You DON'T Want Diversity | Ms Marvel and Miles Morales
Like half the population, I've been following the Marvel Cinematic Universe for years now. Phase 4 has been pretty damn good at best (No Way Home) and unwatchable at worst (Eternals). I recently watched the newest MCU Disney+ series and uhhh have some thoughts. A video on the implications of media representation is actually an idea I've had since before starting my channel. Although it's a topic that relates to movies, shows, and video games alike, I didn't make the vid cause I didn't have a piece of media I wanted to talk about, but watching Ms. Marvel gave me some talking points and inspired me to act on the video idea. If you still reading, I got a new mic and am still kinda figuring it out but lmk how it sounds!
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First off, I’d like to point out that these are two wildly different characters with wildly different cultures, and wildly different stigmas surrounding those two cultures. 4:17 I mean, is there anything wrong here? Kamala’s religion IS a pretty big part of her life. 4:33 It isn’t the extent of her personality though. 6:05 I get why the show doesn’t feel the need to elaborate this, but Kamala starts off wanting to fit in to the status quo. This is why she idolises Carol Danvers. She believes her religion is holding her back from the person she wants to be. She goes from wanting to be like someone else to becoming her own person. 6:08 This necklace is actually relevant to her identity as Ms Marvel, so this point kinda sucks. 6:12 Most of the audience can’t read Arabic, let alone know that it was spelling out her name. Heck, I didn’t even know it read from right to left. 6:21 Do Miles’ Jordans have any relevance to the story? No? That’s what I thought. 6:49 This is taking the scene out of context. Kamala here is on the verge of believing she is wrong for dreaming. As much as it might hurt for her to say, every word of that line is true (to her). 7:25 Spoken like someone who doesn’t know Ms Marvel at all. 7:37 Her conflict is primarily her need to know who she is so she can learn to fit in. That’s my read of it, you can probably find better ones from from more avid fans. 7:49 Again, out of context. Muneeba is rebellious like her daughter. She disliked Night Light not because she saved someone, but because Night Light (Kamala) felt as though they were trying to be someone else. This is why Kamala almost failed to save the shoe thief, she let the superhero gig get to her head. Not to mention, also putting the local Mosque under scrutiny. 7:54 My guy, the suit is a mix of a shalwar kameez and a burkini, two traditional garments of Pakistani clothing. Even then, Muneeba was never worried about skin-tight suits, only skimpy ones, and she considered ones that showed the waist to be skimpy. 9:16 Dude, smart people exist. We get it, you’re not that smart. But yeah, everyone at an institution called “Caltech” would definitely be well-versed in… well, tech. We see (atleast twice) Bruno actually doing research and studying. You don’t have to be a tech genius for that. 11:06 Corporations will continue to make a lot of money, with or without diversity. Which would you prefer?
First off, I’d like to point out that you are trying to educate someone born into a life that is a combination of those two “wildly different cultures” who has experienced those “wildly different stigmas surrounding those two cultures” and I am telling you no, they aren’t so different. What *is* wild to me is the amount of confidence you have in your ignorance. Cultures do not exist independent of each other. They can, and do overlap. Minority groups especially relate heavily with other minorities. Immigrants in western countries face a lot of the same persecution and as such grow up with similar hardships. Many Filipinos despite living in Asia identify as Latino due to a shared history of Spanish colonization. Also I’m not sure if you’re aware but people from two different cultures can have kids together and have their cultures mix. Culture can relate to a group based on race, region, religion among other things. But sure man, tell me more about how these are rigid constructs that are all so “wildly different” from each other, I must have dreamt my life's story. 