Hard Drive Disc Destruction - Copper Aluminum - ASMR Metal Melting - BigStackD Platter Perfection
Hey guys n gals how are you awesome people today? A little bit of aluminium and copper melting today as I add another 3 kg to the stack which is great. Today I melt down a heap of hard disk drive platters sent to me by a subscriber and I get myself a few awesome bars of which I shine up one perfectly. That one mirrored bar in this Video took me around 60 minutes from start to finish. It’s very time-consuming making these bars look perfect but quite rewarding once it’s all done. Also today I do a couple of devil forge coins out of copper cable, they didn’t come out too great but they are nice big and chunky of which I’m very happy to put on the shelf.
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Hard Disc Drive Destruction - Copper Aluminum - ASMR Metal Melting - BigStackD Casting Platters
How are all you awesome people doing this week? A Quick thank-you to all who participated in the poll on my community page.With over 28,000 votes Nordic gold seemed to be the clear winner of your favourite metals to see. So be sure to tune in next week for some Nordic gold goodness coming your way. Also as I have mentioned previously I am in the works with a designer and will be getting some merchandise happening very soon for any of you who would like to support my channel. Thank you all again I hope you enjoy this weeks video and have a fantastic week ahead , BSD😁
First comment in here. Hello
11 minutes late
I started a new thread
I was going to ask if you had any merchandise out there to possibly purchase. Can't wait
bro i love how you post at midnight lol love your melts
I think this is the most secure way to protect data... MELT IT...
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Most secure way to get rid of the data you don’t want
Yep then cops cant find it etiher
I can just imagine BigStackD calling Drive Savers and saying that his hard drive was in a fire and he needed the data off it. And when he ships it to them, they'll open the box and see an ingot
@@thomasvlaskampiii6850 that would be funny.
So when i die, please clear my browser history and send my hard drives to BigstackD
Lol
@sebas Stein I love my browser history!
Hahahhaha good idea 😂
@Tano HDDs are more reliable. SSDs can't handle the reading and writing load nearly as long as an HDD can. Unless you're going to RAID them which will vastly improve the longevity of SSDs. But if you're building on a budget then a single HDD is the better choice for a PC. Now in a laptop, the loss in longevity is balanced out by the reduced power consumption, so that may be better for you. Still, preferably you want to get a laptop that allows for 2 or more hard drives so you can raid the SSDs. It cannot be understated the performance boost given by a proper RAID in place.
@Tano I don't quite think you know what you're talking about honestly. HDDs blow SSDs out of the water in terms of reliability. For every year an SSD can last, and HDD can last 2, sometimes 3 depending on the quality of the HDD. SSDs are faster and more energy efficient. That's about it though. As for RAID, it's something you can do with HDDs and SSDs. So even you with your HDD hating self should do it. It's more than worth it even if you go 0.
From Dallas Texas 4 years watching and still addicted to da big stacked D
I just noticed that you write your prices even in Czech Crowns (CZK). Not many people from outside of Europe even know about us so you made me happy :)
dude Czech makes good fire arms. i had a really nice CZ varmit rifle a few years back but had to sell to make a car insurance payment. more people than you think knows about your nice little country.
If you use commas between dollars and cents you should be imprisoned
I have some Czech Crowns. Nice place to visit. Good beer.
BigstackD offering new data destruction services.
Hey, I have this box in my attic called "Taxes" and "Incriminating Evidence" I need you Big stack!
I remove hard drive data without destroying them by over writing data over and over again to them trust me recovery services couldn't even get the data back
@@letsgetto1millwithoutvids actually, while you might remove data, you don't remove the header tags from a drive (a traditional, mechanical drive.) And doing that on an ssd kills the drive faster
@@fuckyouyoutube9579 correct on an SSD it does kill it faster but we're talking about HDDs and this is how governments wipe hard drives the standard for the FBI is 3-5 passes try recovering anything from that good luck I'm not talking about formatting the drive if you know what I'm talking about then yh if not then I can explain
@@letsgetto1millwithoutvids I do and a format does a 1 pass of zeros. It doesn't remover header tags though, which whatever the title of the data that toy had on the drive can be retrieved. Gutterman, the hard drive man himself has stated that modern disks are so dense that one zero out is enough to remove data from a drive. Also, you don't even need to zero out the data. A simple overwrite from a cmd prompt that fills a drive erg dead data also works.
When she asks what I am watching: “Well, there is this guy, right. And he breaks stuff down and then, like, he melts the stuff and pours it in these moulds right. Then he puts the stuff onto a block of ice and then he drops a brick on it. And then he polishes it. And in between he also plays with his dogs and when he finishes he has a beer....” She just looks at me like I am slowly losing it!
