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In this video, we take these three SUVs with solid reputations for off-road capability into the Colorado mountains for a shakedown: the 2020 Land Rover Defender, 2021 Toyota Land Cruiser Heritage Edition and the 2021 Nissan Armada, based on the overseas Patrol. Will they all make it out in one piece?
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Great video!!!
It is a known issue, it's not the sensor but a air bubble in your line. Warm up the engine slightly then open the coolant knob. Let it burp and refill. No more issue.
Hello Landrover engineers, suck up your pride, make a deal with toyota and put the Landcruser motor in defender. In my opinion it is a good looking suv and people would buy cause then it will be reliable! Hell i will buy one too! 💡💡
@@peopleschamp7258 dond't worry, this clowns just dond't get it. They dond't break the Engine in the first 1000 Miles, they just put the pedal to the metal... I'm not surprised they have that kind of problems.
@@wodanowitz Yeah, my bud had a toyota, beat the shit out of it from day one. Never f8cked up like this line up of turds! I was a kid and my uncle (a racer and mechanic) used to say "If you buy a British car, here are two things you get: 1) Oil stains in your driveway. 2) Many wasted hours fixing the f8cking thing!!"
@@peopleschamp7258 .. this clowns rather like to show a Defender that is failing, instead of doing the simplest Homework, wich is what you just said.
Land Rover does an amazing job at selling Land Cruisers.
Lol
Lmao
Damn that hurts🤣
Hard actual lol
Not really Toyota only sell around 2000 to 3000 and a year(Lexus LX is around 4000-6000) in US while Land Rover sells that monthly in the US.
Toyota warning light,- " your landrover is broken."
Best comment.
I second the nomination for best comment
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Looks like the motion carries. Best comment!
Good one 😅😂👍👏👏👏!!
I think James Bond has always escaped because the bad guys drive Land Rovers.
Lol never thought about it that way
Reliability and British automobile don’t go together
And you believe the fantasy of films - get a grip pal - lol
@@Rob-cv3vh What DEFENDERS are really used for - OH, nope, I`m at sea level depending on tide high, are you high as your talking rubbish = Enjoy = kzhead.info/sun/hLebeKiekJiFY58/bejne.html
@@Rob-cv3vh Hi..lol are you stupid ?
Just got back from Utah trip. Took Armada up and had to drive down the 14 hwy with snow and icy roads. Got my family home safe no problems, that’s all I could ask for.
agree, our Armada has been through some hellish road conditions and has never let my family down. I did change the tires out to AT
You should be thanking your tires.
The Armada has always been underrated. I prefer late model 1st Gens, as compared to the 2nd Gens, which are practically the same as the identical Infinity SUV. I'm confused as to why the Toyota Sequoia is not in this comparison. That would make more sense.
just bought a armada , love it so far
I literally expect an issue with the Defender every time I see it in the thumbnail. I haven't been disappointed.
@baby panda That coolant tank shouldn't also show at the MAX level during operating temps. I suspect that tank was potentially close the MIN line during cold status and any change in angle drops it below the cool line causing the system to trip the warning message...or the float is faulty, there's a leak, software sucks, take your pick. And, more concerning is if the dealer says the coolant level was at the max level when it left and there are no obvious signs of leakage, then you have to ask where is that coolant going...
@@m.youtube.com-r Which technically they're not wrong
@baby panda so don’t release the vehicle to the public (let alone a motoring journalist) until it’s ready...
Taxes, death and the defender having issues. The three certainties in life.
@@ShredGarage *The LAND CRUISER is the ONLY TRUE ULTRA LUXURY car you can buy. It is the only one CAN BACK IT UP with QUALITY and MANUFACTURING TECHNOLOGY TO BACK IT UP* - unlike THE 🙊 FAKE 🔴 ones like Land Rover - basically cheap quality with only a name left hoping people don't see that and blow their cover 🙏🤣
The coolant level wasn't too low, your expectations were just too high
😂!!
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highly underrated comment ... deserves all the thumbs-ups!
Hahahahahah
Nope...just keep driving until it goes "KABOOM" Probably in another 300 miles.
Everybody clicked for land cruiser, and commented for Land Rover jokes😂
I own an 11 lx570 Just put Toyo at3’s on it yesterday so it’s no longer a mall cruiser
I got it l l
Funny, for all the Land Rover 'jokes' *obligatory laughing face emoji* LR stuff is regarded as a premium brand the world over, especially in the USA it would seem.
LR is known as unreliable in the US, premium or not. I guess a Lamborghini would be premium too, but it's not a daily driver. They're simply too unreliable.
Guilty
When Land Cruiser goes on a trip, it will bring back everyone plus a broken down Land Rover
Facts😂😂 Toyota for life❤️❤️❤️
@@abhishekbhaskar2931 The fact is you're both talking crap.
@@skylined5534Not really and who cares?
