BMW M5 Competition vs Mercedes-AMG E 63 S - DRAG RACE, ROLLING RACE & BRAKE TEST
It’s time for an M5 vs E 63 S rematch! Last time out the E 63 S took the win just ahead of the regular M5, but how will it fare when going up against the M5 Competition pack?! The M5 Competition has a 4.4-litre twin-turbo V8, while the E 63 S is packing 4.0-litre twin-turbo V8 - but does it have what it takes to make it two from two? There’s only one way to find out… Let’s race!
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Let’s be real, there is absolutely no wrong choice between these two cars
#respect 😎
For me in this case the cheaper is the winner
Benz all day
Either u want a boat or a sports sedan 🤣
I think that you don't need to choose a car by its superior powertrain among the others, choose the one you like the most.
4 doors cars nowadays faster then super cars.
Gotta agreed to that
Than*
Take it to racing... it can not keep with lotus.... all power.... nothing else... plus broken very easily
sarp kaya faster =x= better.
Faster than old supercars yeah . Not a new one. A huracan does the quarter in about 10.6 and a McLaren 720s can go sub 10
Mat when he wins: laughs and points at the other car Mat when he loses: *another drag race*
You know him sooo well🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lmao mad merc fan
@@a15bionic59 youre the reason BMW fans are shat on.
@@hamzaanegm your the reason merc fans are shat on
0:58 the race starts if you want to save a minute of your life
Legend
Thanks
thanks
Your the best thanks 👋👍💪
@@gradyparsons6678 it's the same thing
Both are absolutely brilliant and beautiful cars. There is no wrong choice between these. It all comes down to which one you like more.
There is no winner. Both cars are great and really similar in terms of performance. I would prefer the BMW because imo it looks more aggressiv. But the E63 is really cool too.
BMW of course
Very true, it all comes down to ones opinion
BMW is better
@@tomdornieden4053 me too BMW has more aggresive face
Everyone saying bmw or merc all day but then drive a corsa....
Subie Francis 🤣🤣
Uhm .. i guess ur brain just vaped away
So true lmaoo
Subie Francis I drive corsa, 1.3 cdti its a beast, do you have a problem with that?
@@soawn29 Not at all my guy. I'm sure your 1.3 is a beast. 👌
Why did Mercedes remove those rear lights in the new E class?? They make the car! This AMG is one of the best looking cars ever made! 😍
Agreed. That design was perfect
It just looked so aggressive and elegant
I liked the one before this the most.I didn't really liked this one when it first came out because I often confused it with C class.But when I saw the newest version I started to appreciate this one.It is elegant.
@AM G lmaooo
Those older big rectangular rear lights where the best on any German car ever made. The new ones just look all the same kinda like the 2003 E classes just without the character.
There’s no wrong choice here. But the e63 has such a better sound and a more premium feel. Def my dream car. I have owned a 5 series and currently own an e class. One day 🙌🏼
Bull
Too bad its slow
I’m very surprised be the comments in a good way. there aren’t that many people beefing over bmw and mercedes, well done internet, proud of you 👏👏👏
I'm proud of you too daddy 😏
That’s because the BMW won. Had it been the other way, the fanboys would have had a fit.
It's embarrassing that the modded M5 (Competition pack) lost to a stock E63 in roll race lol.
@@rockefelleragent1357 But it was a modded E 63 S
@@PelleCristi he saw what he wanted to see👀
This is the best looking BMW 5 series since E39.
Sethus F10 is good looking too
For me it's the F10.
E60 4 me
@@harun685 The E60 M5 has the most beautiful sound !
@@TheBizzle90 agreed👍
I am a Mercedes fan but wow the bmw was 🔥
glad for a good sport in the car community 👍
Yes the bmw is 🥵
E class is just poor mans s class
@@Peenpapu34932 they are both entirely different cars but you'd hardly know without driving considering the narrow minded peasant you are.
@@Peenpapu34932 please stfu
The drag race matters the most, but I think in everyday life the rolling race is what happens the most.
Yeah in the hightway
I don't think so,you are doing drag from traffic lights much nore than rolling as you have already some speed(of course if you aren't in no speed limit autoban in Gremany😂),so m5 is better
Nah bro 0-60 are way more fun
O shqipe
In the rolling race they were even, the guy just started slightly later than the Mercedes.
