New E63S VS Old E63S : Can the Real AMG Hammer please stand up?!
RBR VS Mode Episodes are coming at you with a vengeance!! After the awesome Taycan 4S vs RWD episode, it’s time to do a proper petrolhead hero car battle : #AMG E63S vs E63S. Old vs New! Loud vs Subdued. Analog vs Digital!
Not a huge amount has changed technically speaking as far as performance goes on the E63S. It maintains the brutal 4.0 V8 bi turbo, and the AMG SPEEDSHIFT MCT 9G. And of course the famed AMG 4matic+ 100% variable all wheel drive system with drift mode. Both E 63 S produce 612 BHP, 850NM and 0-60 in 3.4 - but we test both to be way quicker, so stick around for the launch controls!
Minor differences: the interior gets a new where and the awesome MBUX, and the facelift gets AMG dynamics, which influences the ESP system based on your requirements or driver skill. And the main bit is adjustments to the AMG ride control suspension, which has been modified to be more comfortable. Oh, and the exhaust is now muted due to EU regs since then.
That means, for the AMG Addict, the prefacelift E63S is basically the same car, just louder, less interior tech and arguably a more aggressive design!!
So if you were in the market for the Ultimate E63, or you’re confused between both: this is the video for you!
Today we explore.
- New W213 #MercedesAMG E63S Facelift
- 2017 Pre facelift W213 Original E63S 4matic Plus
- Technical change differences between old and new #E63
- Exterior design comparison
- New front end vs Old
- Rear design comparison
- 2017 Old E63S interior vs New Facelift E63S interior
- New E63S OPF Exhaust sound and AMG emotion start
- Old E63S Exhaust sound and revs
- Old E63S Launch control
- New E63S Launch control
- New E63 vs Old E63 Full driving review of both
- Conclusion
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My face at @ says it all, you know which one I like! 😂 Hope you're liking the new segment, BUT I NEED to know, what other VS MODE match ups do you guys want to see!! These are a bit easier to edit for me, so I can smash some out for you guys this year. Give me some inspired suggestions!!
How about BMW M550i vs BMW M5 Competition, M340i vs M3 Comp? 992 Turbo vs Turbo S, AMG GT53 vs GT63S? There are so many I can list, but the BMW ones are top because I’m worried that the M-lite versions potentially being the ones to buy, meaning the flagship M-cars get forgotten.
When you get it, amg GT black series Vs amg gtr or gtr pro
C63s! 2016 vs 2018
Would love to see the new 4cylinder hybrid c63 vs the last v8
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The old car is mad gorgeous
100% true. It looks like a 'German Muscle' car.
Absolutely
Can't stop looking at it💯
@@crooby5077 Congratulations Mate! I hope you have amazing time with the car.
100% looks better IMO
The pre-facelift is the most gorgeous e63s ever. What a beast!
W212 рестайлинг был не хуже, очень стильный был
They both look so good, but I have to admit the pre-facelift looks more aggressive, it's just stunning 🔥
I'd take the new front facia with the old rear end design with minor updates to make the refresh matter.
@@Tbland0930 The new front does look nice too, especially the grille, I love that. But the older one has nicer headlights and those massive side air intakes. Both look great 👍
@@DanielSadjadian That's true sir, the older AMG is more striking!
Just put the newer grill on the pre facelift and you’ve got the best of both worlds
Old one looks agressive and special and the new one is round and generic
Old for me🔥
The pre-facelift just looks gorgeous 🔥
I think it’s the black mat color that makes it look more aggressive
Agreed
It sure is the reason why it looks more aggressive, the lines on the new one are amazing.
no even with the same silver/greyish colour it will look aggressive
The pre-facelift with facelift interior would be a killer combination.
Man, Mercedes should’ve figured out a way to keep that IWC clock in the center console it just dominated the interior
I think it was a contract with them that ended
I heard they said it was because there is no space for a clock anymore because of the new MBUX system
@@Einar_Gustafsson No. there is no space with the updated MBUX system.
It’s a relic and stupid... as if anyone uses it...
@@ckneasel people often don't use a clock in their home as they have a phone. But they put it there for aesthetics. Same thing here.
Honestly Mercedes need to stop changing their design so frequently. It’s negatively effecting values and dating cars too quickly. This is a perfect example. Look at the m5 facelift, just some new lights and infotainment, not a whole new car
C'mon Spence, they'd never sell as many if they did that. For example you pay $150K for a 2021 and I come along and pay $75K for a 2018 that looks exactly like yours. Would you be happy about that? Or some other guy goes and buys a 2021 for $25K and his looks just like ours.
