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Selling "battle passes" that EXPIRE is just garbage. Making people play your game with FOMO is some real phone-gacha-game-tier stuff.
@ArassarАй бұрын
Completely agree, we should not give Tekken the wrong response and accept this bs. This is bad.
@DrakevidАй бұрын
I don't disagree, but putting the emphasis on 'expire' makes it sound like this is out of the ordinary? Expiring, temporary BPs are pretty much what BPs normally are, sadly. The ability to go back to and progress older seasons of BPs - removing the FOMO - is relatively new and I really hope they become the standard (well, assuming the alternative is 'no BPs at all', which would be nicer). The real kick in the teeth for me is that seemingly ALL of them are based around daily / weekly challenges. Instead of a BP just rewarding you for playing the game, you end up playing around the pass rather than playing the game as you normally would.
@WarMomPTАй бұрын
I'm not spending any money on coins before they stop these greedy practices. Let me buy 600 coins without having to buy 1000 coins...
@Ram2rolАй бұрын
Meanwhile, Deep Rock Galactic uses a free Battlepass and all its content gets cycled back into the main game.
@leithaziz2716Ай бұрын
@@leithaziz2716 For Rock and Stone!
@thingols_Ай бұрын
I don’t think he ever noted that the level 52 PREMIUM BATTLE PASS REWARD is a FUCKING untextured GREY ASSET BALL.
@alextheshrimp.Ай бұрын
and it's a great meme!
@Evilriku13Ай бұрын
@@Evilriku13 95% chance that ball becomes a beloved icon like three years from now
@SavianXАй бұрын
@@SavianXits literally a stock blender asset
@godofphartsАй бұрын
Thought the way he felt was self explanatory with his overall take of the pass. Over reacting over something insignificant to the overall point isn't necessary to everyone. Max seems to be one of the only people that can actually put together well thought out points and helpful critique and concerns without snowflaking out most of the time.
@blueisacolor7639Ай бұрын
@@blueisacolor7639what are you talking about literally everyone is calling out this Tekken 8 nonsense
@JustSendMeLocationАй бұрын
$70 games have no business having these things.
@EdmitsuАй бұрын
PREACH
@Arcade_KingАй бұрын
Maybe you're just too poor.
@philharrison2991Ай бұрын
@philharrison2991 you’re part of the problem mf. Also you look like you’re not allowed to be near school zones
@sebastianhermosillo828Ай бұрын
@@philharrison2991 maybe we Just don't want to get fucked over. If i buy a car full price i don't want to buy parts of its engine later so that It can now start to work
@SirVoltАй бұрын
@SirVolt a car isn't a video game. It's an automobile.
@philharrison2991Ай бұрын
This is ignoring the biggest issues with the battle pass. It’s a $70 game, with a cash shop, a battle pass, AND you still need to pay for new characters. They are quadruple dipping in a non F2P game.
@LucksualАй бұрын
No they aren’t lol. You don’t need any of the cosmetics so why spend the extra money?
@SquashMelendezАй бұрын
@@SquashMelendez If I spent $70 on this I should get every artwork in the game, they didn't do this in t7.
@maximumdeejayАй бұрын
@SquashMelendez yes they are. What you said makes no sense.
@Alex_BarbosaАй бұрын
They still gave you the full game with story mode etc. Like Tekken 7 you would have still needed to buy each character on their own after launch. Its such a hard one... do we want f2p games where we pay for everything piece meal? Or get most of the content up front and PAY for the additional live service of YEARS of content.
@ed61730Ай бұрын
@@ed61730 I get that they need to have monetization methods to keep the game going for years, but the problem is how many different ways they're trying to squeeze money out of ppl. If you're going to have a cash shop AND a battle pass, make future characters and stages free.
@LucksualАй бұрын
Remember the people that said $70 price tags would stop this sort of predatory behavior?
@goby1764Ай бұрын
I don't know if it's just me, but I don't remember many people saying that
@nerooyeye2196Ай бұрын
@@nerooyeye2196 it was a common argument point for $70 dollar games. The obvious component is that they're just gonna take the price increase and the predatory practices
@goby1764Ай бұрын
@goby1764 well, that actually makes sense. I guess just wasn't really tuned into the gaming community at the time. Also, I know that Namco made us pay for frame data, but I never really expected tekken to go down this road
@nerooyeye2196Ай бұрын
@@nerooyeye2196 Yeah, in particular I expected bandai to still be with the slimy practices.
@goby1764Ай бұрын
@@goby1764 it quite unfortunate
@nerooyeye2196Ай бұрын
They got rid of treasure battle just to make you pay for it through a battle pass, that's fucking pathetic.
@dahb00gst3r6Ай бұрын
Which sucks because I really like that mode. Fighting to get acessories with the chance to get rarer items after a few wins is such a fun idea to get people into playing the game and getting better as the cpu's get harder.
@Itachigan2222 күн бұрын
@@Itachigan22Yup, it was great and my most played mode when I wasn't in the mood for ranked. And now it's gone with nothing to replace it.
@krodmandoon347917 күн бұрын
Yeah wtf that shit should be free like previous Tekken games did 🤦♂️
@Walking-MY-Path14 күн бұрын
They hid all of this from the consumers so the reviews would be good. Then they sold soooo many copies and great reviews, they can drop this on us. It was surreptitious and grubby.
@parrisxsummersАй бұрын
same thing happened with SF6 too unfortunately
@M_CFVАй бұрын
I'm pretty sure the EU has laws against this kind of thing
@mastershake1071Ай бұрын
Yup, we could file a mass lawsuit here in the EU. It's customer deception. You can't hide such mtx until purchase, you have to be honest and upfront if your mtx are ready to go but withheld until after launch to prevent negative criticisms and drama
@xNachtmahRxАй бұрын
This is what companies do when they want the first month sales and the critical acclaim but also that extra money. Activision did the same shit with the remake of Crash Team Racing, they added a bunch of microtransactions and made it so you get much less currency for unlocking stuff well after the game got great reviews and sold well.
@okagronАй бұрын
Man the big 3 had everything… and they decided to flick the switch
@meat749023 күн бұрын
The problem isn’t even necessarily having a battlepass. It’s having a full price $70 game and jamming a crappy battlepass every other month that expires. You don’t have to buy it but it feels like a spit in the face when majority of players would happily pay money for actually good content/costumes but they chose to jam cheap thoughtless items that they can pump out for next to nothing and try to FOMO people into buying it
@TheFightConnoisseurАй бұрын
@@FirewynnTV wrong but u are half correct. you got the online unlock code when you bought the game. this was so that if u sell your physical copy the buyer would have to buy the online portion. this was during the time when companies wanted to stop people from buying second hand games. Now most people buy digital so i guess they got their way in the end.
@wexorinАй бұрын
You don't like the pass, don't buy it. You happily bought the game for $70, and you said you'd happily buy the costumes on the shop. You're not forced to buy the pass
@kylespevak6781Ай бұрын
@@FirewynnTVTag 2 on Wii U had online, all DLC, extra Nintendo modes and costumes, so...
@kylespevak6781Ай бұрын
@@kylespevak6781I don't play games with battlepasses, so give me the fucking option to not buy it in the first place shill
@rheawelsh4142Ай бұрын
@@FirewynnTVCame with my game at launch. Though I think Gamestop's policies had a high chance of that happening because they'd sell opened copies of the game as 'new' since they were either display copies or copies the employees tested/'borrowed' and kept sealed behind a desk. I've been to Gamestops where they purposely sold the 'display' copy first and just opened an unsealed copy afterwards to repeat the process since they never really got big shipments of games past the initial launch and whatever covered preorders.
@shinzero0271Ай бұрын
Bro... they give you new eye colors in the battle pass? The lack of eye color options was one of my biggest complaints... Guess we know why they were missing now 😒
@GuirkoАй бұрын
It's not even a good eye option. It uses the zaibatsu icon as the eye and it's red. I wish we just got color options for it
@liljon042Ай бұрын
People love to pull the "if you dont wanna buy it, just ignore it, who cares" card But intentionally limiting character creator options just to charge money for them later is SCUMMY. That scummy business decision negatively impacts the game itself, even if you choose to ignore it
@sefflikejeff1917Ай бұрын
I imagine its not just eyes, but the makeup options too. Why have seperate lip color options and not just a single option to change color on a color wheel? Its all gonna be fight pass BS
@mrdoctortonberryАй бұрын
@@sefflikejeff1917 I get it, but it’s just business to have things set up where you have the models made, it took some time and effort to get it made and now you can ship it every 2-4 months while working on balance patches, fixing bugs, creating characters while drip feeding people content who want it or don’t. But i’d only legitimately feel this way if it was instead handed out through a rewards system already in-game rather than a pay wall :/
@Iwatoda_DormАй бұрын
I’m not spending money on my avatar..😂😂😂
@majorlazor5058Ай бұрын
Love how the thumbnail looks like Eddy harshly judging the battle pass with Max being like "but hear me out"...
@Despots_Blitz86Ай бұрын
For real XD
@diablojimАй бұрын
Let's hear em out 😂
@furrywarrior7642Ай бұрын
You won the comment section for today
@Loz1719Ай бұрын
Not gonna lie I feel like they are adding a battle pass to everything honestly
@Angelhernandez-ei3yvАй бұрын
WTF is wrong with Eddy on the Thumbnail?😂
@nehemiahpouncey3607Ай бұрын
I want a Helldiver 2 type of battlepass. Permanent battle pass where i can take a break and enjoy life for a bit and come back to unlock them later.
@gakuyaxАй бұрын
Crazy that they're not even offering things as good as HD2 does when HD2 is a $40 game and you can earn all the premium stuff just by playing relatively easy. $70 just to get bent with a ton of micro-transactions is horrible
@HowIinАй бұрын
@@HowIin It's hilarious that you're comparing cosmetics to a battlepass that actually gives you gameplay advantages.
@SammysapphiraАй бұрын
@@Sammysapphirasay you haven’t played Helldivers 2 without saying it. You dumb as fuck if you think it’s pay to win when the weapons are side grades and not better then the rest and also are permanently there to grind, no fomo
@winterbourne2343Ай бұрын
Even Halo infinite lets the battle pass stick around, you still got to pay for it but you can just go back to it whenever
@flashtheshapeshafterАй бұрын
I've only played for 2 days and am already 25% on the pass. It's not that deep. If I would play for 6 hours a day for maybe 2 days would clear it easily. If you play 2 hours every 3 days you should be able to clear it easily. And otherwise don't buy the battle pass.
@DBTHEPLUGАй бұрын
I’m starting to notice how last generation, these games had rough launches but good post-launch content. So far these games are looking have great launches but rough post-launch content. What is happening?
@sunkistwavesАй бұрын
I rather give my opinion on that after 7 years. This TikTok generation likes to give their entire perspective on things 2 months after something that's supposed to be there for the next 10 years released...
@DBTHEPLUGАй бұрын
@@DBTHEPLUGI think that’s a pretty good stance to take generally. Peoples opinions shift so fast these days it’s nuts. I don’t think our brains are really capable of handling all the stimulation we’re receiving these days if that makes sense. For most of human history so much of what is relevant now didn’t exist so we haven’t adapted to it yet
@jeremyroberts8822Ай бұрын
@@DBTHEPLUGI'll be waiting with ya, after 7 years they gonna be like: Oh man, Tekken 9 sucks, Tekken 8 is so much better,... like clockwork.
@phantoan522Ай бұрын
@@phantoan522 Right.
@DBTHEPLUGАй бұрын
@@DBTHEPLUGIt's been MORE than 7 years though. Where have you been? Modern gaming has been adding more battle passes and DLC at launch but way less content.
@kachosuffer7Ай бұрын
Fighting games simply aren't built to have a battlepass. Fighting Game teams would need to invest heavily into having multiple different costumes for every character to really ever make them worth buying like ones in Fortnite. But even then, I don't see anyone purchasing these when the title was already 70 dollars with MORE DLC to follow.
@iiequinox8044Ай бұрын
Honestly SEGA can fix that with a new Virtua Fighter if it's free but given free online and few selected characters but single player and modes are paid except for arcade, 2p vs and training mode
@journie3042Ай бұрын
what's crazy is.... if they were giving you a battle pass full of new costumes... I would bet more people would buy it and they would make money, but these companies are run by greedy corporate robots who want to operate on as little cost as possible
@shinanimedubs1269Ай бұрын
@@journie3042 Sega … it’s them who made people pay for a game+ on Yakuza ?😂
@lesbonsamis8171Ай бұрын
@@lesbonsamis8171 it is scummy but if VF is free then it wouldn't be a problem
@journie3042Ай бұрын
@@journie3042 SEGA won't fix shit, are you even paying attention to what they are doing? They will monetize twice as hard. Truth is, as long as it sells, it won't get fixed by any big company.
@lucastonoli3256Ай бұрын
I think this is going to lead Tekken down the same road that street fighter went down. Both games really, desperately want you to care about the avatar stuff. They want to sell you that gimmick so badly. The problem is that in leaning so far into it as a form of monetization they just kind of make us not like it and it drives us back towards the main part of the game. I can’t count the times where I’ve seen that the Street fighter social media pages have put up a new post only to find out that it’s yet again a notice about gear for a part of the game that a lot of people haven’t thought about in months unless it’s to directly criticize it for being so greedy. I can't imagine Tekken will be any different.
