The Madness of Crowds | Douglas Murray
John talks to uncompromising author and journalist, Douglas Murray, with a special focus on his new book, The Madness of Crowds, where Douglas examines the twenty-first century’s most divisive issues: sexuality, gender, technology and race.
Douglas Murray is a prolific British author
and journalist. He has been contributor to The Spectator since 2000 and has been associate editor of the magazine since 2012. He has also written regularly for numerous other outlets, including: the Wall Street Journal, The Times, The Sunday Times, The Sun, The Evening Standard, and the New Criterion. He is a regular contributor to National Review and has been a columnist for Standpoint Magazine since its founding.
He has degrees in economics and law from Sydney University, and an MA in politics and philosophy from Oxford, which he attended as a Rhodes Scholar.
#WesternCivilisation #Freedom #Politics #Forgiveness
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00:00 Introduction
7:56 Living in a Postmodern Society
14:14 The myth of the ‘LGBT community’
21:44 How Cultural Marxism Stole Educational Institutions
28:00 Narcissism and the Obstruction of Truth
37:19 One Greatest Lesson from History
44:18 Why Forgiveness Matters
52:37 Why Radical Autonomy is the Enemy of Freedom
59:56 The Lost Art of Forgiving and Forgetting
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Douglas Murray is the quintessential English Gentleman, polite, restrained, truthful, thoughtful, humble and courageous.
Vernet White a comma splice! Did you mean it? Oh, you forgot pedantic...
@Sam Martingell And gay - bigot! Only joking, yes he's gay, but he's more of a genuine man than all the male feminists and green virtue-signallers.
@Sam Martingell you are LITERALLY hitler
@@jonbinki9651 What interests do you mean? Are you speaking in some sort of code? How tiresome and meaningless.
He's Scottish
Can never get enough of Douglas Murray. Thanks for hosting him, John.
Agreed
I am a 67 old Catholic man raised in Los Angeles but have lived in Florida for 49 years. This discussion with Douglas Murray and he is absolutely right.
Murray is a realist in an unreal world and we badly need people like him speaking out with common sense
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sheltered aristocrats bumbling about cultural marxism is the least fucking rational thing considering all the shit going on these kinds of people are attenpting to you distract from.
Yeah? Can you tell me which solutions did he propose (except begging the left to stop)?
@@thunderstruck1078 To be truthful - but Murray's thoughts are wasted on you, I'm afraid. Waiting for an actionplan? Pathetic.
@@mdeleeuw6272 I would agree that "his thoughts are wasted on me" (even though that sentence doesn't make much sense, but I know what you meant). I'm certainly not "waiting for an action plan", but I wonder what are you doing and what's your solution, if you're so sure that I'm pathetic? I'm guessing that I won't get a direct answer from you, coward.
“Wisdom is truth that never changes.” Murray’s wisdom is irrevocably timeless.
Yes! Thank you..I'm 73 and is so refreshing listening Duglas in our times, we need him in all the Western World.
Douglas Murray is the BEST!!! I'm a HUGE fan!
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Academics Hate capitalists - with a sense of entitlement. Why should they toil while others retire? Academics should be banned from academia
@Sam Martingell huh? His last book was all about demographics! What r u talking about?
@Sam Martingell g
@Renato UnREAL The Frankfurt School (Goethe Institute at University of Frankfurt, to be more precise) was exclusively Jewish - kinda weird you wouldn't mention that glaring fact.
Im a 58 year old lesbian and I’m relieved to hear this discussion. I live in CA. I know what’s being said here is true in my heart & yes i hear truth in my soul. There’s so much to be discussed &, even with the courage to do so, who’s out there with matching courage. It’s lonely. Please keep writing, I’m so grateful for the sanity check and of course i bought the book. Starved for intellectual stimulation here in the land of 1’s & 0’s. Far too many zeros😂😉🙏🏼❣️
No Im afraid. There is nothing to "discuss". We are all sick of your sort wasting our valuable time
Btw, lgbtqgkcyofyofhlcjbuf is not "real", it's the polar opposite
With the passing of the great man Sir Roger Scruton, we need Douglas more than ever. God keep him safe.
Such a shame broadcast media don’t see any value in showing thoughtful discussions like this anymore.
