Why Women Have Become Much More Liberal Than Men - Daniel Cox
Daniel Cox is a researcher, pollster and Director of the Survey Center on American Life.
Never before has the divide between left and right mirrored the split between men and women so closely. Women are increasingly leaning to the left, while young men are skewing towards the right. Daniel is the original analyser of this groundbreaking data and has a variety of explanations for exactly what we're seeing in the modern political world.
Expect to learn why there is such an ideological divide between men and women, whether #MeToo had anything to do with this change, what roles abortion & LGTB campaigns play in this, whether conservative men are struggling to find a partner, the implications of the gender political divide on dating and much more...
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00:00 The Ideological Gap Between Young Men & Women
06:52 Why Young Women Have Moved to the Left
14:20 Downsides of the MeToo Movement
19:11 The Decline of Political Socialisation
24:15 Political Factors Affecting Young Women
33:00 Have Men Changed Their Political Leanings?
36:34 Male Support of Feminism & MeToo
45:19 Has Voting Behaviour Actually Changed?
56:44 How This Divide Impacts the Dating World
1:03:46 Young Men Are Checking Out
1:10:21 Declining Trends in Life Satisfaction
1:14:04 Should We Be Pessimistic About the Future?
1:19:47 Where to Find Daniel
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Hello you savages. Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - chriswillx.com/books/ Here's the timestamps: 00:00 The Ideological Gap Between Young Men & Women 06:52 Why Young Women Have Moved to the Left 14:20 Downsides of the MeToo Movement 19:11 The Decline of Political Socialisation 24:15 Political Factors Affecting Young Women 33:00 Have Men Changed Their Political Leanings? 36:34 Male Support of Feminism & MeToo 45:19 Has Voting Behaviour Actually Changed? 56:44 How This Divide Impacts the Dating World 1:03:46 Young Men Are Checking Out 1:10:21 Declining Trends in Life Satisfaction 1:14:04 Should We Be Pessimistic About the Future? 1:19:47 Where to Find Daniel
This whole podcast shows why women used to not vote
Where's tim ferris????
If you haven't already, you should check out Aaron Clarey. He looks at things from a more grounded less abstract view of economics. An example would be in the area of "Young Men Are Checking Out" is actually closer to the male sex drive and women's interest in men being fairly low. One reason could be that because of technology, women don't have to rely on men as they once did, so women don't have to act nice or polite towards men because they can exist and prosper without having a male sponsor of sorts. Food for thought.
Women aren't liberal what they seem to love is the nanny state. They think government is there to behave like everybody's mommy. They seem to want government just to keep getting bigger and bigger and get involved in every aspect of everyone's lives. That ain't liberal.
There is no clear path to success for many young men. They've observed their fathers be obliterated. They are contemplatinv flipping over the monopoly board instead of trying.
The fact that this is portrayed as young men and women having diverging views when men's views haven't changed is a great example of the problem.
Exactly. Women abandoned men. Not the other way around. Yet everyone will "both sides" this issue.
But they do have diverging views. And the guy says that young men’s views haven’t changed much.
Liberal doesn't mean what it use to. Now liberal means big government, lots of laws and regulations, collectivism, socialism, and woke culture. Leftism in general is feminine. Woman replaced human males with the strongest, biggest alpha male proxy, which is government.
@shanesawyer5103 , ... who's doing the diverging tho?
Men have been brought closer back to nature by figures like Andrew Tate. We as men have moved a little. Women moved massively radical.
Women have all the benefits today. DEI, courts, etc. Here are 2 quick exampels: 1) Title IX 2) Women are still considered a "underrepresented" group for university admissions, yet 2x more women graduate college.
All the benefits, none of the responsibility
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 ok when you give up 9 months of your life to give birth...well that should count for something.
@@firegal21Why do you act like women have no autonomy? You mean CHOOSE to give up 9 months of their life?
@@thomasschrader8272it takes two .. this is why they will never agree .. I can see your point but you just tried your best invalidate mine.
@@firegal21 Traditional men, which means most men for the past thousands of years have to work extra to support a woman for those 9 months. It's not one sided. Stop acting like all men are in the top 1% bracket of wealth. hell most men aren't even in the top 10 percent, and your average joe always takes on jobs woman haven't and still won't touch with a 10 mile pole. Y'know, the jobs that actually keep society afloat.
The actual content of this is that young women are moving further and further left and young men are not. How do you get “Young men are becoming more Right-Wing from that?
Chris Williamson panders to gynocentrism.
@@mudblood9699 I see the title has been fixed. I think he tries to be balanced and like many people sometimes errs to far.
@@BflatTenor I'd say he tries to be more or less as balanced as possible while still maintaining and growing a very successful youtube chanel.
The further women move left the more right men become despite not moving
@@mudblood9699you can't be balanced when objective reality doesn't have a middleground some times one perspective is correct the other is not
Easy when it's: work hard and be appreciated vs. work hard and be called evil
But how much of society is calling men evil though? I find there’s a lot of hysteria about this - a few women on tik tok claim x about men and men blow it up to think all women think that.
Exactly 👍
literally no one said that ever
@@henryburton6529Rape culture anyone ?
@@dwwolf4636 I'm not sure that defends the ridiculous statement: "work hard and be appreciated vs. work hard and be called evil"
There is only one reason guys who would normally be liberal, are being conservative... One calls us toxic and evil, the other doesn't. But either way, who cares, neither side actually cares or wants to help you. You need to just help yourself
Facts
I've never met a guy(Uni) who is conservative or liberal. What does that even mean really, I only see women do it towards shit like LGBTQ to be in an in group. I guess ideals wise they'd lean that way but there's not many are either in particular
Bingo
There are many reasons but that is a good one to start with.
We're talking about values, not political parties. People keep conflating the two, and they're vastly different. 99% of politicians just pretend to have values, but are ultimately self-serving. Conservatism is actually about values, the co-optedly name "liberalism" (not much "liberal" about it) only true value is power. They'll play whatever story they need to in order to expand centralized control, and tug at people's heart strings with half-baked ideas that usually can't stand any real level of scrutiny. That's one of the reasons why women lean so far left- emotional arguments and social issues are especially effective on their minds, because those are the things that interest them most.
Also! A women just glassed a guy in England & won't do time. The courts are making this problem worse!
I had to look that term up. I find it funny that you have a term in England for attacking someone with a broken beer bottle.
@earx23 Yes, it means stabbed with a glass.
I like a woman who takes charge😂😂😂
@EnlightenedApproach at least you're honest!🤣
@@earx23glassed is English slang for hitting someone with a glass or a bottle in a fight. People used to say bottled as well, as in "I bottled him" but glassed is more common.
Being an older biological female I am not impressed with women nowadays and tend to sympathize with men.
"biological female" = "woman" in English, I believe.
Do you want a cookie or something?
I believe the proper progressive term is "Bonus hole."
Men don't need your sympathy lol
@@apap4950 Why be a jerk to someone who likely agrees with you? Accept the acknowledgment for what it is. There's nothing to gain from being rude to people when it's not called for.
Did you know that women make around 80% of consumer decisions? That's a significant influence on our economy and culture considering we live in a post-WWII consumerist society, spanning several decades now. On average, they lean towards being risk-averse, less aggressive, and less stoic. They often prioritize safety and well-being, making them much more inclined to follow rules compared to men. This preference aligns with their support for more government involvement. Obviously, governments and corporations generally favor a populace that is compliant and less resistant, so in their post-modern world men make terrible subjects.
