As someone who is often involved in the G.O.A.T debate, how is it a player of Kobe's caliber was only able to capture one MVP award in a 20 year career?
Пікірлер
🚀🚀The Houston Rockets Will Be NBA Champions.....soon🚀🚀. kzhead.info/sun/l6-bnpeui3t_kps/bejne.html
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
Stay off the drugs son
@brianbutler2148 Жыл бұрын
One is better than nothing.....
@BouchIsOnTheLoose702 Жыл бұрын
You have to take an account also Kobe Bryant played in the Western conference and during that time the Western conference was the toughest conference also taking account the politics of the media when it came to voting for the MVP because you can argue that even 2008-2009 LeBron James was not better than Kobe Bryant
@andrejamison2723 Жыл бұрын
@@andrejamison2723 THAT MEANS GARNETT IS BEST PLAYER. BECAUSE HE PLAYED ALONE 13 YEARS. KOBE IS WAGON IN SUPERTREAM FROM DAY 1.
@PIP...33 Жыл бұрын
How was Kobe in 06 and 07 not reaching that historical level but Jokic did? Also Kobe won 46 games in 2006… Westbrook won MVP with 47 wins, Jokic with 48… Those two awards contradict Kobe losing.
@d.luvevo711 Жыл бұрын
That's a good point. The reason as to why Nikola and Russ won the MVP with under 50 wins and Kobe didn't is based on a few things. #1 They broke larger scale NBA records. Jokic set the regular season PER record that was previously held by Wilt Chamberlain and then he became the 1st player in NBA history to record 2,000 pts- 1,000 rebounds and 500 assist in a season. Westbrook also hit the triple double mark which hadn't been done before in a half century. On top of that they both led teams to a top 6 seed in their conference with little to no help. Russ also had a narrative boost since KD had left.
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
@@GamePointGP1 I love jokic and his record setting but his best player his first year was better than Kobe’s best player both those years 😂😂 jokic had Murray for his first MVP and had 5 players with 10+ ppg his 2nd mvp. Lakers finished top 3 both those years as for joker and the nuggets, they finished 3rd and 6th those two years. Smush Parker isn’t better than will barton or Aaron Gordon
@davidgator2540 Жыл бұрын
Big men always had the MVP if they have more stats and wins than most smaller players.
@criticalcerebral Жыл бұрын
Kobe was black balled by the Nba after the Colorado incident. Kobe was the best all around two way player in the league once Jordan retired in 98. Kobe remained the best all around two way player in the league til around 2012. Lebron was close but Lebron wasn't an animal on Defense like Kobe. Kobe has 12 All Defense, Lebron only 6. It's the 2 way dynamic that separates Kobe from the rest.
@jaydubb2005 Жыл бұрын
@@jaydubb2005 It's a possibility that might be the case. At the end of the day, for that to be true he needed to win at least 50+ games each year. If he checked all of the MVP boxes and won 50+ games and still didn't win a MVP, the NBA knew it was their best interest not to crown as the best player. The NBA doesn't like controversy in the Colorado case subject, but they love controversy if it only has to do with basketball.
@criticalcerebral Жыл бұрын
Kobe definitely should've gotten more MVP regular season awards but it is what it is. I remember Kobe leading a team that had both Smush Parker as the point guard and Chris Mihm as the center to the playoffs. That team was far worse than the Nuggets team that Jokic had with Murray and Jokic got a MVP.
@kellykell8439 Жыл бұрын
Stop it
@theetruth8626 Жыл бұрын
Facts
@dlogan7808 Жыл бұрын
@@theetruth8626 lol with your username you know it’s true!!!
@shoishoi14 Жыл бұрын
if u look in a context wise, jokic has ruined the regular season mvp award.
@rajathnayak5624 Жыл бұрын
@@rajathnayak5624 They probably can still award the NBA regular season MVP award the right way moving forward.
@kellykell8439 Жыл бұрын
I would argue kobe was the best player from 2003-2011
@HotGritz910 Жыл бұрын
If you think Kobe was better than Shaq in 2003-04, then you're mistaken. Kobe was the reason they lost that Finals to Detroit, while Shaq was dominant af. Unfortunately, Kobe wanted to take many more shots, and they weren't falling for him. Plus Shaq had a better season that year.
@vsmith3rd Жыл бұрын
@@vsmith3rd that's a good argument
@HotGritz910 Жыл бұрын
Kobe over Lebron in 2010 and 2011? 🤔
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
@@GamePointGP1 are we just looking at stats?
@HotGritz910 Жыл бұрын
@@GamePointGP1 yes Kobe led his team to championships during those years
@jon-fn7ob Жыл бұрын
if kobe played in the modern era i think a 2006 caliber season would be MVP since they are taking individual narratives/dominance a bit more seriously. He'd average like 37 era adjusted, dropping 81 and other crazy scoring outbursts leading to huge headlines and news. Kobe was a mega star and face of basketball despite not being on a contender.
@willocashh Жыл бұрын
Actually, he would average 40, era adjusted. He averaged 36% of the league team average in points in 06. But I agree with your sentiment.
@Levi-lr4vi Жыл бұрын
He woild probably drop 100 in this era
@peamut547 Жыл бұрын
@@Levi-lr4vi aha yeah ai that year era adjusted would b doin 38 lol it’s crazy how diff pace is
@revyty3134 Жыл бұрын
Harden averaged 35+ for two to three seasons and had a 50+ winning record and didn't win mvp so he wouldn't win an nba mvp even if you put 2006 into the modern era.
@bearwithme9433 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, Kobe was the best and most skilled 2 Way player in the Nba or 12-13 years.
@jaydubb2005 Жыл бұрын
The MVP has always been a popularity contest for the media. The media loved Shaq and chose Shaq's side during that nonsense rivalry. That solidified the fact that Kobe was never going to get the nod while they played together. Then once they split, the media chose sides which guaranteed Kobe wasn't going to get the nod. The Colorado case didn't help, and with the arrival of LeBron (the new media darling whom all of them wanted to be the greatest of all time so that they could say they called him the greatest since high school) it was just a waiting game for them until they could justify them giving him as many MVPs as possible. It always has been, and always will be, a popularity contest for the media. The players should be the only ones who vote for this award.
@jimmyrodriguez5670 Жыл бұрын
1) while kobe played with Shaq, Shaq was a way better player than Kobe, media had nothing to do with it. 2) Once Kobe and Shaq split, the media chose Kobes side. 3)Kobe didn't lose out on MVPs because of popularity, he was by far the most popular player in the league alongside lebron. Are you trying to tell me Nash,Duncan,KG were more popular than Kobe Bryant?
@bojanpejovic7691 Жыл бұрын
@@bojanpejovic7691 the fans don't vote for MVP. If you don't know this, why would you even comment? Putting numbers in front of opinions does not make those opinions facts.
@jimmyrodriguez5670 Жыл бұрын
@@jimmyrodriguez5670 oh, so you meant popular in the voting circles. What you are describing is agreeability then, not popularity. And while Kobe had a shit relationship with ESPN at the time due to his comments, he was absolutely more popular and a million times more marketable ( the important thing for media members ) even in media circles than Nash, Duncan and KG, and was up there with Lebron. The reason Kobe only won one MVP, is because he barely even deserved that one, go back and look at his production and records. Even Nash's second MVP would not have gone to him.
@bojanpejovic7691 Жыл бұрын
@@bojanpejovic7691 Duncan was the media darling and Kobe's trial ruined his marketability for years. It wasn't until the other players started to openly state that Kobe was the best in the league, that the media started giving him credit again. Duncan has 1 MVP that belongs to Jason Kidd, and another that belongs to KG or Kobe. I meant popularity, not agreeable. Don't change my words. My entire point was within the context of the MVP votes.
@jimmyrodriguez5670 Жыл бұрын
@@bojanpejovic7691 Not "way better" just "better". Kobe was no role player so saying Shaq was way better than him is crazy talk as they would not have won those championships without Kobe. And it is a popularity contest for the media so the guy is right. Why else would they be putting LeBron above Kobe and everybody on the all time list all the way at #2 before he even won a 4th championship. And he is still trailing Kobe to this day yet in media circles it is blasphemous to say Kobe is better than LeBron. The players should have more say.
@diegobromfield Жыл бұрын
I appreciate this video bro . A lot of Kobe hate lately . This makes my heart feel good to know that some aren’t blinded by the media
@jonathanhouck180 Жыл бұрын
Maybe it's not hate it's reality Jordan carried his team to 3 eastern conference finals before Pippen develop Kobe was missing playoffs and 1st round exits when Shaq left Jordan impact was way greater than Kobe
@theetruth8626 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. 💯
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
The 9 first team all-nba defense selections says it all. Even if he averaged 16 points per game he would still be HOF material. But he was also an offensive force that got game planned against.
@Jacob_Spang Жыл бұрын
he didn't deserve any of those he wasn't a great defender
@Blanco6612 Жыл бұрын
@@Blanco6612 He certainly didn't deserve nine of them and got at least a couple through reputation, him getting it over Rondo in 2012 was a joke for example. But to say he didn't deserve any? That is just showing your lack of knowledge.
@safe3220 Жыл бұрын
@@safe3220 get off my dick
@Blanco6612 Жыл бұрын
Miss you so much Bean! RIP you Gigi and all the others 🙏🙏❤️❤️🙏
@johnjones9901 Жыл бұрын
Hakeem Should Have 93 94 95 MVPs hand down best Player and True MVP those Years.
@SEYEBOY Жыл бұрын
Kobe should have 5 MVP'S 2003 2006 2007 2008 and 2009
@user-pn2pi6jb9w Жыл бұрын
in 2002 Kobe was the best player in the leage and avg 30.6 ppg 6.9rpg and 5.9apg to me he was robbed that year best 2-way in the league clear but the narrative hurt him because they kept talking bout he got shaq and honestly that's what hurt him and shaq plus honestly the media most was not feeling kobe because of the jordan comparison. Kobe was the best payer in the league from 2002-2010 IMO
@Tonyoung55 Жыл бұрын
I think he even showed flashes of being the best still up until he tore his achilles.
@MasterRoshiSama Жыл бұрын
Yes I agree
@nicknight2129 Жыл бұрын
Not really
@jasonmoukala8909 Жыл бұрын
Nah shaq was better from 2000 to 03 and Duncan was in 03. Kobe was better from 04-10
@jasonmoukala8909 Жыл бұрын
@@jasonmoukala8909 I disagree but they all great Kobe is simply a better overall player to me then SHAQ on ring 2 definitely ring 3 people regard SHAQ higher then what it was because of the championship round but in the players they were usually equals and Kobe was a better overall player so I edge him
@Tonyoung55 Жыл бұрын
Just watched a video of Kobe saying that he really doesn't care about winning MVP, his desire was to win as many championships as possible and he won 5 !
@lesliebarber206 Жыл бұрын
And that's the essence of The Mamba Mentality. Solely focused on the mission. 🐍
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
Kobe won 5 because he played with Shaq. 3 of them were “coattail chips.”
@attainingknowledgeoftruth8348 Жыл бұрын
@Attaining Knowledge of Truth I agree the 1st ring could be seen as a "coattails" championship (granted Kobe did get hurt in the finals and missed essentially 2 games) I have to say that Kobe was just as integral in The Lakers winning in 01 and 02. Shaq was the better player in 01, but it wasn't by much, and by 02, they were a 1A 1B.
