Lawyer Recaps: Camille’s Cross of Amber Heard - There were fireworks!
What a day! Attorney Camille's cross of Amber Heard AND recross of Amber Heard were moments no one will forget about this trial. Fireworks were going off and Camille did her best to stop almost all of Heard's attorneys, and Elaine's, questions. Join Peter Tragos as he recaps today's events.
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As a nurse I have seen several victims of SA a few of which involved bottles like AH claims happened to her. The women I took care of NEEDED surgery. The women I took care of had genitals that were horribly bloody injured and swollen after the brutal bottle attack. I do not believe AH, and my prayers are with all victims/survivors of DV and SA.
That has to be a hard job As sad as it is, Bless you for your care.
Well said. I am a nurse Too. Amber just sounds like a liar
Yes agree with you 💯.
@@Bella-ht5jb9he3z nurse here too. My 1st thought was you didnt go to hosp or even seek medical care! Really! No way she would be walking either after hearing the way she described cutting her feet too. No way could he have done that & then she fly back to the states. What a line of bull💩 that was!
My wife and I worked in ERs in California and have seen our share of DV/IPV usually perpetrated by the male but that may because males don’t show up in the ER like a female would due to more serious injuries. Dr Curry was so excellent in describing the Borderline. Personality disorder and Histrionic Personality Disorder and how they affect the person’s relationship with their partners. Amber was a classic example of the worst of both disorders. She was devious and controlling abusing her partners but deflecting or minimizing blame on herself. Rich single males in California beware of this woman 👩. She is poison as Johnny Depp can attest to. But Johnny has got his life back and has rid himself of the stigma of wife beater. Imagine being labeled that when you are the victim and not the abuser. 🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
Elaine mocking Johnny Depp was absolutely shocking!
So berating and unprofessional, Elaine seemed really desperate and frustrated
Lol. I mean, I thought it was funny and just shows the unprofessionalism of their entire team.
It was as disgusting as her media appearance after the trial.
My favorite comment from Ambers lawyer “ I’m trying, I’m really trying here” in an exacerbated way
Unfortunately her client thinks she's the smartest in the room and is unable to follow the directions of her legal team. I'm sure they practiced with AH and told her how to answer. AH literally gave her lawyers no option but to walk away. The more AH spoke on that stand the more she hurt her own case.
I am a survivor of extreme DV and I can tell you she has NO fear of Johnny Depp!!
I LOVED her little "oopsie" moment when she slipped up about TMZ being notified. She didn't even try to pull it off smoothly. She dramatically put her hands to her mouth like a little kid who got caught lying.
She must have worked really hard to ensure that didn't happen again. There were explanations which didn't tie in with the evidence but alas no 'oopsie' moments that I think were concrete.
At first she said oops with hands but then she noticed it was not good and made as if she was wiping her face 😂
she flubbed her lines
She sold the video to TMZ and pics to tabloids and magazines. I'm sure she used one of her former friends to get it done. It's the only way they could have gotten them. I also thought the paparazzi showing up just in time for the wedding was suspect.
@@JessicaLSuddreth common practice for celebs to call the paparazzi ahead of time of where they will be and then act outraged when they showed up. Both sides knew the game.
The jury is experiencing Amber’s gaslighting firsthand, which I think is powerful. They can put themselves in JD’s position at least from that angle. And I think Camille belaboring the donation point was effective as it shows that AH will die on the hill of her lies.
Spot on.
Yes 💯
Yes! Except I wish she had of asked AH exactly how much money she has donated towards that pledge besides the 200k Johnny sent directly which is zero.
@@alwayslernin4400 well, we have confirmation from 2 testimonies (ACLU lawyer & JD’s finance guy) that AH donated $350k of the $7m to the ACLU; JD paid $100k each to ACLU & CHLA towards AH’s pledge; Elon paid $350k + $500k each to ACLU & CHLA towards AH’s pledge. So, it looks like she only ever paid $700k in total ($350k to each charity) out of the $7m she claimed to have paid in full. Also, AH admitted and the financial records proved that JD paid AH the $7m in full in Feb 2018, 13 months before JD sued her in March 2019. Aside from proving she lied under oath in the UK trial, in the US trial, and repeatedly to the public, saying she donated the full $7m, I think Camille reiterating the point about 13 months was also effective b/c AH has been claiming that she couldn’t donate the full $7m b/c JD sued her before she received the full amount - which is clearly a lie.
My GOD, though - That woman will say ANYTHING to be believed!! Such desperate lies... She's revolting!
What I loved about Camille's cross was not only was she able to keep Amber in check with her rambling answers, but she totally controlled the re-direct. It was awesome to watch how surgical and focused she was.
#BADBIHVIBES
Something primal curled up in fear and disgust when i heard Amber laughing at and provoking JD. As a woman who has never hit another person, i was overcome with a terrible desire to punch the shit out of her. If that was my reaction, No way a real life abuser would take that kind of mockery. And I can't get over how exhausted i felt after listening to her wail at how Johnny was killing her and not to leave her. Curled the hairs on the back of my neck because it was so unhinged. And that this nonsense went on for an hour?!!!?? Those few minutes wipe me out emotionally
Yes, it was like she was a demon 👺
Theres a serial killer in there
Absolutely. Ms. Heard is living with serious mental health issues. Mr. Depp doesn't deserve this defamation and I hope and pray that he will overcome this experience. It would cause a breakdown for many people - I've personally experienced gaslighting by a partner. It is devastating to one's self-esteem and confidence, and so insidious that at first it isn't recognizable.
She's a she devil. I was worried about him in the audio when he fell asleep. I was thinking wake up..She's still there. Next thing I hear is her loud ass clomping footsteps and naturally starts talked sweetly to him. And he was half asleep talking about James Dean but he meant James Brown. I pray every night God will expose all her lies. 🙏
Me too. It was awful and I wasn't even there.