Which is why in a perfect world for the elites, propping women up as an administrative class, a societal HR department, would be the ultimate form of control for them. Its basically and oligarchy using layers of societal engineering to control populations and maintain power.
You cant make much money from content, well-adjusted men
Underrated comment and 100% spot on. It's very easy for men to be content, and often it's only our hobbies that drive us to spend large sum of money. It's mostly women who have to keep up with the latest things.
That is because it’s usually women who buy for the whole household, think groceries etc.
@@pattibase2293 Yes of course, men never buy groceries. We only like beer and cigarettes
Men are also against feminism because gender quotas in the job market are something which feminists are heavily advocating for. Its not just that mens problems are forgotten by feminists its also that they are trying to actively implement new problems.
Feminists were initially advocating for “equality” but when they started holding positions of power (like HR) they started discriminating heavily against men, especially white men. Asians too
Appriopriate -> gain control -> subvert -> oppress. The MO of an invasive entitity (virus)
You have to get it right, they are advocating it for professions jobs and management. Don't see them advocating to be garbage pickers, line workers or welders...
Feminism is a corporate lie to pay half the wages for double the work force.
Who is advocating for gender quotas, right now? That's something I've not encountered since the big feminism push in the 2010s. I'm sure there's a few crazy activists out there! But it doesn't seem like there's that many of them.
Seems like a misleading title, seconds in the guest said that men have stayed relatively the same, with women moving more left……
It seems society has gone so far left that those of us who were left leaning or those in the middle politically, appear to be on the right as a result of such a seismic shift towards progressivism
@toddd6563 Yes, it is click baity, but it worked, we clicked on video :)
@@MightyQuinnjit’s only gone progressive in divisive social issues. On economics we are dominated by neo-liberal economics. The uni-party is owned by oligarchic donors.
@@juriscervenaks8953yeah just imagine folks in 2024 still being annoyed by click bait 😂😂
The title literally says “why have women become much more liberal than men?” Which is just a different way of saying the exact same thing you posted in your comment. Synonymous much?
as a young conservative woman the situation for me is also quite frustrating. zero female friends in real life who share my political views, I also lost a lot of (male and female) friends because of it.
Lol
Once they're away from the ideological programming of schools (95% of k-6 teachers are female), then it'll change some. As they see the government conspire etc (the vaccine data is looking worse and worse)...
I don't often discuss "political views" with my friends. So even if we disagree on our "political views" it has no bearing on our relationship. You MIGHT just not be a good friend?
@@FutureCommentary1 I still have friends who accept my political views. BUT there were situations where I was forced to state my opinion on certain matters I didn’t even want to discuss and then I was judged and dismissed. Also, apart from that, what a good friend is and what not is subjective. If someone thinks a good friendship consists of discussing politics that’s okay.
Well, it depends how conservative you are. Are you saying women should be unable to divorce even when abused? Are you saying women shouldn't work? Shouldn't vote? How extreme is it? Because it's understandable why many women (and men) would object to that. You can have your opinions, but it doesn't mean people are obliged to be your friend.s
I'm tired of the "rational opposition" feeding into the misuse of buzzwords. Fucking hell the issue is the rarity of liberalism outside of a half asses facade for "compassionate" authoritarianism. They aren't liberals. Being a liberal requires that your political/philosophical ideology places liberty as a fundamental right.
Yeah I agree with you I’m a leftist and I really hate being called liberal it’s honestly a misrepresentation
Yeah liberalism has been hijacked by Marxists and Fascists. I'm a classic Liberal but I can't really use that description anymore so people assume I'm right wing
Certainly progressives are terrible when it comes to abusing buzzwords, like that! Thankfully, they're not as prevalent in the real world as they are online. Moderate Left learning people are often exactly that. Moderate. And more liberal, in the sense that you are talking about. You can see it in the fact that most Democrats who successfully get elected to Congress are NOT of the AoC variety.
@@ashirraza2141 thank you for being honest
Those are the old liberals. The new liberals are Marxists and many or most of them are quite at ease with authoritarian repression as a tool. Marxists of whatever school really are very liberal on most things, but they are not liberal towards dissent from their ideology or agenda. Their ideology is authoritarian liberalism.
I've had a couple woman not want to date because of my political leanings. I'm not even conservative I'm 'old school liberal' but woman have become so left that anything that doesn't align is perceived as not being compatible. Part of it isn't even that people have grown apart politically it's how much weight people seem to be giving it. It wasn't uncommon years ago for the dad to be conservative and the mother to be more liberal. Good luck trying to make that happen now.
Who’d want to date them?
In the past the mom was conservative and the dad was liberal. The only time this would flip was when it came to feminism. I know people forget this, but historically women have been way more conservative than men. It was the wives who advocated for gender roles, forced the family to go to church, etc.
@@ernimuja6991 In my family the men were far more open minded. My Grandfather was in the Royal Navy and sailed all over the world, he had been to all 6 continents except Antarctica. He used to tell me stories of when he went to Alexandria in Egypt and saw the Pyramids. Stories of sailing to Philadelphia in the US and Bombay in India. My Grandmother was the opposite. She was from England and had never even been to Scotland or Wales. She was extremely racist and even hated other British Isles people like the Irish. (Even dumber considering my Grandfather surname Harper). In my family the women were much more Conservative and closed minded.
@@salkoharper2908I knew an older couple with that dynamic. He really loved her and kind of balanced her negativity out. Your grandpa is an absolute legend
Women love the left because the left is against accountability and is about "taking care of" people. Women are shedding men and replacing them with government.
If you’re a self-respecting guy, and are serious about getting married and wanting to start a family. Than under no circumstances can your wifey spouse be liberal, progressive, feminist, left-leaning, Democrat in any way. If she is any of those things, may it be an automatic deal-breaker. Remember that fellas…
it is hard enough dealing with women who are right leaning or claim to be traditional as it is (most often they aren't) I have noticed in the US the tradcons are fake
Indeed.
Steven Crowder
@@mateivacariu1171 Is an abuser. Glad is wife is free, despite him wanting to trap her.
Does the profesor in this episode not literally argue that this dating self selection is probably leading to more problems.
For one thing young girls and woman are heavily indoctrinated from a young age. I have both sons and daughters and the tv shows targeted toward girls are full feminist and gender propaganda. The shows my boys watch are pretty much just typical shows. Another thing is the friends. My daughter’s friends are much more aware of culture wars and pretty much all of them are pressured by their parents, teachers, online to be little feminists soldiers. My son’s and their friends kinda just make fun of how absurd it all is. We have a lot of open conversations and debates and it definitely helps. But I feel for the young conservative girls out there because it’s like walking a tightrope.
What are the shows that young girls typically watch compared to young boys? I'm an older zoomer who hasn't been a kid for ages so enlighten me because I'm out of the loop.
Your perspective is very valuable as one of a parent. I'm a millenial woman and throughout my late teens and early adulthood I've felt pressured to go along with whatever the progressives newest agenda is or else.... All, everything becomes undone, that if you don't accept late wave feminism, say goodbye to your right to vote, divorce and manage own finances. It's blackmail.
@@Noelciaaa The funny part is that feminism has been given way to much credit for advancements in women's rights, for instance look at Teddy Roosevelt, he supported women's suffrage and didn't have a single feminist bone in his body, even in the UK where militant feminism is popular credited for women's rights there were conservative politicians like Churchill as a young MP (and the Prime Minister of the early 1900s, Robert Gascoyne Cecil) who were supportive of women's suffrage nearly 20 years before it was passed, but all the credit was given to the vandals/terrorists lead by Emmeline Pankhurst. Here in Australia the earliest version of our constitution allowed women to vote, and that document was written by "far right" men and had popular male support.