The shame is on you for being a fool and not seeing the agenda. Anything thts pushed on the masses from the media is a controll mechanism. Wakey fkin wakey
So grateful to know that if the odds are right. I will outlive Douglas Murray and get to enjoy his articulate reason for the entirety of my life.
17:37 That expression on Douglas' face when he responded "What if that's the point?".....it even set John back for a moment.
Douglas Murray is very well spoken and his words are true and simply presented.
So much content, so much depth, so much truth from both of these gentlemen. Phenomenal interview, thank you!
Perhaps the best interview to date of Murray. It should be required viewing in every high school and by every educator. BRAVO!
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Stephaniemmusic Yo, from Dawchestah!
Stephaniemmusic - Agree! But, the professor would be fired. #CancelCulture. If this doesn't stop soon, Western Civilization is dead.
Even better: kzhead.info/sun/mLWReMdlq3yDi4U/bejne.html
That's what I thought. Hoover one was great but this one one is on another Level.
John is one of the best interviewers on the planet and Murray; ever brilliant, logical and fascinating in his wisdom and courageousness!!! Thank God for these men in such troubling times!
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Murray is brilliant and the interviewer is excellent
@Sam Martingell Douglas Murray has spoken specifically about the 'horror' that is 'Desmond is amazing' - the child drag act. And also spoken to there being a tipping point of non European /white populace in the UK causing a loss of 'English identity and culture.' So, speaking specifically to the two points you just made, i really don't know where you're coming from. Or what your real objection is?
@esot eric Douglas Murray dedicated a whole book to the topic of immigration. Its called The Strange Death of Europe. Maybe you should read more.
@Sam Martingell Douglas Murray dedicated a whole book to the topic of immigration. Its called The Strange Death of Europe. Maybe you should read more.
17:53.... "What if that's the point..." BOOM. Hit the nail on the head!!! With a sledgehammer! And I have never seen Mr. Murray so angry, so riled.
I also reacted to that comment. Goosebumps!
Also the nice editing and mid close up shot when he said it
You can't except to have a diversity-ridden society without identity politics. The only way to confront this from a position of power is to restore our healthy in-group preference.
Douglas is a gentleman of extraordinary quality.
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Preemptively liking any video featuring Douglas Murray before watching is mandatory.
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That's a bit too "ad hominem" but I get your drift.
Quiet, calm rationalism. One of the cornerstones of our civilisation. Great interview, great interviewer.
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Entirely splendid, enjoyed every minute of it. Blessings ever from Belfast, Northern Ireland.
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I don't know that there's anything I love listening to more than a well articulated argument for the betterment of humanity. Thank you both.
Can I say I am absolutely in love with Douglas Murray? His words give me a solid framework to reflect about these issues and I was in need of that. Thank you!
Words means nothing deeds count only
@@riokriok2863 Only someone who is completely unlearned and unread would think and say such a statement.
This man is like the new Christopher Hitchens to me. He says everything that annoys me with this society yet puts it in a very intelligent witty way.
@@HiAdrian lol
@LuciusEsox1 your tone is abusive and pitiful.
much less abrasive.
Christopher Hitchens was all too often unnecessarily savage. He was sidetracked by his own obsession with religion, despite claiming it was irrelevant and for some unaccountable reason was all in favour of meddling in the Middle East.
@@Denis-tg6jw he was savage alright! And the best god dam thinker of the 20th century thus far.
Murray is a wonderful orator. All of his podcast appearances are wonderful.
“What if that’s the point?” That’s EXACTLY what’s happening!
That was a brilliant question!!
I absolutely adore Douglas Murray. Thank you for this one John, most enjoyable.
Telling the truth is immensely stress relieving. It helps your confidence too.
True, if you are not condemned for it or accused of lying when speaking the truth otherwise it's extremely stressful and ruins your confidence.
It is always a pleasure to listen to Douglas. A great interview. Thanks for sharing this.
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They didn't share it, they produced it!
@@JohnAndersonConversations I have just subbed so dont worry ;)
There is no question that this was an excellent interview, but the completely sincere thanks that Mark gave at the end was deeply heartfelt. Thank you for sharing!
An amazing interview with Douglas Murray. John Anderson does justice to one of the great minds of our time. Everyone of any age can benefit from listening to their conversation.
