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Most frustrating thing has the been the community response to the whole thing. So many people talking about “you are not entitled to a re-match”. While i don’t disagree with the sentiment, the fact of the matter is MAJORITY of people not giving rematches is to retain points or because their Ego can’t take a loss. Tekken community is allergic to calling a spade a spade.
@Phoenix-ff4le13 күн бұрын
I don't rematch on ranked unless I am confident I can win. There is no reward in ranked for rematching someone. That is the game's fault, not the player's. Also, the way the points are given out are complete BS, nonsensical, and random. Wanna git gud by rematching? Play quick play. We didn't make the rules, the game devs did
@AsukasSlave13 күн бұрын
Calling a spade a spade here is kinda funny given you are arguing from analogy. You demonstrate cognitive dissonance and allow your personal bias towards people not rematching you be dictated by what you PERCEIVE to be an ego loss. "So many people talking about 'you are not entitled to a re-match "... this would infer that "MAJORITY of people not giving rematches" are following this sentiment for their own personal reasons, but most likely as you claim, you are not entitled to a rematch.
@user-by6eb6zo7g13 күн бұрын
@@user-by6eb6zo7gdamn that's a lot of big words
@vegaspony13 күн бұрын
@@user-by6eb6zo7g no but youre still a pussy for leaving lol, yea maybe u got busy but i really, really doubt the 500 azucena, victor, king, feng, and drag mains all had a call in from work.
@thatonebandit933313 күн бұрын
i dont rematch kings and hwo
@zix798813 күн бұрын
They should give a little bonus rank to the winner of a full set. Meaning if you make it to game 3 the winner gets maybe 100 additional points. That way people are encouraged to stay.
@le-roybattleiii819513 күн бұрын
and make the loser lose less points to entice the worse player acceepting the match.
@balazstoth706113 күн бұрын
@@balazstoth7061 this tbh. Its not keeping the winning player that is the challenge it is getting the losing player to keep playing
@casbalt776312 күн бұрын
@@casbalt7763actually no, the winner is actually the one that has less salt, and wants to take the points and run.
@nigelstanford412 күн бұрын
@@nigelstanford4 Not in my experience, but different experiences may vary so I won't say that that doesn't happen. Something should incentivize both players ideally I guess.
@casbalt776312 күн бұрын
@@balazstoth7061 YES YES YES I LOVE YOU WE NEED LAB TIME (Stuck in purple)
@williejones644612 күн бұрын
I also hate it when you take the first set then your opponent takes the next set then just leaves. Its like bro come on..........
@Unknownengima013 күн бұрын
All the fucking time...finally a good fighting game and this shit is goin on...
@OpeSnaps13 күн бұрын
@@OpeSnaps it's very disappointing
@Unknownengima013 күн бұрын
@Unknownengima0 I've done that 1 time and it was a feng who ki charged and demoted me second game I won ki charged ranked up and left. The guy deserved it imo.
@phriscalmer874013 күн бұрын
@@phriscalmer8740 ki chargers and teabaggers are different. They are in the same league for me as laggy people. They get no rematches whether i win or lose. They give no respect, they get none.
@arpadszabo66113 күн бұрын
I blame the devs for making it only 1st to 2. Most competitive mindset people want to play a good opponent for longer, instead of sifting back through disconnection rates.
@delphinium77139 күн бұрын
The manners in tekken are insane. People get insanely pissed if you land one low hit and start spamming lows in the orange ranks, then in the red ranks they ALWAYS try to kick you after the round ends. But if you do the same to them? Good god, you think you’d killed their beloved pet the way they lose their shit
@joshuafreeman360913 күн бұрын
I find this to be so common with grabs too. If you land a grab mix-up, I find very often the opponent will start spamming throws back. This happens so frequently that I've found it's easy to predict and just start punishing them for trying to throw me lol
@kyleannen73112 күн бұрын
@@kyleannen731Also true. Land a grapple on an orange rank Dragonuv and he’s gonna start going for that tackle grab every chance he gets
@joshuafreeman360912 күн бұрын
@@kyleannen731 I think many players just forget throws exist and when you throw them they suddenly remember lol
@garymichalles838312 күн бұрын
@@kyleannen731 I love it when they do that. I'm always surprised by how rarely people throw. How am I going to practice teching if people won't throw unless they're king? I throw all the time. It's good for you.
@Vespyr_10 күн бұрын
@@garymichalles8383 months into a games life I will have those moments, and naturally my reaction is to try and "cement" the idea so I end up doing the thing tons in that match. Sucks cause yeah, I get blown up for it but honestly in my case it's just... Yeah you reminded me that exists so imma use it now lmao
@BanditOMG5 күн бұрын
Honestly I don't know why more fighting games don't take a note out of Killer Instinct's book and just force the best of 3 if you're in a ranked setting. Gold vs Killer or Killer vs Killer matches require one player to win two matches before they get any points. I'm a firm believer that this should be a standard going forward for all ranked modes, without limiting it to high ranks. Specifically because of this issue; the system calls you out for being a fraud if you can't adapt.
@ArchsSpace13 күн бұрын
Cause forcing a best of three will REALLY discourage pluggers then 🙄
@AsukasSlave13 күн бұрын
Takes too long, wouldn't want that.
@sky-oq5mr13 күн бұрын
Enemy dude is lagging > i dont rematch > i am considered bad guy
@johnnymonsterrrr13 күн бұрын
@@sky-oq5mr It takes too long to play the game you’re playing? What? Go play something else then my dude lol.
@RanOutOfSpac13 күн бұрын
@@sky-oq5mr literally every other ranked system in other genres forced you to play a full match. A match in Valorant can be 40 mins but people don't complain cause they understand it's ranked and u should have the ability to come back but in FGs for some reason in ranked we act likeyou can just leave whenever and run gimmicks like it's no biggie. You should have to run the set
@supernicral13 күн бұрын
Losing is part of the fun, because then you can learn. Rank systems add this layer of intensity where people focus solely on the climb and are TERRIFIED of the fall, which is part of growing as a player, and even a person, in any setting. You gotta fail before you fly, but these fighting games with ladders inherently tell players they're bad or it's bad to lose through negative reinforcement and people with Max's mentality become the exception, not the rule, which flies in the face of fighting games as a whole.
@ByrneBaby13 күн бұрын
And if you'd remove the ladders, the people who derive actual thrills and pleasure from putting in the work and watch their rank rise are punished. I really don't know what you can do to square this circle.
@goranisacson250213 күн бұрын
This happens in Casual Matches too
@FireTrainer9213 күн бұрын
wrong. it's part of your fun
@Jake-nh5th13 күн бұрын
Losing isn't fun.
@enterusername465013 күн бұрын
Nah. Ranked ain't practice mode. GTFO😂😂😂
@jinpachichulo756113 күн бұрын
I think a way to solve this is to incentivise people to run the set back rather than just one and doneing, whether that's higher Tekken Prowess awarded for completing a 3 match set or higher reward points for the Battle Pass Missions. I don't know.
@KiddCrowley13 күн бұрын
Abut 100 comments down, and someone finally gets it. It amazes me how little people think
@AsukasSlave13 күн бұрын
That wouldn't do anything!! Those dudes just don't like losing, so they quit...
@lucas-xf7rc13 күн бұрын
@@lucas-xf7rc I dunno I agree that some people who are just sore losers will quit no matter what, but the sting of loss isn't as bad if you keep in the back of your mind that you're getting rewarded with something.
@KiddCrowley13 күн бұрын
@@KiddCrowley I suppose that could help, but I think that this "Boom" of quitters is more about the unwillingness to learn how to be good, rather than it is about the rewards you can get. If a person doesn't want to put in the time to learn how to get decently good at the game, that's fine, since it can be quite time consuming. However, knowing how to take a loss is something that game Devs can't teach...
@lucas-xf7rc13 күн бұрын
@@lucas-xf7rc you take the loss.... not rematching isnt the same as plugging. They just dont want to get destroyed by someone thats lives and breathes the game again for that persons enjoyment.
@michaelcastillo888413 күн бұрын
It was definitely shocking going from Street Fighter 6 where in my 500 hours I've only had 2 people in Ranked that I can remember that quit out before the set was over because they were on the brink of death; then going to Tekken 8 and it happens all the time, and NO ONE rematches.
@dmgeno13 күн бұрын
Crazy, isn’t it?
@RanOutOfSpac13 күн бұрын
It’s because unlike in Tech in street fighter has a system that stops this kind of plugging. It’s called yellow card.
@Dragonborn117813 күн бұрын
@@Dragonborn1178 how is not rematching plugging lol. why should you get forced to play another set where you know you will get stomped and not learn anything.
@flamemon1113 күн бұрын
@@flamemon11I would rather try again and risk getting my ass whooped again. I would rather have the opportunity to learn and adapt
@bryanbridges615213 күн бұрын
yup sums up my experience, i had a dude literally plugging then going on my steam profile to call me racist slurs just cuz i was playing king.. theres so many angry players on tekken ranked actually nuts lol
@ThiagoHaomaru13 күн бұрын
Pluggers are the biggest annoyance ever.
@darryljack661213 күн бұрын
That issue is essentially gone, I never match with high disconnection rate. I haven't been plugged on since they fixed that display since i dont accept people with high disconnection rates. You should move on to the next issue, as this shouldn't be happening anymore.
@AlphaNexusOmega13 күн бұрын
@AlphaNexusOmega It does, alot. I get disconnected on by people with 0-2% rates.
@zuniversal113 күн бұрын
I think if a person feels they can't beat you they have every right to pull the plug on a match I do it all the time. It doesn't hurt anyone.
@enterusername465013 күн бұрын
based pluggers
@Padlock_Steve13 күн бұрын
if you're doing that in Tekken then you're most definitely part of the problem..... @enterusername4650
@ceej726413 күн бұрын
For me it's annoying when people just disconnect mid game, it just ruins the game man (be ready for a challenge if you want to play online and don't ruin the game for other players like me smh)
@James-gj8rn13 күн бұрын
Until the game devs give an S, this will continue to happen.
@AsukasSlave13 күн бұрын
I'm more okay with that than a person who dips regardless if they win or lose, because a rage quit is still a win on your end imo A one and done is a refusal to engage beyond how THEY play, and I respect that less than a person effectively conceding victory to you via plugging A plugger makes me laugh, a dipper makes me question why they're even in rank
@Dasaltwarrior13 күн бұрын
The only time I ever plug in any kind of fighting game if somebody has a shitty connection I don’t mind people if the connection isn’t perfect but when you’re sitting there and you feel like you’re playing in mud and mashing buttons, thinking you’re cool no that’s when I draw the line
@Dragonborn117813 күн бұрын
The disconnects are 50/50 too, i feel like they need to or steam needs to fix those server disconnects
@bigdj2913 күн бұрын
@@Dasaltwarrior What is the rematch setup like in tekken8? I havent actually played it yet so dont have the full context. In my case, I play a lot of gg strive these days, and in that game you can rematch up to two times before it backs out both players to the lobby. For me in strive, I generally rematch those 2 games. But a lot of times after the game sends us back to the lobby, I look for a new opponent instead of fighting the same person. This is because I often treat ranked mode like a tournament scenario, where I don't get a ton of time with the same person and have to adapt quickly. If I want repeated matches Ill go to non-ranked. If the tekken 8 situation that people are describing is like pol dipping after 1 game in strive, then I can see how that'd be annoying.
@proko942813 күн бұрын
Lol I play fighting games to just kick people and survive as long as I can. I can win, lose, or draw. I don't be caring too much if they spam, troll, or pick a "top tier" character. I just enjoy understanding patterns and having fun with the character I like.
@simakida295713 күн бұрын
That's a good mindset. You're playing against random people. People can't expect everybody to have the same attitude toward fighting games.
@omegaweapon11613 күн бұрын
Same. :D
@KMmouse2013 күн бұрын
Man draw is really fun in 8. I had my first draw in ranked playing against very good Nina, she won the first and the second a draw in the final round like three seconds left and then two more games again, damn. Its more impactful in this game for sure
@martinmonroe708213 күн бұрын
This is what wisdom looks like.
@Cyborg.Shinobi13 күн бұрын
Yeah, some people use top tier characters not because they are the strongest. It's because they like that character
@tzchianhuang761413 күн бұрын
Recently I played a match against a Lars and lost. The guy refused the rematch and added me in a group chat called “OWNED” which was full of people he’s one and doned. Every now and then he’ll send a clip to it saying “lol look how I destroyed this guy” and more often than not, it is always the last round with one hit to take it for either side
@jonasranatza13 күн бұрын
Sheesh, now that’s a toxic player! 😬
@christhechilled13 күн бұрын
sounds like 96 percent of the FGC most players are scum and brag about Victories they won underhanded they don't deserve their rank you can tell the difference between a player who actually plays Fighting games as oppose the majority of the community who look up cheats on youtube and then look for broken exploits. basically fighting games have always this large group of fake fighters who claim they are good but when they get pressured like Max mentioned they refused to adapt these players are one trick ponies
@Talesofaweedsmoker13 күн бұрын
I would never play against him again. And ofc if you fought him again and won he wouldn’t mention that
@laningsmith916313 күн бұрын
Take comfort in the big possibility that they get VERY upset if they lose. If they're that toxic when they win, it's probably worse for themselves when they lose. Even if they don't show it, it's probably in their head, the best place for ego deflation.
@raz930513 күн бұрын
That might be the most pathetic thing I've heard lmao.
@Augestein13 күн бұрын
Honestly more like a problem in fighting games in general
@jashybro13 күн бұрын
He mentioned that, but it’s especially bad in Tekken.
@RanOutOfSpac13 күн бұрын
I had no one quit on me in guilty gear and like 10 in total in sf6 (around 130hrs)
@florianfischer559313 күн бұрын
Could never be gbfvr
@kniveskunn13 күн бұрын
Ok so when I comment something like this people condemn me but when this guy does it he gets praised. Wtf is wrong with you people.
@enterusername465013 күн бұрын
Sounding a little entitled @@enterusername4650
@renzuassassin372413 күн бұрын
I feel the exact same way when someone one and dones me. Let me adapt bro, come on.
@cluelesslink1613 күн бұрын
You're probably spamming with an S tier char😂
@AsukasSlave13 күн бұрын
@@AsukasSlaveyou'd probably RQ against a Miguel lol, maybe if you didn't one and done everyone maybe you'd figure out a way to stop their bullshit, but nah you'd rather just get those wins then complain when you lose.
@ItsJustAGuy13 күн бұрын
Nah. You should be ready for everything at all times. You can adapt in other matches. This is part of life. Not everyone is gonna let you "adapt." Take your L and STFU and GTFO.
@jinpachichulo756113 күн бұрын
@@AsukasSlave you know he spammed with Azuzena or Victor and that's why nobody wanted to play him.
@jinpachichulo756113 күн бұрын
I use DK @@AsukasSlave
@cluelesslink1613 күн бұрын
When playing in elite smash, i faced a guy playing as sonic. He would hang around the edge, constantly charging his rolling attacks, and just wait for you to approach. The moment you get hit off stage, he would use his spring to try and gimp your jump and kill you. If he got up by a stock, he would RUN AWAY for the rest of the match, to time you out. Oh, and he would set the timer to the shortest possible. It was infuriating. I happen to get him again a couple matches later, but this time i got up by one stock. So i gave him a taste of hos own medicine and avoided him the whole time. But just before the match ends, he quits...so i dont gain any points...yeah he was blocked after that
@ZGamingGuy13 күн бұрын
Least annoying Sonic player.
@SpankinDaBagel13 күн бұрын
During the Brawl days, I ended up accepting a team match with three people I'd been interacting with online for months; seemed like a good idea at the time. What I didn't expect was that any time my teammate and I were about to win, one of the two others would DC. It's something to DC on strangers you'll never meet, but in friendlies against folks you will generally run into again ? I actually didn't believe it at first, but after the third time in a row, there was little mistaking it. The guy in question was very toxic when he did win, as well. Still confuses me to this day, nobody was spamming or anything either, pretty basic matches all around. Other adjacent story, brought Melee to a party that one time, ended up having to leave for a few hours so I could only play a match against this guy I'd known for a few years before I had to go. Ended up winning, but not by a lot, cool match. Didn't want to boast so I kept it low key, and then left the Gamecube behind until I got back since they had nothing else planned and all. Turns out while I was away, the guy ravaged my controller (see the plastic making the joystick round ? He clawed that shit off, very thoroughly might I add) . A friend later told me he was enraged for a good while because I didn't, and he quoted, "celebrate enough for managing to beat him".