@SirLightsOut99Ай бұрын
in some fairness people actually use the battle hub and i see people fight with their avatars constantly. T8 on the otherhand... uh they just walk around i guess. I would like to say nobody cares about SF6 avatars but for better or worse there is clearly an audience there.
@joedatiusАй бұрын
They want people to use avatars so badly and yet they messed up the freaking system because you can't even have multiple special moves with the same input (for example - I can't use Hadouken and Quadriga simultaneously because they're both quarter circle forward inputs, even though one uses punch and the other, kick) because of the modern controls.
@Original_KatrosАй бұрын
I don't even go into the Lounge at all anynore. I couldn't care less about avatars in this game.
@Vespyr_Ай бұрын
The problem is that SF6 has custom player characters, while T8 are XBox Live avatars, no one cares about that shit.
@ProxyDougАй бұрын
@@Original_Katros yeh that is weird but id be lying if i said it ruined the entire system since i constantly see people with cray unique combos and weird shit. hard to be too mad at it when no other game in the whole genre even tried to do anything like it.
@joedatiusАй бұрын
This game is already $70 with a season's pass, there was no reason to randomly Shadow drop a battle pass without telling anyone!
@flashtheshapeshafterАй бұрын
$70 game with a battle pass sums up everything wrong with the games industry
@js-ro5jkАй бұрын
Most battlepasses don't go over well. The FGC went from eating to being preyed on.
@bazzfromthebackground3696Ай бұрын
Eating to being eaten oh no 😢
@TheVanOvanShowАй бұрын
Vast majority of battlepasses go over more than just fine. That’s why they still exist
@arpadszabo661Ай бұрын
lol, the FGC has been getting preyed on for years and they just smile and take it.
@wood1066Ай бұрын
@@arpadszabo661 Yeah it's mainly FGC is now having to deal with the big franchises getting one and they don't like it. It sucks to say but Battlepasses are honestly here to stay for most multiplayer online games since it's a long term way to keep earning money.
@JojoDigitalArtistАй бұрын
FGC is still eating, we've just got a dish to avoid like the plague now. The steak is still there, with rollback netcode sauce on it and everything.
@buns9022Ай бұрын
This greed started with 2k other gaming companies are noticing that 2k is taxing their community and receiving no backlash due to 2k having a monopoly on simulation basketball I beg for the tekken community to stand against this we don't need another company prioritizing profit over the player experience
@andrebivinsjr.3859Ай бұрын
Most gaming companies seem to only care about the money nowadays and don’t care about backlash unless it’s massive amount like the battlefront 2 EA situation. Sadly there’s also a lot of bootlickers “it only cosmetics and cheap” or whatever just sad.
@darthronin808Ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure FIFA figured out how to nickel and dime their players on a full price game years before 2K, But yes they will only do this kind of thing as long as the player's let them get away with it
@jacklaika1596Ай бұрын
The thing is, the majority of the people who play FIFA, 2K and the like, are very disconnected from the rest of the videogame industry. They are the ones who didnt know what an rpg was until skyrim came out. With that being the case, they were more susceptible to falling for shitty money grubbing because they werent really aware of how bad that is. Its like how mobile games made so much money because even grandpa who has never touched a gamepad will try Candy Crush and possibly spend money on it because he has no idea how bad that is.
@slinkyslink5161Ай бұрын
@@darthronin808Nowadays? They just come up with new ways to get your money but nothing has changed
@Nzosaba_MatengeАй бұрын
The problem with "that greed" is that is not neccesarily greed, games and some industries have been struggling on the inside, this of course doesnt justifiy some tactics but essentially the bad practices have tainted some average practices or just neutral tactics as bad, I dont think every person in the industry is greedy but also I have never met any dev swimming in money or for that fact seen that money myself and I have 8 years working on games... I feel anything other than premium 60 is getting the bad eye, but in this economy after 20 years of selling games at the same price almost, premium 60 IS NOT a sustainable model for a company even indies. That said sure there are execs that use this as a justification to milk the other models but instead of asking the removal of other monetization models why not ask for its regulation? People like to pretend games are not expensive or expensive to make... As well, this is a 2 sided issue
@EstebanBrenesVАй бұрын
I miss Tekken Tag 2.
@vincentfalcone9218Ай бұрын
fuckload of content from get go
@darkspyro1991Ай бұрын
Tekken Tag 2: Wii U Edition
@dannybootsАй бұрын
Buy it physical for 5$ and play it online on your Series X
@thegamegatsby4483Ай бұрын
I've missed that game so much that i bought a PS3 again
@hatchhyjack28 күн бұрын
I last played it around 2 years ago but my PS3 died tt2 was a wild game
@pablogats462724 күн бұрын
You remember tekken tag tournament 2? Customization was amazing no dlc needed
@mishimakazuya6167Ай бұрын
Keep in mind, Tekken Tag 2 came out in arcades more than year before the console release. It actually got an updated arcade version that added more content and then the console version came out that added even more. Console Players basically got the Tekken equivalent of Super Street Fighter 2 for their launch while the arcade already went through SF2 and SF2: Turbo.
@shinzero0271Ай бұрын
Right, it was fun and it only needed creativity
@pretty-pink28 күн бұрын
it wasn't that good, however, decals? that changed everything!
@shvy10025 күн бұрын
@@shvy100 tekken 6 had the goat customization mode for me, wish they brought it back and added the decals from tt2
@pablogats462724 күн бұрын
Tekken 6 had the best one for sure 👍
@Walking-MY-Path14 күн бұрын
If my avatar could play the classic Tekken games in the arcades, I'd invest in such a feature more.
@travismarxo2836Ай бұрын
I just want a stage with everyone's avatars in the background, or something that makes customization of your avatar worth it.
@jack-o-lanterns-dbdclips6995Ай бұрын
the fight lounge is the most pointless waste of memory on my harddrive ever
@iskalleyАй бұрын
A lot of the customization pieces in the Fight Pass were in Tekken 7 by default. So they literally took them away so they could turn around and sell it instead.
@AgentZombieManАй бұрын
Soul Calibur has been doing this for years, except instead of a battle pass, they sold these recycled items in DLC packs. Some items are so old that they seem to retain their shitty geometry and textures from the PS2/PS3 games they originated from. They even ripped pieces from Tekken characters and sold those in a DLC pack.
@Mick0ManiaАй бұрын
Thats like saying all the characters in Tekken8 are in Tekken7. As long as they remodeled them which I imagine they had to for a new engine and to match the game graphically, whats the issue? They made 2 assets. One for Tekken7 and one for Tekken8. It just looks the same.
@TheBananaThugАй бұрын
@@Mick0Mania You'd think they'd try NOT to copy their other franchise that they probably killed....
@dustincarter9334Ай бұрын
But did Tekken 7 have the white sphere!? I'll await your apology
@DOSFrostАй бұрын
@@Mick0Maniasoul caliber is dead tho lmao
@cloudcoastgamingАй бұрын
BTW you need to know something: The battlepass requires online matches to level up/progress through it, so if you never play online (like I do) it's literally impossible to level up and earn anything
@THEELEMENTKHАй бұрын
Playing fighting games offline in present day 2024 AD is crazy, kind of a personal problem
@rainierzx9677Ай бұрын
You can fight your friend in unranked 1v1s and get it all done. I got my challenges done by accident just playing against my friends
@Ehhhh.hАй бұрын
@@rainierzx9677sometimes lag and pluggers annoy you so much you need to get that smooth offline vibe, like being a kid and playing Tekken 5
@10.ikadekanandadwipayadnya83Ай бұрын
@@10.ikadekanandadwipayadnya83 Also if you have enough FGC friends nothing is more fun than having offline sessions. Mostly what I do in tekken these days as I don't want to grind ranked for both T8 and SF6
@mglikeabossplaysMCАй бұрын
@@rainierzx9677the majority of fighting games I play are only offline with my brothers (mostly) and some friends, there is nothing wrong with offline only
@TheReapingToastАй бұрын
At 11:28, we are watching a KZhead video of Max watching a KZhead video of PhiDX watching a KZhead video
@simonr344Ай бұрын
KZheadception lol
@renslo689Ай бұрын
*BWAM* 😂😂😂
@twistedgambit9084Ай бұрын
Original content everyone!!
@DL-zq5ieАй бұрын
@@DL-zq5ie "disseminating information"
@thecoffeeshrine2062Ай бұрын
Describing Tekken being out of its “Honey moon phase” is perfect started out so good and just came to a screeching halt
@deez8060Ай бұрын
So 4 months is the shelf life of a honeymoon phase? Seems about right
@HillthugstaАй бұрын
@@Hillthugsta 4 Months ? Tekken 8 has been out for like 2 months and a few days at best.
@VerGiLL1Ай бұрын
@@VerGiLL1 I forgot when in JAN it was released. Also forgot this month just started In a way. That makes it worse.
@HillthugstaАй бұрын
And Describing Harada being our Dad giving us what We Don’t want. Dad: No Complaining, Son.
@unclepaul1995Ай бұрын
Still very upset that out of all the things to lock behind a premium pass they chose character artwork. That Azucena art at tier 11 looks amazing but I refuse to spend $10 just for like 3-4 art pieces
@mrdoctortonberryАй бұрын
And Harada still upset about People asking Him for Shit.
@unclepaul1995Ай бұрын
I’m paying 6 for the customization parts lol.
@sunnymaneАй бұрын
@@unclepaul1995 "Don't ask me for ACTUAL QUALITY BATTLE PASS CONTENT"
@maximumdeejayАй бұрын
Glad now people are speaking up about things in the game. I love Tekken but Tekken 8 is missing things.
@KingJaeTVАй бұрын
It finally got to max lmao
@darkshat3077Ай бұрын
honestly, buying a battlepass in your 60/70$ game is beyond moronic. you're getting dumped with the F2P plebs. if you pay for that you are, in fact, the problem with this industry. edit: of course all the battlepasses suck, no game designer has ever uttered the word "battlepass". they don't exist to make anything better.
@AlexanderMartinez-kd7czАй бұрын
The later half of the video really opened my eyes to Tekken’s complexities. The part with Lars especially made me realize that Tekken becomes more interesting because of what you can do in a 3d space. I’m a fairly new player. I’ve been around for the last few months of 7, and now in 8, although I enjoy it, advanced techniques both vexed and intrigued me to no end. With these recent changes, however, it makes the game streamlined for new players like me but removes the cool elite shit more skilled players can do. I dont want this game to play like a 2d fighter or a bs 50/50 fest like tag fighters. I want to play Tekken.
@MobDraws69Ай бұрын
I've been playing Tekken since Tekken 2 and this is the first one where I'm actually thinking about skipping it. It is definitely a 50/50 fest with heat. Too many safe moves in heat, heat engagers, heat cancelling, inputs are super easy....I agree. I like games where there are things that only a few people can do because they require so much skill.
@omegaweapon116Ай бұрын
I'm thinking of quitting, heat ruins the game
@GS-kj5pcАй бұрын
Tekken 8 taught me buying games at launch is as bad as pre ordering.
@EdmitsuАй бұрын
That's the stupidest fucking take I've heard today
@anthonybrothers744Ай бұрын
It taught me buying games within the first two months of launch is no longer an option. Publishers will not only give incomplete copies to the reviewers now, they'll wait a month or two before they sneak this stuff in. I can't trust that the game I'm buying at launch is the same game as two months later.
@NemcoificationАй бұрын
@@Nemcoification It's optional content. You are required to spend exactly $0 to continue playing the game. Why don't you understand that you're not entitled to things you haven't purchased?
@brandon27025Ай бұрын
@@Nemcoification Sneak in a mediocre battle pass that's only 15 dollars? Or a few awkward balance changes because they are trying to figure it out too? Yeah still a really corny awkward take. Buddy Tekken 8 slaps. This community is so probably the worst fighting game community there is. It's just nothing but bitching and whining about anything and everything.
@anthonybrothers744Ай бұрын
Took you a while to learn that. Don't pre-order games has been a saying for a decade
@clumsyturtle8544Ай бұрын
They already said the stage hazards were an oversight and they are working on a hotfix. Should've never happened but im optimistic they'll fix it soon.
@MrMooMoo088Ай бұрын
The worst part is that people are dumb enough to complain about the stuff they buy. As long as people are more concerned with consuming than not, the microtransactions will only get worse.
@etl2474Ай бұрын
Typical “i hate how overpriced my new iPhone that i’m currently holding in my hand is but 14 is so last year” people
@arpadszabo661Ай бұрын
thing is tho, to me, fighting games are unique. sometimes i feel if people dont buy a fighting game, japanese companies go "oh i guess people dont want fighing game no more." Tekken might be slightly different, but there was a reason there was such a big gap between SF3 and SF4 but also i stopped buying new games after sf5 first came out so im actually with ya lmao. i might check VF6 and City of the Wolves once they release
@TVindustries5000Ай бұрын
These moronic types of comments need to end. 🤦 Stop trying to conflate the people who complain with the people that just buy the thing.
