Jocko Podcast 434: War Crimes, Murder, and Leadership.
2024 ж. 15 Сәу.
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How Coalition Forces and Task Unit Bruiser fought for and maintained the moral high ground in The Battle of Ramadi. With Dave Berke, USMC.
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The latest Green Berets Chronicle has two Marines on it, one of them being the XO behind that letter. Quite interesting
I am a Currahee - was just down the road in Habbaniyah one cycle earlier (we were relieved by 1/110 from 2 BCT 28 ID). Per our BN TOC log we had about 10 contacts per day for our BN. Like most combat veterans I could give a shit less what anyone thinks about me or my time in service as long as I have the respect of the men I served with. As Jocko points out , there is pretty significant documentation regarding everything that happened. Anytime potential civilians were killed we were independently investigated by Navy CID. I’ve listened to Jockos podcasts for years and the depictions of combat in that part of Iraq ring true for me - that is one of the reasons I listen , because sometimes other people can better articulate your own experiences and feelings than you are able to yourself.
but but but ...." muh day missions" and "snipers bad they kill"
I was 2/17 on the same rotation 🤟🏻
“Independently investigated” does not equal CID (a trash organization) going outside the wire and actually doing their job. I guarantee Marines and Seals weren’t out getting SSI, and actual BDA on every, single, “target” Chris Kyle prosecuted. There aren’t enough drop guns to cover up what some of these clowns were doing in theater back then.
Glad to see a couple of my brother Screaming Eagles here. ⛩⛩⛩ I deployed with the Rakkasans in late '05.
As a former Bn Asst OpsO in 2004 in Al Asad, and a Co Cmdr in 2005/6 in Fallujah, this is a precise description of what I saw. I know a whole buncha guys from 3/7 who was in Ramadi at that time. Our SJA took statements and logged every contact in that Fallujah deployment. It was force protection. (BTW, I do remember a Seal Team coming and detaining the wife of a bad guy in Spring '06 in Fallujah. No coordination with my battalion ahead of time. Only reason why I knew they were there is that 8th Marines denied my illum mission out in support of a Plt COP in Amariyah because little birds were in the air space. Detaining a female set my effects campaign with the Muhktars back six months.) Well told, sir.
Yeah, between them and the Contractors, that sounds about like some of the shit they pulled in Kirkuk. Shit like that is never read before the third and fourth order effects come into play.
Chris Kyle even admitted to shooting a woman in his book, in a TIME interview, and on a TV interview. How can Jocko say, "...no women or children were ever engaged by anyone in TU Bruiser, ever." (1:40:54)
Lemme be clear I really like Jocko and his podcast. I’ve listened to many many episodes and have never left one of his podcasts without some kind of valuable lesson or knowledge. Purely and selfishly as a fan I want to see him defend himself because hearing these accusations genuinely hurt me for him because I think so highly of the guy. Love this man
I feel the same way. Simultaneously, extreme ownership. If he did those things, he must own them. Otherwise… he’s not the man we thought.
I watched the video as well. I believe bad actors need to be called out. But to hear those accusations against jocko after being a fan for so long and reading his books I found it so hard to believe. I even commented as such on the GBC video. That it would take more one guy to convince me that jocko was a pos. I just don't get that feeling from listening to him or after reading his books, it was so hard to believe.
@@Taydutt13 it is hard to hear Marcus Lutrell, Jocko, Chris Kyle, Rob O’Neill and a couple others I’m forgetting get called out by a member of their own community, and be accused of serious misconduct or lying. Especially because we look up to these guys and consume their content and ideology and in some cases buy their products. Idk if any of it is true. I’d have no way of knowing. But it doesn’t seem like Eric Deming is lying. The “facts” Brent Tucker lays out don’t seem like bullshit to me. All I’m saying is I hope these things are not true and maybe just a misunderstanding of some kind. And if the accusations are true then this really sucks to the people who have been mislead and who buy these people’s movies and books and products and subscribe to their channels and patreon accounts.
@follow0siris255 watch his next video covering this he goes a little more into the accusations and I don't believe Eric personally.
@@Taydutt13 who’s next video? I’ll check it out
Medic here, Deployed to Iraq in 07 to FOB Rusty close to Al Sadr City. Ill say I definitely saw some warriors among 2-16 Infantry in that time, and a relentless effort to accomplish the mission by coalition forces. Thanks Jocko for all that you do. (Edit: autocorrections from phone)
those sandwiches were good at the DFAC
@@ryanpercy3679 so damn good
See that’s how someone who was actually there talks not all that other bs people post
God bless America
41:07 i noticed chris kyle wasnt on this list of bad asses 😂. Jocko has always kept his distance when it comes to talking about him. Wonder why
He already mentioned Chris Kyle and his accomplishments. My goodness will project their own crap on everything.
Chris put in his book he was on top of the super dome shooting looters during Katrina. The guy is a complete tool box. Would you want to take up for him? Look what he did to Jessie Ventura.
@@mycatsaliberal3848when did he say that?
@@thomassells2356 sorry I didn’t mean jocko said that. Chris Kyle said that in his book. That was the same book that he lied in about punching Jessie Ventura
"Jocko has always kept his distance..." This is just wrong. He has talked about kyle on this podcast many times over the years.
This episode is a breath of fresh air that finally explains the tactical, operational, strategic, and political complexities of conducting multidomain counterinsurgency warfare…. Many out there should be taking notes: Conventional, SOF, OGA, political, etc. Because not many understand the various aspects of different units in a battle space.
Lmao
It's a paper trail to cover your ass. Dave Berk is a badass. He's on Jockos payroll he works for Echelon Front.
There’s no excuse for what the IDF does in Gaza… and I’m not just talking about this time.
@@1Deep43VAShouldn’t you be at a march right now 💩
@@Jewjitsu_ aw… you little IOF defenders sure get touchy when the people actually say the truth instead of kowtowing the line. Don’t you have a Ben Shapiro video you need to get back to? I’m sure he’ll tell you all the little sweet-nothings you could ever want
What I took from this is and Demings account was that I have no right or reason to draw opinion on an environment or about people I have no first hand experience with. Especially in warfare in foreign lands.
