Eagle bus more discoveries of bad parts. Worn bearings, bad tire wear, alignment issues.
2021 ж. 11 Қаз.
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This bus was in need of a lot of maintenance. We are uncovering lots of hidden problems. It won’t be cheap but we will get it rolling down the road in good condition in a week or so.
That was some serious safety issues he was riding down the road with. Glad he got in front of them before something failed.
The more BGM videos I watch the wider the berth I give any bus I see on the road. The condition of some of these vehicles are truly terrifying.
I'd pay extra to see a mechanic working on my stuff. This dude has it all. Real nice videos. God Bless you.
I enjoy seeing how calm you are with all of this adversity. The sign of a true professional.
Gets paid silly...
So that's where lowrider paint comes from Thanks Scott, you learn something new everyday.
Those low rider guys love glitter paint. We had the glitter today. Thick and wet it would make a great looking finish.
@@BusGreaseMonkey agreed brother. I couldn't stop laughing when you said it I've never heard that before too funny Scott.
@@BusGreaseMonkey Sell it on at 250 bucks a pint ;-)
I always learn something from your video's , today's lesson was , ' should I visit America beware of old busses without a bus grease monkey sticker ' . I like the greater appearance of your son . Great video 👍🇬🇧
I like the little cash register sound when you told "Art to look at his hub"🤣🤣. BGM is getting fancy with special effect sounds added in!😁😂🤣
I can feel my wallet heating up just looking at the problems that bus has. I had to reassure it those were not it's problems so it would stop quivering.
Just the parts bill is going to be very high. It really needs everything done though that we are doing. I don’t mind just cleaning and reusing parts like bearings but unfortunately all of his are way past their usable life span. There is nothing that we are doing that is unnecessary or just preventative this is all mandatory replace it so that hurts the pocket book. I want to save him money but his bus keeps saying i need more new parts.
Indeed, it's old age and treachery. Glad you are on the case! The sound of that hub!
@@BusGreaseMonkey I was in the Army at the Anniston Army Depot in Alabama before I retired. I was in the M1 Abrams tank rebuild program. After returning from Desert Storm they asked me if I would work on captured Russian and Ukraine built equipment that was found in Kuwait and Iraq. One of the problems we found were bad hub's like that one. Obviously we couldn't just order new or even good used one's. The welding shop welded up the hubs and the machine shop machined them for standard stud's and bearings. I can't imagine how much that cost. We rebuilt all of it to better than new condition and sent it out to Twenty Nine Palms NTC so our Troops could train with it and get hands on experience with it. We also discovered T-72 Tank's could be taken out with just a cheap HEAT round to the Turret. Slapping the Turret hard disables the autoloader so the crew bails out of the tank and runs away. You can then capture the crew and retrieve the T-72 Tank.
@@n4zoukind of like the American rifles that warped with heat in Vietnam.. When you saw ak47 youd chuck you badly made American rifles and use the ak47 instead.. Until they purposely left booby trapped ak47s all over and youd end up blowing your hands off or worse...
Watching this brings back fond memories of the dismal past. Used to rework school buses for a church. Spent eight hrs removing the rear duels. No impact. Just me, a 3/4 breaker bar and a jack stand. The noise was tremendous. I can smell the gear oil. DS
I know what you mean, spend the 90s working on school buses and even today I can walk pass a bus or truck and now there a wheel seal leaking by the smell even before looking at the wheel .
With that nice new floor you need about 6 plumb bobs, some wide masking tape, markers and tape measures, and you can align anything! Thats kinda how we do race cars. I do street cars in my shop a lot and have good results.
Building the imaginary box around the car. Years ago I worked part time at chassis fabrication shop above the level plate platforms we had very carefully built grid system where we tied off all of our “strings” from during the construction of the chassis and later hanging of the body
Some days you work on a well maintained and looked after vehicle operated by someone who knows his nuts and bolts. Other days your heart sinks, you take a deep breath and guess how many knuckles will still have skin on by the end of the job. Guessing this is the latter. Bright side we get to watch you make it all better.
Videos like this are the reasons why i still haven't bought a bus yet.
I agree. I love the old buses but the maintenance just seems to much!
@@indy8679 Especially when it's been neglected.