BMW fans hit a like
Yep, im here
Bmw are the best
Bmw fan some how was happy when the m5 won like seeing ur kid win a race at school
Remember not to crash
I laughed so hard with satisfaction when the result came.
I recently been in a c63 and I fell in love with it. The sound of that v8 and how it pushes you back in your seat is so amazing.
ReflexFusion98 reallv
They all do that even a skoda will push u back 😂😂
@@gutter2hollywood88 but not as hard as the C63.
LOL. The newer C63 made after 2014 are sound neutered. The old 2008-2014 NA C63 had the sound of a brute the newer 4.0 TT sound weak by comparison. New model is quicker but just weak sounding.
Mate look at it today, its actually sad
Miss these videos Matt. Straight to the good stuff
Gotta support the channel's watch time too bro, otherwise no money for new content😅
the bmw just looks so good...
The mercedes looks way better, all BMW looks pretty much the same when it comes to design.
BMWs always look better ;-)
@@RSTurbo50 No
@@unknownhostilesoldier1599 yes
RSTurbo50 yes
In my opinion there is kinda no differences. If you are a Mercedes fan you buy ofcourse that E63S But if you are a BMW fan you should buy a M5. It's about what you like
M2;)
@@evil-king9778 m2 sucks
@@kusanagi6937 yeah but for me is 370 ps enough i dont need a car with 505 ps or more m2 is my favorite car but i love bmw its my favorite mark
what if I love both and I can't decide
Joe Al then buy AMG
Love them both! Now Audi, please hurry up and release the new RS6 and RS7 already!
Love your work! I'm waiting to pick up the new RS7.
@@myaccount5050 congratulations. May I please ask what you do. I want to be as successful as you are.
Audi is coming with rs5 sportback
New RS6/RS7 is going to be amazing. From the testing videos, the new RS7 sounds great too 👍
A Tim RS5 only has a V6, New RS6 and RS7 will have a V8 so its more comparable to these
I like how he said "the competition pack rules"
My asspussy
@@eliansalami5750 just cheked ur fb profile :D :D :D :D ur fkin 13 standing behind your dads uglyass merc and ur calling sum1 a pssy :D :D :D get the fk out of here stupid kid !
Bitch that is mine and at least I have a dad and u have no mm no dd so fuck u hater
M5 looks so menacing! such a beast
Such a piece of shitt
@@georgioyazbek6911 yes the e63s is better
@@gihansandeepa3961 Why argue? They're both beautiful cars.
@@gihansandeepa3961 nahhh their both equally great
@@georgioyazbek6911 shut up BMW is way better u can’t beat it mate
these tests are not accurate...if you test it 10 times you will get 10 different times...both cars are great..the difference is so tiny
Bulevard Service thought you were a fan boy but no you ain’t wrong at all lol
@@georgehaffen4105 i am a fan 100%....aaand i like both cars very much
Best comment
Bulevard Service bmw is is the most unreliable brand
@@zenelgashi bs
Let’s be honest, it really really really is just personal preference between these two. They perform the same pretty much, cost the same, similar size. Both aim to offer Ferrari pace in a big family saloon. I don’t know which one I’d have? I would need to drive both first I think.
marksapollo in the end the M5 still is the original and a bit better.
@@bamphmx-5548 i think the interior on the mercedes beats the m5, its much nicer
Juanma patron12 that’s personal preference. In my opinion the Mercedes interiors are not good looking because they just glue tablets on the dashboard and it will look outdated in 10 years.
@@bamphmx-5548 everything will look outdated after 10 years when it came out...
The Yellowflash what I want to say is, that the 5 Series interior looks more timeless than current Mercedes interiors.
Ive been watching this video at least 3 times every 6 months since the first day it came out. Miss the days when a carwow video was short and straight to the point.
I'm in love with the black e63s🖤
Same
Agree with you
Me too.that looks like devil
The new m5 is a nice car but the best m5 in my opinion is the e39
Yes. That is one of the greatest M cars!