Smartest person I’ve read so far
What I took from it is that these guys should have a conversation on a podcast. Someone’s lying and it will be easier to determine if they’re together.
That's the most intelligent response I've seen thus far.
So hard to find the truth but I would like to see them sit down.
What I took from this account is that most American tax payers have no clue what they are funding and others either don't care or are complacent. Either way, the military industrial complex was able to bankrupt this country just as Eisenhower warned us.
The personality it takes to cover up for war crimes is the exact personality it takes to profit from them.
Hackworth talks about this in his book as well. How his "raiders" were used inappropriately to support the main units by being asked to do suicide missions.
Questions he didn’t answer. Did you know men under your command were unlawfully killing people. Did you lie to your superiors about what you were doing and where you were. Did you ever see a violation or order a violation of the rules of engagement and not reported.
Questions you need to answer. What evidence do you have that proves any of that nonsense actually happened ? Why would someone need to answer those questions ? those things would have needed to take place in order for him to answer those questions. Without any evidence, those questions are based on assumptions. If someone tells your wife that you were cheating on her and they were told by someone that they witnessed you with another woman... How would you prove that you weren't cheating on your wife ? They would first need to prove that you were because there would not be any evidence of something that never happened !!! Do you understand how that works? Some people just aren't very good at thinking ! It is best for those people to keep their thoughts to themselves. They end up doing more harm than good. They put doubt in the minds of others which can cause people working together to turn on each other.
I think people are more interested in the beef than the actual truth. Because the truth still isn't good enough for most people if it goes against their biases.
100%. The truth is likely a boring place in-between what Jocko says and what Deming says. And people who love the 'beef' angle will not like the truth. Because the truth probably is very typical, expected, non-controversial, etc.
What does Deming have to gain by lying? Is he jealous? I don't get it.
@sgtrock2821 I don't think he thinks he is lying, I also don't think he is entirely 'lying'. I think he is embellishing and name dropping to make a point about seal culture. Truth lies somewhere between Jocko and Deming I would guess. It's not all rosy, it's not all international crime syndicate either.
@@sgtrock2821 followers and attention for one.
@@sgtrock2821I have no idea who is telling the truth, but seeing military drama first hand I can tell people will lie for reasons that make no sense. I've seen a guy lie about getting married, I've seen a guy get falsely accused of SA and then his leader refuses to collaborate for his alibi. I have seen people lie about so many things for so many reasons. I even seen people lie when they have nothing to gain from it.
One of the roads no one traveled down in Ramadi was route Duster. When we Ripped in, the prior unit hadnt gone more than a quarter mile away from the fob in over 3 months using that route. I worked with ST3 TUB on multiple operations in the beginning of 07. Seth Stone was the commander(red bull) at the time. Some of the worst and greatest memories I have are from operations with them. Seths picture hangs on my memorial wall.
TUB got 36 marines killed. I wonder if that's why the Marine shot Chris Kyle
The indirect approach, nice.
Jocko: If you had your own gym, what kind would it be? Echo: Curls?
This reminds me of an upper level manager explaining the big picture/commander's intent to a front line employee who wasn't involved in all the coordination and planning that is required to execute a task. If all the after-action reports and investigations were conducted, reviewed and closed, are these claims by Eric the equivalent of finding proof that sasquatch exists?
If the fact that ALL THOSE mentioned AAR's, investigations, reviews, etc. gave us the false narrative of Rodger's Ridge & the John Chapman stolen valor or Marcus Lutrells COMPLETELY FABRICATED Sole Survivor version of what happened in Op Redwings, then it means nothing trying to use these as a credible source to white wash anything that Task Force Bruiser might have or might not have done.
Australian SAS got caught with War Crimes too,
Jocko, thank you for your service... Thank you for taking the time to explain your opinion of the difficult tasks, decisions, problems, & perspective of your time in Iraq. Remembering the over 3615 + Casualties we lost in Iraq, per last released intel, CORRECTION: As of 2006, over 17,381 troops were wounded, treated in the BAGHDAD ER 86th CSH, including Navy Seals, Marines, all service branches. Remembering Elite Rangers Sgt. Ricardo Barraza-24, Sgt. Dale G.M. Brehm-23 (3rd deployments) 2nd/75th Infantry, they were the 119th, 120th members since 3/19/2003 to die in Irag in Ramadi. Prayers and love to all the families who lost a loved one and healing to all, especially the Disabled American Veterans who have to face severe hardships for the rest of their lives, as well as the large number of homeless Veterans that suffer on the streets of our nation today. A prayer for healing to all military branches involved, including the Rangers, Marines, the Seals, Green Berets, and SOF community, and a request to love each other, forgive and let go of criticism. (Save that for the politicians). 20 years is too long to hang on to resentment in any form. It kills your spirit. Just let it go....and be a family. None of us are without flaw.. Love you all.❤️
The guy has no credible allegations whatsoever. All he says is "everybody knew XYZ", providing only the most vague outlandish accusations with zero evidence or corroboration, and painting highly complex processes as super straightforward and casual. It's simply not possible for things to have occured the way he describes them. Maybe there's some truth to what he's saying, I don't know 'cause I wasn't there, but the way he presents things is unbelievably bad faith. There's always nuance to things, ESPECIALLY such high pressure situations, and for him to present things as super simple/straightforward is painfully biased. And let's not forget this guy tried to imply that Seth Stone's death was intentional... The guy is a clear scumbag, and he pretends like he's doing this shit "for the good of the teams"... it seems quite clear there's an agenda to try and stain Jocko... I wonder why...
Did you serve with them???
@budgibson185 A valid point actually. That said, I do not believe Deming served with them either. Being SEAL at the same time is like being a Target employee at the same time as someone in a different state.
These allegations were also made against Jocko in the book “Damn few”.
This feels like a left wing political version of salting the earth... find some attention seeking SEAL with a gripe, pay him, and push him to the forefront. It can't be a coincidence that this stuff is popping up after 20 years the moment Jocko starts being talked about in a political context.