@Meldrick-jv7syАй бұрын
the classic "the internet is one person" comment. i knew i'd find it here somewhere
@eusouocarameuirmaoАй бұрын
@@Meldrick-jv7syLotusAsakura literally released a video complaining about the shit battlepass AFTER he bought it
@ItsYuhBoyyyyАй бұрын
They're looking at the wrong games to study how battlepasses become worth the money, Instead they should look at the one game that popularized it & see how they still made it worth the price for the last 6 years. Max should revisit Fortnite if he ever wants to make an opinion on how to make FG passes better.
@TheNeon-rh4kkАй бұрын
Great take
@channelhorror1174Ай бұрын
Nice.
@dhantefranklin336Ай бұрын
or they could take a page out of Helldivers 2's playbook and make ways to earn the paid portion of the BP by playing the game AND by removing the FOMO of an expiring BP.
@shawnfee9107Ай бұрын
Fair enough
@sunnymaneАй бұрын
Amazing video. I hope the developers listen to this
@Kizzie_KayАй бұрын
That price is what really sucks the most. The fact that those like two decent items are now stuck in a overpriced temporary grind fest is annoying too but the prices aren’t even good. I would be spending way more money on simple cosmetic DLC in games if they were actually a fair price like before. Each Mii Costume in Smash is like $0.75 and cuz of that, I’ve spent money on tons of costumes over time.
@teo9532Ай бұрын
It wasn't that long ago that you could get 3 costumes for $6 in MK11. Now one costume for one character in a fighting game can cost $5 - $15. And the idea of battle passes always bothered me. You have to pay money to get premium items, then you have to unlock those items within a time limit or you lose them. So you're not actually paying for them, you're paying for the chance to get them. Which means you're SOL if you're a casual who doesn't play often enough, or if you have a busy schedule. What's worse is that you can't even buy these things directly. You have to buy currency. So you could have some annoying left over currency, or you could be just short of what you need so you have to buy more than you want, or you might be tempted to spend extra because you get "free currency" when you buy larger bundles. Feels really scummy all around, and makes me actively avoid spending money I normally would've. Just give me a pack full of stuff at a solid price and I'll buy. At this rate, I'll be avoiding the next Tekken, Street Fighter, and Mortal Kombat.
@JV571Ай бұрын
100% agree, i’m not strictly against microtransactions. It’s just how they implement it what puts me off (battlepasses, rounded up currency packs, overpriced skins). I feel mk11 did it the correct way. You could viably earn currency in game and prices were reasonable
@sammythijs8641Ай бұрын
at that point you'd just stop playing the game after realizing that.
@TalesofaweedsmokerАй бұрын
SF6 with their $20 costumes is just criminal. I’ll spend $5 on a really good one and feel dirty about it, but no way I’m spending the price of a AA game for TMNT Leonardo.
@majorlazor5058Ай бұрын
Since when does a dlc character ever cost more than like 5 or 7 dollars? But overall, I agree with you.
@Meldrick-jv7syАй бұрын
I suggest that we all just don't buy. If they don't make enough money doing this, it will stop. Vote with your wallet.
@AngeloGeneАй бұрын
Unrelated but Tekkens Soundtrack is the first thing that made me want to play this game. GOATED.
@carmelodadude2365Ай бұрын
Its amazing
@wavecontroller5647Ай бұрын
This compared to granblue's battle pass. Which you can pay with flat out cash not points for one. You get audio tracks you can use in battle unlike SF6. You unlock background challenger screens for characters, colors, and weapons. You get special titles to show off with your name. The final thing for the battle pass is a full blown skin for a character. I think it's the most well done version of a battle pass I've seen yet.
@SpickalotАй бұрын
Yeah GBVSR did it the best so far.
@GGeofreedАй бұрын
Do u get the next bp funded if u finish the Pass?
@newphonewhodis7152Ай бұрын
@@newphonewhodis7152 You straight up buy it with real money. There's no premium ingame currency to get back for the next pass. Rising does have a f2p currency ingame called Rupees you can grind and use for DLC though.
@JP_KIАй бұрын
@@newphonewhodis7152 unfortunately no as there is no premium currency
@UoooooooooooohАй бұрын
@@newphonewhodis7152 Ohhh umm not really. I think so anyways. I havent played GBVSR in a long while. Focusing on SF6
@GGeofreedАй бұрын
Nah fck this game then, FOMO battle passes for full priced games is not something that should be normalized in fighting games even if it’s too late. I feel disappointed.
@DrakevidАй бұрын
Well, have fun not playing any fighting game in the next few decades
@arpadszabo661Ай бұрын
@@arpadszabo661 I already have plenty of SP games to play anyway. I will still probably play it since I bought already and can't refund it, but it's probably my last entry in the franchise. The same way I gave up on the Sport genre altogether, it seems FG are next.
@VerGiLL1Ай бұрын
@@arpadszabo661 At this Point that God for Fightcade and Emulation
@SuperFusionAJ93Ай бұрын
Well, they got your money already, so you can go and kick rocks somewhere until you aren't angry anymore, which will be in like, 2 days. See you back in Tekken 8 by then.
@DBTHEPLUGАй бұрын
@@arpadszabo661Casuals are leaving Tekken 8 because some external battle pass exists outside of the space where they are spending 99% of their time: Practice mode & Online ranked matches.
@DBTHEPLUGАй бұрын
I think battle pass is inherently a bad combination with fighting games. They can't lock out Characters like shooter that's insane. Customizations are bound to be lack lusters. Also what kind of challenges can you get with fighting games. Win a match?
@Average.writerАй бұрын
Go play VF4 Evo quest mode, it has requirements during a match that u can decide to complete or not, it can earn golds that u can earn to unlock stuff like costumes parts, unlockable wallpaper, music, old stages and stuff. There's more to it but since a new VF will be announced this year. Will see how they do a new one albeit in an online environment
@journie3042Ай бұрын
@@journie3042And it worked SO well for Virtua Fighter, because each character has their own individualized options, there weren’t sharing pieces like Tekken is doing. If Tekken were going about it like they did back in Tekken 6, where like Virtua Fighter, each character has their own style and it was reflected in their customization options, the battle pass might have been more welcome, but the rewards are absolute trash, save a FEW items. I always liked Virtua Fighter 4 because of how unique the characters and their styles were when it came to customization. The generic-ness of Tekken 8’s customization is just crazy, when you think about that, and I’m not sure why they thought a battle pass was needed, when they could have effectively did what MK1 is doing, and just had a leveling system that rewarded you for actively using your mains, which you were guaranteed to do, because that’s the point of having a main.
@dojacow6645Ай бұрын
@@dojacow6645 i honestly didn't know people didn't like Tekken 8's customs
@journie3042Ай бұрын
Bamco sent me on a roller coaster of emotions when I saw eddy was out, and then I saw the battle pass and my good mood was slapped down like a drunk parent hitting their baby
@DaviddeBergeracАй бұрын
I’m so tired of buying fighting games for full price. It just doesn’t seem worth it to me.
@connorstephens7467Ай бұрын
Battle passes and cosmetics in a full price game is such a slap in the face.
@shinkenrockАй бұрын
Dude, it's a one time purchase of 10 bucks, long as you play the game, you never need to pay for another one. 10 dollars for free cosmetics until the end of the games lifetime is pretty good.
@IntertwiningRosesАй бұрын
it's the fallout of the "it's just cosmetic" crowd
@Rio..o7..Ай бұрын
@@IntertwiningRoses you are just assuming future battle passes also will cost 600 credits or future battle passes also includes 600 credits there is nothing that can make bamco unable to change future costs or rewards of battlepass since they can just give the excuse of "oooh this new battlepass have more quality blender-unreal engine sphere so fuck it 1200 credits"
@Gilded30Ай бұрын
and that is the problem right there. The excuse is for full price games. The whole point of games is to make money. Regardless if it is a full price game or free to play game because latter is worst than the former. To this day unless this stuff is being force upon you. I do not see why people cannot ignore that crap and just play and pay for what they want. Do not want to pay than do not pay and move on. All you going to do push them to find another way for them to push some type of monetization.
@TheBlakamon15Ай бұрын
@@Gilded30😂😂😂
@nickming8738Ай бұрын
Remember when Smash Ultimate had dlc of 10 fighters,each with their own stages and sets of osts,cost less than Tekken 8's battlepass and yet offered more content without the need of microtransaction Both games were developed by Namco btw and yet the major difference is Namco is now in more of a pickle with two of their other live service projects not reeking in profit so they rushed in the tekken shop right alongside eddy to get the cash rolling while t8 is still in its honey moon time
@GanonAutumn777Ай бұрын
Also it helped that Sakurai was in charge of smash's development.
@TonyJennАй бұрын
Remember when all you had to do was use every character in arcade mode to receive more characters and stages? And it was free?
@XiaoFuryАй бұрын
Even a couple mii costumes came with their own music. And they were like, 75 cents each.
@megablueflash1816Ай бұрын
Where you from that $25 is cheaper than $10?
@AntonioGonzalez-ht5ckАй бұрын
@@AntonioGonzalez-ht5ckfrom a place where the $25 has 5 characters + stages. $5 per character pack. Where are you from
@tvoltageАй бұрын
The issue with Tekken 8, is that there's too much flashiness. Heat bursts, heat dash, wall splats, floor breaks, wall breaks, balcony breaks, etc. The activations on some of these things should be toned down a bit, I agree. But, the issue is, like what everyone is saying is visual consistency and clarity.
@Burning_TyphoonАй бұрын
I don't care how much effort they put into the battle pass items, I don't want a god damn battle pass in my seventy dollar video game It's an instant dealbreaker I'm not playing Tekken
@lovelydumplingАй бұрын
The fact that they did the battle pass AND the store is extra egregious. One was bad enough, but thwn they had the nerve to not only do both, but undercooked each on in it's own unique and shitty way
@shrunkenderpАй бұрын
While I agree, most games that use Battlepasses for cosmetic things do it alongside a store as well. It gets worse when they add multiple in game currencies that can only be purchased in packs that ensure you either have to spend more than the actual cost of the one item you want and the remained of the currency generally won't be enough for another item you want so you'll have to do it again.
@shinzero0271Ай бұрын
@@shinzero0271yeah but those games are usually free. The triple dipping is wild to me
@shrunkenderpАй бұрын
People turning on a game after the initial launch is nothing new, but I genuinely hope they learn from the backlash here. I love this game and I just want the best for it and the community.
@samproctor6826Ай бұрын
its not going to improve and its only going to get more scummy in design never love a product, always be able to quit it when it no longer respects you or your time
@marcusclark1339Ай бұрын
@marcusclark1339 Never letting yourself enjoy something is not for me. But you do you.
@samproctor6826Ай бұрын
@@samproctor6826depends on what it stands for, this stands to prey on the weak that'll defend it no matter what. I've been with Tekken since 3 and knew it was going down hill at 7. Skipped 7 after a month. Tekken 8 lasted me 2 months I'll skip this one too. If not they will never learn. They want the people that'll be stupid enough to stick with it.
@sky-oq5mrАй бұрын
@sky-oq5mr That's fine if you don't want to support it, that's fair. All I'm saying is I'm still enjoying the game despite it and I'm thankful that people with a platform are airing their concerns plainly.
@samproctor6826Ай бұрын
@@samproctor6826 And people will rightfully tell you you're playing into why corporations feel it's okay to be scummy like this
@JFirecrackerАй бұрын
I'm sorry this entire update is dogshit. Especially the wall break situation, which literally broke the game in this new update. Nobody asked for a godamn battle pass. WTF is Tekken 8 doing?
@KamiKoroshi_Ай бұрын
Bamco, just make DLC costumes that matter, not battle pass. That's it, that's all it takes. Battle passes are fine for free to play games, not a $70 launch game
@sodamustdie4372Ай бұрын
Are You asking Harada for Shit?
@unclepaul1995Ай бұрын
@@unclepaul1995 Yeh 😂
@sodamustdie4372Ай бұрын
@@sodamustdie4372 Good Luck letting Harada beating You Up.
@unclepaul1995Ай бұрын
@@unclepaul1995 🤣, if he does that, Imma use his weakness: taking his glasses off
@sodamustdie4372Ай бұрын
@@sodamustdie4372 I see.
@unclepaul1995Ай бұрын
In b4 everyone gets over it and the standard response to stuff like this is "what, are you poor bro?"
@astrospectАй бұрын
Lmao the thumbnail said "☝️🤓"
@MoyLoafАй бұрын
🤣
@nikkobird590Ай бұрын
Lmaooo
@tmifb9926Ай бұрын
lmaooooooo 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@yusram8182Ай бұрын
Max made many Videos about Battle Passes. Many Rant Videos about Battle Pass, and they still putting Battle Passes in Modern Games. Rant Videos did Nothing. Dev ignore us, thinking that Money Over Fans. Even the Angry Fans.
@unclepaul1995Ай бұрын
Yes.. is this zoomer humor? Just emojis of the thing? 😴
@hyperrealАй бұрын
I think the way I would have approached the stage interactions is not change how they where working, but apply additional scaling when they are utilized. That way it isnt as 2-3 touch, but you get to keep all the cool flashy creativity.