@@alh06 Yes, really, and everyone cares. And don't like your own comment mere seconds after you post it, it looks so utterly tragic.
@@skylined5534 Wow so utterly tragic
At this rate you'll be on your 5 Land Rover before the Toyotas first oil change...
Land Cruiser 25 years zero issues, Land Rover 25 minutes.🤣
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for real
If that were my Defender I,d keep the oil and change the car !
@@AJ-qn6gd 🤣🤣🤣
TFL: what can go wrong? Defender: you fools.
This channel is the best anti-Defender channel 😂
@@stephenchisadza4975 it’s not even anti defender. The poor thing is doing it to itself lol
@@stephenchisadza4975 No one is more anti-Defender than Land Rover in that regard...lol
@@stephenchisadza4975 they did not choose it to be though haha
I still hope Defender can have chance, sensor could be supplier issue, after they fix 1st model bugs it might be fine
TFLC: "What could go wrong?" Defender: _"Thought you'd never ask!"_
I can’t like this comment enough 😂😂😂😂❤️
I'm dead now...thanks.🤣😂🤣😂💀
I bought my Landcruiser new I. 1998,it has 97,000 on it and nothing has ever broken.It’s otherworldly amazing.
Wow less than 100k on a 20+ year old car, you must keep that thing in the basement!
@@engineergaming4295100k throughout the basement that's a hell of maneuvers
Nissan should just put all the patrol's extra off-road equipment on the armada and call it the Armada PRO-4X
I'm still waiting for an Armada Nismo.
@@poodabran I had to google what Nismo is. Lmao. Good one.
The only difference off-road is the locker. Most Patrol owners say they rarely use it anyways. Would be a nice option, but these are more or less the same vehicles in different trim levels.
Or just not make another armada
@@poodabran lol .. That's what the Infiniti QX80 is for
When I built my Lego Defender I ended up with extra pieces just like it's done at the factory.
@@Kwatshivo "LR is thinking ahead for *when* a piece breaks" FTFY
It seems like the factory didn't have all the pieces.
Wow so have I broman
The Armada is basically the same as the Nissan Patrol which is legendary. Made in Japan and bulletproof. Best bang for the buck of the three by far.
No
Yup.
Land Cruiser by far.
I am not sure that it is on the same level as the Legend called Patrol...they used yo make great cars but not anymore ,like many others..
@@dariusrus5335it is honestly, but it’s not as off-road capable because I think it’s missing some features compared to the patrol, which can go off-roading.
Title should be "Two recovery vehicles and a Defender take on mud and snow".
Sadly, it's the same old story: if you want to go into the wilderness, drive a Land Rover. But if you want to come out again, drive a Landcruiser.
lol
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Damn. 💀⚰
Is that saying truly stands up in real. Life. So I won't be able to get back home in the defender
It's so true. I owned a 2003 disco 2 when I was younger. Thing was a disaster, but fun as hell when it wasn't breaking down.
No normal person would stand the Defender after spending 70k.. I would want a full refund already.. An offroader that complains when on incline? Give me a break..
Preach! It behaves more like a diva than a freaking 4x4.
I think it’s a feature...my discovery 3 says coolant low every once in a while when the level is clearly fine! 😂
Great for making youtube content though! An unreliable car is far more entertaining, at least for us who only see through glass.
Full refund, instead of pouring in some more coolant ? How stupid that can be more.
To be fair, the vast majority of people who buy a new luxury offroad vehicles will not take them offroad ever (even really capable vehicles like the g-wagon or land cruiser) Some will, but most won't, it's more of an image thing and liking the idea of having the option. Most of the ones that actually get heavy use off-road will be those bought used for significantly cheaper.
Whenever I see a Land Rover in the service department I think to myself....” There it is.. a Land Rover in its natural environment”.... Then I go pay my bill...
Then you purchased the wrong ones, should have bought an older REAL landrover when they made REAL landrovers by the LANDROVER COMPANY, oh and bought an old diesel one, you know the type, the type you Americans never got, as you were not just clued up about "small diesels" back then but the rest of the world was so bought them in preference to V8 versions
It's insane how often I see friends and customers with their Land Rovers in for repair. All I think, there they are the clueless mall shopping lady that convinced her hubby into buying any model, they all suck.
And have you ever heard the English saying, Selling coal to Newcastle ? - LOL the dumb V8 came from America, but you still bought them - lol
I felt this I have a discovery 4
@@ianburit3705 So, he should have bought a Landrover, that he couldn't have bought because they were never available, and they don't make anymore.... what an idiot!
“Gee dad, this screen in the Land Rover is soooo cool”... Guess you can play with that cool screen as you’re waiting for the tow truck.
Unless that cool screen also breaks down. 😂
@@moogle17 Nothing to play with in American cars when you're waiting for the tow truck though as everything is pre broken from factory.
Somewhere are Toyota engineers laughing their asses off at the feeble attempt from Land Rover.
Who sells more 4x4s in the US?