@CyclonSilver13 күн бұрын
The part Max mentioned not wanting to beat up noobs hit ya boy with the offline nostalgia unlock. Bitd would legit rather someone straight stomping me than roll people who were inexperienced. It'd take 2 rounds at the arcade and I'd have to bow out cause I wasnt gonna take their coin or waste mine. And if it was a friend, at the house, who I'd want to have fun, would legitimately give self a handicap (often without mentioning) just to make it close and hype up their play. Then slowly add in stuff, but tell em "Hey you see when I do this? Hit that button there." and then tell em I shouldnt have told them that as I continued to be punished by them. A few even got interested to pursue getting better afterwards and legitimately got good to whip up on me. Know this is mostly a casual perspective but that's 90% of what FGs should feel like for those coming into it. Online makes it a lil less personal now because you're not there next to em, but it's great to have cells of communities that still do that. Not every intention will hit, but who knows, that one casual that does vibe with it might turn out to be the next hardcore FGC bro that pays it forward.
@avlyrr13 күн бұрын
It's really hard as a brand new fighting game player to push through all the bullshit and BM online. I keep training and going in online because I enjoy the learning process, but all the rude players online definitely make it hard. I just hope I can get good enough to go head to head with those who actually want to play the game, not just win, by the time all the bad actors leave.
@A-Spoto13 күн бұрын
This is about to be Tekken seriously.
@perfectlyslicedegg334813 күн бұрын
It's biggest problem is sneaking in microtransactions after reviews went up.
@theotherjared982413 күн бұрын
thats quite possibly the least of tekken 8's problems.
@rpemulis12 күн бұрын
@@rpemulis Bandai Namco's executives agree with you
@cosmosofinfinity11 күн бұрын
This is insignificant
@xer05tar10 күн бұрын
@@cosmosofinfinity i don't care what they agree with, i'm not buying microtransactions. i want the netcode to not be ass, i want to be able to play more than 5 minutes at a time before having to requeue and filter through 8 wifi matches before getting a hardwired.
@rpemulis10 күн бұрын
One thing that gets to me is when my opponent beats me, rematches me, then quits if I beat them, effectively leaving the set 1-1 Honestly grinds my gears more than a one and done
@benjaminspanklin166213 күн бұрын
Lmao na for real tho, I hate that shit as well!! Like why be a sore fucking loser!!
@azurviper51312 күн бұрын
So glad I’m not the only one annoyed by that
@KAIsibs11 күн бұрын
Pluggers situation get worse as the higher ranks you go (Currently at about Kishin). I thought that as you climb higher people would be more incline to play the game honestly (not plugging and following through with the best 2 out of 3). I also want to call out the Tekken 8 ranking system kind of encourage people to not follow through with the 2 out of 3 matches more at the higher ranks because they made the rank point gain system in a way that you need to be on a win streak to rank up in the higher ranks. So if someone wins/lose a close match, it does make sense to not gamble on a close match, but rather so find someone to stomp on just to get the win streak just to be able to climb.
@PhouthasakDouanglee13 күн бұрын
The problem with Tek8's rank mechanic is it's been completely scrubified. 9/10 fights I have with red and purple ranks don't have them use more than a single juggle all match, they just abuse overtuned character BS they saw on KZhead and they're able to climb into high ranks with ease. It's a joke when compared to previous Tekkens.
@ricoanderson662613 күн бұрын
seeing players with God of Destruction ranks with 30 defense rating because they did what you said is what makes ranking up in this game not feel satisfying at all.
@BEDCORN13 күн бұрын
Yup. I met my first pluggers in red ranks. Seeing more and more 1 and dones too.
@TheSnycher13 күн бұрын
Your first mistake was assuming players at high ranks are actually skilled and honest. Tekken 8 was made to carry braindead morons. I'm currently Kishin with Jin and it's *rare* when you fight someone who isn't overly dependent on heat/RAs and actually puts thought into the match. Rank is basically a facade in this game.
@Beforezzz11 күн бұрын
I've ran into so many one & done players on T8 recently. It only seemed to ramp up when Eddy Gordo got added. You'll run into players spamming his strings, and once you figure them out, they'll leave after you beat them.
@ShaunInce12313 күн бұрын
Good? Did you want to fight another masher exploiting a knowledge gap stomping scrubs? Let em go
@user-by6eb6zo7g13 күн бұрын
Uh, obviously. What's the benefit of playing again if you think you will lose? Blame the system, not the player
@AsukasSlave13 күн бұрын
It sucks, because Tekken takes longer to learn and adapt over a set than other fighting games in my experience, so for it to have the most toxic culture of a JP fighting game hamstrings it quite a bit I feel Like I've had cheaters, 1 and dones, and rage quits in SF6, but I learn so much quicker, AND get matches quicker that it doesn't matter
@Dasaltwarrior13 күн бұрын
@@AsukasSlavegetting better so you won't lose when they figure the 2 strings you know? Lmao
@nararanaraiii202213 күн бұрын
@@AsukasSlaveGit gud
@DaddysFlipside12 күн бұрын
Yes yes and yes. They seriously need to follow the MK 1 Quitality method. Plugging with no consequence is why ppl don’t bother continue playing online
@NicoMambino13 күн бұрын
Also gives the plugger a loss, which is what I think needs to happen if you quit mid match regardless
@chrisartis958513 күн бұрын
not even necessarily talkign about pluggers... just talking about people who play 1 or 2 or 3 close matches then just quit.... It's the most frustrating thing I've ever run into... I love tekken... but I stopped playing it years ago because of this. For instance, in tekken 7 there were like 50 or more characters which means there was FIVE THOUSAND MOVES..... how can you learn match ups and get better at the game in a game with 5000 moves when people leave after 2 close matches... it's fuckin ridiculous and unplayable.... I won't even buy tekken 8 because of this reason and I actually want to play it! But I just can't with this community, I simply can't.
@upplsuckimcool168 күн бұрын
@@upplsuckimcool16 by grinding single mode, that's what it's for.
@admontblanc4 күн бұрын
@@admontblanc that won't help with playing against real people... Going in the lab and labbing everything sure... but that's impossibly boring especially with that many characters and moves.
@upplsuckimcool164 күн бұрын
People are obsessed with winning in Tekken or fighting games in general, because that's the only progression they see. Sure you unlock fight money for costumes, but there aren't that many items in the game so you do it pretty quick and the battle pass sucks. Fighting games really need to take a page from CoD. A lot of ppl don't care whether they win or lose, they just want to unlock camos. Fighting games need a camo like grind or just other modes besides ranked and casual. So even if a casual isn't winning they can't have fun and feel like they are progressing in some way while playing.
@DaPhenomAce13 күн бұрын
For all fighting game for sure BUT ESPECIALLY in Tekken , I'm feeling the one and done more on this game after adapting to the match up
@XxmaroixX13 күн бұрын
You had the Conqueror mode in Tekken 5 that was exactly for that. Each character that you played in that mode would rank up like in an online ladder mode, and each level unlocked customization for that specific character. It was a pretty fun way to learn each character too since it would get actually rough at the last levels.
@admontblanc4 күн бұрын
I got my fun out of Tekken 8. Great gameplay, but after awhile the over-tuned top tier characters/moves and a complete lack of a system to handle quitting just burns me out on the experience. I'd still rate it highly as I got plenty of hours out of it, just being honest with why I stopped. Went back to Street Figher 6 and enjoying it greatly again.
@thepunisherxxx680413 күн бұрын
Yeah, that’s pretty much what most pro players are saying as well dude there’s so much mashing online as someone who is an average player not a super pro in Tekken seven the mashing in the new game is crazy the older games I could play strategic and tech and eight I feel like I’m dealing with some child pressing buttons or playing on casual mode or just throwing out random things and random rage moves
@Dragonborn117813 күн бұрын
@@Dragonborn1178 I don't mind players mashing. But I don't like I am essentially doing 50/50 casino when I am backed against a wall or corner. It's particularly egregarious especially against characters like Dragunov, Eddy, King, etc.
@arvinsim13 күн бұрын
Agreed 100% I have also dropped the game because the online experience is very poor and it’s all the communities fault.
@imraw1713 күн бұрын
Nice
@LEWfromdaHOU13 күн бұрын
Namco needs to have 2 options: 1 fight or the best of 3. If the player rage quits it counts as a loss.
@firestorm157913 күн бұрын
best of 3 is just as dumb as 1 fight lol... oh boy... A WHOLE OTHER MATCH..... that changes EVERYTHING! smh. Ranked should be FT10 if you ask me if you lose 5/0 then you can leave if you want. If you're in ranked... and you quit after 2 wins, or like 1 loss and 2 wins.... and you play like this.... and leave after 2 losses....... then your rank is simply fraudulent. Your rank just does not represent your skill level..... It's inarguable. It's 2+2=4. If someone who played like this sat down for a 5 hour session, and hit nothing but rematch unless they lost 5/0 (or 10 games in a row if they won at all) they would lose no less than 5 ranks before that 5 hour session ended. They would be bumped down to whatever rank represented their skill.....
@upplsuckimcool168 күн бұрын
Remember when playing games was mostly more about having fun? Sadly, fun has left the building.
@VBrancoPT13 күн бұрын
And this is why I NEVER play online as a whole, especially with fighting games. I am perfectly fine playing against an actual friend IRL or CPU. The toxicity of the online community is absolutely disgusting.
@galaxy_kitten9512 күн бұрын
@@shatteredteethofgod Honestly? I'd just go with the flow. My own flow, that is. I'm casual as casual can be, so better not expect too much of a fight against me. lol
@VBrancoPT11 күн бұрын
I get being pissed when if ppl do a 1 and done on ranked. Its proper form to give them the rematch. Here's the thing though. Once you get to the blue levels, if you lose 3 ranked games in a row you lose 1k points on the 3rd game no matter the rank. Even below blue there's the fact that you lose the same amount of points to people ranked above you, and lose fewer points if you lose to ppl ranked below you. The biggest reason I'll skip rematches isn't even the opponent, its the stages. If I'm playing Kazuya, my big damage relies entirely on there being a wall. So if I get colloseum or whatever the tree place is, I don't get the wall. I don't have combos to get them close enough to the wall, so I gotta compromise by going for reset setups which I have very few of. And this gets even more infuriating when you're up against Dragunov or Lee who can just carry you to just shy of the wall from center stage off of their combos. In short, if I replay on those stages I am effectively handicapping myself. A lot of ppl in here talk about how you should just rematch to learn... but this ranking system doesn't encourage that.
@joetarokujo296010 күн бұрын
omg THANK YOU for mentioning Smash, because i literally got hella burned out last night for the same exact shit and decided to take a break for a good while. If I had any local scenes and enough time in my life I would gladly ditch the online, but i have no other options. I'll stick to T8 for the time being, since at least I can practice every now and then.
@HaxHaunter13 күн бұрын
To be honest, I totally don't care if people quit after they win the 1st match... It's their choice and I do respect it. The game also allows it. It's not like we have to wait a long time (like in T7) to find another match. Hovewer rage quitters are totally annoying and deserve to loose the points and be banned if they repeat it.
@ogamitaicho7713 күн бұрын
Can’t believe there’s people in the comments pretty much saying they’re entitled to a rematch. I get that it’s annoying when people don’t want to rematch but people have other things to do too.
@basedmarlon13 күн бұрын
@@basedmarlon nobody is entitled. But how is it that "people have other things to do too". As if they aren't immediately re-queueing. What a lousy defense.
@martijn297313 күн бұрын
Facts. Ban the godamn pluggers. I've stopped playing because of this issue. One and done aren't shit. Pluggers have literally ruined the experience. It's sucks.
@KamiKoroshi_13 күн бұрын
@@martijn2973tbh it doesn't even matter what they're doing, if they don't want a play a person for whatever reason they don't have to, sure they're pussies or whatever but who cares?
@aledantih652413 күн бұрын
For casual, ya who cares if you leave after one match. We are playing damn ranked here, so your ass should be ready to play the set. We are playing for silly rank points, and I want my silly rank points. Imo, points should only be given to the person who wins the set, not a round. And I dont give a fuck if you have something to do in five minutes so you dont want to be forced to play a set. Simply dont play ranked. If you chose to play ranked matched, YOU ARE GOING TO PLAY THE SET FOR YOUR POINTS! And that is how it should have been, but oh well, the player’s pizza might burn or something. We cant have such a thing
@DiegoJimenez-mx4bk13 күн бұрын
The most casual games being Tekken, MK and Smash having the most one-and-dones, or BM in general, makes sense. Many casuals have the wrong mindset and hop online to get a quick dopamine rush like in many other genres. And in those it's mostly defined by "winning". Having a healthy, competitive relationship with FGs requires a different one though which is finding the fun in the little things you manage to do in a match and discover new things about your character. But those tend to get overshadowed when you only look at the bigger goal of winning.
@Nyagro13 күн бұрын
cause I'm bad at everything no matter how much time I put into it, so when I lose all the time it makes me want to end myself.
@TheOnionKnight113 күн бұрын
Yeah, even SF6 had this issue on release when the casuals jumped into ranked after world tour. I hope it will go away soon. Probably around mid summer we will have to core Tekken fanbase that’s not mentally weak to seeing “you lose”
@arpadszabo66113 күн бұрын
Worth Noting that if the person one and doning is a casual (and it is not always) , this isn't necessarily because of the L. Many casuals just aren't aware that there is a such etiquette in the FGC and just want to fight a bunch of different people. I didn't think about it myself before I started watching FG videos (thankfully I don't really play online anyway, so I didn't cause too much trouble) , and when I told a friend playing SF6 online that he should rematch, he just went "hey, that makes sense, never thought about it" and started rematching. In fact, it's especially likely if they don't particularly care about the L, they don't really care to find out who is the truly without a doubt the best between them and the random person they're fighting online. Guess the best thing to do is to get the information out there in a way that it will be seen by the most people.
@emperormegaman385613 күн бұрын
It's the 1v1 factor. In team based PVP or PVE games, you can have a bad match and still get carried by your team to a W, or vice-versa. It could be you picking up the slack from your teammates. In fighting games, it's always personal.
@mappybc609713 күн бұрын
This is just andecdotal, but as a casual player idk if I agree that's the source. I've played a lot of Guilty Gear: Strive, which as far as I know has a pretty big casual audience, and people will ALWAYS rematch until the end, a lot of the time even coming back for extras after they lost. The only exception being if it was super uneven, but even then often they will come back for an ass kicking. Now part of the reason is probably that the ranking system is less punishing (until you get to max rank), but I'll get so many one-and-dones after THEY WON, even if it wasn't a super close match. As for other BM like teabagging and shit talking, it happens but is still very rare, much rarer than in Tekken 8.
@UnpronounceabIeName13 күн бұрын
if i lose to a certain flow chart, after the best of 3, i lab it immediately in training mode or watch the replay to figure it out if its unsafe or when to duck or crouch etc.
@BabyBoyJr.12 күн бұрын
Yes! As a Xiaoyu player (Eightykakes, XBOX), I feel I have to naturally adapt on the fly anyway. So when people quit that second match, I feel robbed of an opportunity to see if my adaptation skills are adequate. It’s no salt, just frustrating. “Oh, I didn’t enforce XYZ and they mixed me with this but I know what I need to do and… oh, they quit”. 😐
@RobocopReturns13 күн бұрын
One issue I have with a “jail” matchmaking is that on the one map Fallen Destiny (or whatever it is called, the one in the middle of a storm at the ocean) I consistently get a fatal UE error that kills the game that I’ve tried so many fixes for and none work. Like quitting sucks but I don’t think there is a way to differentiate someone closing the game and it crashing so people could get the “bad apple” matchmaking through no fault of their own. It’s honestly the main reason I personally wasn’t playing much outside of player matches with friends cause I don’t want to start loading into a match and see that it is basically on a timer cause the random map we got is going to inevitably crash my game. I’m pretty sure it is an AMD issue but I don’t know and since the last time I played it wasn’t fixed.