1. Thank you for telling me the religion that is a “pretty big part of my life” is also a “pretty big part of her life”. Almost like I said as much just a few seconds after that time stamp 2. Arguing 101: If you refute a point, rebut with something. If that isn’t the extent of her personality, describe what is her personality and how that's conveyed to the audience. If your entire rebuttal is just “no, you’re wrong” you end up just looking stupid 3. So being an intergalactic superhero is “fitting in to the status quo”? Her idolization never changes, and this “religion holding her back” thing isn’t a point that's ever made. She wants to be a superhero, she becomes a superhero 4. My point was against the presentation of the necklace, not it's existence but hey, you keep beating the hell out strawman bro. I’m rooting for you 5. You can’t read Arabic. Cool. I can. It’s not a key thing that everyone needs to know. MCU films are *packed* with easter eggs and references that the vast majority of viewers would never pick up on. They don't have to. The meaning of the necklace can be a cool thing that the Pakistani and/or Muslim audience picks up on and serve as a talking point with viewers who aren't part of that demographic. You don’t need to be able to read it to notice that the ك later comes to foreshadow the lightning bolt of her suit. 6. I’mma be honest, the ignorance peaks with this one. That entire section of the video is about Miles’s characterization. I point to how prominent that particular shoe brand is among the black community and you still fail to see how that could be a subtle yet effective way to characterize him. You dismiss that and immediately begin fellating yourself. I guess Miles should have just had a necklace with his name written in graffiti text to show how black he is. 7. And it is every bit as silly and absurd as the parody scene I made for Miles right after that. It’s incredibly ham-fisted and unnatural. Miles had a very similar arc before he got to the point where he realizes “anyone can wear the mask”. Notice how that's at the VERY END of the film. But Kamala says that and Bruno immediately tells her “sure you can. You’re Kamala Khan, you can do anything.” as if that's supposed to mean anything to the audience in the middle of the first episode. Before the show has shown us Kamala being great, it just tell us how great she is (trust me bro). Excellent characterization 8. Repetitive moot point 9. I see that your comment has been edited, so you’ve clearly reviewed it. So does that mean you’re intentionally contradicting yourself here or? I thought Kamala went from wanting to fit in to learning to be her own person. But now you're saying discovering who she is what *helps* her fit in? 10. Muneeba being rebellious has no relevance to this point. She is way too quick to accept everything, especially when it comes to reconciling with her mother. Like she said to Sana, she didn’t need her crazy theories, she needed her mother. Kamala validating those theories does not suddenly erase all the potential trauma Muneeba faced in her adolescence when everyone ridiculed her because of her mother. Her disdain for all the magic talk she heard from Sana is not suddenly going to disappear overnight. 11. Muneeba: “Captain Marvel أَسْتَغْفِرُ اللّٰهَ” Kamala: “She’s a hero” Muneeba: “-in a very tight suit” Kamala: “It’s not that tight!” 12. Kamala: “You're good at math, do you know anything about interdimensional travel off the top of your head? Specifically about the Noor dimension” and miraculously, this high schooler actually knows of a paper that relates to that. Not even ten minutes later we see him reading that paper, Kamala’s dad comes into the store, sees the paper and conveniently reads an excerpt with the EXACT information they needed. But that's not at all contrived. In the final episode, Bruno tells Kamala how he analyzed her genetic makeup again (just common highschool activities) and casually introduces mutants into the MCU. But yeah man, you don’t have to be a tech genius for that. 13. Without. Because any job worth doing is a job worth doing well. So you’ll have to forgive me, but if Marvel drops a new black superhero called the Watermelon Warrior, I don’t think I’m gonna be celebrating. Look up the Dunning-Kruger effect. It’s a pretty interesting read but fair warning, it may hit a bit close to home. I sincerely hope you take the time to educate yourself. Until then I’ll be awarding you with the pin of shame
... idk what to say man, it seems like you clicked on the video with a pen and paper in-hand in order to start verbally "dunking" on Nasu without even thinking about what you were saying
Les goooooo comment wars.