As for the "SA" and Camille's attitude during cross, I think because as a woman we all know if that happened to any of us we'd be in the closest ER immediately. Especially if he used a broken bottle as she said. Its not even a little believable.
I think we need to get away from saying ‘we all know’ or ‘everyone’ would in situations of abuse. I was violently raped and I did NOT go to the hospital. I was way too embarrassed because it was anal. However months later and to this day I have severe issues with my rectum.
@@racheljay9963 I am so sorry ❤️
@@racheljay9963 I would imagine a broken bottle inserted inside would cause someone to bleed profusely that medical attention would be required especially given the other very “serious” injuries she claimed to have. Heard wasn’t embarrassed to claim she was a DV victim either…she did it publicly...which is what this case is about. Additionally would you buy your rapist a huge knife 2 weeks later? Nope. No victim would.
@@racheljay9963 she's far from embarrassed
There was a photo of the bar area with a square makers mark bottle visible. There were some questions by Camille, very subtle. It was not lost on me the size of the square makers mark bottle and that it would be impossible to fit that inside a body.
The “wrist breaking” statement has stuck with me the whole trial because she claimed there were witnesses. I audibly gasped when Amber’s best friend said that it didn’t happen. Who lies about events that are easily proven false by your own witnesses?
Narcissistic disordered persons
She expects people to lie for her
What shocked me even more is they said this…in the video deposition. She and her legal team have already been able to see it. And, then, she gets on the stand and points to witness testimony SHE ALREADY SAW to back her up when the testimony says the opposite. Big-HUGE-mistake.
Sometimes for people with a BPD Dx, pathological lying/ delusions can happen, maybe? However, there is often remorse/ regret for hurting people and a desire to be treated. I wish Dr. Curry would come back, and wonder what she thinks now. Those tapes seem to indicate predatory planning, and no real remorse. Did you see a chilling smile during JD's pain? If she asked about JD's will and flew into a narcissistic rage over not being included in it, that is scary.
Ooh I must have missed the wrist breaking incident? Can you explain it to me? Who said or denied what? TIA
As a pro makeup artist of 16+ years and someone who has worked with MMA fighters as well as trained in MMA for 22 years give or take, I have to tell you she is wrong! You can not hide the swelling of a broken nose with ice. You may reduce swelling but with such a serious injury it will still have swelling and also show signs of bone damage no matter how much makeup you put on it. Also for ah who claims to have worked in makeup you should know purple doesn’t cover purple! As we look at the color wheel to correct purple you need it’s opposite or contrasting color which is Yellow! But as a makeup artist she knows that right 😏
and she said she put the colour corrector at the end and we no matter if have lot or little knowledge of makeup will now that, maybe on some male jury will pass but on women will be weird to say the least I am not a makeup artist but I was cosmetologist for years and I was mind blow when she said that sorry my English
She claims a lot of things,which are bullshit .
Totally agree. I thought of swelling as well! And not to mention the toll of emotional damage. Amber described an absolutely horrendous abuse event, and IF IT WERE TRUE, she NEVER could do a tv interview with James Gordon.. NO WAY! She would have been in bed under the covers with hot tea and ibuprofen in her system to deal with extreme pain, anxiety and severe swelling! Instead, She was flawless skinned Amber, giggling, laughing and had quick repartee. She was loving the attention and and no clue of swelling under the eyes, NONE. Eyelids would have been very swollen as well!! There were no signs of insecurity or shock, which this so called DV event, would have left ANYONE in shock and very self conscious if one was hiding injuries to such a pretty face. This girl was on top of the freaking world, not even a clue she was abused. As a woman who HAS been through serious DV, I can tell you, NO WAY is she telling any truth in this horrific tale. Poor Johnny, I just wanted to hug the guy and say, Gosh, I am so so sorry you had to experience such terrible abuse. She, Amber Herd…is FINISHED in Hollywood, mark my words! Johnny is golden! He will be inundated with offers for parts.. no doubt!
Pleased to see your post - I don’t know why they didn’t get expert advice like this. Witnesses also said her makeup didn’t look caked on but I didn’t know what tricks were possible with natural makeup and technique
and let’s not forget that DPs rings are like a set of illegal brass knuckles in a street fight…just one punch and your face would be ripped wide open I wonder why the prosecution didn’t make a prop showing the damage a hand full of chunk rings would do Kind of like the OJ trial: “if the glove does not fit, then acquit”… in the DP/HD trial it would be: “if the rings were worn, her face was not torn”
She concentrated on the table photo to say that AH has a habit of staging photos. If she’ll stage one what’s to say they all aren’t staged. That’s the way I took it.
Exactly. And look at all the pictures she took of everything yet nothing at all in order to get some evidence of some sort. Nobody can tell me that if she had gotten the most minor boo boo from him she wouldn't have taken pictures, hundreds of pictures I'm sure, of it. I sure haven't seen her beaten up, just crappy makeup job and those high cheekbones that make her look like she always sports a black eye.
That was one of my favourite moments. I hadn't thought about that and hadn't seen anyone else either. We all know it looked perfectly staged, but I didn't specifically notice the lack of Ash or lack of residue... I thought it was a fantastic point very well made x
I’m not sure if anyone else has said this, but something I noticed during cross was she seemed to forget so many details (“I don’t recall, “I don’t know what day that was,” “I don’t remember that part,” etc.) But she knew EVERY detail down to dates and who was there and who did what and why they did it when Elaine was asking her questions. Just a thought.
Right?!? “…and I looked at him one more time…” She remembers the most insignificant details. “I turned, I looked for the 2nd time, I noticed the carpet was dirty, I stared at the stupid light”. C’mon girl, we are not as dumb as you think, nor is the jury. I hope.
Correct, selective memory smh!
Yes she remembers the light shining through, the weather that day, colour of her knickers...she is really one piece of work
I noticed that too!