Young conservative girls will get by. Your boys will be most harmed by this. They'll try to adapt, but won't understand how to do so effectively. Nor will they be able to discuss it.
@@Noelciaaa Appreciate what feminism provided you with.
You mention how you did an episode with Freya India where you have men calling you out for having an episode focused on young women when you have like 40 episodes addressing the issues facing young men. More often than not the episodes addressing men falling behind often feel hollow because the people you are talking to still pay lip service to the existence of the patriarchy and deny the sheer level of discrimination boys and young men face. The Scott Galloway episode and this episode with Daniel Cox both fall into this where the discrimination is just a coincidence and not intentional. For example, in this episode Daniel Cox mentions that on the Democrats webpage they will have a list of 16 different groups ranging from location, sexuality, and ethnicities as well as a group for women, but no group for men. It is frustrating to see people point out many areas where men are actively and being discriminated against, but then perform mental gymnastics to deny the obvious fact that it is intentional, because they have grown up with the fundamental axiom "society is sexist against women." Therefore many of the male focused episodes ring hollow because the people you have on deny the lived experience of many young men since they were in kindergarten, all while the statistics just prove the young men's point.
Part of that is complying with KZhead policies.
If only 2 out of 40 episodes I've produced on men's problems have issues in, I'll take that as a win. I've lost guests, advertisers and relationships because I've been branded a misogynist after taking a pro-male stance. Anyone who doesn't believe that I'm trying to support men doesn't understand me or this channel. I genuinely appreciate your input, more conversations on this topic to come
I can see both sides here. As long as we're moving into the right direction, I can stomach the mental gymnastics and painful ideology. Boys will grow up and raise boys of their own. Things will change sooner or later.
@ChrisWillx I do think you do a great job of bringing up men's issues while also having diverse viewpoints, and I've notice you do call out BS statement more often than not. Keep up the great work!
@@user-ek8vg5fn8r. You guys seem to just want a channel that tells you what you want to hear though. Chris is trying to stay away from audience capture and he does a very good job at it . From what I see the last thing many guys need are more voices telling them that they are victims and being discriminated against .. there are too many voices like that already and it’s definitely not helping men
All this has taught me is stuff I already knew: Women want all the goodies and no responsibility. They want to be independent and glorified but also victims...
There’s a name for that: Schrödinger’s Feminist
@@earx23he says in his echo chamber lol
Both men and women were shifted by MeToo. Women believed every story and men saw that about half were false. So both sides moved away from each other
By half you mean
@@amydrew2907 No, half.
@@whitemason And your source is "trust me, bro?"
I like @Trizzer89 's formulation. Half is more than enough to mandate extreme caution. Even a quarter is enough. The consequences of the complaint being declared unproven are already huge, let alone a "false positive". @whitemason - never take an unsupported lowball seriously. Try something like "Fake statistics don't disprove reasonable heuristics". BTW :There's probably something much better than that - I just made it up on the spot. But forcing someone "lost in the fog of delusion" to look up a dictionary is always a win :)
How Did men 'see' half were false if they weren't there? Meanwhile, almost every woman has been harassed, many have been assaulted and for too many, their first experience was before puberty
As a man who has checked out videogames are not the problem. They're the coping mechanism. The problem is lack of hope, lack of promise. Society has redefined what success is, has changed it to be something that is unachievable to those that follow the rules.
The opposite of caring is apathy. There's no saving the world. Diving into video games is just to spend some time while prepping for the collapse while hogging as much resources and property as possible while doing it. Women will come back on their four legs bawwing when that time comes. Because they don't know to to live frugally like a squirrel preparing for the harsh winter.
Promise of what?
@@lucys.4695 stability, progress, success, happiness, etc. there is no promise that society won't just come crashing down around our ears.
55 percent of women say joe rogan is a red flag. They couldn't have downplayed this any more.
While they idolize women like Alex Cooper. Big Time Leftist who just married a Multi-Millionaire Hollywood and Big Tech Financial Tycoon........talk about DOUBLE THINK.
Rogan himself lost his mind about 4 years ago and mostly supports far right stuff, like he thinks the election was rigged and that the vaccine is evil lol
The thing about Joe Rogan is he's a talk show host. He will talk about anything and everything. Nothing is cancelled or shut down on his podcasts. Left or right, everyone gets to say their piece. I have noticed that it is almost entirely women who don't like that. I have always been confused why, because Joe always states that he does not agree with everything being said, it's just a forum to talk in public. So many woman i've said this too don't seem to grasp that. They only want 1 line of thought. 1 line of talk. 1 dominant opinion. (Their opinion). They can not have debates or discussions about things they don't 'agree' with. They follow the leader. Like a herd. Obviously their are females who are not like this, but the majority are.
Where are you getting that number ? Lol I like Joe Rogan, he's not one sided. Listening to like Andrew Tate or sneako, would be more of a red flag.
@angierodriguez7776 it was in one of the polls they mentioned along with a bunch of other crazy stuff like that
Liberal ideology is rooted in emotion and therefore greatly appeals to the female demographic.
Instead of focusing on the problems with men, which are mostly driven by demographics and structural issues, why dont we investigate the unrealistic expectations of women, and the unfair advantage and bias they have in education?
The only bias towards women in education is that women actually pay attention and do the course work.
@@BunScholarand personally I believe because most of us don't have physical strength we know we have to have mental strength. Personally my daddy didn't feed me I had to go make my own money to feed myself.
@@BunScholar Perhaps then, there is selectively poor attention the scientific evidence that women mature 2 years ahead while eventual IQ on average is the same as men?
@@BunScholarwomen are encouraged, men are discouraged, by attacking their identity and sexuality, this is oppression of men by women, which shows up in education
People vote for their own self interests. Women in relationships vote more conservative so they can extract more wealth from men who aren't taxed as hard. Single woman vote more liberal so they can extract more wealth from government welfare programs. So as the number of single women increase so does the political divide between men and women.
Women vote liberal to maintain their rights
@@wyleecoyotee4252, most of what liberals call "rights" aren't.
@@wyleecoyotee4252oh please...no one is coming for your rights
@jayc342009 The Republicans are and have already started, along with all the men who don't want women to have voting rights, right to work etc
@jayc342009 speak for yourself. We should've never conceded an inch to feminism. They don't deserve the duty to vote because they squander it like a popularity contest
The guest touched on Zero Tolerance, but the problem with it is two-fold. The first being that since you tolerate nothing, there's no room for nuance of points of view. Nothing can be an accident or unintentional. It gets automatically treated as intentional and malicious. And the second being that there becomes only one punishment. Stood slightly too close and made her feel uncomfortable? Same punishment as if you'd drug her into a dark alley and forced yourself on her. Zero tolerance is always the worst way to solve a problem.
The irony. People who demand tolerance for their political allies preach zero tolerance for everyone who is not their political ally.
*dragged
because they are rewarded for it and men are punished for it. Humans are not deep and complex animals. They do what gives them pleasure and avoid that which brings them pain.
Institutions need two working adults to keep their profit margins and tax basis afloat. People who are married aren’t as profitable as single boss babes buying their red bottoms and vacations to Tulum. The Conservative Parties around the globe are the only groups fighting for families and (at least extrinsically) moral values, as well as economic freedom, so that’s what we support.
I like this guy overall, but he is simply wrong about Cancel Culture. It has been a big deal and administrations of universities are to blame. He needs to read Ricky Schlot’s and Greg Lucienoff’s book Cancel Culture. Indisputable
Yeah, this guy has some blind spots...