@ODDiSEE_Ай бұрын
That actually seems like a better solution than what they did
@nerooyeye2196Ай бұрын
I think people misunderstand that flashiness and cool looking stuff one of the pillars of this Genre is. If it makes less dmg but looks cool, ill still strive to make it happen
@newphonewhodis7152Ай бұрын
13:20
@twistedgambit9084Ай бұрын
@@newphonewhodis7152STRIVE 😂😂😂😂
@twistedgambit9084Ай бұрын
@@twistedgambit9084
@newphonewhodis7152Ай бұрын
Harada...what have you done...
@95hueАй бұрын
Stop Asking Harada for Shit. Harada hate Peoples asking Him for Shit.
@unclepaul1995Ай бұрын
MURRAYS VISION
@yatheo2969Ай бұрын
*Mr.Krabs voice* Money!
@Black_AcesАй бұрын
@@Black_Aces Namco is Mr.Krabs, Capcom is Mr.Krabs, Disney is Mr.Krabs, I’M MR.KRABS! Is there any more Mr.Krabs I should Know about?
@unclepaul1995Ай бұрын
First street fighter, then (allegedly) Dogma 2, and now THIS?! Pray they don't have the same thoughts process for monster hunter 6
@Panzerschreck9Ай бұрын
“The future is now old man!”
@thathomiefoxАй бұрын
Have you played dmc 5 / 4?? Or perhaps the last two monster hunter games?? Capcom been on this shit for years brah nothing is gonna change
@mydrillasanjay5397Ай бұрын
it's happening what happened to SF6 and Mortal Kombat ... Greedy management from the top dogs of the company. This is Bandai execs doing, and the TEKKEN team can do nothing to stop them because they don't have enough power for that
@symphonixbladesАй бұрын
Nah I disagree. The devs seen the money tekken 7 made and decided to go mainstream . It’s a logical business decision. But it’s not good for us.
@oni_vergil7342Ай бұрын
At least SF6 Deluxe Edition is much cheaper but offers Season 1 characters and Battle Pass. But Tekken 8 "Ultimate Edition" is very expensive and there's only season 1 characters without Battle Pass. So disappointed about it to be honest. Bandai Namco is starting to sucks now.
@Eyes-Scream0213Ай бұрын
@@Eyes-Scream0213 It’s not really fair to compare a deluxe edition to the ultimate one though. SF6 ultimate edition is just as overpriced
@arpadszabo661Ай бұрын
Eh, SF 6 isn't that bad for cost because nothing they've really put out is anything I want anyway. It's still on top of the hill for me.
@dustincarter9334Ай бұрын
@@arpadszabo661 dude SF6 Deluxe Edition cost only 84.99 USD and I got Season 1 with Battle Pass. Tekken 8 "Ultimate Edition" costs 109.99 USD and I only get season 1 without a battle pass. Yeah I agree SF6 Ultimate Edition was very expensive but it's because it does have additional cosmetics but for Tekken 8 "Ultimate Edition" to have season 1 access only is so unfair.
@Eyes-Scream0213Ай бұрын
No full priced video game should have micro transactions, either you have DLC or nothing. Make it free to play if you’re asking for more of my money to have fun with the video game. Greed is getting crazy.
@FF7LimitBreakАй бұрын
Throws are very Soul Calibur-y because they brought in devs from SC to work on Tekken 8. Big reason why Yoshi feels a lot more Soul Calibur-y too!
@OverBlackSandsАй бұрын
Apart of me is mad that this is happening, but another part of me is semi happy that this is happening. So many bozos on discord told me that T8 was going to " save us from SF6. " SF6 is alive and well. And with Akuma and Season 2 coming soon? The future looks bright.
@thejedioutcast804Ай бұрын
If you were to ask me what's the best Battlepass implemented in a game, my answer would be Deep Rock Galactic. They're all free and the content in them later gets put into rewards for certain missions so you don't have to worry about missing out.
@leithaziz2716Ай бұрын
Mine would be halo infinite there is no fomo cause you choose which battle pass you want to work towards with an unlimited amount of time to finish it
@FlyXcurАй бұрын
Helldivers 2 is also fair
@Spacecommando619Ай бұрын
Cod and Fortnite they give you the option to buy tiers and have option to grind it really fast
@sophiacole61Ай бұрын
@@sophiacole61you have to buy the pass though
@SquashMelendezАй бұрын
@@FlyXcurMCC is the same but not as fomo/greedy. MCC is how every battle pass should be
@babytricep437Ай бұрын
A $70+ game with a shop in game along with season pass for dlc characters and now a battle pass for limited time cosmetics. Ngl I think I’m done with fighting games for now lol
@TheRealKingTGPАй бұрын
I think maybe there are good indie options that don't have this stuff out there.
@emperormegaman3856Ай бұрын
All I want is be able to customize Kuma has a care bear
@drdiabetesvАй бұрын
As someone who plays mainly offline, this is miserable. I understand they want people online but it really feels like I’m not getting the full game for how I want to play.
@TheAmazinglyAdequateАй бұрын
Why? You already have the full game. This is just extraneous bullshit added by Namco after the game sold millions of copies and proved it was a hot commodity. It is meaningless vapor that nobody needs.
@catkaboodleАй бұрын
@@catkaboodlethank you. Like a new hat does nothing to the game
@SquashMelendezАй бұрын
@@SquashMelendez Then why sell it? Why not just give it to everyone for free or not release it at all if it does nothing.
@CaptainTitforceАй бұрын
@@catkaboodle because they clearly ripped things out of the base game to sell to you, like eye colors.
@M_CFVАй бұрын
@@M_CFV Eye colors are meaningless vapor. They are not a mandatory part of any character creator. However, a lot of customizers demand their existence and will pay as much money as they "need" to for the colors they want, so Bamco has decided to make bank off them.
@catkaboodleАй бұрын
The Idea of Battle Passes in a Full Priced Fighting Game is The Worse Shit to Happen in Gaming.
@SuperFusionAJ93Ай бұрын
Why? If you don’t think it’s offering good value don’t buy it.
@kye4216Ай бұрын
@@kye4216lol why are you defending this garbage? They’re taking stuff that was literally in the game out, putting it in a timed battle pass and giving it to you piece by piece. This game is the full premium $70 with a $40 season pass and an in game shop, how much do they need?
@Hasan-hm5fyАй бұрын
@@kye4216 Miss with that Garbage Ass Excuse! I buy a product I expect a Full Package.
@SuperFusionAJ93Ай бұрын
@@kye4216 its greedy asf they removed stuff that was in the previous game the customizations were cut by 90% dude...they cut it and they borugt in back to sell it piece by piece. Thats scummy asf.
@driatrogenesisАй бұрын
I'd say loot boxes are
@dannybootsАй бұрын
Love seeing you play Tekken 8 Dood, keep it up!
@olidvr7799Ай бұрын
"Paying 10 dollars to spend 6 dollars" is probably the thing that bugs the most about modern gaming...
@GregInTechnicolorАй бұрын
Ohh …oh noo..no ..not the battle pass missing treasure battle
@DemimatrixАй бұрын
Monetization … Monetization is happening.. All after the stellar review period. How convenient 😢
@mattmanley7118Ай бұрын
Rocket League’s Rocket pass and Hell Diver 2’s War bonds are good examples of how to do the season pass well.
@michaeltenbroeck1807Ай бұрын
In my opinion, Battle Passes don't have any business being in a fighting game. Period.
@dangerouslysafe3Ай бұрын
Remember when Harada tweeted that costumization pieces from other games aren't just a "port them over" issue? Which is mighty ironic since everything in the battle pass is ported from Tekken 7. If it wasn't that easy then why are you recreating the same items for the 3rd time instead of actually making something new that isn't just "stock sweater"? They even charge you money to use a literally untextured ball and things PORTED FROM SOULCALIBUR. Bamco and Harada are a joke, they want to make money but don't want to put in any effort.
@alextygesen3101Ай бұрын
Stop Asking Harada for Shit!
@unclepaul1995Ай бұрын
Alot of Tekken 7 stuff was just tag 2 items. Tekken 7 did the same bullshit practices
@sky-oq5mrАй бұрын
Dead or Alive 5 has the best stages (and stage interactions) ever. Change my mind!
@Steffox1312Ай бұрын
As a former Dead or Alive 5 player, you are absolutely spot on. I still love that game and even catch myself playing it every now and then. Plus the game mechanics felt the best to me for a 3D fighter.
@balto9674Ай бұрын
Kicking someone down the stairs in MK Armageddon still makes me chuckle.
@doctorbrown595726 күн бұрын
was wonderin why the game felt weird as fuck lol back to SF6 I guess
@hitmanholla5929Ай бұрын
Enjoy playing the worst battle pass SF6
@luping9941Ай бұрын
@@luping9941 Enjoy being on Harada's nuts like you always are.
@maximumdeejayАй бұрын
I think that in the example with Bryan and Kuma, the stage hazard still activated because Kuma hit the wall mid-combo, resetting hazard activation. Maybe.
@ghostwaterjones5187Ай бұрын
I have played only ONE game that had a good battle pass and that was Borderlands 3. Part of the Season 2 DLC pass you got 3 battle passes that released over the course of a few months. They are permanent and you can switch between them freely. There’s a lot of dumb cosmetics but severely cool pieces of gear as well. It’s through a through a reward system for those ride or die people you play the game every day. It’s great it applies to your account so every character you make has access to it, no complaints especially since I got it as part of a DLC bundle.
@frankiecedeno3724Ай бұрын
This is what capcom and Bamco need to do if they want to do "battle passes" 1. One kind of in-game currency that can easily be earned by playing both single player and online content; BY PLAYING THE GAME. 2. Costumes and battle pass content can be earned by playing the game and using the in-game currency. 3. when battle pass is done: its in the shop to be bought with in game currency. 4. costumes and dlc can be unlocked or bought. 5. If people want to buy the in-game currency, they can. Guilty Gear Strive takes the W here. It just has a season pass for characters and stages. The colors can be bought in the psn store. All the shit in the game can be unlocked by playing the game and using World Dollars to fish for them, and theyre not using battle passes.
@TheCrimsonCat89Ай бұрын
Really cool Video Max. This Latest Patch has definitely got alot of Playing in a head spin at the mo.
@johnodaz1273Ай бұрын
EDDY IS PISSED AT MAX IN THE THUMBNAIL 😭😭😭😭
@unclephillymyaАй бұрын
Unintuitive is the word everyone is looking for in regard to the stage hazards.
@KasaazАй бұрын
Thanks for giving rumbleverse a reference lol god I miss that game
@giantblueapeАй бұрын
There should be a hit limit on the walls and floors similar to GGS at up 2 or 3 hits on wall before the wall breaks and maybe floor hazard go off after 2 grounding hits. For breakable walls and floors with zero explosions there should be no impact damage when you go through it and for explosive wall and floor damage is added in as if it part of the combo itself so nerfs itself in combo strings.
@PKMyhelАй бұрын
46:44 probably my favorite part of the video and a very clear cut through a lot pf the online noise
@thecoolguyman587Ай бұрын
That Eddy Thumbnail legit has Meme Material
@thesandkingdomАй бұрын
Mama Mia, I think im in love 😩
@rainierzx9677Ай бұрын
@@rainierzx9677 ?
@thesandkingdomАй бұрын
As someone who barely played T8, seeing all the nutty shit that happened when I started understanding my character was invigorating. it filled me with hype and had me going "Oh SHIT that was sick! Leme do it again..." but hearing all this has me on pause and wondering how fun it'll feel now.
@KitoBallardАй бұрын
Don’t watch these videos they are lazy as hell. The game is fun as hell. I wouldn’t buy the battlepass. A new shirt has no effect on the game. People like to cry on the internet
@SquashMelendezАй бұрын
@@SquashMelendez I trust max, honestly.
@KitoBallardАй бұрын
@@SquashMelendez You aren't even trying to have a conversation, you're just deflecting. You came to the comment of this vid to not do that.
@maximumdeejayАй бұрын
Just play the game…if we are being honest, this is only affecting competitive players in tournaments. The combo creativity is their but with Tekken your constantly learning which is why i try to learn the entire moveset and combo varieties and not the same ones over and over. Max is worthy of being heard but you got to see for yourself too
@niltondiaz7945Ай бұрын
Immediately knew this was gonna happen the moment harada started talking about modern micro transaction concepts on twitter
@SmotheryAxe1414Ай бұрын
Katsuhiro Harada: *puts a battle pass* Also Katsuhiro Harada: "DO NOT ASK ME FOR S--T!"
@alexanderminas28Ай бұрын
Exactly -_-
@NoelJohnCarloАй бұрын
Don’t buy the pass boys hold strong. 💪
@sniperkilla4322Ай бұрын
Too late
@DBTHEPLUGАй бұрын
Agreed, though what is even there there to buy? Is not like you get much content anyways but some specific character customization
@yamatosama6028Ай бұрын
@yamatosama6028 He's probably part of an echo chamber. He's just running with the opinion of others that this isn't acceptable because they're holding back content (from earlier games) to resell it to you later. Meanwhile, Tekken 8 came out with a bunch of characters from older Tekken games missing, with them having the probability of being resold to you later down the line. So, they were perfectly fine supporting this practice by purchasing Tekken 8, but now expect YOU & ME. To adhere to their standards by stopping where they drew the line? Hell to the no, my line hasn't been crossed yet.
