Why THAT She-Hulk Scene Was So Controversial
2022 ж. 4 Қыр.
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Late to the party but can you blame me. This wasn't really a show anyone was jumping out their seat to go watch. Marvel's Phase 4 gets more underwhelming with each new release, but I'll still give each show/movie a fair shake before passing judgement. This vid was made before episode 2 and 3 came out but not much has changed. Wanted to give my two cents that's hopefully a bit more nuanced than the "STOP WOKE, WOKE BAD" dialogue most people throw at everything MCU.
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The use of the American Psycho business card scene as an allegory for the oppression Olympics is just pure genius.
Well... All races can pull all these cards.
it was honestly soo good
Unadulterated brilliance
Ikr
@@foreignfat6009 Right, but not all cards have been given the same hierarchy by the gamemasters.
Also the fact that she complained about people lecturing her about her own expertise/mansplaining while she herself is telling Bruce who had the "hulk powers" for 15 years while she only had hers for a few days kinda annoyed me.
plus her Hulk powers are actually the dumbed down version of full-blown mindless Hulk before "smart Hulk". And it's really annoying that she thinks her life is harder because she gets cat-called and "might" get murdered by thugs on the street while Bruce has been hunted down for years by numerous armies and people who are far more dangerous than a horny thug in New York.
AKA, Womansplaining...
@@dickmelsonlupot7697 yup, Bruce's journey as Hulk was pretty tragic. He gets hunted down by the US army prompting him to leave his past and seclude himself in hiding whilst trying to find ways to surpress his rampaging anger for years, he goes AWOL again and disappear to a different planet with no recollection of Bruce but just Hulk for two years and he suffered through the events of Inifinity War and Endgame.
@@dickmelsonlupot7697 I think Jennifer Walters wouldn't actually complain so much about being catcalled in the comics
@@nofacedgoldfish6216 Or, rather what the term was meant to explain: Someone preaching to you about something they know nothing about.
Its okay for a character to contradict themselves, but when the story is constantly worshipping them for it. That's a problem.
Bingo. Good characters can contradict themselves all the time! You just have to eventually see some resolution.
If you have "read" fate stay night, you know how good it is to have completely contradictory characterization. But the characters have to realise that and deal with it accordingly. If they never realise then it's pointless. If she doesn't realise that she might be able to control her anger when someone cat calls her is completely controlling her anger, there is a problem. But if she realises the contradictions and changes her mindset or at the minimum acknowledges it it's something at least.
@@pianissimo7121 a fate fan here😮? hello😊! What your favorite fate anime? Mine fate zero.
@@louradean9293 i didn't enjoy fate zero too much. I read the orginal vn and none of the anime seemed good. My favourite anime is Ginatama.
Her being a hypocrite and contradicting herself could have been a flaw that leads to problems for her and she has to overcome to finally succeed in the end, but they never addressed it in the series, which probably means that none of the writers noticed it.
Okay but as a woman, that script you wrote to substitute felt so personal and real, and like something actually touching and hard-hitting even though it covers the same concepts she did. You described the frustration, unfairness and helplessness of it all, when hers felt more like a sharpened spear that was getting ready to punch through a nonexistent argument. Thank you for that btw, super well thought-out video and every joke landed for me lmao
Thank you for watching!
@@NasuPrime no problem dude, I started to binge your other vids and I gotta say I really like what you cover! Your points are well articulated, and your analyses clearly come from a place of care for your work/extensive appreciation for what you enjoy. That's my favorite type of commentary pfft, you've earned yourself an enthusiastic sub to say the least^^ Best of luck with your future content my guy!
Yes. He wrote it so much better. I don't understand why the lines for female superheroes have become like this. I'm a woman, yet the way female heroes talk about being a woman, or talk about men in their lives... It's offputting and she looks like an asshole. The issues female heroes talk about are real, but they are said in such a way that it easy dislike the hero, and dismiss the issue.
And I don’t want to belittle your experience the way the show did Bruce. Each sex has their own struggles and because of the differences between how the sexes are trained from youth and the expectations put on them. The treatment that is viewed as acceptable to do to one isn’t acceptable to the other. Every side has actions they can take that the other can’t that is a form of abuse on the other party. This is why compassion and sympathy is unisex. But people feel that men suffering in silence means that we don’t suffer.
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I think the She-Hulk writers are trying to create controversy to keep people talking about the show rather than writing a better story for the character.
It's working, still not watching this crap though.
ummm it's working, just look how many videos there are already and the season isn't over yet
Precisely 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Yeah that's probably true. They also put in fake angry comments into the show mixing them up with reasonable or somewhat reasonable comments to a downright unrealistic portrayal of misogyny (as in the commenter is like a superhero whos power is being misogynist). They likely do that to stir up controversy and honestly it works from what I've seen on social media.
What, but ain't that stupid thing to do? Why not just make a good story rather than write a controversial?
I liked the “choose a side, oppose a side” point he made, really explains one of the reasons why human beings are always fighting each other.
I think you just summed up tribalism perfectly
It's a childish mentality, kids think this way before they learn any better. Black or white, good or evil. There are no gray areas. If anyone think this way, this person is a lost cause and it's useless to argue with them. This world is much more nuanced than "you're with us or you're with them!!"
Are you Discussing human philosophy in a video about she hulk twerking with Megan the stallion
@@joshdavis5991 Did you even watch the video?
staying always neutral is also gay as fuck
I think you explained this really well. I've watched the 6 episodes that are out, and one of the biggest flaws is that the writers almost exclusively write "men bad" and women, particularly Jen, as good. It feels more like they're using the character Jen (and She-Hulk) as a mouthpiece for their own social and political thoughts, rather than letting Jen... be a character?
Spoilers: it got worse lol
Jen being unfair like that towards Bruce & immediately showing that she does not have her anger under control (this time) is writing her as "good"? I can't remember everything but there were certainly more occasions where she messed up, misjudged etc. & learned. I also remember a certain someone to definitely be written as good as well (as in: not "entirely good" but "also good" aka not "only bad"). Other comments have pointed it out too: Jen can be "selfish" (though I wouldn't call it that- maybe very protective & (rightfully) angry at times) which makes her a great character cause people aren't "perfect" & it gives room for growth.
@@KanashiAtisuto you are right, she has flaws. The problem is, the narrative doesn’t make her deal with those flaws, or even recognize them. It praises her for them. A good hero arc has something to learn, something to lose, or just something to fight against. Going back to those flaws, she has something to learn, but doesn’t. So I assume she’s fighting men, or toxic masculinity. But, a good show doesn’t have you fight against an entire population- that’s what they did here, so it sucked for men to watch. Mostly because the men were all 1 dimensional characters, toxic males. You don’t have to follow any of these guidelines, and they didn’t, and now they have a shhhtt show. Get woke go broke 😂
The whole show is like a really bad rough 1st draft
Here's how I would write She-Hulk. The story would start right after the events of Infinity War after Thanos snapped. Intro/Background: Jen and her crew were driving towards their agency. Singing along to the song from the radio. As they continued driving along the road, they saw a few car wrecks on the side. One of Jen's friend's brushed those of as just a group of teenagers getting into an accident but, the further they went in, the more and more wrecks they began to see. This was when Jen's friend at back began feeling under the weather. They all tend to her to see what's up. Then suddenly. A driverless truck crashed at the back of their vehicle, sending their's hurdling through the barriers and down the hill. Jen soon awoke and all of them scurried out of the vehicle. Coming out with cuts, scratches and bruises with Jen having the worst. The driver and Jen were the only two that got out of the vehicle and looked down to pull their friends at the back out only to be met with empty seats. The driver went up the hill on the side of the highway to call for help. She dialed 911 and called for an emergency. Jen caught up to her to see the horror that had happened. People were injured in various degrees; cries of children filled the surrounding along with the smell of burning fuel and rubber. The area quickly became encased in smoke as the fire caused by the crashes started getting larger. This was when the driver called to Jen and she couldn't believe her eyes. The the foot, slowly crawling up. The driver's body slowly began to fade into dust. Frightened, confused, and weakened. She fell down on her knees to which Jen would catch her. On Jen's lap, she would say her last few words to Jen before completely fading away and those were, "I don't want to die, yet." As she reached to Jen's face. Jen fainted. Later, she woke up on a bed, in a chamber and outside was Bruce, sleeping, looking tired, a mess, and was clearly depressed. She banged on the glass between them to wake Bruce up and asked what had happened. Bruce woke up and upon seeing his cousin, immediately entered the chamber to give her a tight hug. Confused, Jen asked once more. Bruce then asked Jen if she's alright to which Jen would nod. She was still out of touch, as if she had forgotten something. She tried remembering, but all she got was a headache which later triggered her Hulk, causing her pain all over. Bruce knew what was going to happen and got out to grab the tranquilizer made especially for him. As Jen's consciousness started to fade, the last thing she heard was the glass shattering before Bruce shouting her name as if she was charging at him. Later after the incident: Jen would find herself in a room, once again inside a chamber that seemed to be much more secure than the last one. Outside was Bruce, once more. She would ask Bruce what he had done to her and he would answer that he had to do it. He would later bring forth a report and explain the incident to her. Bruce would also announce that they had lost to Thanos and because of that. They lost half of the universe's population. Bruce would then continue to say that she was found beside the road, unconscious and needed medical assistance. She needed a blood transfusion which, at the time, Bruce was the only one who around with blood that was compatible to her. As Bruce told her the story, she would start getting flashbacks about the incident. Her head would ache, she would feel a rush, a burning sensation all over her body. Her consciousness was starting to fade. She would squirm on the floor before letting out a roar. Once again, transforming into Hulk. She would slam unto the glass and see her arms. Her eyes widen in disbelief as she realizes what had happened to her. Pt.2 on next comment.