One of my favourite points: How Camille showed the “breakfast table” and dissects the scene. Camille then says something along the lines of it being a staged scene.
I feel like that was an under appreciated moment! Amber didn’t even correct her on saying it was staged- she just talked about how she needed support from her best friend… it was good, though. If I were a juror, that would definitely fit into the overall character picture that’s been painted of Amber.
It seems like Amber and her friend set up all this when he got tired of the freeloaders. She remind me of Neve Campbells character in Wild Thing that accuse her teacher for rape and then it got really weird.
Someone was able to enlarge the driver license and it had her signature on the back.
Amber Heard said that the op-ed was "not just about Johnny". She did do that article with the intent of implicating Johnny - She admitted it right there.
They had 3 versions of article with 1 having Johnny mentioned as the abuser!
@LyndaHalcrow The Fact She Admitted That The Word "Ship" In The Op-Ed Was 'Not About JD' That Is Was A Broader Aspect Of The The Term - That Right There Is Defamatory As AH Did Not Make A Statement Rectifying & Clarifying That Aspect To The Press & Public; AH Just Continued To Let Everyone (Worldwide) Come To Their Own Conclusion That It Was All About JD (Which We All Know Was AH's Intent).
They also established malicious intent as well.
@@tellmesomething2412 and I thought it was brilliant that it was revealed Heards settlement of 7 million from Johnny was completed 13 months before he sued her. Her argument as to why she hasn't fulfilled her promise to donate 7 million (again blaming Johnny) imploded
I caught that too…let’s hope the Jury does. Someone who has been going to the trial everyday has said the Jury is literally expressionless, as if they are complete zombies…this could be concerning
I thought Camille made clear that Amber had the full seven million for 13 months before Johnny filed the defamation suit.
I agree Camille let Anger get a snappy comeback when asking about Johnny not looking at her BUT I’m sure the jury has noticed just as I have Anger trying like hell to make eye contact with him. Even at this point in time, she doesn’t not want to be ignored by him and wouldn’t be seeking his eyes if she was so afraid or traumatized. It has come off as obsessive.
I pointed out elsewhere that her fabrication of why he wouldn't look at her was contradicted by her own testimony that after saying this that he looked at her again within a few days. You are correct, Amber's fixation on this came off as bizarre and obsessive.
Idk i found the eye talk on both sides to be meaningless fluff.
@@georgealvarez1195 So did I, but it almost felt by design. Camille did have explosive points to make, ones that Elaine absolutely dropped on redirect, and so Amber's team was forced to redirect the most asinine things, making them dwell on it further, which is even more annoying. Your inability to redirect anything else really stands out.
I thought it was essential to address from the outset too. the purpose was to throw amber off base from the start, which it did. and her comeback wasn't snappy because it came out on redirect, which shows itself to be a product of sour grapes and not genuine, another ding against her before the jury. also goes to showing motive for malice
Totally agree with that! She must have taken so much from him for him. In the love journal she stated that "I love you so much, yet I still want to tear you apart and devour you" That is psycho talk in my opinion. I dn't think JD is any kind of angel but from what I have listened to and seen, he is angry at himself for being seduced by her beauty when under the veneer there was this other person who was everything that he had tried to run from in his life. He lost a hell of alot, I dnt know if anyone caught the part in the audio tapes where she was cackling like a crazed banshee? but she said 6 years and at that time it was only 4 publicly, she corrected herself and laughed. It's seems like he JD looked really uncomfortable at that point in the recording. I wonder if the relationship started before the end of the filming of " Rum Diary "pure speculation on my part but I just get the feeling. He said he lost everything, He said " I lost nothing short of everything " and during the time 2015- 2016 his Ex wife "Vanessa" met had met another man and it was serious and I believe was planning to get married. There was alot going on in JD's head of course. The realisation you've really messed up and it can not be reversed. I hope that both of them are able to get over this. Just goes to show trauma damages and it never leaves a person, no amount of money can erase pain. that's only a spiritual journey that can help that. This shouldn't be entertainment, it should be an education! a lesson that money and fame dn't bring happiness if your broken on the inside.
AH: "I haven't done drugs since I was 18 except for sometimes" Did anyone else notice how she was very adamant at the begging of cross that she hasn't done drugs since she was 18? She even said she was very grateful she didn't do drugs anymore. Then she talked about having drugs at the wedding and drugs at Coachella?
I noticed how she characterised her drug use according to whether or not she was in Johnny’s presence. Apparently it’s not problematic drug use if she’s with friends? She looked ridiculous.
And her bday
Literally on the wedding agenda! Who the heck puts drug use on their wedding agenda!?
And at Burning Man
And at Hicksville. She sounds drunk in many of the recordings too. Alcohol might mot be illicit but its effects can be way worse and more unpredictable than many other substances. Also mushrooms are a hallucinogen!! Hello! I wish Camille had discredited Ambers accounts for that reason.
I have followed this case for a long time and that TMZ "oops" was new video for me. My jaw dropped. It dropped again when the arrest came up. I would NEED a mask too if I was on that jury.... to cover my expressions lol.
I don’t think anyone had seen that video. “incredibly average” was the main channel who (I believe) posted all of the leaked depos and audio, etc. and he even said a never before seen video, AFTER it happened in court!
I’ve read many victims of DV avoid looking at their abusers. It makes perfect sense
Because they bring shame
There's a recording of Johnny telling her that he's done, and that she will never see his eyes from then on.
They don't look at them because they have No respect for them!!!
I’m a DV survivor, I’d be running from my abuser if he was enraged and coming towards me. I used to flinch if he just raised his hand. Amber is not believable.