YES FINALLY! SAME. New m5 is great but it's kinda boring, lacks some soul and character. E39 however is the opposite, it is full of character and it looks sexy and yet humble
Oh man, E39 is also a nice car but E60 is the king! period
@@allenfu9759 the only great thing about it is the engine, the e39 handled better and, idk it is just special. Drove an e60 last month, it is quick and man, with those aftermarket exhaust and a tune, it sounds insane, addictive! But the e39 drove better no matter what, it is a better car. It is more reliable too. The e60 handled like....... A heavy car but still is good. The smg is like what everyone said, it's harsh but quite fun. Idk e39 won my heart
@@bryanjschang Totally agree, boring is what springs to mind. The only turbo M car that pushes my buttons is the M2. Manual swapped E60 is the real king. Can't take the E39 steering box.
The sound of that E63 😍
Tinashe TF lovely V8 growl 👍
Sounds fake af
@@nikomoin7604 the current and last generation m5 is the worst yet incredibly fake sound ever especially from a v8.
Niko Moin mach erstmal Führerschein kappa dann Maul aufreißen.
@@DanielSadjadian how is it possible that i see you commenting on every video?
Great reviews on this channel, should be on main stream TV this guy he loves cars & it shows 👏👏👏
I've been in E63 and absolutely loved it! And I'm a BMW owner myself I have 7 series and GT ...absolutely beast cars in the video
Honestly, in order to choose between these 2 you shouldn’t really look at performance, they pretty much the same. Its down to the looks and interior.
Guilherme Fernandes and Mercedes wins no questions 👍
@@GRAYCURRYKITTENS And it doesn't win at all. Its looks like a car for blondes. A fucking dissapointment.
i love the m5 but i love that Mercedes v8 sound 👩🏾💻
BMW is faster, more comfortable and better on the track. Clear winner BMW
BMW has better ride quality, so there’s that
To the few people that see this... I wish you a very safe, joyful and Merry Christmas! I hope you get all that you wish for as well as a rich and prosperous 2019!
dont tell me what to do bitch...
@@alexrudaj1435 lol
Sf u 2
same to u
Alex Rudaj Alex Rudaj fuck you bitch. Have good luck in your horrible Christmas. Then make it match your horrible heart, and brain, and life
Rolling races/autobahn races are really the only ones that matter 😉
This is by far my favorite drag race.
Amazing, cant wait to get my hands on the M5 Comp in Jan! Merry Christmas Mat and all the Carwow team x
Lucky man!
Me too!.........I mean the toy! ;))
Damn how much do they cost
Be my Uber driver please joe😁 haha
me too my dad has e63s amg already hes goin' to buy m5comp too
///M5competition for me, even tho MB is amazing too...
i love both but i go for the E63. anyway its not possible to take the wrong car between these 2
Don't be that guy that puts in the "///" every time.
PHRESH whats your Point? Very good phrase from Alex, First answrer also very neutral and nice. Than your shitpost...
@@sweatyfootenjoyer why? its the M-stripes?
There was an article or video on KZhead I watched that said when the e63s came out in 2017 with 603hp, bmw went back to the drawing board regarding the M5 & M5Comp because they initially didn’t plan on giving the M5/M5Comp that much power (617hp)
Mercedes - sound and interior BMW - speed and sport
speed ? Didnt you see the rolling race? Thats the real thing
erans muka Didn’t you see the drag race ? Didn’t you see the brake test ? 2:1 bmw so go home
4L vs 4.4L The engineers at AMG seem to extract more per L
@@riseld4 not like that matters in the real world
@@paradox5556 just an observation
The M5 looks so good omg 🔥
It a beast
Not everbody is perfect😉
It’s the same as every road going BMW of 2018. Looks good but I’d rather have the E63S cuz of the interior and it’s 9 speed transmission
A not better than E63S
@@nadsenec8512 You are such bad englesh
Finally two really great cars . Since I own an AMG I‘m biased towards the E class, but they´re both lovely. Thanks, Matt, and a merry christmas to you and all of you here of course. Have fun with your cars and be always safe in 2019....Hans 😎✌🏻
Based on your race and the real world of road driving/racing I would take the AMG cause most races don’t actually start from a dig. I have found more often it is from a roll. Thanks for the video!!
AM G >>> I have to disagree here, most street races are actually in a straight lane. Try tuning into the KZhead channel 1320video and you’ll see all of them are on the highway or public road without any real meaningful turns!!
AM G >>>> moreover, for the record, the fastest cannonball record which was last year was in an Mercedes 2014 E63 S-AMG‼️
AM G >>> Like I said then, check out the Mercedes as the fastest cross country cannonball record and know what’s what!!