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
@@GamePointGP1, This is my point. Say you swap Kobe for T Mac. The Lakers still win 3 chips in 2000,2001,2002. But if you take Shaq off those teams then the Lakers don’t win any of those chips. Most people have Kobe in top 10 all time but not Shaq. This is asinine. Kobe is overrated and Shaq is underrated.
@attainingknowledgeoftruth8348 Жыл бұрын
@@attainingknowledgeoftruth8348 I disagree if anything I'd say if shaq wasnt there Kobe would have still won a couple maybe not a 3 peat but he would have won if he managed to win 2 without shaq than I'm sure he we would have had more
@TheRealDarth_Vader Жыл бұрын
Rest In Peace Mamba 🙏🏼
@erikpenabella599 Жыл бұрын
Just discovered this channel, and I can already tell you’re gonna be big. P.S. I really appreciate the Batman music at the end!
@dryames4319 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! That really means the world to me. 💯 And yeah, I really liked how The Batman music added to the moment.
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
He wanted his team to win championships. He's a true legend
@outdoorluxuries2887 Жыл бұрын
#MambaMentality🐍
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
Why did he sell his team in 2004?
@papadoc331 Жыл бұрын
@@GamePointGP1 WHAT MENTALITY ?? U MEAN WAGON. NAME ONE HOF IN GARNETT TEAM OR KOBRICK IS NOBODY...
@PIP...33 Жыл бұрын
@@papadoc331 He was tired of shaq getting all the love and everyone acting like he carried kobe so kobe wanted to prove in the o4 finls that he could be better and failed but he got better and won in 09,10
@ibrahimmohamed490 Жыл бұрын
@@PIP...33 What?
@ibrahimmohamed490 Жыл бұрын
As much as I am a Steve Nash fan, I would objectively say that Kobe deserved the 2005-2006 MVP season title.
@bryanperalta740 Жыл бұрын
One thing that messed him up was The average mvp type player is drafted to a sorry team who by year 4-6 has figured out the right kind of team to put around him. That player then hits their stride both individually & with team success & thats when the mvp's come. Kobe's career didn't line up like that. He started his career with shaq who was not only a great player but was older than kobe & lost his prime a couple of years premature. when he left the lakers the lakers had to rebuild around kobe & that simply takes time. So kobe "wasted" 3 years of his prime (probably the best 3) on really bad & average coached teams.
@Osei_Bean_8ryant Жыл бұрын
Kobe was hated by the media back then because he does not conform to what they want him to be. He could've easily won 3 times. When Nash won 2x, I thought Kobe should've won one of them.
@jackhazz5777 Жыл бұрын
He didn’t deserve either of those years
@jasonmoukala8909 Жыл бұрын
@@jasonmoukala8909 I guess you prefer a Nash backed up by a loaded Suns that got pushed to the limit by Kobe with Smush Parker. Well, everyone has their own preference.
@jackhazz5777 Жыл бұрын
Once Nash got 2 and LBJ stuck at 4, I realized that’s not a metric to judge players
@Cheif_Espada Жыл бұрын
@@Cheif_Espada Lebron deserved all his MVPs. And if you want to use media bias, just remember those same voters vote All Defense as well and it only accounts for the regular season..
@christopherd.3291 Жыл бұрын
Kobe only won one MVP because the media absolutely hated him and did everything they could to suppress his shine. The league was no different. He didn't bow, they didn't like it, they were against him, and it was obvious... all the way up to his death and even after. These "what ifs", and "why nots" were because the media downplayed tf out of Kobe his whole career. What if Kobe would've started his first three years? What if he wasn't asked to "dial it back" to keep Shaq's lazy ass happy? What if the Chris Paul trade wouldn't have been vetoed by David Stern? What if he wouldn't have gotten hurt? What if the entire NBA and the media didn't completely stack against Kobe his whole career? What if they would've worshiped him like a God like they did Jordan? What if the Lakers organizations would've put someone with him besides Kwame Brown? How much money in profit have the Lakers made off of Kobe? What if he wouldn't have had to challenge Big Pharma, and he was still here? Kobe Bryant - the most underrated basketball player of all time. RIP GOAT
@Azidonis Жыл бұрын
In Kobe’s Prime they were discounting his performance because he played with SHAQ. They didn’t subtract from Curry for playing with Durant.
@anthonyyoung6433 Жыл бұрын
I mean, Curry wasn't winning MVPs when he was playing with KD.
@jamespuso1627 Жыл бұрын
nah people do discredit curry for winning with durant most of it goes go durant himself tho
@CMXR Жыл бұрын
Yes they did until he GSW won last season without Durant. The same way some people were claiming Shaq carried Kobe until he won 2 without him.
@coreydorsey4121 Жыл бұрын
People discredit Curry for playing with the players he played with all the time. Where have you been for the past five years?
@safe3220 Жыл бұрын
this is the content I like. Very well said. You earned yourself a sub
@LCfamily77 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! 🙏🏿 I really appreciate that. ✊🏿💯
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
Kobe was easily the best player from 04-10. He has less MVP’s due to media narratives. I also would argue that KD was the best player in the league in 2014. Unfortunately, a false accusation was detrimental to Kobe’s legacy. We were being spoon fed KOBE the great and he deserved it and we loved it until that 04 season.
@brettkling7064 Жыл бұрын
2004 is a debatable start point for Kobe the best. However, I can't say he was better than Lebron in 2010. I would also have to disagree with KD being the best in the league in 2014. He was having an amazing season but Lebron was clearly #1. To an extent I agree with the media narrative but the real reason he didn't win more was because earlier he wasn't winning enough and later there were players who were either better or doing better than him.
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
@FlaxOFF While I agree with the competition aspect, I don't think that's a direct reason as to why Kobe would be better than Lebron in 2010. There have been years in NBA history in which the best player in the league does not play in the strongest conference in the league.
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
@FlaxOFF That he did, but Lebron won more games with a worse roster. With the MVP being a regular season award it's understandable why Lebron won it over Kobe.
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
@OnlyFatSnapz 🙄🙄🙄
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
We are all partial to certain players. It’s obvious you are a massive Lebron fan. Lol KD averaged 7 points more a game in 14 with a non custom super built team. Lol
@brettkling7064 Жыл бұрын
Great video man
@samgohpastarem5117 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! That means a lot to me. 💯
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
In my opinion Kobe was the best player in the NBA from 2002-13. He was putting up great numbers along with winning. Not winning the MVP in 2009 was a robbery.
@Arsenal1410 Жыл бұрын
Not true
@applycontext9161 Жыл бұрын
Your smoking crack
@Kendricktimes22 ай бұрын
It always haunts me that he should've got more MVPs in my view he deserves 5 at least, guy was a killer, miss you brother
@jasleensandhu2791 Жыл бұрын
Five?? That's a lot. What years should he have won all 5?
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
@@GamePointGP1he can't give you that answer he's just a fan boy!😅😅😅
@stephenwilliams7200 Жыл бұрын
@@stephenwilliams7200 fan boy?? You know me bruh ?? Hiw can u make a statement on me ??? I mean dont get me wrong, im very respectfull person and i dont say anything to anyone without knowing them,
@jasleensandhu2791 Жыл бұрын
@@jasleensandhu2791which 5 seasons did he deserve mvp? Id say 2 maybe 3
@t-god2439 Жыл бұрын
@@t-god2439 there was lots of kobe hatters in that era, because nba commissioner and coaches and many other important figures were so close to jordan and they had made jordan the best player in past and future and locked and threw the key, so even if any other player would have reached more rings or mvp or whatever but majority will have hard time admiring that, now if u look at more rings and judge the player by it then bill Russell is top, if more points then kareem, if more dominant then wilt and shaq, if more three poiners then curry, and if more killer instinct and more hard work more hours in the gym more years with the same team then only one name and that's kobe, ask that to any player in the league so those are my reasons he deserves mote MVPS
@jasleensandhu2791 Жыл бұрын
Yeah he definitely deserves more MVP but we all know why he doesn't have more because of that accusation.
@kingofkingz235 Жыл бұрын
His historic season he should’ve won it … I think it was the season that he scored 81.
@MrEOM414 күн бұрын
This video sold me, earned a sub off this one my G!
@cuhmunitycarr140 Жыл бұрын
Kobe was the players MVP, the players knew who was the “Jordan” of the league
@boston_jorge Жыл бұрын
Absolutely. 💯
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
The way MVP’s go in recent history is sort of a back to back trend. In the 90’s it was Jordan getting back to backs, Tim Duncan and Steve Nash in the 2000’s, Lebron, Steph, Giannis in the 2010’s, and now Jokic in the 2020’s. Other MVPs were pretty deserving of their awards when Kobe had a chance like Dirks 2007 season after they lost in the finals came back and dominated to 67 wins but got upset by the Warriors. Nash was running a high powered offense with winning results in the regular season and changed the tempo of the NBA. Kevin Garnett was a two way force himself in 2004. And then Lebron started his run after Kobe’s mvp season.
@marcuscastillo514 Жыл бұрын
Colorado is why. RIP Kobe legend
@RDL7Pro Жыл бұрын
I understand the "robbery," (performance great, with average winnings which affected 'criteria' fit) as many awardings for many stars were 'mis-assigned' per criteria thus falling short...and why the need for 'hardship history' (criteria addition boost) [Note referencing my previous comment: 'Too much Mike,' was referring to the Jordan 'mystique' fans were imprinted with, making it tough for Kobe to be free of subliminal comparison.] Kobe, and I loved his 'fluid' game, he ran into 'expectation' (the fan's neural conditioning due to Jordan in the guard spot...they awarded MVP to 'others,' in Jordan's 'MVP snub' case also). Mimicking play style of Jordan (yes Mike shared knowledge, techniques with Kobe, others got mad as he turned them down) was possibly perceived by most fans as NOT surpassing Jordan...as his UNC knowledge base made Jordan "gel" through and through, very smart, efficient in movements and execution precision. Jordan = Winner, and reason several 'greats' could not obtain rings, Kobe WAS very close though, defensively too. Why skill AND perception plays into it: Like many, I am familiar with public reactions and percetions, AND great ball. BUT, I saw Jordan's idols (Dr. J. etc.) play live in Greensboro, NC in the ABA in 70's, grew up with "UNC, Two rings 'Showtime' Laker great Bob McAdoo, NBA MVP, 3× Scoring Champ" (and went to UNC 'with' Jordan, saw his NCAA 'performance'). Jordan was robbed in 97 by Malone (but Jordan already had 4 MVPs and "bored fans wanted a change"), and Jordan also should have MVP for 90 and 93! [ SEE the video link, many bad MVP's,] 👉Kobe wasn't only one shafted.💯] kzhead.info/sun/ZL5-pJVvj6aue6s/bejne.html ...and Kobe SHOULD be more discussed whenever Jordan - LeBron 🐐 talk spews!
@alanjones4683 Жыл бұрын
I am glad I'm the only thought Jordan was robbed of MVP in 1997. Don't get me wrong Malone was a very good player, but Jordan led his team to another near 70 game winning season. I don't know why the NBA didn't give Jordan the MVP in 1997. I think the case could be made that he should have wom MVP in 1993, but lost to Barkley, another good player, but Jordan was on another caliber in 1993. God Bless.