@DBTHEPLUGАй бұрын
@yamatosama6028 But that's the problem with echo chambers, you don't think for yourself and instead echo the opinions of others. If the opinion doesn't make any logical sense, you'll end up looking like a joke, since you aren't able to have a logical discussion about it, since logic wasn't used to come up with that opinion to begin with. That's why most of these people I try to have a logical discussion with end up name-calling and ignoring me afterwards.
@DBTHEPLUGАй бұрын
@@DBTHEPLUG you have no idea how bad this type of thing can get. Once it gets past a certain point in the outrage, you'll get people who don't play the game, never had any interest in playing the game, and never will play the game, being VERY VOCAL about things they don't know anything about. They just echo bad takes and often literal lies they heard from others because they have, and bear with me here, social FOMO on the outrage bandwagon. That is hard for me to even type.
@steel5897Ай бұрын
If u got something to say about the game. I'll genuinely listen. Most people who complain about the game just complain. But you actually take the time to check and figure out what's happening lol
@Hero5slayerАй бұрын
Well said
@crescenteclipse6467Ай бұрын
💯
@treezy7593Ай бұрын
I am so, SO fucking sick and tired of having every single fighting game discussion video on KZhead be reduced down to “T8 IS KILLING SF6” or “BLAZBLUE WAS ALWAYS TRASH (AND HERE’S WHY)” It’s the most boring, disingenuous bullshit. It’s anti-content, anti-entertainment. Should be outlawed.
@zombieeightpack1381Ай бұрын
@@zombieeightpack1381The landscape in entertainment nowadays (including video games) almost requires people to make clickbaity, bad faith takes in order to express their opinions. Otherwise, you'll be ignored for having the "wrong" viewpoint.
@jeice2226Ай бұрын
@@zombieeightpack1381It's a tabloid mentality
@TheRealAhoyАй бұрын
What I saw from the Bryan combo is he relaunch him into airborne state in order to get the floor break
@sadbxi0357Ай бұрын
If they wanna nerf the floor and wall break stuff, just make the damage scaling after those things higher
@blacklite911Ай бұрын
It's already low. Stop touching shit. Everyone loved the game when it first dropped, why tf would you change what won us over. I stopped at Tekken king. Too much pluggers getting rewarded and it's pissing me off as well. Then I can't watch replays to learn Eddy if I don't own him? Fuck that.
@sky-oq5mrАй бұрын
80$ game that you need to buy 3-4 more dlcs to have the full roster of the game now asks for more money for some battle pass shit. Nah, im gonna pass.
@Xrhstaras27Ай бұрын
You're gonna battle pass
@dannybootsАй бұрын
@@dannyboots 🤣🤣🤣You know whats funny? I thought of writing exactly that. But my comment was supposed to be serious so i left it aside.
@Xrhstaras27Ай бұрын
29:54 I couldn’t agree more with you there. The first and only character I learned at launch was victor because I’m an eddy player ( who finally got him ) and I would have people message me even after beating me by cheesing or normally and say “you’re victor you deserve it. He’s cheese”. Like bro…
@EddyGordoGOATАй бұрын
I've been an Eddy player since Tekken 3. I picked him up yesterday, started practicing with him, seeing what old moves he still has, good lord....he's almost a whole different character now. Actually, I feel like he's almost too good in this game.
@omegaweapon116Ай бұрын
Imagine a game launching so damn well....and then gets progressively worse with updates when it should be getting better with each update.
@dandan3045Ай бұрын
The tumbnail already explains a thousand words Max 😂
@guidoblokАй бұрын
BEFORE: BUYING A GAME AND ALL UNLOCKING BY PLAYING GAME NOW: BUYING A GAME WITH BUYING EVERYTHING TO COMPLETE UNLOCK THE GAME *MICROTRANSACTION SERIOUSLY KILLING THE ENTIRE GAMING COMMUNITY*
@cyrusskpsm7142Ай бұрын
Max really described a lot of tekken players well when he said "they hate most of the characters on the roster and like their character ". Also, i understand how max feels about people bitching about his character cuz i play hwoarang and lars
@nerooyeye2196Ай бұрын
Tbf if you play Hwoarang, the hate is warranted😂
@dongoyo584Ай бұрын
@@dongoyo584 bruh😭
@nerooyeye2196Ай бұрын
@@dongoyo584 That's not being fair. See? You're doing the same thing he just talked about.
@maximumdeejayАй бұрын
As a Hwoarang main since T3, I feel your pain. Peeps just get tired of getting sat on all the time, lol.
@eulnav_93Ай бұрын
@@maximumdeejay After you fight against Hwoarang 7 times in a row in ranked and they all do the same thing, you start hating him lmao. Thats why everyone hates Hwoarang
@dongoyo584Ай бұрын
My issues with Eddy, as a new player to Tekken 8: He was available for ranked right out of the gate, even before he was general access; this ties into my second issue, you can't even practice against him in dojo mode unless you pay the money to unlock the character... meaning if you don't spend the money, you are stuck just queuing into Eddy matches and hoping you learn fast enough. Which to a veteran fighting game player, sure that's understandable to expect... but to new fighting game players that is a huge turn off and leads to frustrations that will cause people to turn away from the game.
@DestinedhellfireАй бұрын
King main here: King's Jaguar sprint (point and run) locks King into 5 options during the sprint. 1 (mid punch), 2 (high lariat), 3 (mid sobat kick), 4 (low kick), and a 5th option being a grab. The patch before Eddie dropped (I think) they added in a 6th option on Jag Sprint where he could hold back and block. I rarely used it before the block option was added because it felt very unsafe to quick attacks and counterhits. Hope this helps.
@JKess-rh6fcАй бұрын
The one that bothers me the most is SF6, because it affects the actual characters Like, MK1, Granblue, Tekken, etc, you just buy the character for industry standard prices, subject to regional pricing and whatnot, and you can pretty much ignore the cosmetic stuff SF6 on the other hand forces premium currency shenanigans on you when you want to get the characters, you either have to buy the same coin pack twice, or the one that leaves you with a ton of leftover currency And of course, that means that if you live in certain regions, you're paying twice or more the price that other companies are asking for the characters
@SorrelhasАй бұрын
Vpn baybeee
@mydrillasanjay5397Ай бұрын
@@mydrillasanjay5397 Good luck paying for straight dollar conversion lmao
@SorrelhasАй бұрын
You do the same thing in Tekken 8. What's worse is you can't learn or even watch replays with dlc characters if you don't own them.
@sky-oq5mrАй бұрын
@@sky-oq5mr So in Tekken you buy characters with the premium currency too? Damn
@SorrelhasАй бұрын
@@Sorrelhas Yeah it's the same thing. You cannot watch any replay with Eddy if you don't own the character, lots of people have said that.
Selling "battle passes" that EXPIRE is just garbage. Making people play your game with FOMO is some real phone-gacha-game-tier stuff.
Completely agree, we should not give Tekken the wrong response and accept this bs. This is bad.
I don't disagree, but putting the emphasis on 'expire' makes it sound like this is out of the ordinary? Expiring, temporary BPs are pretty much what BPs normally are, sadly. The ability to go back to and progress older seasons of BPs - removing the FOMO - is relatively new and I really hope they become the standard (well, assuming the alternative is 'no BPs at all', which would be nicer). The real kick in the teeth for me is that seemingly ALL of them are based around daily / weekly challenges. Instead of a BP just rewarding you for playing the game, you end up playing around the pass rather than playing the game as you normally would.
I'm not spending any money on coins before they stop these greedy practices. Let me buy 600 coins without having to buy 1000 coins...
Meanwhile, Deep Rock Galactic uses a free Battlepass and all its content gets cycled back into the main game.
@@leithaziz2716 For Rock and Stone!
I don’t think he ever noted that the level 52 PREMIUM BATTLE PASS REWARD is a FUCKING untextured GREY ASSET BALL.
and it's a great meme!
@@Evilriku13 95% chance that ball becomes a beloved icon like three years from now
@@SavianXits literally a stock blender asset
Thought the way he felt was self explanatory with his overall take of the pass. Over reacting over something insignificant to the overall point isn't necessary to everyone. Max seems to be one of the only people that can actually put together well thought out points and helpful critique and concerns without snowflaking out most of the time.
@@blueisacolor7639what are you talking about literally everyone is calling out this Tekken 8 nonsense
$70 games have no business having these things.
PREACH
Maybe you're just too poor.
@philharrison2991 you’re part of the problem mf. Also you look like you’re not allowed to be near school zones
@@philharrison2991 maybe we Just don't want to get fucked over. If i buy a car full price i don't want to buy parts of its engine later so that It can now start to work
@SirVolt a car isn't a video game. It's an automobile.
This is ignoring the biggest issues with the battle pass. It’s a $70 game, with a cash shop, a battle pass, AND you still need to pay for new characters. They are quadruple dipping in a non F2P game.
No they aren’t lol. You don’t need any of the cosmetics so why spend the extra money?
@@SquashMelendez If I spent $70 on this I should get every artwork in the game, they didn't do this in t7.
@SquashMelendez yes they are. What you said makes no sense.
They still gave you the full game with story mode etc. Like Tekken 7 you would have still needed to buy each character on their own after launch. Its such a hard one... do we want f2p games where we pay for everything piece meal? Or get most of the content up front and PAY for the additional live service of YEARS of content.
@@ed61730 I get that they need to have monetization methods to keep the game going for years, but the problem is how many different ways they're trying to squeeze money out of ppl. If you're going to have a cash shop AND a battle pass, make future characters and stages free.
Remember the people that said $70 price tags would stop this sort of predatory behavior?
I don't know if it's just me, but I don't remember many people saying that
@@nerooyeye2196 it was a common argument point for $70 dollar games. The obvious component is that they're just gonna take the price increase and the predatory practices
@goby1764 well, that actually makes sense. I guess just wasn't really tuned into the gaming community at the time. Also, I know that Namco made us pay for frame data, but I never really expected tekken to go down this road
@@nerooyeye2196 Yeah, in particular I expected bandai to still be with the slimy practices.
@@goby1764 it quite unfortunate
They got rid of treasure battle just to make you pay for it through a battle pass, that's fucking pathetic.
Which sucks because I really like that mode. Fighting to get acessories with the chance to get rarer items after a few wins is such a fun idea to get people into playing the game and getting better as the cpu's get harder.
@@Itachigan22Yup, it was great and my most played mode when I wasn't in the mood for ranked. And now it's gone with nothing to replace it.
Yeah wtf that shit should be free like previous Tekken games did 🤦♂️
They hid all of this from the consumers so the reviews would be good. Then they sold soooo many copies and great reviews, they can drop this on us. It was surreptitious and grubby.
same thing happened with SF6 too unfortunately
I'm pretty sure the EU has laws against this kind of thing
Yup, we could file a mass lawsuit here in the EU. It's customer deception. You can't hide such mtx until purchase, you have to be honest and upfront if your mtx are ready to go but withheld until after launch to prevent negative criticisms and drama
This is what companies do when they want the first month sales and the critical acclaim but also that extra money. Activision did the same shit with the remake of Crash Team Racing, they added a bunch of microtransactions and made it so you get much less currency for unlocking stuff well after the game got great reviews and sold well.
Man the big 3 had everything… and they decided to flick the switch
The problem isn’t even necessarily having a battlepass. It’s having a full price $70 game and jamming a crappy battlepass every other month that expires. You don’t have to buy it but it feels like a spit in the face when majority of players would happily pay money for actually good content/costumes but they chose to jam cheap thoughtless items that they can pump out for next to nothing and try to FOMO people into buying it
@@FirewynnTV wrong but u are half correct. you got the online unlock code when you bought the game. this was so that if u sell your physical copy the buyer would have to buy the online portion. this was during the time when companies wanted to stop people from buying second hand games. Now most people buy digital so i guess they got their way in the end.
You don't like the pass, don't buy it. You happily bought the game for $70, and you said you'd happily buy the costumes on the shop. You're not forced to buy the pass
@@FirewynnTVTag 2 on Wii U had online, all DLC, extra Nintendo modes and costumes, so...
@@kylespevak6781I don't play games with battlepasses, so give me the fucking option to not buy it in the first place shill
@@FirewynnTVCame with my game at launch. Though I think Gamestop's policies had a high chance of that happening because they'd sell opened copies of the game as 'new' since they were either display copies or copies the employees tested/'borrowed' and kept sealed behind a desk. I've been to Gamestops where they purposely sold the 'display' copy first and just opened an unsealed copy afterwards to repeat the process since they never really got big shipments of games past the initial launch and whatever covered preorders.
Bro... they give you new eye colors in the battle pass? The lack of eye color options was one of my biggest complaints... Guess we know why they were missing now 😒
It's not even a good eye option. It uses the zaibatsu icon as the eye and it's red. I wish we just got color options for it
People love to pull the "if you dont wanna buy it, just ignore it, who cares" card But intentionally limiting character creator options just to charge money for them later is SCUMMY. That scummy business decision negatively impacts the game itself, even if you choose to ignore it
I imagine its not just eyes, but the makeup options too. Why have seperate lip color options and not just a single option to change color on a color wheel? Its all gonna be fight pass BS
@@sefflikejeff1917 I get it, but it’s just business to have things set up where you have the models made, it took some time and effort to get it made and now you can ship it every 2-4 months while working on balance patches, fixing bugs, creating characters while drip feeding people content who want it or don’t. But i’d only legitimately feel this way if it was instead handed out through a rewards system already in-game rather than a pay wall :/
I’m not spending money on my avatar..😂😂😂
Love how the thumbnail looks like Eddy harshly judging the battle pass with Max being like "but hear me out"...