Yes... the conditioning to put hands over your head and duck is something that took me over a decade to stop reflexively Doing anytime anyone approached me suddenly or from behind. ...comes with gasping and flinching from loud noises as well ***from 16 years with abusive mother
As a survivor. I agree. No way you don’t let them leave !!!! Please go anywhere else and leave me alone. She’s liar and it’s really angering me because it makes what I endured less believable when other women lie about it
My ex slapped me once and broke my nose. No way could I have touched it let alone rubbed makeup on it. It caused two huge black eyes. A year later I got hit by a kid’s plastic baseball on the playground in the same eye and same happened. No way would makeup cover it! After my ex hit me, he came near me arguing and I ran away freaking out afraid he would hit me! I was terrified! I don’t remember the rug or the floor. Amber shows no fear.
I saw him flinch in a public appearance they were at when she suddenly raised her hand. His eyes got big and he jerked his head back and his eyes were on her hand. He visibly stiffened up like he was waiting for a smack! It all makes sense now!
@@ThatGirl-tg7wd At 74 I still do it if somebody makes a sudden move! I went through the exact childhood Johnny's sister described and a long-term abusive relationship. Even though I was happily married for 43 yrs before my husband passed, I'm still reactive to things like that! It scars you for life!
I was so glad when she confronted AH with her "SA" allegations directly. It is infuriating that she would make obviously, astoundingly false allegations for malicious reasons.
The rings was definitely important, she basically testified to someone repeatedly punching her in the face with knuckle dusters on. As someone who has done combat sports and to know how much damage someone could do with gloves on, I can tell you her just saying that and seeing the photos of her the next day with no marks is ridiculous, she would of been black and blue, closed eyes and probably had a broken eye socket (the cheekbone is one of the weakest and breaks easy). She could of won this easy if didn't over exaggerate with her stories and toned them right down. What she describes just makes everything just incredible because it just cannot be
& the rings are not even smooth - the ones he wears would tear the skin as easy as she lies.
The punches she describes would leave plenty of lasting damage without rings tbh.
I lost the vision in my left eye by being attacked on the bus by a girl with delicate rings on.... My eye was bloody and bruised. You can't just punch someone in the face with any rings and not leave a mark of the rings impression
The assistant put gummy bears on the desk when she first came into the courtroom. Camille was about to burst because Elaine kept doing it over and over again after Camille objected and the judge would not address it. I feel like the judge lets Elaine get away with too much.
She did a perfect job on the SA part. One of her strongest crosses. Bravo Camille!
What stood out for me the most was AH sickening looks at the jury. Every single time she answered. That must come across as very intimidating for the jury. 😱
I agree. When she was under direct, her looks were friendly … like you’d have toward someone you’re trying to connect with. I felt like under cross it’s more like a grimace. Ian Rumpel of @Rumpel in the Bailey is an attorney who has been in the courthouse with @Law and Lumber. Ian said Amber stared at them under sidebar and it was really creepy.
They all reached the point where they don't look at her at all ... her behavior reads like harassment and intimidation especially when shes angry and reying to deny abd reframe facts. ... this was described by an attendee attorney in the gallery keeping track of the jury reactions and demeanor. .
She kept looking at the hurt when she answered b/c she wanted to seem sincere, but it comes across the exact opposite
Looks desperate to me, like are they believing me ?
I am IN NO WAY standing up for her, but from a guy who was there in the court with her, he said that the entire courtroom is on Johnny's side, and everyone there is shooting daggers at her with their eyes - so she really has no choice BUT to look at the jury, because everyone in there hates her. I think she would probably do it anyway, but it does explain a bit why she's looking mainly at them, because she can't find a friendly face in there anywhere.
In the deposition Amber said that she was trying to get a hold of Johnny to notify him about filing of the divorce because she did not want him to find out through the media so how is it that Johnny could tell TMZ if Johnny didn't even know about the divorce filing yet???
Touche
Because she already told the media and for some reason she didn't want him to find out from TMZ and not from her. That's why she covers her face after saying "....TMZ was alerted.."
My thought exactly when she said that. She was off her game lol
No one story AH says is the same whenever she tells it. Different all the time.
JD told her he was going to file. She beat him to it.
I have no law background , but to watch Camille do what she did was so fascinating that it actually makes me want to become a lawyer . I can imagine how it might inspire others to do so . Great stuff and thanks for streaming it guys :)
I noticed that Camille says "Thank you" a lot--to the judge, to the person who helps keep her papers organized, to the person who brings up videos she needs, etc. I think that is one reason why she can *act* aggressively (when needed) without others perceiving her as *being* an aggressive person.
I think those courtesies, in parallel with her calm and controlled but direct demeanour, create an analogy of sorts for Johnny and his ability to continue to remain calm and controlled when dealing with AH and her insane and incessant provocation and apparent need to engage in dramatic, emotional and physical fighting.
It's okay to be an agressive person. You say that like its a flaw. It's just a trait.
I think Camille did exactly what she had to with the SA claims. I think its important, unfortunately she had to be called out about it. I was blown away by the fact she could keep going and lying and then Camille was so good at trying to trip her up. Damn smart. I was hoping they would bring some of this stuff in.
Camille should have drilled home FACT that in L.A. her atty could have filed the TRO without her there! The are automatically granted - also, in L.A. there are multiple PRIVATE entrances set up on purpose just for celebrities if she went herself! But nooooo - She notified the press and exited thru FRONT DOOR on purpose! She absolutely wanted this to hit the press. And she did it that day (a week after last seeing JD in person so those “fake bruises” are definitely fake) knowing he was out of the country and on press tour - unable to respond. Total CHEAP SHOT 👿
Yes I was waiting for this to be said and was surprised it wasn't!
agreed. Amber is using the TRO like it's proof of something
Completely 💯💯💯
They should have kept emphasizing TEMPORARY restraining order.
I was SA-ed by someone in my social circle and I never wanted to look at him, let alone make eye contact. I avoided being in the same room with him.
