking' but never the part about someone jumping on the bed next to the soaking couple. That's nuts. 🤣😂🤣
This episode is now One of my favorites. Y’all did great
13:00 hearing them talk about the horrible atrocity of enduring a bus ride from Texas to NYC had me rolling 😂😂. I was picturing a illegal immigrant walking by foot from South America to the US boarder in god knows what conditions and company, and the GreyHound bus ride from Texas to NYC being the worst part lol. Great endorsement for American bus lines hahaha
Churchill said UK and US were two countries separated by the same language. That's compounded by multiple cultural populations in both.
The playwright George Bernard Shaw once noted that Britain and the US are "two nations separated by a common language but I get your point
Not ass much in Winnie’s time. He also said, “If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty, you have no brain”. There are a lot of immature people out there with no brains and you can tell they’re running things, esp in California.
Yall touched on crocks for a minute. Fun fact, there was a movie that came out in 2006 that the costume designer needed to find a shoe that met the criteria of the hypothetical dumbest people possible in the future world would wear and it was crocks. The movie was Idiocracy.
I looked it up. Legit.
I'm not a big follower of Norman but I love him, this is the longest I've seen him stay on topic and discuss things. I was worried he'd be all over the place, nice job helping him stay on track.
1:35:54. Thank you for this. You, sir, are inside my mind. You would swear that people really think that just because of our skin tone. Needless to say, you made my morning bright today. 😂😂 I have to catch my breath.
Mark Norman! One of the best you've had
Everyone is completely ignoring arguably the craziest story with the dude Sheldon that Josh Dubin (got him out of prison early) brought on Rogan’s show got arrested with a literal chopped up body in his freezer
The innocence project fraud. They just get murderers out of jail. Glad they got found out.
I have been waiting for more mainstream people to bring it up, Im a little disappointed Rogan never even addressed it
What where is this story at
@@devinshaw3316what’s he gonna do bruh benefits nobody for him to and I can’t think of a good way he could do that
@@devinshaw3316 the only one I’ve even seen touch the subject was Brett Cooper of all people
The king of podcast guests imo, so funny and the quickest on his feet, can switch from goofy topics to serious topics instantaneously, incredible conversation starter, always brings great energy, the second I see this guy on a pod, no matter who it is, I'm watching! As a standup myself, I love hearing talk the game! Comedy!
Bish list: - Tripping - Suppressed sneezing - Tippy toeing to reach something - Planting both hands on the ground to stand up -
Why did you make a list of your favorite things to do
@@davidjones8043too shay
Moves to Austin TX, a few months later all the ads are grass fed beef now. Welcome to America Chris! You will fit in fine.
The irony with Dr. Roland Fryer is that Claudine Gay was behind the scenes of trying to get him fired. Karma truly is a bitch.
If everything is empowering why is everybody so miserable?
I think of it like a ladder. Equality *should* be asking the person above you to move over, so you can share the same rung. Empowerment is grabbing their ankle, and dropping them to your rung. Nobody improved, but now you feel better they are on your level.
@@GamerM1235 That's what happens when you put crabs in a bucket. They all just try to pull each other down and ensure nobody gets out.
A very enjoyable conversation to listen to.
The reason why some people get away with it and others don't is participation. That is why you never apologize. If you refuse whatever it is they are trying to stick on you, they cannot affect you. But it is very easy to accept the label. The slightest flinch and they know you are participating in it. You have to be confident 100% in what you say and how you feel. You cannot be unsure about statements like that. If you truly believe you will not flinch.
What an awesome interview!!!
These two guys are hitting all topics man!
Love it when comedians voice there own beliefs on politics topics it’s rare but always fun
Omg- thank you for being apart of the logicland community!!!!! And I definitely need to put my phone and the cigarettes down … gosh.
Chris great episode. I helped create that Tesla insurance. I understand why people get uncomfortable about it. Lmk if you want the case for having that type insurance. Keep it up. Big fan!