For real XD
Let's hear em out 😂
You won the comment section for today
Not gonna lie I feel like they are adding a battle pass to everything honestly
WTF is wrong with Eddy on the Thumbnail?😂
I want a Helldiver 2 type of battlepass. Permanent battle pass where i can take a break and enjoy life for a bit and come back to unlock them later.
Crazy that they're not even offering things as good as HD2 does when HD2 is a $40 game and you can earn all the premium stuff just by playing relatively easy. $70 just to get bent with a ton of micro-transactions is horrible
@@HowIin It's hilarious that you're comparing cosmetics to a battlepass that actually gives you gameplay advantages.
@@Sammysapphirasay you haven’t played Helldivers 2 without saying it. You dumb as fuck if you think it’s pay to win when the weapons are side grades and not better then the rest and also are permanently there to grind, no fomo
Even Halo infinite lets the battle pass stick around, you still got to pay for it but you can just go back to it whenever
I've only played for 2 days and am already 25% on the pass. It's not that deep. If I would play for 6 hours a day for maybe 2 days would clear it easily. If you play 2 hours every 3 days you should be able to clear it easily. And otherwise don't buy the battle pass.
I’m starting to notice how last generation, these games had rough launches but good post-launch content. So far these games are looking have great launches but rough post-launch content. What is happening?
I rather give my opinion on that after 7 years. This TikTok generation likes to give their entire perspective on things 2 months after something that's supposed to be there for the next 10 years released...
@@DBTHEPLUGI think that’s a pretty good stance to take generally. Peoples opinions shift so fast these days it’s nuts. I don’t think our brains are really capable of handling all the stimulation we’re receiving these days if that makes sense. For most of human history so much of what is relevant now didn’t exist so we haven’t adapted to it yet
@@DBTHEPLUGI'll be waiting with ya, after 7 years they gonna be like: Oh man, Tekken 9 sucks, Tekken 8 is so much better,... like clockwork.
@@phantoan522 Right.
@@DBTHEPLUGIt's been MORE than 7 years though. Where have you been? Modern gaming has been adding more battle passes and DLC at launch but way less content.
Fighting games simply aren't built to have a battlepass. Fighting Game teams would need to invest heavily into having multiple different costumes for every character to really ever make them worth buying like ones in Fortnite. But even then, I don't see anyone purchasing these when the title was already 70 dollars with MORE DLC to follow.
Honestly SEGA can fix that with a new Virtua Fighter if it's free but given free online and few selected characters but single player and modes are paid except for arcade, 2p vs and training mode
what's crazy is.... if they were giving you a battle pass full of new costumes... I would bet more people would buy it and they would make money, but these companies are run by greedy corporate robots who want to operate on as little cost as possible
@@journie3042 Sega … it’s them who made people pay for a game+ on Yakuza ?😂
@@lesbonsamis8171 it is scummy but if VF is free then it wouldn't be a problem
@@journie3042 SEGA won't fix shit, are you even paying attention to what they are doing? They will monetize twice as hard. Truth is, as long as it sells, it won't get fixed by any big company.
I think this is going to lead Tekken down the same road that street fighter went down. Both games really, desperately want you to care about the avatar stuff. They want to sell you that gimmick so badly. The problem is that in leaning so far into it as a form of monetization they just kind of make us not like it and it drives us back towards the main part of the game. I can’t count the times where I’ve seen that the Street fighter social media pages have put up a new post only to find out that it’s yet again a notice about gear for a part of the game that a lot of people haven’t thought about in months unless it’s to directly criticize it for being so greedy. I can't imagine Tekken will be any different.
in some fairness people actually use the battle hub and i see people fight with their avatars constantly. T8 on the otherhand... uh they just walk around i guess. I would like to say nobody cares about SF6 avatars but for better or worse there is clearly an audience there.
They want people to use avatars so badly and yet they messed up the freaking system because you can't even have multiple special moves with the same input (for example - I can't use Hadouken and Quadriga simultaneously because they're both quarter circle forward inputs, even though one uses punch and the other, kick) because of the modern controls.
I don't even go into the Lounge at all anynore. I couldn't care less about avatars in this game.
The problem is that SF6 has custom player characters, while T8 are XBox Live avatars, no one cares about that shit.
@@Original_Katros yeh that is weird but id be lying if i said it ruined the entire system since i constantly see people with cray unique combos and weird shit. hard to be too mad at it when no other game in the whole genre even tried to do anything like it.
This game is already $70 with a season's pass, there was no reason to randomly Shadow drop a battle pass without telling anyone!
$70 game with a battle pass sums up everything wrong with the games industry
Most battlepasses don't go over well. The FGC went from eating to being preyed on.
Eating to being eaten oh no 😢
Vast majority of battlepasses go over more than just fine. That’s why they still exist
lol, the FGC has been getting preyed on for years and they just smile and take it.
@@arpadszabo661 Yeah it's mainly FGC is now having to deal with the big franchises getting one and they don't like it. It sucks to say but Battlepasses are honestly here to stay for most multiplayer online games since it's a long term way to keep earning money.
FGC is still eating, we've just got a dish to avoid like the plague now. The steak is still there, with rollback netcode sauce on it and everything.
This greed started with 2k other gaming companies are noticing that 2k is taxing their community and receiving no backlash due to 2k having a monopoly on simulation basketball I beg for the tekken community to stand against this we don't need another company prioritizing profit over the player experience
Most gaming companies seem to only care about the money nowadays and don’t care about backlash unless it’s massive amount like the battlefront 2 EA situation. Sadly there’s also a lot of bootlickers “it only cosmetics and cheap” or whatever just sad.
I'm pretty sure FIFA figured out how to nickel and dime their players on a full price game years before 2K, But yes they will only do this kind of thing as long as the player's let them get away with it
The thing is, the majority of the people who play FIFA, 2K and the like, are very disconnected from the rest of the videogame industry. They are the ones who didnt know what an rpg was until skyrim came out. With that being the case, they were more susceptible to falling for shitty money grubbing because they werent really aware of how bad that is. Its like how mobile games made so much money because even grandpa who has never touched a gamepad will try Candy Crush and possibly spend money on it because he has no idea how bad that is.
@@darthronin808Nowadays? They just come up with new ways to get your money but nothing has changed
The problem with "that greed" is that is not neccesarily greed, games and some industries have been struggling on the inside, this of course doesnt justifiy some tactics but essentially the bad practices have tainted some average practices or just neutral tactics as bad, I dont think every person in the industry is greedy but also I have never met any dev swimming in money or for that fact seen that money myself and I have 8 years working on games... I feel anything other than premium 60 is getting the bad eye, but in this economy after 20 years of selling games at the same price almost, premium 60 IS NOT a sustainable model for a company even indies. That said sure there are execs that use this as a justification to milk the other models but instead of asking the removal of other monetization models why not ask for its regulation? People like to pretend games are not expensive or expensive to make... As well, this is a 2 sided issue
I miss Tekken Tag 2.
fuckload of content from get go
Tekken Tag 2: Wii U Edition
Buy it physical for 5$ and play it online on your Series X
I've missed that game so much that i bought a PS3 again
I last played it around 2 years ago but my PS3 died tt2 was a wild game
You remember tekken tag tournament 2? Customization was amazing no dlc needed
Keep in mind, Tekken Tag 2 came out in arcades more than year before the console release. It actually got an updated arcade version that added more content and then the console version came out that added even more. Console Players basically got the Tekken equivalent of Super Street Fighter 2 for their launch while the arcade already went through SF2 and SF2: Turbo.
Right, it was fun and it only needed creativity
it wasn't that good, however, decals? that changed everything!
@@shvy100 tekken 6 had the goat customization mode for me, wish they brought it back and added the decals from tt2
Tekken 6 had the best one for sure 👍
If my avatar could play the classic Tekken games in the arcades, I'd invest in such a feature more.
I just want a stage with everyone's avatars in the background, or something that makes customization of your avatar worth it.
the fight lounge is the most pointless waste of memory on my harddrive ever
A lot of the customization pieces in the Fight Pass were in Tekken 7 by default. So they literally took them away so they could turn around and sell it instead.
Soul Calibur has been doing this for years, except instead of a battle pass, they sold these recycled items in DLC packs. Some items are so old that they seem to retain their shitty geometry and textures from the PS2/PS3 games they originated from. They even ripped pieces from Tekken characters and sold those in a DLC pack.
Thats like saying all the characters in Tekken8 are in Tekken7. As long as they remodeled them which I imagine they had to for a new engine and to match the game graphically, whats the issue? They made 2 assets. One for Tekken7 and one for Tekken8. It just looks the same.
@@Mick0Mania You'd think they'd try NOT to copy their other franchise that they probably killed....
But did Tekken 7 have the white sphere!? I'll await your apology
@@Mick0Maniasoul caliber is dead tho lmao
BTW you need to know something: The battlepass requires online matches to level up/progress through it, so if you never play online (like I do) it's literally impossible to level up and earn anything
Playing fighting games offline in present day 2024 AD is crazy, kind of a personal problem
You can fight your friend in unranked 1v1s and get it all done. I got my challenges done by accident just playing against my friends
@@rainierzx9677sometimes lag and pluggers annoy you so much you need to get that smooth offline vibe, like being a kid and playing Tekken 5
@@10.ikadekanandadwipayadnya83 Also if you have enough FGC friends nothing is more fun than having offline sessions. Mostly what I do in tekken these days as I don't want to grind ranked for both T8 and SF6
@@rainierzx9677the majority of fighting games I play are only offline with my brothers (mostly) and some friends, there is nothing wrong with offline only
At 11:28, we are watching a KZhead video of Max watching a KZhead video of PhiDX watching a KZhead video
KZheadception lol
*BWAM* 😂😂😂
Original content everyone!!
@@DL-zq5ie "disseminating information"
Describing Tekken being out of its “Honey moon phase” is perfect started out so good and just came to a screeching halt
So 4 months is the shelf life of a honeymoon phase? Seems about right
@@Hillthugsta 4 Months ? Tekken 8 has been out for like 2 months and a few days at best.
@@VerGiLL1 I forgot when in JAN it was released. Also forgot this month just started In a way. That makes it worse.
And Describing Harada being our Dad giving us what We Don’t want. Dad: No Complaining, Son.
Still very upset that out of all the things to lock behind a premium pass they chose character artwork. That Azucena art at tier 11 looks amazing but I refuse to spend $10 just for like 3-4 art pieces
And Harada still upset about People asking Him for Shit.
I’m paying 6 for the customization parts lol.
@@unclepaul1995 "Don't ask me for ACTUAL QUALITY BATTLE PASS CONTENT"
Glad now people are speaking up about things in the game. I love Tekken but Tekken 8 is missing things.
It finally got to max lmao
honestly, buying a battlepass in your 60/70$ game is beyond moronic. you're getting dumped with the F2P plebs. if you pay for that you are, in fact, the problem with this industry. edit: of course all the battlepasses suck, no game designer has ever uttered the word "battlepass". they don't exist to make anything better.
The later half of the video really opened my eyes to Tekken’s complexities. The part with Lars especially made me realize that Tekken becomes more interesting because of what you can do in a 3d space. I’m a fairly new player. I’ve been around for the last few months of 7, and now in 8, although I enjoy it, advanced techniques both vexed and intrigued me to no end. With these recent changes, however, it makes the game streamlined for new players like me but removes the cool elite shit more skilled players can do. I dont want this game to play like a 2d fighter or a bs 50/50 fest like tag fighters. I want to play Tekken.
I've been playing Tekken since Tekken 2 and this is the first one where I'm actually thinking about skipping it. It is definitely a 50/50 fest with heat. Too many safe moves in heat, heat engagers, heat cancelling, inputs are super easy....I agree. I like games where there are things that only a few people can do because they require so much skill.
I'm thinking of quitting, heat ruins the game
Tekken 8 taught me buying games at launch is as bad as pre ordering.
That's the stupidest fucking take I've heard today
It taught me buying games within the first two months of launch is no longer an option. Publishers will not only give incomplete copies to the reviewers now, they'll wait a month or two before they sneak this stuff in. I can't trust that the game I'm buying at launch is the same game as two months later.
@@Nemcoification It's optional content. You are required to spend exactly $0 to continue playing the game. Why don't you understand that you're not entitled to things you haven't purchased?
@@Nemcoification Sneak in a mediocre battle pass that's only 15 dollars? Or a few awkward balance changes because they are trying to figure it out too? Yeah still a really corny awkward take. Buddy Tekken 8 slaps. This community is so probably the worst fighting game community there is. It's just nothing but bitching and whining about anything and everything.
Took you a while to learn that. Don't pre-order games has been a saying for a decade
They already said the stage hazards were an oversight and they are working on a hotfix. Should've never happened but im optimistic they'll fix it soon.
The worst part is that people are dumb enough to complain about the stuff they buy. As long as people are more concerned with consuming than not, the microtransactions will only get worse.