@@alfamonk toyota hands down. Tacoma’s and 4runners are everywhere. Land rovers are all luxury suvs here found in the cities especially the Range Rover but you never see any of the modern land rovers on the trails.
They are laughing because they use 1990 tech but charge 2020 pricing. I don't know why anyone buys a new tacoma, 4runner or land cruiser. As many ppl have pointed out they are bomb proof so buy one from 2000 and call it a day. I prefer things that are updated, but I also have disposable income.
@@peopleschamp7258 What "1990 tech"? You mean internal combustion engines, that tech? Seriously, this isn't rocket science these companies are selling, it's well known technology and if by now a company can't get it right on the first shot it shouldn't be building cars. Right now it's down to competence, some companies have it, some don't. Is there any reason why the engineers from LR couldn't figure out what's wrong with their product? No, they built it, they should be able to tell exactly what went wrong with their product. In this case they are either incompetent or aren't saying what really went wrong with the first car.
@@groosbro1 not the engines unless your Tesla almost all engines are combustible. No, I'm talking about everything else tech like self driving, safety aids, drive modes, touch screens, cameras. All these can be found in American made cars at a same prices of Japanese cars
😂😂Tommy cracking me up! “Hell will freeze over before a Land Cruiser is recovered by a Defender”! As a former Land Cruiser owner x2 I used to hate it when people called them my Land Rover.
I laughed at that too. I think it's cute that Roman thinks the Land Cruiser might need to be saved by the Defender. He is truly delusional. LOL.
Tommy on the other hand knows what's up.
@@tmwei396 Of course, I've seen multiple Yotas towed out by Rovers myself, so as they say , YMMV
@@donhappel9566 I'm sure you have.... and I'm sure you've never seen a Rover being towed out by a Toyota. OK. I'm also sure that you've never had any issues with your Rover.
@@tmwei396 I'm trying to think if I've ever seen a Rover towed out by a Yota...don't think I have. Of course, I don't usually wheel with Yota guys. Not trying to say Rovers are the best vehicle ever or that all Yotas are trash, but then again I don't fall for the opposite of that either. As for the new Disc....er, I mean Defender... I have a couple friends running them in both 4 and 6 cyl. None have had any problems yet. Would I buy one for myself? Sure - if it fit my needs. My issue is that it no longer fills the roll of simple and easy to modify for purpose. I suppose if I needed a light-duty wheeler/family hauler that has reasonable towing and hauling capacity I might pick one up. But for the wheeling I prefer none of these is a viable solution.
I'm here just to see the Land Rover break down 😂
The reason why the Land Cruiser flexes so well is something called Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System. Essentially, the front and rear sway bar mounts are connected together hydraulically and it's all passive. When the vehicle leans to one side, ie turning, the hydraulics lock each other into place. When you crawl over an obstacle you have diagonal loading which allows the mounts to move and prevent the sway bar from being effective. All passive and automatic. No buttons. Pretty awesome sway bar disconnect system.
The defender is very reliable at being unreliable. Never lets me down.
Maybe I can pick one up for cheap in 10 years... do a body swap to a Toyota chassi 😂
😂😂😂😂😂
Yes, but actually no.
Reminds me of a guy who keeps going back to the girlfriend who keeps giving him the crabs.
💯
Awesome comparison!!😎
Maybe he was hoping for the lobster the next time 🦞 😂
Yip. :) but clearly, in both cases, it's that good....
Now now ... that's no way to talk about a girl who's generous with her love and strives not to leave anyone behind ...
I love how Land Rover went retro with the Defender, no the vehicle design, the breaking down and letting you stranded part.
All 3 are iconic, but the Defender is leaning toward setting a new record for being iconicly unreliable. I have a good friend, who has had numerous of the previous Defenders and he is a die hard for these things. They are either in the shop being fixed or something is warning them that something needs to be fixed. Never is it cheap to fix to top it off. It got so costly at one point, that he had to sell his last one at a loss to get a little run around to continue with normal life. Now that he has paid off the previous dept, he is busy saving up so that he can get another. I think this just teaches us a very good lesson: "You cannot tell someone what they must like and not like, they have to experience it for themselves." Unfortunately, some people just bump their heads over and over expecting the result to be different the next time. I have never had this type of experience, because I see these issues in the reviews and the research. I find it strange that so many people fall for the JLR products. They cost so much and in my eyes seem to return very little.
If u can’t afford a defender why buy one no off-roader with features like a defender is reliable
"But its understandable, we've been offroad for 5 miles now" LOLOL. I love it
As I saw commented on another Defender video "90% of Land Rovers are still on the road, the other 10% made it home"
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😆 🤣 😂
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Is that the reason UK farmers by Diesel Landrovers as do the UK army And American Army in agafistan as fat humvees could not fit in the narrow streets and Aussies use Landrovers built In Australia, and armies all over the world ?