@mrpsycholeojoey87 Жыл бұрын
Kobe, career-wise, fell into a perfect storm of situations that made NBA fans take him for granted.
@billyclutch Жыл бұрын
Good debate!
@pastorsavage808 Жыл бұрын
🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
09 and 10 that went to LeBron should have been Kobe's MVPs. Those were the Back to Back and Redeem Team chips. Also one of Nash's back to back MVPs. That should be Kobe 4 LeBron 2 and Nash 1
@MrEliasdl Жыл бұрын
😬😬 I don't think I could give 2010 Lebron's MVP to Kobe. 2009 is debatable and even then I would say it still favors Lebron. What Bron was doing with that Cleveland team was unbelievable.
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
Kobe stans are delusional
@attainingknowledgeoftruth8348 Жыл бұрын
Both of Brons years he averaged more in every statistical category, shot better than kobe, and had better records. How the fuck could they ever be Kobes?
@bojanpejovic7691 Жыл бұрын
Not even close. Bron deserved those
@jasonmoukala8909 Жыл бұрын
Those 2 rings past his prime is sweeter than mvps.. regular season is good but the Finals makes you immortal..mamba out
@thes.g.b.experience5015 Жыл бұрын
its crazy because former and current players talk about kobe like he is a top 3 goat but the media and fans (for the most part dont. in my eyes he was the most dominant wing I have ever seen. born in 95 btw so i saw Wizards MJ
@paintballJohn2 Жыл бұрын
His lone mvp could have gone to cp3.. it was arguable
@willanjosefflee3777 Жыл бұрын
I agree Kobe should have gotten more MVP’s but the guy who was really shortchanged on that score was MJ. He should have had AT LEAST 2-3 more than he did get.
@your_royal_highness Жыл бұрын
No. Maybe 1997 not the other years. Mj didnt carry his team from likr 1990
@papadoc331 Жыл бұрын
@@papadoc331 it’s not a matter of “carrying” a team. It’s a matter of how well that team would have likely performed without him. There were years BEFORE 1990 (besides the times he won then) where it could be argued he deserved it. But, for the most part it’s purely subjective
@your_royal_highness Жыл бұрын
@@your_royal_highness i think the only mvp he didnt get but shoulf have is 1997. The other ones had to carry a far larger load and still win
@papadoc331 Жыл бұрын
@@papadoc331 Like I said, it’s subjective
@your_royal_highness Жыл бұрын
This video is about kobe lol. At least mj did get 5. But 1??? We all know that's bull
@dlogan7808 Жыл бұрын
It’s MVP award but they take into consideration team success. If you put Kobe’s prime stats against MVPs Kobe for sure deserves more than 1. Kobe literally dragged LA in 06 to the 7th seed
@drewmeyer9679 Жыл бұрын
One MVP probably had something to do with Colorado
@bwp2bruce Жыл бұрын
Should’ve won at least 3 MVP’s.
@rickydamiron8762 Жыл бұрын
I can't say he should have won 3 MVP's given the criteria. But if the award was charged to "best player in the league award" then yes, Kobe would have at least 3. 💯
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
Yessir
@rebelwitacause536 Жыл бұрын
Should of won two not three
@ethancbaker2002 Жыл бұрын
@@ethancbaker2002 no 5. 03 06 07 08 09
@robbereal1982 Жыл бұрын
@@robbereal1982 Kobe wasn’t better than Duncan and Lebron
@ethancbaker2002 Жыл бұрын
For sure should’ve won at least one more mvp
@zigghiggs Жыл бұрын
One thing is for sure, he barely deserved the one he got in 2008.
@PygmaApril Жыл бұрын
Do people really need to debate this? Post Colorado incident, the Media HATED Kobe for years till they won the Gold Medal (the redeem team). That's when they fell in love with him again. Kobe was robbed of at least 2 MVP in that span.
@strykrpinoy Жыл бұрын
Kobe’s a Goat 💯💜💛
@yourwallet409 Жыл бұрын
No doubt. One of the best to ever do it. 💯
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
without a doubt the Dark Knight
@thatMonster24 Жыл бұрын
Kobe played in an era when there was some ballers with that being said he probably should have one more. You could say the same for shaq also
@olajawanmagee768 Жыл бұрын
He was robbed multiple times SMH
@koimatai4600 Жыл бұрын
While it makes sense a player like him would have won more, given the criteria I can't say he was robbed.
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
Shaq only has 1 M.V.P also, and for most of there time together Shaq was better but I could easily say they both should have more.
@odsickson1 Жыл бұрын
Shaw was never better than Kobe on the lakers. Shaw was better under the basket and that was it. No jumper, no free throws and no 3 point shooter. In fact Shaw was sometimes a liability due to “hack a Shaq”
@teteo.2408 Жыл бұрын
Shaq**
@teteo.2408 Жыл бұрын
Shaq was clearly better up until about 2002. In 02 they were a 1A 1B and by 2003 Kobe was the better player.
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
@@teteo.2408 stop
@jasonmoukala8909 Жыл бұрын
Kobe definitely should have got it 09-10 season that season was so underrated and he hit like 7 game winners that season and won a championship getting his revenge on Boston
@bigbenji__ Жыл бұрын
He didn’t deserve it that year
@jasonmoukala8909 Жыл бұрын
@@jasonmoukala8909 Lebron didn’t either
@bigbenji__ Жыл бұрын
@@bigbenji__ never said he did
@jasonmoukala8909 Жыл бұрын
@@jasonmoukala8909 he won it that year that’s what I’m referring to
@bigbenji__ Жыл бұрын
I blame this on media and Kobe himself. First of all, media was not the same when Kobe playing, if his prime was around 2010-2020 era, he would've been celebrated more with IG/FB/Twitter, imagine fans calling Ben Simmons scoring 25 points a "beast" while Kobe easily did it on a almost a nightly basis. Two, during Kobe's time, he played to a high standard that a 20 point game is already a bad night for him. While Jokic got 2 MVPs without winning rings.
@enargy5890 Жыл бұрын
I see what you're saying. Just remember the MVP is a regular season award, winning or not winning a ring is not a factor.
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
@@GamePointGP1 I agree. My only point is they would not even make it to the finals, not to mention in the top 1 seed 2008-2010 if he was not doing MVP numbers during the season. Jokic and Nuggets were only the 3 seed when he won back to back MVPs.
@enargy5890 Жыл бұрын
Ai said it best what they forgot 💯
@bigraychills8295 Жыл бұрын
💯
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
MVP FORMULA: #1 Media decides current criteria, no exceptions #2 No one will ever get voted the equivalent of Jordan. His legacy must be protected at all costs
@Cheif_Espada Жыл бұрын
Stop lying Jordan made 3 eastern conference finals before Pippen develop while Kobe was missing playoffs and 1st round exits when Shaq left remember Kobe had to get the 3 headed monsters Gasol Bynum and Odom before he could even win anything
@theetruth8626 Жыл бұрын
2006 was a robbery. Don't give me that 7th seed bs. That team doesn't win 10 games without him.
@Hoopr32 Жыл бұрын
So MVP should be awarded to a guy on the 7th or 8th seed every year? This argument is asinine, every year there is some great player that scores a lot of points and drags a bad team to the playoffs. It's telling that the bar as to be set so low for Kobe.
@jacoblee5796Ай бұрын
People forget Kobe played with shaq which helped him win rings. But the down side to that is you miss out on individual accolades.
@hellraisinpbnjscat9710 Жыл бұрын
Anyone saying Kobe should've won more than 1 MVP award is either a die hard fan or someone that wasn't up to date with the NBA during those years where Kobe played. As matter of fact CP3 should've won the MVP award that year Kobe got it
@cayero Жыл бұрын
CP3 over Kobe in '08...that's an interesting take. What makes you feel CP3 deserved it more?
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
@@GamePointGP1 I just remember following the NBA that season and thinking CP3 should have earned MVP. However, I checked the numbers. LA finished 57-25. CP3's Hornets finished 56-26. The Lakers had Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom and Kobe in their roster. Heck of a squad. The Hornets Had CP3 and 1time All Star Tyson Chandler who never averaged more than 11 points a game. CP3 had a better FG as well as 3point percentage. He also led the league in assists as well as steals that year and had a better defensive rating than Kobe that year. In my opinion he was a better player that season.
@cayero Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@jasonmoukala8909 Жыл бұрын
2001, 2006 and 2013 he deserves the MVP. He should have four total. You can take away the 2013, I’ll give you that, but the other years, I really think he was the MVP.
@cameronj9890 Жыл бұрын
2003
@Heie_ Жыл бұрын
Definitely not 01 06 or 13
@jasonmoukala8909 Жыл бұрын
@@Heie_ no way
@jasonmoukala8909 Жыл бұрын
Kobe was the best player in the league from 2002-2010. 06 Kobe was a beast
@det4ever94 Жыл бұрын
Stop lying Shaq was the best player since Jordan left in 98 to 04 then it was Tim Duncan
@theetruth8626 Жыл бұрын
@@theetruth8626 Tim had two MVPs during your shaq time. Lakers 3 peat because of the dynamic duo. Shaq was dominate but Tim hung right in there in all aspects. Awards, all stars and 3-2 finals difference by 2004. Just saying
@marcuscastillo514 Жыл бұрын
This is why mvps are on the lower part of goat debates for me. I based it off what players actually can control Championship, Stats. Mvps are just a way the media feels important to basketball and to narrative and 98% of the media never touched a nba floor
@melgoat Жыл бұрын
Can they really control championships tho
@jasonmoukala8909 Жыл бұрын
@@jasonmoukala8909 yes
@Therealstizz Жыл бұрын
Kobe should of had 3 MVPs at the most..
@angelofdeath8933 Жыл бұрын
He should’ve won it in ‘09
@BishopM1 Жыл бұрын
There's a case to be made that he could have won it in 2009, but maaaaan Lebron was unstoppable that season. It's tough to say he didn't deserve it.
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
Top seed in the very tough western conf
@fwank2023 Жыл бұрын
Not at all
@jasonmoukala8909 Жыл бұрын
@@GamePointGP1 he had just as good stats but more wins in a tougher conference and more win share
@BishopM18 ай бұрын
AI put it perfectly. "They forgot or something?"
@diegobromfield Жыл бұрын
💯💯💯💯💯
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
Shout out to AI he knew wassup
@Bungalow339 Жыл бұрын
If it were up the the fans, players and coaches to vote Kobe be at least a 5 time MVP! He was hated by espn and media. FACTS!
@letthenukesfly2311 Жыл бұрын
I really think the MVP isn’t all that anymore. That’s just me.
@OnlyDuckSauce Жыл бұрын
I can see where you're coming from. I think it is both underrated and overrated at the same time.
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
been meaningless since russ won
@John-yp2ho Жыл бұрын
@@John-yp2ho I wouldn't say "meaningless" but I can see where the manner in which it is awarded has turned some people off.
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
@@John-yp2ho facts😂😂
@americanfresh17 Жыл бұрын
Media chose kobe to the villain and god was he amazing
@drogerflav6350 Жыл бұрын
One of the 3 best peaks in NBA history as a talent.
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
Biggest reason why : The Rape Allegations. that stopped people in the media from supporting Kobe openly.