@nathaniel716513 күн бұрын
AMD user here, and I have had absolutely no issues with the game or it crashing on me. This might sound harsh, but if a "jail" exists it exists to isolate the problematic players, then anyone should be included if they're crashing or disconnecting that much in ranked. Hope the problem gets sorted for you with a patch soon, tho.
@MrInsiipid13 күн бұрын
I've stopped playing Tekken 8 now, but I experienced it on my Intel CPU and NVIDIA GPU setup.
@RobertT199913 күн бұрын
Try adding "-sm5" to the game's launch options. Didn't crash on Fallen Destiny for some time. Card AMD 6900xt.
@DeviloooCry13 күн бұрын
@@DeviloooCry I’ll definitely try that, thanks for the advice
@nathaniel716512 күн бұрын
I don't think he's talking necessarily about pluggers... he's talking about people just quitting after 1 or 2 games. If I get a straight disconnect I can't really be angry because there are so many reasons that could happen other than plugging..... However, when I'm in a match and they win the first, then I win the second in a very close great game... then they just scroll down to "next opponent" or "quit" or w.e it is..... there is nothing fuckin worse to deal with in a fighting game.
@upplsuckimcool168 күн бұрын
Generally, I think the best way to fight this problem is to simply allow players to see their opponents name, character, connection, and disconnect percentage and then let them decide if they want to play. Super simple, allows people to dodge characters they would DC against, allows everyone to see the rage quitters and avoid them, everyone's happy. Smash has the absolute worst online community. It wasn't always so bad, Smash 4 was good, but when Ultimate came out with the point system, just ruined everything. Almost everyone in Ultimate is a campy, rage quitting one and doner, its hilariously sad. Really makes me think the only thing that works for Smash players is hiding your ELO/rank whatever.
@GawainSSB13 күн бұрын
Take out seeing the character, and this is a good idea. People shouldn’t be punished for picking a character. Strong or not. That’s something that’s just in the game and you the player have to adapt to it until they change it.
@RanOutOfSpac13 күн бұрын
@RanOutOfSpac I used to think that, but now I think it's a good compromise. I saw it work in Guilty Gear Strive, that's what changed my opinion. Ultimately, people not wanting to play with certain characters is a non issue, because if they hate them that much, then they are very likely to rage quit on them anyways. It saves time to simply allow dodging.
@GawainSSB13 күн бұрын
@@GawainSSB Good points. I still don’t like the idea, but can’t argue with that.
@RanOutOfSpac13 күн бұрын
They should add a No-rematch rate next to the disconnect rate
@brk01913 күн бұрын
Or maybe they should just make the game better 😂
@AsukasSlave13 күн бұрын
@AsukasSlave whether the game is good or not, tekken 8 is very popular so there are people that will always plug or one and done
@nerooyeye219613 күн бұрын
What I find more annoying then one and done is if they don't rematch after the 2nd match. Especially if you lost the 2nd match. @@AsukasSlave
@brk01913 күн бұрын
Not everyone one and dones because they lost. Some ppl (like myself) will not rematch if the connection is wonky. It may say 5 bars when you accept, but then the connection begins dropping terribly or maybe they're glitching the game to drop the framerates (there's an exploit on this) or something of that nature. So I personally don't think that would be a good stat to measure whether you want to fight the next person or not 🙂
@FinalDestiny2213 күн бұрын
Or add a ft2 queue for ranked
@guccislides206713 күн бұрын
The problem with locking someone in a first to 3 is that sometimes people have shit to do. I’ve had great matches that I couldn’t continue because something came up. I shouldn’t be penalized for that, because my only recourse in that situation would be to turn my console off instead of ending the match cleanly.
@ricardorichards438213 күн бұрын
Terrible justification. If you have to leave mid set, leave with your game still going. Shit happens, you lose a couple points. Or quit out. If it’s once in awhile you won’t be penalized. Go the extra mile by messaging your opponent when you have a chance. But if you’re consistently too busy to AT MOST have 9 minutes of your time taken (3 rounds, 60 seconds each, best two of three) then another solution for you, don’t play ranked. Your life’s schedule isn’t important enough to ruin ranked for everyone else my dude.
@RanOutOfSpac13 күн бұрын
@@RanOutOfSpac Holy shit go outside this is some extremely deluded thinking. People have lives
@user-by6eb6zo7g13 күн бұрын
@@user-by6eb6zo7g Then go live it. I want to play Tekken.
@RanOutOfSpac13 күн бұрын
@@user-by6eb6zo7g Couldn’t agree more.
@ricardorichards438213 күн бұрын
@@user-by6eb6zo7g I partly agree. Shit comes up. But maybe you shouldn't be playing games if you're that pressed for time.
@EvanSaltare13 күн бұрын
Basically hes explaining the mindset of the modern age gamer.. only interested in 'stunting' on people and pretending to be 'da best' they arent actually interested in becoming amazing , its all about how quick can u look like u own people .. and if they dont get that from any experience they will quit quicker than how quick their attention span is. Honestly it just makes me want to go offline and just play classic games for the rest of my life
@bruceMooseman11 күн бұрын
It's why everytime I can send a msg with my matchmaking stuff in games it's "I hope we can both improve!" I don't really care as much about who wins or lose, I wanna try to do cool shit with my character and show off what I've learned - and sometimes get absolutely bodied by someone who also is showing off what they learned.
@esseubo4419 күн бұрын
I remember when the game first dropped everyone was playing full sets. Even got friend requests from having good fights. Now its like a rare thing to play the full set in either quick match or ranked.
@Staylor861112 күн бұрын
100% Feel the exact same way! They need to do a 5 round test run. 5 rounds offers enough time to adapt and mount comebacks. I also believe it will slow down the matches. Cause who wants to be down 3-1 or 4-0. Plus those comebacks would be epic to experience.
@damagecontrol607913 күн бұрын
since its hard to decermine who quit, they should do something similar to the behaviour score from dota2. you start with a perfect score of 100%. every time a disconnect happens, both players loose points, every game that is played in full recopers your score a bit. the matchmaking system tries to match people with similar behavior scores. people that occasionally face quitters recover their scores, while the quiters score sinks further. it should be a bit more finegrained than that explanation, but thats the gist of it.
@kerb755513 күн бұрын
he's tlaking about people who play one match then click next opponent instead of rematch.... plugging is different... when someone disconnect you can't really know if they did it on purpose... Max is talking about people who play 1 or 2 games then quit because they know they can't use their shitting gimmicks and your lack of character knowledge against you if they keep rematching.... When I play someone who is obviously not a good player, and they beat me in the first game because they use one of the 1000's of gimmicks in tekken that anyone who isn't a 10 year legacy player won't recognize and figure out right away, then play again and win again in a very close match... they will quit because they know that if they keep playing they'll never win another game if they rematched 500 times.
@upplsuckimcool168 күн бұрын
I agree There also seems to be an issue where your disconnection rate goes up when people plug on you too 😩
@shindig900013 күн бұрын
All this rank problem is frustrating to me. Not just because I want more opportunities to learn not just character match ups and individual playstyles, but because I know those that are chasing points are trading short term gains for long term losses. Sure, they'll rank up quickly now... but let them get high enough to fight people that know what they're doing. If they're not going to take the time to learn the game as they rank up, I doubt they'll do it when they plateau. So it creates a frustrating online experience. I feel like I'm waiting for the rank chasers to quit playing, as they probably will long term.
@thesasoriphoenix13 күн бұрын
IDK how these people look at their rank and feel any sense of accomplishment AT ALL.... people who do this have fraudulent ranks..... If they were to sit for 5 hours without quitting at all in ranked they'd lose 5 ranks within 3 hours and completely end the experiment and break their controller.... punks...... It's why I quit playing tekken... a game that has 5000+ different moves in which you have to know when the string ends... if it's negative 11 or negative13 to punish correctly, or if it ends in a high that you can duck.... having people quit after 1 or 2 matches just makes the game unplayable... ACTUALLY unplayable.. I love tekken... I think it's fun... I want to get better at it... but I haven't even bought tekken 8 because of this issue.... I won't do it to myself...
@upplsuckimcool168 күн бұрын
Didn't Harada say something recently about how todays generation of players don't have the competitive spirit that older generations had. This could be just how todays youth be.
@thuongn8513 күн бұрын
And his generation doesn't have the love and compassion for video games they once did. They try to milk us with all these battle passes and microtransaction
@sky-oq5mr13 күн бұрын
It's not the kids who are plugging me and sending me death threats tbh, it's mostly adults who can't handle their own shit.
@MrInsiipid13 күн бұрын
No the fuck it isn't it's the new games letting it happen
@redninja305613 күн бұрын
@sky-oq5mr and it works Just like with dlc 10 years ago We spoke with our wallets....and we paid for it People now accept dlc as the norm.look at the amount of reaction hype big and small channels do for new characters
@Brandonweifu13 күн бұрын
@MrInsiipid right?? I have encountered online more millenials my age who sound unhinged AF then younger people
@Brandonweifu13 күн бұрын
I totally agree. With tekken 8 making it so that you can only do a ft2 it makes it all the more frustrating when people win/lose quit on you. It makes sense to force a ft2 but then if there is lag detected to a significant level the players should be able to back out obviously. It’s all such a tricky thing to figure out
@NextGenBluePro13 күн бұрын
I fully agree. This game makes me rage like no other. I learn almost nothing getting gimmicked every game with no rematch when I finally win 1. I also love the idea of best 2 out of 3 instead of 1 win and an option to leave
@PervySage72313 күн бұрын
its hard to learn match ups
@JoeMurray513 күн бұрын
I honestly noticed that the higher ranks I went up in Tekken, I found myself stuck with single matches with no rematches or people using the "no contest" system during the first match if things don't go their way. It definitely has been a pain to play especially when I want to get better.
@georgebaumgardner824213 күн бұрын
that's because those scrubs don't belong that high up in the ranks, their rank is completely fraudulent.... How they can look at their rank with any pride AT ALL is beyond my capacity to understand. 1 match punks... 2 match punks..... just simply punks.
@upplsuckimcool168 күн бұрын
At the GSP I sat at in Smash I had very few issues, didn't play a whole lot online because the whole experience does need some work, but it really doesn't differ from any other game in terms of the BM and general attitude of players. If anything Tekken 8 has been 100x worse than my Smash experience
@RyanBedecki13 күн бұрын
I super appreciate you saying that people with bad connections dont need to be put in plugger jail. Im rural and have the best internet that is available for my area. When tekken 8 came out i kept having issues with disconnect and just had to stop playing out of fear of being lumped in with rage quitters. While my connection is now more stable i have an issue where the game wont let me rematch around when i get to warrior rank. It just completely kicks me out of online after the error code.
@krazykombatant13 күн бұрын
YES. People rarely want to rematch and it's like, why the fuck are you playing this game then??
@kyleannen73112 күн бұрын
I quit the first match if I vs eddy😭 eddy is crazy to vs
@Seiya_The_Samurai13 күн бұрын
Win or lose, eddy don't get a rematch
@Shoto_Mist13 күн бұрын
I feel that this game, like many other games that have ranked, have people so beholden to their position that of they would do anything to mitigate loss. I agree that there should be more stringent rules to abide by in rank to differentiate from casual matchmaking.
@wittykenny268013 күн бұрын
Self dignity/respect should regulate this.... It's actually sad that it doesn't. How these people can rise through the ranks to like.. say red rank... and think their skill actually represents a red rank skill..... If they were to play in ranked for 5 hours and be forced to never quit..... even putting a cap at a 0/10 loss THEN you can quit... even capping the shutout loss like that if they played one 5 hour session like this they would IMMEDIATELY lose at LEAST 5 ranks..... And if they did... that would represent their ACTUAL rank.... How people don't understand this is beyond me.... Their rank is a fuckin fraud yet they quit after a close game not to lose their fraudulent rank... How can anyone be that person.... It's cringy AF
@upplsuckimcool168 күн бұрын
I've always been a fighting game fan. I've just never knew where to find all the intricate data, or which combos to connect to others for longer strings ( I remember doing a bunch of googling at one point to just find mismatched information and gave up). So i'm just in this cycle of buying my favorites and letting them rust haha 😅
@CreamCheeseTho13 күн бұрын
Rage quitting mid fight I’m 100% against and it should be met with harsh punishment. However, while frustrating, I don’t feel that people owe me a rematch. Everyone’s got a life, you never know what’s going on in the real world.
@joelmulligan821313 күн бұрын
We love to see Reina on the thumbnail 😤
@speedforce772213 күн бұрын
Queen of the Iron Fist
@powerrangerrick467512 күн бұрын
@@powerrangerrick4675 YESSSIRRRRRR!!!!
@speedforce772212 күн бұрын
I have been really lucky, it seems: Most matches I have either rematch until the max, or end without rematch because we didnt have fun (the character was boring/upsetting to fight), no bm stuff
@MaybeThatGuy13 күн бұрын
On the VS screen before the match starts, both players lose two sets worth of losing points. As points after winning are worth more, if you win two matches you're up, if you win one but lose two you're also where you should be. If you win one and back out you're still down, the person that stayed then gets their pot for the next set back so they are not penalised. Also, when entering Ranked you have to select One and Done, or First to Two. If you select One and Done your rank climbs at 1/3 the speed of First to Two, or they are two seperate leader boards. This could be implemented into any fighting game. Thoughts?
@lloydellison123113 күн бұрын
Over complicated
@LEWfromdaHOU13 күн бұрын
Both SF4 and later SF5 were massively successful with casual gamers. SF3 was the only Street Fighter game with a near exclusively hardcore playerbase
@lukejones716413 күн бұрын
Sf5 was not popular and niether was 4. Capcom straight up said those games almost put it out of business until monster hunter world came out and saved em
@sky-oq5mr13 күн бұрын
@@sky-oq5mr You're clearly making stuff up. SF4 sold over 10 million copies (all 4 versions added together) and single handedly made fighting games mainstream again, and SF5 sold over 7 million copies by the end of 2022 despite being a flop from 2016 to early 2018.
@lukejones716413 күн бұрын
@@lukejones7164 stop making up stuff buddy. Sale numbers alone are completely irrelevant in fighting games. Sale numbers can get boosted by a successful franchise’s title like DBFZ, which also sold more than 10 million and then there were like 2 full lobbies (128 people) in every region after a few months. Calling SF5 a massive success with any kind of gamers is a huge reach in itself.
@ErmiGultro13 күн бұрын
@@ErmiGultro You are clearly in denial 🤣. Sale numbers ALWAYS matter in video games since they are the biggest sources for revenue in games besides post launch content. Capcom themselves acknowledged SF5 as a success in 2020, get real
@lukejones716413 күн бұрын
@@sky-oq5mr lol what? SF4 revived the FGC
@SubliminaIMessages13 күн бұрын
I share in your frustrations Max. I don't give a shit anymore about playing T8 online. It's gotten too toxic. I've hit my platinum trophy which is the only reason i was trying to play ranked and the other modes in the first place just to chase my trophies, The pluggers and abuse you get from players just turned me off playing online. People whingeing about Eddy, whingeing about people refusing to give you a rematch, just whingeing about all sorts of shit.... it hasn't turned me off the game but it has turned me off playing online, I love T8 dearly I think bandai did a terrific job on it. but I won't play it online anymore. I just play Player vs. CPU now. At least the CPU won't plug on you and doesn't carry on like a baby if it loses... and playing the ghost AI is basically like playing a human anyway as it's essentially mimmicking your play style =)
@FoxHound-ch1yy13 күн бұрын
I’m surprised people aren’t just doing this (playing solely the offline modes) to begin with. 😏 I never play online strictly because of crap like this. I personally don’t have the patience to deal with rage quitters. The whole point of Tekken (if not all fighting games for that matter) is to learn and adapt. I’ve always played against the CPU or a friend IRL. You can still have maximum enjoyment without participating in online ranking, unless you’re doing so for the achievements.
@galaxy_kitten9512 күн бұрын
As the noob being stomped, this is why I want surrender buttons in fighting games. I will not rage quit, but if I'm completely outclassed, I don't want to wait to look for a fellow noob I might stand a chance against.