@@ianburit3705 simply because they can't buy land cruisers coz the ISIS are buying them in bulk. 🤣🤣🤣
I thought blind Landcruiser loyalty was exclusive to Australia. I was so wrong! The Landcruiser is a great vehicle, but it leaps and bounds away from the legendary reliability that made the name.
Oh my god, tears in my eyes for all the Land Rover jokes, this is too funny!
That fancy dress pic of yours is cool bro.
@@skylined5534 Oh thanks man, that was a beautiful day riding the bike with some buddies, taking a pic by the lake. And now one of them sold the bike, the others I didn't meet them in ages and I'm riding mostly by myself. Damn, you don't know when youre living the good life until you're not living it anymore I guess, ahah!
From people who can’t afford one 😆
@@qtcarmen7d896 to be honest if I could afford a brand new Land Rover I still wouldn't buy it. My boss has two and had some previous versions too, and the feeling inside is always cheap, like the plastic is big and doesn't feel like they put a lot of effort into it, not to mention the tons of issues it always has. Still better than the rexton he owned a long time ago, that thing broke the gearbox as we were in another city...that was a bad day for sure. If Hammond, May and Clarkson can agree that the land Rover is unreliable, then it definitely is. Still if someone likes them, good for them, much like jeep. You know what they say jeep stands for in the us? Just empty every pocket, lol
I'm watching the Land Rover videos just to see what breaks next.
Basically we all are
Me 2
Go watch the CAMEL TROPHY YEARS on youtube to see how much punishment DIESEL landrovers can take/ the new "THING" with a landrover badge is no more than a car with a landrover badge and I`m a landrover DIESEL owner and lover, landrover build this defender OUTSIDE the UK and is now owned by an INDIAN company = wait a while for one of these = www.autoexpress.co.uk/ineos/grenadier
Point is choices luxury or simple old school both things not possible companies should make two type car ones is off road car with low electrical luxury and other is for not off road only for highways drive luxury
I laughed way too hard when Tommy said a warning light turned on for the Land Cruiser 🤣
It was on, right?
@bayu parahita I meant that when an LR is on, it always has a light on.
Oh look . . . 😂😂😂😂 way too funny.
My wife’s 2019 Armada is pretty dope. It does have the rear view mirror camera btw.
I enjoy the father and Son bonding on the reviews. Dad you should be proud!
The son needs some "shutupedness" sometimes. He often sounds like he's trying to one-up his dad. Otherwise, I totally agree to the family bonding.
It's snowing in the Rockies. What can go wrong? Defender: "Hold my beer."
Whoever owns Landrover now hatched a cunning plan, sell the CRAP ones to America as them mugs buy anything, the best ones we sell to the UK and Europe/ Its working, been working for years.LOL
@@ianburit3705 it is probably a faulty sensor or they put the sensor in a stupid spot
This week on TFL, we walk around our 11th Defender. 🤣😂
This video made me feel even better about buying a LC HE two weeks ago. I went back and forth for a long time, but ultimately went with the one I knew I wouldn’t have this shit. Who the hell wants the drama of constant fault lights in a brand new car?
Most Land Rovers spend their time" off the road " not" off road "
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Land Rover is praying you just return the defender
True. They lose 100s of sales every video.
They've already lost a sale to me because I was going to buy the base 4 cylinder similar to what they first bought, but not now. Looks like I'm going to get the Bronco instead.
Get the Bronco; it's a tad better than any Land Rover vehicle on Earth.
@@lethalweapon5897 no it’s not
No they aren’t.
They’ll be maintaining the land cruiser in 100 years with parts made from recycled defenders
😂😂 So true
How would that actually be possible? I wouldn't imagine they would share any similar components.
Land Cruisers are made from recycled Series Land Rovers from Australia!
@@alexjohnward Is that actually true?
@@ivanlowjones melted down then made into something reliable from unreliable junk.
Great video guys! As an Australian I looked at all three of these and settled for a 2021 LandCruiser Prado Kakadu and absolutely love it! Prado is surprisingly luxurious and is finally somewhat comparable to the defender for 50k less.
So did I, great vehicle for road trips all directions outside of Sydney :)
What about the Pajero, cheaper inside than the Prado but also much cheaper for your wallet.
@yutuniopati pajeero is not as reliable as the land cruiser but can still outlast any European vehicle
The Land Rover doe have the most modern screens for all your fault and failure gauges. Good job JLR.
The Land Rover proves again and again that its unreliability is legendary!
And yet, every other car brand recalling everything possible.
I own a 1968 series 2a and I can assure you it's far more reliable being 52 yo than the new one hahaha
@@landrover971, I own a 04' L322 Range Rover changed the timing guides because BMW, 178k miles and a 15' LR4 since new put new O2 sensors in it 101k miles and that's all! My 19' F150 has been at the dealer waaay more than both combined
it really didn’t have issues, it’s just the sensor. Who cares, nothing is actually wrong with it.
Just wait until the air suspension starts falling apart.