I am going to pretend this is actually what happened
As I understand it, that's closer to what happened in the comics (Bruce giving her a blood transfusion).
Hey......i.haven't watch the show yet....... don't tell me whatever you wrote isn't even slightly related to the Show.........
@@IwasabletoDisappearafterlitsen nope. It's what I hoped She-Hulk to be. Hence the first part.
@@negativeplayer4446 mofo 😢
That American Psycho joke was hilarious!
Alright, let’s see Paul Allen’s joke now
@@joshdavis5991 “…holoca-“ 😫💀💀
"look at that subtle off-white coloring"
@@doogallas oh my god, it even has a watermark
I am a Latino and i was laughing so f+++ing hard XD
There's this line from South Park that I took to heart. "When you make yourself the victim, you feel like you can justify being an awful person." I want to point this out to everyone. There is NO justification to be a bad person. Period.
Tell that to incels then
@@quietopinion9637 Yes it doesn’t matter who you are
If I’ve learned anything from Watchmen, it’s that sometimes it takes a villain to bring the world together
@@emptyxsuit i'd be careful where you take your life lessons from😂
@@quietopinion9637 I thought White Anglo-Saxon Protestants, personally. Incel works too though, but they themselves are also victims of the patriarchy, whether they realize it, or not. And I think our patriarchal society for the most part came about because of Christianity's spread, and eventual dominance. so them playing the victim and using it to justify their current (and past) abhorrent behavior is a perfect example of the above quote, and also in line with this videos themes.
The edited card scene from american psycho is a fucking masterpiece, just imagine someone holding up a card saying "holocaust".
I just can't root for a character that is immediately amazing at everything they do. It makes it almost impossible to connect with them, and if they never struggle in the story then they never grow.
This is why I am so bored of "woke" writing or however you wanna call it. The characters just serve as a vessel for the writers to preach to you rather than feeling like real characters with weaknesses and struggles. Instead they're made perfect and you should listen to them, bigot. 😆
@@Justmonika6969 imagine if jen went full hulk in her first few episodes atleast and bruce had to stop her, knowing what its like
The character just... Doesn't feel 'human' to me... That's why I can't connect with them.
Yeah it's boring instead of watching some kind of interesting character act the show itself just acts as a cheerleader for the protagonist that can't do no wrong because she is exactly what the writers see as an empowered female individual that half the population should look up to and the other should be afraid of for asserting their 'feminity' haha.
and especially when not only are they amazing, but always in a way that constantly one-ups an already established, well-loved character that should have the benefits of experience in his own field of expertise. "Hulk is the strongest there is" apparently not anymore because her cousin that got similar powers less than a week ago is just better than him even though he had the exact same powers for YEARS.
I always hate the “men have it worse/women have it worse” arguments. We all have it worse in some ways and better in others. Both our problems are valid and some problems may be worse than others but taking them and comparing them all as a whole is basically comparing apples to oranges. No one wins.
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While I agree to an extent, being female today is much easier than being a male. He hit the nail on the head both with the show and what it’s like to be a male. I would add that it even goes much further, it isn’t just we are supposed to be strong and lack emotional support. We as men also are in competition with all other men for women. While all women do is choose who they want. Stats today show about 30% of women are “single”, while 50% of men are single. What does that mean, it means women are sharing the same guys (the top guys). Also 30% of men are involuntary celibate and haven’t had s3x in over a year (some much longer). While women are never involuntarily celibate, if they are it’s because they choose to be. Women reading this are probably like, “yeah, so”? This is the problem, when it comes to dating, women live life on easy mode. While guys, unless you are rich or Chad, are set to max difficulty (or don’t have a chance at all).
@@GhostSal source for the stats ?thanks
@@deliriouspenis You can search them online and they should come up.
@@GhostSal As a women I have to disagree. Socially it is a lot easier for men to sleep with other women. Women are seen as whores/un-pure if they choose to accept any man. It's pretty dangerous as a women to date easily knowing how many creeps(a man can easily be invited to a one night stand compared to a women) there are. Id like to know the stats for the single men and single women, because from my knowledge women are CHOOSING to be single and childless. Are thing that I don't understand is that you claim women have it easier but only mention dating. Why do you only mention dating? Dating as a whole is voluntarily and something people do for fun. Aren't there more pressing matters that affect men? I mean women are more likely to be raped. So there must be something else that affects men more deeply, right? Please state your sources as they don't align with peoples experiences.
She complains about toxic masculinity but is a stereotype of the behavior. Why do these people keep creating 'strong women' characters who are everything they claim to hate?
Because "strong" and "women" matter more than "character". This plus the fear of lowering their ESG score because nowadays "If you create a character with a flaw, that means that you believe that everyone looking like said character has that flaw".
'Cause they got brain rot.
Padmé and Leia were better feminist icons than Rey tbh they just got so downhill with writing women. Heck people in general they suck at writing people and people take the characters wrong. You think Patrick Bateman and The Joker are meant to be role models for young men? Tv characters are just going down the drain even good ones are taken wrong.
@Frosty1029 80%? Is that only the woke media or all media?
we just want good characters that are women but marvel thinks we want a macho man but girl
Nuanced, balanced, positive and fair take on social issues without the usual toxicity, packaged with nerdy content and stellar jokes??? Where have you been all my life?!!
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I loved this, as a woman who was raised with mostly men and brothers (even my mother was more of a man than woman honestly), I watched what they were going through, and they watched what I went through. Both sides need to stop having a pissing contest with each other and focus on improving the world for everyone else and themselves, but no.. Some yall still think women pee out their vagina or don't poop, and it's both sides.
Women don't pee out there vagina??
Women can poop?!?!
Feminists are the ones selling the "women dont poop" thing though.
women can't poop; it's a myth..
@@josephfioretti6851 she must be lying
Bringing up Jennifer's apparent lack of character flaws or failures, and how you think it's duhumanuzing to women touches up on something I've always said about representation in media: If people want to see more representation in media, they have to acknowledge that people from represented groups should be depicted as human beings, flaws and all, in order to be actual characters and not caricatures. Edit: and face consequences for their shortcomings.
She is flawed though, clearly. That does make it more frustrating how things seem to keep seamlessly going her way. If it turns out the writers actually acknowledge how flawed Jennifer is, that'd be great. However, I get the impression that the writers see her outburst in the controversial scene as completely fine and won't have her substantially grow or change. Only time will tell.
@@mr.dr.kaiser4912 Yeah, a writer that isn't self aware of their characters flaws, isn't doing the said character good . But it's supposed to be 8 episode, so let's hope that it gets better
@@rachetmarvel931 I would agree with you on that but I’ve seen how all these shows go so I not gonna put money on it getting any better. Though I’ll be more than willing to eat my words if it does
@@mr.dr.kaiser4912 Not gonna happen ,if you watch the writers describing the character and the way she behaves ,that scene supposed to represent female frustration\fear and the liberating feel that is having the power to "get back at the oppressors".
@@yukiotakata ma dude, you're hearing and yet not listening, this ain't about 'females' getting back to the 'repressors', it's about the daily lives women go through. It's about listening and maybe trying to empathize with the daily struggles of the human condition, in this case from a woman's perspective.
The sheer lack of self awareness as Jen talks about how annoying it is to have your area of expertise explained to you while she does literally exactly that to the person who has had these powers for years is what gets me. As a writer, how do you miss that and make your heroine look like a massive hypocrite?
They're not writers, they're propaganda promoters . That's not how a writer should act.
If you're a writer you should know how character development works. She's obviously given character flaws to redeem upon later through empathy an understanding of the hulk an Bruce. Which is why Bruce looked amused during her rant because he is the audience that KNOWS she clearly doesn't get it. Not that hard to understand. Literally writing 101 for character analysis an redemption. So I very much don't believe you're a writer let alone a good one with such poor observation skills of this scene /episode.
@@crowing3886 I actually appreciate your comment here because you are right. But why would she try to tell someone who's had his powers for years how it works? I feel like she should've been more confused on how to control her abilities. I also get what the op was saying. This writing thing they did does make her look like a hypocrite because her character was already a mary sue. Why would she feel the need to tell him how his power works when she's the one that just got it. And it's worse that during their training scene the show tries to convince us she excels at everything compared to bruce. It's worse when she says she's better at controlling her anger than he is but starts to get angry. That's just my take on that scene. But you're right about character and development and flaws. But also I would like to know, later on in the show does she overcome her "flaws"? And which flaws?
@@crowing3886 please let me know when she redems herself. Spoiler alert, never gonna happen, that's not how Disney, and a crew of show creators chosen based of gender rather than talent works.