@midnightlumina7 Жыл бұрын
Yet was still getting All NBA/Defensive team selections, yet can’t tell me the objective year he deserved a 2nd MVP
@ericdupree8603 Жыл бұрын
he deserved more but lets be honest. mvp awards don't really matter when it comes to measuring one's greatness. mvp is almost always awarded to one of the best players in the league with the best story, which makes perfect sense as they are voted by the media. To be fair to the media, i think they did decent job, if you look back at all the players that won, most mvps are acceptable. the only issue i have is steve nash winning back to back. Kobe was on a rampage shredding everyone 05-06 season when he was averaging 35.4pts per game.
@ruffgook Жыл бұрын
Kobe was in the tops...but it's just "too much Mike23!" due to10 scoring titles, 2×3Peats (no 7th game), defense that shut down anyone and still score his points...all while endlessly dependable to play full season and NEVER LET UP! A great model for Kobe to "...follow but failed to surpass!"
@alanjones4683 Жыл бұрын
So you're saying that's why Kobe didn't win more MVP's?
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
@@GamePointGP1 A silent contributing factor...opened door to consider alternate outcome due to this and other criteria intensive considerations.
@alanjones4683 Жыл бұрын
Mike was a deadly scorer, but Mike also 33 shots per game and crazy numbers like that to get all of those titles. Kobe was a more accomplished offense player than Mike with better total skills by far, hence 81 point game and all of that jazz,
@warrenmckeithen2245 Жыл бұрын
Alan Jones you are funny. Kobe was definitely robbed fuck the criteria my eyes seem the careers of both these men. To say Kobe wasn’t enough like Mike is a misleading non fact. He was the only Kobe and that is all he needed to be.
@Kommunik8Moor Жыл бұрын
@@Kommunik8Moor Kobe was great (and "shorted" an earned MVP), fought current peer performance and "walked in the shadow" of the one who passed the torch (who was ALSO short changed on MVP's while sharing his secrets with Kobe). Mike set expectations, Kobe was "close," but the process was too big for Kobe to overcome. Out of his many years in the league, only one MVP (an admirable handful of scoring titles, like Steph, etc. as opposed to HANDS FULLS) reflects the fan's memory of "the highest level of consistency on both ends of floor by the most prolific scorer (life average reflects that), that Kobe fell short of - in other words - Kobe didn't create enough "stat distance" to remove reasons to deny him! Period! Mike did something about it...Kobe did not. (I feel 🎯Kobe earned another MVP for sure, but was refused "...for other personal or marketing reasons we will never know for sure!" They could do it only so many times for Mike before fan blowback! They both were hit!)
@alanjones4683 Жыл бұрын
Kobe deserved it in 2010.. but they snubbed him because they felt he had a great team which he did but he had a hand in putting that team together and wheeling them to the championship
@peaceonearth9794 Жыл бұрын
that DOES make him the most VALUABLE player..........cuz(@that time)..........WITHOUT HIM..........
@ministerbrandonkimble5402 Жыл бұрын
As a I was in high school in his real glory days he deserved at least 3 mvps definetly take one from nash
@dustinpictou1927 Жыл бұрын
And Duncan and nowitzki
@smiffenwesson2281 Жыл бұрын
Facts
@dlogan7808 Жыл бұрын
He wasn’t winning enough games to take one from Nash. Especially in 05.
@deepwaterrehab7685 Жыл бұрын
@@deepwaterrehab7685 Yes he should have because the way they give the MVP award out now guys with not top records get it as long as their stats are good.. Nicola jokic
@smiffenwesson2281 Жыл бұрын
@@smiffenwesson2281 Jokic rewrote the record books last year on PER. That’s why he got it.
@deepwaterrehab7685 Жыл бұрын
Kobe in 06 not getting the MVP was a robbery.
@je6698 Жыл бұрын
True. He absolutely had a case to win it.
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
They didn't like Kobe he wasn't a puppet he's my GOAT RIP King Kobe MAMBA BEAN BRYANT 🙏
@jamesgamero7733 Жыл бұрын
I agree with AI. I think it’s really disrespectful every time ESPN has one of these debates about “who is the goat Michael Jordan or LeBron James?” I understand LeBron is going to retire with probably the best stats ever but like Jalen Rose said, stats aren’t everything. And I’m not a LeBron James hater at all I think he gets way too much heat but LeBron is having great stats this year while he’s losing. This is the worst year for a LeBron James team ever but he’s still putting up great numbers but those stats don’t really matter at the end of the day if you’re losing. I think LeBron James is great but the people that argue that he’s the goat are clinging to stats and only stats. And I’m sorry the whole “he went to the NBA finals nine times in a row” doesn’t really hold up to real basketball fans and players or coaches when if you go to the finals nine times in a row and during those nine trips to the finals you only walked away with three championships, it doesn’t really matter how his stats were in those nine times. Look I’m not saying stats don’t matter because all the greats have amazing stats but it was never the end-all be-all in the goat discussion and tell people had to change the argument to fit LeBron James in if you have to change the argument to fit your guy then he’s not the goat. I thought everyone at ESPN had really lost their minds from 2008 to 2010 because they kept saying every year it was going to be the Lakers versus the Cleveland Cavaliers and LeBron was going to beat the Lakers. Kobe made it to the finals every one of those years and walked away with two championships and LeBron couldn’t even make it to the dance and that made those Nike puppet commercials with LeBron James and Kobe Bryant look really silly that anyone was even having the argument oh and by the way the two teams LeBron James couldn’t get through which made him finally leave Cleveland and go start an All-Star team in Miami, Boston in Orlando, those were the two teams Kobe Bryant beat for his last two championships. If you would’ve told Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant and Larry Bird and Magic Johnson that in 2022 winning multiple titles wasn’t what made you a goat but your stats they could’ve easily stuffed their stats in regular season games that didn’t matter. The reason that people that don’t have a bias to make the argument and have an agenda for LeBron James as the goat never put stats above championships was because everyone knew winning multiple championships was much harder than stats. So all that being said I absolutely believe that Kobe Bryant should have had more than one NBA Reagan VP. The way the MVP is decided really isn’t who the best player in the league is unfortunately, it’s who’s the best player in the lead on a team that has a certain amount of wins over 500. And during Kobe‘s prime unfortunately even though he was the greatest player in the league the Lakers weren’t a good team. It was Kobe Bryant and Lamar Odom and they really didn’t start getting good until 2006 and that 2006 and 2007 season I think hands-down Kobe should’ve gotten the MVP. I personally believe that Kobe should’ve won the MVP award from 2007 through 2010 every year. He should’ve had four league in VPs but because the NBA really wanted LeBron James as the face of the league, and the minute he went to Miami they stopped giving him that kind of love but I really do think that’s why Kobe was robbed of three league in VPs was because they were trying to get people to forget about Kobe. Michael Jordan is the goat and I would never say that Kobe or LeBron is better than him it amazes me that 98% of the people that watched all three of these players play give it to Michael Jordan but it’s everyone who never saw Michael play and didn’t really start watching the NBA until around 2011 don’t even care to go back and watch old Team of the NBA 20 years before. My generation has no problem giving props to Magic Johnson Larry Bird even though we were too young to really understand their greatness but we still give them props because they deserve it they were great, they are legends.
@bdr113080 Жыл бұрын
Well learn the difference it's called impact Kobe was missing playoffs and first round exits when Shaq left he didn't start winning nothing until the 3 headed monsters Gasol Bynum and Odom was on his team while LeBron had nothing and made the NBA finals off his back beating the same team that dam there swept Kobe and Shaq but Bron did it alone
@theetruth8626 Жыл бұрын
Love subbing to an nba channel like this. I see great success on the way road to 100 subs 👍
@mopy6653 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! This comment really made my day. 💯
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
11 nba first teams is terrific
@enhancementtank5876 Жыл бұрын
Kobe, was TOP GUNS MAVERICK. THE MOST SKILLED BUT LESS RESPECTED. # TOP 5
@Westlyn80 Жыл бұрын
The skill thing again means nothing. Marc Gasol is better than Shaq in the high post and the mid post, he’s a better 3 point shooter, FT shooter and mid range shooter, he is a better ball handler, a better playmaker/passer, a better on ball defender, help defender and ball denier, and better at the pick and roll, both as a screener/defender Now tell me which player is better? Skillset doesn’t equate to impact
@hardwoodthought1213 Жыл бұрын
Not really a fan but he deserved more.
@thereasonwhy5188 Жыл бұрын
I can respect that. 💯
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
People forget he was all Defensive as well. he did it on both ends. If you're putting Luka as your candidate this year, then you better believe Kobe deserved more MVP's.
@earvinmanansala5213 Жыл бұрын
Naw bruh the difference was impact Kobe was missing playoffs and first round exits when Shaq left Luka made a conference finals with no franchise players on his rosters total difference
@theetruth8626 Жыл бұрын
@@theetruth8626 MVP is a regular season award. what happens in the playoffs are irrelevant.
@earvinmanansala5213 Жыл бұрын
@@earvinmanansala5213 and the regular season there's a thing called teams record right or wrong? Last I checked the MVP race is based off who's the most impactful player for their team with a winning record correct so how many MVPs do Tim Duncan supposed to have then should be the question ❓
@theetruth8626 Жыл бұрын
@@theetruth8626 I’m specifically talking about those that want Luka to win this year so early when they have a negative record.
@earvinmanansala5213 Жыл бұрын
But you can’t compare what happens in today’s NBA to 2000’s. It’s basically entirely new generation with only Lebron and Chris Paul as that last bit of 2000s stars. Just because Jokic has won two MVPs in this time doesn’t mean we have to think Kobe should have more than a player like Jokic. He got 1 in his career and that’s enough.
@marcuscastillo514 Жыл бұрын
Kobe played in the best BB decade imo. I think he still only deserves 1 mvp and that was for 06. CP3 should’ve been 08 MVP imo.
@yrnxkj7607 Жыл бұрын
love the dark knight music at the end
@mrmvprobas Жыл бұрын
Thank you! 😁 I really thought it added to the moment.
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
You know what this is about. The medias pure disdain for Kobe. Plus the MJ fans who are in the media hate him for pattering his game after his airiness. AI know where Kobe belongs!
@d.michael372 Жыл бұрын
he should have at least 2 or 3 mvps like if you agree with me
@kirbycampbell6283 Жыл бұрын
The NBA MVP award was a popularity contest. The media hated the Mamba back in the day for what ever reason. Kob should have won at least 2 Mvps.
@AridGems Жыл бұрын
If it was a popularity contest Kobe was the most hyped so you wrong on that
@theetruth8626 Жыл бұрын
@@theetruth8626 Kobe was the most hyped?? What in the hell are you talking about?
@AridGems Жыл бұрын
@@AridGems u slow or something he wasn't the best player he was the most hyped player the player who had the most fans the player who had the most popularity what u can't understand not the player with the most impact that was Shaq then it was Duncan not Kobe common sense seems to be a problem in today's world because everyone wants their favorite to be in the same category as others this that same b.s that's still today with Bron and Giannis or KD and Giannis it's clear Giannis been the best player in the NBA for 5 years but since he ain't as popular or as exciting as the popular guy y'all hate regularly on the dominant players
@theetruth8626 Жыл бұрын
@@theetruth8626 you're a long winded moron that just started watching basketball yesterday. I only debate with my equals others I teach. Have several seats. I lived through the Magic, Bird, Jordan, Kobe and Lebron era. You still wet behind your dirty little ears. Stfu
@AridGems Жыл бұрын
@@AridGems look clown I been watching basketball since the early 80s and people like you is the delusional fans that always want the ticket sellers to be placed as great as the dominant players the game has always been about impact and the answer is what was Kobe impact so all this crying b.s you on don't erase facts clown Kobe is walking first round exit and that's it he doesn't have the impact of Shaq or Duncan so stop with the lies Kobe success will always be based off how much more talent do he have on his roster than others Kobe didn't win into he got 3 big men
@theetruth8626 Жыл бұрын
Imma big fan of great pgs but there was never a season where Steve nash played better than Kobe
@StephenMcBeth28 Жыл бұрын
I agree. The point was not that Nash was better than Kobe but rather that Nash fit the criteria to win the award more than Kobe did.