“slowly”
Broke it down to it’s simplest description.👍🏼👍🏼
Should Have just said "devil worship channel"
And he writes the metal prices in an unicorn notebook
Thats the simplicity of man. Lol we could enjoy something interesting and completely compartmentalize it from everything else! Cheers!!
When you use your 3D prints, you should smooth over a thin layer of wood filler with your fingers. When it dries just lightly sand off the chunks. I've found that it helps remove layer lines, and might improve the quality a bit. I use this method for making D&D mini terrains, afterwards I spray it with primer and it looks pretty great.
NSA be like "yeah, we can still recover the data."
Say goodbye to hard drive discs. Say hello to... *_...MEMORY INGOTS!_*
imagine giving it to data recovery company
LOL
Data crystals 1.0 !!
@@ebrocoliphoto Top quality joke here
I would buy one, something unique and different.
Ever since my brother showed me one of your videos, I've been binge watching your melts! Love the idea of melting HDD's! Amazingly therapeutic, and makes me want to invest in a 'starter kit'... Big thanks from South Africa!
You american
13:46 "magnet in a cup" for picking up steel. I use a magnet in a plastic bag so that when I'm done, I turn the bag inside out leaving the steel IN the bag, and the magnet outside, but clean.
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Me: I wonder how much evidence he is destroying for someone...
As Reese(Malcolm in the middle) would say, "No evidence. No prosecution."
no one would send their totaly fine working drives, they were all either broken or corrupted hence making them useless
JINXY or Hillary's
@@jinxy7869 or just really old, what else you gonna do with a 1 or 2 gig drive?
@@tarrantwolf the oldest one i got is atleast 500 gb
R.I.P. "homework" folder
Or porn folder. 😀
@@MaxRager80 😂😂
@@MaxRager80 whoosh
@@MaxRager80 ain't nobody gonna talk shit bout my homeworks xD
He just destroyed about 80085 assignments.
you reflect your country well with your videos. very organized. perfect timing in your editing. good teaching. im thankful you share!
There is something aesthetically pleasing about holding a solid bar of metal. Knowing that you reclaimed and cast it yourself must make it that much sweeter.
Just subscribed watch grade is that just mixed
The first poor of ingutts
Sorry The first pore the discs. l can't use this key pad on phone big daft lol an dislecsic
The purity of the Aluminium used in the platters really shows when you have almost no slag to skim off before pouring.
Yeah and some dort from the crucible
The surface of the discs contains some magnetic coating. I've heard it contains chromium, cobalt, platinum and not sure what else. The quantity of platinum is very small and not worth recovering.
@@louistournas120 You're absolutely correct.
"Cookies deleted successfully" I personally love the look of copper, but all your ingots get such a beautiful finish!
It's been a while since I saw your films Big D. Tempted back by the subject matter, I'd also forgotten how calming it is watching metal being melted and poured/pawed (the last one's for Ingot). All my collected computer bits, the eye candy stuff, motherboards and the stainless CD stuff all got made into art, mounted on 4 big sheets of hardboard. I'd love to melt stuff but don't have the gear so I carve in stone outside the man-cave with my dog, Priscilla the turkey and her 2 small bantam garden crew audience. Our 3 lock-downs haven't been so bad for our bubble but we'd all be lost without our feather and fur companions, who have so much faith and trust in us, and ever such a pity when people break that trust. All the best from England.
Cheers Pete I appreciate that mate👊🏻😁. Hopefully you’re back for the long haul but I don’t mind if you just drop in sporadically when you get a chance that works as well👌🏻
Sleepy Doggies are best doggies. Always glad to see what can be made out of stripped down things.
Plot twist: one of the disk he meltdown is the disk from the lost Crypto Currency one that worth like billions now.
Lol wouldn’t that be funny...
Reduced to the spot price for impure aluminium.
@@benwinkel actually it still technically exists, it just can’t be accessed or seen...
And even if it were one of them, it would be worthless as soon as the hard drive was opened
They were the discs that had the proof reptilians secretly rule the world.
Things i've learned from bigstackD: If you're ever having trouble melting your aluminum, just give it a good stir.
The aluminum was melting fine, its the platinum he had trouble with :D
@@ForestSongUnLTD HDDs have platinum in them?
@@vbgvbg1133 A super thin coating of it, yes. That's probably why he made a coin from the slag.
@@ForestSongUnLTD You'd have to refine it
As an IT professional, I really enjoyed this one!
I just love it when the whole thing ignites like that, really adds to the whole devil angle, you could make a metal box instead of wood but now I think it would be at the cost of that visual aesthetic.