@@renewed6250marines in ramadi are making the same accusations against task unit bruiser. Also the seal community is small, Eric served over 20 plus years in the seal teams, safe to say he knows people.
This is a textbook example of the indirect approach. Good job, always professional jocko!
@@joshreeves3369 😂 bro the fk. What does God have to do with anything in this video. I don't even know if Joko is Christian. Who cares.
With plenty of room for cowardness allegations - as indirect attacks in origin themselves. Not sure a good move on this one. That's what politicians do.
@joshreeves3369 I don't know anything about him other than what Leif had said about him in an early podcast. Jocko mentioned every operation and shot fired was authorized, and every incident was investigated properly. I don't know what happened. I wasn't there, but Chris is no longer with us, so all we have is second hand accounts.
@@stevenkat2043Chris Kyle was a known liar so I wouldn’t believe anything he would say anyway
Indirect is what women do. Men hit head on
I felt awkward when Jocko talked about the bad guy hiding behind the kid and how they shot the bad guy, but didn’t say what happened to the kid…like if this was the same situation as the accusation of shooting through the kid that would be weird..
I’d like to see Jocko address the Chris Kyle fabrications. I understand not speaking ill of the dead, but the truth matters.
Day 33 of jocko let’s get John Stryker Meyer on Joe Rogans podcast before he’s gone he wants to go on
Heck yes!
Good Morning Gentlemen.
Morning sir 🌞
Bro the investigation stuff give me a flash to the Marines. A staff sergeant berated a lance corporal saying some pretty horrible stuff to him off work hours. I wasn't even there and I was questioned about it by a major. Word does really travel fast in the military. I can't tell you what it was like when Jocko was in, but I can say it hard to get way with stuff now.
Jocko, you need to sit down with this former SEAL who has made these accusations about your colleagues and your conduct when you were leading Task Unit Bruiser. The comments range from accusations of poor character to being complicit in actual war crimes. Your whole brand is 'integrity'. Your fanbase deserves this. - - - - - - - - - - - - - EDITED 28/04/24 - 12 days after originally commenting. Since commenting, I have come to realise Jocko's comments about the Gaza conflict, the ongoing genocide, etc. were made (coincidentally, I'm sure) just before these accusations started. We are about to enter yet another "summer of love". I for one am against the way Israel is conducting war and inflicting genocide upon a civilian population, and I'm even more disgusted with the way our own politicians in the West behave with Israel, as if they are under some sort of spell. However, I can smell the coming psy-op a mile off, where millions of young people have been almost lead to this place. I suspect the extension of government powers in "response" to this unrest has already been planned out well in advance. Keep your heads screwed on, guys.
@@bimotavdue4129LOL okay bro. 😂👍
That guy's whole schtick is about shitting on successful veterans, and he's just getting attention for his channel.
@@bimotavdue4129 that's... A bit of a stretch. The accusations made against Jocko are very specific and allegedly resulted in human tragedy. This isn't trivial.
@@slappy8941 I find it hard to believe that someone would be so foolish. I wouldn't want to slander ex-SF and Spec Ops guys.
The guy has no credible allegations. All he says is "everybody knew XYZ", providing only the most vague outlandish accusations with zero evidence or corroboration, and painting highly complex processes as super straightforward and casual. It's simply not possible for things to have occured the way he describes them. Maybe there's some truth to what he's saying, I don't know 'cause I wasn't there, but the way he presents things is unbelievably bad faith
Hey jocko, remeber when team 6 was reading the after action reports on all the sniper kills? And they sent a few of their snipers to ramadi to see if they could get in on all the action and then quickly noped out because they saw what chris kyle was really doing? Pepperidge farms remembers
Got a reference for what you’re talking about?
@terminally_phill3536 yes my bad. The book code over country
@@terminally_phill3536search for it on youtube theirs a dude that came out
Jocko and Kyle and murderous criminals and should be in jail
"Hold left clear Right"
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." ~ Salt from My Attic 1928, John A Shedd
The way you describe your partner force reminds me about the ANP in our AO,these guys were worse..constantly high during ops on raw opium and they were all hooked on valium (not that I really blame them for that). We tried to equip them with modern gear but it all made its way to the market D+1:P
Always a great cast when Berke is on! 💯
Dave Berk is a badass one of the best but he's on Jockos payrole he works for echelon front he's a yes man.
"GOOD DEAL DAVE? 👀" - Charles, Echo
@@joshreeves3369 Dave Burke has talked about his role in Iraq for a long time now, can you show me anytime he’s changed his story.
@obamavariant9128 Dave Berk is a badass he does an outstanding job. I listened to him when he was first on the podcast a few yeats ago. He's been on the podcast several times. The problem is that he's on Jockos payrole he works for Echelon Front. He won't say anything that will tarnish the brand.
Thank you for putting this out Big Guy! Much love Jocko & David, -Team Bulldog
Hey brother so I’m curious if you were in Ramadi with them. I have been browsing these comments and guys claiming they were there and Deming is telling the truth (not clear which part of what he said they’re referring to though) but from my experience in Afghanistan it makes no sense. I don’t want to argue something I’m not sure of but the what Jocko says makes a lot of sense. What’s your perspective?
Hi brother! & I appreciate the way you’re thinking & yes, I was there with them. Not NSW, but as part of 1 of the 2 Infantry Platoons that took & held COP Falcon. We fell under Bulldog 6, who was at the time CPT. Mike Bajema “Main Gun Bajema” operating out of Combat OutPost Falcon at the corner of Baseline & Route Michigan. Cleared many buildings with them, set up SKT’s to kill AQI, & capturing HVT’s. The enemy we fought was a relentless evil most have never seen - on a never ending basis. To my understanding, Ramadi’s AQI would later become what the world knew as ISIS. The brutality was always there, they just rebranded. I have no ideal where Eric So&So is getting these ridiculous claims, but I do wonder why a 27yrs of service Navy guy “Eric” seemed a bit unsure in many of his allegations when he wasn’t giving commentary of material he had no real idea of. It’s been 18yrs since I fought in Ramadi & I’ve NEVER forgotten anything about that hellscape. Never! Somebody should ask Eric if he remembers JUBBA. I bet he doesn’t. Maybe he’s disgruntled, jealous about God knows what, or never had to be absolutely sure “he was going to die today”. Who knows, but the proximity to death & reexamination of this usually forces a man to become more than what he showed up as. Maybe he never got the opportunity to “be tested” in the way young men of yesteryear urn for. No Clue as to what Eric’s incentive is here but time will expose it. Cheers brother & I hope you’re being good to yourself!
