Here's How The New 2023 Hummer EV Compares to The Ford F-150 Lightning & Rivian R1T Off-Road!
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Here's How The New Hummer EV Compares to The Ford Lightning & Rivian R1T Off-Road!
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When he stopped asking if you needed help you should have exclaimed that you lost your engine! 🤣
I think the French have a saying for missed opportunities for perfect jokes while in hindsight. Unfortunately, I don't remember what it is.
@@h8GW I see what you did there.😂
As capable as it is, the HEV just doesn't belong on most trails. Simply too wide and too heavy.
And everyone wants the raptor to be wider🙄
It's sad that a $100K vehicle is somewhat normal these days. It just proves how badly the value of the dollar has been eroded.
@2:52 - you missed a perfect opportunity to blow that guy's mind by telling him you were having engine trouble and asking if he could take a look. He obviously thought the hood up was a sign of trouble as it of course it generally is for ICE cars.
An impressive amount of engineering by GM. That weight though...
Honestly, this vehicle might actually be bad for EVs in general, because of the number of folks out there who make sweeping generalizations.
A video on how to change flat tire, please…😅
I think you need to take a cdl class for that 😂🤣
Hahahahaha
you need a forklift
Great meeting you Roman! I pinstriped the heck outa the R1T where we next took it, will see how it does when I wash it today. 👀 All good - bought it with the intention of beating it up.
See if you can pinstripe the Cybertruck next year -- I wonder if the stainless steel will be up to it.
@@CrumResearch , the term du jour would be “brushed steel”? 😅
@@envirolambert Great point, the brushing by bushes on trails will probably not be very noticeable at all, and fit right in with the brushed steel appearance of the Cybertruck. Cool, we'll see in the real world maybe next year.
Roman says it was great meeting you as well. Cool that you are using your truck off-road.
@@CrumResearch next year 😂
Off-roading starts around 13 minutes. Anything before that is just a review of the vehicle if you have seen any of the plethora of reviews out there before.
Please show a video changing the tire.
5ton jack lol
The jack is an additional 1500 bucks and was not optioned here. 🤣
tow it to a shop with a 10 ton lift
If the trend continues in this segment, trails may need to start implementing weight limits/restrictions lol
Or just add cement posts to restrict width; all the heavy vehicles are also extra wide, so it’s easy to block them without relying on them reading and respecting weight restrictions.
TREND? Ha! There won’t be a trend because everybody simply ain’t able to build one of these and execute it at this same level. If that were the case those trucks would be on the market by now. How long those musky men been waiting for that Cybertruck again? ‘Trend’ how hilarious.
Amen brother. Rich man’s mall crawler.
@@mybro727 you make no sense. Rivian and the lightning are being produced. Cyber truck is taking it's dear sweet time but it will eventually come
@ardenthebibliophile They're the type to include the Maverick with the negatives of an F-350.
You bring up an interesting point. What does the OEM jack look like? That thing is so heavy, the jack has to be pretty durable.
Use software to lower the opposite wheel and raise the wheel with a flat, then all you need is a floor stand to support the weight of the lifted corner before then “lowering” it to get it off the ground.
@@Cloud30000 No way they would get away with using the air system, even if its just to make jacking it up easier.
@@Stuka87 I know what you mean; that would be like getting away with not providing a spare tire, or obstructing the view out the rear window with the spare tire.
@@Cloud30000 I meant the liability of having somebody under a 9K lb vehicle that is relying on software and balancing to keep it up.
@@Stuka87 oh, I meant including a (much smaller) 6-10k lb rated floor stand instead of a 6-10k lb rated jack to hold the vehicle’s weight; the air system just lifts it, then you put the floor jack under it and set it to the right height, then “lower” the tire to get it off the ground. All weight would then be on the floor stand and tires, making it just as safe as a jack would be. Still need the floor stand, but those are much smaller and lighter than a jack for the same weight rating.
Great video! Really informative.
Best off road but never goes off road.
That steering wheel heating switch is just a precursor to what a money pit you're getting for the price...
The Heated Steering wheel switch is probably disabled due to semiconductor shortage and likely has a retrofit order on it
I got the impression that it was working when they got it, but it stopped working while in their possession.