@@Mii.. that's exactly why. She's a Mary sue. The most basic trope to "naturally gifted" individuals is having a massive chip on their shoulder while being "good at everything" immediately. You know this because it's literally in your face she's a blatant hypocrite, she hulk's out immediately at the end of the rant. It's very obvious she is written to piss you off with how egotistical she starts off ass. Though as you said she's hardly had the powers so it's clearly manipulating her perspective. That's how redemption arc's work. She's unlikable then redeemed by seeing the light an becoming in synced with Bruce an then working together. Also, if anyone has read the comics she's nothing like this at all. She's already empathetic to Bruce in the comics. Now I could be wrong, she could stay a asshole the entire show lol. I'm just saying how writing goes especially in Mary sue like superhero shows the set up to character development is pretty blatant an her set up is pretty blatant. Her flaw is being egotistical thus not being empathetic to others let's her ragr take control. She's in denial because of it. So when her world falls apart an all the problems Bruce warned her about she'll be enlightened an work with Bruce an be understanding an apologize. That's just how these writing tropes usually happen. Anything could happen though.
I haven't watched it yet but I've already seen a lot of takes on the show and this is definitely the best one. For some reason, not many youtube commentators have figured out how to criticize female characters or "woke" writing, as well as highlighting the unique problems men face, without being misogynistic. It's hard to take a review seriously when the underlying thesis is "ew feminism." The way you explained things and your rewrite were great. Imma watch for Tatiana Maslany, but I have a feeling I'm gonna struggle through it and wish we had your version of She-Hulk instead.
Feminism is a war crime and should be treated accordingly.
Yeah I hate that too. It was the same thing with Star Wars, Star Trek, and Doctor Who. Looking for criticism that wasn't layered on top of misogyny was WAY more difficult than it should've been. Seeing so many commentators mistaking misandry for feminism is so disheartening.
@@pjsmith97 Misogyny is good.
The "ew feminism" probably has something to do with the fact that Feminism as a movement has been making an absolute joke of itself for well over a decade by this point. It's hard to find anything remotely positive about Feminism anymore, and even the positive stuff is drowned out by the mountains of sheer stupid going on. Feminism won the fight in every way that mattered quite a long time ago, at least in the U.S. and most other first world countries. Rather than just going "mission accomplished" or refocusing their efforts upon the parts of the world where this doesn't hold true, instead to justify the continued existence of the movement they find more ridiculous and petty crap to treat like the next big crusade.
I love the video, you made a lot of amazing points. Bruce Banner/Hulk has always been a fascinating hero for me, because he's the personification of uncontrolled anger, and most mediums featuring the character do an excellent job displaying how rage can be just as destructive as it can be helpful. In our society, anger is one of the few emotions men are encouraged to feel, but they're never really taught how to deal with it. The MCU films really explored this point, hammering home the idea that "Banner is helpful, Hulk is useful." The calm, collected Banner can be relied on, but when it comes to crunch time, we call the Hulk to get stuff done. To me, it made sense that Banner struggled more with his emotions, and found it more difficult to come to a place of understanding. Losing control was something others wanted and expected from him at certain times, so of course he'd never feel like he was in control of his emotions. As he said in the first Hulk film, the best he could hope for was to direct the anger at a problem. That's what made the 'blend' so impactful. Professor Hulk is the best of both worlds - he can maintain his calm, he knows how to use his intelligence and his experience, but he can also tap into the usefulness of his anger at will, and he can control it. It was a moment of this male character, the personification of rage control issues, accepted that his anger was a part of him, and it was better to know how to use it than to succumb to it. And then you get his cousin, both literally and figuratively as green as they come when it comes to rage-induced superpowers, and she dismisses his struggle and his experience, despite having every reason to relate to it. It felt like the MCU just completely negated the years of character growth they built for Banner just so they could have 'don't mansplain to me' moment. Just because you know your own situation better than someone else doesn't mean that you're more suited to deal with that situation than they are, especially if they're literally the only expert in the world. I'm sure as a lawyer, she would agree to that point.
She hulk in the comics was always good at being a Hulk from the start. The whole point of her character is that she is the opposite of Bruce. She had no friends and very little when she was her normal human self, but every time she transformed she became this beautiful strong woman with confidence. So she rarely takes her human form. Idk why they didn't just stick with that version of her. It would make for a more compelling character.
TV is wicked awesome and super cool and so social and uber hot... why does She-Hulk even manifest?!? She-Hulk is green BECAUSE she's jealous of Jen?!!!
here is the thing. the CGI to make her look she-hulk is too expensive to do it for every single frame she is in. the solution is to have as much jen as we can. by the way, I know the comic she-hulk was "always good" at being a hulk. but the character had flaws and that was why she stayed as she-hulk as much as possible. but what we have here is a plain character that was already the best she can be at everything she does. she mocks her cousin and all the other avengers (I know we will never know but it would be poetic if she had been one of those that were killed by the snap) at no point we see she-hulk being more confident than Jen. she-hulk is a taller jen with super strengh and green skin. that's all. sorry. here eye and hair color also change. we can't forget that.
Because that would've meant they respected the character and faithfully adapted She Hulk like the Marvel cartoons did. Instead they made Jen this bitter woman who rants every 5 seconds about how awful her life is because of men. I was really excited for this show because I've always wanted a movie or tv series centered on She Hulk, she's such a fun character and it's very frustrating that they can't write a positive strong female character. Jen is so unlikable, is never wrong about anything and the show constantly antagonizing men is only alienating people.
Because their budget is very small
I loved she-hulk for that. It was such a badass mindset imo
Honestly I feel bad for Bruce more than anything. He immediately stepped up once he realized his mistake, explained the pros and cons of being a hulk, and did nothing but help Jennifer and teach her how to control her emotions. But no, Jennifer has to be impatient and give Bruce a hard time. I understand that yeah she was isolated but like dont treat the person trying to help you like fodder the entire time. Not only that but she thinks she can leave with only DAYS of experience. Not a month, not 6 months, DAYS. Bruce has done nothing to her and she keeps being a jerk to him for what???
He did make her a hulk. So she might be angry at him. I know I would be, probably even more than she was.
@@Treatyse He didn't make her a hulk. He was knocked unconscious from the crash. So it's not his fault, at all. He didn't purposefully do it, it was accident.
@@joemarx7495 if it wasn't for him, she wouldn't be a hulk - even if it wasn't intentional. It was certainly not her fault at all. She was pulling him out of the car. That is why I think he was so understanding with her. He blames himself. A crash caused by a ship looking for him. She was very lenient on him - because I would have disowned him for quite some time.
@@Treatyse I guess you are the target audience for this show
@@karthiksudhirkaimalk7825 people are watching the show and then complaining - waiting a whole week and watching it again to thrn complain. Move on - so much choice.
Controversial opinion: I actually like this scene, up to and including the "INFINITELY MORE THAN YOU!", because it's an amazing step to show how much penned up anger Jen still has and how it is important for Bruce to show her the ropes. What I hate is the complete 180 they pulled immediately after. The "Oh no I was just proving a point, I can switch in and out of Hulk however I please, OK bye!" This could have been a humbling moment, because Jen is so clearly not in the right that anyone with half a brain would call her out on it. Yet the show agrees with her. Apparently being cat called is now infinitely worse than being hunted down by the military for your blood.
I interpreted the scene like when someone says “I have everything totally under control” but in the background the house explodes. She’s claiming that she has control of her anger but through the process, she begins transforming which is showing us that she DOESN’T have full control of her anger and that she has more to learn.
But your interpretation requires being capable of reading subtext and being able to humanize a female character. This isn't possible with many people in the Marvel Fanbase. They don't really think of these characters as people. They're action figures. They think the spoken/written word is all there is and they are incapable of seeing the context. This is the group that doesn't understand satire or sarcasm because they are superficial thinkers. If a woman says "Yeah", they'll go "see, she agreed" and the rest of us will say "She didn't sound enthusiastic. She sounded the opposite of enthusiastic". for example, even this youtuber lost a star. why? Because She-Hulk breaks the fourth wall. That's part of the comic "lore". How can one bother to have a take if they can't even do a minimum amount of research into this character. (I had the comic book when I was a kid and yeah, this comic broke the fourth wall. It's not copying. It's being faithful to the "lore" that this same group will use to savagely beat any alternative adaptation of their fanboy obsession.) I think it shows a lack of reality awareness on the part of this group of Marvel fanbrats that they don't see how the media is reflecting the reality. They want a She-Hulk who caters to men and doesn't have her own fucked up worldview. They want a superwoman who will always side with them. They want perfect women rather than flawed human beings who are women and girls. They want their mommy. That's what it comes down to at the end of the day. Every single female comic book character needs to be their mommy. She can't be fucked up. she must always be empathetic and all knowing to comfort the man. Oh. and she can't be hard. She can't be ambitious. She can't be pig headed. She can't be extraordinary. She must be small enough so that the smallest fanboy can feel big. (look, I rolled my eyes when Tony Stark had a serious chest injury AND could still create a robot suit AND a new form of energy/battery thing. That's the silliest thing possible but you take the movie as a story, you suspend disbelief and you go along with it. we all know the marvel fanboys went along with this silly scenario or any of the other ones. They just have a problem when the implausibility involves women because none of these female characters can play their mommy.) please note, they'll always say "We like strong women". But I've observed that the women they list SERVE men. The only one that's a bit different is Ellen Ripley and that was written for a male character. No wonder it's not like a Sarah Connor who fights to protect /serve her son. I don't think the marvel fanbrats want real women. they want cardboard cutouts. They'll always expect extraordinary super mommies because heaven offend if we get a messy real human women being portrayed. It's no different from white conservatives who tell black people that "they just need to comply". It's utterly arrogant and dumb.