What passes for actual professional mechanical work is astonishing. That could have killed someone. Glad they have you to go over it. Cheers
I get home from fixing trucks, trailers and buses and love watching your videos mate. Good work
I would think if you could square the centerlines of both the rear axles, you’d be close to where you need to be for axle alignment. I’ve always associated tire cupping with blown shocks allowing the axle to bounce. Hopefully a fresh set of king pins in the front sorts out most of the tire wear issues up there.
The frame could be out of square. It is why trueness is measured off the front asle.
I had thrust angle issues with our Monaco Dynasty on a Roadmaster S-Series chassis as well when we purchased it. No adjustments were designed in so I had to cut and modify trailing arms too correct the thrust angle and correct the tire wear and pulling issues. Has handled like a dream ever since. I used Lazer alignment tool from drives forward to the steers as well as the tags after correcting the drive able thrust angle. Mike
Box of black nitrile gloves, $30 for 100 mate. Save alot of time and save your hands
Loving these nightly updates. Nice new format. Keep them coming
You guys are doing some good work on this old Eagle. Once your done she’ll cruise down the road like crazy. Love the basement door conversion. Slick!
Wow, this is some tired old bus. Long time since it has seen some love..
Good evening Scott and family
Maybe you should just tell him what's good on the bus. Seems like it would be a smaller list.
I think that list was covered - the out door mod to replace the OEM lift-up-and-bang-head type ;-)
I have seen a lot of these on your videos in the last couple years, this has to be one of the worst ones that I've seen sparkly wise, then that emergency repair for the lug nut studs, OMG
keep the videos coming, their really enjoyable to watch
I live in SoCal. I was at a local car show and there were some lowriders,,, you cannot believe how much work they put into those cars. Your vehicle needs and old fashioned safety check All the strings, hangers, locating pins. All of it.
Scott, if the axle housing has a tag still on it. Give Inland Truck Parts a call. They may be able to help locate a hub. They also do component repairs. They are located in Overland Park Kansas, but have stores all over the central U.S.
Could also check with River City truck parts in Louisville.
Sometimes I'm amazed that these buses make it to your place. Wow.
They are very robust
@@BusGreaseMonkey They'll run badly for a very long time? One of my favorite sayings about old Miatas, but could be applicable here, too. :)
have never seen, 1/2 " reversed axle? no doubt contributing to wear?? almost every time, you vids are a "lab lesson" in Bus land. Informative and causing good feelings because you and your kids are returning parts, etc. back to the textbook regs. for proper operations and driving. So, for me, it maybe repeating something i have heard or watched to a neighbor in need? i am not located or situated as a "wrench". But sometimes we say things and someone else in line at the store, may hear it. And they know what to do, or they contact you GM. Lord bless all of you at the "Bus Cave"
With studs like that DOT will take plates down at list here in Canada.Scott will fix that like pro.
Wow, I hope he good a good deal on that bus
Hopefully THAT owner had nothing to do with this deferred maintenance. Nice nice work, Scott!
What a big job......
God that had to have been a rough ride!
Another well maintained vehicle! At least now it’ll be safe on the highway.. 🇦🇺🍺🍺
Dang....in terms of parts needed, this might be the neediest bus I've seen so far. He'll think he's got a new bus when you're done.
Wanderlodge earlier this year needed more
Scott you may want to start with getting a base measurement of the TORSILASTIC spring as they are currently adjusted . The sagging rear end gives the impression that the root for the tire wearing and ride height are possibly linked and the springs may not be equal side to side.
He just had every wheel weight done. It was very level side to side. According to the book height measurement it was very close in the rear but the front was low. We took measurements before we removed tires. We will follow the book procedures when adjusting
@@BusGreaseMonkey was just a thought of a possible start point in finding the problem . I know you will follow the book for the adjusting . Something in the axle geometry seems to be off and the TORSILASTIC system is notorious for being fickle let us know what you find . Have a good night you and the wife. Steve
Just think how many buses AND semi tractors are in horrible shape coming at you doing 80 mph everyday!!!! Scary as hell
metal flak paint job from a bearing chips //outstanding// and this bus is to be driven on are highways //
It called standing still turning the steering wheel to make the tire flat spots 👍
The steer tires of my Freightliner were worn the same way. It bounced so bad on the passenger side we had to replace both tires. Shocks compressed and didn't come back out, so we changed them too hoping it helps.
Check out truck parts places for that hub that should be a fairly common axle that trucks may have used
I see that the welds on those studs not only broke but also were too cold and did not penetrate.