@@Cloud30000 🤡
I believe you guys was at the Cybertruck unveiling, which truck has more rear leg room?
Nice overview with some positive words for the Hummer EV! Review the Hummer SUV when you can... More comparison like for AC outlets -- what power output? Nowhere near Ford Pro Power Onboard (9600W), right?
Guys- this video is kind of a throwaway. I get you have limited time and you need to crank out content, but i learned almost nothing. this would have been a great time for an assistant to actually film the truck driving off road and through obstacles. i learned nothing about its capabilities off road i couldn't already have guessed. I will certainly watch the red cone video, but maybe this video should be named something else, since the other two trucks weren't in the video and you didn't really take this 'off-road' in any real sense. And I can definitively answer whether you can charge 50% of the Hummer battery on a level 2 charger overnight-- No. No you can't.
stuck in the wilderness with no battery juice? Solution: Canoe in a replacement battery, install it and you are on your way. Throw the no-juice battery in the back.
Seems the Hummer needs a lots of pedal travel "Low" mode. Max regen with minimal power input. Put a xxkW limit into the "E" Pedal.
I love how “the greatest off-roader” GM came out with has an OPTIONAL spare tire. And that spare tire blocks your rear view/rear view mirror camera and takes up 50% of your bed space.
Did you say the top panels were plastic? I hope that’s a mistake. I also noticed you had to put it in off-road mode and then set the suspension for off-road height… For this $$$$ I’d expect a more integrated experience.
I'm guessing lexan, but it looks like everything else is plastic!
I can't wait to drive one off road looks so awesome!!!
So happy you guys got a the Hummer EV i can't wait til you take it towing.
Lol they might get 70 miles out of it
I would love to take my gladiator through this trail but im stuck in freaking new jersey where the trails are flat and illegal
$100,000+ no longer that crazy? Just because multiple people/companies do something doesn't make it NOT crazy. Its crazy. Thank you for the informative video though. Bada$$ toy
A parking lot with Costco sized spaces is where this unit will be most comfortable.
"9,440" lb. 😉 Interesting how in that scale video it was important to be spot on, yet here, it is "close enough" to throw around 9, almost 9, etc. ;) And you know Roman that your love affair with the TRX was undeniable. I don't think you would take this HEV over the TRX. ;) And I know you would not take the Raptor over the TRX.
Wait until the super charged V8 Raptor comes out; he loved the engine more than the truck, and just hasn’t had another super charged V8 to compare it to :)
All these off roaders are getting to be unobtainable with the price they are making them. No one will be touching these for under 120k realistically. Hopefully a company can make a sub 50k EV off roader
Hopefully the Jeep Recon is “reasonbly” priced
Wrangler 4XE Willys can give you an all electric off roading experience for around $50k with the tax credit, and I'd expect the Recon to be somewhere in that area as well.
You’re talking as if GM built the Hummer edition 1 and that’s where they’re going to stop. 🤡
@@mybro727 huh?
Watched the video where you guys charged it. Hitting 300kw charging in that video is pretty crazy. Excited to see how fast we can charge in the future.
Ten years from now EV charging will be in the same ballpark as filling up a 30 gallon gas tank, time-wise.
Fast-charging is bad for battery longevity. I'm not looking forward to seeing all of the waste created by trying to use the wrong solution to solve a problem.
It charged really fast really briefly.
It is cool, if I had more disposable income maybe. But I'd rather have the lightning I think. I like having a somewhat usable bed for HD runs. I thnk an XLT with extended battery to keep that price down a bit. Kind of absurd how much they charge for the larger battery though. Battery density isn't quite there yet for me on trucks. I'd rather have my XLT 2.7 ecoboost back if I were to get a truck again at this point in time, it worked well for what I needed. Even my Model 3 I get a bit of range anxiety in the winter, especially here in MN. I travel all over the state for work so having that piece of mind in cold temps with a gasser would be nice again. But I certainly like not having to worry about changing oil and other maintenance checks anymore. When battery energy density gets about 25-50% better and charging locations get closer to parity with gas stations, I'd love to get a truck like the lightning. The northern half of MN is pretty sparse for charging options right now.
Great points. The Ford F-150 Lightning XLT trim can be equipped with CoPilot 360 Assist 2.0, and it is the "Assist" part that is required for really nice hands-free operation using either Bluecruise or with Openpilot (which is even better, not just on mapped highways).