@@ecpeast8515 what an awesome reply! Thank you for your insight I appreciate it! Stay well brother and thank you for your service🇺🇸
100% brother & same to you.
Thanks for a great show fellas!
Duty and Dishonor: The Marines Revelation of Task Unit Bruiser. Jocko's past
In Bayji in late '05, we had a month or so where things got bad for us, but this was only a short span during our stay there. Most of the rest of the year, primarily in the Tikrit area, was fairly quiet and mundane. That bad month was where our Rakkasans ⛩⛩⛩took the first three casualties of the brigade that deployment, nearly 20% of our total for the entire year--one small FOB during one month. It could have been worse, but most of the attacks on our base were inaccurate, thankfully, and the IEDs hadn't become sophisticated enough to defeat our best armor...yet (that would come later, unfortunately, with EFPs and more complex devices). All this to say that Bayji and Tikrit were nothing compared to Ramadi at its height. I couldn't fathom what level of hell they went through during the battle of Ramadi.
That Eric guy has trashed every special forces guy who was able to monetize after the military. I wish every vet could monetize the same way. Even Eric.
I'm going to add something about the Green Beret Chronicles in our high school football team that I had made the choice to not be a part of. For personal reasons. That team Had as much drama as some of the stuff that was brought up on that podcast, from steroids to hard drugs leading to murders and a lot of other things that never got brought up at all. Obviously, these things aren't good, but this is the reality of life. If anyone is going to be held accountable for the war situation, we need to go to the very top and ask if we should have even been in any of those wars at all. The answer is no. We shouldn't have been there. The CIA shouldn't have created a situation to put people willing to do questionable things in the first place. "You want a killer dog, but you don't want that dog to kill. That's not how life works. Anyone who has worked at a corporation knows that there is what happened and there is a politically correct way to describe what happened. So to have some do-gooder come out and say these guys didn't do things the Boy Scout way. But neither was the enemy. If these situations are to be addressed, it needs to start from the top down officially and unofficially. For the known players to the unknown. Hold everyone accountable or hold no one accountable. To be a human that accepts everyone, criminal or not, is very Jesus-like. To live life for the experience is a Zen-like quality. You can't do that if you're being too careful. So who has the proper way of living, Jocko style or the proper Boy Scout ethics.
I used to drive down route Irish by myself in a civilian SUV in early ‘04 quite often and without drama of any kind. Yet, when I was going out near Fallujah there would be 3 vehicles, myself and my team along with a PSD team and about 10 AKs amongst us. Like has been previously said, the 2 places are only about 40 miles apart but at the time like being on a different planet.
I was Army Baghdad '04-'05 never once going to or from BIAP on Irish did we get in a gunfight or have an IED. Then again we were a Grunt unit so always looking for a fight. Route Grizzlies, Gold and Copper on the other hand, we got in a ton of fights. Unit posture at least at that time to me had a big factor in if you got in a fight or not.
You weren't in TQ in Nov 06 were you? I met a guy that said something similar outside of a tea/coffee place that was mostly glass. Kinda of like a greenhouse.
@@expattechnician9496 TQ???
@@expattechnician9496 TQ??? Nov ‘06 I was in Camp Wolf bear Al Asad airbase.
@stephenhogg2472 Al-Taqqaddum (TQ). It was West of Fallujah, South of Habbaniyah.
Thank you for all yr Service and Sacrifice, God bless you all and yr families, thank you
Loved this podcast episode. I was In ramadi from 04-05. Though my contact experience wasn’t as intense as others’, I definitely got my share
Wonder if Eric Deming making another video on this one?
Good morning brothers! Let’s get it today!
At about 1 hour and 50 minutes or so in, Jocko talks about guys bragging on him. I can relate. Throughout the years, you get a reputation, and hopefully it's a good one, filled with ethics and morals. Staff used to say to me that the administration wouldn't "mess" with me. I'd have to correct them right away.. letting them know that oh, yeah they'll mess with me, if I do the wrong thing. Staff would say it in a complimentary way, however I had to remind them that I was no different than they were. Screw up on accident, be ready to answer with honesty. Screw up intentionally? You're done.
Stand with you brother. Nicki shouldn’t give the time of day of what ppl are saying. This is the way you handle bs lies in behalf of what is going around these days. Calling out our warriors and saying ohh there exposed is the new cancel culture. Job well done site and thank your for your leadership in task force bruiser !
It's a fellow war fighters calling Jocko out. Not some random people.
They tried to do the same thing to Eddie Gallagher
@barlow2377 read the book Alpha. It amazes me how some people still think a bunch of Navy SEALs were just mad at Gallagher over nothing.
Saw the title and figured Jocko was answering his recent allegations of failure and total lack of care for his fellow frogmen. Hope to hear some extreme accountability from him soon.
Regardless of what we might think about Deming, his character and accusations...Jocko should at some point really tackle the whole Luttrell story. Perhaps even get Luttrell himself on the podcast, though I don't see that happening.
Was stationed in Fallujah an Al Asad and Al Walid FOB in Iraq. Each was night an day compared to each other. Ran IED sweeps,Convoy security, patrols of the MSRs. We ran to just about every base mentioned here. Ill never forget Route Michigan an Mobile. We mostly got mortered in Fallujah an in Al Asad it was so big they barely reach the inner perimeter. But on the road it was only IEDs. On The Fob our mission was to train the Iraqi Police force an work along side the Iraqi. Border patrol. That was a whole different experience on its own.