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
From india. My all time team of 12. 1.duncan 2. Jordan 3. Kobe. 4.hakeem. 5.shaq 6.kareem 7. Bird 8. Dr.j . Wilt, Russel, curry, LeBron. The last 4 are on the bench only.. my glorious 12...
@venikody Жыл бұрын
I'm not mad at the names. Shaq, Bird and Dr. J > Lebron, Wilt and Curry though? 🤔
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
He should have had at least three he was cheated out because the media or teams that were in first place they should just give it to the best player hands down in the league no matter what seed that their team was in
@rebelwitacause536 Жыл бұрын
I will NEVER… EVER put LeBron above Kobe. It’s 1. MJ, 2. Kobe in my eyes. Nobody will ever be better than those two.
@rickyrichreacts9667 Жыл бұрын
Why do you feel nobody will ever, no matter what, be better than those two?
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
There’s a handful of dudes I’d take over Kobe. Lebron & Duncan to name a few.
@ericdupree8603 Жыл бұрын
Should’ve won 2004 MVP over Nash averaged 35 PPG lead lakers team with Kwame Brown Smush Parker and Chris Mimm as 7th seed to the playoffs
@NuradinAlas Жыл бұрын
That's when he became the black mamba he felt he deserves that MVP over Steve Nash both had good stats but I felt like Kobe had the edge and everytime he seen Phoenix he made sure Steve Nash pay for it
@CB-ry4fj Жыл бұрын
I don't think it means anything. MVPs are situational. I'm ok with Kobe having one MVP because it doesn't diminish his legacy.
@mathewomolo Жыл бұрын
Exactly! If anything that's the biggest thing I want people to take away from this video....basically what I said the last 90 seconds of the video. 💯
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
There's videos on KZheadof me in the comment section saying exactly what Allen Iverson said at 0:54 waaaay b4 Kobe died...Like wtf? Mfs 4got Kobe dominated the league at 1 point. I know atleast 1 of those MVP's they gave Steve Nash should've went to Kobe. I was pissed tf off
@BreakHarpe Жыл бұрын
He should of won the year he averaged 35ppg
@MukkaDotCom Жыл бұрын
That was an amazing year.
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
You could argue MAYBE Kobe should have won in 2011 but yeah, that's it. Shaq on the other hand probably got robbed in 2005, but another piece of criteria is you basically need to be in your prime and he wasn't. That said, I don't know about his top 5 argument with just 1. The criteria is suspect but it counts for plenty.
@jamespuso1627 Жыл бұрын
The reason he only got one and isn't compared to Mike is because the media. The media hates him. Still rip KB24 they still hating on your greatness.
@jorgesanchez5097 Жыл бұрын
💯
@GamePointGP1 Жыл бұрын
Bruh stop lying Jordan made 3 eastern conference finals before Pippen develop while Kobe was missing playoffs and was 1st round exits when Shaq left
@theetruth8626 Жыл бұрын
@@theetruth8626 So according to you lebron is like mike. Slap yourself you're garbage. Closest player to MJ was Kobe point blank and no one gives him that. all that was said learn to read who's lying the media hates him. Dumb illiterate fuck.
@jorgesanchez5097 Жыл бұрын
@@jorgesanchez5097 boy u kids lack common sense first off dummy learn the topic then answer the question as the way the topic asked the topic wasn't who was the best impersonation of Jordan idiot the topic was how is Lebron being considered in Goat conversations over Kobe so stay the f**k on page and quit acting like broads always jumping off page to avoid the truth first off Kobe was no where near Jordan on impact ok dummy Jordan carried Chicago on his back to 3 eastern conference finals before Pippen develop Kobe wasn't doing that sh*t and he couldn't do that sh*t Kobe was missing playoffs and being first round exits and threatening management for a trade because he couldn't win now LeBron took a gang of role players to the finals on his back and beat the same team that destroyed Kobe with Shaq in 5 games in the finals there is nothing to talk about when there's concrete facts of who's the better player so all this Kobe delusional b.s is just your trying to push y'all favorite player in the same category as the better players stripes is earned not given
@theetruth8626 Жыл бұрын
I did you moron I said why. you're dumb ass turned into me lying . wtf are you retarded. My bad retards make more sense than you that's disrespectful to them they are more intelligent than you.
🚀🚀The Houston Rockets Will Be NBA Champions.....soon🚀🚀. kzhead.info/sun/l6-bnpeui3t_kps/bejne.html
Stay off the drugs son
One is better than nothing.....
You have to take an account also Kobe Bryant played in the Western conference and during that time the Western conference was the toughest conference also taking account the politics of the media when it came to voting for the MVP because you can argue that even 2008-2009 LeBron James was not better than Kobe Bryant
@@andrejamison2723 THAT MEANS GARNETT IS BEST PLAYER. BECAUSE HE PLAYED ALONE 13 YEARS. KOBE IS WAGON IN SUPERTREAM FROM DAY 1.
How was Kobe in 06 and 07 not reaching that historical level but Jokic did? Also Kobe won 46 games in 2006… Westbrook won MVP with 47 wins, Jokic with 48… Those two awards contradict Kobe losing.
That's a good point. The reason as to why Nikola and Russ won the MVP with under 50 wins and Kobe didn't is based on a few things. #1 They broke larger scale NBA records. Jokic set the regular season PER record that was previously held by Wilt Chamberlain and then he became the 1st player in NBA history to record 2,000 pts- 1,000 rebounds and 500 assist in a season. Westbrook also hit the triple double mark which hadn't been done before in a half century. On top of that they both led teams to a top 6 seed in their conference with little to no help. Russ also had a narrative boost since KD had left.
@@GamePointGP1 I love jokic and his record setting but his best player his first year was better than Kobe’s best player both those years 😂😂 jokic had Murray for his first MVP and had 5 players with 10+ ppg his 2nd mvp. Lakers finished top 3 both those years as for joker and the nuggets, they finished 3rd and 6th those two years. Smush Parker isn’t better than will barton or Aaron Gordon
Big men always had the MVP if they have more stats and wins than most smaller players.
Kobe was black balled by the Nba after the Colorado incident. Kobe was the best all around two way player in the league once Jordan retired in 98. Kobe remained the best all around two way player in the league til around 2012. Lebron was close but Lebron wasn't an animal on Defense like Kobe. Kobe has 12 All Defense, Lebron only 6. It's the 2 way dynamic that separates Kobe from the rest.
@@jaydubb2005 It's a possibility that might be the case. At the end of the day, for that to be true he needed to win at least 50+ games each year. If he checked all of the MVP boxes and won 50+ games and still didn't win a MVP, the NBA knew it was their best interest not to crown as the best player. The NBA doesn't like controversy in the Colorado case subject, but they love controversy if it only has to do with basketball.
Kobe definitely should've gotten more MVP regular season awards but it is what it is. I remember Kobe leading a team that had both Smush Parker as the point guard and Chris Mihm as the center to the playoffs. That team was far worse than the Nuggets team that Jokic had with Murray and Jokic got a MVP.
Stop it
Facts
@@theetruth8626 lol with your username you know it’s true!!!
if u look in a context wise, jokic has ruined the regular season mvp award.
@@rajathnayak5624 They probably can still award the NBA regular season MVP award the right way moving forward.
I would argue kobe was the best player from 2003-2011
If you think Kobe was better than Shaq in 2003-04, then you're mistaken. Kobe was the reason they lost that Finals to Detroit, while Shaq was dominant af. Unfortunately, Kobe wanted to take many more shots, and they weren't falling for him. Plus Shaq had a better season that year.
@@vsmith3rd that's a good argument
Kobe over Lebron in 2010 and 2011? 🤔
@@GamePointGP1 are we just looking at stats?
@@GamePointGP1 yes Kobe led his team to championships during those years
if kobe played in the modern era i think a 2006 caliber season would be MVP since they are taking individual narratives/dominance a bit more seriously. He'd average like 37 era adjusted, dropping 81 and other crazy scoring outbursts leading to huge headlines and news. Kobe was a mega star and face of basketball despite not being on a contender.
Actually, he would average 40, era adjusted. He averaged 36% of the league team average in points in 06. But I agree with your sentiment.
He woild probably drop 100 in this era
@@Levi-lr4vi aha yeah ai that year era adjusted would b doin 38 lol it’s crazy how diff pace is
Harden averaged 35+ for two to three seasons and had a 50+ winning record and didn't win mvp so he wouldn't win an nba mvp even if you put 2006 into the modern era.
Yeah, Kobe was the best and most skilled 2 Way player in the Nba or 12-13 years.
The MVP has always been a popularity contest for the media. The media loved Shaq and chose Shaq's side during that nonsense rivalry. That solidified the fact that Kobe was never going to get the nod while they played together. Then once they split, the media chose sides which guaranteed Kobe wasn't going to get the nod. The Colorado case didn't help, and with the arrival of LeBron (the new media darling whom all of them wanted to be the greatest of all time so that they could say they called him the greatest since high school) it was just a waiting game for them until they could justify them giving him as many MVPs as possible. It always has been, and always will be, a popularity contest for the media. The players should be the only ones who vote for this award.
1) while kobe played with Shaq, Shaq was a way better player than Kobe, media had nothing to do with it. 2) Once Kobe and Shaq split, the media chose Kobes side. 3)Kobe didn't lose out on MVPs because of popularity, he was by far the most popular player in the league alongside lebron. Are you trying to tell me Nash,Duncan,KG were more popular than Kobe Bryant?
@@bojanpejovic7691 the fans don't vote for MVP. If you don't know this, why would you even comment? Putting numbers in front of opinions does not make those opinions facts.
@@jimmyrodriguez5670 oh, so you meant popular in the voting circles. What you are describing is agreeability then, not popularity. And while Kobe had a shit relationship with ESPN at the time due to his comments, he was absolutely more popular and a million times more marketable ( the important thing for media members ) even in media circles than Nash, Duncan and KG, and was up there with Lebron. The reason Kobe only won one MVP, is because he barely even deserved that one, go back and look at his production and records. Even Nash's second MVP would not have gone to him.
@@bojanpejovic7691 Duncan was the media darling and Kobe's trial ruined his marketability for years. It wasn't until the other players started to openly state that Kobe was the best in the league, that the media started giving him credit again. Duncan has 1 MVP that belongs to Jason Kidd, and another that belongs to KG or Kobe. I meant popularity, not agreeable. Don't change my words. My entire point was within the context of the MVP votes.