I find nothing good about these time a 112000 for a plastic so called truck is insane not to mention that with electric rates soaring and costs esclating not good times so much in a short period of time !, yes these are
How do you change the tire if you have a blowout? What type of jack is strong enough to lift it?
Aren't there 10'000lb portable jacks you can buy?
@@migueljardim8177 Yes but what is GM offering from factory?
@@titohe2481 I am not sure GM sells a jack specifically for the hummer but I would assume it would be an easy buy aftermarket wise.
A 12 ton bottle jack like I carry in my motorhome runs about $35. That's really all you would need.
Totally true buying a professional 10 ton jack or bottle jacks to change a tire but is that's what's in the owners manual from the factory for the customer? I'm sure General Motors has a way to change it and I want to know what they recommend.
500 Miles into ours… traded a ford lightning in on purchase… GREAT SUV/truck/convertible/sports “truck”!! Range is great compared to the ⚡️. Going to be great to watch big 3 (4 with Tesla) compete and better market! Great job on video… keep them coming. Last point… OS on Hummer is way better then ford…. I am shocked GMC does not use “phone as key” or cards like Tesla. Or am I missing something.
Id be curious to see someone modify and hypermile the Hummer EV
As a European I find the size of the Hummer EV offensive. It's literally the least efficient EV you can buy.
Why a rear locker? I thought the two motors in the rear would be individually computer controlled for torque vectoring.
It simulates a locker by having each rear motor sync up and spin at the same rate and speed.
@@sipher3516 what you describe is one state of torque vectoring. If you have the ability to do that why not send different turning speed and torque levels to each wheel for improved high speed handling on the road, and tighter turning as well as better control off road. I don’t know, but if the Hummer could do dynamic torque vectoring you would think they would be advertising it instead of saying they have the much less capable rear locker.
@@larry4fire I think it is doing that when the locker is not engaged. What I meant was, when you engage the real locker, it locked the two motors to the same speeds.
@@sipher3516 I don’t know more about this than anyone else. Hope you are right. But it strikes me as odd if you can individually control the two motors on the rear for speed and torque, why do you need a locking mechanism? One possible reason for a mechanical locker is to transfer the torque from the motor turning uselessly in the air to the other wheel, that wouldn’t happen with an electronic torque vectoring system. It would just shut down the motor if it sensed the wheel spinning in the air.
Torque is good, hp is related to velocity. That's why 4-Low is a torque multiplier with gears. It increases the torque but slows the rate.
I keep repeating myself but man I wish mine was here already have to wait till next year
Did he say TMZ? Like the celebrity gossip site? I'll be interested in seeing how consumption is on this vs lightning/rivian/etc.
Interesting vehicle but I just don't like it as much as I thought I would. The switch being broken already reminded me it's GM. It's way to heavy. It has a huge battery that isn't that great because the vehicle is so inefficient. It has amazing horsepower that is wasted trying to push 9000 pounds around. The Rivian beating it in a race was surprising. The final thing is it's just like the old Hummers, it's so big it's impractical for anything.
This vehicle will not age well at all.
I don't know of anyone that says we're living in good times. The country is a mess and vehicle choice is being quickly eroded. We won't even have a hemi pretty soon.
The vehicle is so heavy I just can't imagine it's good for anything other than overlanding.
Overlanding should be heavy?? I think you got that completely wrong
I think the real issue you’re having with seeing any capability is that it’s a Hummer and not a Jeep. 🤡
@@lonerider5315 no, not that it SHOULD be heavy, just saying that it's so heavy, I see that weight impeding it's off road capability for a lot, so I don't see it being useful for anything except overlanding on trails where weight isn't much of an issue.
@@mybro727 nah, I love my jeep, but I grew up in a GM family, my first vehicle was a Silverado, and I heavily considered a Z71 Colorado when I got my Wrangler. I have no bias against trucks, GM, EVs, or anything else. But realistically, that hummer is as heavy as two wranglers stacked on top of each other. Yeah, it's got big 35" tires and lots of ground clearance and tech to help you, but 9,500 lbs is still incredibly heavy for an off roader. Please don't mistake genuine criticism for fanboyism. I'm a fan of any and all off roaders. But even a fully built and armored Jeep is going to be several thousand pounds lighter than the Hummer. The weight will be an impediment.