@@jenniferhunter4074 When I saw how long your response was, I thought you were going to chew me out 😖 I’m so happy with your response!!! Especially the part about “see she said ‘yeah’ therefore she agreed” It really does seem that people are interpreting her words at face value without looking at her actions and realizing that she is in fact a flawed character who is not 100% aware of her short comings or is trying to convince herself that she doesn’t have them. It’s like the most realistic thing I’ve ever seen!
@@ShikamaruAzumi I swear we need to do research into this groups "saint mommy" issues. These visual medias are wasted on them because they can't process the entire scene like normal healthy well-adjusted individuals can. Maybe this is why they have tantrums about "The sacred LORE" as if an adaptation has to be a literal rendition to their internal movie or it's wrong.
@@jenniferhunter4074 you ve put into words exactly what i was thinking thank you
@@jenniferhunter4074 cringe
I think you make a good point: it’s not the fact that she mentions the reasons why she controls her anger, it’s more how it was executed as some kind of belittling competition for who has it worse. We all suffer in different ways and to different levels, but suffering shouldn’t be a competition, otherwise we’re just a bunch of apathetic asshats. Appreciate your video. It’s nice to hear a nuanced and calmer take compared to the hate bandwagoning or blind praise that’s been happening
It's not hate bandwagoning... Men and even many women are tired of these shitty entitled feminists who think they're the most oppressed, most exploited, and most subservient group... Whereas they are just dictators who keep shouting at you when you just want to quietly go about your day and solve your own problems.
Yes the problem also is that we all knew they were going to push some bullshit that was either sexist against men, or racist against white people, or make some comment about the LGBTQ community being absolute Queens. They do it every movie there has to be some mention of either White Supremacy (Winter soldier/Falcon) or the Patriarchy (Captain Marvel) or the LGBTQ Agenda has to be worshipped as super heroic (Disney hasn't really done anything too bad in this department yet but they do make sure every movie has an LGBTQ scene or character. Kamala Kahn, America Chavez, the moms from Buzz Light Year, etc and thats all just in the last year lol, and again im not saying its bad or wrong im just saying they are definitely making sure -every- movie has LGBTQ representation despite the fact that being Queer is actually really rare in real life but if you look at our movies you'd think half of america was gay. And, you'd kinda be right with the way the entire Democratic party flies rainbow flags) Man that was a mouthfull. To summarize. This isn't about the scene its about the message. The message being they always need to shove something anti-male, anti-white, or flash LGBTQ propaganda in front of children. Having a woman fight the patriarchy, not necessarily bad. HAving a black person deal with racism, not necessarily bad. Its when your entire business model is based on pushing those far left issues to ascertain some sort of cultural control that it becomes a nefarious problem. Its when characters and movies and stories are told purely to push these ideological agendas. Because trust me there isnt anyone that thought Ms Marvel, Captain Marvel, America Chavez, or She Hulk ever needed to get their own movie or tv shows. no one ever thought that. those aren't popular characters. So this isnt about making money. If it was they'd be making another deadpool movie, or another x-men movie, or another avengers movie. but no. its these movies that every single one of them is pushing some woke agenda and they leak it in one line, one scene, one chapter, one story arc at a time so that people grow up thinking well, if i see it in every single movie, it must be real right? It must be how it is right? they aren't making these movies and tv shows because of money. They are doing it because theres a culture war happening right now and they are trying to play their part in wiping one side of the culture war out by choosing the other side and making these shitty comments aimed at the other side every time, and every time, its the people they attack that were their biggest supporters. Notice the Woke never actually back or support any of the companies that side with them. Nope. The Woke never support anything at all, they only ever seek to destroy that which has not complied with their demands. Every, single, time.
@@Kugrox What do you mean with Kamala Khan.
The irony of someone saying "I control my anger" and immediately following it up with yelling and measuring how much more they have to deal with than someone else is palpable. This isn't just an angry person. This is a narcissist.
The comedy is just how bad the show is.
Yea it’s for this reason why I think this scene just got too heavily looked into. The dialogue chosen by the writers and also the fact that she turns green is simply for her contradicting herself when she says she can control herself. It shows that she gets mad and she is arrogant. Her problem isn’t controlling the hulk powers. She can do that. Her problem is controlling her own anger like someone with regular anger management issues.
@@JumboH Yes, I think we shouldn't assume that the writers are 100% on her side. Especially since they (and the audience) are completely on Bruce's side when it comes to her becoming a superhero (without which this wouldn't be a show).
I think that's the whole point of the scene. Nasu explains it that is a flaw to develop the character. Because a woman with that much anger that can from day to day kill someone with a slap needs to control it. The show is still shit tho
I think it's trying to show that she failed at controlling her anger but try to fake it. Remember how hedes get angry and screaming but suddenly stop and say "I'm fine, I'm cool now", the same trick.
I can never respect people who just bring up their trauma or abuse randomly and try to make it a competition. All that says to me is how quickly you got over it and how little you want all the attention on you. When I talk to people like that, I either get close to saying just stfu, or actually say it, because as someone who has had things happen to them, and is a very big extrovert and often seen as friendly, it pisses me off because I know they aren’t doing it most of the time for anything other than attention. Takes focus away from people who actually need help
Or *some* peopole just might struggle differently & don't mean it as a competition or offense. Same as you might get upset about their words, they might be upset about not being heard & thus act like that. "That scene struck me as heavy in character bias and exhaustion. All she wants in this entire episode is to go home. She didn't ask to get these powers. They weren't even really forced on her in the conventional sense. It's not like some big evil forced them on her. It was just bad luck. And despite proving over and over again that she's able to control these powers, and how she just wants to go back to her life as a lawyer, Bruce won't let her. She proves over and over again that the two are having very different experiences with the same power, but over and over again Bruce treats it like they're the exact same. She's tired, frustrated, wants to go home, so she says something that woefully exaggerates her point in an attempt to hurt Bruce. Sure, he's trying to help her. But over and over again in the episode we see that she doesn't want his help. She just wants to go home, return to her life, and never bring this event up again. And idk, I feel a lot of people can relate to exaggerating something in an attempt to drive their point home, even if doing so hurts the other person, escalates a fight, and isn't wholly accurate." -Divinkitty
It would have also been nice if she mentioned her job as a lawyer in the rant about controlling anger like how she has to keep calm when in the room with a monster laughing at the atrocities they committed or something
This is just so good of an idea.
The "you can't be pro black without being anti-white, you can't be an ally without having a bone to pick with every cis-het white male" line is so powerful. Everything human is so grey. you can take pride in your people (black, white, asian, or other) without having to be anti any other people. You can have pride in your country or people no matter what while recognize it's shortcomings. And that's a message that's not very popular especially when people experience it all the time (olympics and sports being obvious). to be proud that your country won the world cup is not racist. Just like individuals, peoples and countries can excel at different things. You don't expect egypt to ever be as good at hockey because they don't really have a winter like scandinavian countries do. You can be proud of what your country has achieved and it doesn't mean you are a racist/homophobe/anyphobe just for that.
"White pride" isn't allowed
OMG, national pride is racism
Precisely I’m so glad there are people with common sense still here!
@@darrengordon-hill a quote from a history video for a class I had has a good counterpoint. Patriotism is love for one's nation while nationalism is love for ones nation at the expense of hating others. you're thinking of nationalism while OP was talking about patriotism.
Completely agree Completely agree ❤️❤️❤️
I remember there's a scene in Wandavision, when the two visions are fighting each other, and then they engage in the philosophical discussion of the Ship of Theseus. I remember checking on twitter and finding a lot of people really enthralled by that discussion and scene, as well as how much it reveals about who Vision truly is. It's stuff like that that's missing: depth and thought, especially in dialogue. There are so many small scenes in the MCU, barely lasting over 2 mins that reveal so much about characters, their motivations and their thoughts (i.e. Tony and Steve's discussion in Avengers 2 while chopping firewood; Zemo and T'Challa's short discussion about revenge in Civil War; Natasha and Steve's discussion about moving on after the blip in Endgame...the list goes on). She-Hulk is a great example of how much this is completely lacking.
Wanda Vision and Loki ... These 2 truly felt like a MCU show.. Newer shows have gone in a completely different direction..
@@adityat5905 I'd argue Moon Knight belongs on that list as well. There's a good bit of humour in that - As is in Loki and especially Wandavision - but it is still really well written and really deep. Especially the scenes between Marc and Steven toward the end.
@@desreploid3353 Yeah!
You can’t hit a home run at every at bat.