@ShadowStarkiller10 күн бұрын
then keep rematching, it's the only way to get better. I won't play tekken anymore because of the reason max is talking about... I stopped playing a few years ago because of this exact reason. But I AM playing MK1 now, and I'm playing people online who aren't great so I bug my friend every day to play because he can fuckin absolutely MOP ME 100-0 ATM..... but if I keep playing him he'll only mop me 100-10 and barely anyone else who plays his character would even have a fuckin chance against me. If ur being stomped then figure out why... adapt... Look for what ur getting hit by... then wait for them to do it again and try something you think might beat it.... and if that doesn't work... try something else until you find the answer... Once you do find the answer though, they'll just quit on you. 😅
@upplsuckimcool168 күн бұрын
I don't do this anymore but whenI started playing Tekken 8 i had never played a fighting game online before and didn't realize this was bad manners. I one and doned because my wrist was absolutely fucked after a single match until I swapped controllers.
@thejobbernowl13 күн бұрын
Thank you for bringing this up Max because I literally was in another KZhead video comment section saying the same thing about why even play a fighting game if you were going to have a poor Sportman mentality and then be entitled about saying that you do not owe another person to rematch and how are you supposed to learn to get better if you were avoiding the characters that you hate to fight so much.
@Tsuppanova13 күн бұрын
This happened heavily for me in MK1 too
@jaealxndr13 күн бұрын
Always re-match unless is super bad conexion, I personally don't even touch buttons after the round is over even mid combo I get the round, I just hold the controller and press nothing.
@Allen_Rowe13 күн бұрын
it also makes ranking up excruciatingly painful, because people kept on 1 and doning me to get from tenryu to Mighty Ruler it took me 5 hours. Just because I would have to go back to waiting for more matches and not get bonus points for winning a set.
@packultraknight13 күн бұрын
Apologies for not being professional at fighting games. Not everyone who plays fighting games are in it competitive. also 6:00 is not true at all. I bought the game just to play the story mode and to not play Tekken 8 online. I enjoy it for the content and not competitive.
@rayjohnson86313 күн бұрын
Then don’t play ranked. Aka competitive mode. That’s what player/casual matches are for.
@RanOutOfSpac13 күн бұрын
@@RanOutOfSpac My point is I play the game offline period. I never buy fighting games for online play. Max is putting all casuals in one group that play online to not get better when most just play it to have fun and not to play it in some competitive way.
@rayjohnson86313 күн бұрын
@@RanOutOfSpacyou often fight way better players than you in casual matches imo. I avoid casual matches like the plague. I’m not a plugger just throwing that perspective
@aootypooty994013 күн бұрын
Its not even about playing competatively. Its mostly about manners. If you win but 1 and done thats just rude. If you lose but 1 and done i think you should try again but i wont blame you. If you quit out mid match is where the problems lie.
@thekidunknown9713 күн бұрын
@@rayjohnson863 He didn’t group all the casuals. He was just talking about the casuals that do play online. He also mentioned that the content that T8 has is what attracted the casuals in the first place.
@RanOutOfSpac13 күн бұрын
Instead of actually helpful updates that address issues, we need more monetization and Bamco taking down mods. Current Tekken 8 is genuinely frustrating.
@yoshimallow_512113 күн бұрын
It's so interesting to hear this point of view. If you are new to tekken ranked just know that this has been the standard ranked experienced since Tekken 6. In Max is right this is also extremely rare in other fighting games especially to this degree. 1 outlier would be the Tekken 7 unlimited rematch which really made Tekken ranks bearable in 7 where you could find a great match up somebody close in skill and play against them for as long as they wanted to play you which usually could be 2 to 3 hours. I'm not surprised I hate to say it but this is not new this is actually something I would be shocked if it didn't exist in Tekken ranked.
@reedm761913 күн бұрын
Totally agree in the statements made in this video! Great points. I have even resorted to turning off cross play (I play on ps5) because even if people have good connection, it is a 50 - 50 if the person has a computer to even run the game properly and it makes the match unplayable. Being locked to 2 out of 3 in ranked is a no brainer if you ask me! As it stands ranked is just quick match with points.
@magnusgundersen277913 күн бұрын
If you believe it's the same as quick play with points, then it should play like quick play with points. And in quick play, Why would we ever be locked into the set? If they don't wanna continue, keep it pushing and go to your next match. It's not like people are waiting for 5-10 minutes per match.
@ibreakyou713413 күн бұрын
Being locked in a 2 out of 3 works...until you're forced to play a set with shitty connection. That's just not fuckin fun for anyone.
@zuniversal113 күн бұрын
@zuniversal1 or until you're forced to fight someone that just dropped the controller because they don't wanna play anymore. It says more about you if you'd rather deal with that then 20 - 30 sec of queue time to get another match.
@ibreakyou713413 күн бұрын
@ibreakyou7134 Tbf it's definitely not 20-30 seconds. I stopped playing online partially because it took 5 minutes to find a damn game. Then the opponent plugged. 🙃
@zuniversal113 күн бұрын
@@zuniversal1 I generally play overnight due to my work schedule and do not have long waits for matches, might be a you problem. And no one is defending rage quitters. Ban their asses.
@ibreakyou713413 күн бұрын
my BIGGEST Problem is the crashing, Fallen Destiny & Into the Stratosphere ALWAYS crash mid match (PC), and before the dumb comments, YES, MY MACHINE CAN RUN THE GAME JUST FINE, 2k maxed out solid 60FPS, but those f***ng stages crash guaranteed
@Radec_G13 күн бұрын
The only time I dont rematch is when the opponent is just trying to troll me and not actually play the game, or if the connection is just unplayable of course, if someone doesnt rematch after losing I just mutter "coward" and move on lol
@Section8dc13 күн бұрын
Mortal Kombat Quitalities are the BEST answer to Ragequitting. Not winning anything because you finally adapted to the teabagger who ragequit while funny is still bad. You should always be rewarded for literally staying in the game. It just sucks that the engine sometimes can't tell who ragequit if both sides have bad wifi and that goes for a lot of games.
@RaheemRollair13 күн бұрын
It do tells and after a match it says this persons left the game (well who every name it is)
@coreyharris699813 күн бұрын
The fact that you mentioned this coming from me who's a blue rank playing with other (some undeserving) people who's gotten a blue rank or higher with the reality of my game existing of one-n-doners is actually sad. Like I can't comprehend why everyone can be this scummy online while I'm on the other end even if I lose or knowingly play a losing matchup or against a better player but want an opportunity to learn while other people are the polar opposite and brag about their ranks.
@Swoofty13 күн бұрын
Im SOO glad you posted this video. Ive played Tekken 7 since S3 and tekken casually for years. Lack of rematching just because i won or came close to winning makes me want to cry.
@solarbear2613 күн бұрын
Go ahead and cry then. Blame the game, not the player
@AsukasSlave13 күн бұрын
@@AsukasSlave game ain't forcing you to take your ball and go home homie, that's your choice because you're a poor sport lol.
@ItsJustAGuy13 күн бұрын
@@AsukasSlavedude you're such a scrub, going around defending that cuz muh wins as if u got anything lmao
@nararanaraiii202213 күн бұрын
you get more points if you don't rematch plus it's a bit quicker. my thing is why do I HAVE to rematch? What if I feel you had a super annoying playstyle? why should I continue to play against a lei who just attacks then lays down then low attacks then gets you into a string? I'm THROUGH playing people like that. Why should I play you again if you keep ki charging,taunting,spamming parries,and backtracking only to attack as soon as I take one micro step forward? that shit is ANNOYING. When I beat players like that I leave. On purpose. To piss them off for playing like stone cold bitches. I would NEVER give a Leroy a rematch. why should I give ANY azucena player a rematch? they just gonna spam harder now. NOPE. go spam somebody else.
@suntansuperman59813 күн бұрын
@@suntansuperman598 to get better? I get it if u don't wanna rematch people who are toxic, but not replaying against characters you don't like it's dumb. Like what even is the point? To get more points, what do the points even do? Let you play against better players, better players that you won't be able to beat cuz you're ass at the game and got there by not actually learning.
@nararanaraiii202213 күн бұрын
Biggest pet peeve in fighting games is when they win the first game then I win the second game and they leave for the third. FINISH THE SET MOTHERF#@$^ER!!!!!
@JaayRzA13 күн бұрын
The only time I quit a 3rd match was when someone Ki charged me over and over in the 1st match and I lost. So, in the 2nd round, I won, ki-charged and cancelled even though they quickly rematched. I don't want to give them the satisfaction to rebound from that wreckage.
@silenthero279513 күн бұрын
Hahaha get rekt@@silenthero2795
@jefmaster1115 күн бұрын
Only times I don’t rematch: 1. Slideshow connection 2. Opponent’s rank is so much lower that I’d lose a massive amount of points if they just so happen to play a perfect game even though I’d only get like 90 for a win. Pretty sure I’ve only denied a rematch like maybe 5 times since launch.
@km_191113 күн бұрын
Wait I thought there was a PC test when you start tekken 8? I vaguely remembering getting a score for it. I think it's more that people aren't adjusting the settings right?
@optionselleck286013 күн бұрын
heavily knowledge based game, Gives us take control feature in replay. OOPSIE WOOPSIE you cant learn the matchup against the DLC character
@vvdulw13 күн бұрын
Thats why you dont rematch Eddy
@user-by6eb6zo7g13 күн бұрын
Wait you can’t use it against DLC characters ??? No way lmaooo
@Shodan13012 күн бұрын
This is why the current rematch limit hurts so bad: you meet someone really interesting and then after 2 close matches it's already good bye? Come on! I never felt like the unlimited rematches in T7 were a problem and in return got me some really nice sets. Bring those back!
@FoxGhost711 күн бұрын
The 3-0 thing just just happen to me the other day I was grinding out no.1 rank for Jin in wins it started giving me Raijin on their second characters. I'm generally between red and purple.
@glaiveashwood853213 күн бұрын
If you lose the 1st match and they wanna leave that's their decision. The choice is there specifically so if the match your playing is laggy your not locked into 2 matches of suffering. I'd rather it be like this than to be forced to play 2 matches.
@meteor2213 күн бұрын
Part of the problem, part of the crew. Part of the problem, part of the crew.
@RanOutOfSpac13 күн бұрын
@RanOutOfSpac what absolute sheep mentality, that someone can't support the choice to not rematch. People are so soft these days.
@ibreakyou713413 күн бұрын
I mean, the option to opt in to a mandatory bo3 or something would be nice. Its VERY evident that there's a hard divide between those who want to throw themselves into the grinder (me) and those who just want to see points go up (the fucking Bryan players who almost always dip cuz they didn't get a clean 3 round sweep on me) Especially for a game like Tekken, where matches and adaptations take way longer than most other fighters, the way it is now actively harms the game I feel
@Dasaltwarrior13 күн бұрын
@Dasaltwarrior it does nothing to the game itself. The game isn't responsible for its player base, outside of accounting for cheating. If someone doesn't want to fight again, forcing them to be there opens up the door for petty players that will just taunt or drop the controllers. At that point, you're just wasting my time. Better that they just quit and I get my next match with another fighter. The block option exists for a reason.
@ibreakyou713413 күн бұрын
@@ibreakyou7134 Makes sense. I’m the soft one for wanting more games in a set, win or lose. Solid logic brother.
@RanOutOfSpac13 күн бұрын
One thing people seem to not grasp about these concepts is that, no, nobody is really entitled to a rematch or the runback for several reasons. Many folks usually go for the, "They do it to save their points/Rank", but consider that there are other factors at play besides just that notion: -Nobody's gonna rematch you if there isnt shit to learn. If you curbstomp someone ONCE, that match is enough to tell the disparities in skill between you and your opponent. Nobody's getting their ass whooped 20 times, winning 1, and claiming, "I've learned something", because you really didn't -You all know damn well a shit connection is not worth hitting Rematch when you either win or lose. No matter how many messages I get about, "Being a bitch" by my opponent, if I win or lose in a connection where it feels like I am submerged in flan, I aint rematching you, and to claim you haven't done the same thing is preposterous (Don't say it's "different", many of you are getting upset over not hitting rematches period) -Points and Rank don't mean anything if the person simply doesn’t care. Someone could simply just wanna play the game and play as many different characters as possible, but take a guess at how many folks either won't rematch because they run into the standard flowchart of each game hundreds of times (I play Ken, I KNOW people don't wanna rematch me in SF, for example).That's enough for them to not wanna rematch people because at that point, they simply don't want to fight the same character again despite possib running into another one, but it's not to insult the opponent. Even then, chances are they either will leave if they win or lose anyway, so taking offense to it is utterly pointless. I just wanna clarify that I get a bit disappointed for not getting rematches from good connections, but I don't care past that because, again, I am not owed a rematch or a set unless it's a tournament, so no reason to get upset about a "problem" that honestly isn't there besides actuam cheating or ragequitting, IMO.
@NewZen4113 күн бұрын
“If you curbstomp someone ONCe, that match is enough to tell the disparities in skill between you and your opponent.” Highly disagree. Many people often have their default strategy which can also be referred to as a flowchart. Really good players are able to learn when the flowchart isn’t working and adapt. With that being said, it’s not uncommon for them to take a little longer. I have had times in which I get perfected and won the set, and have perfected people and they won the set.
@phabiorules13 күн бұрын
@phabiorules You're saying that about people who don't WANT to learn anything past that, though, but I should've clarified a bit better. Sufficed to say, unless that person isn't actively pushing to get better and doesn't simply care to "git gud" (Max even said in the vid about those who simply want easy wins, because yeah, there are those who simply realize they aren't winning that match and don't care to rematch), yeah, they will be able to tell the disparity off of a single match. It obviously doesn't apply to everyone, but to say it ISN'T true is objectively false-newcomers who just started, but don't understand the nuances of the systems aren't going to "download" anything on their first go-around against someone who has a good/notable amount of leagcy skill and fundamentals, and even in today's fighting game world, it isn't something you get within a quick amount of time. They're likely to move on to the next opponent and find someone equal to their level instead.
@NewZen4113 күн бұрын
"If you curbstomp someone ONCE, that match is enough to tell the disparities in skill between you and your opponent" So this is a matchmaking issue then, if the skill gap is actually that large. That's not related to whether or not a set should be played out. If anything, that's an argument for sets because it means they'll get out of this rank bracket quicker so you don't get matched with them again. If the skill gap isn't big and you're just getting knowledge checked then the idea of framing the one-and-done as "I can't learn anything" is ridiculous. If you wanted to learn then you would stay and try new tactics, especially with the replay system Tekken 8 has. You're not just playing against a character you're playing against a person, and people have habits you can learn. That's part of the game. "a shit connection is not worth hitting Rematch when you either win or lose" The only somewhat valid reason for the game to not force a set, but this shouldn't be the deciding factor. Ultimately it's on the game to mitigate lag-related issues, every other game has to deal with this as well. It shouldn't affect the design of the game modes themselves. "Someone could simply just wanna play the game and play as many different characters as possible" Sure, and if it doesn't happen then it is what it is, that's the luck of the draw. It's RANKED. You fight whoever you get matched with. By your logic we should be able to see the character someone plays in the matchmaking pop-up just because it would be more fun for these people. You see why that would be a problem though, right? People would just dodge matchups they're bad at and accept the ones they are good at. That doesn't make for a good competitive mode, and allowing people to choose who they rematch causes a similar problem.
@barnacleman323312 күн бұрын
I hate it to. I'm all about having a good fight and learning from experience. If I lose it just makes me wanna try harder. So many just wanna win even if it means spamming
@charliesavoury580611 күн бұрын
I fought a Shaheen and the match was the Tekken I love. No spamming power crushing heat engagers. Just straight up making reads on each other. I won the first match using Claudio, he won the second match then I won the last match. All the rounds were close lol. Fun as hell
@JohnSmith-yn9ju13 күн бұрын
I only play ranked and I don’t always rematch. Sometimes I’m busy, sometimes I just don’t want to fight against that character again, sometimes I don’t wanna fight that specific player again because I don’t like the way they fight. The fact of the matter is that if someone doesn’t give you a rematch, you have no idea why unless they tell you. Yall are just assuming that they’re scared to rematch you when there’s countless other possible reasons. Get over yourselves and get out your feelings.