AM G >>> lets face it, you are just hung on the M5 which in my opinion is a great car but not necessarily the best...I myself prefer a Mercedes...so there’s that! And yes, my bad, an Audi now holds the record for the cannonball, not an M5! Enjoy whatever car you wish as I will do the same!!
Please make a full video of these two cars including rolling drag and brake test
There practically the same. They should switch drivers each time bc the E63s had a bad launch plus,why did it take bmw forever to at least give a challenge to E63s, the bmws launch system takes for ever to get one good launch he got very lucky
AHellReign they’re
The launch was messed up on the E63S and did poorly on the quarter mile as a result. If it made a good launch it would be just a hair slower than the Competition pack M5. And the M5 Competition pack lost to a stock E63S from roll.
They are bsically the same and people argue like they built them lol
TeacherToolkitDemo no I saw different results on other channels
@@SM-1010 That's because other channels are biased they cheat to represent their product
The BMW M5 for sure as it looks better.
Agree hate Mercedes looks
@Phuong nah its just a 5 years old S Class
The Bmw = boy racer styling. The merc = executive styling.
Michael Janicki you’re blind lol, the Mercedes has a very modern interior, just like the new S class
M5 LOOKS,WAAAY BETTER AND,IS A BETTER CAR
BMW ///M5 COMPETITION IS A MONSTER CAR !!!
Is a dickk car
@@georgioyazbek6911 you are gay?
The way he said the competition pack killed me 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Now make a 3rd video. M5 vs E63. No special editions. Edit: Judging by the comments, it should be M550i vs E63.
@Auto blipper no. He did the M5 vs the E63s
Nah, the competition and S models should be the only ones people buy or care about, lol
Still Bimmer is faster
Ye
Maybe E63 vs M550 lol bmw fanboys are so retarded XD
The M5 looks so good
zUbA lol i feel bad for you 🥺 (have you ever seen a bmw 750 li in real or not) when you do then talk to me
@@rrezonsylaj9365 I have seen some of them, but the new ones just look like shit. The M5 looks waay better.
@@rrezonsylaj9365 I have seen and be sure that Bmw and other Brands are below Benz.
@@rrezonsylaj9365 he said that it looks better than the m5 not a 760Li Wtf... If thats the case lets bring an s650 Maybach and lets now see how the 7 series stacks up.
@@rrezonsylaj9365 You dumbass what's this got to do with a 750 li
Now this is it I didn't feel that Normal M5 against E63s
@SPACE•TIME There is a normal E63 actually. It takes 2 seconds to google lol.
@SPACE•TIME You know that this is a 4matic+ right?
@SPACE•TIME www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-mercedes-amg-e63-packs-styling-and-performance-tweaks They literally said, “the E63 has a 0-62mph time of 3.5sec, with the S version achieving that in 3.4sec.”
SPACE•TIME please tell me you are joking or ive lost hope in humanity. It literally says ”4matic +” on the back ffs 0:30
SPACE•TIME then why would they label it wrong? Isn’t that false advertisement? Ono....
Hi. This is the best competition channel.
The exhaust note of the AMG makes it the winner for me. The performance is close enough, but it just sounds better.
sherman bear and looks better!
I was always an m5 lover. But this new E63 is my fav out the 2 hands down. I am really not a fan of the new BMW designs both in and out. But this new merc ticks all the boxes. Looks great , sounds great, has more fresher looking interior design. And the performance is closely matched if not as much as the m5 competition
@@neerajchelat894 lol your bias is funny to read. M5 lover, none BMW fan and you sat the merc looks better 😂
@@nanimoyom3 understand the meaning bro..........i have always loved BMWs, most of their normal cars and all M cars from the M1 to the M5. But the new M5 for me just doesnt feel special. Thats all. Thats just my opinion. PS: just because i am a fan doesnt mean i wont appreciate other cars or find negatives within our fav machines.
Wtf no the bmw sounds great
This is one of those races that comes down to who’s off the line first
0:46 mat says "carwowow" 🤣
YUS IVE ALWAYS WANTED THIS RACE TYSM MAT AND MY BOY BMW IS MY FAVORITE GERMAN CAR
Why don't you do best of 3 races to level out launch error?