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"Academics are an unusual beast in nature and they have no predator." That's a good one.
clever bullshit isnt it?
This is one of the best lines and sadly so true!
Brilliant!
@@pixelbath2131 spotted the academic
Brilliant and absolutely true!!
Thank you very much Douglas... and John too .
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Is there anything more satisfying than Douglas’s cunning grin after he says something particularly clever!!
An outstanding interview, John. Keep them coming.
I like the opening music too...reminds me of all things beautiful we still haven't appreciated well.
Only problem with your want is, there doesn't seem to be many of "them" . Brilliant people like Murray and Peterson use their words very carefully and concisely to get across basic logical thought and without packing it with emotional blackmail. They also are an enormous vent for the masses who cannot stand up for themselves verbally. They definitely give me courage to speak my mind rationally, and if the Modernazi's want to reject me, that's fine. "Keep Calm" And Win.
This interview is as relevant today (if not more so) as it was 3 years ago!! Brilliant interview 👏
These conversations are magnificent. I can't believe I have only just discovered them. Thank you for doing this.
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Douglas is an absolute legend
It's been a real treat. Douglas Murray is astute, insightful, articulate and witty. His work is fantastic, keep on going Douglas! Thanks for having this conversation John, keep these conversations coming!
“Wisdom is truth that never changes.” Murray’s wisdom is irrevocably timeless.. Can never get enough of Douglas Murray. Thanks for hosting him, John..
Murray is an amazing journalist and commentator. Such an invaluable voice in our crazy world.
Douglas is that rare thing these days, a thinker. Great interview, thanks.
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What a wonderful conversation between two outstanding, cultured deep thinkers. I have come away with deep thoughts and questions of my own. Thank you to you both.
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Great video, thanks John.
I love this guy! What an intelligent, articulate and amazing thinker! This is what I love! Not once did his sexual orientation come up! Just a conversation on how we can make life better for all. 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽👏🏽🙌🏽 Kudos Douglas!
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Thank you both for this very important discussion! Thank you, especially, Douglas! I wanted to review your views before I read The Madness of Crowds. Thank you, John Anderson.
He is fiercely brilliant and his thinking is crystal clear. One of the best interviews or rather conversations I've heard in a decade
Great discussion John. I love hearing Douglas talk.
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The privilege of hearing this conversation has made me a better person, if ever so slightly. Thanks to both John Anderson and Douglas Murray.
Just finished reading, "The Strange Death of Europe." Fantastic. Now reading, "The Madness of Crowds."
I'm reading Dr Duck goes to the Farm. I'm on page 2.
It's not as good as the strange death of europe imo. Still a good read but there was a lot more insight and work out into the Strange death of europe
burtlangoustine1 - And?
A cultured Australian accent is so good to hear.
@@countblobula as opposed to "Ged, defund Nue Zuland". Nobody crushes vowels quite like our bretheren from the Land of the Wrong White Crowd!
You mean pronouncing psyche as syke?
@@alexwatson2479 Should have been sigh-kee eh? Meh, he was a polly from memory, can't expect that much. Much better interviewer.
He sounds like a country bogan
He actually speaks with a bit of a broad accent, but it's important to remember that his speech is still somewhat posh and sophisticated for someone of his generation. Look up some of the archival footage videos of street interviews with Australians in the 1960s, and you'll see how the accent has evolved over time. I was born in 2000 in Adelaide, SA, and I grew up here. My brothers and I speak with a fairly posh accent (although we sound more general when drunk), yet my parents (born in the 60s) sound much less posh than we do
Dear Mr Anderson and Mr Murray, I have watched Mr Murray discuss a myriad of topics and it always has been an enlightening experience, but in watching Mr Murray talk openly with Mr Anderson, one has the impression that both of you bring out the best in each other. It just comes across as the most honest and down-to-earth dialogue with no one coming off as trying to be better than the other, but genuinely interested in what the other has to say. I have never heard Mr Anderson speak, but the sheer openness and humaneness in his approach to life is something we are not used to
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Douglas Murray is my hero... he manages to tell the truth without sounding too extremist. He is so well spoken and always manages to choose the right words to describe things.
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Douglas Murray is an amazing man love listening to him, he speaks and debates very well. God bless his honesty.