This was all from March 06 to OCT 06
My squad leader spoke of Ramadi being the 7th layer of hell. Sorry if you guys think this man did anything wrong. We forget what happened in both great wars and Vietnam. It’s the way of war. If there’s a finger to point blame it’s not against the is man but towards the political system that put our heroes in this war. Same ppl who claim bs is the same who take a knee when the anthem is played. Good man and good work. Long live task force bruiser !!!!
Exactly. That deeming character gives me industry plant vibes. Hes probably been ordered by intelligence agencies to smear Jocko. He was on Green Beret chronicles, another veteran show based on woke bs
The whole system is corrupt, politicians, media, Hollywood, social media extra. The world is about to go through a transition from old world order to new world.
💯 percent
Well it's just a basic fact that his reputation has been attacked. I think if Jocko wants to defend it its gonna take more than a podcast with his friends. Some of us just want to see the drama but I believe most people want the truth. No good decent person wants to believe that these guys we heard and believe heros are not. Unfortunately we are all skeptical because of how man times we have been lied to.
I believe that all parties involved are credible witnesses. I would really like to see Jocko invite some of these men on his podcast so they can hash it out. The legality, however, will likely prevent that from ever happening. God bless the Marine Corps, Navy, and the Army.
I agree that he and other members of the popular SEAL community should probably address to some degree what Eric Deming and Brent Tucker have said. The things being said and alleged are not insignificant and if they are true then it is a bit of a disappointment to us as fans of these people especially when they build a brand on integrity and honesty and brotherhood and then profit from said brands. For those interested in looking further into this check out Eric Deming’s interview with not only Brent Tucker (which is the main chunk of accusations and information) but also The Green Beret Chronicle podcast with Eric Deming. The later goes into Jockos info more substantially.
Saying that Chris Kyle was a war criminal and a wife beater against Taya is specific
Did he say that...
@@splootanmultiple people have said it
18 years later…..
@@obamavariant9128 they said it then too people just didn't want to hear it..o yea they made a movie about him..he must of been perfect
They'll protect the band and make it disappear.
Eric Deming is accusing jocko and Kyle of war crimes on civilians. Jocko needs to answer these videos by brent tucker and green beret chronicles
I love how people write “needs to” like they have some sort of authority. 😂 . The indirect approach, just like he teaches. Goal complete.
Why he just did.
Give your mom the phone back 💩
@@Jewjitsu_ 🤣
That guy has clearly been sought out, paid, and amplified by some left wing political entity. Its been almost 20 years FFS. Wake up. There's no way that this comes out the moment Jocko dips his toes into the political waters and has RFK on. People need to pay attention and stop indulging the crabs in the bucket BS. Edit: the Chris Kyle stuff, i actually believe. The rest is context free, subjective nonsense from a guy who wasnt there making judgements about a situation he was never a part of.
Answered none of the questions we desired 😂😂😂😂
I really dont have a dog in the fight, i like Jocko but ill never meet him, so it really doesnt matter. But, just a few reasons why i think Deming is full of shit. 1. Hes been out since 2016 or 17, he could have called Jocko out long before now. 2. The Marine account i heard from Deming was not named and used autobot to tell the story. 3. Jocko has had more Seals on then just team mates and they all hold high regards for him, unless hes gonna say all the Seals Jocko has had on are bullshit Seals. 4. Jockos got alot of love from Marines from what ive seen, pretty sure Marines would have called him out long ago. Marines at least the ones i know dont normally pussyfoot around. What has Deming do for society after he got out??? Think he just jealous. But, thats just my opinion! Its still America for now, so think what you like.
I think it is in between. I think something like this will be the reality: Jocko allowed for some corruption or not approved action - and/or was not able to control it Some people on his team were total POS Deming dislikes the negative seal culture Deming has long sought to call it out and get it forced to change Deming also seems to have some sort of beef after getting out - not sure what about though Deming sees seals getting money and fame and attention by riding the seal brand (which is 100%, true. even for Jocko, although he does it at least semi-honorably in my view) Deming seeks to call out all of the famous ones I do find the transition from commander of TU to training a little odd, especially with no promotion coming with any of it -reeks of "put this guy somewhere that he can do as little harm as possible". But all of that, is conjecture. As far as anyone can tell - this guy simply asked around and found people who had negative things to say. On GB chronicles...he gets cornered on "was there a rule about daytime missions? because sometimes that happens?" and he said "ok I dont know I will give him benefit of the doubt but he still put people in harms way"....ehh, seems not really vetted, his intel. In this thread alone - you can find Marines and other people who were there (At least they claim), who thought Jocko and his team were great. You will also find people who say his team ruined progress and created chaos. Likely, truth is somewhere in between.
@renewed6250 thanks for the comment! I appreciate the insight.
Not that you are completely wrong, but that Marine who wrote that letter is real, Ryan Thornton.
Also the fact that alleged devgru and Delta guys are saying hey you're daylights are going to get Marines targeted waaay worse. Jocko allegedly ignored these tips
You know what "Patrol To Contact" is right? Jocko was very clear that he and his guys were there to pick fights and take it to the enemy... It sounds like this guy seems weirdly offended that tier one guys would undertake the same missions, and accompanying risks that "lowly" line infantry do every day. *and, i think its very weird that its coming out after nearly 20 years, now that Jocko is being persistently mentioned and asked about potential political roles. I'd bet that he was sought out, paid, and pushed forward by some shady left wing political organization as a "salt the earth" operation. Its because they fear him. Jocko could run for governor of Maine THIS CYCLE, and he would win.
@ianmedford4855 yo I was literally going to say that so thank you.
@awarenesswithchris ALSO the Marines and Army actually have command over their troops I guarantee an 0-3 ( the rank I’m assuming Jocko was at the time ) wasn’t telling a Marine Battalion Commander what he was and was not going to do with the lives of his Marines it’s easy to blame people. People die in combat it is what it is, people do the best they can if outright murder on the scale Eric Deming suggested was real someone would be in jail
@@ianmedford4855 patrol to contact? That's stupid. You don't pay attention or do research. His unit was making things worse.