I loved your comment. This show She Hulk is a great concept but died in the hands of a incompetent writers. They want to focus more on “let’s be woke and twerk” and not on the actual story It’s a badly written sitcom at best
Amazing video. It really made my day. The points you brought up are amazing and I feel mit many people talk about this whole situation so objectively. Thank you
Yet another great video from the legend nasu! ( the subtle p5r track playing is such a good choice for background music)
Fun fact: When doing the CGI for She-Hulk (the character), they had to remake her muscles multiple times because they couldn’t figure out how muscular they wanted her to be. Seems kinda weird that she doesn’t have a whole lot of muscle when she’s super strong, doesn’t it? Imo, I wouldn’t mind some muscles. “Muscular Mommy?” - that one kid
well i think they were looking at the comics. the comics is nothing like actual realistic CGI. it is a comic that has a hot women with more muscle then most women, when you take that and put it into CGI is makes no sense. in this show, she just looks like a regular women with muscle and taller. i wanted a buff, tall, and strong she hulk. people saw hulk and saw him as ugly! i want the same for she hulk, just cause she is a women doesn't stop the puke green color from being just ugly xD they just worried too much about hurting peoples feelings and still ended up pissing ppl off xD
Muscle mommy
Fun fact: i only watch porn starring lady with abs
One thing we do know-- they kept canon with the fact she weighs around 650 pounds. Because she broke the twin bed just by changing form and twin beds hold 250-500 pounds without breaking.
Omg pick a side, there where a fucking dilema where someone asked more muscle on her Mike certain comic Some "fans" called it woke propaganda AND cringe, unnecesary AND innacurate Pd: Im also a fan of big buff ladies 😔
This is such a great take. I’m a woman and I had a problem with all the blatant man hating. There are saints and jerks in both sexes and both sexes have their own baggage to deal with. The point of equality is understanding that, and taking each person on their own merit. This show had so much potential to explore the potential problems of having super powered individuals in a society made up of people, some of whom will inevitably use their powers for evil. There were so many other things that could have been explored that allowed the characters to unite and support each other. Instead we got a decisive disaster that doesn’t even seem to be clear on its tone.
Same, I'm just tired of all these nonsense, it doesn't fix it, it just make things worse
"Women" Hmm..Hahahhaha....!!!!
it also pisses me off when the gender politics shield is applied to shitty written female characters. any genuine criticism gets discarded as sexist. just weaponising feminism to protect lazy effort for a quick buck. i personally think everyones entitled to well written compelling and naturally flawed/ relatable characters
@@sillyninja65 Exactly! Well written characters are compelling regardless of sex, not because of it.
Did you get picked?
Bruh. I was watching a lot of She-Hulk reviews and this is by far my favourite. You've earned a like and a sub. Also the editing is top notch. How do you do it?
The fact that you didn't mindlessly shit on the MCU but actually had great points is a breath of fresh air! Common Nasu W! Great video!
my take away from all of this is that bruce has come such a long way at controlling his anger that jen's little outburst didn't affect him at all. i'm very proud of him 💚
That's a really nice way to think about it .
Bruce never would have been offended regardless because it's just a dumb argument between two family members and not a debate club.
the green heart is a nice touch to your take
If he got upset about someone explaining his own area of expertise to him, then that wouldn't be setting a good example, lol
Honestly… I like to think of it like Hulk’s The 0utsyder and Jen is like DSP. Her bitching around is just her whiny scheme and we don’t care…
"I get catcalled everyday and if I react they'll think I'm emotional" "people treated me like a world ending monster, rightfully so, and I tried to shoot myself only for the big guy to stop the bullet from me" It's insane how people still think she-hulk is a good show in any merit when you know this context
The fact that it's the same hulk who says 'bruh' is just... out of character
@@SolracNexus and dab 😭😭💀
@@SolracNexus Almost as if people can be introspective and emotional but also be humorous and sarcastic 🤔 Hey, have you ever met a human being before?
But that’s the point the writers are making. Jen was literally getting greener as she got more angry, the writers aren’t exactly subtle about her being in the wrong.
@@buttermoth5861 you have too much faith in them. They are painting Jen the hero bc they believe she is the hero and can do no wrong. They put that scene in there not to show how Jen is flawed but for women empowerment just look up how the writers or cast talks about it.
Subscribed bc of this part right here 1:28 Nah but really, I came from your Wakanda video and started looking through your channel. And i gotta say you really are a breath of fresh air in a sea of “critical youtube channels” that primarily criticize movies on their “woke agenda” cuz they know thats what mindless audience members want to shit on. So thank you for actually bringing some thoughtful content to the movie side of youtube!
Just because you refuse to acknowledge reality staring you down doesn't make it go away. They are right, and you are wrong. Choke on it
@@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943 you’re just another example of those youtube channels that criticize without adding any real discussion or substance. Saying the same talking points over and over without discussing the real harmful effects of adding wokeness to movies. It’s an echo chamber with no real substance, and you’re the sheep following along doing their bidding. Suck on that
@@CeCe1066 Ahahaha, you can't accept the fact that they are right and you are wrong. Those people already HAVE talked about the harmful effects, you just pretend they don't because you don't really care.
Excellent analysis. The most important thing you did is express you opinion without insults, hyperbole, or anger. You provide clear, rational, well thought out arguments. The world would be a better place if we all could have discussions like this.
I would've loved it if she later realized what she said and apologized. It would've been a really human moment and would've pointed out that she often gets mad and lashes out on people. Also this isn't really relevant to the video but that first episode annoyed me so much. Both Bruce and Jen were so immature. I still enjoy the show though. I think the plot is semi interesting and I think some parts are kinda funny.
Nah this show sucks and so do feminists 🤦🏾♂️
A woman? Apologize? In media?? To a man??? Inconceivable.
I kept thinking that after the brawl that destroyed his bar, They were going to have a heart-felt conversation involving apologies, saying stuff in anger, maybe still having some issues that need work, and Bruce admitting he had kinda lost sight of what he once thought about there being different ways of being a hero. And then after the extremely heartfelt give-and-take approach of this conversation, Jennifer Then apologizes for breaking his bar. We then get a sight gag where the last standing part collapses. Jen, in embarrassment “I’ll help fix it.” Bruce, smiling through his annoyance: “Yes you will.”
@@kingcal52 lmao right. Literally never seen that in media that came without sass or a mutual apology
Can you explain how Bruce was immature?
The complete opposite of this scene, which I just love so much, is in Demon Slayer the first season. The main character has lost almost his entire family and has seen some _insanely_ graphic stuff in just a short time. At the end of an episode (forgot which one) a young man who he has just helped is mourning the fresh loss of his fiance. He rejects the main character's attempts to comfort him, venting about how bad he has it and that the MC would NEVER understand his pain and how bad things are. Meanwhile, the MC just smiles and kindly walks away. But then the young man realized just how beaten and tough he was for a boy his age, realizing this MUST mean he suffered hardships. The young man quickly realizes his error and apologizes. I just love moments like these, mostly because you hardly EVER see it. Someone who knows the other is wrong, but still has compassion to not argue with them and instead empathize with their tough position. That is kind of position the Hulk in this situation if you think about it. Except his cousin never sees the errors of her statement like the young man in Demon Slayer.
well said
o.o
@@starrysnee The animation is dope, but there's a few holes in the plot. It's an 8.5 for me. Maybe even a 9.
Naruto is filled with "you'll never know my pain" speeches directed at Naruto, when he 100% understands nearly on a 1-1 basis.
@@meganfraser810 😅 awh, those are always so funny in a sad kind of way.
You for real speaking truth in a loving way and I'm all about that. That rewriting of the script at 8 minutes really gave me goosebumps.
Dude. This was a great analysis, and so great nearer to the end where you went into the whole "men have their own challenges". Yes, absolutely. Any sensitivity is viewed a certain way by men and women alike... any expression of feelings, etc. We're taught at a young age to suck it up and not talk about it. When you review Hulk's arc, you have to think that he got picked on in his life for being smart and not being the alpha. You see how he was isolated, how he faced significant adversity, how he lost loved ones, etc. There's no need to play who suffered worse, and there definitely isn't cause to do it by gender or race. I assume we've all been through some stuff to varying degrees and some stuff rolls off my back that wouldn't roll off of yours, and other things hurt me more than they would you, etc. Women, men, it doesn't matter... as individuals, we all deal with life and go through our own struggles. No one should assume what struggles someone else has gone through. Marvel is just going over the top with this stuff, and it does a disservice to the way women should be portrayed in the Marvel Universe. I'm all for "girl power", but does it need to include "men are trash"? Female characters in Marvel and in Sci-Fi deserve much better than what She-Hulk is bringing. I couldn't show this to my daughters at all... because they shouldn't see such one dimensional depictions of women and men. Thanks for your video... you really put it together very well.
“Just because someone suffers differently, doesn’t mean they suffer any less.” Say it again for the people in the back. This is something everybody needs to start realizing or these problems are just gonna get worse.
There are definitely degrees in suffering. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to know your dog dying isn't the same as one of your grandparents having a stroke.