@_Car_Ideas13 күн бұрын
Very well said, and exactly what I came to say (albeit less eloquently). I've been on both ends of the one-and-done, and while I can guess why it happened to me, neither they nor I need to justify the reason for using an in-game feature. Getting angry that someone denied you a rematch is simply an ego problem.
@Shade8413 күн бұрын
@@Shade84 exactly, sometimes I’ve played a dozen Reina’s in a row and I just don’t feel like fighting another one lol. Or the bears (I always have, and always will hate playing against the bears 🐻 🐼 lol). I’m not running from an opponent because I’m scared lol, I’m just not going to continue to play a game if I’m not enjoying it. It’s crazy that so many people genuinely assume that everyone is just scared of them and that’s why they won’t rematch lol
@_Car_Ideas13 күн бұрын
This recently happened on one of Aruuu's Tekken streams. She was fighting someone, and then the person she was fighting quit. She was REALLY pissed off when that person quit.
@gamefan621913 күн бұрын
Ok?
@WilThaGTKT13 күн бұрын
Wholeheartedly agree. It is so discouraging playing rank when people one and done you, because above all else if this happens often you end up spending more time waiting on opponents and loading into games rather than fighting. Another thing that pisses me off is that there's no easy way to deathmatch someone. How am I supposed to learn a new match up, when I need to add person to friends, go create a special type of lobby, invite them in and only then we can deathmatch - that's straight up stupid.
@mandatorycorpaccount13 күн бұрын
that's why I quit tekken.... in a game with 5000+ moves.... a lot of which are strings with multiple ending..... punishable strings or moves that you have to be able to punish with a specific 12 frame attack or 14 frame attack...... strings that end high which you can duck, or just block and be in a frame trap.... when people won't give you more than 2 games in an environment like that... It's just simply unplayable.... the game is unplayable because of the community, and it's sad because I have a lot of fun playing tekken.
@upplsuckimcool168 күн бұрын
@@upplsuckimcool16 dunno why you'd quit though. I just don't play ranked and mostly do deathmatches with my friends :)
@mandatorycorpaccount8 күн бұрын
@@mandatorycorpaccount I'm saying this as someone who NEVER played ranked.
@upplsuckimcool168 күн бұрын
The 200 hours spent with Tekken really made me appreciate coming back to street fighter.
@rubo892512 күн бұрын
I've been playing fighting games since decades ago during the 90s to early 2000s arcade days but I was always pretty casual about it. I just find it funny learning about fighting game players nowadays getting genuinely pissed about the dumbest sh8 such as something as simple the other guy not wanting a rematch. idk about people nowadays but if someone were to act legitimately salty in the arcade back then just because the other person doesn't want to rematch, everyone would laugh at them for acting like a child.
@geebeepman13 күн бұрын
That's the weird thing. I grew up playing people in the arcades too and after I would win it wouldn't matter if the other guy left. You just say good game and that's that. I guess it's different when you're online and don't have to play again.
@omegaweapon11613 күн бұрын
So it wasn't this toxic back then?
@LEWfromdaHOU13 күн бұрын
Nobody owes anyone a rematch. If somebody doesn't want to play you anymore regardless if they win or lose it's fine. People really need to stop thinking that everyone has to rematch them.
@wood106613 күн бұрын
With that logic, one and doners aren't owed a single match at all, then. So where does that leave us?
@runbaa928513 күн бұрын
@@runbaa9285 I'm glad the tekken devs are graciously donating matches with other people to me after I spent money on this game. There's just too many characters in this game that either are or can be made to be annoying to play against. Imagine beating level 1 of super mario brothers and then level 1 asks for a rematch, stomps you, teabags your corpse and leaves. You probably should have just taken your points, gone on to f*ck about with level 2 and not worried about how level 1 needs to grow as a mario brother's level.
@cakesteak12 күн бұрын
U must be one of those people he’s talking about☠️🤷🏾♂️
@lazahriowilliams872411 күн бұрын
@lazahriowilliams8724 No, I'm an adult.
@wood106611 күн бұрын
This is also a big problem at the lower casual levels of Mk1. For instance Kung Lao, Nitara sun zero. All they want to do is jump in and mix in that with dive kicks. Once you anti air them they will still continue to jump or figure out ways to jump or jump at different times; but they won't stop jumping.😊
@bryanbridges615213 күн бұрын
I can’t understand what’s so hard: if the game can’t figure out who disconnected then the match should start off with registering a loss for both players on the backend and then undoing it for the winner. Then if u plug mid match you still already lost
@dlindstadt13 күн бұрын
I like how i instantly knew the answer when he waited for that dramatic pause and when he said "they quit" i clenched my fist and sighed. feels bad man.
@rinhatsuyuki709013 күн бұрын
The lack of ARMOR KING
@Earthshaker8913 күн бұрын
You get it
@jaealxndr13 күн бұрын
fr
@KennycideYT13 күн бұрын
More like balance….
@Squidward_00013 күн бұрын
They do have King with armored attacks!
@anthonyford455913 күн бұрын
I enjoyed the treasure hunt in T7 and the rank system for each character in it. I miss to offline level with character.
@merowinger480213 күн бұрын
The only instances where I would cancel a rematch is when connection or their pc made the experience barely playable. The sad part is that not even being beyond blue ranks fixes this. People often scrub out even all the way up to TG. I hope things will get better over time.
@GOffensive13 күн бұрын
9:06 Yes. Yes they do
@ArtyomFinch13 күн бұрын
Sadly, yup.
@RanOutOfSpac13 күн бұрын
Mmmmm hmmm
@almightyyjon266913 күн бұрын
My biggest problem is Tiger Jackson not being in a mainline game, instead we got busted Eddy with a tired haircut. Also Asuka got shafted in the story 😅
@Rough_Estimates13 күн бұрын
We got bigger problems then a costume that’s probably coming in DLC or battle pass 😢
@Notyourfavgamer_Ej13 күн бұрын
Damn good video. I agree with the performance test for pc. The amount of laggy pc wifi even sometimes wired connections lag is crazy. As for the if people leaving set because they think they can be beaten. I agree it’s more frustrating than plugging. And I feel like, even if they had a stat that told me a set completion rate with the disconnection rate it would affect whether i play them or not. I’ve played people with 12+% disconnection rate and was more satisfied cause they finished the set. They could’ve just had bad connection at the time. Who knows.
Most frustrating thing has the been the community response to the whole thing. So many people talking about “you are not entitled to a re-match”. While i don’t disagree with the sentiment, the fact of the matter is MAJORITY of people not giving rematches is to retain points or because their Ego can’t take a loss. Tekken community is allergic to calling a spade a spade.
I don't rematch on ranked unless I am confident I can win. There is no reward in ranked for rematching someone. That is the game's fault, not the player's. Also, the way the points are given out are complete BS, nonsensical, and random. Wanna git gud by rematching? Play quick play. We didn't make the rules, the game devs did
Calling a spade a spade here is kinda funny given you are arguing from analogy. You demonstrate cognitive dissonance and allow your personal bias towards people not rematching you be dictated by what you PERCEIVE to be an ego loss. "So many people talking about 'you are not entitled to a re-match "... this would infer that "MAJORITY of people not giving rematches" are following this sentiment for their own personal reasons, but most likely as you claim, you are not entitled to a rematch.
@@user-by6eb6zo7gdamn that's a lot of big words
@@user-by6eb6zo7g no but youre still a pussy for leaving lol, yea maybe u got busy but i really, really doubt the 500 azucena, victor, king, feng, and drag mains all had a call in from work.
i dont rematch kings and hwo
They should give a little bonus rank to the winner of a full set. Meaning if you make it to game 3 the winner gets maybe 100 additional points. That way people are encouraged to stay.
and make the loser lose less points to entice the worse player acceepting the match.
@@balazstoth7061 this tbh. Its not keeping the winning player that is the challenge it is getting the losing player to keep playing
@@casbalt7763actually no, the winner is actually the one that has less salt, and wants to take the points and run.
@@nigelstanford4 Not in my experience, but different experiences may vary so I won't say that that doesn't happen. Something should incentivize both players ideally I guess.
@@balazstoth7061 YES YES YES I LOVE YOU WE NEED LAB TIME (Stuck in purple)
I also hate it when you take the first set then your opponent takes the next set then just leaves. Its like bro come on..........
All the fucking time...finally a good fighting game and this shit is goin on...
@@OpeSnaps it's very disappointing
@Unknownengima0 I've done that 1 time and it was a feng who ki charged and demoted me second game I won ki charged ranked up and left. The guy deserved it imo.
@@phriscalmer8740 ki chargers and teabaggers are different. They are in the same league for me as laggy people. They get no rematches whether i win or lose. They give no respect, they get none.
I blame the devs for making it only 1st to 2. Most competitive mindset people want to play a good opponent for longer, instead of sifting back through disconnection rates.
The manners in tekken are insane. People get insanely pissed if you land one low hit and start spamming lows in the orange ranks, then in the red ranks they ALWAYS try to kick you after the round ends. But if you do the same to them? Good god, you think you’d killed their beloved pet the way they lose their shit
I find this to be so common with grabs too. If you land a grab mix-up, I find very often the opponent will start spamming throws back. This happens so frequently that I've found it's easy to predict and just start punishing them for trying to throw me lol
@@kyleannen731Also true. Land a grapple on an orange rank Dragonuv and he’s gonna start going for that tackle grab every chance he gets
@@kyleannen731 I think many players just forget throws exist and when you throw them they suddenly remember lol
@@kyleannen731 I love it when they do that. I'm always surprised by how rarely people throw. How am I going to practice teching if people won't throw unless they're king? I throw all the time. It's good for you.
@@garymichalles8383 months into a games life I will have those moments, and naturally my reaction is to try and "cement" the idea so I end up doing the thing tons in that match. Sucks cause yeah, I get blown up for it but honestly in my case it's just... Yeah you reminded me that exists so imma use it now lmao
Honestly I don't know why more fighting games don't take a note out of Killer Instinct's book and just force the best of 3 if you're in a ranked setting. Gold vs Killer or Killer vs Killer matches require one player to win two matches before they get any points. I'm a firm believer that this should be a standard going forward for all ranked modes, without limiting it to high ranks. Specifically because of this issue; the system calls you out for being a fraud if you can't adapt.
Cause forcing a best of three will REALLY discourage pluggers then 🙄
Takes too long, wouldn't want that.
Enemy dude is lagging > i dont rematch > i am considered bad guy
@@sky-oq5mr It takes too long to play the game you’re playing? What? Go play something else then my dude lol.
@@sky-oq5mr literally every other ranked system in other genres forced you to play a full match. A match in Valorant can be 40 mins but people don't complain cause they understand it's ranked and u should have the ability to come back but in FGs for some reason in ranked we act likeyou can just leave whenever and run gimmicks like it's no biggie. You should have to run the set
Losing is part of the fun, because then you can learn. Rank systems add this layer of intensity where people focus solely on the climb and are TERRIFIED of the fall, which is part of growing as a player, and even a person, in any setting. You gotta fail before you fly, but these fighting games with ladders inherently tell players they're bad or it's bad to lose through negative reinforcement and people with Max's mentality become the exception, not the rule, which flies in the face of fighting games as a whole.
And if you'd remove the ladders, the people who derive actual thrills and pleasure from putting in the work and watch their rank rise are punished. I really don't know what you can do to square this circle.
This happens in Casual Matches too
wrong. it's part of your fun
Losing isn't fun.
Nah. Ranked ain't practice mode. GTFO😂😂😂
I think a way to solve this is to incentivise people to run the set back rather than just one and doneing, whether that's higher Tekken Prowess awarded for completing a 3 match set or higher reward points for the Battle Pass Missions. I don't know.
Abut 100 comments down, and someone finally gets it. It amazes me how little people think
That wouldn't do anything!! Those dudes just don't like losing, so they quit...
@@lucas-xf7rc I dunno I agree that some people who are just sore losers will quit no matter what, but the sting of loss isn't as bad if you keep in the back of your mind that you're getting rewarded with something.
@@KiddCrowley I suppose that could help, but I think that this "Boom" of quitters is more about the unwillingness to learn how to be good, rather than it is about the rewards you can get. If a person doesn't want to put in the time to learn how to get decently good at the game, that's fine, since it can be quite time consuming. However, knowing how to take a loss is something that game Devs can't teach...
@@lucas-xf7rc you take the loss.... not rematching isnt the same as plugging. They just dont want to get destroyed by someone thats lives and breathes the game again for that persons enjoyment.
It was definitely shocking going from Street Fighter 6 where in my 500 hours I've only had 2 people in Ranked that I can remember that quit out before the set was over because they were on the brink of death; then going to Tekken 8 and it happens all the time, and NO ONE rematches.
Crazy, isn’t it?
It’s because unlike in Tech in street fighter has a system that stops this kind of plugging. It’s called yellow card.
@@Dragonborn1178 how is not rematching plugging lol. why should you get forced to play another set where you know you will get stomped and not learn anything.
@@flamemon11I would rather try again and risk getting my ass whooped again. I would rather have the opportunity to learn and adapt
yup sums up my experience, i had a dude literally plugging then going on my steam profile to call me racist slurs just cuz i was playing king.. theres so many angry players on tekken ranked actually nuts lol
Pluggers are the biggest annoyance ever.
That issue is essentially gone, I never match with high disconnection rate. I haven't been plugged on since they fixed that display since i dont accept people with high disconnection rates. You should move on to the next issue, as this shouldn't be happening anymore.
@AlphaNexusOmega It does, alot. I get disconnected on by people with 0-2% rates.
I think if a person feels they can't beat you they have every right to pull the plug on a match I do it all the time. It doesn't hurt anyone.
based pluggers
if you're doing that in Tekken then you're most definitely part of the problem..... @enterusername4650
For me it's annoying when people just disconnect mid game, it just ruins the game man (be ready for a challenge if you want to play online and don't ruin the game for other players like me smh)
Until the game devs give an S, this will continue to happen.
I'm more okay with that than a person who dips regardless if they win or lose, because a rage quit is still a win on your end imo A one and done is a refusal to engage beyond how THEY play, and I respect that less than a person effectively conceding victory to you via plugging A plugger makes me laugh, a dipper makes me question why they're even in rank
The only time I ever plug in any kind of fighting game if somebody has a shitty connection I don’t mind people if the connection isn’t perfect but when you’re sitting there and you feel like you’re playing in mud and mashing buttons, thinking you’re cool no that’s when I draw the line
The disconnects are 50/50 too, i feel like they need to or steam needs to fix those server disconnects
@@Dasaltwarrior What is the rematch setup like in tekken8? I havent actually played it yet so dont have the full context. In my case, I play a lot of gg strive these days, and in that game you can rematch up to two times before it backs out both players to the lobby. For me in strive, I generally rematch those 2 games. But a lot of times after the game sends us back to the lobby, I look for a new opponent instead of fighting the same person. This is because I often treat ranked mode like a tournament scenario, where I don't get a ton of time with the same person and have to adapt quickly. If I want repeated matches Ill go to non-ranked. If the tekken 8 situation that people are describing is like pol dipping after 1 game in strive, then I can see how that'd be annoying.
Lol I play fighting games to just kick people and survive as long as I can. I can win, lose, or draw. I don't be caring too much if they spam, troll, or pick a "top tier" character. I just enjoy understanding patterns and having fun with the character I like.
That's a good mindset. You're playing against random people. People can't expect everybody to have the same attitude toward fighting games.
Same. :D
Man draw is really fun in 8. I had my first draw in ranked playing against very good Nina, she won the first and the second a draw in the final round like three seconds left and then two more games again, damn. Its more impactful in this game for sure
This is what wisdom looks like.
Yeah, some people use top tier characters not because they are the strongest. It's because they like that character
Recently I played a match against a Lars and lost. The guy refused the rematch and added me in a group chat called “OWNED” which was full of people he’s one and doned. Every now and then he’ll send a clip to it saying “lol look how I destroyed this guy” and more often than not, it is always the last round with one hit to take it for either side
Sheesh, now that’s a toxic player! 😬
sounds like 96 percent of the FGC most players are scum and brag about Victories they won underhanded they don't deserve their rank you can tell the difference between a player who actually plays Fighting games as oppose the majority of the community who look up cheats on youtube and then look for broken exploits. basically fighting games have always this large group of fake fighters who claim they are good but when they get pressured like Max mentioned they refused to adapt these players are one trick ponies
I would never play against him again. And ofc if you fought him again and won he wouldn’t mention that
Take comfort in the big possibility that they get VERY upset if they lose. If they're that toxic when they win, it's probably worse for themselves when they lose. Even if they don't show it, it's probably in their head, the best place for ego deflation.