@@rfphill Don’t we all?
@@shanesawyer5103 yeah, true that. I indeed do.
@@rfphill Me too.
Reading books is all well and good. But don't forget about your own lived experience. Books are written to be sold, and negativity sells. There are indeed big chunks of the population who don't experience Cancel Culture at all. It's an urban youth thing.
This is what happens when both parents work and you let the public school system and daycares raise their kids, and then add on that social media by giving these kids devices they are not mature enough to handle yet. That is what has been changing, and this is the reaping season. Strangers and the internet are raising the kids these days. Sorry, this may sound old fashioned, but kids were a lot less messed up when dad worked, and mom stayed at home.
They were equally messed up because mom was a day drinker on benzodiazepines because she couldn't cope.
@@wyleecoyotee4252that is such an exaggeration. There is zero evidence of this. Plenty of evidence that two working parents and kids raised by the system has not been good for kids.
The main issue here is that because women have gone left, and left is anti-natal, you end up with a civilization that stops procreating. That's a societal death sentence. The earth belongs to those who have the most kids within the most stable society.
The left isn't anti natal. We just don't believe in pushing people into having kids like the right does. You people never consider a child's quality of life until they rob you just to survive.
Wait I thought god owned the earth?
Japan and South Korea are very conservative countries and have stopped having kids as well. In South Korea, fertility is now at 1.1 per woman. I think it's more economics, that having kids is "too expensive", or in other words you can't have 6 kids and have a middle upper class lifestyle that conforms with societal norms. Some people are strong enough to go against the grain, but even then they may have 4 kids instead of in the 1950s when they may have 8 (my Dad's neighbors on each side had 8 and 10 kids). The world at large still has a 2.3 fertility rate so it's not a human race problem luckily.
@@visby2548 They are not conservative, they are very left, very anti-natal cultures. If they were conservative they would support traditional married and raising families yet they promote everything else. Korea even has public places that ban children outright.
@@visby2548I agree that declining birth rates have more to do with economics than the politics of a society. Sexuality exists regardless of the political divide between the sexes, and the main effect of that dichotomy on reproduction is going to be that women change who they are selecting who to reproduce with. This is just my interpretation, I actually have no clue what I’m talking about fyi
Better Bachelor channel video yesterday, "The world hinges on strong men. The elites finally admit we're in deep trouble" About Professor Scott Galloway.
Because they are more susceptible to social pressures and have an innate caretaker/sympathetic bent. This “sympathy” has gone so far and unchecked that it has become a suicidal impulse for the whole of society.
People like fink, musk, bezos buying up houses so we have e to pay high rent and suppressing wages while doing unnecessary layoffs to create the Hunger Games and raise stock prices has nothing to do with fe minism though. I think it’s just easier to blame without addressing the bigger real issue
One hundred percent. I’m glad to hear common sense being spoken so bluntly I’m here for it!
So the more feminism advances, the greater the perceived unhappiness of women. Sounds about right
That's not correct
@@wyleecoyotee4252 The majority of single women are on the left
That's what the media wants you to believe, which is why they worded all of their headlines that way. In actuality when you look at the graphs, the arrow for young men has slightly turned back towards center while the arrow for young women has shot straight up into left field.
Apparently we're supposed to fear people moving toward the center and celebrate those moving further and further left.
Thank you! Men are going back to the traditional roots when society has more stability. It's the women who are radicalized.
@@McP1mpin Men aren't moving to the center. Gen Z is largely more politically apathetic. Which should surprise no one because political engagement tends to increase as one approaches middle age, regardless of generation. This video is working from a false antecedent.
Weirdly sexist in a way. It's like saying men are the only one's who's choices matter. And the locust of control is put exclusively on men.
The center has shifted left. Men haven't really changed.
Video games aren’t the issue. Ai isn’t the issue. The economics is the issue. Lots of inflation and increased costs. People can afford anything. Women don’t want men who are poor and are having financial issues. Why is this a focus at all? Playing a video game never caused me issues in dating. Financial and Jobs issues were way more impactful.
This guy is blaming video games for men checking out of society? Yeah, ok pal.
Where the incentives for men as a whole in irl not much many today. Video games are the symptom not the root cause of the problem god thats why i dont like chris he pretend its easy to get where he was today but todays young men are lost due to the decision of the past giving half of the population the rights without responsibility and accountability for the service of the nation state and society are more empathy torwards the other sex. Do you really want to play that game?
Video games are a waste of your life. You should give them up.
Agree. It's annoying that apparently serious people (even Chris Williamson, who doesn't make many mistakes) fall for the "reverse" Apex Fallacy (I think we should allow "Nadir Fallacy"). About 5% of people will get addicted to *anything* pleasant (obviously there must be a big overlap, since there' are a lot of "fun" things to do). But addictive personalities aren't representative, and treating e.g. every gamer as intrinsically anti-social and economically worthless is obviously wrong - to the point of stupidity. e.g. if they all stop working the IT world will (slowly) fall apart :)
@@HowlingFantods Video games should be consumed in moderation. Just like a large number of other things. I saw (in another of CW's videos) an interviewee guess CW is (or has been) a gamer, with the (approximate) comment that it's true for almost every healthy male under 40 (ish) in countries where PC's and/or consoles can be found in almost every household. I'd expect the combination "IT guy, but never a gamer" to be very rare :)
@@Locksden Yeah. I dont think they should be consumed at all but this is coming from a now 30 year old who throughout my youth played plenty of video games. I wasted countless hours on them and was definitely addicted. In retrospect I have realized that they were too fun, too engaging, and resulted in me wasting a bunch of time with literally nothing to show for it. I think thats a fairly common experience for young men and unfortunately, lots of men never grow out of that stage. I made a conscious decision to only pursue hobbies which dont do that (tennis, chess, reading, lifting weights, running). I realized this after reading this book, Infinite Jest. Part of the plot involved a film which was so good, so entertaining, that people who were exposed to it would watch it over and over again until they would die. This almost resembles some mens relationship to video games. They are so good, so fun, that they would forgo the real life that is occurring around them to escape into this world.
Men in general, by and large, have not moved politically to the right ...... its rather than women have moved so far to the left, that its "perceived" that men are now far right ..... does that makes sense ? That's the clearest and simplest way I can explain the issue .....
Both can be true.
The influence of the bias of the schools isn't always super overt (sometimes it is), but it's still a major contributor. If all your teachers and your school code of conduct and all of that are firmly leftist, then in the first week of school when new students are meeting other students and the 'cool ideas' and trends are being set, which ideas do you think are being shared more openly and which ones are being withheld over fear of pushback from other students or the school itself? Women seem to be more likely to go along with what the in-group is saying amongst their peers, as well as being less likely to question authority. So if leftist ideals are the only ones being comfortably shared by their peers, and those same ideals are reinforced by their teachers and school rules, then I think that's why there are so many girls that become leftists despite being raised by conservatives.
@IAMTHEJUGGERNATE Good point, conservative parents should pick schools more carefully for their children.
Being a non-liberal female in today's world is wild. It was unpopular in HS & somehow even more unpopular now. 😞 We venture further & further away from conservative principles, however, the breakdown in society is still somehow blamed on conservatives. It's mind boggling. The unhappy, perpetually offended individuals are casting a long miserable shadow on everyone. There was never a better time to be a woman for most of the developed world. It would be nice if we could focus more on gratitude & the good.
When it comes to social media men disproportionately use long form platforms like yt and women disproportionately use short form platforms like tiktok and instagram.