@@ianmedford4855you nailed it, it’s very likely you are right
People shouldn’t judge any Jocko or any other war fighter , if you weren’t present for it, opinions really don’t matter. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion of course. After Gallagher situation, everything is questionable. Most units loss people. Some were at 70% in Ramadi. Deming waited a long time to make allegations. All I can speak on is November 7, 2004. Everywhere was different
Has ANYONE EVER heard Jocko mention ANYTHING about Roberts Ridge? I never have.
What’s your point? I’ve never heard him mention anything about lawn mowers either.
He didn't have anything to do with Robert's Ridge.
Sounds like just a question. No I haven't
@SynovialFluid because obviously Jocko knows exactly what happened there. The community is so small everyone knows what went down with Robert's Ridge.
@@superflyers148 You’ve listened to too many podcasts on conspiracy’s sir…
thank you for your service
I was 11B but never left the country because there wasn't anything happening in the mid-90s, so my unit never deployed. Jocko got into such depth here, I almost feel like I was there. I can understand pretty well what was happening over there from his description. This is the most I've ever learned in three hours about something in my life.
They did these Direction action missions and ended up costing us dearly on our end in Anbar providence for their actions while we built relations with the community or tried to atleast.
There's absolutely nothing to say that your way was working any better than theirs. There is such thing as pussy-footing around and sometimes shit can't wait while you're digging irrigation ditches.
Ah yes, your way won the war. Oh wait
@Danlovestrivium were you in Anbar? I doubt it so you have no clue what your even talking about or what the objective was. I served 3 tours and you some nerve saying we pussy footed around. That's why we were constantly having to go in as QRF and save seals all the damn time. If you weren't there just don't speak
@doug7474 we didn't win shit anyway after 20yrs of being there and put QRF and rangers were constantly having to save the seals ass. Seals couldn't whipe their ass without calling for help from the rangers. Like I said above I doubt you were there so you have no idea what you are saying. America hasn't won a war since ww2 and we only beat Japan because Russia is the ones who took Germany and ended Nazi control.
@doug7474 I bet you love the movie Lone Survivor? You know that whole story is coming to light how Marcus Luttrel ran left his team and when he was rescued he had all his mags full still and he said his team was also dead whole Axel lived for another 8 days waiting for help but Luttrel said he was dead and when the rangers found him he was only dead for little over a day or hoe about Chris Kyle and all his lies or how fellow Seal left Chris Chapman to die on Robert's Ridge. Also it wasn't " My Way" idiot I'm not a general calling the shots. While we were serving you were probably having a good ol care free time back home being a little punk.
Great how IRAQI war veterans are fighting over who did the least war crimes
Well we killed around 700k civilians over there
Just throwing smoke…
I'm glad Jocko took the time to explain his side in great detail. Makes total sense. IYKYK
"There is no mission that is worth the life of one of my guys." "There will be a risk on every mission." This flies in the face of what nearly every American believes about military personnel, and everyone should hear this message.
Oh shit.
war in general it seems tends to become more complicated the higher up the ranks is goes...guessing' there's reason why theres special forces, & and there's this and that branch ect.
Plot twist: Eric Deming is actually bankrolled by Jocko to cook up some wild publicity stunts. But on a real note, you’ve served, and I haven't, so I don’t really know what war feels like. It’s out of line for me to say if any old school club rules were broken... or not.
Is this the response to the Eric Deming allegations?
Yea
No didn’t you listen? Jocko is getting a divorce! Him and Exho Charles are now married and living in San Francisco!
I’m guessing this is in response to the videos that other seal has been in saying how Jocko and Chris Kyle were committing war crimes to get recognition?
Yeah man unfortunately
Jocko fabricated sit-reps, briefings, etc. he wanted to be in Devgru so bad that he thought he could build his name up by commanding the deadliest nastiest team. everyone hated him he got multiple brothers killed. all while eating asshole in the rep room. no one seams to have spoke about his homosexual relations he was written up on while commanding task force bruiser. legitimately what happened is Chief walked in on him eating Labins asshole with their trousers down about to have sex. he was written up they both were. following the incident he was suspended for 3 months pending investigation. they didnt know wat or how to deal with it. thats around the time bruiser was shut down
So basically Jokco is saying, yeah it's kinda true but it's not as bad and they let us do it/said it was okay, so it was ok. Because if the government says so that makes it truth apparently.
I was in 3ACR We definitely got shit done and jock hit this on the head.
Jocko flanking. Genius. Well done. However Jesse Ventura didn’t get knocked out
To be fair, there is a ton of he said - she said involved in that case and there were many witnesses on either side that made declarations opposing each other. There's such a low bar needed in civil suits that it's just easier to let insurance cover it, which it did. The vast majority of the judgement ($1.35M) was overturned in appeals court and the US Supreme court declined to hear the appeal. Kyle's estate paid nothing. But I think it's safe to say that, regardless of whether Kyle punched Ventura or not, based on all we've heard from Jesse, it's not even close to being unbelievable that Jesse said what Kyle accused him of saying. Which would have absolutely deserved a punch in the face.
You’re right. Ventura didn’t get punched. No one’s going to tell me that a man the size of Ventura and on blood thinning medication at the time got punched in the face and it didn’t leave him any marks or bruises . The same injuries Kyle claimed Ventura had. kzhead.info/sun/ftduptGxrJWVlKs/bejne.htmlsi=NLiVRr4mlHUDpDBL
@@Danlovestrivium what did ventura say?
@@HomeshighlandPark Numerous SEALs and their families that were at the wake for MoH recipient Michael Monsoor stated that Ventura, mad about the war, was being a loud-mouth talking about how US troops were murdering innocent civilians. Then, after being confronted about it, Jesse allegedly said the SEALs "deserved to lose a few guys". One SEAL testified in court that he witnessed Jesse saying that the SEALs deserved to lose a few. He testified "It’s something that sticks with you" and that he saw Kyle punch Jesse. Other witnesses had some combination of the three but didn't hear the remark, see the punch and see Jesse fall, they only was one or two of the three. One of Jesse's friends and former UDT guy and his wife said he never heard Jesse say those things.