Best father-son business in the world
Tommy is cringe-worthy and an entitled brat with no experience. He should be the company janitor. Nathan and Andre should be the exclusive video drivers and content stars.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 agree, it was O...K... In the past but man he just so whiny now that he's a main reviewer
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 I’ll respectfully disagree. He’s not an old guy, but represents a younger demographic that will hopefully make TFL more approachable for that audience. True, sometimes he sounds like an old guy in a kid’s body and sometimes his hair is crazy unruly, but I actaully am starting to like his sessions...and he’s getting better as time goes by.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 Just another keyboard commando I see. How happy are you with your life that you have to make shitty comments on KZhead?
I wish I had shared as many things with my dad as Tommy and Roman share. Probably mostly my fault, but I envy their relationship.
"I'm not too worried about it" Bold statement for a guy driving a Land Rover.
The Middle Eastern version of the Armada (Nissan Patrol) has a Rear Diff Lock. The button for it is besides the 4wd selector (instead of the Tow Mode in the Armada).
A Land Rover will get you there, but a Land Cruiser will get you back.
Correction: "A Land Rover MAY, ... if you're very very lucky, get you there; but don't count on it bringing you back" 🤣🤣🤣
A Land Rover will get you back once you return a brand new one twice and take the third one on the trail
Looks like this Land Rover might not be able to do either.. 😑
That was deep.
Lol exactly
The land cruiser for my hard earned money every time
Really well said. You won't let someone rip you off with your hard earned money.
Lol overpriced land cruiser
My wife and I really want to buy a defender, love the idea of all of off road tech and the style of the vehicle, but after watching your videos and reading the comments from others who have owned them, we have taken it off our list of possible options.
I think that's a wise decision. Don't understand me wrong: I am a Landrover guy owned 8 vehicles. But switched to 2002 Lexus LX470 which is more reliable then a brand new Landrover Defender
The smartest choice.
Toyota landcruiser , sequoia #1 Nissan Armada 4wd platinum #2 choice . I own a 2015 Armada platinum. It's amazing. But I would trade it for a landcruiser or sequoia if the money was right . I see those land rovers , defenders and can't help but laugh and cry for such bad buyers choices. If you can afford it , go landcruiser and know you made one of the smartest choices when you are in a parking lot next to other overly fancy yard ornaments .
Sad but True. I have this problem too.
I bought one and has never given me problems. Almost 65,000 miles and it’s been great.
I bought my first Land Rover six months ago. It is a 1980 Series III short wheel base. It was an off-roader back in the day, but now it's a hobby for me. I love it. For the new defender, I am keen to see how the INEOS GRENADIER comes about.
In the middle East this is the 'normal' patrol and it's used mostly by people who don't do serious offroading. The patrol super Safari and ghazelle series are the serious offroad versions ! I used to work in a company that makes bulletproof cars and it's always filled with land cruisers ! That's tells a lot about their offroading and reliability ! And the land cruiser VXR/VXS variants do have hydraulic suspension with height control. I guess the heritage edition is closer to a GXR/EXR variant.
The gazelle is a majooooor flop, 280k dhs for a lift kit, really stupid, and the "normal" patrol isn't so normal, it's widely acclaimed as the best car in the desert, the y61 super safari is mostly bought to mod it. The heritage edition in the USA is actually much closer to the vxr other than the body kit and aur suspension, the air suspension on the vxr still doesn't make sense as its a torsion beam setup and not independent.
Sure. Moreover, TFL going off road in snow without snow tires.
You guys seriously need to watch the Nissan patrol y62 in Australia. You won’t to see what it can do do that.
@@WW-wf8tu normal people who buy these cars, especially the landies are not going to do these type of driving..
@@titanx04 Australia is where it’s at when it comes to Y62 modifications and off-road driving. We’ve got one of the smallest markets for the patrol but definitely the most active.
Poor dog looks worried...."Why did you put me in the Defender?"
Any man that is this kind to a dog is a real man. You have a nice son. Good job dad.
Give that land rover back, it’s not fun getting warning lights on light off-roading trails, way too stressful!! Land Cruiser for the win!
Land Rover never fails to furnish you with a good warning light. It’s part of the ambiance.
Just get rid of the defender!
I've been driving a Land Cruiser since 2002 and I'm so happy with her. My Toyota is fantastic
Your Toyota is a pile of shit rust bucket, and you're a troll.
@@wildman1137 like your empty brain
@@stefra8685 That makes no sense...way to reinforce the point that you're an unintelligent toyota troll degenerate.
@@wildman1137 jealous cuz u cant afford one?
@@MichaelKouable A 2002 Land Cruiser? LOL, I wouldn't waste my lunch money on a pile of dog shit like that. You're a clown.
Land Cruiser is the best value and functional vehicle, you don’t want keep depending on technology when you are in the middle of nowhere . Plus the Defender will never last 200000 miles , the Defender is for a wife to drive around town , not off-road.