@@backwoodstherapy anyone who off roads knows weight is the enemy.
As the EV movement progresses are we seeing automotive gentrification?
It’s just a show off vehicle that is a hassle to do anything else with it
Hater
@@mybro727 Not a hater I love it I would buy it ,but it’s just a hassle to go some places with one
I see that they've brought over the infuriating electric tailgate buttons from the 2019-2022 Sierra/Silverado trucks. I have a '19 Silverado RST and that is pretty much the only thing that I hate about it.
I'm not complaining too much or picking on anybody in particular, but more personally wondering.... A family of five with a Mortgage and normal bills, how do they afford the monthly payment and insurance of any vehicle that cost 60k to 100k+? I've seen some of the monthly payments for some of the newer vehicles that people pay, then the insurance on top of that, it's the same or more than the mortgage on our home is. I just can't fathom paying that per month for something a person doesn't even own outright until it's paid for after 4-6 or so years of payments.
How does the Hummer EV compare in size to the H1?
it sounds so noisy when you accelerate. or it's the powertrain ?
It's the augmented engine noise to make it sound like a gas engine. I would turn that off if possible.
@@andrewt9204 that's what I thought. in the video it sounds really like a small engine. cal be useful in the cities but I also would turn it off almost on off road. hope it automatically stops over a certain speed
I don't know about cross-shopping a RIvian, but it is also being sold as a lifestyle vehicle, complete with camping gear.
Yes the Hummer is one of the least efficient EVs, but for energy use it is still equivalent to a Prius. Not bad for something that will embarrass a 10mpg Ram TRX.
prius is 122mpge this is 47mpge
You're spending 100 grand plus to save a couple bucks per gallon?
@@joeyscleaninglady2877 That's the Prius Prime plug-in hybrid. The regular Prius ranges from 49-56 mpg.
@@MoctezumasRevenge1 Over a year of driving that's $3,000-$4,000 savings in fuel costs.
@@bahamatodd compared to what?
Great video mate
Hood open....need some help with the spark plugs?
The GMC Sierra have four wheel steering back in 2002. Seems like they're trying to make it sound like it's something new.
I’m okay with no power up and down tailgate. I got my truck without it just because it’s one more thing to go wrong
100k plus tho …
@@LafemmebearMusic and if you can’t see where that money has gone then you’re blind
@@LafemmebearMusic 😂😂😂. Only rich people going to the mall will buy this.
I just love 4 wheel steering
Wait ✋️. Did I hear a door rattle when closing the driver side door on the Hummer? Oh I've been wanting to ask. Does the Hummer or any EV have mode that eliminates all unnecessary electronic stuff to conserve power ?
The Rivian can go into a low (not sure of no) consumption mode for camping etc.
Door rattle...broken switch...$112K. I get that it's a press loaner, but those issues don't bode well for long term durability. It should be built better than that at that price.
I thought the Hummer Ev came with the larger 19.2 KW level 2 onboard charger. With an 80 amp home circuit, overnight charging should be doable.
For the cost of installing an 80 amp circuit and custom outlet/plugs, you might as well spend a little more to get a high voltage level 3 charger installed and then use wires that won’t require She-Hulk to carry over and plug in to the truck.
How did TFL get its Hummer? Tom Moloughney from inside EVs had to go to Michigan to test. He had trouble charging it from 0-100% on a DC fast charger, did you have any problems? Also Roman, you turn on EVs not start them .
All of your questions are answered in their other videos.
Roman keeps talking about how the Hummer charged faster than anything he has seen. It charged at less than 500 miles per hour while the Tesla charges up to 1000 miles per hour.
What Tesla had a 212 kWh battery pack? Why are you triggered souls always running to the comparison of Tesla products that have had 10+ years to perfect their battery chemistry to first generation trucks like the Hummer EV? It’s embarrassing to watch you Tesla fanboys go out so bad.
seems more like an offensive linebacker - than a sprinter
I am following this closely. I reserved an SUV Edition1 and I am thinking a lot of what you find here will apply.
Im pretty sure that youll be very screwed if you get your hummer EV stuck in the mud. Good luck trying to get it un-stuck with a tacoma or jeep...