That's interesting, I didn't know...
The reason people are having knee jerk reactions instead of empathizing with the "other side" is because for the last two decades people have been playing the victim card to get special treatment and special treatment always comes at the expense of other. Sometimes it is called for, but it very much like soccer where people are knee jerk skeptical of someone getting hurt because there are so many fake cases. Don't hate the player hate the game.
How have men ever played victims
Why does the blame always come down to video games? Shouldn't that mean something significant that men would rather play video games than engage in the world, or build a future, or have anything to do with anyone? Wouldn't it also mean women are the ones taking control of absolutely everything? Wouldn't it also mean that there might be something wrong with women if men want nothing to do with them? What about questions regarding the way the government has skewed all laws towards overly protecting women from everything including responsibility? Until anyone asks these questions men will continue to reject overall society.
So interesting. I see this reflected in my own children. My super woke daughter full of shame about being a white middle class straight girl masquerades as queer, while my son - who is very likely gay- is anti-woke and has gone super conservative.
How did you conclude that he is most likely gay? And does his dad agree with your observation? Just curious.
Why did you allow your daughter to become super woke? Or did she become super woke as an adult?
Its more stigmatizing to be a republican girl than a republican boy and youth culture is mostly liberal. I imagine young women change political beliefs to fit in with their demographic either intentionally or simply being influenced over time by their peer groups. Another theory i heard recently, was that their is no status in being a boring , straight girl, ..especially a white straight girl .... so if you've got a higher status group in which the barrier of entry is low and dependant on self- identification why not join that group and be a part of the "in" group? that would be the LGBTQ community. Social acceptance is very important for young people, and girls seem to be impacted more by their social groups a bit more than boys. I would imagine these are some of the factors why girls are more libreal in general, even if they grew up in republican household.
I don’t like how many discussions nowadays refer to gender and racial groups in their entirety to claim that the behavior of a subset of the group is indicative of the group as a whole. It discounts so many things when we over generalize
While your point is true and I agree, trends can be studied and are topics of discussion. If 99 out of 100 people from a specific demographic believe a certain way, there's always going to be that 1 person who doesn't like the label.
@@isaachenry5692 Oh no I’m with you. But we should still be carful not to let trends give us too much automatic bias. We should seek to understand the world, but also not get our heads too deep in the data and develop prejudices accordingly (I catch myself doing that a fair amount admittedly)
And yet is a classic female approach, support the underdog.
In general generalizations are correct, and needed to be able to understand a world of infinite complexity.
In 2016 I considered myself very much liberal and ever since Covid am viewing myself more and more conservative as time goes on to the point of a complete 180. I am a woman but not a “young” woman at 36
Interesting. A total 180? What changed your mind?
And people actually get paid to spend years answering these questions? Walk in the shoes of your average man on the street for a few days and you'll have the answer.
I ran for office in Hawaii in 2014. I asked the room of women what the most important voting issue was. Every single one said “abortion and gay marriage . “ This means they have no idea about economics , American history or rule of law. They are not informed voters . Nor do they care about anyone else but themselves . It was quite an eye opener for me .
As far as I am concerned ( 50yrs old ex-military ) and from what I can gather from my entire cohort of male mates, relatives and associates.....men haven't shifted noticeably to the right, but have always had a more based, realistic and practical outlook on life and most subjects. I believe my views on important subjects are not that different than my late father and his generation. It is far more pronounced in the way males and females are held to account ( if at all ) for their actions and mistakes, women are very rarely treated like men and have several layers of safety nets to protect them that men don't have. Women are treated differently in the legal system, have " equality " initiatives in employment that basically means preferential treatment, fast track support such as in emergency housing, divorce being a career move where they rarely lose out etc When you have so many backup safety nets, you have the opportunity to explore concepts and ideas that are not based in evidential fact or common sense.....hence the massive support in certain demographics of females to invite millions of male immigrants from cultures that detest woman, huge support for socialism and idealistic societies that have never functioned, constant pushing for equality in jobs that simply do not work ( women in the combat arms of the military ) you are insulated from these bad choices ( or so you think ) If a man fails or falls in anyway, apart from his mates, he is effectively cut loose and left to deal with it. Hence men are the massively dominant group in being homeless, suicides, bankruptcy....or post marriage as we call it........when you are on your own, you tend to be more practical and based.
About the that college professors remark @27:00, this is true if we’re talking about traditional liberal arts and science professors, but a lot of colleges include non traditional subjects and activist teachers that promote radical ideologies and require little effort to pass their classes. That was my experience 30 YEARS AGO. I can only imagine how worse it’s gotten then.
"why is it framed as an issue?" is the real question
It's an issue because diametrically opposed societies breakdown.
@@jfkst1 The point of the question is to ask why does it matter that men are politically more to the right instead of left. Diametrically opposed societies break down. Yes, that is true. But why then is women being more political left then right not framed as being an issue?
The regime fears young masculine men who think for themselves and act in their own best interests.
@@Tiasung Because the globalist agenda wants to remove any opposition and men, and women with families, are more likely to be opposition
Because if almost all the men are becoming more conservative, while almost all the women are becoming more liberal, society is going to have a very difficult time.
"I am not one of those folks who believes that the higher ed(ucation) has a huge impact on the political trajectory of young people." Dude. Really? Are you serious? That's insane.
Because they form conclusions Emotionally and the Media Manipulates them.
I have a hypothesis that because women inherently have the maternal drive, but modern women aren’t giving birth, their maternal instincts are being offloaded onto minorities, social justice, etc. They’re trying to mother grown people who they see as needy because the drive to tend and nurture is so strong it simply must get out somehow
Very much so. With women nurturing is a type of narcissism with a boundary that envelops the offspring. Now the narcissism just wraps around the woman over and over until it’s impenetrable.
Lots of women dont have a maternal drive. Just because you are able doesen’t mean you want to.
@@ankra12 As an old guy I just wonder what has happened to everybody's hormones. It was all simple in the sixties, people knew what they wanted.
Great hypothesis. Also when women have children, they are typically have the task of dividing resources among them so that all of her children can thrive and succeed. The natural empathy and compassion of women is present for the collective success of the next generation.
@@andrewblake2254 perhaps because they really dident have much choice. The same as its been through centuries.
Old white guy here, and listening to you two walking on eggshells trying to avoid any possibility of being perceived as remotely making some remark that could be taken out of context and flagged as sexist or racist or unsympathetic towards any one group at all. Reminds me of life with my ex, if you substitute “group” in the above sentence to “her”.
Im a delivery driver. Many people are stepping out while the partner is not home. Its WILD! 😂
Have you been hooking up with your customers?
@@maxvoloshin_nefariousaquarius personally no. Some of my coworkers sleep with a lot of the customers and then switch routes and start fresh. It's wild out here!
My dad did that while he was married with two small children in the 60s. Traveling salesman have had double lives for long time.
@mattsmith259 ou! That's clever.
Not right but clever
I've been fired for flirting. Sooooo yeah.
It’s worth it though. Jobs are temporary and don’t care about you at the end of the day. You can always find another way to make money. I met my wife at work and we both lost that job. Been together 10 years now and I’m making more money than ever and she’s doing her dream job teaching dance classes full time. Ignore the fake corporate culture that tries to stomp out humanity brother.
You weren't aware you shouldn't flirt at work?
@@wyleecoyotee4252 Only *attractive* men are allowed to flirt at work.
@@wyleecoyotee4252 Fuck the rules, that loss can be a dub.