And bmw
@@vidsbfree4me 2018s are 50 grand rn
Thats why i dont like bmw..same car for last 7/8 years
@@WhiteTrashRenegade13 source?
Old is Gold ❤
This time
The PreFacelift is a bullet OMG and the sound it makes its something that we gonna missed
bruh i swear every time he teleports im expecting an "omae wa mou shindeiru"
Hahahahahahaaahhahahahahahahahahahah
Nani?
Eiyeh... ore wa baka. :(
@@RemoveBeforeRace Naniii??!
@@RemoveBeforeRace naniiiiii 🧐
Will never forget my first E 63 S drive. It was mind boggling fast and still today a benchmark of fast and luxurious sedans 💯
I never forget a ride from switzerland to the netherlands, 500miles autobahn in a 585hp e63 s w212.. empty street because of football germany played that night.. many minutes above 300km/h.. 🥳🥳🙋♂️
W213 Edition 1 : just perfect 👌
bought a brand new pre facelift 3 months ago, and I enjoy every second I live with it
The quality of your videos and analysis is great . Thank you.
The new one with the vertical grille and classic E tail lights make it look amazing. But the old one looks spectacular too
A thorough and informative presentation mate, well done.
Brilliant comparison! I am looking at the E63S pre facelift 2018-2019 with the nice steering wheel and normal seats:) and and and an important detail that I really find myself needing is the ability to control the front passenger seat through the driver seat buttons! The facelift lost that ability....
Mr Amg single handedly keeping the amg spirit alive in us fanboys and non-fanboys alike!
Such an awesome review! Cheers for this
Hi, E63S owner here. What a great review - thanks for sharing it and for being balanced in the assessment of the two cars. I bought my 2018 'Premium Plus' brand new (so obviously a pre-facelift - see my profile pic) and remain really pleased with it. Being a mug for anything AMG, naturally I checked out the facelift - I was aware of the slightly less excting engine note, but what also put me off was the frontal appearance, which to me looks much softer - I definitely agree the pre-face lift looks more muscular. The enhanced info tech I can live without - when my car was being serviced, I was loaned a high-end Merc SUV which came with the latest technology - and I really didn't like it, despite having a few days to play with it. Its the driving feel and expeirence that is more important to me. My 2018 feels similar to an E39 M5, obviously way quicker and more advanced. I don't doubt the slightly more refined ride quality in the face lift, but I'm unconcerned by that too - it's an E63S, it shouldn't ride like an E350 and besides I like the enhanced feel it provides. Mine has the bucket seats and I'm a well-built 6-footer and can honestly say that I've never felt uncomfortable, even after many hours of driving. So if anyone is concerned the pre-facelift buckets, don't be - they are far more comfortable than they might look. So I really can't see any reason to change my car, I absolutely love it. However, despite being almost fully optioned, it doesn't mean I wouldn't be averse to upgrading certain aspects of it. Mine came with the Burmester sound system - can this be upgraded to the high-end version, for example. I was interested to gather from the video that it would be possible to change the steering wheel for that in the late pre-facelift car. My original steering wheel was replaced under warranty as the part of the stitching was coming apart (in a the hardly-touched 11 o' clock position - very strange). I asked for the latest wheel, but was told by Mercedes that it was not compatible. That seems untrue judging by the review, but then Mercedes aren't the most helpful company around. Could you (or anyone else) let me know of what else might be upgradeable, please. I draw the line at exhausts and remaps, etc. The only after market product that doesn't trigger engine warning lights is the Brabus example, but to my ears, isn't much better in terms of sound given the amount it csts (rather alot...). Anyway, mine sounds great as it is and is as fast as you could want to go. Any thoughts welcome.
You can change completely everything to your pre facelift to the facelift ones. Steering wheel, MBUX, Burmester sound system, even headlights, taillights, new bumpers. Mercedes does not do that of course.
I have the same e63s, you can get a new steering wheel and carbon fibre everything, theres lots of websites for modifications and upgrades but beware, they're more than likely aftermarket parts
Best most extensive comparison review I could possibly imagine great job I own a 2019 and now with Mercedes announcing the end of the v-8 in America I am thrilled and saddened too, to have one
Great vid Raz. Love my pre face lift E63s, instead of changing it after two years of ownership I have gone with downpipes and a map to 740bhp and 1100nm. I have no idea what I'll replace this car with as its simply so good at everything. One major gripe for me though, is spec and additional features. Why on Earth do Mercedes not let UK customers spec rear entertainment, massage or cooled seats, and a heated steering wheel - all of which are available on US cars as example (not so sure on the heated wheel but still!). An M5 LCI with the Ultimate pack trumps the E63s in terms of toys which is frustrating. Still.. I love mine to bits!