@@bojanpejovic7691 Not "way better" just "better". Kobe was no role player so saying Shaq was way better than him is crazy talk as they would not have won those championships without Kobe. And it is a popularity contest for the media so the guy is right. Why else would they be putting LeBron above Kobe and everybody on the all time list all the way at #2 before he even won a 4th championship. And he is still trailing Kobe to this day yet in media circles it is blasphemous to say Kobe is better than LeBron. The players should have more say.
I appreciate this video bro . A lot of Kobe hate lately . This makes my heart feel good to know that some aren’t blinded by the media
Maybe it's not hate it's reality Jordan carried his team to 3 eastern conference finals before Pippen develop Kobe was missing playoffs and 1st round exits when Shaq left Jordan impact was way greater than Kobe
Thank you. 💯
The 9 first team all-nba defense selections says it all. Even if he averaged 16 points per game he would still be HOF material. But he was also an offensive force that got game planned against.
he didn't deserve any of those he wasn't a great defender
@@Blanco6612 He certainly didn't deserve nine of them and got at least a couple through reputation, him getting it over Rondo in 2012 was a joke for example. But to say he didn't deserve any? That is just showing your lack of knowledge.
@@safe3220 get off my dick
Miss you so much Bean! RIP you Gigi and all the others 🙏🙏❤️❤️🙏
Hakeem Should Have 93 94 95 MVPs hand down best Player and True MVP those Years.
Kobe should have 5 MVP'S 2003 2006 2007 2008 and 2009
in 2002 Kobe was the best player in the leage and avg 30.6 ppg 6.9rpg and 5.9apg to me he was robbed that year best 2-way in the league clear but the narrative hurt him because they kept talking bout he got shaq and honestly that's what hurt him and shaq plus honestly the media most was not feeling kobe because of the jordan comparison. Kobe was the best payer in the league from 2002-2010 IMO
I think he even showed flashes of being the best still up until he tore his achilles.
Yes I agree
Not really
Nah shaq was better from 2000 to 03 and Duncan was in 03. Kobe was better from 04-10
@@jasonmoukala8909 I disagree but they all great Kobe is simply a better overall player to me then SHAQ on ring 2 definitely ring 3 people regard SHAQ higher then what it was because of the championship round but in the players they were usually equals and Kobe was a better overall player so I edge him
Just watched a video of Kobe saying that he really doesn't care about winning MVP, his desire was to win as many championships as possible and he won 5 !
And that's the essence of The Mamba Mentality. Solely focused on the mission. 🐍
Kobe won 5 because he played with Shaq. 3 of them were “coattail chips.”
@Attaining Knowledge of Truth I agree the 1st ring could be seen as a "coattails" championship (granted Kobe did get hurt in the finals and missed essentially 2 games) I have to say that Kobe was just as integral in The Lakers winning in 01 and 02. Shaq was the better player in 01, but it wasn't by much, and by 02, they were a 1A 1B.
@@GamePointGP1, This is my point. Say you swap Kobe for T Mac. The Lakers still win 3 chips in 2000,2001,2002. But if you take Shaq off those teams then the Lakers don’t win any of those chips. Most people have Kobe in top 10 all time but not Shaq. This is asinine. Kobe is overrated and Shaq is underrated.
@@attainingknowledgeoftruth8348 I disagree if anything I'd say if shaq wasnt there Kobe would have still won a couple maybe not a 3 peat but he would have won if he managed to win 2 without shaq than I'm sure he we would have had more
Rest In Peace Mamba 🙏🏼
Just discovered this channel, and I can already tell you’re gonna be big. P.S. I really appreciate the Batman music at the end!
Thank you so much! That really means the world to me. 💯 And yeah, I really liked how The Batman music added to the moment.
He wanted his team to win championships. He's a true legend
#MambaMentality🐍
Why did he sell his team in 2004?
@@GamePointGP1 WHAT MENTALITY ?? U MEAN WAGON. NAME ONE HOF IN GARNETT TEAM OR KOBRICK IS NOBODY...
@@papadoc331 He was tired of shaq getting all the love and everyone acting like he carried kobe so kobe wanted to prove in the o4 finls that he could be better and failed but he got better and won in 09,10
@@PIP...33 What?
As much as I am a Steve Nash fan, I would objectively say that Kobe deserved the 2005-2006 MVP season title.
One thing that messed him up was The average mvp type player is drafted to a sorry team who by year 4-6 has figured out the right kind of team to put around him. That player then hits their stride both individually & with team success & thats when the mvp's come. Kobe's career didn't line up like that. He started his career with shaq who was not only a great player but was older than kobe & lost his prime a couple of years premature. when he left the lakers the lakers had to rebuild around kobe & that simply takes time. So kobe "wasted" 3 years of his prime (probably the best 3) on really bad & average coached teams.
Kobe was hated by the media back then because he does not conform to what they want him to be. He could've easily won 3 times. When Nash won 2x, I thought Kobe should've won one of them.
He didn’t deserve either of those years
@@jasonmoukala8909 I guess you prefer a Nash backed up by a loaded Suns that got pushed to the limit by Kobe with Smush Parker. Well, everyone has their own preference.
Once Nash got 2 and LBJ stuck at 4, I realized that’s not a metric to judge players
@@Cheif_Espada Lebron deserved all his MVPs. And if you want to use media bias, just remember those same voters vote All Defense as well and it only accounts for the regular season..
Kobe only won one MVP because the media absolutely hated him and did everything they could to suppress his shine. The league was no different. He didn't bow, they didn't like it, they were against him, and it was obvious... all the way up to his death and even after. These "what ifs", and "why nots" were because the media downplayed tf out of Kobe his whole career. What if Kobe would've started his first three years? What if he wasn't asked to "dial it back" to keep Shaq's lazy ass happy? What if the Chris Paul trade wouldn't have been vetoed by David Stern? What if he wouldn't have gotten hurt? What if the entire NBA and the media didn't completely stack against Kobe his whole career? What if they would've worshiped him like a God like they did Jordan? What if the Lakers organizations would've put someone with him besides Kwame Brown? How much money in profit have the Lakers made off of Kobe? What if he wouldn't have had to challenge Big Pharma, and he was still here? Kobe Bryant - the most underrated basketball player of all time. RIP GOAT
In Kobe’s Prime they were discounting his performance because he played with SHAQ. They didn’t subtract from Curry for playing with Durant.
I mean, Curry wasn't winning MVPs when he was playing with KD.
nah people do discredit curry for winning with durant most of it goes go durant himself tho
Yes they did until he GSW won last season without Durant. The same way some people were claiming Shaq carried Kobe until he won 2 without him.
People discredit Curry for playing with the players he played with all the time. Where have you been for the past five years?
this is the content I like. Very well said. You earned yourself a sub
Thank you very much! 🙏🏿 I really appreciate that. ✊🏿💯
Kobe was easily the best player from 04-10. He has less MVP’s due to media narratives. I also would argue that KD was the best player in the league in 2014. Unfortunately, a false accusation was detrimental to Kobe’s legacy. We were being spoon fed KOBE the great and he deserved it and we loved it until that 04 season.
2004 is a debatable start point for Kobe the best. However, I can't say he was better than Lebron in 2010. I would also have to disagree with KD being the best in the league in 2014. He was having an amazing season but Lebron was clearly #1. To an extent I agree with the media narrative but the real reason he didn't win more was because earlier he wasn't winning enough and later there were players who were either better or doing better than him.
@FlaxOFF While I agree with the competition aspect, I don't think that's a direct reason as to why Kobe would be better than Lebron in 2010. There have been years in NBA history in which the best player in the league does not play in the strongest conference in the league.
@FlaxOFF That he did, but Lebron won more games with a worse roster. With the MVP being a regular season award it's understandable why Lebron won it over Kobe.
@OnlyFatSnapz 🙄🙄🙄
We are all partial to certain players. It’s obvious you are a massive Lebron fan. Lol KD averaged 7 points more a game in 14 with a non custom super built team. Lol
Great video man
Thank you very much! That means a lot to me. 💯
In my opinion Kobe was the best player in the NBA from 2002-13. He was putting up great numbers along with winning. Not winning the MVP in 2009 was a robbery.
Not true
Your smoking crack
It always haunts me that he should've got more MVPs in my view he deserves 5 at least, guy was a killer, miss you brother
Five?? That's a lot. What years should he have won all 5?
@@GamePointGP1he can't give you that answer he's just a fan boy!😅😅😅
@@stephenwilliams7200 fan boy?? You know me bruh ?? Hiw can u make a statement on me ??? I mean dont get me wrong, im very respectfull person and i dont say anything to anyone without knowing them,
@@jasleensandhu2791which 5 seasons did he deserve mvp? Id say 2 maybe 3
@@t-god2439 there was lots of kobe hatters in that era, because nba commissioner and coaches and many other important figures were so close to jordan and they had made jordan the best player in past and future and locked and threw the key, so even if any other player would have reached more rings or mvp or whatever but majority will have hard time admiring that, now if u look at more rings and judge the player by it then bill Russell is top, if more points then kareem, if more dominant then wilt and shaq, if more three poiners then curry, and if more killer instinct and more hard work more hours in the gym more years with the same team then only one name and that's kobe, ask that to any player in the league so those are my reasons he deserves mote MVPS
Yeah he definitely deserves more MVP but we all know why he doesn't have more because of that accusation.
His historic season he should’ve won it … I think it was the season that he scored 81.
This video sold me, earned a sub off this one my G!
Kobe was the players MVP, the players knew who was the “Jordan” of the league
Absolutely. 💯
The way MVP’s go in recent history is sort of a back to back trend. In the 90’s it was Jordan getting back to backs, Tim Duncan and Steve Nash in the 2000’s, Lebron, Steph, Giannis in the 2010’s, and now Jokic in the 2020’s. Other MVPs were pretty deserving of their awards when Kobe had a chance like Dirks 2007 season after they lost in the finals came back and dominated to 67 wins but got upset by the Warriors. Nash was running a high powered offense with winning results in the regular season and changed the tempo of the NBA. Kevin Garnett was a two way force himself in 2004. And then Lebron started his run after Kobe’s mvp season.
Colorado is why. RIP Kobe legend
I understand the "robbery," (performance great, with average winnings which affected 'criteria' fit) as many awardings for many stars were 'mis-assigned' per criteria thus falling short...and why the need for 'hardship history' (criteria addition boost) [Note referencing my previous comment: 'Too much Mike,' was referring to the Jordan 'mystique' fans were imprinted with, making it tough for Kobe to be free of subliminal comparison.] Kobe, and I loved his 'fluid' game, he ran into 'expectation' (the fan's neural conditioning due to Jordan in the guard spot...they awarded MVP to 'others,' in Jordan's 'MVP snub' case also). Mimicking play style of Jordan (yes Mike shared knowledge, techniques with Kobe, others got mad as he turned them down) was possibly perceived by most fans as NOT surpassing Jordan...as his UNC knowledge base made Jordan "gel" through and through, very smart, efficient in movements and execution precision. Jordan = Winner, and reason several 'greats' could not obtain rings, Kobe WAS very close though, defensively too. Why skill AND perception plays into it: Like many, I am familiar with public reactions and percetions, AND great ball. BUT, I saw Jordan's idols (Dr. J. etc.) play live in Greensboro, NC in the ABA in 70's, grew up with "UNC, Two rings 'Showtime' Laker great Bob McAdoo, NBA MVP, 3× Scoring Champ" (and went to UNC 'with' Jordan, saw his NCAA 'performance'). Jordan was robbed in 97 by Malone (but Jordan already had 4 MVPs and "bored fans wanted a change"), and Jordan also should have MVP for 90 and 93! [ SEE the video link, many bad MVP's,] 👉Kobe wasn't only one shafted.💯] kzhead.info/sun/ZL5-pJVvj6aue6s/bejne.html ...and Kobe SHOULD be more discussed whenever Jordan - LeBron 🐐 talk spews!
