The New Hummer EV Truck DOESN'T DRIVE Like You Think In the Snow Because Of This One New Feature!
2022 ж. 28 Қар.
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It all comes down to tires. A minivan with snow tires would probably handle the snow better than this thing with mud swampers on it.
Definitely.
It’s like 9k pounds so it doesn’t want to slide in deeper parts much it just plows through like a snow plow
The tire is not a mud tire it's an all terrain. Goodyear says the m/t stands for multi-terrain. Goodyear still males a dedicated mud tire as well. But yeah, tires make all the diffrence..my Honda civic with studded snows does way better than my gmc 3500 on mud terrains.
It’s mostly the driver. But tires help.
Exactly this
By “testing” TFL means the went to play with new toy in the now! Father and son shenanigans! Fun stuff!
Roman: "Get to the Hummer!"
1:20 The interesting aspect of AWD in EVs is that it functionally acts like a blend between ICE AWD and 4WD systems.
Astute observation. I suspect a quad motor setup would be pretty incredible with the right programming. Sadly I flipped my R1T before I could play in the snow but I bet Rivians are the top dog for ev snow performance
with 3 motors it’s like having locked centre and rear diffs. Low range isn’t necessary with an EV drivetrain, so the only improvement would be a locking front diff, or 4 motors!
Love when y’all do snow drives
While it's not a practical car by any stretch of the imagination, man oh man is that some impressive engineering in that car!
I think better tires are warranted. At least some 3 peak all terrains. It's 9,000lb...stopping and control are important.
Ummm they won’t cut it cuz my Raptor has em stock (obvi) & I swapped to dedicated studded 35” Nokian snows & it’s now unreal in the snow
Hey, I am glad that you said you are going to be testing how much power of the battery loses in the cold, I am from Manitoba Canada that is going to be a huge consideration in the future
I had quadrasteer on a 2003 truck. It was awesome, but for most icy roads I turned it off for those drives. I felt it contributed on the highway to a slide in one situation…
Haha listening to satellite radio CHILL station on a very wintery day was a great touch! Nice fun lil video , nice to have occasionally to differ from the typical high production quality ones.
Always pleasure to see father and son working together And I would love to see Allison and Duramax on one of these babies that would be sick !
4 wheel steering in the snow means that, for a given turn, the front tires don't need to be at as much of an angle as with 2ws, so they have better traction. They share the necessary steering angle with the rear, balancing the load. In snow and ice, you lose a percentage of traction in both the linear and lateral directions. I'm sure we've all experienced times when you could steer, but couldn't change directions as much as you needed to. This 4ws reduces that tendency. It seems more squirrely not because it's losing control, but because it's gaining agility. You can ease out of the steering angle sooner during the completion of your turn.
Thanks for the thoughtful comment
@@TFLEV I enjoyed watching y'all play in the snow! You're giving us a first glimpse of how these EVs work in snow, and specifically 4ws. Seems very beneficial.
Yup it takes less input! I barely have to turn my Quadrasteer
Thanks for the review, I'm sure with snow tires on that thing would almost be unstoppable. Can't wait to see how the batteries does in the cold, may not be any change.
The change will depend on how much energy the battery warmer uses. There will be some range loss. Lithium Ion batteries are sensitive to the cold and shut down if they get to cold.
Not sure on this, but annectdotal evidence my coworker has a tesla model s and doesn't even drive in most of the winter because of the drop in range.
With all that excessive weight it is unstoppable indeed, but I don't think it's a good thing.
@@vwlukas U just slide down snowy hills. It would probably be impossible to get up hills with all that weight too.
Love the reviews ! as always
That does look like a lot fun, I watched the Hummer EV revolution video documentary we’re they showed the winter testing in Upper peninsula Michigan great sliding clips
Did you ever try the off-road or terrain modes in the snow ? Any changes in the driving experience using them ?
It’s a first snow video, the testing is coming later.
Thanks for video. Cheers from WI!! Agree… good in snow. Thinking about going to a blizax tire. Side note… Try crawling over 2-3 foot fresh snow banks… so much fun! Truck walks right through them!!
Hope you buy a good set of studded snows and see how they perform. Regarding the four wheel steer what is it like to catch the back end when it walks out? Usually this is in a corner but it can happen on a straight stretch. Normally it is just a quick correction on the wheel and you have it under control. Does four wheel steer require a different technique? I've always wondered but never knew anyone with a pickup that had it.
Would be great if you could try it with snow tires too,
I hope they do, although given the price of the wheels+tires on it I’m not holding my breath
My XC70 was the best vehicle I've owned in the snow. The only thing that stopped it, was deep snow packed into an intersection, I high centered on it. If it was powder though, I can make it through snow higher than the bumper.
I have a 2020 V60 Cross country with Blizzaks on in winter it's a beast.