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Thoroughly enjoyed this chat-every last minute of it. These two men are nothing less than cultural and ideological treasures. You both inspire me to fight the good fight.
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what is marxism? other than an amorphous boogey man of sheltered arostocrats afraid of egalitarianism
@@pixelbath2131 What are "arostocrats" ? ;)
Thank you John and Douglas for a wonderful interview. John, your pleasant courage in letting Douglas speak without talking over the top but not hiding your Christian faith, is so refreshing. Douglas, I've read Madness of Crowds and it is a superb analysis of the current state of things. You both give me hope that our culture may not yet be lost.
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Thanks John for your courage and effort, your channel is essential watching for younger Australians, who have not been privy to common sense or judeo-christian values.
Douglas Murray, another great thinker. In all his talks and discussions I always come away with new perspectives and clarity. Thank you both
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I have worked as a secondary art teacher in the United States for the past 18 years and I have become painfully aware that our students have VERY limited knowledge of WORLD history and a limited understanding of American history as it relates to the rest of the world. I try to provide my students with lessons in history as it pertains and connects with artistic movements and scientific or technological developments, but it is like starting with the ABCs in the process of learning to read. It is often very frustrating.
@Ah. Jesus man I thought guys like you died out... Doesn't it atleast strike you as odd that you have a one-answer solution for all these problems? Please try to think about it a little harder before wanting to start another race war.
The system has been failing to educate the children since elementary school.
Hence the children impressions of their ancestors' role in history and society from thousands of hours watching commercials and television with its distorted narrative and deconstructive themes.
@@embalmertrick1420 Of which generation? I'm Gen X and this shit was already visible to us as kids who had any self/situational awareness in the 80's. I was a voracious reader as a kid and had did the whole family encyclopedia set more than once and a small chunk of the school library before I was even much into my teens and even then I could see too many of our collective teachers, and many adults in general, were stupid as rocks in what they were teaching and believed were real and didn't even care.
I suggest starting with teaching about the deaths attributed to Marx. Then Maps of Meaning by Jordan Peterson
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Take me to your leader is hilarious.
I fell off my chair, at that point, too!
God bless you, Mr. Anderson! Thank you for preaching the Gospel.
Scruffy Murray is the BEST Murray.
I'm thinking of organising a fundraiser to buy Douglas a belt - who will join me on a GoFundMe?
And the sexiest.
@@aperera6500 I am not gay, and I endorse this message
"Women think this. Oh really?" This is so good. Can't wait to get the book. Almost finished with The Strange Death and it is amazing.
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Madness of crowds is brilliant v accurate. How is strange death? That’s next on my list
@@emilygooner9697 I would replicate exactly what you say about Madness of Crowds. :)
Love it and he narrates his own books which I love I’m all over it, enjoy the other book!!!
Thought provoking, succinct and articulate. Thank you!
Murray always reasoned and makes so much sense, I do wish he was in government or at least an advisor
He would no longer be free to speak then.
Gerard Freeman - his books should be mandatory reading in all schools and colleges!
Thank you John for your channel.
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Glad I listened to all of it, always enjoy Douglas Murray, he is definitely heaven sent.
One of the great minds in public discourse.
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This is the best interview I have heard from Douglas since his last book. He tends to repeat himself in different interviews. You, however, took him on a different, more interesting, path.
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Loved your recent return to Rubin. I was a bit young when you were in power here but it's great hearing from you now days. Covering the important issues!
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"When the big-bearded man with male genitalia wins the women's weight-lifting competition..." 😂🤣 So true and Douglas Murray's wit is absolutely priceless......!!
We live in a world of fabulists and the infantile. This man is refreshing.
Love your work John Anderson! Keep up the good fight...
"Why would we be taking the individualism out of individuals?" Because that is *exactly* the goal. To take the concept of individual rights out of the West, so that we revert to group rights and group competition, the historical norm.
Bingoo - once i saw all these different seemingly baffling “interest groups” all as expressions of anti individualism, the peices fall into place, the correct questions come to mind to ask these people and you find yourself flying directly over the target.
the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.
@@TheShootist Ergo, rape gangs are great! (Ironic condemnation or contention?)