I wonder if the decrease in males in higher education also factors into this. Many young men have rejected higher education, instead opting into trades or alternative routes into the work force.
Look how liberalized the higher education system became! Also a university education nowadays often pays around the same comparatively to trades which are always in high demand! Someone has to do the dirty work as well, and women are more likely to want to work at a desk or in a hospital than men, who are more adventurist and less risk averse!
Thank god I’m old…I wouldn’t go near a woman in this world. My parents met at work, my dad wouldn’t date a co-worker, so my mother quit. A lifetime marriage resulted. And three children. My first wife I met because we kept bumping into each other backstage (literally) working on an amateur theatre production. I’m sure one of us would have claimed harassment in today’s world, and I would have quit. Every relationship I have had resulted from something many of today’s woman could have had a problem with, I imagine. Every woman who walked away, came back later and asked to come back…I told each that I held the door open as they cut ties with family and friends, but the door was now closed. Every one of those woman I would have been content to live my life with, but women get it in their head that they are somehow missing out and their life should be better somehow.
Thank you for being an older person with great awareness. You are correct, the dating environment has gotten so much worse today. And as a double whammy, the calibre of women is also so much worse that there's not much incentive for men to go all the way. All we can do is continue to level up and compete for the women that meets our standard. And yes, this is a more difficult obstacle than what you faced back in your day.
Eve had literally everything a human could ever want, and Adam STILL wasn't good enough.
It's creepy how around 2020 women are manipulated into believing they are not treated well in America... despite the data showing their growing success in America. Also, the divide on abortion seems reasonable... both support choice, but it matters more to women because they are the ones who get to exercise the choice.
Women and minorities alike. The more successful they've become, the more determined the left has been to brainwash them into believing things are actually worse than ever. It's certainly been something to witness.
I'm not sure it's only success. Middle-aged women are more prescription drug dependent for mental health than anyone else.
Yes, I think that's accurate regarding abortion. I had that exact argument with my wife. Pushing men to be pro choice, when they have no choice either way, is something that is very angering to many women.
This is true for all "aggrieved" groups. Blacks and LGBT think things are far worse in America than they were, when things have never been better. Part of it is that political action groups need to keep the grift going, and they way they get money and supporters is to catastrophize. Much more money (and support) comes in if aggrieved groups think they are one step away from being raided by the cops or being sexually assaulted.
@dontcrywolf6810 i had a conversation with my mom. I'm pro choice, but was making the point to her that pro choice is not about equity. Men have no choice over whether they become a parent after sex. Abortion is about greater rights for women, because they carry the child. I'm ok with that, but it definitely is not equal.
The fact that researchers still haven't caught on to there being a distinction between a liberal and a progressive really shows how bad they are at their job. They should all be using the three Telos model for this sort of research
Because the government is inherently a nurturing idea, and women are nurturing. Men on the other hand value independence, bravery, hard work etc..Making us more likely to be right wing.
Men value THEIR individual independence, THEIR individual bravery, THEIR hard work etc. and not necessarily everyone else's.
@maam-yj8ph Men, Woman, Children all depend on each other. Let's stop these silly games. 😂 Children are the real disaffected group. We need them for purpose and meaning.
Men also like merit based systems.
Government presents itself as nurturing when it is in fact oppressive, and becomes actually sadistic with excess power. A useful servant but a dangerous master, as Washington said.
@@GhostlyNomad130And being workers in the economy.
Some women really think that marriage benefits men more? In America?
Yeah what a completely absurd statement. Marriage benefits the woman in every single way. From locking down a provider and protector all the way to the divorce courts. These women are not living in reality.
I was pretty surprised that this statement just skated by, without further discussion. I did a double-take at that comment also.
It certainly doesn't benefit women
@@wyleecoyotee4252 explain that one to me, women in marriages have more spending power and post-marriage they tend have more income so how they bot benefitting. Men lose in marriage, lose money, lose kids…
@@aerofight5994 You're speaking financially and assuming all husbands are wealthy and give their wives money. Women are able to spend ONLY if they have a wealthy successful husband and ONLY if he gives her money. It's not across the board that she will have all the 'spending power' you speak of. My point is not about money but about EVERYTHING else the average woman has to deal with being married and having children. You also fail to realize most women work to support their families, along with their husbands. Depending on the jurisdiction the wife won't get alimony. The reality is that she would rather be poor in divorce than stay married.
Nobody likes being talked down to without their consent, doesn't matter the context. What were people expecting?
Both sides do that stuff tho, so now what’s the move?
Both genders or sexes do that though. I find it disturbing that some men think bad things are only happening to them because that is absurd!
@@Dontdoit_ The move is apparently that Women move further away from the right, and men get more disengaged from both parties.
@@brianmeen2158 I don't buy the equivalency argument. Look for sites like this one but where women voice their grievances. They are much fewer in number, less popular, and you must look much harder to find them.
@@brianmeen2158 you need to quit playing simp games like playing devils advocate. If you are thinking properly and being honest about it, you will see that whilst a small % of men do certain things that are bad, it is the majority of women that believe in things that are just dangerous. The whole societal narrative in the West is Anti-Male at their expense on top. Corporate Culture exactly the same. There is a tiny tiny tiny % of hyper rich males, who due to culture, are actually weak in every other area hence how all these ideas have become worryingly mainstream. The rest of the male population is in some kind of silent despair and it is one giant elephant in the room. Modern Western culture went and said "oh those already privileged women who live life already on easy mode, lets make them even more privileged" sorry but nothing about this is good for society
Not enough female leadership among women? The vast majority of women I've worked wirh HATE having a female boss and much prefer male bosses 'coz we don't use emotional bullying. I know this 'coz women have told it to me. When l was a boss myself and most female bosses i came across were crap at their jobs and were prone to bullying women, especially attractive ones (that's been my experience anyway). This is bad for women too.
It's the Victim meme combo: "I'm unhappy, it's your fault" leads to "when are you going to make me happy?" Which, in turn leads to atrocity: 'look what you made me do (to you)", and restart the cycle.
Women never take responsibility for anything.
How is a decline in "dating" problematic? Out grandparents and great-grandparents probably went on fewer than 10 dates in their entire lives before choosing a spouse. Now people, particularly women think it is necessary to date for 10 to 20 years.
I'm not sure that's true. I knew my grandparents and one of my great grandmothers. They didn't date many different people. But having become interested in someone, they would date for several months or longer before getting engaged. I think the big difference is that back then dating was not a euphemism for sex. And most women married in their late teens and men in their early twenties
@@avastone5539 I think this is because in my grandparents time there was nothing to do at home, not even television. So everybody went out to avoid boredom. Dances, cinemas, card nights, watching sporting matches etc. So everyone was always being thrown together and it was inevitable that young people would meet young people who enjoyed the same activities. For example if a young man met a young woman at a dance, there was a good chance she would agree to go with him to another dance.
Do women want to date for a long time? If they do, they want to make sure that they're "choosing better".
@@rejectionisprotection4448 Quite the opposite. If he's not great she'll figure that out. Is it better to have a one night stand with someone not great? Rather than delaying sex until you know what someone is like.
It's not just a decline in dating it's a big fall in marriage and birthrate too..
I have noticed lots of the liberal women become more conservative with thier views once they have kids.
Not me. I'm 61, a mother and am Still liberal.