Y’all are getting creative. Why would a Tacoma specifically be the vehicle of choice for a 9,000 lb vehicle? How about something that can easily tow 10k lbs to free the Hummer? No? Am I missing something? Lol. There are so many stupid talking points when it comes to this magnificent marvel of engineering. People are truly triggered by this rig, and that’s a great sign for GMC if you ask me. Who’s buying a Hummer and thinking “I wonder if a Taco or Jeep Cherokee can save me from [insert unprecedented scenario here].🙄
Snatch straps multiply force. I easily extracted a a Ford Superdouchey on 40” rubberband tires from deep mud with my gladiator using a yankem strap
Matt's off-road frequently pulls out much larger vehicles with a Jeep Cherokee. It's all about the technique and a kinetic rope.
A Jeep could definitely pull out a Hummer with the right gear…not so sure with a taco turd!
You're right. A Civic would be much easier to get unstuck. And?
This is a bit off-topic, but could you guys try to replicate Hoovie's Model A towing test? I ask because his range loss is higher expected, especially with an empty trailer. I'm not saying he's a liar, as he might have overlooked something, but he does have an extremely large influence. EDIT: Make sure to account for air density! I keep forgetting you guys live a mile higher than me.
he was driving 70 mph. these guys know to keep it between 30 and 55 mph
A 37.1 foot turning circle is impressive for a railroad car like this, but its not all that impressive for off-roaders. A 4Runner does it in 37.4 feet without rear steer. This is one of those technologies that isn't so much about making it more capable as it is making it acceptable given its size. As for consumption. Yeah, its shit for an EV, but even 1.1 miles/Kwh is nearly 34 MPGe so still pretty great if you compare it to MPG.
@Frugal Family Living No question. My comment was in reference to the conspicuous consumption comment of the Hummer EV. Yeah, its a wasteful EV, but its really not that hard on energy compared to ICE, in fact its pretty great. I couldn't care less when Hummer EV owners run out of range. Even still, a 6 gallon tank at 34 mpg is still 200 miles. Still, anything that can off-road for 200 miles on 6 gallons would be amazing. Its too bad that you can't put a few more "gallons" in with Jerry cans.
“This trail doesn’t need a locked diff”…”the torque is jerky, and the tires spin if I don’t force it to go faster with momentum” I feel like you are stuck in a mindset of how the truck should be driven, and contradicting yourself in the process. You don’t remove two tires off a dual because it isn’t hauling/towing heavy, and you shouldn’t avoid locking the diff when the tires slip because the trail isn’t extreme.
hopefully, the steering wheel is centered on the driver's seat. The last version was not.
I will be very interested to see how Jeep has addressed the torque modulation issue with the Recon.
Agree 100%. A TOY.
Please compare this to that orange F-100 that you guys had converted to EV
Guess you’re not selling the lightning for a Hummer EV
They were able to raise enough capitol by selling other vehicles in the TFL fleet that they didn’t need to consider selling the Lightning, even stating as such in a couple videos because they didn’t want to rush the review of the Lightning. I think they are finding the Hummer hard to acquire quickly with so many back orders, so GM lent them this unit to be able to compare directly to the Lightning while both are still hot topics for the KZhead algorithm.
Since the steering wheel isn't mechanically connected to the wheels it doesn't need to be a wheel at all. In fact theoretically you could drive an EV with something like an Xbox controller. The car doesn't care where it gets its input data from.
While you aren't wrong, think about how many people would NOT be able to adapt to that compared to using a steering wheel their entire lives. I can just see people crashing into things regularly.
@@terrarecon Maybe, but I've operated equipment with joysticks and levers and some configurations are more intuitive. Our minds are very good at adapting to change. I was just pointing out that the traditional controls are no longer needed and entirely new ways can be designed especially with the guidance systems that are evolving that make driving safer than ever.
@@socratesDude I'm not disagreeing with you. Although, I will say, "some" people's minds adapt. People can barely drive with the configuration we currently have now, if you get my meaning. 😂
@@terrarecon I know, "some" people would be left in the dust as usual. Lol
What a beast. I hope a bunch of rich people buy one so I can get one used in about a decade. 😂
Ha! He stopped cuz you had the hood open! 🤣
Audi- Lamborghini should bring back the LM002 as an EV pick-up like the Hummer
This video is almost like sitting in the truck with Roman, talking about likes, dislikes, and opinions. I was surprised at the "engine" sound - almost sounded like a V8 in there instead of 3 electric motors. Does the Hummer give you options for "engine" sound?