1:21:43 is exactly why I enlisted into the military I wasnt doing anything with my life and just felt so lost. decided to join for the adventure and experiences. we only live once rather have an adventure than distract my self with comfort and pleasure until I die and regret it
Great episode 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Why the hell would you need a 90 minute battery life on a ball trimmer?😂
Long balls, for the older audience
Only a few minutes in but it’s really cool to listen to mark in a less comedy focused context
Chris, you definitely need to have more comedians on. Your chemistry and personality is great for humor. I laughed so much for two hours. This was one of my favorite episodes! 😄
Christ! This podcast continues to be the absolute best produced I have ever seen. I’d love to know what light set up is used here?
Hearing mark have some deep conversations was great.
Such a fun episode!!
This was a great podcast between these two
that section about craving is kinda like when i have to really pee when im getting closer to home.
That’s known as ‘Key in the Door Syndrome’ or ‘Latchkey Incontinence’. 😮
Great guest and interview.
Excellent discussion. I agree that yes there are narratives, but we’re not supposed to mention them:) So true:)
A grandmother did not have the eggs that made her grandchildren in her. Your mom has them all when she is born. It’s not all eggs all the way down.
Technically she did. One egg begot the next
She did in the sense that they were in the fetus that was in her womb
I love the wisdom that Mark Normand has 💎
I always enjoy your conversations with Mark. Another great one. 😊❤️
Love it!
Love it great duo gentlemen
that Malcom X was a greater zinger
Wouldn't it be funny if there was a reality TV show with a bunch of white looking minorities where the host keeps saying "I know what it looks like but trust me this is a diverse group of people"
1:06:40 Just reminded me of the "things that aren't illegal but should be" list item of "applying chapstick with both hands".
I love this
I asked AI about "uh," "um," and "like and it said, "Language evolves over time in response to various influences." I asked, "If that's true, then why don't YOU use those words?" to which it replied, "The primary goal of these language models is to generate coherent and contextually relevant text". In other words, the real reason why AI doesn't use "uh," "um," and "like" is because people who use those words sound incoherent and contextually irrelevant. That was a fascinating talking point that you guys brought up! My background is as a Child & Family Therapist for At-Risk Youth and I've always had a fascination about why we do what we do, along with the etymology of words and idiomatic expressions. , Thank you, Chris and Mark!
@@freddieoblivion6122 and most AI have a liberal bias
@@in5dtheyre called verbal disfluencies. It happens when people try to talk faster than they can think and are trying to stall for time
@@davidjones8043 technically, they're both. For those curious, verbal disfluencies are a broader category of interruptions or irregularities in speech, including stuttering, repetitions, and corrections. Filler words, often referred to as "filled pauses" or "filled disfluencies, are typically used when a speaker is pausing to gather their thoughts or to signal to listeners that they are not finished speaking but need a moment to formulate their next words.
0:50 Mark Norman is a savant. You could see his brain working out that Malcolm X joke after Chris made the casual "blitter" joke while he was also thinking about Chris' question, and then, even though he could've just continued with the conversation, he was compelled by whatever engine of autistic brilliance that drives him, to quickly drop that quick quip as though he wouldn't have been able to continue if he didn't, which he probably wouldn't have. This man is a mad genius
Who is liable for damages done by self driving cars? If it's anyone other than the company that programmed it then they'll never succeed.
AWESOME! I somehow missed the other 2! I'll catch up on them this week.
Worrrrd!!
Idk what Katt is talking about. This Kevin Hart fella is hilarious
Great assist with my 20klm run here in Australia Timed perfectly Awesome combo
Gotta love Mark, genuine seeming guy and hilarious
26:40 Marks laugh is so funny here. Its like a revenge laugh of, "we gottem!"
Just left Utah after being stuck there for three years. It is the world's biggest petting zoo.
Could you elaborate on that? I'm not sure I understood 😅
Lots of soakers?
34:57 The Opinion Pageant is perfect
ayeee lesssgoooo !