I thought the donation part was perfect being longer, because it really showed how amber does 'crazy making/gaslighting' when confronted with things shes done. If anyone on the jury has experienced abuse I bet they will see it with her from this interaction alone.
I agree. The crazy making on display = random changing of word definitions, obsession with image rather than actual substance, and taking credit when it suits her and throwing everyone under the bus when things don't go her way.
@@maam-yj8ph exactly.
Camille is the real MVP of this trial!
Camille did more than continued down a path of asking Amber the same question until she gave Camille the answer; but really for me I LOVED the many details of how Amber had the FULL tally of $7 million for 13 months before Johnny Depp sued her and yet in all that time, she never made one single payment to either of the 2 charities.! I LOVED the detailed timeline showing what KIND of liar Amber is . . . truly not capable of a smidgen of shame! Shamless!
The way Amber would stare at the other lawyer and tilt her head during her deposition reminded me of the demon in The Exorcist. Like she was possessed. It was unsettling.
Honestly I think she actually is demon possessed with the amount of lying she does with no shame in it.
I think that the “Johnny hasn’t looked at you once” was more for social media. Remember, both sides aren’t just doing thingd for the jury. But, also for social media. So, I think it was perfect for what their team had been saying about Johnny. Also, I don’t think Camille should have acted any other way because it shows that his team does NOT view her as a victim. Treating her with baby gloves would imply they were dealing with a victim not an abuser.
The Depp team did good to have a female lawyer do the "attack" on Amber. A male lawyer would be seen as abusing her 🙄 and ridiculing her status as an abused woman. A woman pointing out the issues made it seem like what it was, calling Amber out for making things difficult for real abuse victims. Also, the woman chose was the BEST choice because she pissed Amber off, which made Ambers anger management issues rise up. She should always be the one to interview Amber so Amber gets pissed just seeing her
Tossing a thought in regarding bruise makeup..as a former theater person ..no one has brought up the possibility of Ambers lip injury..all theater people know liquid latex can be placed anywhere on anyones skin to appear as a sore or open wound. The makeup person said it was not bleeding and merely covers it with lipstick. A true fresh wound would most likely need something to cover the wound to prevent pain from putting lipstick directly into a wound. Just can’t happen.
One sock from anyone wearing all those rings and you would go to the emergency room…there are weapons called “brass knuckles” designed to do the same.
Called "Poings américains" (american fists), in French...
@@davidhocde007 Merci bien!
@@Williamb612 je t'en prie, William. Bonne journée à toi...
No one has noticed that EVERY shiner on AH's face was on the RIGHT side. Pretty convenient for a right-handed person, who would then have an easier job with the "fake-up" to create a bruise, not cover one. Also the bruise was on her LEFT arm, easier for her to doctor also!
I do think the bruise on her arm was real but she def didn't get it the way she did. it's almost round, but not, with a straight line through it. it looks like she fell against an outdoor railing or fence made of metal.
I also think the bruise on her arm was real, it was the only one that looked real. I just font think it had anything to do with Johnny or d.v.
According to a neighbor in the building, Amber used the pool alot. So much for her skin condition. And the door to the pool is very heavy. Especially for slim women.. The neighbor publically stated that she, herself, got a bruise exactly like that from the door knob on the door slamming against her as she crossed the door threshold. She said it had happened to her more than once. So there's that....
Oohhhhhh! I love that "fake up"!!!! May I use that?
@@dianeaustin2414 of course!
When she walked out of the court room I’m almost sure the judge noticed it. Maybe I imagined it but I think after the instruction to sit by her lawyer there is a pause and I’m sure the judge makes a sigh or a noise. I personally thought it looked rude. She comes across as entitled and disrespectful. Even in cross examine she spoke in cocky way to Camille at the beginning and you could sense Camille’s frustration at one point because she reminded Heard that she was under oath and mentioned about perjury. Then slightly later she spoke really harshly at Heard when Heard was continuing to blather on and Heards stares at her realising she is no longer taking her bullshit and looks intimidated by Camille. Heard looks cocky and disrespectful through most of that cross to me and I think that’s possibly a good thing really as it’s showing a side of her character that you wouldn’t see if you were more harsh with her. Starting off soft gave her the impression Camille was a walk over. She got cocky and non cooperative and the jury got to see how disrespectful she can be. Personally I think Heard is a narcissist and they will be like that when they think your a soft touch. Look at the way she has treated Depp when he spoke calmly and was loving in most audios. Just as he thinks he’s calming her down she starts to ramp up again. I’d imagine him being soft had her feeling she was in control.
I not only think Heard is a Narcissist/Sociopath, I think her family and her trashy, freeloading friends are too!
If Amber Heard had a broken nose, she would have had 2 black eyes and difficulty breathing. She would have had difficulty covering a broken nose with makeup. That is from a medical opinion. Amber is a not telling the truth. I hope she looses her case. She wants to ruin Johnny Depp. So sad. The woman needs help. I hope Johnny Depp gets free of her and finds happiness.
A broken nose is horribly painful. No way a person would just walk around like it was no big deal. She would need a Rx for the pain. Tylenol wouldnt do a thing
@@TuTuFox definitely don't need prescription pain killers for a nose. But I do believe she's lying through her teeth
Not only that but she's a model and movie star! Not going to a doctor to make sure it sets straight and doesn't end up crooked, that's like her whole career at stake!
Anyone else get the feeling her original plan was to drive him to suicide or build a case for suicide that she could claim if something happened to him? That knife and the writing on it are so suspicious to me. I think she doesn't have much of a case for domestic violence because she had to switch to plan B when Johnny was going to end the marriage before she could end him. She wanted the life Johnny provided but with complete freedom and no Johnny.
Intense…but scarily possible!
I think it’s possible..
Johnny is lucky he escaped with his life
When i heard about the knife, i felt cold chills over my entire body. The 1st thought was, oh my she was really planning to kill him! Shes crazier than a lunatic so you know it crossed her mind.