Several people have put 37s on them
How can you resist impersonating Arnold Schwarzenegger for this review.
You got the fake engine noises on?!😂
DIdnt TFL prove that the Hummer has the fastest EV charging? So the statement near the end of this video with it taking a long time is contradictory.
Was I hearing piped in fake engine noise?
Is it making a fake V8 noise?
Hummer EV is the ultimate beach truck. Enough room for family and beach stuff. Convertible. Good tire setup for sand. Tall enough for dunes. Comfy air ride. Enough range to not worry about it.
Military Hummers were mostly used in sand.
What about when the beach is busy and there is small parking spots only available
@@rider6.0 Just raise the ride height and park on top of someone's awd rav4.
Don't get stuck. Finding someone to get yank 5 tons out might be a trick.
@@PatrickRich someone tag Matt's Off Road Recovery. 🤣
is this the ev that takes 4 days to charge
Easy on those doors Roman
100k plus heavy offroader 😁
Cool tech but it seems like it is built kind of shoddy and cheap for the price. The door sounds just like the door on my daughter's 14 year old Audi TT with the panel falling off every time you shut it. Looks likes the switches might be just as poorly built as the Audi's as well. I'd much rather have the R1T or the Lightning.
Too heavy! Destroys the terrain it's on. Remember the oath to off-roading? "Tread Lightly"... Nobody needs these kind of tanks.
Is it just me or do they have a muffled engine “roar” inside the Hummer? I could swear I’m hearing one under Romans talking.
Can't wait for the Red Cone video! Wife is debating an R1S vs Hummer SUV. Looking forward to more videos to help us decide.
R1S… wit the hummer you can’t go over some bridges… also there will be a option for the R1S with 400 miles
Do you want something useful, or a gimmick?
Not really and apples to apples comparison. The Ford Lightning is configured to match the model they sell the most of. Now that I have on, I drive around town and I see crew cab short boxes with not very much clearance everywhere I go. People don’t buy trucks that look like the lightning for off Roading. I think it’s tempting to take it off road because EVs good at off-roading.
Does Grave Digger weigh 9000lbs?
I'm confused on GM's marketing when it comes to advertising the hummer power. They claim 1000 HP but 11500 lb. ft lbs of torque. No that is not a typo - 11500, Anyone have any feedback on this?
It’s 11500 ft-lbs at the wheels. Traditionally, torque is measured at the engine, not the wheels. However, when you measure it at the wheels, it’s multiplied because of the gearbox and the wheel itself. The bigger the wheel the higher the torque. Just like when you use a longer wrench, torque goes up.
its called math
There is a gear reduction in the motors. Almost positive each motor makes 350hp 400tq before being multiplied
People boast about how cheap EV charging is, that is until the powers that be (outlaw) petrol and decide to price gouge electric more that petrol, I do hope the power grid will sustain the EV development but to be continued...
That's the thing right? Eventually it's going to cost like a hundred bucks every time you need to charge this thing up. I wouldn't be surprised if the oil companies start branching off into the electricity industry. As far as the grid, I have little faith that there is any will anywhere to spend the necessary money to upgrade. On the other hand, maybe setting these aggressive goals for Evie adoption in 2035 will be the motivation that's needed to get the grid in shape. Instead of just kicking the can down the road, they have a solid date for when they will need to be able to make this happen.
Off-roading doesn’t start until at least half way through. Come on guys
Oh, I thought you were out of breath because you were out of shape. jk Anywho, 1) How does it tow? 2) Ike Gauntlet anyone? 3) Hummer vs Power wagon off-road. Also, is there any after-market accessories or a providers? For example, a tow hitch, light bar, etc. BTW, "only in America?" Not even close: Land Rover Range Rover, Rolls Royce Cullinan, Bentley Bentayga.
Please stay tuned. Many these video are coming.
Is that piped in fake V8 sound?
The big three are building some amazing trucks…continue to lead!
Well , it’s a toy truck…