I put over 600k kms on an LR3 that had all the same tech - different engine.
Yes sir suppose you are body builder then you need lot of costly protein then any normal human being same with car .ppl who go for Land Rover they know that LR need lot of maintenance but they know that they have tons of money and they maintenance easily and enjoying luxury +teach
Every time I think about trying another brand, videos like this remind me why I chose Landcruiser.
Land cruiser without question. That thing will outlive humans.
Unless the frame gets destroyed, which is what Toyota is starting tobe known for lol
@@alexanderblackburn4520 my 98 rav4 has had less problems than all of our cars. That is a 2015 f150, 2020 forster, 2014 Verano. Forster was just electronics tho. F150 was a transmission. It does tow a lot tho but the little rav4 I would trust to travel 1000 miles straight out of them.
@@AxleChastain wow, almost as if I didn't mention the rav4. Almost as if I alluded to body on frame, not unibody uselessness
Land Rover will be lucky to outlive Betty White...
@@alexanderblackburn4520 yup. Rust can defeat them if they not coated properly
The defender's coolant level indicator doubles as a confidence level indicator too!
I'm with you roman, I'm a 200 series land cruiser owner but I'm rooting for the defender sooo much because that car is incredible on paper...just wish it performed as stated..
That's pretty funny an incredible car on paper! 😄
I’m here for the Land Cruiser ❤️
I keep rooting for Land Rover but I also keep buying Japanese cars.
I've always found that the Japanese cars we get are quite unreliable but the unreliable cars we get like land rover and fiat all seem to keep going which I find very weird.
Root with your heart.... bet with your wallet lol
I have an 18 Titan pro 4x and live in Alaska. The truck is a beast and will plow through deep snow. On ice it just needs to be in 4x4. The grabber tires sent the best for ice.
This is exactly me 😂 I love the heritage of land rovers and try to root for them but i know toyota is the right call
Land Rover exists so Jeep doesn't have to wear the shame of being the least reliable off roader haha
You guys are cool plus I love the father-son take on the show. Great job
From one Bernese dog owner to another, Get a big dog bed for Blaze to be comfortable in the back!!!
Nothing like abusing your dog for some video footage!!!
I feel like owning a Defender is an exercise in futility.
I bought a 15 year old g wagon once....that was an exercise in futility. I’d still prefer a 15 year old g wagon to a new defender.
The old aluminum box with wheels version wasn't exactly a paragon of reliability either. And yes the old school defenders had an aluminum body. Though it was always funny to park a D90 next to a YJ or TJ Wrangler. The D90 is comparable in size to a JKU.
No it’s not.
What could go wrong? Since one of those vehicles is a Defender, practically anything
It could go wrong if you don’t choose it
Our 2020 Escalade in snow mode and 4 high locked does amazing in the cold stuff.
We recently picked up a used 2021 Armada. Hell of a deal. It's most extreme use is going to be towing the RV across the country and then doing some mild/moderate off-roading. If it's only as capable as, say, an Outback Wilderness, that'll be more than enough for the overlanding trails we want to do (e.g. getting to cool places, great scenery in the back country -- but no climbing over complicated obstacles just for the challenge of it). I'm going to put some AT tires and skid plates on it (probably even with the 20" wheels rather than going to 18s) and call it good. We've only had ours a couple of months, but are impressed. It's a luxurious, comfortable highway cruiser, tows the trailer easily (the integrated brake controller, auto-leveling rear suspension, and sway control are great). I'm not sure why people are so worried about the size off road. Yeah, it's big, sure, but not as big as an F150. It's not even as long as a Ranger -- both of which you see off road all the time.
Still enjoying the Armada? Any issues or regrets?
@@exordis We are enjoying it. No regrets (and no repairs needed) so far, but we don't put a lot of miles on it. We'll be doing our next long escape-from-winter RV trip in March (4-5000 miles), and that's when it'll really get put to the test in terms of towing and off-roading. It's a bit hulking in parking lots, of course, but the 360 surround camera is pretty handy in tight spots.. Fuel economy has been maybe a bit better than expected (~20 mpg on the highway). The interior is really nice, the seats are comfortable, the sound system is excellent. So yeah, we would choose it again (and maybe it'd be even a bit cheaper than it was 6 months ago).
@@markweaver1012 I appreciate the response. I've been researching the full size SUV market for the wife. We dropped in size from a 2013 Expedition to a Grand Cherokee a few years back. Had the Expedition since new. She loved it, thought we wanted something smaller, but she misses the body on frame, size, interior room, etc. The 2013 Expedition had great rear leg room. Your legs were actually level, and not angled up. Looking for something with similar foot well and leg room, and possibly sliding middle seats. Seems the Armada doesn't have those. Have a safe trip in March.
@@exordis The Armada rear seats don't slide, but 2nd row leg room is not a problem. If you routinely want to put adults in the 3rd row, though, this is probably not the right vehicle.