Thank God he had the good advise not to put her in his will. I can only imagine the outcome if he had.
I thought it was good Camille took her time with the donation piece, because she was able to establish a timeline and show that AH had received all 7 million by Feb of 2018 and she wasn’t sued by JD until over a year later. So not only could she have paid it in full at any point over that period, she also could’ve paid it in installments as she received it even before it had been fully paid to her. Camille also did a good job bringing Elon’s donation into the picture because it made perfect sense to me that AH would find another super rich bf to pay some or all of the donations in her name and keep the money. If I didn’t know any of that, I would’ve thought not paying because she was sued was a remotely plausible (albeit extremely convenient) excuse.
It was also an excellent demonstration of Heard's gaslighting technique and inability to admit any fault whatsoever.
@@jackrabbit6515 exactly. That was nuts.
Writing from Australia. This legal case is extremely important regarding domestic abuse/violence of anyone, including children. For so long domestic violence tended to focus only on female victims, which I should add, are in the majority but we must never forget that there are other victims of domestic violence, children and men and pets.
Yes, including verbal and psychological abuse, which was clearly a strong factor in this case.
Aussie chick here, absolutely. Violence against women is horrific and they are more likely to be severely injured or killed than men are--but that doesnt make dv against men by women a joke. As we can see here, demonstrated in detail, female violence against men does happen too. Intimate partner violence in any context can also include psychological and emorional abuse. None of it is acceptable. None of it is okay.
Exactly! ❤
*... Agree 100%!
The whole mirror fiasco is so frustrating… Amber is denying that she wrote in the red lipstick (because she was told that’s not what a victim of a beating would do) so that means that Johnny wrote the first message .. and then .. he sarcastically replied to himself in a different writing style & Color and signed it off with “babe” & a smiley face????? This makes zero sense. Yes, Amber did try to sue him in California for defamation for statements he made in a GQ article after the NDA but it didn’t survive and was tossed out - essentially he said he didn’t do the things she said & he was defending himself against her public accusations (she had done a video interview for girl gaze also taking after the NDA). I really hope JD’s lawyers address the $6M lie on her legal fees because they have all her tax records and they do not show deductions for legal fees or that she paid any legal fees at all - in fact they have it in the court docs that someone else is paying her fees - they suspect Elon or the ACLU.
How many guys sign with a smiley face? Ha! I don't think Johnny is a smiley face kinda guy.
Did you notice how Amber kept saying 'love' and not 'loved'? Talking in present not past context! Also Johnny mouthed very clearly, when Elaine redirected about Johnny not looking at her, 'I don't want!' Amber was looking at him when he mouthed that. Best cross by Camille, slowly slowly drip feeding the jury, giving them enough time to absorb the information. Elaine has embarrassed herself on redirect, completely unprepared. Mocking the plaintiff is damaging for her and Amber.
FYI: 150M people watched the verdict in the OJ murder trial. I was one of them. Everyone went out to lunch at establishments with TVs (at least in the central time zone). Will be interesting how many will watch this verdict online.
there no way this trial is getting 150,000,000 people watching the verdict but this is definitely the biggest trial since Casey Anthony in my opinion
@@jayofthenorth3364 you can't say... in Africa u don't have idea how many folks are watching this news
@@eliazaabord9455 really?
@@eliazaabord9455 all other the world , I think my more the OJ
@@jayofthenorth3364 im italian and people that don't even watch their movies or speak english are interested in this trial lol
I never wanted to see my abuser again either. When I finally managed to summoned the strength to leave, I'd had MORE than enough. But if he had made good on his threat to destroy my life if I left, like AH did to JD, I would have fought back, too. Vindictiveness can become a blinding, all consuming obsession with the scorned narcissist, and that can be really dangerous both to them and the romantic partner who abandoned them. Or the employer that fired them for that matter. Those people won't stop. They have to be stopped. That's what JD is trying to do here. I hope he succeeds!
Abusers don't feel shame for abusing their victims. An abuser could easily look in their victim's eyes. It's the victim who will not allow their abuser to look in their eyes.
Yesssssssssss. It's a power move for them, they know that's the easiest way to intimidate their victims. X
Abusers don’t believe they abuse.
Also, I disagree that opening with the ‘never see my eyes’ stuff wasn’t strong… It was the perfect place to start. The Jury has been on Johnny’s left the entire trial… watching him. Watching Amber look at him… But watching Johnny actively avoid looking at her. Without the context of that audio where he promises her she’s never see his eyes’ the Jury was potentially if not likely already thinking what Amber closed with ‘he won’t look at me bc he can’t bc he’s ashamed’ 😂 It gave them a more than plausible alternative as to why… And her choice to open with that was genius exactly bc she knew Amber was going to close with ‘bc he’s ashamed’… yes it took a bit of the edge off, but Camille also knew she was just getting started. By Camille’s mic drop moment as she ‘no further’d’ the male members of the jury if not the women were thinking, I wouldn’t look at that witch either…
I absolutely agree 💯
He also gave her a brutal death stare when she spoke about the bottle rape. That was his way of letting her know she has crossed a lobe of no return. It is the only time he has looked at her. He actually could've said to her 'look in my eyes' when she was beating him to calm her down. Its a focal point to distract.
I agree. And she devil was still trying to get back with him.
OMG! If a person was SA that way with a broken glass bottle there’s no way you could just be walking around the next day like nothing happened. Example if you get cut it bleeds & you have to wrap it to keep from bleeding. There’s just no way!
Agreed, after any brutal physical altercation. You feel like you've been hit by a bus. Not to mention the emotional hangover. You cannot hide it at all.
You could bleed out, you could have pieces of glass inside, to say nothing of so- called cut feet....