Have some “BGM Safety Certified” decals made, apply them front and rear when a bus leaves your shop in safe operating condition. That way all potential victims on the highway know which buses to avoid, by absence of your cert. I’ll certainly give these worn out, ill-maintained, baling-wire marvels a wide berth.
Awesome
Plumb center hub lines to floor front and back its easier to measure the lines on the floor. In fact I would have permanent reference lines on the floor.
Need to make sure you put the hinges on the front side of door . Could be a mailbox collector
Been there done that with city transit buses!!
king pin could have caused that tire wear on front. Check all rear axle brackets, etc for wear. If it's like a truck you can shim the control arm on one side to get the 2 backs aligned. I would have it laser aligned once he leaves. The back end being out can cause the steer tires to wear but usually inside on one side and outside on the other.
King pin definitely caused that front tire wear. See yesterday’s video
this bus must have been a joy to drive with all them issues haa haaa
Don't know if they do it where you are but Bridgestone has mobile alignment for semi's/comercial/city/ trash trucks, may want to make friends with the local commercial/hd truck guys...
The original eagle doors were split horizontally in the middle and folded when open to provide full access, the setup he has is from an MCI or Prevost, not Eagle.
Axles should always be aligned to the steer tires thus preventing odd tracking and bulldogging issue's. If you line them to the fenders and for some reason the chassis has shifted. You can be off quite a bit. I've seen as much as 5/8 of an inch. As far as the The hub goes if you're in a tight spot it may be even more expensive than replacing the entire hub but a decent machine shop should be able to fill and redrill that hub to correct the issues.
Planning on pulling from the front but from the rear frame not the fender we can see it’s clearly off. I looked through the manual and didn’t see the procedure listed other than “it should be aligned” but we have front end work to do still before i can do that.
Wow... is it common to find so many issues at once? Our vehicles must undergo 6-monthly inspections.
Most states here rv’s like this do not ever require any inspections or even safety pre trip inspections
Scott becafull with this note as you know they have many sharp point
Nuts
I'm sure you're already aware (and I'm not the expert you are) but the real question for short term wear for the rear alignment is the difference between the two rear axles. Yes, it should be set so that everything tracks straight but on the hopefully short trip between you and an alignment shop, what matters would be are they not fighting each other. On a car, that kind of "octagonal" tire wear often is from loose suspension parts like king pins, etc. Again, you're the bus expert, not me. And finally, I always enjoy your videos. Please keep up the interesting work.
How are you planning to adjust and even distribute the weight on each wheel without scales for each corner and then you need to adjust the tag to get proper weight on it, which will take more weight off the rear and raise the ride height. I don't miss the joys of owning an eagle. Fortunately for this one, there is adjustment remaining, ours was nearly maxed out. Do you have the procedure? Let me know, I can point you to it if needed.
Man the more ya look the more ya find. Too bad it's not that way looking for gold.
Like seeing that Baldwin Filter. Imo there are no better. You'll have that buss tracking straight in no time
@0:20 : No square tires. Just low resolution ... ;-) That bus is pretty much worn. Have fun fixing !
Grinding up all that metal in the drivetrain must use some of the horsepower.
Did you flush out the housing to make sure all the metal chips are out of it?😎
Erickson truck salvage, jackson,MN may have parts or know how to find some
I’ve seen that happen to car wheels when shocks were gone, not sure if the same principle applies to heavy vehicles,
I saw a sparkly wheel hub once. Can't prove it but I think the truck got struck by lightning 4 bad bearings and strange pits in the race.
The scary thing is - how many old buses and motorhomes are running around on public roads like this? Some Owners just don't realize how dangerous their old buses are.
Interesting
that one tire had some serious camber to ware soo much on the inside
King pin
@@BusGreaseMonkey ya i was thinking something like that and not alignment
Resulting in “infinitely variable dynamic alignment.”
I expect he only came in for an oil change a light bulb. With that wheel alignment, bad shock bushes and bad wheel bearings it must have been fun to drive. He will notice the difference when he leaves. It will feel a lot firmer on the road. His wallet will be a lot lighter too. LOL Its all work that is needed to be done.
A machine shop should be able to weld the holes up and re drill them for new studs.