@@wyleecoyotee4252 Some people are hard wired to be liberal (you) and some people are hardwired to be conservative (me), but most people are somewhere in the middle and have the behavioral flexibility to swing somewhat one way or somewhat the other depending on environmental factors. Whereas if you swung right and I swung left, you would still be pretty left wing and I would still be pretty right wing. It is a genetic predisposition that plots a bell curve and you and I are on the tails. Please note that authoritarianism is a separate factor (although some liberals such as Bob Altemeyer don't like to admit this). Authoritarians can fall anywhere on the bell curve of politico-cultural orientation.
It makes sense that having kids shifts your perspective from caring about how you’re perceived by others to the practical outcomes of your decisions in terms of safety etc. In a world of cancel culture and with so much of our interaction occurring with the preface of social media reputation, people care relatively more about what others think of them than the real world consequences of their opinions (for example those who advocate for open borders).
@michaels4255 I don't know where the OP 'noticed' this, but what I noticed is women leaning liberal if they have daughters to maintain their rights. Women only become conservative if their husbands are the stereotypical conservative with all its trappings.
@michaels4255 I get you, I consider myself in the middle but I feel like alot of the actions of the left have been more anti family and against traditional values. When people are single and not working they want everything free until they learn the value of hard work.
Left and Right has become more complicated. Im a traditionally liberal male, but feel that the left-leaning political parties arent addressing the big issues. Im also sick to death of ESG and the way this is dividing & distracting society. So does that make me more conservative?
It's by design. Like other issues plaguing (Western) societies as the result of certain policies. From racial tensions to migration or the climate.
Chris keeps saying "young people", while his guest is very clearly saying that young WOMEN have become more liberal. Chris, is this truth too inconvenient?😂
Woman telling other women to use men for resources and get the bags and use for free dinning Look at the trevor Bauer falsely accused situation and unfortunately why would men try to make a difference for men because of them being accused of grape and anything. So men just like being single and it's cheaper no money loss and child support and having 50% of your assets taken away .
But guys, many men have been coaching other men on the easiest way to game women to sleep with them For decades .. you have got to get out of your echo chamber - both sides are doing shady things
@@brianmeen2158It’s really just not that interesting to listen to mosquitos buzzing around discussions of data based on spreading childish and uninformed clichés.
Good point@@brianmeen2158
The upshot of the "me too" movement and the "believe the woman" montra is that many young men are afraid, and rightfully so, to spend any length of time alone with a young woman . . . Not worth the risk of being accused . . .
I have a background in Sociology and I think this guy, although well-versed in what is happening, is missing the larger picture. The West, has been on a centuries long accelerating trajectory towards societal atomization. This includes everything from banning cousin marriage (up to 6th and 7th removed), to voting rights, workforce participation, telecommunications technology, birth control, etc. As individuation has accelerated, so has the loss in social ties one has to family, friends, neighborhood, community, etc. Social ties with other people serve as emotional, financial, and cognitive support systems that help us, as social creatures, bear and and navigate this crazy world. Social ties nurture us, protect us. Without them, everyone is highly susceptible to information campaigns, radical political movements, narcissism, PSYOPs, etc. Using this frame of reference, it is not surprising so many women vote overwhelmingly to the left and are concerned with politics that only involve themselves. The demonization of men has been a blessing in disguise for them. Not only has it spared them the worst of this social engineering, but its actually bringing them together to form coalitions again.
I think that we hyper focus on our problems and believe that there should be collective solutions with 100% buy-in. This leads to the idea that if you show empathy for another group you're robbing resources from the group you're concerned about. If someone spends time and energy on someone else's problem then there isn't 100% buy-in with yours.
The younger generation aren't stupid, blind or deaf. We can all see what's going on in the world but alot of people are scared to say it how it is, so when someone comes along who dosent give a shit its easy to get behind them. The issue is the ones talking sense are labelled right wing
The bigger issue is that very few people are really talking about men's issues. And many in the small group that does are horrible people that give out terrible advice that does their audience more harm than good. I wish we had more people like Chris, but we don't really.
"The issue is the ones talking sense are labelled right wing" - some of us are old enough to remember that it has ALWAYS been that way.
@@michaels4255 Every extremist also thinks that they're just talking sense, too, so I'd be careful about jumping to that conclusion. I know some crazy lefties that would say the same thing, except replace Right with something like "Communist" or "tankies". Be careful when you're labeling yourself to be a persecuted group, like that.
There’s nothing wrong with being called “right wing” it’s just that it’s unfairly associated with historical big bad villains and people immediately assume the worst when they hear that someone is “right wing”
@@moisesjimenez4391 These days I think it's unfortunately more closely associated to Trump, than any historical figure... I was raised conservative. And policy wise I'm still somewhat near the center, but there's no chance I'll be associating myself with the Republican party again until it moves past this current anti-establishment phase.
This is simply because the young women are no longer marrying men, they now rely on either the state or are in the workforce themselves. Men are still tracking the same, if not more tolerant than most of history.
I’m going to be completely honest, I don’t trust the people putting out the poll to not out me if they disagree with my views. I wonder how much of that plays into other men’s answers on those polls
You do know polls and surveys often don't ask your actual name. Just age and such details as they can figure out what demographic you are from
You aren't that important
My experience growing up as a millennial with abortion. It was very often talked about in the open by people with first hand experience. It was not difficult to see that our generation lost a tragic number of peers before they even took a breath.
@@jonnyguitar747 I found my daily psychopath✓
@@jonnyguitar747 The koolaid that says "life is life"? Look I am actually for choice with reasonable restrictions, I just want people to be honest with themselves on what an abortion is instead of copping out and coping.
Gen X even more so
Young women are more susceptible to social contagion and with everyone being online and social media - many more women can catch it all at once.
19:58 I think another factor is how much time children spend with adults outside the home in modern society. For atleast 8 hours 5 days a week another adult can introduce you to viewpoints your parents dont agree with. I wouldnt be surprised if the children in communities or cults are much more likely to share the political leanings of their parents than any other group of children.
I get the feeling these researchers are going about this incorrectly. (This isn't bashing Daniel Cox, but in general.) The world has changed, many men are growing up in broken homes with no resources to go to college/university let alone any help from parents/mentors. You can't hold a job for twenty years and make a living wage like one could in days past. Right now most are working multiple part-time jobs. Most work having no upward advancement unless it's a rather rare or prestigious job. Video games aren't a cause of the problem, their a symptom/outcome of it. Men don't want to play video games all day with an AI girlfriend, they do so given it's what's left to them. You can always work hard and make yourself better in a personal sense, but... on a national or macro level things have gotten to the point you're 'special' if you end up in a happy marriage and have a decent job if you're under forty. (You are always responsible for just yourself, but this is about the entire whole. There are always those that just want to play all day and not work, but it doesn't explain the sheer number doing so now. The men haven't changed much, the world around them has.) Women are now men in terms of how they're expected to join the workforce and men are having trouble finding success. That effects both men and women in dating and their happiness. Social media wouldn't be such an issue if it wasn't for those really struggling seeing those who are living in gross wealth. That just means, if most had a decent living they wouldn't care, but the gap between wages makes it all the worse. Many thinking they're the odd one out and failing while the world outside is wealthy, which it is not. It makes men feel like failures, and women think that average men are making over $100,000 a year and creates a divide that can't be bridged and unreal expectations. No one would have anxiety from social media if they felt confident about their circumstances and had a decent life.
It worked a lot better when we did things the old fashioned way. Dad worked to provide, mom stayed home and was involved in the kids life more, and her community. Now, both parents are working and giving their kids to teachers and daycare workers to raise them, and giving them access to social media without supervision at all, and they don't have the maturity to handle it. It has been a terrible social experiment, and we are now reaping what has been being sowed.