I couldnt find a ko2 in stock this year with all the shortages, ended up with w MT Baja Boss and so far in the snow its been fantastic (they are 3 peak under 315)
You can tell Tommy was happy when driving the hummer. His tail was wagging.😉
8:15 Makin all the GMT800 owners proud mentioning the 2000’s Quadrasteer!!!😜
The best vehicle I personally have ever driven in the snow here in Central NY is my dad's 1970 chevy 4x4 with a straight 6 and 3 on the tree. It had those very deep tread narrow tires that i wish I could find now.
You should be able to get pizza cutters depending on the size of your rims, but often they only come in heavy 10 ply tires.
Theres a decent amount of 35/10.50 tires out there depending on your wheel size
4:30 The triple windshield wipers always remind me of Total Recall...
FJ Cruiser
Have em on my FJ. Parts guy will install them just to check out the three wipers 😂
But the Cybertruck is most like the Johnny Cab
i've always found hydroplaning in rain a very significantly bigger danger than sliding around in snow. never have had much trouble driving in snow probably cause u r expecting trouble. hydroplaning in rain however hits u out of nowhere.. yes so much depends on the tires u run.. and what shape they r in..
4 wheel steering may become more common only so car makers can keep lengthening their EV wheel bases, to fit ever bigger batteries. I was thinking if/when I get my V60 T8 next year, I might consider running cross climate 2s year round, instead of having a dedicated winter wheel set. But seeing something this torque-y slide the rear around so easily is a lil disconcerting.
I bet CC2s would do much better in these conditions than the MTs here. Anything with a 3PMSF rating would likely help a good bit TBH.
This trucks cool factor shoots through the roof with the snow. It just looks super cool in a snow storm, wouldn't mind a poster of that truck in the snowy suburban background.
Will be interested to see your thoughts if you do switch out tires for 3 peak rated ones like ko2, I recently did the opposite, swapping the nearly new ko2s on my GX460 for the territory mts and found the good years to have better snow performance in my experience.
KO2 is so over rated
😁 A vehicle that weighs almost 10,000 pounds operating on snow and ice is a challenge beyond most of the drivers I’ve seen with standard Hummers.
“Watch us drive the Hummer EV on the set of a Hallmark Channel Christmas movie”
Definitely needs full on Winter tires for some better grip especially when stopping. I had to switch out my stock m+s’s that came with my Tesla to Michelin X-Ice’s because of the lack of grip. Now the performance is much better
They weigh so much- that crap can is like 8k lbs(!) *Just having rubber tires should be more than enough for grip. If you need more than that, should probably get a proper vehicle
For this vehicle id likely recommend the Cooper AT3 XLT. I have them in 37” for my Diesel JT in the winter and they are freakin phenomenal. They aren’t studded but they are close enough that I don’t need anything better. They also seemingly last forever. I swap my entire fleet of work trucks to them when the typically garbage stock tires wear out. In heavy commercial use the half tons get 70k+ miles.
I run Studded Nokian Hakkipilettas in 305/70R17 on my ‘20 Raptor & essentially I can drive “as if” there is no winter conditions
AT3's are great tires! In the wet and snow the perform well and they are quiet on the highway.
I've been driving since 1967 and I've never had snow tires or chains on any of my cars, and I've driven in up to 28 inch snow fall and never got stuck.
Were you on a gravel road or did the tires tear up the asphalt (2:40)?
I personally love going just rwd. For playing in the snow. Be a good option for gear heads wanting to fish tail for miles, in the Michigan winters. Awd is the best for just going , but rwd is a riot for just playing.
...and this was on a gravel road in summer, so fishtailing on snow/ice is no surprise. "One thousand electric horses fired to the knobby Goodyear tires, which dug into the gravel and vaulted the pickup forward with purpose. It probably got to 60 mph in about four seconds, and that was accompanied by the kind of fishtailing you see on KZhead just before a show-off Mustang owner hits the median. I was smart enough to let off the throttle before it got out of control. "
Great review guys
Thank you for watching.
i knew that neighborhood looked familiar, i used to be a glassblower in the warehouses down on lee hill a few blocks from you
Can we get some content on the hvac system? Does it heat the cabin as well as a regular vehicle?
Why did you not want to use off-road made for the snow? And how long does it take to get warm when you get in? Are the headlights heated any issues seeing in the snow?
Hey guys just found the channel! I'm in CO Springs would love to see the hummer EV out and about one day
what happened to the winter offoad range test?
0:17 lmao 😂 Great video…can’t wait for us to get some of that white stuff here too. Just too cold and no snow.
Does it stop better if you use heavy regen?
What does the JACK look like?? It has some height & weight to overcome; might want to practice before Moab.
Does it have a heat pump for interior heating? Or is it electric resistive?