Typical “i hate how overpriced my new iPhone that i’m currently holding in my hand is but 14 is so last year” people
thing is tho, to me, fighting games are unique. sometimes i feel if people dont buy a fighting game, japanese companies go "oh i guess people dont want fighing game no more." Tekken might be slightly different, but there was a reason there was such a big gap between SF3 and SF4 but also i stopped buying new games after sf5 first came out so im actually with ya lmao. i might check VF6 and City of the Wolves once they release
These moronic types of comments need to end. 🤦 Stop trying to conflate the people who complain with the people that just buy the thing.
the classic "the internet is one person" comment. i knew i'd find it here somewhere
@@Meldrick-jv7syLotusAsakura literally released a video complaining about the shit battlepass AFTER he bought it
They're looking at the wrong games to study how battlepasses become worth the money, Instead they should look at the one game that popularized it & see how they still made it worth the price for the last 6 years. Max should revisit Fortnite if he ever wants to make an opinion on how to make FG passes better.
Great take
Nice.
or they could take a page out of Helldivers 2's playbook and make ways to earn the paid portion of the BP by playing the game AND by removing the FOMO of an expiring BP.
Fair enough
Amazing video. I hope the developers listen to this
That price is what really sucks the most. The fact that those like two decent items are now stuck in a overpriced temporary grind fest is annoying too but the prices aren’t even good. I would be spending way more money on simple cosmetic DLC in games if they were actually a fair price like before. Each Mii Costume in Smash is like $0.75 and cuz of that, I’ve spent money on tons of costumes over time.
It wasn't that long ago that you could get 3 costumes for $6 in MK11. Now one costume for one character in a fighting game can cost $5 - $15. And the idea of battle passes always bothered me. You have to pay money to get premium items, then you have to unlock those items within a time limit or you lose them. So you're not actually paying for them, you're paying for the chance to get them. Which means you're SOL if you're a casual who doesn't play often enough, or if you have a busy schedule. What's worse is that you can't even buy these things directly. You have to buy currency. So you could have some annoying left over currency, or you could be just short of what you need so you have to buy more than you want, or you might be tempted to spend extra because you get "free currency" when you buy larger bundles. Feels really scummy all around, and makes me actively avoid spending money I normally would've. Just give me a pack full of stuff at a solid price and I'll buy. At this rate, I'll be avoiding the next Tekken, Street Fighter, and Mortal Kombat.
100% agree, i’m not strictly against microtransactions. It’s just how they implement it what puts me off (battlepasses, rounded up currency packs, overpriced skins). I feel mk11 did it the correct way. You could viably earn currency in game and prices were reasonable
at that point you'd just stop playing the game after realizing that.
SF6 with their $20 costumes is just criminal. I’ll spend $5 on a really good one and feel dirty about it, but no way I’m spending the price of a AA game for TMNT Leonardo.
Since when does a dlc character ever cost more than like 5 or 7 dollars? But overall, I agree with you.
I suggest that we all just don't buy. If they don't make enough money doing this, it will stop. Vote with your wallet.
Unrelated but Tekkens Soundtrack is the first thing that made me want to play this game. GOATED.
Its amazing
This compared to granblue's battle pass. Which you can pay with flat out cash not points for one. You get audio tracks you can use in battle unlike SF6. You unlock background challenger screens for characters, colors, and weapons. You get special titles to show off with your name. The final thing for the battle pass is a full blown skin for a character. I think it's the most well done version of a battle pass I've seen yet.
Yeah GBVSR did it the best so far.
Do u get the next bp funded if u finish the Pass?
@@newphonewhodis7152 You straight up buy it with real money. There's no premium ingame currency to get back for the next pass. Rising does have a f2p currency ingame called Rupees you can grind and use for DLC though.
@@newphonewhodis7152 unfortunately no as there is no premium currency
@@newphonewhodis7152 Ohhh umm not really. I think so anyways. I havent played GBVSR in a long while. Focusing on SF6
Nah fck this game then, FOMO battle passes for full priced games is not something that should be normalized in fighting games even if it’s too late. I feel disappointed.
Well, have fun not playing any fighting game in the next few decades
@@arpadszabo661 I already have plenty of SP games to play anyway. I will still probably play it since I bought already and can't refund it, but it's probably my last entry in the franchise. The same way I gave up on the Sport genre altogether, it seems FG are next.
@@arpadszabo661 At this Point that God for Fightcade and Emulation
Well, they got your money already, so you can go and kick rocks somewhere until you aren't angry anymore, which will be in like, 2 days. See you back in Tekken 8 by then.
@@arpadszabo661Casuals are leaving Tekken 8 because some external battle pass exists outside of the space where they are spending 99% of their time: Practice mode & Online ranked matches.
I think battle pass is inherently a bad combination with fighting games. They can't lock out Characters like shooter that's insane. Customizations are bound to be lack lusters. Also what kind of challenges can you get with fighting games. Win a match?
Go play VF4 Evo quest mode, it has requirements during a match that u can decide to complete or not, it can earn golds that u can earn to unlock stuff like costumes parts, unlockable wallpaper, music, old stages and stuff. There's more to it but since a new VF will be announced this year. Will see how they do a new one albeit in an online environment
@@journie3042And it worked SO well for Virtua Fighter, because each character has their own individualized options, there weren’t sharing pieces like Tekken is doing. If Tekken were going about it like they did back in Tekken 6, where like Virtua Fighter, each character has their own style and it was reflected in their customization options, the battle pass might have been more welcome, but the rewards are absolute trash, save a FEW items. I always liked Virtua Fighter 4 because of how unique the characters and their styles were when it came to customization. The generic-ness of Tekken 8’s customization is just crazy, when you think about that, and I’m not sure why they thought a battle pass was needed, when they could have effectively did what MK1 is doing, and just had a leveling system that rewarded you for actively using your mains, which you were guaranteed to do, because that’s the point of having a main.
@@dojacow6645 i honestly didn't know people didn't like Tekken 8's customs
Bamco sent me on a roller coaster of emotions when I saw eddy was out, and then I saw the battle pass and my good mood was slapped down like a drunk parent hitting their baby
I’m so tired of buying fighting games for full price. It just doesn’t seem worth it to me.
Battle passes and cosmetics in a full price game is such a slap in the face.
Dude, it's a one time purchase of 10 bucks, long as you play the game, you never need to pay for another one. 10 dollars for free cosmetics until the end of the games lifetime is pretty good.
it's the fallout of the "it's just cosmetic" crowd
@@IntertwiningRoses you are just assuming future battle passes also will cost 600 credits or future battle passes also includes 600 credits there is nothing that can make bamco unable to change future costs or rewards of battlepass since they can just give the excuse of "oooh this new battlepass have more quality blender-unreal engine sphere so fuck it 1200 credits"
and that is the problem right there. The excuse is for full price games. The whole point of games is to make money. Regardless if it is a full price game or free to play game because latter is worst than the former. To this day unless this stuff is being force upon you. I do not see why people cannot ignore that crap and just play and pay for what they want. Do not want to pay than do not pay and move on. All you going to do push them to find another way for them to push some type of monetization.
@@Gilded30😂😂😂
Remember when Smash Ultimate had dlc of 10 fighters,each with their own stages and sets of osts,cost less than Tekken 8's battlepass and yet offered more content without the need of microtransaction Both games were developed by Namco btw and yet the major difference is Namco is now in more of a pickle with two of their other live service projects not reeking in profit so they rushed in the tekken shop right alongside eddy to get the cash rolling while t8 is still in its honey moon time
Also it helped that Sakurai was in charge of smash's development.
Remember when all you had to do was use every character in arcade mode to receive more characters and stages? And it was free?
Even a couple mii costumes came with their own music. And they were like, 75 cents each.
Where you from that $25 is cheaper than $10?
@@AntonioGonzalez-ht5ckfrom a place where the $25 has 5 characters + stages. $5 per character pack. Where are you from
The issue with Tekken 8, is that there's too much flashiness. Heat bursts, heat dash, wall splats, floor breaks, wall breaks, balcony breaks, etc. The activations on some of these things should be toned down a bit, I agree. But, the issue is, like what everyone is saying is visual consistency and clarity.
I don't care how much effort they put into the battle pass items, I don't want a god damn battle pass in my seventy dollar video game It's an instant dealbreaker I'm not playing Tekken
The fact that they did the battle pass AND the store is extra egregious. One was bad enough, but thwn they had the nerve to not only do both, but undercooked each on in it's own unique and shitty way
While I agree, most games that use Battlepasses for cosmetic things do it alongside a store as well. It gets worse when they add multiple in game currencies that can only be purchased in packs that ensure you either have to spend more than the actual cost of the one item you want and the remained of the currency generally won't be enough for another item you want so you'll have to do it again.
@@shinzero0271yeah but those games are usually free. The triple dipping is wild to me
People turning on a game after the initial launch is nothing new, but I genuinely hope they learn from the backlash here. I love this game and I just want the best for it and the community.
its not going to improve and its only going to get more scummy in design never love a product, always be able to quit it when it no longer respects you or your time
@marcusclark1339 Never letting yourself enjoy something is not for me. But you do you.
@@samproctor6826depends on what it stands for, this stands to prey on the weak that'll defend it no matter what. I've been with Tekken since 3 and knew it was going down hill at 7. Skipped 7 after a month. Tekken 8 lasted me 2 months I'll skip this one too. If not they will never learn. They want the people that'll be stupid enough to stick with it.
@sky-oq5mr That's fine if you don't want to support it, that's fair. All I'm saying is I'm still enjoying the game despite it and I'm thankful that people with a platform are airing their concerns plainly.
@@samproctor6826 And people will rightfully tell you you're playing into why corporations feel it's okay to be scummy like this
I'm sorry this entire update is dogshit. Especially the wall break situation, which literally broke the game in this new update. Nobody asked for a godamn battle pass. WTF is Tekken 8 doing?
Bamco, just make DLC costumes that matter, not battle pass. That's it, that's all it takes. Battle passes are fine for free to play games, not a $70 launch game
Are You asking Harada for Shit?
@@unclepaul1995 Yeh 😂
@@sodamustdie4372 Good Luck letting Harada beating You Up.
@@unclepaul1995 🤣, if he does that, Imma use his weakness: taking his glasses off
@@sodamustdie4372 I see.
In b4 everyone gets over it and the standard response to stuff like this is "what, are you poor bro?"
Lmao the thumbnail said "☝️🤓"
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Lmaooo
lmaooooooo 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Max made many Videos about Battle Passes. Many Rant Videos about Battle Pass, and they still putting Battle Passes in Modern Games. Rant Videos did Nothing. Dev ignore us, thinking that Money Over Fans. Even the Angry Fans.
Yes.. is this zoomer humor? Just emojis of the thing? 😴
I think the way I would have approached the stage interactions is not change how they where working, but apply additional scaling when they are utilized. That way it isnt as 2-3 touch, but you get to keep all the cool flashy creativity.
That actually seems like a better solution than what they did
I think people misunderstand that flashiness and cool looking stuff one of the pillars of this Genre is. If it makes less dmg but looks cool, ill still strive to make it happen
13:20
@@newphonewhodis7152STRIVE 😂😂😂😂
@@twistedgambit9084
Harada...what have you done...
Stop Asking Harada for Shit. Harada hate Peoples asking Him for Shit.
MURRAYS VISION
*Mr.Krabs voice* Money!
@@Black_Aces Namco is Mr.Krabs, Capcom is Mr.Krabs, Disney is Mr.Krabs, I’M MR.KRABS! Is there any more Mr.Krabs I should Know about?
First street fighter, then (allegedly) Dogma 2, and now THIS?! Pray they don't have the same thoughts process for monster hunter 6
“The future is now old man!”
Have you played dmc 5 / 4?? Or perhaps the last two monster hunter games?? Capcom been on this shit for years brah nothing is gonna change
it's happening what happened to SF6 and Mortal Kombat ... Greedy management from the top dogs of the company. This is Bandai execs doing, and the TEKKEN team can do nothing to stop them because they don't have enough power for that
Nah I disagree. The devs seen the money tekken 7 made and decided to go mainstream . It’s a logical business decision. But it’s not good for us.
At least SF6 Deluxe Edition is much cheaper but offers Season 1 characters and Battle Pass. But Tekken 8 "Ultimate Edition" is very expensive and there's only season 1 characters without Battle Pass. So disappointed about it to be honest. Bandai Namco is starting to sucks now.
@@Eyes-Scream0213 It’s not really fair to compare a deluxe edition to the ultimate one though. SF6 ultimate edition is just as overpriced
Eh, SF 6 isn't that bad for cost because nothing they've really put out is anything I want anyway. It's still on top of the hill for me.
@@arpadszabo661 dude SF6 Deluxe Edition cost only 84.99 USD and I got Season 1 with Battle Pass. Tekken 8 "Ultimate Edition" costs 109.99 USD and I only get season 1 without a battle pass. Yeah I agree SF6 Ultimate Edition was very expensive but it's because it does have additional cosmetics but for Tekken 8 "Ultimate Edition" to have season 1 access only is so unfair.
No full priced video game should have micro transactions, either you have DLC or nothing. Make it free to play if you’re asking for more of my money to have fun with the video game. Greed is getting crazy.