The discs fitting in the crucible like that was way more satisfying than it should have been.
Thought the same
The slag skull actually came out pretty cool; it looked like a casting of a much older skull, one that had been beaten, worn and cracked by the ages~
I love your work
Watching copper and aluminum cool is one of the most fascinating things as you watch the structure of the metal rapidly crystalize.
Awesome video bigstackD. I love the way molten copper looks. It is amazing. Thank you for keeping the videos coming. Stay safe over there
Why not look at investing in a Milling machine, to clean the surface, gives chips instead of dust, and is not contaminated with sanding and grinding compounds, and only needs a polish once machined.
With a nice sharp flycutter you can get some lovely finishes. And they'll stack nicer, too!
That’s removing too much material that will need to be reprocessed, also just needless time and labor, never mind an expensive machine. The ingots are not a finished product, just an efficient way of storing material for future use/sale.
IT guy: that's my data Bigstackd guy: it's food for the forge🔥🔥🔥
Instead of blood for the blood gods and skulls for the skull throne, it's scrap metal for the metal forge! 😅
You are really great in smelting metals my friend, one of the best so far.
Espetacular!!! Muito bom mesmo!!! Parabéns!!
Today's title should be, "Melting Memories Away"
Kinda like Joe Biden
@@squirlboy250 He wouldn't know how to get the furnace lit. That kind of stuff is what the Clinton foundation is for.
It’s all just a burning memory
I actually really love the slag skull it’s so imperfect with cracks and uneven surfaces it really looks like an old buried piece of treasure and fits the whole skull vibe. Really great work man!!
"Always heat your skimmer" - yup, I'll remember that next time I'm doing this.
Lol
Next time
Very educational channel, I never knew HARD disc's were made from SOFT aluminum.
Found this channel accidentally. Now I am kinda addicted to these videos, lol.
Same
Yeah, it's like watching Bob Ross paint somehow, but better asmr, and visuals, no offense to Ross
Been watching for a while it doesn't get old...🤯
Yes there are a lot of other channels similar because they all copied Bigstackd 🙄🤣
You know, if you go back through your entire list of videos and number them all in the title and put them in a playlist, you'd probably get a whole lot of binge watchers.
Probably people have already been binge watching since the first lockdown back in march 2020 (woah, it passed a year!)
Lmao I binge watched them all in 3 days back in July. Look forward to his vids every week
This is DEFINITELY one of my favorite videos, I am a computer guy, and have Kgs of computer parts I want to melt down, I was particularly excited to se what was going to be done with the platters.
Been watching this guy for 2years man 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾 keep it stack
Has all the satisfaction of feeling like youre learning without the headache from actually learning
That's the beauty of "infotainment" :-D
This is awesome! My first video as a subscriber to the channel (been watching your vids for the last week as I began my own journey to melt and cast), and I am pumped to be watching. Your vids are soooo good and I love the puppers.
love those bars love your work . its smooth and precise and most of all satisfying.
Show de bola, muito legal um dia quero ter equipamentos assim, grande abraço amigo
When you get up early for a big stack of melting satisfaction ;o
when you stay up late to watch some meltin ;0
I work nights, sleep at daytime. If I have the night off, I stay up binge watching bigstackd, AvE, art by adrock, Demolition Ranch, watch jrgo,
That what she said!
Texas Night Owl representation, reporting in.
Get back to work!
Something very pleasing about watching scrap metal being melted down to make something of value, thanks
Parabéns companheiro, excelente trabalho
Your dogs have the most laid back personality
Looks great buddy! I don’t think the coins came out that bad at all. 👍🏻🍻🍻🍻
Hi can you cast a metal toy car out of aluminum and maybe paint it a little
Hi
@@BLU-RAY_GAMING I could but I have other things in mind 🤔
@@ArtByAdrock it's alright you can do it when ever you want
@@BLU-RAY_GAMING maybe eventually, I’ll look into something like that 👍🏻
The song of ice and fire, at 6:20, still one of the most beautiful displays I've ever seen
This looks like a dangerous hobby for me lol. I would go all out into this.
BigstackD really out here flexing on us with that beautiful Australia weather, as all of America is freezing over and I have 5 feet of snow outside my house rn.
All of America? We just hit 90 yesterday here in Arizona lol. Send some of the cold weather our way, I’d gladly take some of that snow for ya!
All the snow is melting here in the Great Midwest! 👍
Then you must be in Texas buddy
Oh my. The flames from the ice.. I didn't think it would be hot enough to split the water into Hydrogen and Oxygen.
Those HDD platters arent just aluminum, perhaps some exotic platinum reaction?