The GM EVs that have Ultium batteries have heat pumps.
I believe I have read the Ultium platform vehicles use heat pump systems.
always wondered why 4 wheel steering seems to come and go with auto manufactures. it never seems to catch on, but seems so useful.
It is an awesome vehicle. We don't have your conditions in Australia but very impressive.
How well would high snow rated AT tires perform on this?
Dang, I used to do this kind of stuff in my youth and didn’t get paid for it, you guys got it made…..
Can you turn the rear stear off?
That's a great looking spare tire carrier!
Some areas like mountainous regions require snow tires or chains. Can chains be affixed to these things?
Why wouldn’t they be? A wheel is a wheel. I know some automakers don’t want you to use them, but I imagine it’s to cover their behinds if something goes wrong (whatever that maybe)
@@XceedDriver Generally speaking, clearance. This vehicle also steers front and rear which can be problematic.
What was it filmed on?
Makes me wish it snowed here so I could try my Quadrasteer out 😅
I enjoy watching an average snow storm. After the 5ft snow storm in Buffalo everything looks easy now 😂
Battery life and strength are extremely important. Especially if you don't have a garage. Even more especially in the cold iceberg states. A vehicle that heavy and high clearance shouldn't have any problems in 3 to 7 inches of snow. It's 8 to 20 inches made into gigantic deep snow drifts when blow by 30 mph winds and the temperatures are in the single digits or negative digits is when the bigger problems arise.
One of the dealerships here in WA state has the GM hummer listed for 220,000 used. 😂😂😂😂😂
Test it out in deep snow at Tumbleweed vs Andre's F-150 and the Ram 2500. The 1/2 ton will be better due to the weight difference.
Funny how he put his hand in the snow and knew it was 4 inches 😂
Roman says he knew it was 4 inches because your mother told him😉
@@TFLEV haha all love buddy❤. P.S. I just preordered a Lightning.
What a bummer how things are changing I'm so glad I bought my hummer when I did not into electric vehicles.. The only bad thing is the fuel prices when you get 8 to 10 mpg.. Im seriously considering switching to propane..
My 911 GT3 has 4 wheel steering but I usually don’t use it in the snow
Wonder how it would perform with Mattracks mounted...
My opinion: MT suck on ice or packed snow. Good in soft deep unpacked snow.
Q: Is it confidence inspiring? A: Huh.....(let me ponder) Question answered already.
Hey my Fuji Cruiser has 3 wipers too 😗
Does that thing have heat and how does it work
Definitely need to see how a winter tire does on this. Right now not too impressed with how much tail wag there is.
I thought it was a mustang gt driving in the snow
Another question would have is being that the batteries are underneath the vehicle how will it hold up with all the salt usage on the roads ? Let’s not forget what happen in Florida with the ev cars and salt water
Finally, Hummer EV content
4wheel steering has been around for over 30 years now. It came on a ton of jdm cars in the late 80’s - early 90’s
You should do a parking in different kind of spots and parallel crab parking
My 1992 Honda Prelude had 4 wheel steering, it was pretty cool.
GM previously had a 4 wheel steer vehicle back in the day in one model of car or truck, but then it disappeared. Any insight on that previous model ?
The AT4 was problematic to say the least. The biggest issue is they mounted the control unit under the truck where it was exposed to everything. The amount of steering angle was not worth the high asking price.
13:29 I just noticed the feature lines on the side of the truck bed and the front fender are the same for the 2023 GMC Canyon and Chevy Colorado...probably the only one that caught that lol
If you have lots of snow each year get snow tires, not all-weather tires. Snow tires are a softer rubber for grip in winter.
i'm confused about the rear sliding out being a concern?
I just got KO2’s and I’m waiting for some snow here in Ohio to test them out. Mud tires aren’t the best for snow lol.
Why doesn't AWD help stopping if all 4 wheels are getting help from engine brake vs in 2wd where only one axle is getting help slowing down from engine brake?
How does the regen braking affect slowing down on ice? Rivians have a hard time on the ice because of this.
I would turn that off in adverse weather. Once I was driving down the highway and found myself suddenly on black ice... I noticed when simply letting off the throttle in my civic the engine resistance was enough to break traction (you could see the tach drop indicating slip also)... I hit the clutch and the front end stopped sliding towards the low point in the road. I then coasted and slowed way down. I have never experienced such a complete lack of traction before, even the tiniest touch of the throttle in 6th gear would spin the tires.
@@volvo09 Rivian u can't turn it off. Am wondering if Hummer had that ability or not
@@WrekEE yes I think it can be turned off and is recommended to do so in the owners manual. Pick up Plus SUV talk just had a video on that.