I am glad I'm the only thought Jordan was robbed of MVP in 1997. Don't get me wrong Malone was a very good player, but Jordan led his team to another near 70 game winning season. I don't know why the NBA didn't give Jordan the MVP in 1997. I think the case could be made that he should have wom MVP in 1993, but lost to Barkley, another good player, but Jordan was on another caliber in 1993. God Bless.
Kobe, career-wise, fell into a perfect storm of situations that made NBA fans take him for granted.
Good debate!
🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
09 and 10 that went to LeBron should have been Kobe's MVPs. Those were the Back to Back and Redeem Team chips. Also one of Nash's back to back MVPs. That should be Kobe 4 LeBron 2 and Nash 1
😬😬 I don't think I could give 2010 Lebron's MVP to Kobe. 2009 is debatable and even then I would say it still favors Lebron. What Bron was doing with that Cleveland team was unbelievable.
Kobe stans are delusional
Both of Brons years he averaged more in every statistical category, shot better than kobe, and had better records. How the fuck could they ever be Kobes?
Not even close. Bron deserved those
Those 2 rings past his prime is sweeter than mvps.. regular season is good but the Finals makes you immortal..mamba out
its crazy because former and current players talk about kobe like he is a top 3 goat but the media and fans (for the most part dont. in my eyes he was the most dominant wing I have ever seen. born in 95 btw so i saw Wizards MJ
His lone mvp could have gone to cp3.. it was arguable
I agree Kobe should have gotten more MVP’s but the guy who was really shortchanged on that score was MJ. He should have had AT LEAST 2-3 more than he did get.
No. Maybe 1997 not the other years. Mj didnt carry his team from likr 1990
@@papadoc331 it’s not a matter of “carrying” a team. It’s a matter of how well that team would have likely performed without him. There were years BEFORE 1990 (besides the times he won then) where it could be argued he deserved it. But, for the most part it’s purely subjective
@@your_royal_highness i think the only mvp he didnt get but shoulf have is 1997. The other ones had to carry a far larger load and still win
@@papadoc331 Like I said, it’s subjective
This video is about kobe lol. At least mj did get 5. But 1??? We all know that's bull
It’s MVP award but they take into consideration team success. If you put Kobe’s prime stats against MVPs Kobe for sure deserves more than 1. Kobe literally dragged LA in 06 to the 7th seed
One MVP probably had something to do with Colorado
Should’ve won at least 3 MVP’s.
I can't say he should have won 3 MVP's given the criteria. But if the award was charged to "best player in the league award" then yes, Kobe would have at least 3. 💯
Yessir
Should of won two not three
@@ethancbaker2002 no 5. 03 06 07 08 09
@@robbereal1982 Kobe wasn’t better than Duncan and Lebron
For sure should’ve won at least one more mvp
One thing is for sure, he barely deserved the one he got in 2008.
Do people really need to debate this? Post Colorado incident, the Media HATED Kobe for years till they won the Gold Medal (the redeem team). That's when they fell in love with him again. Kobe was robbed of at least 2 MVP in that span.
Kobe’s a Goat 💯💜💛
No doubt. One of the best to ever do it. 💯
without a doubt the Dark Knight
Kobe played in an era when there was some ballers with that being said he probably should have one more. You could say the same for shaq also
He was robbed multiple times SMH
While it makes sense a player like him would have won more, given the criteria I can't say he was robbed.
Shaq only has 1 M.V.P also, and for most of there time together Shaq was better but I could easily say they both should have more.
Shaw was never better than Kobe on the lakers. Shaw was better under the basket and that was it. No jumper, no free throws and no 3 point shooter. In fact Shaw was sometimes a liability due to “hack a Shaq”
Shaq**
Shaq was clearly better up until about 2002. In 02 they were a 1A 1B and by 2003 Kobe was the better player.
@@teteo.2408 stop
Kobe definitely should have got it 09-10 season that season was so underrated and he hit like 7 game winners that season and won a championship getting his revenge on Boston
He didn’t deserve it that year
@@jasonmoukala8909 Lebron didn’t either
@@bigbenji__ never said he did
@@jasonmoukala8909 he won it that year that’s what I’m referring to
I blame this on media and Kobe himself. First of all, media was not the same when Kobe playing, if his prime was around 2010-2020 era, he would've been celebrated more with IG/FB/Twitter, imagine fans calling Ben Simmons scoring 25 points a "beast" while Kobe easily did it on a almost a nightly basis. Two, during Kobe's time, he played to a high standard that a 20 point game is already a bad night for him. While Jokic got 2 MVPs without winning rings.
I see what you're saying. Just remember the MVP is a regular season award, winning or not winning a ring is not a factor.
@@GamePointGP1 I agree. My only point is they would not even make it to the finals, not to mention in the top 1 seed 2008-2010 if he was not doing MVP numbers during the season. Jokic and Nuggets were only the 3 seed when he won back to back MVPs.
Ai said it best what they forgot 💯
💯
MVP FORMULA: #1 Media decides current criteria, no exceptions #2 No one will ever get voted the equivalent of Jordan. His legacy must be protected at all costs
Stop lying Jordan made 3 eastern conference finals before Pippen develop while Kobe was missing playoffs and 1st round exits when Shaq left remember Kobe had to get the 3 headed monsters Gasol Bynum and Odom before he could even win anything
2006 was a robbery. Don't give me that 7th seed bs. That team doesn't win 10 games without him.
So MVP should be awarded to a guy on the 7th or 8th seed every year? This argument is asinine, every year there is some great player that scores a lot of points and drags a bad team to the playoffs. It's telling that the bar as to be set so low for Kobe.
People forget Kobe played with shaq which helped him win rings. But the down side to that is you miss out on individual accolades.
Anyone saying Kobe should've won more than 1 MVP award is either a die hard fan or someone that wasn't up to date with the NBA during those years where Kobe played. As matter of fact CP3 should've won the MVP award that year Kobe got it
CP3 over Kobe in '08...that's an interesting take. What makes you feel CP3 deserved it more?
@@GamePointGP1 I just remember following the NBA that season and thinking CP3 should have earned MVP. However, I checked the numbers. LA finished 57-25. CP3's Hornets finished 56-26. The Lakers had Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom and Kobe in their roster. Heck of a squad. The Hornets Had CP3 and 1time All Star Tyson Chandler who never averaged more than 11 points a game. CP3 had a better FG as well as 3point percentage. He also led the league in assists as well as steals that year and had a better defensive rating than Kobe that year. In my opinion he was a better player that season.
Exactly
2001, 2006 and 2013 he deserves the MVP. He should have four total. You can take away the 2013, I’ll give you that, but the other years, I really think he was the MVP.
2003
Definitely not 01 06 or 13
@@Heie_ no way
Kobe was the best player in the league from 2002-2010. 06 Kobe was a beast
Stop lying Shaq was the best player since Jordan left in 98 to 04 then it was Tim Duncan
@@theetruth8626 Tim had two MVPs during your shaq time. Lakers 3 peat because of the dynamic duo. Shaq was dominate but Tim hung right in there in all aspects. Awards, all stars and 3-2 finals difference by 2004. Just saying
This is why mvps are on the lower part of goat debates for me. I based it off what players actually can control Championship, Stats. Mvps are just a way the media feels important to basketball and to narrative and 98% of the media never touched a nba floor
Can they really control championships tho
@@jasonmoukala8909 yes
Kobe should of had 3 MVPs at the most..
He should’ve won it in ‘09
There's a case to be made that he could have won it in 2009, but maaaaan Lebron was unstoppable that season. It's tough to say he didn't deserve it.
Top seed in the very tough western conf
Not at all
@@GamePointGP1 he had just as good stats but more wins in a tougher conference and more win share
AI put it perfectly. "They forgot or something?"
💯💯💯💯💯
Shout out to AI he knew wassup
If it were up the the fans, players and coaches to vote Kobe be at least a 5 time MVP! He was hated by espn and media. FACTS!
I really think the MVP isn’t all that anymore. That’s just me.
I can see where you're coming from. I think it is both underrated and overrated at the same time.
been meaningless since russ won
@@John-yp2ho I wouldn't say "meaningless" but I can see where the manner in which it is awarded has turned some people off.
@@John-yp2ho facts😂😂
Media chose kobe to the villain and god was he amazing
One of the 3 best peaks in NBA history as a talent.
Biggest reason why : The Rape Allegations. that stopped people in the media from supporting Kobe openly.
Yet was still getting All NBA/Defensive team selections, yet can’t tell me the objective year he deserved a 2nd MVP
he deserved more but lets be honest. mvp awards don't really matter when it comes to measuring one's greatness. mvp is almost always awarded to one of the best players in the league with the best story, which makes perfect sense as they are voted by the media. To be fair to the media, i think they did decent job, if you look back at all the players that won, most mvps are acceptable. the only issue i have is steve nash winning back to back. Kobe was on a rampage shredding everyone 05-06 season when he was averaging 35.4pts per game.
Kobe was in the tops...but it's just "too much Mike23!" due to10 scoring titles, 2×3Peats (no 7th game), defense that shut down anyone and still score his points...all while endlessly dependable to play full season and NEVER LET UP! A great model for Kobe to "...follow but failed to surpass!"
So you're saying that's why Kobe didn't win more MVP's?
@@GamePointGP1 A silent contributing factor...opened door to consider alternate outcome due to this and other criteria intensive considerations.
Mike was a deadly scorer, but Mike also 33 shots per game and crazy numbers like that to get all of those titles. Kobe was a more accomplished offense player than Mike with better total skills by far, hence 81 point game and all of that jazz,
Alan Jones you are funny. Kobe was definitely robbed fuck the criteria my eyes seem the careers of both these men. To say Kobe wasn’t enough like Mike is a misleading non fact. He was the only Kobe and that is all he needed to be.
@@Kommunik8Moor Kobe was great (and "shorted" an earned MVP), fought current peer performance and "walked in the shadow" of the one who passed the torch (who was ALSO short changed on MVP's while sharing his secrets with Kobe). Mike set expectations, Kobe was "close," but the process was too big for Kobe to overcome. Out of his many years in the league, only one MVP (an admirable handful of scoring titles, like Steph, etc. as opposed to HANDS FULLS) reflects the fan's memory of "the highest level of consistency on both ends of floor by the most prolific scorer (life average reflects that), that Kobe fell short of - in other words - Kobe didn't create enough "stat distance" to remove reasons to deny him! Period! Mike did something about it...Kobe did not. (I feel 🎯Kobe earned another MVP for sure, but was refused "...for other personal or marketing reasons we will never know for sure!" They could do it only so many times for Mike before fan blowback! They both were hit!)
Kobe deserved it in 2010.. but they snubbed him because they felt he had a great team which he did but he had a hand in putting that team together and wheeling them to the championship
that DOES make him the most VALUABLE player..........cuz(@that time)..........WITHOUT HIM..........