@@Danlovestrivium probably was something that happened and people exaggerated. Like they exaggerated with Jocko murdering everyone in sight. I wish Chris was still here so they can fight for real. And let it go.
TU bruiser maintained the moral highground? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 meanwhile chris kyle murdering just for fun apparently jocko what about the allegations that you started a business while on active duty and funneled contracts to your own business? any extreme ownership in addressing these allegations that are now coming out?
This was one of the best rebuttals I have seen. It explains the situation on the ground, the reality of war/conflict, and the system around, in a way where any doubters know where they can find reports and official documents to fact check. And the high ground taken, in not counter attacking the accusers, shows class. This was handled WAY better than I would have done. Leadership lessen learnd 🫡
Nope those allegations are specific. The only way this goes away is if Jocko has a contradictory figure come on. Not his friends and people he's cool with
@@awarenesswithchrisI love how you say things with such authority as if anyone gives a fuck what you think😂
@@awarenesswithchris An anonymous Marine XO writing a letter doesn’t exactly scream credibility, especially when it’s 20 years later. Also, doesn’t it seem odd that shortly after Jocko brings on RFK Jr this supposedly former SEAL starts trying to tarnish Jocko’s reputation? Isn’t the timing just a little odd? Definitely doesn’t pass the sniff test.
@Me707B he has made a great point.
@@trugrit7210 if you’re talking about @awarenesswithchris no he truly hasn’t. A guy that CLEARLY knows Jocko made the comments on a podcast (twice) with no evidence and no one challenging what he thinks and when Jocko decides to defend himself ON HIS PODCAST he has to do it with a guy that he clearly doesn’t agree with? That makes 0 sense. Now that they’ve both told their sides they can go somewhere else and debate like maybe before congress since this dude claims MURDER HAS BEEN committed. If he wasn’t disingenuous that’s where he would’ve gone in the first place.
@jocko …. When in Vegas….. Primal Steak house….. highly, highly recommend
What Jocko does that the critics don’t, is he cites specific people, places, dates, events, and protocols. I watched the GB Chronicles again, and it’s all anecdotes. Things they heard, what the marines were saying, like the body supposedly rolled in a carpet. Wouldn’t there be documentation of the investigation even if it was a cover up? In police work this is often what gets folks in trouble, poor, inaccurate, or fabricated reporting. Jocko is obviously a better public speaker and a very polished story feller. But his ability to cite specifics tends to lend him more credibility imo. I don’t mean to suggest Demming and Ryan are lying, but most of their complaints are anecdotes or folks calling Jocko names.
So war crimes don't happen because it's impossible to get away with. Got it😂
Good overview of his whole argument.
Civilian deaths do unfortunately happen - these are reported, investigated and punished. Random and unjustified killings of civilians for no reason could not happen without someone reporting it or investigating it. Look at the amount of media and investigation around the Eddie Gallagher case - that was the killing of one person - do you really think if an entire unit was out there randomly killing dozens of civilians a week it wouldn't have been reported or question until 18 years later?
Since I wasn’t there, I’ll go by the well documented history. In Aviation, we ribbed each other. To make each other better. What I see in the Special Operations Community is rather than telling your own story, you kick the other guy to make yourself look better.
Great episode 🔥🔥
Extreme ownership? Didnt address a single direct accusation. Went in circles. More of a lawyer than a soldier. More people need to realize this guy went out on the ground f all.
Just address the allegations and say they’re true or false
Sorry, you are too smooth brained to see the big picture on what Jocko is doing and need everything spelled out in crayons.
He really should just nut up and say his side of the story
@@YeeBoiiLuhsLearning he just spent 2 hours doing that...pay attention. Sorry that he is not lowering himself to playing that " you did that - no i didn't" game
Go away commie.
If you’re on here and you think that this is not a direct response you’re probably a little slow and two you’re most likely not a combat veteran. From my perspective he addressed what Eric Deming said 1. He wasn’t on the ground in Ramadi 2. He’s (Deming) speaking about things he doesn’t actually know. 3. It’s all documented go read it if you want to know what happened. Eric Deming is speaking rumor what Is Jocko going to do ? Just sit there and argue with him and say “no I didn’t “ for two hours? Read between the lines and draw your own conclusions. As a vet the general consensus is “ my guys know what I did and where my heart was f-- anyone that wasn’t there and your opinion”🫵that quote is for all you folks talking about what the “listeners deserve”
So all the marines who have spoken about it..or the devgru guys who have spoken about it..all were lying huh? You know best lolol
You don’t think marines committed war crimes bud?
@@andrewminnich5106your a tool give your mom the phone back
What marines? Which devgru guys? We haven’t seen or heard anyone yet
@@tyronetrump1612 YOU havent..lots of other people have who can look and search for information unlike you apparently
Thanks for the podcast. It's always good to get another perspective. Thanks for the motivation warfighter.
when i saw Green Beret Chronicles coming down on Jocko, i came here first, Jocko, you've made a name for yourself of unbelievable honesty! thank you sir for your honesty! yes, war is an absolute shit show... and if you werent there, you cant say shit! how many "higher ups" would actually own their situations?
All SOF units who didn’t have specific missions fucked over a lot of Army and Marine Corps infantry units. They went into our area of operations and started hitting areas that we had locked down. A lot of those botched raids resulted in grunts being killed by people who had a child killed in a raid or in an air strike that SOF called in. CAG and Rangers were probably the most polished SOF forces in Iraq. Green Berets abandoned their core mission to turn every ODA into a wannabe CAG force. SEALs who didn’t operate at the DEVGRU level were running around making shit up. They would steal our targets who did not deserve a SOF strike. At the end of the day, none of us should have been there.
Bro stop making up shit…just stop. You’re probably a 25 yo carpet cleaner.