Land Rover continues to make their older vehicles more valuable every day!!
As a Brit and an engineer I am so disappointed. Would love to defend the Defender (lol) but I think TFL approach has been more than patient enough.
I was hoping the new Defender was going to be awesome. But, let's face it...British, American, African...we are all driving Toyota. Lol
It's crazy how they still seem to like this vehicle after all these headaches. I think the Land Cruiser is overpriced, but the price difference between it and the Rover definitely makes it worth it. At least you know the Land Cruiser will last for 20+ years with just regular maintenance.
As another Brit I agree. I loved my old 110 and so want this one to work but continue to feel ‘embarrassed’ by having to try and defend it against others. Surely it should have shipped with a full coolant bottle if nothing else 🙄
I'm a Brit and would love to own a new Defender but sadly after watching several KZhead channels having problems I'll keep running my Shogun / pajero
I didn’t like the fact that they turned it into a glorified crossover but I wanted to give it a chance. I figured, if they could make it reliable maybe it would be a worthy replacement for the old truck. Well, as we can all see, that went out the window.
They always say when you go overlanding you need to bring two Land Rovers so you can strip one for parts to repair the other.
Yesterday my LC heritage edition got stocked in a deep ice ditch trying to avoid Honda suv keep sliding and almost go over the mountain. Question? What setting could best helped in our situation? We used 4L, crawl control but all 4 wheels spines. A caravan of Jeep overland guys used a winch to helped us😰
So land rover didn’t think their vehicles would go on a slight incline. 🤣
Lol, I mean really!
When offroading with a defender, make sure to bring an extra.
And not another Defender lol
Bring the LC200 to get you back.
nah i just take old defender and recover all toyotas and still make it back
@@sparticas9845 aww mr tough guy
@@sparticas9845 Pssh, you wish
So my defender had a similar problem on day 2 - driving to Tahoe and coolant level low light came on. It seems like there is a software / sensor calibration issue - topped up with some water and it’s fine. There was no real issue on the hardware or engine overheating.
Thank you. Great review. Shame about the defender but sadly did you expect anything else. Cheers
Defender must be comfortable while you're waiting for the tow truck!
Get some Aloe Vera; somebody just got burned.
You know what, I never thought about that. Your absolutely right. If it has a DVD player it would also help that wait be much nicer.
How am I more frustrated with the defender than the TFL boys!?!? Almost smashed my phone out of anger, then I remembered I own a Tacoma.
It Will out last that defender
Hear, hear! I’m thinking the same as I stare at my GX460
Same, I love my Tundra.
The coolant level sensor does float to determine the level. If you’re at an incline it can trip it for being low. Not sure if the Toyota or the Nissan has a sensor for coolant level. Usually they use an unpressurized overflow that can be checked and easily topped off. Some baffles in the reservoir in the Land Rover could solve the issue.
Legendary off-road capability, legendary reliability, we all know which one is best
LC for the win.
The armada is so underrated. Such a beast of an SUV
It's too big for anything other than pavement use which it's basically designed to be a minivan in SUV clothing.
Nissan has lost a lot of its credibility in the US market.
@@crazygooseventures you are wrong. And if you were paying attention, you would know why. The Armada is a rebadged Nissan Patrol which when properly equipped, is a world class 4x4, unlike the defender which is a minivan in SUV clothing and not even a reliable one.
@@MichaelMiller-rg6or I was paying attention. The Armada shares SOME similarities to the Patrol but the core off-road strengths that make the Patrol, a Patrol, were not carried into the Armada. TFL pretty much indicated the same thing in the vid. Secondly, the Armada is HUGE which for anything remotely off-road means it’s meant more for open spaces. Nissan at least for the NA market pretty much moved away from the off-road segment in any kind of meaningful way years ago (tragic to see what they did with the Pathfinder). As for the new Defender, when the tech works, they’re pretty capable but JLR can’t get out of its own way as far as quality control is concerned.
@@crazygooseventures i was kind of being a smartass. Everything you just said is correct. I wish we did get the “real” Nissan Patrol. Or that Nissan would revive the Xterra.
Watching all the Defender's trials and tribulations has been hilarious and utterly entertaining and has made me feel a whole lot better about my own vehicle.
Living in Colorado Springs. just purchased a 2021 Toyota 4Runner Limited 4WD. Returning from Rocky Mountain National Park, so far very impressed.
We had the same issue with our car (Skoda Kodiaq) - "cooler level low" - the service guy said it can be normal with new cars to have some air in the system - and from one second to the next the cooler level can go low .. refilled it, since that and sveral road trips no problems anymore .. wouldn't worry too much ;) on the other hand .. it's a british car.
Pretty sure my 98 rav4 is going to outlive me. 0 rust does really good in snow and the only part that I've replaced is the harmonic balancer pully. Glass head lights so no fogging. Its been a great car
Those are the best ones. We had a 99 Rav4 3 door in our family when I was growing up. I vividly remember how good of a vehicle it was.