@@DaultonYoung But that’s the thing, you don’t get to decide that. Everyone deals with their own shit in their own way, everyone grieves, everyone hurts. We all bleed, man, and not everything effects everybody in the same way.
@@ImNotKaleb I don't get to decide that? Respectfully, fuck that idea. The moment someone relates their cat dying to my grandmother having a stroke, they're getting a fist upside the head. The idea that "all suffering is equal" is such a kick in the teeth when you have people dying, or family members being permanently disabled, and little Timmy is comparing it to their cat dying at a ripe age of 16. Kill that idea off immediately.
@@ImNotKaleb If you think that her being catcalled and all that shit... Is in any way comparable to what Bruce has dealt with throughout his entire life, then there is something wrong with you. This man has lost two people he loved.. tried to kill himself... got chased all over the place by the army because of what he is, had to seclude himself from society for over a decade among other things... and she is only catcalled and all that thats not comparable
@@TimeMasterOG I don’t know if you didn’t watch the video, or if you did and just don’t care, but that quote was directly referring to *men’s* suffering and how it is too often downplayed and disregarded in society. You are arguing against someone who does not exist. Go back to around 10:16 and watch the full clip in context so you can fully grasp what I was actually saying instead of what you assumed. Do better.
There is nothing wrong with characters contradicting themselves but it does become a problem when you portray that behavior as right and that character perfect. Idk so far Jenifer doesn't seem like a person she has flaws but is considered an angel by the writers. lowkey she reminds me of the main character Emily in Paris 💀
Actually the characters were terrible because they made She-Hulk more inappropriate than I should have and then they marketed the film that way
THIS is right on. At first glance you say- "well, this is her being self-centered and misandrist so she has room to grow... But the show so far has not done that. It hasn't been treating her attitude as a character flaw- it's empowering her with it. That's why it's so repugnant.
@@gracefulPainter I thought her self-centeredness actually was an intentional part of the character as one of her flaws. I thought it was a port from her comic counterpart, like how a hulk without mental issues has alot more control in hulk form. It'll be disappointing if they don't deal with that part of her personality in her character arc
they have to deal with it or this show isn’t just mediocre, it’s bad
The character has always been that way bro-💀
I hope this channel thrives. That American Psycho bit killed me, and the points here are valid and balanced
I just lovvvvvvvved this. I love your way of thinking and also the way you deliver it. More power to you bro.
The fact that she says " I'm an expert at controlling my anger because I do it infinitely more than you" after she hulked out and nearly murdered 3 guys at a bar for saying "whats up" shows you she has absolutely no self awareness whatsoever, and 3 episodes in it hasn't gotten any better. She literally physically threatened a stage magician with a demon to get him to agree to a cease and desist order. Pretty sure that would get most lawyers disbarred. In the end what makes this show and the writing of this character so bad is that it is so full of contradictions, and the writers seem to go out of their way to illustrate those contradictions every chance they get while completely oblivious to the contradictions they are writing.
Did you read any of the comics
@@batmanchoas I may have read one or two of the comics decades ago, but maybe you didn't notice I'm not basing my comment about the show on the comics, I'm basing my comment about the show on the show itself. I know it can be very difficult for some people to understand such nuances, so good luck with that. Did you have a point you were trying to make or do you simply go around asking random stupid questions that have nothing whatsoever to do with the topic at hand?
if you analyze the Scene carefully she was still out of it but she trying to keep herself calm and steady as she analyze her surroundings and Whats going one with her. At thats point if a person irl was Going through that they would still be a bit emotional. So Her being cat called in the street and releasing her Anger Was Normal because again she Was still out of it and is trying to calm herself Down.
@@batmanchoas the show barely is respecting her actual characterization save the 4th wall breaks.
@@MGPLeo Yeah for the most part she did control her anger pretty well I mean even Bruce was suprised. I think being catcalled or whatever is a valid reason to “hulk out” and unlike Bruce she can change her form willingly.
I think people would've been so much more forgiving of that part if either it wasn't Bruce a man who had to keep not just the physical embodiment of his anger wrought by years of abuse and trauma in check but most emotions that would cause him to feel even the slightest bit of excitement or if we had actually seen her go through all the things she said she goes through. Show don't tell as you've said before. Great vid. From a fellow Nigerian. Also I love how you pointed out the first scene. It seems like no one talks about that. She was literally about to give the whole great power great responsibility speech to people but she wasn't willing to follow it herself
It might’ve been better if it was a moment of character growth too, if she felt bad about it and regretted it, if he looked disappointed, if she apologized A lot of people can relate to feeling so overwhelmed by your own problems that you get tunnel vision and forget what everyone else is going through
Bruce literally has the only cannon suicide attempt
Their is no saving that scene.
Like a flashback to all the things she says happen?
No matter what she said the woke group would have reacted the same way and the show would still get hate because it's the popular thing to do online
For the nerdy set, 6:35 is checkmate in pulp print form, yet Nasu says "but that feels like really reaching to prove a point." I hardly believed my ears -- who even understands restraint, anymore? This is a person who clearly appreciates nuance and direction. Thank you for that, Nasu.
Great viewpoints and arguments, it’s a pleasure to explore the show and the society thanks to you!
Since the series isn’t over yet, I have a feeling things will blow up in her face and we will have a “told you so” moment with Bruce. Maybe that will make this scene feel less hacky
Definitely not happening bc of the writers
No. The head writer knows jack crap about the character and is a feminist. This show isn't canon imo
Hulk already left with a space ship and the director was asked to cut down on budget, so no, I don't think so.
@@zombiekilla25979 true
Probably not but I HOPE
10:33 For those who wondered why Terry Crews didn't use violence to protect himself... consider Will Smith's slap at the Oscars. Violence most times has consequences that can go beyond the act like dismissal from a job, an assault charge and so on. It is one of the reasons why those trained in martial arts or combat are WARNED to flee from a situation that is escalating and only use their training as a last resort.
4:00: The Funny Thing about this Speech is that this happens to People, JUST NOT HER. Lol, amazing Example of Show-dont-Tell, but whatever. Point is though, we have to consider a little Meta-Perspective here: Se-ism IS still a giant Problem in this world. Using the Word Wokeness is just muddied the water, in my opinion, making the whole Conversation weird. Just like the GOP does to R-cism, to the Detriment of us all, as 'Some More News' just explained in a hilarious-but-serious Video.
Can confirm that point about martial artists. My former instructor used to joke and say "I won my last fight by 50 meters," but the point was still there: if you can avoid using it, don't use it.
@@begoodjohnny1866 If you can avoid defending yourself don’t? Even though I have every right to? Y’all sound ridiculous
I really don't know how Jenifer went "i have suffered way more than you" meanwhile hulk has literally tried to take his own life, been enslaved and forced to fight one of his friends, beaten up by one of his friends, attempted to close himself off from everyone, and had to deal with being a demon when he got slightly annoyed
Someone give this man an award for that voice-over!
8:06 this made the scene SO much better, gets the point without making the character you want people to like seem like an asshole. Hell, if they wanted, they could go with what she said in the comics. Bruce considers it as him cursing her, but she tells him how she sees it as a blessing, saying she no longer has to fear the things she once had to. "I'm a victim no longer"
It was still hyperbolic and histrionic feminist bs to me, but definitely much better than the absolute shite that was in the actual film
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Wow im really impressed with how intellectually you dissected all this. You made a lot of really good points on how certain subjects are so polarizing. Good job
Thank you so very much for this video. I can't even count the amount of people who just recorded their She Hulk videos about "woke people ruining movies / series!". Instead of just doing that you got right to the point that the problem is not WHAT is told but HOW it is told. She-Hulk is literally the embodiment of everything people hated about Mulan. She is exactly the same as main protagonists of every generic isekai power fantasy. She is just naturally gifted or talented and nothing she does is ultimately wrong. The character has no room for growth, which makes her boring and therefore the story becomes lackluster after a while. The controversy about the show is just people who love to turn bad writing into a culture war thingy because they saw something that reminds them of the people they don't like. A movie about a natural disaster is good? No one is going to talk about its political message. A movie about a natural disaster is bad? Woke climate change activists ruining movies! This is happening way too often. People should consider the stories told and the way they are told more often. And they should stop projecting something onto the creators and just criticize the media for what it is and what it did good or bad. Everything can be made to be about politics but it doesn't have to be. We choose to do so - sadly.
I’m glad you didn’t just give some “she hulk bad” response and actually dived deeper. It shouldn’t ruin the show entirely as I still enjoyed the scenes with Bruce and felt the upcoming law scenes could have promise.
The only way I’m watching the show is if the law scenes turn into bcs law scenes
@Weyland Punani it's not pretending dude, it's called being optimistic. The show is STILL airing btw, since you didn't seem to know. It's certainly the worst MCU show of all time, but let's wait and see what Fiege does with the character and the fate of this show.
@@asclepius.dionysus bro it's been half of a season and the only thing we got are bad jokes and she hulk twerking. Even looking into the context of her rant is so dumb. Because what she said about cat called is one thing but her saying that she control her anger infinitely more than Bruce and then proceeds to bring up his trauma and him being alone is even more stupid. Is this supposed to be a superhero or a narcissist? Seahawk is also one of the lowest scoring TV shows of marvel and just have people meaming on how bad it is.