I think AH said it was SA with the handle of the bottle. But, if the bottle was broken and the handle was used for SA, it could still cause damage if it was moving. Can someone confirm it was the handle of the bottle please?
@@RadiantStar8997 in the pics no bottles were broken. However, she said she thought it was the Maker's Mark bottle. Thin pour area, large square bottom the size of an infants head if it were square. Maybe a bit larger.
Look up.....1000 ways to die death by carrot
Amber doesn't seem to know the difference between pledge and donate.
Actually I just commented in one of other video of her cross examination that why is she looking at the jury for every answer rather than answering the lawyer, nobody watched at jury that much as much as she did. If I would be the jury it would be uncomfortable if someone just keeps looking at me and somehow I would think how to react.
Also it may be possible that jury is not facing towards amber because of that.. lol
Also in October after she recieved the 7 million she tried to sue JD for defamation. When that didn't work she wrote the oped in Dec. Somebody wanted money and publicity before aqua opening?
All about the money 💰🤑💸😎
Great comment! Two people in this relationship and both were in love with Amber.
I believe it was important for Camille V to explain just why Johnny isn't looking at AH. Not everyone is up on social media the way we YT'ers are - now the jury knows. She did an impressive job in my view.
One thing that she brought up was that she couldn't remember because of PTSD with regards to the SA event (supposedly). Unfortunately, when one has PTSD (I was diagnosed with C-PTSD and have learned to manage it and teach others today) they do NOT forget. It replays over and over in their mind; they have continued reoccurring nightmares of the event which creates triggering...and sometimes this is triggered by certain things and people...but the point here is that when one has PTSD they cannot forget. EMDR therapy and similar therapy's such as EFT are to help one process the traumatic events out of their conscious memory, if you will.
Exactly. I have cptsd too. I WISH I could forget the stuff thats happened to me.
You don’t always remember please don’t mislead people. It depends on your trauma and coping mechanisms. Sorry for what you’ve been through!
Exactly, it’s smells, small points, small words. You don’t forget that information, you start forgetting everything else. Like your house keys, to eat and what a noise is. A door slam sounds like a firework.
Thank you! That needed to be said but I couldn't put it in words. You did so perfectly.
@@fi-train8961 i am very aware and that is known as suppressed memory which is something other than PTSD so please know what you are talking about before you try correcting someone.
amber wasn't scared, stated' why would i be ? about sharing photos.
I think Amber is upset with her legal team because they're having a hard time supporting her claims and making sure her stories make sense. The way she just bolted out the door after being told to sit by your lawyer (and it was right after her lawyer gave up after Camille's rapid fire objections). Despite all of the obvious signs of lying, I still fear Amber will win this. Regardless, Johnny has won in the court of public opinion.
I think she wanted the jury to see her disdain with her lawyers so she can blame it on their incompetence when it’s really her.
A criminal defence attorney who was in court today said on court tv that the jury wasn't even looking at her, and that that is usually a really bad sign. But we'll see what happens. Hoping he wins.
Your comment makes no sense
@@mariastar8437 who's?
It would be a travesty of justice for such a person as Amber to win after what she has strategically and methodically put Johnny Depp through!
Camomile got AH to say “ It felt like he broke my nose” . So does that mean she had no broken nose now?
imagine give your home to somebody for rent free and they come to testify against you...such a nice recognition!!!!!!
LOVED Camille, but a few times I felt she took the listeners to a precipice -- anticipating the big reveal -- and then didn't deliver. Australia bottle for example: thought for SURE she'd ask where's the blood on the label from both AH and Johnny's bleeding finger, or where's the bloody footprints in the house from AH's cut up feet? I mean, just another minute or two of zingers would have REALLY sent the message as to just how ludicrous AH's tale of assault is. Leave NO ROOM for doubt. But Camille, unfortunately, left some room because a missing telephone and writing in the mirror wasn't a hard enough sell.
Is there any woman that has just been raped that would be able to do a photoshoot like that? To expose their body like that after been gone though something so violating ? And then the next day lay there so casual ?
Good point. And the answer is no, not me.
Camille killed it!🤗
Elaine is out of control !!! Camille was on fire 🔥
Her photos drove me nuts. How can anyone not see that it's the SAME photo?! In order for her story to be true, she took a photo with the vanity lighting and then turned it off to use natural lighting (which requires bodily movement) and just so happened to get back in the EXACT same pose (not a hair out of place and the same lighting on her forehead). She obviously took one photo and increased the saturation in one of them to make the bruises appear darker. I'm surprised they didn't have a photo expert on there to inspect the pics.
Honestly, that part was very damning for me personally. I'm a woman and I've also modeled. Those were *CLEARLY* the SAME photos. I think most women would pick up on that. The men, not so much. Even the beach photos had me shaking my head. She wasn't wearing makeup. Pure gaslighting.
@@venuss2000 Yes the beach photos looked barefaced. Concealer and foundation usually makes your skin all the same tone but she had natural blotches (like under her eyes, etc.). They were pretty pictures but it was the natural look that made them pretty. There was ZERO indication of swelling. It doesn't matter how much ice you use, if your nose is broken and your eyes are blackened, you're not going to cover that up soon after the incident. It also annoyed me that she admitted she just assumed her nose was broken.
Monica, I think they did call an expert witness, if they are the two photos I think you are referring to. Depp's witness appeared to be strangely constrained by what he could say. For instance, every time he started talking anything about colors, Heard's lawyer successfully objected. What we did learn from the meta data is that the two before and after photos had EXACTLY the same time stamp and EXACTLY the same file name. The conclusions seem clear to me.
Yes Lawgic….I wondered how other men felt about all of this….I know how women feel, but it was awesome to hear your description of how a man feels about a humiliating photo being sent around! That is likely how the jury feels….
I noticed she walked out, don’t think the jury in full didn’t notice!!
As an SA survivior I think she did great at questioning Amber about her supposed SA a real victim would have had a reaction to this but Amber didn't.