The way I would say this is that we are descending into Third Worldom while still holding on to (or even intensifying) the dysfunctional luxury beliefs that are typical of still wealthy countries or wealthy social classes. It is the worst of both worlds. Beer budgets with champagne values.
I see this in my own supposed first world country. Some third world immigrants are going home. Its just not the high standard of living it used to be. Having said that 150 years ago people were raising families in two rooms and were greatful for that.
@@sues3218I agree
@@sues3218 on top of that, boomers took it upon themselves to tell society that way of doing things was "boring" it amazes me how people but especially women are like "how can I be entertained constantly" it is hedonism on steroids out there. I fell for it myself but I had a father who left his family when I was 6 and decided he would just be a fair weather, dismissive parent instead of raising his kids properly (such boomerism) I gotten to the point where the pressure of trying to entertain people who have some kind of excessive social life (who the **** has the money for this anyhow) just plain exhausting. Luckily me and my mrs are in agreement on this stuff. Most people are just not that nice today for all these reasons
Just two dudes having a chat within hearing range of their girlfriends.
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I haven't heard them talk seriously about a major influencer on women: school - university and K-12. They both bush it off saying students don't pay attention even to the syllabus but I've watched in person. Women have historically been influenced by authority figures. Teachers and professors are ideal authority figures. Boys/young men tend to rebel and push back while females tend to try to follow exactly. I say that as someone who's taught math at a university. I've watched girls I've dated turned left at a conservative university. Females tend to pick majors with professors (definite authority figures) who are almost radically liberal be they female or male. Women, as the majority of students at a university, are influencing what has been taught and as they return to the public schools and universities as a majority of staff and professors turn the curriculum even more left and turn their students especially girls/young women left. Young women raised in conservative homes are turned at school. Time after time. The feminist movement has reduced the authority of the dad and replaced it with the government and schools. Culture via media and social groups and trying to fit in as well as student loans for majors that don't tend to turn into medium or high paying jobs are also heavy influencers but the power of liberal professors and majors especially over female students was brushed off in this episode.
I am a reasonable conservative and my wife is a reasonable liberal. The secret is being a reasonable person who'd have thought
Chivalry is nice, but not the baggage that comes with it. At some point women have to communicate more clearly if we want nice sissies or manly violent guys. The way mothers raise sons is very confusing. And it doesn't help that dad is nowhere to be seen.
There arent gonna be many moms and dads in the next 2 decades, less youg women to turn liberal, time is running out.
I'm considering becoming a woman.
Guys with high testosterone tend not to be violent. They can get their needs met in the civilised way.
Chivalry assumed certain codes that governed the behavior of women ("ladies") as well. Chivalry was not designed to honor women who wanted to compete with men, or for women who were even allowed to compete with men. Women are no longer conforming to (or required or expected to conform to) the behavioral and ethical standards which elicited customs of chivalry.
Women married the state. It's that simple. Explains them going further left, explains the dating data, etc. Why? Hypergamy. They were never interested in the average man to begin with. Monogamy was introduced to placate the average man. Social media apps made monogamy a relic of the past.
The problem with the "Algorithm Excuse" is that right now you can clearly see the divide on college campuses over the protests. In the last few days it has literally come down to female-led protests on largely female-led campuses vs, college fratboys helping clear encampments and protecting American flags. The difference is stark, deep, and important.
Anyone downplaying cancel culture at this point is in complete denial.
The empathy gap is a terrifying phenomenon! The future looks like a very dark place.
how to tap-dance around the phrase 'feminist hysteria,' for an hour and a half. Also - giving children unlimited access to social media will be looked back at as an incredible mistake.
14:45 "Their felt sense is trepidation. They're in a lot of fear." It's pretty telling that this bombshell of an observation is just casually glossed over in this discussion. People don't just feel fear for no reason at all, it's largely an autonomous response. One or two guys being afraid of rejection is one thing, but we're talking about hundreds of thousands if not tens of millions of men who feel this way. It's mass fear on a societal level, statistically comparable to authoritarian regimes. It's interesting that these discussions never really have the courage to ask why that is, probably because it would lead to some pretty harsh criticism of third wave feminism and the overtly sexist and oppressive conditions it has fostered in the workplace and beyond, as well as a civilian government that has financed this paradigm largely on the backs of men's incomes. When two men have to tiptoe around these things in their own discussion, it's clear that the problem goes much deeper than what's being talked about here.
Some people say it is a fear of being publicly shamed on social media.
I struggle with the notion of drawing a parallel between "imbued values" and US political party affiliation or political ideology. We're living in a world where the most prominent and outspoken anti-war media figure in the US is Tucker Carlson, of all things. When it comes to earnestly held values, Democrat and Republican is as meaningless a categorization as is left and right - or even liberal and conservative - in 2024. These categories are no longer consistent or predictable determiners of values, if they ever were. They're tribes. Cults, arguably. Their 'values' are at best oppositional, and at worst cynically self-serving. I considered myself a liberal - often an out and out leftist - for decades. Few of my values have changed yet I'm no longer welcome in those tribes, and with good reason. They've morphed into something unrecognizable to me; a place where indeed I do not belong. This doesn't mean I've moved to the right - though that's what my former crew insist - it means they've moved somewhere bizarre and I've retained at least some of my ability to think for myself.
Republican party has never been ideologically consistent, and at one time the Dems were not either, but after 1972 they increasingly moved in the direction of being a pure "social democrat" party. GOP is more conservative than it used to be, but not nearly so much as the Dems. At one time both parties were basically vehicles for getting elected and not much more. Unfortunately, the left has become increasingly inclined toward authoritarianism and repression. It is harder than ever for them to accept that they may sometimes not get their way about some things. They view their opponents or dissenters as enemies to be utterly suppressed, not as part of the inevitable give and take of a democratic process.
Because women by nature are collectivist creatures, and also extremely emotional. Much, much more than men.
Pretty sure “Me Too” meant, this thing happened to me, too.
That's exactly it. If you go and sit down and talk to women you know and work with I'm sure quite a few of them will tell you yes somebody did something very unkind to them. 60% of assaults go unreported. I'm not saying there's not some vindictive evil women out here lying on men. But as a woman who has been grabbed at work by strangers (a man forced a kiss on me!) We can't act like this doesn't happen more than we like to admit.
@@AdelTheForsakenIf they are unreported. How did you get that number? Unreported- I took this number out of my ass.
Should always mention how these “research polls” are conducted. What kind of people are taking the time to do a poll? Random web site pop up, phone call, university sample? I’m not convinced it’s robust data.
Good point.
I think it's interesting how he characterizes Trump's behavior. Biden has also been accused of atrocities towards women. The difference seems to indicate people are just wanting a fake public persona that allows them to pretend that someone has a better character.
I will vote for the party that the feminists DON'T support
The problem there is, using the UK as an example. Feminists hate the tories, but the tories are still feminist overall.
I think, and I mean this in the best way possible, women are just being very selfish now in a way they see is equal to selfishness of men in the past but I would say the behaviour of men in the past was incredibly productive and as such more reasonable behaviour than the selfishness now happening which isnt actually doing much good for the world other than making some people feel a bit better sometimes... maybe.
Let me tell you what was formative: being a senior in high school in 2016 and suddenly being inundated with a bunch of brazen misandry that had just showed up out of nowhere and somehow became mainstream. THAT was formative; I’d be lying if I said it doesn’t bother me (but only when thinking about it for too long)
Women (and men) need to understand that they have an obligation to their family. Your life is not your own. You owe it to those who have came before you and those who will come after you.