The darker color also does a lot for the anger factor of the pre-facelift
Always great information 👍
waited for this review for a long time, as I've got the pre-lift version of the car. I suppose I'll keep it for a little longer :)
Same
Keep it mate, gonna go up in value. Bought a 2017 c63 ed1 last month for this reason.
@@Emkay2904 no way it gonna up in value it's a mercedes buddy a very common mercedes
@@lnz971 you obviously know nothing about cars champ but it's cute you think your opinion is valid.
that instant transmission editing was 🔥
Old one looks better if the old of had the same grill as the new one it would be amazing
You can buy it aftermarket very easily
@@diabeticpony that looks shit please no
Thank you for this great comparison. I would also choose the previous model to the new one.
Brilliant comparisson review. Thanks for the explanation i would pick the prefacio lift by pops and bangs obviusly.
Preface lift is definitely more aggressive, being abit biost due to owning one lol, love both but more with the aggressive look! Did order a facelift but found a preface lift in magno grey and not many around, so it's an investment!
Owning a 2018 E63S . Truely crazy car. One of the best thing in my life.
Same here, mine is a 2019 E63s with Performance seats and all Carbon steering wheel. Best car i‘ve ever had.
Both cars look amazing
Great review....I agree with the final verdict too.
I'm sticking with my pre face lift E63S - I was planning to upgrade to the face lift version, but I love my IWC clock too much! :-)
Absoluetly brilliant video!! I personally think the pre-facelift strikes the perfect balance by being sharp, muscular and agressive while remaining effortlessly elegant and beautiful. I also want to add that although the pre-facelift variant does not have MBUX, you still have a voice controlled assistant system called Linguatronic. It has over 450 lines of voice commands that it can recognise and react to. e.g., you can change the ambient lighting, turn the A/C on or off, change the temperature, fan speed, you can even turn lights on and off just by saying it. The main difference is that it isn't as smart as the new voice assistant and is summoned or cancelled at the flick of a switch rather than a "Hey Mercedes".
Preface lift + face lift interior + iwc clock in center 🏎🔥🔥🔥🔥
liked before I watch, dream comparison...
You make amazing content! Thank you
Great review very helpful
That face from Raz he got when jumping into the pre-facelift is the exact reason why I'd pick that one. Plus all the looks, hehe.
Great Review Thank you , AMG is always Good
I'm currently trying to figure out how to get those AMG Drive Unit buttons on a 2020 E63s myself.
The pre-facelift got that bang that absolutely sounds like gun shot! Good Lord!
I just traded my 2019 C63s for a low mileage 2018 E63s for the sole reason of getting the pops and crackles back. It was startling how quieter the 2019 was vs. my 2017 C63s. The only time you could get a hint of them was when downshifting at 5500 rpm. When I mentioned it to the service rep they just looked at me. That's not a problem any more. Couldn't be happier with the purchase!
Would you say the e63 is an upgrade in everyway?
When you said “It’s very incestuous” I almost died ahaha. I wish my pre facelift had the option of a little more comfort for everyday like the new one seems to have improved on, but I gotta admit I think I’d be happier with my car for many of the reasons you mentioned. As always, great video
Those AMG Performance Seats are some of the best on the market. Tried it on GT53, it's comfortable enough for long trip or in lengthy traffic but very supportive when things get spicy. Maybe not in the same level as the Recaro Pole Position buckets on the likes of GT R PRO but for daily use it is the perfect balance.
I do think both compliments each other so good.
Ecellent review of the two e63 variants. I think I will purchase a preface and used one. The sound is just so much better and that is 50% of the AMG experience
How do you make these insane effects 🤔
Nice vid! Any chance of a comparison between pre vs facelift C63s? MB forums say that the pre-facelift is a faster car,opinions?
14:24 I cannot stop laughing lol.. your face is so funny *Gorgeous sound*
Good informative review.
My next car!! Soon!! Best video I always wanted to see!!
W212/2 is still the best e63 ever in my opinion. Looked so mascular compared to the new ones
Even sounds better.
W213 no argument.. infact its one of my all time fav🙏
I agree Raz. Give me the old front and new rear! 👍
Really impressive review and prodiction.
Crazy how new the old car looks 🔥
Owner here. My first car was m3 e92, beautifull v8 sound, but in 2018 I bought from my good friend this masterpiece. Since then she always deliver me the same joy as at the time I first sat in my e63s. Mad gorgeous car, incredible performance and a lot of adrenaline always, always. It's been 6 years already, but I'm still in love with her and won't change her on anything else on the market! ❤ best V8 car ever, i assure you, sound in car with opened roof is out of this universe. I love you mercedes!