Good observation! I noticed that too.
Yes, the platters in hard drives are usually plated in platinum. Not sure if platnium reacts in such a way in those conditions. Its usually pretty inactive and has a very high melting point. Its likely mostly in the slag which is why I think the slag was very pasty and wouldnt pour.
@@robertbeighter6336 The Cobalt in the alloy reacted with the water to form Cobalt Oxides. I hope he was wearing a respirator.
this guy is so underrated. i watch videos on his channel whenever im feeling stressed, and it really mellows me out. i truly love watching this kinda stuff because you can always find beauty in garbage. Keep rockin my friend✊
Cheers buddy I appreciate that👊🏻😁
So you basically watch his videos when you have a mental MELTDOWN?
9:55 love every thing so far, though i do have 1 suggestion, when forming your molds, try to make yourself a funnel out of clay, it should make your pours easier, other than that, i love how you melt the junk in to beautiful bars, not to mention the other shapes.
“Scooped slag skull”. I think that might be the cause of my problems.... 😊
Now this is the quality content I've been cooking for.
This man can solve the today's aluminum shortage
I just want to give a big thumbs up to the best organizing system labels ever! "Sanding Shit boxes 1 -4" and "Craft Crap" 🤣😂 I love your channel. You're my Zen.🧘💕
Hey everyone, have a nice day and/or night.
GRANT REQUEST FOR SCP-682 TERMINATION ATTEMPT VIA EXPOSURE TO SCP-610.
@@ballincantgetup4684 Denied, we can't risk either of those escaping.
Perfect wipe of data, I really liked the slag skull and those coins were nice! keep it up
It may be that one of the other subscribers can answer my question ❓ of why these videos are so satisfying nearly 💯 percent of the time ☯️
This channel is worth it for the sped up hammering alone.
I love when he cuts the petrobond, it looks like a nice chocolate cake
"melting muppet" lmao
I like how he uses his pobox address and it is in his home mail box
@@southaussiegarbo2054 he delivered his own package to his house lol
Actually buddy I’m friends with the delivery guy and he drops off my packages all the time, it’s certainly very helpful👍🏻.
@@bigstackD good to know. Fyi i wanna find someone i can pay via gift cards for woolies or coles to melt me something down as well as something for themselfs but idk how much it would cost 😂.
Hey there. Great videos! I see you put the copper on ice. I'm not sure if you are aware but copper actually turn softer when you cool it off fast. Letting it cool off slow toughens copper. Keep on melting and love the videos.
I have been watching for a few weeks learning alot love the vids I have found a new hobby awesome, your work is phenomenal
Recyclers make $16 for all this metal and hard work finding and scraping, but he makes like $20,000 PER video lmao. I love the economic system. Lmao 😂
You may love the economic system, however, you clearly don't understand the KZhead ad revenue system or how YuoTube monetizes videos. CLEARLY, bigStackd is not making $20,000 per week posting 1 video each Friday.
@@sjagain can you please break it down to me then? And can you also include Patrons? Thank you
D are you sure this video was almost 18 minutes? It felt like 8 minutes to me. I guess that's because I really enjoy watching you do your thing. I loved the mirror finished bar as usual and everything else came out fine as far as I'm concerned. Even the slag skull. Great job by an awesome guy who happens to be my favorite!!! ❤✌ Looking forward to Nordic gold next week! 😍
Fresh copper looks so good. Probably my favorite metal.
I use to use electrolysis to "crack" the Platinum later off of the aluminum disk. Still have a vial full somewhere in the shed. Another great video!
I still have almost every hard drive from every PC I have owned, a couple might be missing at most. It's a couple of shoeboxes full. I wonder if I can still get any data off them...
Using a pc app called "recuver" id say most likely.(its essentially a free basic version of what the cops use fyi)
plug em into your pc and find out if they spin up
They should all still work if you have the right hard drive ports for them
@@southaussiegarbo2054 Thanks, man.
@@rupertmiller9690 its a tip i got a few years ago when at school still from one the IT GUYS (Cheers to greg) so he saved my rear end a couple times with his support and instal for it.
Great show .. I’ve been wondering how well those platters melted..thank you 👊🏻
roses are red Copper is black Bigstackd is finally back!
Although I never went anywhere, I’ve been here and haven’t misssd a weekly upload in over five years👌🏻
My dad owned a company or two that made those old disc drives ImI and corvus and he used to bring home hundreds of those disc that never passed . I kept about thirty of them in a box for memory haha and made lots of wind chimes out of the others . Copper , aluminum and Nickel
huh weird, i would have guessed hard drive platters were made of some kind of steel since they have to be ferromagnetic.. but it seems they are made from aluminium with just a thin magnetic coating.. nice ^^ (the coating is probably that stuff you can see at 2:30 i guess)
I thought it was palladium
So interesting point of info on those platters, i'm fairly certain you could recover precious metal's from that slag due to the sputtering process used to coat them. Unsure of how much you could recover but with a decent amount of them might be worth while.