That might be the most pathetic thing I've heard lmao.
Honestly more like a problem in fighting games in general
He mentioned that, but it’s especially bad in Tekken.
I had no one quit on me in guilty gear and like 10 in total in sf6 (around 130hrs)
Could never be gbfvr
Ok so when I comment something like this people condemn me but when this guy does it he gets praised. Wtf is wrong with you people.
Sounding a little entitled @@enterusername4650
I feel the exact same way when someone one and dones me. Let me adapt bro, come on.
You're probably spamming with an S tier char😂
@@AsukasSlaveyou'd probably RQ against a Miguel lol, maybe if you didn't one and done everyone maybe you'd figure out a way to stop their bullshit, but nah you'd rather just get those wins then complain when you lose.
Nah. You should be ready for everything at all times. You can adapt in other matches. This is part of life. Not everyone is gonna let you "adapt." Take your L and STFU and GTFO.
@@AsukasSlave you know he spammed with Azuzena or Victor and that's why nobody wanted to play him.
I use DK @@AsukasSlave
When playing in elite smash, i faced a guy playing as sonic. He would hang around the edge, constantly charging his rolling attacks, and just wait for you to approach. The moment you get hit off stage, he would use his spring to try and gimp your jump and kill you. If he got up by a stock, he would RUN AWAY for the rest of the match, to time you out. Oh, and he would set the timer to the shortest possible. It was infuriating. I happen to get him again a couple matches later, but this time i got up by one stock. So i gave him a taste of hos own medicine and avoided him the whole time. But just before the match ends, he quits...so i dont gain any points...yeah he was blocked after that
Least annoying Sonic player.
During the Brawl days, I ended up accepting a team match with three people I'd been interacting with online for months; seemed like a good idea at the time. What I didn't expect was that any time my teammate and I were about to win, one of the two others would DC. It's something to DC on strangers you'll never meet, but in friendlies against folks you will generally run into again ? I actually didn't believe it at first, but after the third time in a row, there was little mistaking it. The guy in question was very toxic when he did win, as well. Still confuses me to this day, nobody was spamming or anything either, pretty basic matches all around. Other adjacent story, brought Melee to a party that one time, ended up having to leave for a few hours so I could only play a match against this guy I'd known for a few years before I had to go. Ended up winning, but not by a lot, cool match. Didn't want to boast so I kept it low key, and then left the Gamecube behind until I got back since they had nothing else planned and all. Turns out while I was away, the guy ravaged my controller (see the plastic making the joystick round ? He clawed that shit off, very thoroughly might I add) . A friend later told me he was enraged for a good while because I didn't, and he quoted, "celebrate enough for managing to beat him".
The part Max mentioned not wanting to beat up noobs hit ya boy with the offline nostalgia unlock. Bitd would legit rather someone straight stomping me than roll people who were inexperienced. It'd take 2 rounds at the arcade and I'd have to bow out cause I wasnt gonna take their coin or waste mine. And if it was a friend, at the house, who I'd want to have fun, would legitimately give self a handicap (often without mentioning) just to make it close and hype up their play. Then slowly add in stuff, but tell em "Hey you see when I do this? Hit that button there." and then tell em I shouldnt have told them that as I continued to be punished by them. A few even got interested to pursue getting better afterwards and legitimately got good to whip up on me. Know this is mostly a casual perspective but that's 90% of what FGs should feel like for those coming into it. Online makes it a lil less personal now because you're not there next to em, but it's great to have cells of communities that still do that. Not every intention will hit, but who knows, that one casual that does vibe with it might turn out to be the next hardcore FGC bro that pays it forward.
It's really hard as a brand new fighting game player to push through all the bullshit and BM online. I keep training and going in online because I enjoy the learning process, but all the rude players online definitely make it hard. I just hope I can get good enough to go head to head with those who actually want to play the game, not just win, by the time all the bad actors leave.
This is about to be Tekken seriously.
It's biggest problem is sneaking in microtransactions after reviews went up.
thats quite possibly the least of tekken 8's problems.
@@rpemulis Bandai Namco's executives agree with you
This is insignificant
@@cosmosofinfinity i don't care what they agree with, i'm not buying microtransactions. i want the netcode to not be ass, i want to be able to play more than 5 minutes at a time before having to requeue and filter through 8 wifi matches before getting a hardwired.
One thing that gets to me is when my opponent beats me, rematches me, then quits if I beat them, effectively leaving the set 1-1 Honestly grinds my gears more than a one and done
Lmao na for real tho, I hate that shit as well!! Like why be a sore fucking loser!!
So glad I’m not the only one annoyed by that
Pluggers situation get worse as the higher ranks you go (Currently at about Kishin). I thought that as you climb higher people would be more incline to play the game honestly (not plugging and following through with the best 2 out of 3). I also want to call out the Tekken 8 ranking system kind of encourage people to not follow through with the 2 out of 3 matches more at the higher ranks because they made the rank point gain system in a way that you need to be on a win streak to rank up in the higher ranks. So if someone wins/lose a close match, it does make sense to not gamble on a close match, but rather so find someone to stomp on just to get the win streak just to be able to climb.
The problem with Tek8's rank mechanic is it's been completely scrubified. 9/10 fights I have with red and purple ranks don't have them use more than a single juggle all match, they just abuse overtuned character BS they saw on KZhead and they're able to climb into high ranks with ease. It's a joke when compared to previous Tekkens.
seeing players with God of Destruction ranks with 30 defense rating because they did what you said is what makes ranking up in this game not feel satisfying at all.
Yup. I met my first pluggers in red ranks. Seeing more and more 1 and dones too.
Your first mistake was assuming players at high ranks are actually skilled and honest. Tekken 8 was made to carry braindead morons. I'm currently Kishin with Jin and it's *rare* when you fight someone who isn't overly dependent on heat/RAs and actually puts thought into the match. Rank is basically a facade in this game.
I've ran into so many one & done players on T8 recently. It only seemed to ramp up when Eddy Gordo got added. You'll run into players spamming his strings, and once you figure them out, they'll leave after you beat them.
Good? Did you want to fight another masher exploiting a knowledge gap stomping scrubs? Let em go
Uh, obviously. What's the benefit of playing again if you think you will lose? Blame the system, not the player
It sucks, because Tekken takes longer to learn and adapt over a set than other fighting games in my experience, so for it to have the most toxic culture of a JP fighting game hamstrings it quite a bit I feel Like I've had cheaters, 1 and dones, and rage quits in SF6, but I learn so much quicker, AND get matches quicker that it doesn't matter
@@AsukasSlavegetting better so you won't lose when they figure the 2 strings you know? Lmao
@@AsukasSlaveGit gud
Yes yes and yes. They seriously need to follow the MK 1 Quitality method. Plugging with no consequence is why ppl don’t bother continue playing online
Also gives the plugger a loss, which is what I think needs to happen if you quit mid match regardless
not even necessarily talkign about pluggers... just talking about people who play 1 or 2 or 3 close matches then just quit.... It's the most frustrating thing I've ever run into... I love tekken... but I stopped playing it years ago because of this. For instance, in tekken 7 there were like 50 or more characters which means there was FIVE THOUSAND MOVES..... how can you learn match ups and get better at the game in a game with 5000 moves when people leave after 2 close matches... it's fuckin ridiculous and unplayable.... I won't even buy tekken 8 because of this reason and I actually want to play it! But I just can't with this community, I simply can't.
@@upplsuckimcool16 by grinding single mode, that's what it's for.
@@admontblanc that won't help with playing against real people... Going in the lab and labbing everything sure... but that's impossibly boring especially with that many characters and moves.
People are obsessed with winning in Tekken or fighting games in general, because that's the only progression they see. Sure you unlock fight money for costumes, but there aren't that many items in the game so you do it pretty quick and the battle pass sucks. Fighting games really need to take a page from CoD. A lot of ppl don't care whether they win or lose, they just want to unlock camos. Fighting games need a camo like grind or just other modes besides ranked and casual. So even if a casual isn't winning they can't have fun and feel like they are progressing in some way while playing.
For all fighting game for sure BUT ESPECIALLY in Tekken , I'm feeling the one and done more on this game after adapting to the match up
You had the Conqueror mode in Tekken 5 that was exactly for that. Each character that you played in that mode would rank up like in an online ladder mode, and each level unlocked customization for that specific character. It was a pretty fun way to learn each character too since it would get actually rough at the last levels.
I got my fun out of Tekken 8. Great gameplay, but after awhile the over-tuned top tier characters/moves and a complete lack of a system to handle quitting just burns me out on the experience. I'd still rate it highly as I got plenty of hours out of it, just being honest with why I stopped. Went back to Street Figher 6 and enjoying it greatly again.
Yeah, that’s pretty much what most pro players are saying as well dude there’s so much mashing online as someone who is an average player not a super pro in Tekken seven the mashing in the new game is crazy the older games I could play strategic and tech and eight I feel like I’m dealing with some child pressing buttons or playing on casual mode or just throwing out random things and random rage moves
@@Dragonborn1178 I don't mind players mashing. But I don't like I am essentially doing 50/50 casino when I am backed against a wall or corner. It's particularly egregarious especially against characters like Dragunov, Eddy, King, etc.
Agreed 100% I have also dropped the game because the online experience is very poor and it’s all the communities fault.
Nice
Namco needs to have 2 options: 1 fight or the best of 3. If the player rage quits it counts as a loss.
best of 3 is just as dumb as 1 fight lol... oh boy... A WHOLE OTHER MATCH..... that changes EVERYTHING! smh. Ranked should be FT10 if you ask me if you lose 5/0 then you can leave if you want. If you're in ranked... and you quit after 2 wins, or like 1 loss and 2 wins.... and you play like this.... and leave after 2 losses....... then your rank is simply fraudulent. Your rank just does not represent your skill level..... It's inarguable. It's 2+2=4. If someone who played like this sat down for a 5 hour session, and hit nothing but rematch unless they lost 5/0 (or 10 games in a row if they won at all) they would lose no less than 5 ranks before that 5 hour session ended. They would be bumped down to whatever rank represented their skill.....
Remember when playing games was mostly more about having fun? Sadly, fun has left the building.
And this is why I NEVER play online as a whole, especially with fighting games. I am perfectly fine playing against an actual friend IRL or CPU. The toxicity of the online community is absolutely disgusting.
@@shatteredteethofgod Honestly? I'd just go with the flow. My own flow, that is. I'm casual as casual can be, so better not expect too much of a fight against me. lol
I get being pissed when if ppl do a 1 and done on ranked. Its proper form to give them the rematch. Here's the thing though. Once you get to the blue levels, if you lose 3 ranked games in a row you lose 1k points on the 3rd game no matter the rank. Even below blue there's the fact that you lose the same amount of points to people ranked above you, and lose fewer points if you lose to ppl ranked below you. The biggest reason I'll skip rematches isn't even the opponent, its the stages. If I'm playing Kazuya, my big damage relies entirely on there being a wall. So if I get colloseum or whatever the tree place is, I don't get the wall. I don't have combos to get them close enough to the wall, so I gotta compromise by going for reset setups which I have very few of. And this gets even more infuriating when you're up against Dragunov or Lee who can just carry you to just shy of the wall from center stage off of their combos. In short, if I replay on those stages I am effectively handicapping myself. A lot of ppl in here talk about how you should just rematch to learn... but this ranking system doesn't encourage that.
omg THANK YOU for mentioning Smash, because i literally got hella burned out last night for the same exact shit and decided to take a break for a good while. If I had any local scenes and enough time in my life I would gladly ditch the online, but i have no other options. I'll stick to T8 for the time being, since at least I can practice every now and then.
To be honest, I totally don't care if people quit after they win the 1st match... It's their choice and I do respect it. The game also allows it. It's not like we have to wait a long time (like in T7) to find another match. Hovewer rage quitters are totally annoying and deserve to loose the points and be banned if they repeat it.
Can’t believe there’s people in the comments pretty much saying they’re entitled to a rematch. I get that it’s annoying when people don’t want to rematch but people have other things to do too.
@@basedmarlon nobody is entitled. But how is it that "people have other things to do too". As if they aren't immediately re-queueing. What a lousy defense.
Facts. Ban the godamn pluggers. I've stopped playing because of this issue. One and done aren't shit. Pluggers have literally ruined the experience. It's sucks.
@@martijn2973tbh it doesn't even matter what they're doing, if they don't want a play a person for whatever reason they don't have to, sure they're pussies or whatever but who cares?
For casual, ya who cares if you leave after one match. We are playing damn ranked here, so your ass should be ready to play the set. We are playing for silly rank points, and I want my silly rank points. Imo, points should only be given to the person who wins the set, not a round. And I dont give a fuck if you have something to do in five minutes so you dont want to be forced to play a set. Simply dont play ranked. If you chose to play ranked matched, YOU ARE GOING TO PLAY THE SET FOR YOUR POINTS! And that is how it should have been, but oh well, the player’s pizza might burn or something. We cant have such a thing
The most casual games being Tekken, MK and Smash having the most one-and-dones, or BM in general, makes sense. Many casuals have the wrong mindset and hop online to get a quick dopamine rush like in many other genres. And in those it's mostly defined by "winning". Having a healthy, competitive relationship with FGs requires a different one though which is finding the fun in the little things you manage to do in a match and discover new things about your character. But those tend to get overshadowed when you only look at the bigger goal of winning.
cause I'm bad at everything no matter how much time I put into it, so when I lose all the time it makes me want to end myself.
Yeah, even SF6 had this issue on release when the casuals jumped into ranked after world tour. I hope it will go away soon. Probably around mid summer we will have to core Tekken fanbase that’s not mentally weak to seeing “you lose”
Worth Noting that if the person one and doning is a casual (and it is not always) , this isn't necessarily because of the L. Many casuals just aren't aware that there is a such etiquette in the FGC and just want to fight a bunch of different people. I didn't think about it myself before I started watching FG videos (thankfully I don't really play online anyway, so I didn't cause too much trouble) , and when I told a friend playing SF6 online that he should rematch, he just went "hey, that makes sense, never thought about it" and started rematching. In fact, it's especially likely if they don't particularly care about the L, they don't really care to find out who is the truly without a doubt the best between them and the random person they're fighting online. Guess the best thing to do is to get the information out there in a way that it will be seen by the most people.
It's the 1v1 factor. In team based PVP or PVE games, you can have a bad match and still get carried by your team to a W, or vice-versa. It could be you picking up the slack from your teammates. In fighting games, it's always personal.
This is just andecdotal, but as a casual player idk if I agree that's the source. I've played a lot of Guilty Gear: Strive, which as far as I know has a pretty big casual audience, and people will ALWAYS rematch until the end, a lot of the time even coming back for extras after they lost. The only exception being if it was super uneven, but even then often they will come back for an ass kicking. Now part of the reason is probably that the ranking system is less punishing (until you get to max rank), but I'll get so many one-and-dones after THEY WON, even if it wasn't a super close match. As for other BM like teabagging and shit talking, it happens but is still very rare, much rarer than in Tekken 8.
if i lose to a certain flow chart, after the best of 3, i lab it immediately in training mode or watch the replay to figure it out if its unsafe or when to duck or crouch etc.
Yes! As a Xiaoyu player (Eightykakes, XBOX), I feel I have to naturally adapt on the fly anyway. So when people quit that second match, I feel robbed of an opportunity to see if my adaptation skills are adequate. It’s no salt, just frustrating. “Oh, I didn’t enforce XYZ and they mixed me with this but I know what I need to do and… oh, they quit”. 😐
One issue I have with a “jail” matchmaking is that on the one map Fallen Destiny (or whatever it is called, the one in the middle of a storm at the ocean) I consistently get a fatal UE error that kills the game that I’ve tried so many fixes for and none work. Like quitting sucks but I don’t think there is a way to differentiate someone closing the game and it crashing so people could get the “bad apple” matchmaking through no fault of their own. It’s honestly the main reason I personally wasn’t playing much outside of player matches with friends cause I don’t want to start loading into a match and see that it is basically on a timer cause the random map we got is going to inevitably crash my game. I’m pretty sure it is an AMD issue but I don’t know and since the last time I played it wasn’t fixed.