But “who” are running this global conspiracy? There is no conspiracy, only different interest groups fighting for whatever change they want.
Love, love, love Douglas Murray!
This is what two thoughtful gentleman look like. Bravo!
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I highly admire his eloquence.
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Fantastic interview, could listen to these two for hours.
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I hope more and more people will listen to this very intelligent man, if they will just listen, maybe Europe can still be saved! Watching from the US! I see what is happening in Europe starting to happen here! As a frequent visitor to Europe over the last 20 years, Its very dangerous times and most people in Europe seem to be sticking their heads in the sand! Most Americans dont travel and are oblivious!
I absolutely love listening to this man talk. Just goes to show that high intellect & reason of thought still has a lot to offer even in these 'Woke ' times we live in. It also retains the power to cut through all the idiotic shouting down & labelling associated with the PC brigade & still resonates with most sensible thinking people.
I wish I could express myself as beautifully as these men. Gives me hope that everything will be alright my kids
thank you for this important conversation. I love Douglas Murray and have all his books, including Bosie. It is disturbing that we are in a time of Cancel culture where a person is vilified for speaking of that which does not jive with the current hysteria. Love and forgiveness are key, I am a woman who does not want to be equal with a man, I am happy to recognize we are different, and each. sex has its strengths.
God bless you Douglas Murray, even if you don't believe in him. Keep searching for truth, it will eventually become everyone's master.
Mr Murray is a beacon of wisdom and understanding about the current culture war. All delivered in a calm, articulate, supremely knowleadgeable way. A true intellectual giant and a pleasure to listen to. Not all Oxford humanist education is wasted, after all! A note to Mr Anderson: Finding this channel was a real surprise for me, you were one of the better ministers in the John Howard government. Your evolution from the political cesspits of the early 2000s to the values and ideas expoused in this channel is a pleasant surprise which, I must say, was an unexpected find in an ex politician. Many of the problems discussed in this video have been visible for years. Some questions beg asking (to which I don't expect an answer): were you aware of the gallopping cancer of cultural Marxism while you were in government? Why didn't the Howard "conservatives" do something then? For example, a funding inquiry into the ABC?
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Douglas Murray is an inspiration and one of the great minds of our time.
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sheltered aristocrats are the least useful sources of philosophy. stop being hypnotised by clever sounding accents/cadence
An absolute 'must watch' to every human being in Western societies...
Gotta hand it to KZhead. Regardless of their suspected political leanings they provide an open platform for guys like me so I can listen to guys like Douglas Murray
Brilliant, the both of you. Thank you for this.
I have been very enlightened by listening to Douglas Murray's explanation of what's happening in our culture. It's the same here in Canada! I appreciate that you interviewed Douglas Murray and that you believe in the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. I truly believe He is the only One who can steer us back onto the only oath that makes sense. 😊 Thanks for this.
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Thank you for the interview, John. Also enjoyed your interview with Jordan Peterson a while ago. Just started reading Douglas Murray's latest book recently. Cheers from Ottawa.
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Thank you for such a brilliant and inspirational conversation!❤️😊
Such a pleasure to listen to two intelligent authentic gentleman discuss the madness that has taken over this world. Freedom is being taken away from the majority by the minority and the removal of freedom of speech is quite frightening. If we remain silent whilst we still are able to have an opinion I shudder to think what is coming just around the corner.
I’ve been on the edge of my seat waiting for this 😍
Great interview!
To just spend an entire day alone with Douglas Murray and talk, ponder, share thoughts...that would rate #1 on my (fantasy) Bucket List. Just, wow!
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What a nice, deep voice John Anderson has! 😃
"Clearing the social minefields" is a great analogy.
Two top blokes great interview.
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It's a relief to see other intellectuals (such as Mr. Murray) speaking sensibly about the mandatory craziness which has swept Western culture in the new century. "Wokeness" is a retrograde religion which has poisoned every sector of life it's touched. And Mr. Murray is 100% correct to identify the fact "wokeness" has exactly the same totalitarian flavor manifested by religious zealotry in eras past. Hopefully more and more grown-ups are willing to show some spine and endure the mobs. We have to show our children a better path.
This gentleman is not only intelligent, but Mr. Murray conveys a common sense approach to this mad world by virtue of his quietly well spoken demeanor.
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