Amazing 💯💯
Great review not only showing the restrictions the EU have imposed but also Mercedes lack of options for new top level cars. My new AMG GT4 door had very few configurable options. These are sold in packages forcing the customer to buy unrelated items: if I want heads up display I have to have night pack! If I want the 63s I can’t have split folding rear seats... there’s no way to personalise my car like Porsche or Bentley. Good car as it is, It could be so much better.
your videos are so cool i love your channel!
Pre-facelift is my favourite ✊🏾
I think there actually is an emotions start for pre facelift. I think you have to put on reserve power before startup, go into race mode foot on brake and start.
Do we know if you can flash the 2021 suspension logic to the older one to have the marginally better ride in comfort mode ?
That pre-facelift E63S is a masterpiece. Traditional, muscly AMG design. Smooth, powerful V8, and INSANE sound. An absolute dream. I've had the opportunity to drive one twice. It is truly one of the great AMGs.
the most important reason why they sound so different is that the new one has a soft limiter but when you drive they are much more similar
Great stuff ! Love you content.... Are you on the same backroads as Carwow ? Looks familiar..!
Ugh. Hate you for pointing out the missing IWC. Cannot unsee!!
Instant transmission intro🤝🏽
Fantastic video! Been waiting for this for a year now :) thank you for making it! I have the pre-facelift with the updated steering wheel and you’re right - really the way to go. I can’t believe they took out the IWC... you can’t replace the soul of AMG (pops and grunts) with fancy tech. What’s the point of having the AMG? Great video again!!
Whatever you gotta say to justify buying a used car.
Pre facelift looks so good ❤
Yeah, I agree. The front of the pre-facelift is so much more aggressive. The facelifted look a bit doll. But on the back the newer is much better. It looks more like the pre-facelifted estate on the lights.
Love the instant transmission into frame 😂
Nice review. If you were to choose between the new E63 vs the LCI M5 Comp, which one you would choose for a daily drive?
Are the wheels on the facelift version, standard or optional ?
Hi broo, no news on 2022 CLS?? And what do you think E53 2021 vs CLS 53 2022 ? (I just got the E53)
I like the facelift exterior but the sound of prefacelift one is amazing and i can only afford the old one so old one it is for me 😄
WOW what a soundtrack on that coldstart😳🤗💪🏽🥳♥️♥️♥️♥️BTW NICE CONTENT AS ALWAYS 👍🏽👍🏽👊🏽💯♥️
Hi Raz, Jamie from Australia, I like the look of the new one, but I'm going for the pre facelift car, better seats, better sound, and as you say, where is the IWC Clock what are they thinking, the customer is paying, so what gives? As for the new car, you'd ABSOLUTELY change that exhaust system, and those wheels look cheap, anyway that's my viewpoint on the old v new, great review once again, excellent 🙏👍
The E63 with the homage to E class headlights is gonna be a classic over the facelift
Hey Raz, can you make a similar comparison with the C class? I’m getting the 2015/2016 C63s, and would love to see a comparison with the newer facelift model
Would love to see any type of video including the W212 Facelift E63 S AMG with the m157 platform!
Pre face lift has horizontal lines on grill vs vertical on new. So makes it look wider and stronger
can you get the OPF removed? does the new one sound the same as the old one if you get rid of the OPF?
The forklift driver keeps wondering why he keeps leaving one of the cars there. Oddly enough the pre-facelift is gone when he comes back the last time. LOL
are sports seats as comfortable as normal ones?
So, given the brief that these cars have to fulfill, which is better - E63S or M5C?
Is there any car that depreciates faster than an AMG e63?
21:32 You can hear the car thinking he’s about to crash into the camera car lol
Old on for me,such a beast👌
Great video.
The prefacelift is the best car on the market as an all rounder, cant wait to get mine in the months to come, going to be going big build with turbos however you can just remap with a decat and get phenominal figures. the best sounding v8 what an animal!!!
I daily a 2019 E63s, I took all the badges off the back. Diamond white with black interior. Massage seats and Burmiester High end options make this the perfect all rounder!
MBUX is incredible - i think different situations warrant different inputs. standing still ill use the track pad or touchscreen for NAV whilst driving, the steering wheel is perfect for music control
That old car and the W212 5.5 bi-turbo. Thats beauty and beast.
How many people are in this video, at one point there where 2 people in one car 1 in the other plus at least 2 in the cameracar. Damn what a production!! Ps love the vids