I had been thinking the same thing 🤦♂️
They have platinum on them but it's soo thin you would need 10x what he had to get enough just to pay for the chemicals required to extract the platinum.
@@mewmewdesigns895 Yes its a very tiny amount. But I think it was the platinum contamination that made the ending slag so thick he had to spoon it into the mold.
So stoked to have a BDay shout out from you!!! Love the vids, watch every Friday and always playing more in the background when gaming. Keep it up! Love it! One day hope to try my hand at a melt. ;)
Happy birthday! , Sorry I was a week out but that’s the beers fault not mine🤦🏻♂️. have a great weekend my friend take it easy and be safe👊🏻😁🍻🍻🍻🍻🇦🇺
The skull pour that was incomplete was very cool from an artistic standpoint. Best pour of the bunch, in my opinion.👍
The "melting Muppet" thing gave me a giggle
Awesome. Finally a good video to watch before I go off to cadets
Amazing to watch so fascinating and loved the Treasure cove of Casts ! Awesome Job dude
Hey bud. When you push things through a table saw, you push them on the right side of the blade (fence side). If that brings your hands dangerously close to the blade, then use a push stick. You can still guide the lumber with your left hand on the left side of the blade, but don't push on that side. Also table saws aren't made for cutting off the ends of lumber (cross cutting) but rather for ripping with the grain. It's much safer to use a circular saw or chop saw to cross cut. Thanks for the content.
0:45 Plot Twist: The CIA has been looking for these for a while and he just destroyed the information for free bitcoins.
They are freaking brand new
@@neelo420 How would you know 🤔
@@neelo420 they prob aren't. Hard drives are assembled by robots to reduce the amount of impurities in the drive, and generally opening them up can ruin the hard drive
"sit back and relax" I'm literally doing my math homework and watching this
Such cool ingots. And I have a feeling not even the best hacker will be able to retrieve anything from those former hard disks. Wonderful idea. 👍🏼😊
im about to get into smelting as a hobby as well, who would you go through for a custom mold like you have with the coins you cast? Also, what kind of kit would you recommend? there are a lot out there and i don't wanna get a crap one and get burnt out right away
You cannot erase a hard drive completely. BSD: OH YEAH, HOLD MY BEER and watch this. Lol. Have you tried the little metal flasks, print the coins at 50mm and you can get about 2 in most, or max the size out to just under the flask limit and try 1, cast them vertically. Take care and have a great weekend. Cheers 👍🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺
I love your videos. I like the looks of a good copper ingot. Good luck to you and your family!
Gran trabajo! Gran dominio de la metalurgia y un ejemplo de todo lo que arrojamos a la basura. G
Pretty sure thats the name of the lovely lady down at the truck stop "slag n spills", think she helps the truckers clean their cabs between drives as there's lots of noise n bumping around.
The only thing we all hate about this channel is this dude doesn’t melt more than 10 kilos every week 🙃
Endlich weiß ich jetzt, was das für Scheiben sind! Ich fand mal 4 im Gelben Sack und habe sie dann an Nylonschnur als Mobile aufgehängt. (Die haben sich stets gedreht.) Wenn dann die Sonne draufschien, gab das so schöne Reflexe. Als ich dann umzog, habe ich sie in der alten Wohnung gelassen, weil sie den Nachfolgern so gut gefielen.👍🏻 Die wussten damals auch nicht, was das ist.
Darn, those platters are so beautiful, perfect mirror circles, I wish there was a good re-use for them, like maybe in some art, or maybe one could make a solar collector oven etc. with them. But of course, you do you :)
Hard drive discs, as far as my secondhand knowledge from like 2014 goes, are pretty common. You could probably find some on the internet easily and use them for art if you want.
Noooo, not the precious DATA Joking, this was a great video :D
I’ve always loved smelting and forging videos. I found your last vid about 40 min ago- and now here this one is!!!! Love the content! Take my subscription! Also please pet the dogs for me.
That Al-Cu alloy from the platters has an amazing colour and shine to it. It must be very pure.
Bro I got a problem, I'm addicted to these
What If you cast the top half of a Terminator, like a T-100, in aluminum and then set in in one of the bar molds and poured copper around it like it was melting? It would be cool to see some unmelted stuff mixed in with melted stuff.