That doesn't matter since he said the best quarter-mile they have gotten of the E63s is still slower then m5 comp
True
I think launch control wears out the car if done repeatedly
Lavneh just means he raced the other one once doesnt it. Same question stands
When Matt wins 1st time, u don't expect that
The difference between Mercedes and bmw fans When the Mercedes wins: BMW fans: NO THAT WAS THE DRIVERS FAULT AND THE TIRES ARE BAD AND THE DRIVER OF THE MERCEDES WAS BETTER When the BMW wins: Mercedes fans: Good job the Bmw won but I like the E 63s more!
@Shelby F. where
Shelby F. 😑
denis punk haha Defo agree with you mate
there is only one problem ... that mercedes never wins against bmw..
Took them years to beat the Benz on a drag race. 😂
That Mercedes is absolutely beautiful in its stance. What a design.
2 years now. Need this race updated.
*Can't wait for some races with the BMW M8*
vs the GT4
Well, one needs to have the BMW brake package, one needs to stop on a dime while texting and driving.
Hahahahaaaahaaa
you know they both have carbon ceramic brakes
If I had to choose, I mean HAD TO choose.. I mean if I absolutely had TO choose.... I mean Really Had to choose... idk 😐 🤣 Awesome Video!
Bmw e60 m5 and mercedes w212 e63 amg s the most beautiful sedan ever made
Still wondering why the Skoda Fabia isn’t in this kind of drag race 🤔
Because Its slower than my pet turtle
Sabramento give me a time and a place so we can drag race the two
Don't forget the Dacia Sandero 😌
Auto blipper Mr blipper, just jealous as you can’t drive one.
Marc Langhammer oh my what a machine 😍
Both cars are amazing, but I would totally go for the M5 🔥 BMW fans, you feel me?
Duma Vlad the only BMW I would KILL to get my hands on is the B7 alpina
Feel u
Duma Vlad no I don’t feel you Mercedes is better
We feel you bro.
Looks better on the outside but the interior hasn't been updated in 10 years. You'd get better value for money with the Mercedes.
I think both of them are absolutely great
Could you race either the bmw or Mercedes against an older supercar like the Murcielago lp640 or Ferrari 599 as I think it would be very interesting to see how older supers compare to new super saloons!
The M5 is my most favorite car and this video just makes me like it even more...
Let's hope the Quattro in the next RS6 is just as impressive at the corners as it is launching the car.
Aditya Madiraja m5 bad m4 good
YESS YESSSSS FINALLY I WAS WAITING SOOO LONG!!! THANKS MATT!!!
Yes the M5 Competition Pack lost to a stock E63S from roll.
IneedMoney E63s is better imo. But the M5 sadly beat it. Tho the M5 is still amazing
@@BWG05 M5 is better imo. But the E63 sadly beat it. Tho the E63S is still amazing
@@rockefelleragent1357 give it some times the M5 comp will pulling back the Merc
@@trappanda9965 It won't pull back if the AMG speed limiter is removed. It beat a 660 hp Corvette C7 in roll race at GTBoard..
The E63 came out first in 2017. BMW obviously has the advantage to look at it and improve everything the mercedes lacks.
STFU!!
@@itzyaboijohn120yearsago5 are you 7
ItzYaBoiJohn • 120 years ago Shtfu idiot
It's lighter, and that is what really makes the difference. However, the bigger torque in the AMG makes it pretty useful on a daily basis. Also, it comes as a Estate, which makes it twice as practical 😁
@@itzyaboijohn120yearsago5 Such elaborate answers man, I am shocked
Whichever car you choose, you'll spend half the year wishing you had chosen the other. Nothing in it. Both fantastic cars
The previous e63 looked more like a beast!
BEARD GANG!! Exactly what I was thinking
But that goes out the window when you drive the new E63. It’s so much faster, and with the hot inside V turbo setup, you essentially get the feel of a supercharged engine. There’s just no comparison.
U mean cause it looked awful und ugly?
Yes. This is the first time I liked the e63(this latest edition). I don't know why.
Sounds better too!
The rolling race is not accurate the merc was like 4 feet up
Najmiddin akhmadjonov The Merc would’ve won anyway, so...
Its more which design do you prefer because they perform almost identical.
Let’s see tuned versions of both cars go at it.