Yeah that’s just not how it works. If the writers are THIS bad at any point in the show, they’re obviously not capable of redeeming themselves. It’s literally impossible. They don’t have the tools necessary.
This is the problem with Disney, quantity not quality, in other words this video illustrates what is missing in the series. that’s why is a flop, the character is not written well, is all for kids, but in the same time is a bad representation about women and Men.
Your comment about men being vulnerable hits way too close to home. Men don't cry, men don't feel pain, men *don't struggle* . I had a pretty shitty life, to the point I tried to end it on multiple occasions. I had no one to talk to and no one to help me. (before you jump to conclusions, yes, I've tried to get professional help- led me nowhere). When I was "lucky enough" to finally find a soulmate, very nice girl, it was hard and scary but I tried to open up to her about my trauma and my problems. I was vulnerable, I hate being vulnerable but I've thought she was the right person I could be honest with. My thought process was "all people have their own hands full but MAYBE if someone loves me they can hear me out?" When we broke up, she said I was "whiny". You see the problem here? Do you think that after shit like this I will EVER open up to anyone? Lmao. So yeah, no wonder men just off themselves at daily basis. We're belittled, we're mocked. You don't earn enough money? You're trash. You don't have 6 pack? You're trash. You are short? Take a guess. Girls literally look for partners who has a certain height- thing that we have no control over! (I am 6'1 but my point still holds for men who are short- this is NOT the right criteria to choose someone over) The pressure on anyone with a penis is immerusable. Yesterday I've read that "pathetic men is funny". Try to reverse this situation. Are "pathetic girls" funny? What's "funny" about anyone being "pathetic" or "weak"? I am not saying men have it worse than women, you're absoltely right, each sex has its own downsides, but we don't have it easier, that's I can say for certain. Comparing "who has it harder" is the definition of "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".
Preach homie. You can also open up to a fellow king, though, they're out there. Men need men.
I’m glad your doing better man, keep on keeping on.
@@joshdavis5991 did you even read his comment bro?
@@joshdavis5991 never said I am doing any better, thanks anyway x)
@@Ten_Thousand_Locusts maybe you are right bro, but I more of "taking care of my own shit" guy nowadays. Don't want to feel like a burden, life is hard for everyone as it is.
Outstanding video great job man! Really appreciate your work and effort ❤️❤️❤️
Hey man! I am really enjoying binge-watching your channel when I have an exam tomorrow!
Study my guy
Having not seen the show, that scene everyone points out seems like a compelling character moment IF she grows from it and comes to regard it as a mistake. Characters being self-centered and cruel can be great writing when used to good effect. With that said, I don’t know if the writers did a good job in the follow-up and I never will because the show looks bad and I don’t want to watch it.
Exactly. This would be a good foundation to learn and grow from her toxic mindset. However, we can all tell that wasn't the intention. The writers can't tell that she hulk is selfish and mean (and that it's a bad thing). Imagine if Pepper praised Tony for being mean instead of calling him out on it
@@destinyhntr I mean, the writer basically said that the bathroom scene was the most important scene and that was shit so I don't have much faith in it getting better (same goes for many other previous and future MCU projects)
You have a point. Characters like Iron man and Thor, went through character arcs that helped them become better people( well thors Character arc is usually a round circle nowadays). A character doesn't have to be perfect, but the characters main narrative has to be self aware of this. And that is where my problem is with most morden female characters. It's either the writers are to afraid or to ignorant to make this characters go through character arcs that makes them say " Hey, I ain't shit, and I should try and be a better person". The female characters come off as self entitled, when their character narrative isn't self aware. Basically this characters narrative is that the problem isn't and wasn't ever them , it's the world. Which isn't an interesting take on a characters growth. Like imagine if we went through the whole 3 Iron man movies and 4 Avengers movies, with Tony still being an narcissistic alcholic playboy?
On a normal scenario, that would be the ideal outcome. On the actual scenario, such flaws aren't leading anywhere as to be acknowledged as a character flaw by the writers. Rather, all of this read to me as just some kind of self-insert power fantasy done this time on a feminist lens, an amateur writing trap I've always despised, no matter what.
I can see that but so far it seems that the show has both already forgotten about that and is going to be a mid comedy with some alright fight scenes and cameos to keep people interested while having her "arc" be that she has to be a hero and can't ignore it. also the show in that episode seems to both agree with Jen and justifies her answer by the end with the bar scene and goodbye. I would be happy and suprised if they did do something like that, I just don't think it will happen
Oh thank god, an actual review. Seriously, so relieved to see someone not complaining about "woke" and actually giving real criticism. Very good, yes!
The woke problem is when you have female characters or black characters then only women or blacks can identify with it. No where is Hulk in the MCU only relatable to men or whites only. All the woke female films now do noting but men bash. Well, maybe time we men women bash. I have seen guys done far more wrong by women than women have by a simple whistle as she passes by because she is dressed inappropriately. And when you where a dress that barley covers your butt and a shirt that is three times to small, you are doing it to tease or get attention. I have had women go out with me on a date for a free meal and movie only to then go screw some guy who is not worth anything just because he looks like Mr America. So the sex bashing can go both ways. Woke means to be self centered. like it is okay to have a black only series, but not a white only series.
But he did though... did you watch the video? 6:50 (for about 2 minutes) is one of them. The definition of woke is standing up to social injustice, but the fact is, right now, the only social justice going on is for very specific race/gender... hence woke is the habit of bringing up issues, that are not really issues, but problem that each people face, but only bringing up those that involves the minority because "My struggle great, your struggle puny". And that's also why people throw around that word a lot, because it doesn't have a benefit to most men, it in fact has become a form of abuse to most men (among other entities), hence, the divide. It's good to give a good non-political criticism, but its nearly impossible these days not to complain about the abuse. I only ask for one thing, let me watch tv shows in peace. I didn't escape a frustrating day in reality to jump straight into the damn flames. I don't compare, I simply ask for there not to be room for that sort of talk in entertainment. Let entertainment, be entertainment. One doesn't entertain oneself with politics, that's simply not how entertainment work. So by calling out the fact Green lady is putting her struggles on the pedestal with Green man's struggles lower than that pedestal, he's quite literally complaining about woke-ism. 0_0 Just saying.
4:00: The Funny Thing about this Speech is that this happens to People, JUST NOT HER. Lol, amazing Example of Show-dont-Tell, but whatever. Point is though, we have to consider a little Meta-Perspective here: Se-ism IS still a giant Problem in this world.
yeah but the woke problem is relevant. disney went out of their way to make it woke as a shield for shit writing. this review assumes everyone already knows this. having a diverse cast is fine and not a "woke problem". weaponsing it and making it the only point of the show however is
People talking about how the reviewer did complain about "woke", they just never called it that; you do realize that people use "woke" in different ways right? I've seen it used by idiots on the internet to describe anything depicting LGBTQ+ stuff, regardless of whether it was well written or not. To use She-Hulk as an example, I've seen plenty of people describe the fact that She-Hulk play fought against Hulk and wasn't instantly destroyed as "woke". Completely ignoring that neither Bruce nor Jen have any reason to go all out in a friendly spar.
This is the video that made me subscribe! (And the video on diversity / spiderverse vs ms marvel comparison, that was great too!!!)
11: 24 How you explain how opposing sides choose to have no middle ground on sensitive subjects. Literally sums up a lot of unsolved problems on entire Internet and in life - People choosing to be sadistically tone death to to another person's life (experiences) and labeling them as less than - This video is the only open-minded and honest review I've seen so far, Love it.
Growing up my entertainment was full of admirable female heroes, just as strong, smart, honourable and righteous as their male counterparts. When I look at modern female heroes, the ones more in line with present day feminism I’d be excused for thinking a misogynist wrote them. Rather than ‘with great power comes great responsibility’ female heroes are written as ‘might makes right’, they’re written as if restraint was a trick of the patriarchy and that if they can they should… in short they end up being written as if they were villains. The best example is Captain Marvel who, for the crime of having been told to smile, injures a guy infinitely weaker than her and essentially mugs him. The MCU is writing women to a toxic feminist revenge fantasy and in doing so consistently making women and feminists look like awful people who could never be trusted with power- because they WILL hurt people and feel good about it.
“How 'bout a handshake?” [tries to retrieve his hand from Danvers, but drops on his knees out of the electric shock from Danvers' photon charge] “Arrgh!” “ I've got a proposition for you. You're gonna give me the keys to your motorbike and your jacket, and I'm gonna let you keep your hand.” [brings out the bike keys and hands over his jacket while still struggling in pain] “What, no smile?” …I take it all back, Captain Marvels totally a hero and not a villain in this scene 😂
Pretty much sums up how I felt about modern female characters in movies. I grew up seeing a couple of badass Femme Fatales from random action movies in the 2000's to early 2010's, all of I can think of is "wow that lady can kickass" now when I see one the first thing that comes to mind is "let me guess, another cliche and pretentious political message"
Feminists ARE awful by definition. They're excellent people, but only because they are in fact people. They're awful birds. Feminist = female supremacist
@@whyareyouevenreadingmyname950 While waving their hands in green screen while stuntmen through themselves around
"They're written as if restraint was a trick of the patriarchy" what a great line. That's what was going through my head the entire time I watching Captain marvel. The advice Jude Law's character was giving her about controlling your emotions was good and true advice especially when you have super powers and it's also the same advice Hulk gave SheHulk but both times it was deemed "bad" in one way or another. I know men calling women emotional is a stereotype but we as men (I'm assuming your gender) grow up learning to suppress our emotions, not just because "tHaT's WhAt rEaL mEn dO", but because we have violence juice flowing in our bodies and we're afraid of the damage an adult male, hell even a teenager, can do if we lose control.