As a I was in high school in his real glory days he deserved at least 3 mvps definetly take one from nash
And Duncan and nowitzki
Facts
He wasn’t winning enough games to take one from Nash. Especially in 05.
@@deepwaterrehab7685 Yes he should have because the way they give the MVP award out now guys with not top records get it as long as their stats are good.. Nicola jokic
@@smiffenwesson2281 Jokic rewrote the record books last year on PER. That’s why he got it.
Kobe in 06 not getting the MVP was a robbery.
True. He absolutely had a case to win it.
They didn't like Kobe he wasn't a puppet he's my GOAT RIP King Kobe MAMBA BEAN BRYANT 🙏
I agree with AI. I think it’s really disrespectful every time ESPN has one of these debates about “who is the goat Michael Jordan or LeBron James?” I understand LeBron is going to retire with probably the best stats ever but like Jalen Rose said, stats aren’t everything. And I’m not a LeBron James hater at all I think he gets way too much heat but LeBron is having great stats this year while he’s losing. This is the worst year for a LeBron James team ever but he’s still putting up great numbers but those stats don’t really matter at the end of the day if you’re losing. I think LeBron James is great but the people that argue that he’s the goat are clinging to stats and only stats. And I’m sorry the whole “he went to the NBA finals nine times in a row” doesn’t really hold up to real basketball fans and players or coaches when if you go to the finals nine times in a row and during those nine trips to the finals you only walked away with three championships, it doesn’t really matter how his stats were in those nine times. Look I’m not saying stats don’t matter because all the greats have amazing stats but it was never the end-all be-all in the goat discussion and tell people had to change the argument to fit LeBron James in if you have to change the argument to fit your guy then he’s not the goat. I thought everyone at ESPN had really lost their minds from 2008 to 2010 because they kept saying every year it was going to be the Lakers versus the Cleveland Cavaliers and LeBron was going to beat the Lakers. Kobe made it to the finals every one of those years and walked away with two championships and LeBron couldn’t even make it to the dance and that made those Nike puppet commercials with LeBron James and Kobe Bryant look really silly that anyone was even having the argument oh and by the way the two teams LeBron James couldn’t get through which made him finally leave Cleveland and go start an All-Star team in Miami, Boston in Orlando, those were the two teams Kobe Bryant beat for his last two championships. If you would’ve told Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant and Larry Bird and Magic Johnson that in 2022 winning multiple titles wasn’t what made you a goat but your stats they could’ve easily stuffed their stats in regular season games that didn’t matter. The reason that people that don’t have a bias to make the argument and have an agenda for LeBron James as the goat never put stats above championships was because everyone knew winning multiple championships was much harder than stats. So all that being said I absolutely believe that Kobe Bryant should have had more than one NBA Reagan VP. The way the MVP is decided really isn’t who the best player in the league is unfortunately, it’s who’s the best player in the lead on a team that has a certain amount of wins over 500. And during Kobe‘s prime unfortunately even though he was the greatest player in the league the Lakers weren’t a good team. It was Kobe Bryant and Lamar Odom and they really didn’t start getting good until 2006 and that 2006 and 2007 season I think hands-down Kobe should’ve gotten the MVP. I personally believe that Kobe should’ve won the MVP award from 2007 through 2010 every year. He should’ve had four league in VPs but because the NBA really wanted LeBron James as the face of the league, and the minute he went to Miami they stopped giving him that kind of love but I really do think that’s why Kobe was robbed of three league in VPs was because they were trying to get people to forget about Kobe. Michael Jordan is the goat and I would never say that Kobe or LeBron is better than him it amazes me that 98% of the people that watched all three of these players play give it to Michael Jordan but it’s everyone who never saw Michael play and didn’t really start watching the NBA until around 2011 don’t even care to go back and watch old Team of the NBA 20 years before. My generation has no problem giving props to Magic Johnson Larry Bird even though we were too young to really understand their greatness but we still give them props because they deserve it they were great, they are legends.
Well learn the difference it's called impact Kobe was missing playoffs and first round exits when Shaq left he didn't start winning nothing until the 3 headed monsters Gasol Bynum and Odom was on his team while LeBron had nothing and made the NBA finals off his back beating the same team that dam there swept Kobe and Shaq but Bron did it alone
Love subbing to an nba channel like this. I see great success on the way road to 100 subs 👍
Thank you! This comment really made my day. 💯
11 nba first teams is terrific
Kobe, was TOP GUNS MAVERICK. THE MOST SKILLED BUT LESS RESPECTED. # TOP 5
The skill thing again means nothing. Marc Gasol is better than Shaq in the high post and the mid post, he’s a better 3 point shooter, FT shooter and mid range shooter, he is a better ball handler, a better playmaker/passer, a better on ball defender, help defender and ball denier, and better at the pick and roll, both as a screener/defender Now tell me which player is better? Skillset doesn’t equate to impact
Not really a fan but he deserved more.
I can respect that. 💯
People forget he was all Defensive as well. he did it on both ends. If you're putting Luka as your candidate this year, then you better believe Kobe deserved more MVP's.
Naw bruh the difference was impact Kobe was missing playoffs and first round exits when Shaq left Luka made a conference finals with no franchise players on his rosters total difference
@@theetruth8626 MVP is a regular season award. what happens in the playoffs are irrelevant.
@@earvinmanansala5213 and the regular season there's a thing called teams record right or wrong? Last I checked the MVP race is based off who's the most impactful player for their team with a winning record correct so how many MVPs do Tim Duncan supposed to have then should be the question ❓
@@theetruth8626 I’m specifically talking about those that want Luka to win this year so early when they have a negative record.
But you can’t compare what happens in today’s NBA to 2000’s. It’s basically entirely new generation with only Lebron and Chris Paul as that last bit of 2000s stars. Just because Jokic has won two MVPs in this time doesn’t mean we have to think Kobe should have more than a player like Jokic. He got 1 in his career and that’s enough.
Kobe played in the best BB decade imo. I think he still only deserves 1 mvp and that was for 06. CP3 should’ve been 08 MVP imo.
love the dark knight music at the end
Thank you! 😁 I really thought it added to the moment.
You know what this is about. The medias pure disdain for Kobe. Plus the MJ fans who are in the media hate him for pattering his game after his airiness. AI know where Kobe belongs!
he should have at least 2 or 3 mvps like if you agree with me
The NBA MVP award was a popularity contest. The media hated the Mamba back in the day for what ever reason. Kob should have won at least 2 Mvps.
If it was a popularity contest Kobe was the most hyped so you wrong on that
@@theetruth8626 Kobe was the most hyped?? What in the hell are you talking about?
@@AridGems u slow or something he wasn't the best player he was the most hyped player the player who had the most fans the player who had the most popularity what u can't understand not the player with the most impact that was Shaq then it was Duncan not Kobe common sense seems to be a problem in today's world because everyone wants their favorite to be in the same category as others this that same b.s that's still today with Bron and Giannis or KD and Giannis it's clear Giannis been the best player in the NBA for 5 years but since he ain't as popular or as exciting as the popular guy y'all hate regularly on the dominant players
@@theetruth8626 you're a long winded moron that just started watching basketball yesterday. I only debate with my equals others I teach. Have several seats. I lived through the Magic, Bird, Jordan, Kobe and Lebron era. You still wet behind your dirty little ears. Stfu
@@AridGems look clown I been watching basketball since the early 80s and people like you is the delusional fans that always want the ticket sellers to be placed as great as the dominant players the game has always been about impact and the answer is what was Kobe impact so all this crying b.s you on don't erase facts clown Kobe is walking first round exit and that's it he doesn't have the impact of Shaq or Duncan so stop with the lies Kobe success will always be based off how much more talent do he have on his roster than others Kobe didn't win into he got 3 big men
Imma big fan of great pgs but there was never a season where Steve nash played better than Kobe
I agree. The point was not that Nash was better than Kobe but rather that Nash fit the criteria to win the award more than Kobe did.
From india. My all time team of 12. 1.duncan 2. Jordan 3. Kobe. 4.hakeem. 5.shaq 6.kareem 7. Bird 8. Dr.j . Wilt, Russel, curry, LeBron. The last 4 are on the bench only.. my glorious 12...
I'm not mad at the names. Shaq, Bird and Dr. J > Lebron, Wilt and Curry though? 🤔
He should have had at least three he was cheated out because the media or teams that were in first place they should just give it to the best player hands down in the league no matter what seed that their team was in
I will NEVER… EVER put LeBron above Kobe. It’s 1. MJ, 2. Kobe in my eyes. Nobody will ever be better than those two.
Why do you feel nobody will ever, no matter what, be better than those two?
There’s a handful of dudes I’d take over Kobe. Lebron & Duncan to name a few.
Should’ve won 2004 MVP over Nash averaged 35 PPG lead lakers team with Kwame Brown Smush Parker and Chris Mimm as 7th seed to the playoffs
That's when he became the black mamba he felt he deserves that MVP over Steve Nash both had good stats but I felt like Kobe had the edge and everytime he seen Phoenix he made sure Steve Nash pay for it
I don't think it means anything. MVPs are situational. I'm ok with Kobe having one MVP because it doesn't diminish his legacy.
Exactly! If anything that's the biggest thing I want people to take away from this video....basically what I said the last 90 seconds of the video. 💯
There's videos on KZheadof me in the comment section saying exactly what Allen Iverson said at 0:54 waaaay b4 Kobe died...Like wtf? Mfs 4got Kobe dominated the league at 1 point. I know atleast 1 of those MVP's they gave Steve Nash should've went to Kobe. I was pissed tf off
He should of won the year he averaged 35ppg
That was an amazing year.
You could argue MAYBE Kobe should have won in 2011 but yeah, that's it. Shaq on the other hand probably got robbed in 2005, but another piece of criteria is you basically need to be in your prime and he wasn't. That said, I don't know about his top 5 argument with just 1. The criteria is suspect but it counts for plenty.
The reason he only got one and isn't compared to Mike is because the media. The media hates him. Still rip KB24 they still hating on your greatness.
💯
Bruh stop lying Jordan made 3 eastern conference finals before Pippen develop while Kobe was missing playoffs and was 1st round exits when Shaq left
@@theetruth8626 So according to you lebron is like mike. Slap yourself you're garbage. Closest player to MJ was Kobe point blank and no one gives him that. all that was said learn to read who's lying the media hates him. Dumb illiterate fuck.
@@jorgesanchez5097 boy u kids lack common sense first off dummy learn the topic then answer the question as the way the topic asked the topic wasn't who was the best impersonation of Jordan idiot the topic was how is Lebron being considered in Goat conversations over Kobe so stay the f**k on page and quit acting like broads always jumping off page to avoid the truth first off Kobe was no where near Jordan on impact ok dummy Jordan carried Chicago on his back to 3 eastern conference finals before Pippen develop Kobe wasn't doing that sh*t and he couldn't do that sh*t Kobe was missing playoffs and being first round exits and threatening management for a trade because he couldn't win now LeBron took a gang of role players to the finals on his back and beat the same team that destroyed Kobe with Shaq in 5 games in the finals there is nothing to talk about when there's concrete facts of who's the better player so all this Kobe delusional b.s is just your trying to push y'all favorite player in the same category as the better players stripes is earned not given
I did you moron I said why. you're dumb ass turned into me lying . wtf are you retarded. My bad retards make more sense than you that's disrespectful to them they are more intelligent than you.
0:13😧