AMD user here, and I have had absolutely no issues with the game or it crashing on me. This might sound harsh, but if a "jail" exists it exists to isolate the problematic players, then anyone should be included if they're crashing or disconnecting that much in ranked. Hope the problem gets sorted for you with a patch soon, tho.
I've stopped playing Tekken 8 now, but I experienced it on my Intel CPU and NVIDIA GPU setup.
Try adding "-sm5" to the game's launch options. Didn't crash on Fallen Destiny for some time. Card AMD 6900xt.
@@DeviloooCry I’ll definitely try that, thanks for the advice
I don't think he's talking necessarily about pluggers... he's talking about people just quitting after 1 or 2 games. If I get a straight disconnect I can't really be angry because there are so many reasons that could happen other than plugging..... However, when I'm in a match and they win the first, then I win the second in a very close great game... then they just scroll down to "next opponent" or "quit" or w.e it is..... there is nothing fuckin worse to deal with in a fighting game.
Generally, I think the best way to fight this problem is to simply allow players to see their opponents name, character, connection, and disconnect percentage and then let them decide if they want to play. Super simple, allows people to dodge characters they would DC against, allows everyone to see the rage quitters and avoid them, everyone's happy. Smash has the absolute worst online community. It wasn't always so bad, Smash 4 was good, but when Ultimate came out with the point system, just ruined everything. Almost everyone in Ultimate is a campy, rage quitting one and doner, its hilariously sad. Really makes me think the only thing that works for Smash players is hiding your ELO/rank whatever.
Take out seeing the character, and this is a good idea. People shouldn’t be punished for picking a character. Strong or not. That’s something that’s just in the game and you the player have to adapt to it until they change it.
@RanOutOfSpac I used to think that, but now I think it's a good compromise. I saw it work in Guilty Gear Strive, that's what changed my opinion. Ultimately, people not wanting to play with certain characters is a non issue, because if they hate them that much, then they are very likely to rage quit on them anyways. It saves time to simply allow dodging.
@@GawainSSB Good points. I still don’t like the idea, but can’t argue with that.
They should add a No-rematch rate next to the disconnect rate
Or maybe they should just make the game better 😂
@AsukasSlave whether the game is good or not, tekken 8 is very popular so there are people that will always plug or one and done
What I find more annoying then one and done is if they don't rematch after the 2nd match. Especially if you lost the 2nd match. @@AsukasSlave
Not everyone one and dones because they lost. Some ppl (like myself) will not rematch if the connection is wonky. It may say 5 bars when you accept, but then the connection begins dropping terribly or maybe they're glitching the game to drop the framerates (there's an exploit on this) or something of that nature. So I personally don't think that would be a good stat to measure whether you want to fight the next person or not 🙂
Or add a ft2 queue for ranked
The problem with locking someone in a first to 3 is that sometimes people have shit to do. I’ve had great matches that I couldn’t continue because something came up. I shouldn’t be penalized for that, because my only recourse in that situation would be to turn my console off instead of ending the match cleanly.
Terrible justification. If you have to leave mid set, leave with your game still going. Shit happens, you lose a couple points. Or quit out. If it’s once in awhile you won’t be penalized. Go the extra mile by messaging your opponent when you have a chance. But if you’re consistently too busy to AT MOST have 9 minutes of your time taken (3 rounds, 60 seconds each, best two of three) then another solution for you, don’t play ranked. Your life’s schedule isn’t important enough to ruin ranked for everyone else my dude.
@@RanOutOfSpac Holy shit go outside this is some extremely deluded thinking. People have lives
@@user-by6eb6zo7g Then go live it. I want to play Tekken.
@@user-by6eb6zo7g Couldn’t agree more.
@@user-by6eb6zo7g I partly agree. Shit comes up. But maybe you shouldn't be playing games if you're that pressed for time.
Basically hes explaining the mindset of the modern age gamer.. only interested in 'stunting' on people and pretending to be 'da best' they arent actually interested in becoming amazing , its all about how quick can u look like u own people .. and if they dont get that from any experience they will quit quicker than how quick their attention span is. Honestly it just makes me want to go offline and just play classic games for the rest of my life
It's why everytime I can send a msg with my matchmaking stuff in games it's "I hope we can both improve!" I don't really care as much about who wins or lose, I wanna try to do cool shit with my character and show off what I've learned - and sometimes get absolutely bodied by someone who also is showing off what they learned.
I remember when the game first dropped everyone was playing full sets. Even got friend requests from having good fights. Now its like a rare thing to play the full set in either quick match or ranked.
100% Feel the exact same way! They need to do a 5 round test run. 5 rounds offers enough time to adapt and mount comebacks. I also believe it will slow down the matches. Cause who wants to be down 3-1 or 4-0. Plus those comebacks would be epic to experience.
since its hard to decermine who quit, they should do something similar to the behaviour score from dota2. you start with a perfect score of 100%. every time a disconnect happens, both players loose points, every game that is played in full recopers your score a bit. the matchmaking system tries to match people with similar behavior scores. people that occasionally face quitters recover their scores, while the quiters score sinks further. it should be a bit more finegrained than that explanation, but thats the gist of it.
he's tlaking about people who play one match then click next opponent instead of rematch.... plugging is different... when someone disconnect you can't really know if they did it on purpose... Max is talking about people who play 1 or 2 games then quit because they know they can't use their shitting gimmicks and your lack of character knowledge against you if they keep rematching.... When I play someone who is obviously not a good player, and they beat me in the first game because they use one of the 1000's of gimmicks in tekken that anyone who isn't a 10 year legacy player won't recognize and figure out right away, then play again and win again in a very close match... they will quit because they know that if they keep playing they'll never win another game if they rematched 500 times.
I agree There also seems to be an issue where your disconnection rate goes up when people plug on you too 😩
All this rank problem is frustrating to me. Not just because I want more opportunities to learn not just character match ups and individual playstyles, but because I know those that are chasing points are trading short term gains for long term losses. Sure, they'll rank up quickly now... but let them get high enough to fight people that know what they're doing. If they're not going to take the time to learn the game as they rank up, I doubt they'll do it when they plateau. So it creates a frustrating online experience. I feel like I'm waiting for the rank chasers to quit playing, as they probably will long term.
IDK how these people look at their rank and feel any sense of accomplishment AT ALL.... people who do this have fraudulent ranks..... If they were to sit for 5 hours without quitting at all in ranked they'd lose 5 ranks within 3 hours and completely end the experiment and break their controller.... punks...... It's why I quit playing tekken... a game that has 5000+ different moves in which you have to know when the string ends... if it's negative 11 or negative13 to punish correctly, or if it ends in a high that you can duck.... having people quit after 1 or 2 matches just makes the game unplayable... ACTUALLY unplayable.. I love tekken... I think it's fun... I want to get better at it... but I haven't even bought tekken 8 because of this issue.... I won't do it to myself...
Didn't Harada say something recently about how todays generation of players don't have the competitive spirit that older generations had. This could be just how todays youth be.
And his generation doesn't have the love and compassion for video games they once did. They try to milk us with all these battle passes and microtransaction
It's not the kids who are plugging me and sending me death threats tbh, it's mostly adults who can't handle their own shit.
No the fuck it isn't it's the new games letting it happen
@sky-oq5mr and it works Just like with dlc 10 years ago We spoke with our wallets....and we paid for it People now accept dlc as the norm.look at the amount of reaction hype big and small channels do for new characters
@MrInsiipid right?? I have encountered online more millenials my age who sound unhinged AF then younger people
I totally agree. With tekken 8 making it so that you can only do a ft2 it makes it all the more frustrating when people win/lose quit on you. It makes sense to force a ft2 but then if there is lag detected to a significant level the players should be able to back out obviously. It’s all such a tricky thing to figure out
I fully agree. This game makes me rage like no other. I learn almost nothing getting gimmicked every game with no rematch when I finally win 1. I also love the idea of best 2 out of 3 instead of 1 win and an option to leave
its hard to learn match ups
I honestly noticed that the higher ranks I went up in Tekken, I found myself stuck with single matches with no rematches or people using the "no contest" system during the first match if things don't go their way. It definitely has been a pain to play especially when I want to get better.
that's because those scrubs don't belong that high up in the ranks, their rank is completely fraudulent.... How they can look at their rank with any pride AT ALL is beyond my capacity to understand. 1 match punks... 2 match punks..... just simply punks.
At the GSP I sat at in Smash I had very few issues, didn't play a whole lot online because the whole experience does need some work, but it really doesn't differ from any other game in terms of the BM and general attitude of players. If anything Tekken 8 has been 100x worse than my Smash experience
I super appreciate you saying that people with bad connections dont need to be put in plugger jail. Im rural and have the best internet that is available for my area. When tekken 8 came out i kept having issues with disconnect and just had to stop playing out of fear of being lumped in with rage quitters. While my connection is now more stable i have an issue where the game wont let me rematch around when i get to warrior rank. It just completely kicks me out of online after the error code.
YES. People rarely want to rematch and it's like, why the fuck are you playing this game then??
I quit the first match if I vs eddy😭 eddy is crazy to vs
Win or lose, eddy don't get a rematch
I feel that this game, like many other games that have ranked, have people so beholden to their position that of they would do anything to mitigate loss. I agree that there should be more stringent rules to abide by in rank to differentiate from casual matchmaking.
Self dignity/respect should regulate this.... It's actually sad that it doesn't. How these people can rise through the ranks to like.. say red rank... and think their skill actually represents a red rank skill..... If they were to play in ranked for 5 hours and be forced to never quit..... even putting a cap at a 0/10 loss THEN you can quit... even capping the shutout loss like that if they played one 5 hour session like this they would IMMEDIATELY lose at LEAST 5 ranks..... And if they did... that would represent their ACTUAL rank.... How people don't understand this is beyond me.... Their rank is a fuckin fraud yet they quit after a close game not to lose their fraudulent rank... How can anyone be that person.... It's cringy AF
I've always been a fighting game fan. I've just never knew where to find all the intricate data, or which combos to connect to others for longer strings ( I remember doing a bunch of googling at one point to just find mismatched information and gave up). So i'm just in this cycle of buying my favorites and letting them rust haha 😅
Rage quitting mid fight I’m 100% against and it should be met with harsh punishment. However, while frustrating, I don’t feel that people owe me a rematch. Everyone’s got a life, you never know what’s going on in the real world.
We love to see Reina on the thumbnail 😤
Queen of the Iron Fist
@@powerrangerrick4675 YESSSIRRRRRR!!!!
I have been really lucky, it seems: Most matches I have either rematch until the max, or end without rematch because we didnt have fun (the character was boring/upsetting to fight), no bm stuff
On the VS screen before the match starts, both players lose two sets worth of losing points. As points after winning are worth more, if you win two matches you're up, if you win one but lose two you're also where you should be. If you win one and back out you're still down, the person that stayed then gets their pot for the next set back so they are not penalised. Also, when entering Ranked you have to select One and Done, or First to Two. If you select One and Done your rank climbs at 1/3 the speed of First to Two, or they are two seperate leader boards. This could be implemented into any fighting game. Thoughts?
Over complicated
Both SF4 and later SF5 were massively successful with casual gamers. SF3 was the only Street Fighter game with a near exclusively hardcore playerbase
Sf5 was not popular and niether was 4. Capcom straight up said those games almost put it out of business until monster hunter world came out and saved em
@@sky-oq5mr You're clearly making stuff up. SF4 sold over 10 million copies (all 4 versions added together) and single handedly made fighting games mainstream again, and SF5 sold over 7 million copies by the end of 2022 despite being a flop from 2016 to early 2018.
@@lukejones7164 stop making up stuff buddy. Sale numbers alone are completely irrelevant in fighting games. Sale numbers can get boosted by a successful franchise’s title like DBFZ, which also sold more than 10 million and then there were like 2 full lobbies (128 people) in every region after a few months. Calling SF5 a massive success with any kind of gamers is a huge reach in itself.
@@ErmiGultro You are clearly in denial 🤣. Sale numbers ALWAYS matter in video games since they are the biggest sources for revenue in games besides post launch content. Capcom themselves acknowledged SF5 as a success in 2020, get real
@@sky-oq5mr lol what? SF4 revived the FGC
I share in your frustrations Max. I don't give a shit anymore about playing T8 online. It's gotten too toxic. I've hit my platinum trophy which is the only reason i was trying to play ranked and the other modes in the first place just to chase my trophies, The pluggers and abuse you get from players just turned me off playing online. People whingeing about Eddy, whingeing about people refusing to give you a rematch, just whingeing about all sorts of shit.... it hasn't turned me off the game but it has turned me off playing online, I love T8 dearly I think bandai did a terrific job on it. but I won't play it online anymore. I just play Player vs. CPU now. At least the CPU won't plug on you and doesn't carry on like a baby if it loses... and playing the ghost AI is basically like playing a human anyway as it's essentially mimmicking your play style =)
I’m surprised people aren’t just doing this (playing solely the offline modes) to begin with. 😏 I never play online strictly because of crap like this. I personally don’t have the patience to deal with rage quitters. The whole point of Tekken (if not all fighting games for that matter) is to learn and adapt. I’ve always played against the CPU or a friend IRL. You can still have maximum enjoyment without participating in online ranking, unless you’re doing so for the achievements.
As the noob being stomped, this is why I want surrender buttons in fighting games. I will not rage quit, but if I'm completely outclassed, I don't want to wait to look for a fellow noob I might stand a chance against.
then keep rematching, it's the only way to get better. I won't play tekken anymore because of the reason max is talking about... I stopped playing a few years ago because of this exact reason. But I AM playing MK1 now, and I'm playing people online who aren't great so I bug my friend every day to play because he can fuckin absolutely MOP ME 100-0 ATM..... but if I keep playing him he'll only mop me 100-10 and barely anyone else who plays his character would even have a fuckin chance against me. If ur being stomped then figure out why... adapt... Look for what ur getting hit by... then wait for them to do it again and try something you think might beat it.... and if that doesn't work... try something else until you find the answer... Once you do find the answer though, they'll just quit on you. 😅
I don't do this anymore but whenI started playing Tekken 8 i had never played a fighting game online before and didn't realize this was bad manners. I one and doned because my wrist was absolutely fucked after a single match until I swapped controllers.
Thank you for bringing this up Max because I literally was in another KZhead video comment section saying the same thing about why even play a fighting game if you were going to have a poor Sportman mentality and then be entitled about saying that you do not owe another person to rematch and how are you supposed to learn to get better if you were avoiding the characters that you hate to fight so much.
This happened heavily for me in MK1 too
Always re-match unless is super bad conexion, I personally don't even touch buttons after the round is over even mid combo I get the round, I just hold the controller and press nothing.
it also makes ranking up excruciatingly painful, because people kept on 1 and doning me to get from tenryu to Mighty Ruler it took me 5 hours. Just because I would have to go back to waiting for more matches and not get bonus points for winning a set.
Apologies for not being professional at fighting games. Not everyone who plays fighting games are in it competitive. also 6:00 is not true at all. I bought the game just to play the story mode and to not play Tekken 8 online. I enjoy it for the content and not competitive.
Then don’t play ranked. Aka competitive mode. That’s what player/casual matches are for.
@@RanOutOfSpac My point is I play the game offline period. I never buy fighting games for online play. Max is putting all casuals in one group that play online to not get better when most just play it to have fun and not to play it in some competitive way.
@@RanOutOfSpacyou often fight way better players than you in casual matches imo. I avoid casual matches like the plague. I’m not a plugger just throwing that perspective
Its not even about playing competatively. Its mostly about manners. If you win but 1 and done thats just rude. If you lose but 1 and done i think you should try again but i wont blame you. If you quit out mid match is where the problems lie.
@@rayjohnson863 He didn’t group all the casuals. He was just talking about the casuals that do play online. He also mentioned that the content that T8 has is what attracted the casuals in the first place.
Instead of actually helpful updates that address issues, we need more monetization and Bamco taking down mods. Current Tekken 8 is genuinely frustrating.