"but im not a script writer" 8:35 damn bro you should be! lmao
Thank you so much. That scene offended me so much that I seriously considered making my own video about it. Yours is the best explained and well rounded one I've seen. Honestly renews my hope in humanity a little bit.
OK, I watched a couple videos of yours but this one put it over. Mad props
10:38 "Just because someone suffers differently, doesn't mean that they suffer any less" such a simple yet truly wise sentence.
This scene is what happens when it's written by a feminist whose only concern is to stick it to the man for well being a man. It's quite obvious that growth is not the goal here regarding she hulk. The show is not bent on delivering a story but delivering a message the writer likes. That happens when everything is politicised.
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I think it happens when companies just want views. Controversy brings in views
@@ZaESims123 You would have a point if Disney hadn’t been pushing this for years.
@@ZaESims123 No, way easier ways to get views. You're reaching to try and cover for them.
I don't call people like the writer of she hulk a feminist, I call them what they really are..... a Misandrist!
Damn dude, this was a really awesome assessment of a very serious problem in our culture these days. Everything must be a zero sun game where somebody loses at the expense of another. Awesome vid. Keep up the great work.
5:13 OMG I knew what was coming! Never play oppression Olympics with a Jew! (Dave Chappelle said that) Oppression Olympic is stupid. Saying it as a Jew.
I love this review a lot. Specifically because of how its main argument isn't "Females are bad character woke" and it analyzes the scene
Exactly, I’m not really a fan of the show but I absolutely hate people railing on “the writing” nd not explaining any further, I feel like “the writing” argument gets thrown in a lot just to maintain credibility when all they did was cry about the girl nd not the show.
@@TheBostonboy95 but the writing is the show. It's right in our faces there's no need to explain how bad it is.
@@shogunpug4071 I haven't thought the writing was bad really at all. Other than the "I control anger infinitly more than you.". So clearly just saying the writing is bad isn't enough to make a point. People should actually explain why they feel the writing is bad.
"Woke" has just become such a loaded term
@@NasuPrime and I also think it's been an excuse to just be misogynistic. Feels like both sides are trying to pull the "who is more oppressed" game.
She-Hulk could have been a great show. The leaking blood just happens to land in her wound, and Banner is actually wounded to begin with because of a make-me-human gizmo he invented, which apparently is never seen again since it would negate the whole self-control theme is quite a string of McGuffins, but whatever, anything to make it not be Walters needing to be saved, but just an accident. The problem really is that Walters is not a sympathetic character. She retains her intellect, gains invulnerability, strength...all while staying herself. Its literally Hulk with zero downside, nothing like Bruce's own experience, yet she has no empathy that his experience was much worse, because Bruce lost the ability to be Bruce when Hulk takes over. The writing squandered their chance by making Walters defensive, and not giving her a learning curve to appreciate the price her cousin paid.
Thanks for providing this commentary. It really helped me understand why people (primarily men) seemed to hate this show so much. This cleared things up for me. Really appreciate it.
Earned a subscribe here bro. Your replacement speech for shehulk was beautiful, maybe you should be a script writer? Also didn't know she was driving... daaaaaamn
You can absolutely do a superhero show where the female protagonist faces workplace sexism. But this specific scene was outright character assassination for both Bruce and Jennifer, because simultaneously you have Jennifer outright belittling Bruce's issues (too bad you were a fugitive and had your entire life destroyed, I get cat called sometimes) it also makes Bruce look like a patronizing idiot all in the name of pop feminism. If somebody out there wants to make the superhero equivalent of Promising Young Woman, I am here for that. But this doesn't work.
Exactly. And She Hulk was like this in the comics. They had the opportunity to use that and they didn't, instead using a more "woke" approach.
This reminds me of The Boys. Starlight's sexual harassment by The Deep is an example of excellent critique to power abuse and sexism in the workplace
Game of thrones has a female protagonist who was well liked... except that last season. But other than that, it was great
@@spider-man500 Honestly, if Jennifer could have given that speech to someone not named Bruce Banner it could have worked. It’s not that she complained about sexism on television, she compared her frustration with not always being taken seriously in professional settings to the life and death struggles of being the Hulk which literally caused her cousin to attempt suicide.
They have assassinated characters and used them to push agendas before. They did this with captain America from civil war to endgame
8:06 First of all, anyone with basic self awareness would know the danger of being a Hulk, especially when you're in MCU. Even without knowing what exactly Bruce has been through, you can still identify the risk you pose to others, including loved ones, as seen in Age of Ultron. I get that being yanked out of your rising career would be very distressing but in such 'anger inducing' jobs there's always that looming risk she could mess it all up with She Hulk. Therefore, it doesn't make sense to hurry through her training in the first place. This whole tantrum in itself doesn't make sense
It a comedy centric show, so I don't take it any serious 😂
Dude your so hilarious and truthful. SubbeD. your edits are too funny
Thanks bro!
4:47 I'm goin to hell for laughin so hard at this LOLOLOL
Thanks. Every now and then we find a good well tought-out analysis, not just some forced reactions without any meaningful takes. Keep on going, Nasu.
You wrote that scene so much better, that it actually made me feel something, where the scene as written, did not.
Using the Word Wokeness is just muddied the water, in my opinion, making the whole Conversation weird. Just like the GOP does to R-cism, to the Detriment of us all, as 'Some More News' just explained in a hilarious-but-serious Video.
You, my friend, put this into the perfect words amazingly. Thank you so much. I hope everyone from all sides of this whole thing will listen to you.
Excellent video you captured so much and were so even handed. You represented both sides off the arguments.
Phase 1-3 seems like a distant memory of an old friend who died.
I loved the fact that you brought an alternative solution without having to belittle her problems or males. It just shows how talentless and lazy the writers are.
that joke with the american psycho namecards sent me to orbit😭😭 MY HAND FLEW TO MY MOUTH WITH THE LAST ONE
Dude u express your ideas so well
I believe you've hit it on the head. Holywood's idea of writing female protagonists is to make them infallible and stronger in pretty much every way than their male counterparts. Then, instead of lifting up the female protagonist they tear down the males in the show, often reducing them to caricatures of toxic masculinity. The finishing touch is added by having at least one feminist lecture per episode: in the case of She-Hulk the scene you chose fits that bill, whereas in ep 2 we had the breaking of the 4th wall as She-Hulk shows us a room filled with old white guys whose male privilege she decries, while in ep 3 the lecture comes from Jennifer Walters as she testifies in court to the lack of moral character of her former male coworker. You know what bugged me the most? That the writers made it so that Jennifer Walters HAS to be in She-Hulk form in the office but then in Ep 3 she represents the firm OUTSIDE the office in her human form, both in the prison trial and in her coworker's trial in court. So WHY did the writers force Jennifer Walters to be She-Hulk at work? So that they can complain about it in Ep 2 and have She-Hulk twerk in Ep. 3. Top notch writing all around...
There’s a reason why Michelle Yeoh is my favorite actress. She’s badass, scary, but also flawed. Nothing represents this as well as everything everywhere all at once, which is a perfect way to represent a woman and an Asian
Ep2: demands diversity but is upset about being a diversity hire COS ONLY SHE could "actually qualified for her job".. Everyone else got by on nepotism and blowjobs
Everything has gone downhill since Endgame. The MCU feels so aimless and bloated now
Stan Lee is probably going and spinning mach 9 on his grave.
@@totally.normal bro
I love the music in your videos , heard some doom on one , subbed bro
I absolute give you full respect. Thank you for tackling such controversial subject and public talk about it. I stand fully behind you and your message.
"but im not a script writer" my ass!! That point you made with the script re-write is literally perfect!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I know the ending to this vid was meant as a joke; but the series literally shows that Jen is a horrible driver because, in a scene while she's driving her car on a busy highway, she takes a moment or two to break the fourth wall to address the audience about guest stars in her series - taking her eyes off the road and hands off the wheel in order to accomplish this. I know this is a fictional story and all; but my God - they could have shot that scene so much better without making Jen look like she has zero care for road safety.
Should learn a thing or two from Strange
Given that it's a 4th wall break, this seems like a really weird nitpick. Maybe she's using the same "cosmic awareness" that allows her to perceive the audience to pay attention to the road at the same time. The point being... her eyes not being on the road is the *least* significant part of that scene.
To be fair there was a spaceship in front of her so freaked out and lost control
Wow. This should have more views. Well explained. You got new subscriber here. Cant wait for more.
I knew something didn't sit right with me watching those scenes, thanks for putting it into words, very good video