Throws are very Soul Calibur-y because they brought in devs from SC to work on Tekken 8. Big reason why Yoshi feels a lot more Soul Calibur-y too!
Apart of me is mad that this is happening, but another part of me is semi happy that this is happening. So many bozos on discord told me that T8 was going to " save us from SF6. " SF6 is alive and well. And with Akuma and Season 2 coming soon? The future looks bright.
If you were to ask me what's the best Battlepass implemented in a game, my answer would be Deep Rock Galactic. They're all free and the content in them later gets put into rewards for certain missions so you don't have to worry about missing out.
Mine would be halo infinite there is no fomo cause you choose which battle pass you want to work towards with an unlimited amount of time to finish it
Helldivers 2 is also fair
Cod and Fortnite they give you the option to buy tiers and have option to grind it really fast
@@sophiacole61you have to buy the pass though
@@FlyXcurMCC is the same but not as fomo/greedy. MCC is how every battle pass should be
A $70+ game with a shop in game along with season pass for dlc characters and now a battle pass for limited time cosmetics. Ngl I think I’m done with fighting games for now lol
I think maybe there are good indie options that don't have this stuff out there.
All I want is be able to customize Kuma has a care bear
As someone who plays mainly offline, this is miserable. I understand they want people online but it really feels like I’m not getting the full game for how I want to play.
Why? You already have the full game. This is just extraneous bullshit added by Namco after the game sold millions of copies and proved it was a hot commodity. It is meaningless vapor that nobody needs.
@@catkaboodlethank you. Like a new hat does nothing to the game
@@SquashMelendez Then why sell it? Why not just give it to everyone for free or not release it at all if it does nothing.
@@catkaboodle because they clearly ripped things out of the base game to sell to you, like eye colors.
@@M_CFV Eye colors are meaningless vapor. They are not a mandatory part of any character creator. However, a lot of customizers demand their existence and will pay as much money as they "need" to for the colors they want, so Bamco has decided to make bank off them.
The Idea of Battle Passes in a Full Priced Fighting Game is The Worse Shit to Happen in Gaming.
Why? If you don’t think it’s offering good value don’t buy it.
@@kye4216lol why are you defending this garbage? They’re taking stuff that was literally in the game out, putting it in a timed battle pass and giving it to you piece by piece. This game is the full premium $70 with a $40 season pass and an in game shop, how much do they need?
@@kye4216 Miss with that Garbage Ass Excuse! I buy a product I expect a Full Package.
@@kye4216 its greedy asf they removed stuff that was in the previous game the customizations were cut by 90% dude...they cut it and they borugt in back to sell it piece by piece. Thats scummy asf.
I'd say loot boxes are
Love seeing you play Tekken 8 Dood, keep it up!
"Paying 10 dollars to spend 6 dollars" is probably the thing that bugs the most about modern gaming...
Ohh …oh noo..no ..not the battle pass missing treasure battle
Monetization … Monetization is happening.. All after the stellar review period. How convenient 😢
Rocket League’s Rocket pass and Hell Diver 2’s War bonds are good examples of how to do the season pass well.
In my opinion, Battle Passes don't have any business being in a fighting game. Period.
Remember when Harada tweeted that costumization pieces from other games aren't just a "port them over" issue? Which is mighty ironic since everything in the battle pass is ported from Tekken 7. If it wasn't that easy then why are you recreating the same items for the 3rd time instead of actually making something new that isn't just "stock sweater"? They even charge you money to use a literally untextured ball and things PORTED FROM SOULCALIBUR. Bamco and Harada are a joke, they want to make money but don't want to put in any effort.
Stop Asking Harada for Shit!
Alot of Tekken 7 stuff was just tag 2 items. Tekken 7 did the same bullshit practices
Dead or Alive 5 has the best stages (and stage interactions) ever. Change my mind!
As a former Dead or Alive 5 player, you are absolutely spot on. I still love that game and even catch myself playing it every now and then. Plus the game mechanics felt the best to me for a 3D fighter.
Kicking someone down the stairs in MK Armageddon still makes me chuckle.
was wonderin why the game felt weird as fuck lol back to SF6 I guess
Enjoy playing the worst battle pass SF6
@@luping9941 Enjoy being on Harada's nuts like you always are.
I think that in the example with Bryan and Kuma, the stage hazard still activated because Kuma hit the wall mid-combo, resetting hazard activation. Maybe.
I have played only ONE game that had a good battle pass and that was Borderlands 3. Part of the Season 2 DLC pass you got 3 battle passes that released over the course of a few months. They are permanent and you can switch between them freely. There’s a lot of dumb cosmetics but severely cool pieces of gear as well. It’s through a through a reward system for those ride or die people you play the game every day. It’s great it applies to your account so every character you make has access to it, no complaints especially since I got it as part of a DLC bundle.
This is what capcom and Bamco need to do if they want to do "battle passes" 1. One kind of in-game currency that can easily be earned by playing both single player and online content; BY PLAYING THE GAME. 2. Costumes and battle pass content can be earned by playing the game and using the in-game currency. 3. when battle pass is done: its in the shop to be bought with in game currency. 4. costumes and dlc can be unlocked or bought. 5. If people want to buy the in-game currency, they can. Guilty Gear Strive takes the W here. It just has a season pass for characters and stages. The colors can be bought in the psn store. All the shit in the game can be unlocked by playing the game and using World Dollars to fish for them, and theyre not using battle passes.
Really cool Video Max. This Latest Patch has definitely got alot of Playing in a head spin at the mo.
EDDY IS PISSED AT MAX IN THE THUMBNAIL 😭😭😭😭
Unintuitive is the word everyone is looking for in regard to the stage hazards.
Thanks for giving rumbleverse a reference lol god I miss that game
There should be a hit limit on the walls and floors similar to GGS at up 2 or 3 hits on wall before the wall breaks and maybe floor hazard go off after 2 grounding hits. For breakable walls and floors with zero explosions there should be no impact damage when you go through it and for explosive wall and floor damage is added in as if it part of the combo itself so nerfs itself in combo strings.
46:44 probably my favorite part of the video and a very clear cut through a lot pf the online noise
That Eddy Thumbnail legit has Meme Material
Mama Mia, I think im in love 😩
@@rainierzx9677 ?
As someone who barely played T8, seeing all the nutty shit that happened when I started understanding my character was invigorating. it filled me with hype and had me going "Oh SHIT that was sick! Leme do it again..." but hearing all this has me on pause and wondering how fun it'll feel now.
Don’t watch these videos they are lazy as hell. The game is fun as hell. I wouldn’t buy the battlepass. A new shirt has no effect on the game. People like to cry on the internet
@@SquashMelendez I trust max, honestly.
@@SquashMelendez You aren't even trying to have a conversation, you're just deflecting. You came to the comment of this vid to not do that.
Just play the game…if we are being honest, this is only affecting competitive players in tournaments. The combo creativity is their but with Tekken your constantly learning which is why i try to learn the entire moveset and combo varieties and not the same ones over and over. Max is worthy of being heard but you got to see for yourself too
Immediately knew this was gonna happen the moment harada started talking about modern micro transaction concepts on twitter
Katsuhiro Harada: *puts a battle pass* Also Katsuhiro Harada: "DO NOT ASK ME FOR S--T!"
Exactly -_-
Don’t buy the pass boys hold strong. 💪
Too late
Agreed, though what is even there there to buy? Is not like you get much content anyways but some specific character customization
@yamatosama6028 He's probably part of an echo chamber. He's just running with the opinion of others that this isn't acceptable because they're holding back content (from earlier games) to resell it to you later. Meanwhile, Tekken 8 came out with a bunch of characters from older Tekken games missing, with them having the probability of being resold to you later down the line. So, they were perfectly fine supporting this practice by purchasing Tekken 8, but now expect YOU & ME. To adhere to their standards by stopping where they drew the line? Hell to the no, my line hasn't been crossed yet.
@yamatosama6028 But that's the problem with echo chambers, you don't think for yourself and instead echo the opinions of others. If the opinion doesn't make any logical sense, you'll end up looking like a joke, since you aren't able to have a logical discussion about it, since logic wasn't used to come up with that opinion to begin with. That's why most of these people I try to have a logical discussion with end up name-calling and ignoring me afterwards.
@@DBTHEPLUG you have no idea how bad this type of thing can get. Once it gets past a certain point in the outrage, you'll get people who don't play the game, never had any interest in playing the game, and never will play the game, being VERY VOCAL about things they don't know anything about. They just echo bad takes and often literal lies they heard from others because they have, and bear with me here, social FOMO on the outrage bandwagon. That is hard for me to even type.
If u got something to say about the game. I'll genuinely listen. Most people who complain about the game just complain. But you actually take the time to check and figure out what's happening lol
Well said
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I am so, SO fucking sick and tired of having every single fighting game discussion video on KZhead be reduced down to “T8 IS KILLING SF6” or “BLAZBLUE WAS ALWAYS TRASH (AND HERE’S WHY)” It’s the most boring, disingenuous bullshit. It’s anti-content, anti-entertainment. Should be outlawed.
@@zombieeightpack1381The landscape in entertainment nowadays (including video games) almost requires people to make clickbaity, bad faith takes in order to express their opinions. Otherwise, you'll be ignored for having the "wrong" viewpoint.
@@zombieeightpack1381It's a tabloid mentality
What I saw from the Bryan combo is he relaunch him into airborne state in order to get the floor break
If they wanna nerf the floor and wall break stuff, just make the damage scaling after those things higher
It's already low. Stop touching shit. Everyone loved the game when it first dropped, why tf would you change what won us over. I stopped at Tekken king. Too much pluggers getting rewarded and it's pissing me off as well. Then I can't watch replays to learn Eddy if I don't own him? Fuck that.
80$ game that you need to buy 3-4 more dlcs to have the full roster of the game now asks for more money for some battle pass shit. Nah, im gonna pass.
You're gonna battle pass
@@dannyboots 🤣🤣🤣You know whats funny? I thought of writing exactly that. But my comment was supposed to be serious so i left it aside.
29:54 I couldn’t agree more with you there. The first and only character I learned at launch was victor because I’m an eddy player ( who finally got him ) and I would have people message me even after beating me by cheesing or normally and say “you’re victor you deserve it. He’s cheese”. Like bro…
I've been an Eddy player since Tekken 3. I picked him up yesterday, started practicing with him, seeing what old moves he still has, good lord....he's almost a whole different character now. Actually, I feel like he's almost too good in this game.
Imagine a game launching so damn well....and then gets progressively worse with updates when it should be getting better with each update.
The tumbnail already explains a thousand words Max 😂
BEFORE: BUYING A GAME AND ALL UNLOCKING BY PLAYING GAME NOW: BUYING A GAME WITH BUYING EVERYTHING TO COMPLETE UNLOCK THE GAME *MICROTRANSACTION SERIOUSLY KILLING THE ENTIRE GAMING COMMUNITY*
Max really described a lot of tekken players well when he said "they hate most of the characters on the roster and like their character ". Also, i understand how max feels about people bitching about his character cuz i play hwoarang and lars
Tbf if you play Hwoarang, the hate is warranted😂
@@dongoyo584 bruh😭
@@dongoyo584 That's not being fair. See? You're doing the same thing he just talked about.
As a Hwoarang main since T3, I feel your pain. Peeps just get tired of getting sat on all the time, lol.
@@maximumdeejay After you fight against Hwoarang 7 times in a row in ranked and they all do the same thing, you start hating him lmao. Thats why everyone hates Hwoarang
My issues with Eddy, as a new player to Tekken 8: He was available for ranked right out of the gate, even before he was general access; this ties into my second issue, you can't even practice against him in dojo mode unless you pay the money to unlock the character... meaning if you don't spend the money, you are stuck just queuing into Eddy matches and hoping you learn fast enough. Which to a veteran fighting game player, sure that's understandable to expect... but to new fighting game players that is a huge turn off and leads to frustrations that will cause people to turn away from the game.
King main here: King's Jaguar sprint (point and run) locks King into 5 options during the sprint. 1 (mid punch), 2 (high lariat), 3 (mid sobat kick), 4 (low kick), and a 5th option being a grab. The patch before Eddie dropped (I think) they added in a 6th option on Jag Sprint where he could hold back and block. I rarely used it before the block option was added because it felt very unsafe to quick attacks and counterhits. Hope this helps.
The one that bothers me the most is SF6, because it affects the actual characters Like, MK1, Granblue, Tekken, etc, you just buy the character for industry standard prices, subject to regional pricing and whatnot, and you can pretty much ignore the cosmetic stuff SF6 on the other hand forces premium currency shenanigans on you when you want to get the characters, you either have to buy the same coin pack twice, or the one that leaves you with a ton of leftover currency And of course, that means that if you live in certain regions, you're paying twice or more the price that other companies are asking for the characters
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@@mydrillasanjay5397 Good luck paying for straight dollar conversion lmao
You do the same thing in Tekken 8. What's worse is you can't learn or even watch replays with dlc characters if you don't own them.
@@sky-oq5mr So in Tekken you buy characters with the premium currency too? Damn
@@Sorrelhas Yeah it's the same thing. You cannot watch any replay with Eddy if you don't own the character, lots of people have said that.