It's so interesting to hear this point of view. If you are new to tekken ranked just know that this has been the standard ranked experienced since Tekken 6. In Max is right this is also extremely rare in other fighting games especially to this degree. 1 outlier would be the Tekken 7 unlimited rematch which really made Tekken ranks bearable in 7 where you could find a great match up somebody close in skill and play against them for as long as they wanted to play you which usually could be 2 to 3 hours. I'm not surprised I hate to say it but this is not new this is actually something I would be shocked if it didn't exist in Tekken ranked.
Totally agree in the statements made in this video! Great points. I have even resorted to turning off cross play (I play on ps5) because even if people have good connection, it is a 50 - 50 if the person has a computer to even run the game properly and it makes the match unplayable. Being locked to 2 out of 3 in ranked is a no brainer if you ask me! As it stands ranked is just quick match with points.
If you believe it's the same as quick play with points, then it should play like quick play with points. And in quick play, Why would we ever be locked into the set? If they don't wanna continue, keep it pushing and go to your next match. It's not like people are waiting for 5-10 minutes per match.
Being locked in a 2 out of 3 works...until you're forced to play a set with shitty connection. That's just not fuckin fun for anyone.
@zuniversal1 or until you're forced to fight someone that just dropped the controller because they don't wanna play anymore. It says more about you if you'd rather deal with that then 20 - 30 sec of queue time to get another match.
@ibreakyou7134 Tbf it's definitely not 20-30 seconds. I stopped playing online partially because it took 5 minutes to find a damn game. Then the opponent plugged. 🙃
@@zuniversal1 I generally play overnight due to my work schedule and do not have long waits for matches, might be a you problem. And no one is defending rage quitters. Ban their asses.
my BIGGEST Problem is the crashing, Fallen Destiny & Into the Stratosphere ALWAYS crash mid match (PC), and before the dumb comments, YES, MY MACHINE CAN RUN THE GAME JUST FINE, 2k maxed out solid 60FPS, but those f***ng stages crash guaranteed
The only time I dont rematch is when the opponent is just trying to troll me and not actually play the game, or if the connection is just unplayable of course, if someone doesnt rematch after losing I just mutter "coward" and move on lol
Mortal Kombat Quitalities are the BEST answer to Ragequitting. Not winning anything because you finally adapted to the teabagger who ragequit while funny is still bad. You should always be rewarded for literally staying in the game. It just sucks that the engine sometimes can't tell who ragequit if both sides have bad wifi and that goes for a lot of games.
It do tells and after a match it says this persons left the game (well who every name it is)
The fact that you mentioned this coming from me who's a blue rank playing with other (some undeserving) people who's gotten a blue rank or higher with the reality of my game existing of one-n-doners is actually sad. Like I can't comprehend why everyone can be this scummy online while I'm on the other end even if I lose or knowingly play a losing matchup or against a better player but want an opportunity to learn while other people are the polar opposite and brag about their ranks.
Im SOO glad you posted this video. Ive played Tekken 7 since S3 and tekken casually for years. Lack of rematching just because i won or came close to winning makes me want to cry.
Go ahead and cry then. Blame the game, not the player
@@AsukasSlave game ain't forcing you to take your ball and go home homie, that's your choice because you're a poor sport lol.
@@AsukasSlavedude you're such a scrub, going around defending that cuz muh wins as if u got anything lmao
you get more points if you don't rematch plus it's a bit quicker. my thing is why do I HAVE to rematch? What if I feel you had a super annoying playstyle? why should I continue to play against a lei who just attacks then lays down then low attacks then gets you into a string? I'm THROUGH playing people like that. Why should I play you again if you keep ki charging,taunting,spamming parries,and backtracking only to attack as soon as I take one micro step forward? that shit is ANNOYING. When I beat players like that I leave. On purpose. To piss them off for playing like stone cold bitches. I would NEVER give a Leroy a rematch. why should I give ANY azucena player a rematch? they just gonna spam harder now. NOPE. go spam somebody else.
@@suntansuperman598 to get better? I get it if u don't wanna rematch people who are toxic, but not replaying against characters you don't like it's dumb. Like what even is the point? To get more points, what do the points even do? Let you play against better players, better players that you won't be able to beat cuz you're ass at the game and got there by not actually learning.
Biggest pet peeve in fighting games is when they win the first game then I win the second game and they leave for the third. FINISH THE SET MOTHERF#@$^ER!!!!!
The only time I quit a 3rd match was when someone Ki charged me over and over in the 1st match and I lost. So, in the 2nd round, I won, ki-charged and cancelled even though they quickly rematched. I don't want to give them the satisfaction to rebound from that wreckage.
Hahaha get rekt@@silenthero2795
Only times I don’t rematch: 1. Slideshow connection 2. Opponent’s rank is so much lower that I’d lose a massive amount of points if they just so happen to play a perfect game even though I’d only get like 90 for a win. Pretty sure I’ve only denied a rematch like maybe 5 times since launch.
Wait I thought there was a PC test when you start tekken 8? I vaguely remembering getting a score for it. I think it's more that people aren't adjusting the settings right?
heavily knowledge based game, Gives us take control feature in replay. OOPSIE WOOPSIE you cant learn the matchup against the DLC character
Thats why you dont rematch Eddy
Wait you can’t use it against DLC characters ??? No way lmaooo
This is why the current rematch limit hurts so bad: you meet someone really interesting and then after 2 close matches it's already good bye? Come on! I never felt like the unlimited rematches in T7 were a problem and in return got me some really nice sets. Bring those back!
The 3-0 thing just just happen to me the other day I was grinding out no.1 rank for Jin in wins it started giving me Raijin on their second characters. I'm generally between red and purple.
If you lose the 1st match and they wanna leave that's their decision. The choice is there specifically so if the match your playing is laggy your not locked into 2 matches of suffering. I'd rather it be like this than to be forced to play 2 matches.
Part of the problem, part of the crew. Part of the problem, part of the crew.
@RanOutOfSpac what absolute sheep mentality, that someone can't support the choice to not rematch. People are so soft these days.
I mean, the option to opt in to a mandatory bo3 or something would be nice. Its VERY evident that there's a hard divide between those who want to throw themselves into the grinder (me) and those who just want to see points go up (the fucking Bryan players who almost always dip cuz they didn't get a clean 3 round sweep on me) Especially for a game like Tekken, where matches and adaptations take way longer than most other fighters, the way it is now actively harms the game I feel
@Dasaltwarrior it does nothing to the game itself. The game isn't responsible for its player base, outside of accounting for cheating. If someone doesn't want to fight again, forcing them to be there opens up the door for petty players that will just taunt or drop the controllers. At that point, you're just wasting my time. Better that they just quit and I get my next match with another fighter. The block option exists for a reason.
@@ibreakyou7134 Makes sense. I’m the soft one for wanting more games in a set, win or lose. Solid logic brother.
One thing people seem to not grasp about these concepts is that, no, nobody is really entitled to a rematch or the runback for several reasons. Many folks usually go for the, "They do it to save their points/Rank", but consider that there are other factors at play besides just that notion: -Nobody's gonna rematch you if there isnt shit to learn. If you curbstomp someone ONCE, that match is enough to tell the disparities in skill between you and your opponent. Nobody's getting their ass whooped 20 times, winning 1, and claiming, "I've learned something", because you really didn't -You all know damn well a shit connection is not worth hitting Rematch when you either win or lose. No matter how many messages I get about, "Being a bitch" by my opponent, if I win or lose in a connection where it feels like I am submerged in flan, I aint rematching you, and to claim you haven't done the same thing is preposterous (Don't say it's "different", many of you are getting upset over not hitting rematches period) -Points and Rank don't mean anything if the person simply doesn’t care. Someone could simply just wanna play the game and play as many different characters as possible, but take a guess at how many folks either won't rematch because they run into the standard flowchart of each game hundreds of times (I play Ken, I KNOW people don't wanna rematch me in SF, for example).That's enough for them to not wanna rematch people because at that point, they simply don't want to fight the same character again despite possib running into another one, but it's not to insult the opponent. Even then, chances are they either will leave if they win or lose anyway, so taking offense to it is utterly pointless. I just wanna clarify that I get a bit disappointed for not getting rematches from good connections, but I don't care past that because, again, I am not owed a rematch or a set unless it's a tournament, so no reason to get upset about a "problem" that honestly isn't there besides actuam cheating or ragequitting, IMO.
“If you curbstomp someone ONCe, that match is enough to tell the disparities in skill between you and your opponent.” Highly disagree. Many people often have their default strategy which can also be referred to as a flowchart. Really good players are able to learn when the flowchart isn’t working and adapt. With that being said, it’s not uncommon for them to take a little longer. I have had times in which I get perfected and won the set, and have perfected people and they won the set.
@phabiorules You're saying that about people who don't WANT to learn anything past that, though, but I should've clarified a bit better. Sufficed to say, unless that person isn't actively pushing to get better and doesn't simply care to "git gud" (Max even said in the vid about those who simply want easy wins, because yeah, there are those who simply realize they aren't winning that match and don't care to rematch), yeah, they will be able to tell the disparity off of a single match. It obviously doesn't apply to everyone, but to say it ISN'T true is objectively false-newcomers who just started, but don't understand the nuances of the systems aren't going to "download" anything on their first go-around against someone who has a good/notable amount of leagcy skill and fundamentals, and even in today's fighting game world, it isn't something you get within a quick amount of time. They're likely to move on to the next opponent and find someone equal to their level instead.
"If you curbstomp someone ONCE, that match is enough to tell the disparities in skill between you and your opponent" So this is a matchmaking issue then, if the skill gap is actually that large. That's not related to whether or not a set should be played out. If anything, that's an argument for sets because it means they'll get out of this rank bracket quicker so you don't get matched with them again. If the skill gap isn't big and you're just getting knowledge checked then the idea of framing the one-and-done as "I can't learn anything" is ridiculous. If you wanted to learn then you would stay and try new tactics, especially with the replay system Tekken 8 has. You're not just playing against a character you're playing against a person, and people have habits you can learn. That's part of the game. "a shit connection is not worth hitting Rematch when you either win or lose" The only somewhat valid reason for the game to not force a set, but this shouldn't be the deciding factor. Ultimately it's on the game to mitigate lag-related issues, every other game has to deal with this as well. It shouldn't affect the design of the game modes themselves. "Someone could simply just wanna play the game and play as many different characters as possible" Sure, and if it doesn't happen then it is what it is, that's the luck of the draw. It's RANKED. You fight whoever you get matched with. By your logic we should be able to see the character someone plays in the matchmaking pop-up just because it would be more fun for these people. You see why that would be a problem though, right? People would just dodge matchups they're bad at and accept the ones they are good at. That doesn't make for a good competitive mode, and allowing people to choose who they rematch causes a similar problem.
I hate it to. I'm all about having a good fight and learning from experience. If I lose it just makes me wanna try harder. So many just wanna win even if it means spamming
I fought a Shaheen and the match was the Tekken I love. No spamming power crushing heat engagers. Just straight up making reads on each other. I won the first match using Claudio, he won the second match then I won the last match. All the rounds were close lol. Fun as hell
I only play ranked and I don’t always rematch. Sometimes I’m busy, sometimes I just don’t want to fight against that character again, sometimes I don’t wanna fight that specific player again because I don’t like the way they fight. The fact of the matter is that if someone doesn’t give you a rematch, you have no idea why unless they tell you. Yall are just assuming that they’re scared to rematch you when there’s countless other possible reasons. Get over yourselves and get out your feelings.
Very well said, and exactly what I came to say (albeit less eloquently). I've been on both ends of the one-and-done, and while I can guess why it happened to me, neither they nor I need to justify the reason for using an in-game feature. Getting angry that someone denied you a rematch is simply an ego problem.
@@Shade84 exactly, sometimes I’ve played a dozen Reina’s in a row and I just don’t feel like fighting another one lol. Or the bears (I always have, and always will hate playing against the bears 🐻 🐼 lol). I’m not running from an opponent because I’m scared lol, I’m just not going to continue to play a game if I’m not enjoying it. It’s crazy that so many people genuinely assume that everyone is just scared of them and that’s why they won’t rematch lol
This recently happened on one of Aruuu's Tekken streams. She was fighting someone, and then the person she was fighting quit. She was REALLY pissed off when that person quit.
Ok?
Wholeheartedly agree. It is so discouraging playing rank when people one and done you, because above all else if this happens often you end up spending more time waiting on opponents and loading into games rather than fighting. Another thing that pisses me off is that there's no easy way to deathmatch someone. How am I supposed to learn a new match up, when I need to add person to friends, go create a special type of lobby, invite them in and only then we can deathmatch - that's straight up stupid.
that's why I quit tekken.... in a game with 5000+ moves.... a lot of which are strings with multiple ending..... punishable strings or moves that you have to be able to punish with a specific 12 frame attack or 14 frame attack...... strings that end high which you can duck, or just block and be in a frame trap.... when people won't give you more than 2 games in an environment like that... It's just simply unplayable.... the game is unplayable because of the community, and it's sad because I have a lot of fun playing tekken.
@@upplsuckimcool16 dunno why you'd quit though. I just don't play ranked and mostly do deathmatches with my friends :)
@@mandatorycorpaccount I'm saying this as someone who NEVER played ranked.
The 200 hours spent with Tekken really made me appreciate coming back to street fighter.
I've been playing fighting games since decades ago during the 90s to early 2000s arcade days but I was always pretty casual about it. I just find it funny learning about fighting game players nowadays getting genuinely pissed about the dumbest sh8 such as something as simple the other guy not wanting a rematch. idk about people nowadays but if someone were to act legitimately salty in the arcade back then just because the other person doesn't want to rematch, everyone would laugh at them for acting like a child.
That's the weird thing. I grew up playing people in the arcades too and after I would win it wouldn't matter if the other guy left. You just say good game and that's that. I guess it's different when you're online and don't have to play again.
So it wasn't this toxic back then?
Nobody owes anyone a rematch. If somebody doesn't want to play you anymore regardless if they win or lose it's fine. People really need to stop thinking that everyone has to rematch them.
With that logic, one and doners aren't owed a single match at all, then. So where does that leave us?
@@runbaa9285 I'm glad the tekken devs are graciously donating matches with other people to me after I spent money on this game. There's just too many characters in this game that either are or can be made to be annoying to play against. Imagine beating level 1 of super mario brothers and then level 1 asks for a rematch, stomps you, teabags your corpse and leaves. You probably should have just taken your points, gone on to f*ck about with level 2 and not worried about how level 1 needs to grow as a mario brother's level.
U must be one of those people he’s talking about☠️🤷🏾♂️
@lazahriowilliams8724 No, I'm an adult.
This is also a big problem at the lower casual levels of Mk1. For instance Kung Lao, Nitara sun zero. All they want to do is jump in and mix in that with dive kicks. Once you anti air them they will still continue to jump or figure out ways to jump or jump at different times; but they won't stop jumping.😊
I can’t understand what’s so hard: if the game can’t figure out who disconnected then the match should start off with registering a loss for both players on the backend and then undoing it for the winner. Then if u plug mid match you still already lost
I like how i instantly knew the answer when he waited for that dramatic pause and when he said "they quit" i clenched my fist and sighed. feels bad man.
The lack of ARMOR KING
You get it
fr
More like balance….
They do have King with armored attacks!
I enjoyed the treasure hunt in T7 and the rank system for each character in it. I miss to offline level with character.
The only instances where I would cancel a rematch is when connection or their pc made the experience barely playable. The sad part is that not even being beyond blue ranks fixes this. People often scrub out even all the way up to TG. I hope things will get better over time.
9:06 Yes. Yes they do
Sadly, yup.
Mmmmm hmmm
My biggest problem is Tiger Jackson not being in a mainline game, instead we got busted Eddy with a tired haircut. Also Asuka got shafted in the story 😅
We got bigger problems then a costume that’s probably coming in DLC or battle pass 😢
Damn good video. I agree with the performance test for pc. The amount of laggy pc wifi even sometimes wired connections lag is crazy. As for the if people leaving set because they think they can be beaten. I agree it’s more frustrating than plugging. And I feel like, even if they had a stat that told me a set completion rate with the disconnection rate it would affect whether i play them or not. I’ve played people with 12+% disconnection rate and was more satisfied cause they finished the set. They could’ve just had bad connection at the time. Who knows.