Camille asked if AH wore hair extensions, and when Rocky says she did wear them, AH is PISSED as she sets her water down. Also, AH lawyers completely ignore her at the end as everyone is saying goodbye (just not to her). Elaine especially, she walks to the front to speak with someone until Amber leaves, then immediately heads back to her table.
Hair on the carpet is from that I bet
Great line! "It´s "She said We said", instead of “He Said, She Said” it really sums up the trial evidence so far in the trial
RINGS are important because they are like brass knuckles and they would leave a mark and Amber needs to produce medical records
One of the funniest moment was when Elaine was looking up saying " I'm trying I'm trying " n Camille shock her head n looked up to see what was Elaine looking at.......🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😍
That picture of the “coke” was her DL , her purse an other belongings! Why don’t they bring that up?
AH told how JD was over beating her face with his ring laden fist yet photos show no injuries. As someone who has been in that position, AH is lying through her perfect teeth.
The not looking her in the eye thing. I would say it’s purpose lay outside the courtroom. It was clearly meant to address her PR statement criticizing him for not looking at her.
AH seems to have more memory losses when Camille is crossing, but remembers everything when Elaine is crossing, funny that.
Wow, now looking forward to closing statements!!
Actually I think the rings were important because if someone allegedly punches you repeatedly you ll have imprints more damage to your face due to these rings .My Greek mind's analysis haha ❤
Alright 👍 Law & Lumber too!!! Hey Rob 👋 you both are fantastic! IO Tillet-Wright was train wreck and the reason is bc he said I've been frienda with Amber longer than Johnny and his answers sounded right out of Amber Turds playback, he got angry and nasty with the atty at some point and he sounded vengeful towards Johnny. I discounted him.
Justice for Johnny
I am a 54 years old grandmother from Denmark 🇩🇰and Depp versus Amber has become my guilty pleasure. Pretty sure I will need a day off on verdic day😁😁
I've been wondering what I'm going to do when my favorite tv drama is over.
83,000 Peter! I totally believe you'll be at 100,000 by the end of this month! Congratulations it's well deserved
I suspect the nod to Carly Simon was really about Marilyn Manson. He and JD did a remake of Your So Vain...
AH is truly evil. Jezebel-level of evil.
Rob… kudos for doing your first live stream dealing with super chats for an hour and a half and Then bouncing over to chat here too. Live stream chatting is awesome but the speed doesn’t allow for detailed explanations in a chronological order most of the time. I love that we are now crowd sourcing law and order. The two of you, bounce off of each other well due to knowledge, perspective and being able to put things in laymen’s terms over social media. It not only provides us with a perspective on court related questions, it also shows us a decent law community to surpass the stereotypes we’ve grown accustomed to (generational bridge gapping). And I. AM. HERE. FOR. IT. Thanks guys!
C'mon man. Camille killed it.
Btw - most “partiers” who do coke, like I’m sure amber has even tho she pretends she doesn’t, have a Deviated Septum! That’s what the ENT said, that’s probably why it wasn’t allowed in…
Thank you!… exactly what I was thinking.
I thought it was disgusting Elaine mocking JD you will never see my eyes again with her funky voice....It is typical for those who have been abused not to look at the abuser for fear of intimidation.. Normal for the abuser to stare down their victims...
Camille was fantastic the risk worked as Amber is so unbelievable it worked. I speak from experience of DV and SA
Bingo! The same conclusion I came to, she has copious pictures that make Johnny look bad, but not a single picture of her severe injuries? Come on!! A broken nose and she goes on talk show the day after? Yeah right!
"Your So Vain" is a song Carly Simon wrote about Warren Beatty. It didn't mention his name but everyone knew it was about him. I thought that the reference was about the oped.How even though Johnny's name wasn't mentioned, everyone knew it was referring to him.
How she dismantled Elaine was masterful.
I can't imagine being a DV survivor. So kudos to those that did bc some ppl don't. With that being said, there is NO WAY IN HELL I would be tryn to see my abuser, pleading with him to see him or even looking for him. I would be trying to get as far away from him and no contract with him as I can!! And there would definitely be a paper trail and medical records. WHICH SHE DOES NOT HAVE 😒
Best parts of trial was lightning and thunder and she reaction. The most divine was when bright Jesus light came down on Camille. Great she came in wearing white today. Awesome
Great channel! Loved the convo. I’m an SA survivor and AHeard literally scares me with her manipulation tactics. Also-my bf is a male DV survivor and his ex was way worse than AHeard plus went on to abuse again. #teamcamille #teamjohnny #followback
I was married to a narcissist/ alcoholic and I NEVER took pictures of him when he was in a bad physical state. Passed out drunk or physically ill. The opposite, I often cried and kept wishing he would go to rehab. I rarely have a alcoholic drink and while being with him I stopped drinking any alcohol because I truly resented alcohol. When I saw these pictures during court session my jaw literally dropped. Then sending it to a friend? It’s humiliating. I was scared of him and I never raised my voice to him nor insulted. He never hit me but he would brake things around the house when he would get angry. That was scary. I would freeze and made sure I kept my distance. No way I was going to have the nerve to freaking start recording his raging episodes. I did take photographs of the aftermath but saved them on a calculator app. I wanted to have them just in case I ever experienced physical abuse. Thank god I didn’t! After my divorce I deleted them. The judge asked me if I wanted financial support from him after divorce an I said “ no, I don’t want to have any connection with him. I can work and take care of myself”.
I thought she probably started the way she did at JD's request and that was because he already saw that AH supporters were saying on the internet that he couldn't look at her because he was guilty or ashamed, and he wanted to clear that up because this was all about him responding to all the lies about him. That just did now sound like a lawyerly choice but very much sounds like something JD would push for. What I thought was outrageous was the way AH's lawyer mocked JD.