What did you expect? Its a Toyota!
The Fast Lane is the single handed reason why I won’t even entertain the thought of looking at a Land Rover Defender.
LR must cringe at every new video posted making them lose sales. Even Doug demuro referenced them.
The old defender that they had was way more reliable, it was actually a good vehicle. Hopefully landrover can work out the bugs in this thing in the next couple years, or it wont look good for sales on this one.
The one they had on TFL.
@@kdrguru which video did he reference them in? I heard he was doing a cross country trip in his defender. He's definitely more confident in that car than I would be...
@@kdrguru it really didn’t have issues, it’s just the sensor. Who cares, nothing is actually wrong with it. Damn liar, Doug didn’t say nothing.
I see a lot of pple in the comment section talkin bad about the all new Defender , i think it's an incredible véhicule , lot of tech , yes a little bit of obsolescence but i think maybe the frameware maintenance from the official dealership will fix it , just give it time dudes and thks TFL for transparency ♥️ The new Armada and 2020 land cruiser are gorgeous From the land of rallye roads , Morocco 🏜️
Great review! btw, What's the biggest BFG KO2 tire that can be put on a stock 2023 Armada? Thanks!
It only has 500 miles and it already gave them 2 warning messages. I don't want to think how it will be when it has 50k miles and it's several years old. That Defender would be a hard pass for me.
Do you think that thing could actually make it to 50k miles? lol.
@@dedalliance1 If it does, it will be sitting at a "buy here pay here" used car lot for 5 grand waiting to get bought by a sucker who wants to look rich lol
@@abelreyna8781 lol, Very true.
Abel before the defender all you could get was a series LR , the last of the series were designated series 3 stage 1 you got a 3.5L v8 & LT85 gearbox from the rangerover those of us in Australia could opt for series3 stage 1 Isuzu (4bd1) predecessor to the army perentie. The 1 my dad had was purchased with 1,000,000 km he put another 500,000km on it before selling it with no breakdowns there is not a snowballs chance in hell a 2020 defender will crack 1,500,000 km
@@abelreyna8781 our defender x has 5,000 miles. No issues
Btw, here in the UK the latest unreliability figures had 3 vehicles from LR in the top 10 list. That's absolutely disgusting but not shocking. LR produce unreliable garbage and I won't endorse them or big them up because I'm English. Land Cruiser all the way for me, I pick up my 100 series diesel in February. I can't wait. Happy Christmas guys.
But why
@@wanyu2078 I wouldn’t shout home about toyota as an alternative. The people in the market for Lamd rover products will largely turn to Volvo and the Germans.
@@Horizon301. bcs LR is premium/luxury brand not like toyota and nissan are known by economic cars producers
@@lightshunshine3861 Lane Cruiser probably costs as much as LR if not more. Same thing with Toyota and VW, they cost more and are exceptionally inferior in comparison. Relatability does not come above aesthetics, interior quality and technology for me, nor does it for most uk new car buyers
@@Horizon301. you said that interior quality and tecnology is for you ? Bruhh, if that so why would LR sold their product with the same price with LC ? If the LC just to expensive then why they called that LC is living legend ? LC is known for taugh /rugged car and long lasting car even their main market are in asia and Middle east asia (the land of arab) or russia with the extreme condition thats LC is famous in arab countries. And dont forget that in many asian countries LR is way way more expensive than LC. In many case that most ppl use LR for Mall suv
I bought a land cruiser after your reviews. Thanks for all you do.
The defender might use a float sensor in the coolant overflow, I have seen issues with JLR floats, the bumping creates a semi buoyant float magnet, that the sensor reads as low. Get the reservoir replaced.
Christ, this is turning out to be a really bad advert for Land Rover😳
A new Land Rovers are a bad ad for Land Rover.
Dude. It is going from bad to worse 🥴🤦♂️
@@GoodLuckLive That's the whole point of carrying on !
I drove them in the days when they still went wrong but you could fix them yourself. I've avoided them since the late 1990s. I'm so ashamed to be British at the moment.
You read my mind!
Blaze needs a big dog bed with sticky grip on the bottom so he doesn't slide around. He would be much less nervous.
He fine, he a good doggy.
thats a great idea... keep the dog hair down to a minimum too
This might be their first dog ... and not realize that there is safety equipment for dogs so they don't get injured in a crash or tossed while 4wd-ing
@@woxie4990 its a tough dog, not a princess.
@@Pepe-dq2ib .. So you are a tough guy, with no Seatbelts or Airbags, right? Wake up Dude.
Honestly for a true test I would also equip every vehicle with the exact same tires. It’s AMAZING how you can have a night and day difference even with similar tread. Rubber composition can mean the difference between being stuck and continuing on. I’ve been off-roading for years and have come up on this MANY times.
The landcruiser is the most soled car in Australia for the last 60yrs They call it king of the road for a reason quality