Their views of Mormons and Utah are mind boggling. SMH
Mark's conversational burp at 48:51 that goes completely under the radar... Classic. This is a standard part of two dudes talking...
The boondocks episode mocking Tyler Perry touches on the black dudes putting on a dress for money bit. Pretty amazing
Former Uber driver here, you’re both 1 star, no thank you, riders.
I'm curious on the pint per lap mile? Do you drink while running or after every lap you drink your beer and then start the next
You stand there at the beginning of each lap and drink, then run a lap. Four times.
There is a reason why all of our movies and tv shows are screened by the D.O.D. Why most of our movies follow a similar script or why the military is always shown in a certain light. It’s painfully obvious.
The pentagon has to budget money for entertainment and film.
Ok.... And..... What's the point?
Jon Stewart returning to the Daily Show might be one of the most important cultural events of this decade. It is is immediately apparent to almost any viewer what has been missing for the last decade or so in in satire and political commentary. Not only does he go after both sides, but he goes after the JOKES. He goes where the comedy is. It's supposed to be funny, and that man knows what is funny. It feels so good to laugh at ourselves. It's cathartic. It reminds us that we can weather the storm, and that we all have a lot in common.
are you brain washed? this was sad to read. " he goes where the comedy is" are you sure???
A cultural event? For real? He’s only on 1 night a week. He’s already been exposed as a hypocrite . He’s not nearly as funny as he was. That guy on Fox crushed him in viewers. And Stewart is on multiple channels . Not close to a cultural event of the decade. He can’t even beat fox.
Mark is one of the people of all time.
47:00 is the reason i love mark normand
That burp though lol 41:58
The story behind unwanted emigration into New York and other major cities is interesting. Instead of paying cartels thousand of dollars only have to hike across desert for days. Along with possibly being shot, used as a mule, or trafficked. Pay a few hundred dollars in Mexico City for a plane ticket to Canada skip across a basically open border & be in New York in a few hours. It is rather entertaining that all the cities that signaled their virtue are proving to be rather unreliable.
Yeah that was kinda annoying hearing Mark talk about that. It’s not that Craig abbot is trying to own the libs with immigrants it’s that northerners have been calling Texans racist for years about how we handle our border when it has zero effect on them and a huge effect on us
Love Marc Normand!
One of the best comics ever. A punchline machine, podcast 🐐, etc.
Roland Fryer would be an unbelievably great guest! Along with Thomas Sowell.
I watched just to hear Mark go “Ooooooooh!”
Im 42, im still looking for shackletons advert.
Everyone needs to get over getting mad at any word, period.
i love now mark used like in that one part were he was criticizing the word like lol
42:01 That burp killed me and Chris didn't even acknowledged it😂 What a waste😅
On the data studies. Great topics! Trying to get data depressed is counterproductive.
I see people already doing it. My 20 year old son and his group of friends have gone crazy over old board games. Shit you not,I have seen a dozen+ 20 year olds on a Saturday night drinking, smoking, and playing every game I grew up with in the 80's. It was really cool to see. It's probably not common but I've seen it first hand.
New York is dependent on tourism? WTF
Perhaps "tourism" is the British way of saying WALL STREET?!?
Most huge cities like New York, London and Paris are pretty dependent on tourism. Sure they would still be great places without it but they would be billions and billions and BILLIONS of dollars less well of every year without it. They need that extra money to keep growing if you were to take that money away the cities would decline in lots of different ways and tons of people would lose jobs as well. So while technically they don’t need tourism they wouldn’t be the cities they are without it.
They famously come in planes.
I'm guessing your talking about the city. yes, tourism is huge. Buffalo, not so much
@@Joe45-91 agreed I’m pretty sure he was talking about nyc not buffalo lol
mark normand is real one and truly one of a kind lol 😂
Ngl I think a 4-5h protect our parks with Chris would be banging
Have him replace Ari
Masculinity kicks ass!
Yeah I like that.
Mark Norman is my favorite comedian!!!
This is the best podcast channel on KZhead 🔥