The only thing I agree with you is your last sentence because nobody should have ever agreed to fight for any US President nor any Globalist staged Wars - the rest of your comment described many typical BS things that has happened in all wars and all militaries, which my father and siblings who were in military branches have their own stories of military BS. As for me I did not join GWOT and ignored the marine recruiter I talked to once because I knew by end of 2003 Bush and his cronies were all lying about existence of WMD's, which is why I gave the US Military a super hard pass and never trusted any US Govt leaders from then on. Hopefully people now see all the Govts work for Globalists agendas and plans, so if you care for your life and other people's lives don't enlist nor rejoin any Globalist controlled militaries because you will become their cannon-fodder or tool.
Everything you said is accurate.
I hope nobody believes this nonsense! What this guy said is fiction at best! Look at how many times you said SOF,CAG etc… you were never even in the military!
you know the truth brother
Thank you for not caving into the stupid drama.
You probably didn't even review the other side. Jocko fans
Lmao serious allegations of reckless command, control, and decision making is not "drama". If the allegations are true, Jock strap is responsible for war crimes and OpFor retaliatory attacks that have killed America troops.
@@awarenesswithchris Given he's mentioning not caving into the stupid drama I'd say he's referencing it precisely. My goodness, the resentment people have towards the success of others is not to be underestimated.
@@Johnzen03 Just because you know there is another side doesn't mean that it was properly reviewed. Also this clearly goes beyond jealously
@@marv34001you have to wonder though, jocko has been very public since 2014ish. That’s nearly 10 years of living in the public eye. What other reason does a person have to make claims other than spite or jealousy at this point? I watched the other video in its entirety. I find it hard to believe someone else hasn’t said anything similar in that time span.
02:21:22 Tell that to "your greatest ally"
and sometimes the IA’s were unpaid!
Eric is saying some things about Marcus and joko... He needs to answer them...
Listen to the podcast before commenting
It’s literally a podcast directly, indirectly, commenting on the lies that have been presented with no evidence. From jealous, sad, and petty individuals.
U didn't listen to the podcast did you? He's saying that every one there, kept everyone in check. It wasn't just Navy, it was Marines and Army there, including local police and civilian population. If someone's wife and kids got shot by Chris Kyle,a a supposed man on the loose according to that moron Eric, than EVERYONE would know and Ramadi was the most documented battle in the whole Iraq war. They had checks and balances, it wasn't some killing spree free for all.
I found it more than a bit ironic that Jocko's recent videos discuss lies, war crimes and leadership without directly addressing the damning claims made against him by his fellow seal on these very same issues.
You should relisten to the podcast he literally addresses every single allegation.
Maybe use your brain and ears next time bro… what do you think he is talking about. Also why address that guy directly anyway? I wouldn’t give him the satisfaction. His claims were ridiculous.
@@Jewjitsu_ridiculous even though he's not the only ones who have said it? Your slurping is pretty sad
@@andrewminnich5106 what does that even mean? Other people said it so therefore it’s true? Use your big boy words!
@@Jewjitsu_ it's also spelled "you're " good call though pal
Explain the contracts
Jocko just answered Eric Demming Spectacularily,...let's see if Eric can respond
I gotta say everything jocko said here sounded honest and sincere. I wonder why that other seal said all that crap about him if it wasn’t true. I wonder if someone mislead him or what. Crazy stuff
You think its a coincidence that its been nearly 20 years, and the moment Jocko is mentioned in a political role context this guy surfaces? I don't think its a coincidence. I think someone put him up to it. Probably got a nice check too.
He didn’t single out jocko, he exposed marcus as well. There is a drone feed showing marcus Latrell running the entire time. He was found with full mags. He deserted his brothers on that mountain. Axelson allegedly had survived days after the attack. The “Lone survivor” story was fake.
@@ianmedford4855that’s BS and wishful thinking on your part. The navy seal who has come out publicly against his own brotherhood is doing so in good faith. He didn’t single out jocko which is important to note, marines who were on the ground in Ramadi and other seals affirm and back these claims so it’s not just some random seal coming out saying this trying to single out Jocko. He called out the leadership who covered up roberts ridge, operation red wings cover up, Chris Kyle, and Jocko.
@@alfarouqaminufor3892 But why now? Its been 18 years. Do i think the Battle of Ramadi was won with entirely clean hands? No. Do i think this guy is exaggerating events that may have happened in the course of a brutal urban infantry campaign? Probably. Do i think he's being paid and amplified by left wing political interests to salt the earth ahead of Jocko's potential entry into the political arena? Absolutely. There's virtually no question in my mind. And, i also think he's strangely offended that tier one units would be deployed as shock troops, patrol to contact, and be expected to undertake the same missions and risks that "lowly" line infantry do every day. I definitely get the vibe that he thinks SEALS are too good for that, and its kind of gross in my opinion. *Not that i am under the delusion that my opinion is important or anything, but shit, its a KZhead comments section.
@@ianmedford4855 I think a lot of what he said was 100% true. Like the stuff with Marcus. Marines I served with was on that mission to save Marcus and EVERYONE knew he has all his full magazines with him. And look at Chris Kyle… That tool put in his book he was shooting people off the top of the superdome during Katrina. I lean more toward this guy really thought he was bringing truth to light that needed to come out and maybe there was just some misunderstandings about jocko.
I listened to both "accusation" podcasts....terrible! it was like listening to a "Navy Karen" complaining with no actual facts. This podcast is to the point....who would, with any reasonable understanding, believe the accusations?
While your comment was hard to read I agree 100%
@@Jewjitsu_ lol I just looked at my syntax.....terrible
@@Jewjitsu_ corrected, thanks for the catch
Did you serve on TU Bruiser? Did you serve? What? Hot dogs n Hamburgers?
@@sgtrock2821 no sir...but I have listened to many arguments ones with facts count one with vague accusations don't...
Jocko, is very, very intelligent and reserved,... bring Eric on,.. my money goes to Jocko,.... Eric needs to prove his back stabbing
gud evening
Is this about W Bush and Cheney?
Google eric demming navy seal green beret chronicles. Dudes a navy seal and says Chris kyle is a wife beating war criminal who target noncombatants on purpose to up their numbers and jocko knew about it and encouraged it. Essentially called jocko a fraud and chris kyle the worst human to ever exist
I’d love to see The Behavior Panel weigh in on this
1:21:07 - For those who want receipts…