If you watch the video they talk about the abs being built into the regen also
@@donaldsalkovick396 that's how some Regens work. Tesla as well. However Regen and braking if it's too aggressive...your tires will lose traction on ice
The rear wheels are turned the wrong direction during the fishtailing to regain stability. This seems like an easy software fix for mud and snow.
Needs high silica cold temperatures tires with directional blocking and siping, real snow and ice tires. NOT all season wannabes.
So, so important, and far more important than any all-wheel drive system.
Actually more so than anything on the road because of 9500 lbs and 1000 hp.
Whenever I see this EV Hummer, I instantly think of MW2 lol. This vehicle is very fast but also very weak in MW2. Looks amazing in the snow!
as to why snow tires 3PMSF are not made mandatory in snowy states is beyond me...the difference from all seasons is so noticeable and an obvious safety advantage...always nice to stop when and where you want...
How is it for plowing snow? 😁😂 might see about it or the lightning
It probably only goes like 90 miles in the snow to begin with add pushing snow to it and it probably won’t have any useable range
@@defectivedegenerate4046 sure would be interesting to watch. I'm sure it would have no problem with torque
That snow wouldn’t even be a challenge in my Honda Fit on snow tires.
I would like to see a test with proper chains (and here i do not mean ladder type chains i see used in us) but proper heavy duty off road diamond link chains against mt tires off road in snow and mud.
I’ve never seen anyone use those kinds of chains outside of really heavy equipment in logging or mining industries.
@@MountainPF in europe some people use them on off road vehicles (ok, off roading Europe is a rare thing :( ). I saw them on a small cross over and they seemed phenomenal. Some companies which sell them are Veriga, Konig,..but they do cost a fortune. And yes they are common on tractors, unimogs when they clear snow in mountains
Glad to see that Boulder is continuing its tradition of not plowing streets.
This thing looks like a handful to me. I would like to see it on Falken Wildpeak AT3W's
Most important question? In Winter Times, how much Rage is left? The Hummer looks nice but still would prefere a Diesel Variante.
My first truck was a Datsun pickup and it had some narrow tires on it that were just normal street tire. They real did not have anything more that the grooves running around the tire which all tire have. I would keep 8 blocks in the back for winter driving because it was only a 2 wheel drive truck, and it was rear wheel drive. But that truck with the narrow tire would go anywhere in the snow. That hummer and it's AWD drive looked like it sucked. I do not slide around that much in my 2 wheel drive Yukon when I get on it in the snow
Depends on the type of snow and the depth. I've completely sunk a old 4x4 Dodge with a 360 Magnum and good tires bc the frame got high centered on a drift in the middle of an unplowed highway. Never got stuck in it other than that. If it wasn't for being prepared, having an emergency snow shovel, and fast scooping I'd have had to sit there until plows came through in the morning. Tires help but aren't a cure all!
Started snow tires should be mandatory for winter. I would imagine that vehicle would be quite impressive with studded snow tires.
how about range droped in cold weather?
Just fantastic 💥💥💥💥
This thing is maximum excess on wheels and I don't like it as a concept but I can admit it's still pretty cool to watch it perform in the snow
I live in Colorado and it's not about power it's about traction and on ice or slush it's like being on a jet ski the front end can't turn without the rear wheel giving it power
That spare tire sticking up shows you the forward thinking of GM engineers! Enuff said
No snow mode seems like a big oversight, I use it in my Jeep
Yeah because everyone lives where it snows a lot. Useless feature for California and all of the southern states. Not worth the extra cost for a few people that would drive this in the snow. Majority of the US population doesn't live in places that get heavy snow
@@lilcourtny08 Define "heavy snow." Sure, most people don't live in Buffalo, but the vast majority of people in this country need to drive in snow and/or ice at least a few times per winter. This includes most of the southern states.
@@tbr2109 I don't know what southern states your are talking about that gets snow and ice a few times a year. It was 60 degrees in Alabama where I live close to the Tennessee state line. The southern part of Alabama is warmer. Doesn't snow a few times a year in Alabama, might not get snow and ice for a few years
@@lilcourtny08 The deep south is only about a third of the entire region and, yeah, obviously winter weather is less common there. I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make.
@@tbr2109 it doesn't snow in the south like you said, you don't need to worry about snow in Georgia, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, South Carolina or Louisiana. That is more than a third of the south. Don't need a SUV like a Hummer because it rarely snows
Do a test to see how deep/thick snow the Hummer EV drives?, please.
Studded tires going on mine when and if I ever get it. Waiting for call for ED2 but I got a pit in my stomach like the feeling you got when you gave your number to a girl last night but she ain’t callin’ ya… (Gained a sub with this vid. Thumbs up)
I installed studded snows on an old 2wd 70s era 2wd Chevrolet truck with a 350 4 bbl. Difference between night and day as far as getting around in the winter. Kind of a pain to swap out but worth it!