Both are lovely cars! I'd love having either one! :D
no wrong choice for me. that merc sounds like world war 3
I just watchin ur review both of those cars, surprisingly the m5 comp did the 1/4 miles in 10.9s.. +0.2s in this vid
Back in the days when Carwow videos were short and straight to the point. Good old times
Hey man, you should really get your hands on a Mercedes GT or GT 4Door Coupe to race the best BMW in production both 2019, the result would be so satisfying😍
luck now bmw m8 comp better than gt hhhhh
Mounir Dragon M8 is gay and not luxury look at the gt4 in every aspect it is a better car
Both cars are nice, but I choose the E63s
Literally spent about a minute trying to remove a fake hair from my screen cos of your profile picture -.-
You're right 😉 I also Think that Mercedes is the best
agreed
Matt Samuels same
Me too
Fair or no, test m5 competition vs E63s renntech!!!!!
Nice mate cool cars
The BMW is a bloody perfect package for Pretty much everything
I own the 2016 ctsv. 640hp. Lil bro trying to get the competition..u think he will be faster?
No it's not
dj ochi much faster. Lol.
Fucking idiot it’s very hard to get a good launch
Omg I am asking myself If there are only millionaires in comment sections? BMW m5 costs W A Y more monthly than a Mercedes. I do not get the people .. for fuck sake
That Mercedes is hella good lookin'
You'd have to take the Merc, it's a bit more fancy and a bit less business. But faster in the rolling race. Where it counts.
The only issue with the Mercedes, no damn traction 😭thats what makes it so fun. Both are great 👍
i just watched your vid with normal M5 vs E63s, and in rolling race Mercedes was only slightly faster in rolling race, now is faster even more and we have a Competition pack M5 on this test. you should compare M5 vs M5 Competition.
I think the difference is, sometimes the M5 doesn't downshift as quickly automatically and it's a 7 speed torque converter(M5) vs a 9 speed dct (E63S) so that could be the difference in the rolling race. I would assume if he would've downshifted in the M5 the results would've been different.
e63 vs m5 base models only
Es lag am Fahrer
Amg has s 9 gear automatic. Not a dct.
@@tblscene dct means dual clutch transmission, you can shift with the paddles or leave it on automatic
Can't wait for the new RS6 vs M5 C vs E63s
Hey carwow i would like to see a Audi s6 vs Mercedes e63s race each other
Matt how do you drive your cars? Do you just put it in sport plus and pedal to the metal? Or you put the gearbox in S for BMW and let it shift for you?
M5 comp, definitely
you suck
Bmw
If i wanna choose between that two I'll take the M5 competition ✌✌✌
supercarlover SCL true
You are absolutely correct
I respect your opinion, but I'll take the E63S.
@0 0 rs6 Avant fuck yeah
Me too
MY DREAM!! 😍😍 BMW M5 F90 COMPETITION 2020 🔥💪😎❤️✨🇩🇪💯
Crazy races
Gotta Love That BMW M5 Comp Pack!!
#M #VS #AMG (I have always preferred the E 63 AMG to the M5) No matter what the top speed is, the AMG's always have the better sound (V8)
Ryan Waldron the M5 also has a V8 now!
Actually True. But at the end, it's a personal decision
AMG E classes were boats in the past and couldn't be compared to the previous M5s.
Actually the carbon ceramics could be losing against high performance steel brakes. Carbon ceramics need temperature un the discs, which means they are gonna perform way better on a track. But for a single braking the steel brakes could beat the ceramics.
they are better ecause if you don't track the car they last for the vehicle life, so you save money with time
@@denalisiomontpellier4064 I was not saying this, in terms of economical benefits. I was just comparing them in performance.
Rolling race is the most important in everyday driving. For example you driving on highway and a car try to race away from you but your car is faster in acceleration when rolling
I'll go for BMW M5 COMPETITION
You ain't going for anything because u are a broke ass idiot
Valentin He so hateful
The BMW M5 makes me so proud😭
I cried😭❤️
aWEEBgenju legend
but,but.... mercedes doesn't have competiotion pack :(
I been in 2019 mercedes benz E63S the powers and exhaust sound just push me back in my seat also it felt like riding a roller coaster 😂
Instead of fighting why just not enjoy both of these beautiful machines