I think the trying to find a used one for a couple hundred dollars is a better first step
Let me know if you fix that, my f650 it’s doing that I replace king pins on the front and new drag link and rear suspension I replace bushing , shocks and stabilize bar and still wearing really bad the inner tires i call everywhere and I can’t find someone to do alignment on a f650 😔 at over $300 per tire my wallet it’s crying
You should look at Dr preload for bearings and MD alignment. There Is a mobile guy in Knoxville are that does alignment. But in the trucking industry md alignment are one of the best and doesn't require a rack or lift. Anyone can do it and tools are very cheap for it.
If the lube oil for the drive wheels is that contaminated I would believe draining and flushing the rear end differential would be justified. MCI no longer makes spare parts? Couldn’t hurt to ask if they happen to have a hub in stock. I’ll grant you that is the most expensive option. Food for thought
Except that is an Eagle, not an MCI.
Are those hubs unobtanium? Or would they be shared with other similar buses or trucks? If they're made of weldable material, filling all the wallowed out holes in and machining them back to "stock" would be my first thought, if non-weldable, opening them up a bit and pressing some top hat style bushings in from the backside should let you fit a new set of proper studs.
Those bus companies don't believe in preventive maintenance
The octagonal tire wear is most likely from running low air pressure for a long time.
He has a tpms
@@BusGreaseMonkey Is it reading all of the tires correctly?
@@BusGreaseMonkey What pressure was he running? You'll never know what it was before, but alignment doesn't cause that.
Shocks are bad over on that side too
Bad shocks can definitely cause tire cupping….
Is this another “hey lance” bus?
That lube looks a bit thin?
I hope that guy has his banker on speed dile
That's gonna be expensive
Are you gonna put doors of some sort on the shop for winter??
Hopefully
That color is antiestablishment mint
Add Flake then i think you have it
What was the person that welded the wheel bolts on to the hub, the bolts are splined and press into place not welded. Welding changes the temper of metal. Some wheel bearing require a torque, some are 30 foot lbs Do your a favour and find first. Metal expands when it gets warm.
The splines wouldn’t touch anything the holes were wallowed out. That’s why they had to weld them.
I don’t know if anybody tracked this bus down, but it is an ex New Jersey Transit bus. Fleet number 5617, 89 Eagle 20.
I think the color is rasp-bearing
Studs like that being on the road scare the hell out of me. Vibrates n breaks things, hubs, suspensions, wheels, axles. Need to bring back mandadory weight n safety inspections for private busses on the roads by. DOT N State Police just like trucks That POS poorly maintained bus should not have on the road.. Must have drove like a runaway loaded set of triples. Log trucks here for decades used to kill dozens yearly to no or garbage maintence. Big crack down on the poweful logging industry ended the slaughter Rode in a big Peterbuilt with 600 CAT n big buttons turned up. Driver was rolling 80+ on 2 lanes with 20k overloads of 4ft + old growth firs. Tie downs chains were just for looks When we stopped, I looked at front wheels. Both were cracked clear thru in most spaces between studs. Drivers were paid by delivered amount each day n mileage. Roll the coal, safety checks. BAAAAAAA funny
loose wheel stud bolts.............very sketchy. What is it about buses and neglect? Bus monkey now has a lifetime supply of quick-silver ))
Are part s still available?
$$$$$$$$$ plus more $$$$$$$
that color is GRILVER lol
I feel very bad for the bus owner those tires were new premium tires now ruined. Besides a bus repair bill to fix all the screw ups the previous stupid mechanics made he will be out another pile of money for new tires.
Hay Lance!
I don’t know why people think that’s humorous. 🤷♂️
I’m looking for driver side window and windshield for 77 mc8
Unbelievable how they are so bad
New hubs all the way around
Profesional.pero los dueños de los autobuses son un desastre.falata de mantenimiento,por lo menos visual,en 40 años a esos autobuses.
"What color would you call that?" Runny Never Sieze?
With extra sparkles
@@BusGreaseMonkeyA thought occured to me a bit ago on your suspension alignment check. I used to service a small fleet of Isuzu NPR box trucks,Isuzu's method was to pull diagonal measurements from the king pin centers to the opposite side leaf spring tie bolt and compare the two measurements. The tolerance from memory was +/-1/8". Don't know if that would work on a bus, but it might give you some more clues.
BGM 🤓☮
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@@snoopy5736 you can send me a job contract ?
Looks like a major money pit!
The main reason to chisel the nut? The chisler ain’t got any idea of what he’s doing. There’s a lot of that under shade trees. I’am also guilty of biting off more than I can chew. But I learned to spell real mechanic.