@@NasuPrime Hey man, appreciate the reply. Looking back, I think you’re right, “wildly different” isn’t the right way to phrase it. Different absolutely do overlap, however, nuances do exist, and I think those nuances are big enough to allow Miles and Kamala to be portrayed differently. 1) Islam may not be a big part of your life, but it definitely is for Kamala. Her religion informs her moral compass and motivation as a superhero. 2) This one is just what I think personally. I think that Kamala is a incredibly kind person. She’s the kind of person to wear her heart on her sleeve, which is something I’ve always liked from the comics. As we see throughout the show, she’s an amalgamation of family, friends and community. 3) Obviously, being an intergalactic superhero isn’t the status quo (it may as well be lmao), but the point here is that Kamala believes Carol isn’t being held back by something like religion. Carol, despite being the intergalactic superhero that she is, doesn’t feel like a fish out of water on Earth, she’d just be a big celebrity. 4) Personally, the presentation, is my favourite part. She holds it so that we only see the letter K in Arabic (the only part that doesn’t break off later). Also, this necklace needs to explain how Kamala has the lightning bolt symbol on her suit. It would be pretty rough to not explain what it is. 5) In all fairness, this show is packed with Easter Eggs, it seems like you got most of them, cool. 6) Fair enough, but my point still stands. I’m not advocating that he have some graffiti necklace. Maybe something symbolic? I don’t know. Neat shoes though. 7) I think this is just Bruno cheering him up. However, the phrasing makes me think this lines up with when Yusuf quotes the Quran (“when you save one life, you saved the world”). 8) Yeah, I kinda regret sounding so rude now. Apologies for that. 9) As Kamala says, there is no normal. She’s stopped trying to fit in and is just doing her own thing, more importantly, at her own pace. 10) You’re right, which is why the very next scene has Muneeba and Sana bonding through old photos. 11) Ah dang, did not notice she said that. Kudos for catching it, my bad. I’ve looked some incarnations of her suit and it seems roughly half of them are tight-fitting and the other half are loose, but I’m not 100% sure on this topic. 12) I’m pretty sure what Kamala said was meant to be a joke, and wasn’t actually expecting an answer. The joke to us is that he actually has one. But yeah, Selvig did a lot of work on the subject, and Bruno actually doing research is pretty normal, given how he studies in Wakanda in the comics and is going to some prestigious program in Caltech. 13) That’s true. There is bad representation, and there is good representation. I’d much rather have people create and write a superhero that resonates with them and feel it represents them. The corporation is (unfortunately) going to make money anyway, but I’d definitely want good representation over bad. Just read up on the Dunning-Kruger effect. Very interesting read for sure. All I can say is that your reply has definitely been an education, thank you for that. Looking back, I did not mean to sound rude, but it came out as such, and I’m sorry for that. You made an entire video, using your own experience to explain why Miles was written better than Kamala. The best I can say is that I’m glad we can both resonate with these characters, and that hopefully we can have a more civil conversation moving forward.
@@OoXLR8oO "I didn't mean to sound rude" You, in the first comment: "Dude, smart people exist. We get it, you're not that smart" Dunno man, looks like you were in fact trying to sound rude. If it's really not the case you should try harder. Edit: good god did you really read his reply?
I don't want diversity in my movies. I want Samuel L. Jackson to play every single character.
You might be onto something...
He just like me fr fr
you’re so smart!
The father looks into his daughters eyes, she looks back up to him with tears in her eyes *Samuel L Jackson voice* "I scraped my motherfucking leg!"
Yes
“Being represented is one thing, being well represented is another.” Powerful thing to say for sure
Kinda, lets remember that the concern in over being represented in FICTIONAL MEDIA. This video is hyper salacious, I mean it implies that there were no black movie characters between Al Jolsen and Black Panther, and that Lucians ult is a drive by and that hes the only black league of legends character, that's all false.
@@dmtripreport8542 media like marvel shows and movies have a lot of influence my dude. Black panther was one of the most watched marvel movies I believe
There are a lot of original black characters and stories. The misery porn movies about slavery and black characters playing the best friend to meet a quota is only to please self righteous white people. They don’t care about other cultures really, then there’s people that bash diversity as soon as there is even a whiff of it. It’s cringey and usually for pointless reasons. Like the recent Batman movie’s catwoman. People complained about race swapping but the actress playing her is a mixed woman… so why isn’t she considered white?
@@SuperRONDALE Why is remembering slavery 'misery porn' but no one else remembering certain tragedies in their past or history framed in that way? And obviously you'd want black presentation to go beyond side characters and supporting characters and that's what a lot of black people have been fighting for over the past decade, but it's also better that someone makes an effort to have us in a shows/movies at all. I'm a black person and i don't have any issue with this, or any of the other situations or race change that a lot of people complain about mind you. The loudest voices on these things including this superman situation are usually white people and they're usually the first to speak before some self hating or mindless crowd of black people start repeating the same thing. At least the "self righteous white people" appear to be making some effort while the bigoted ones are shouting everyone down and trying to keep everything the same
should have gone with "represented well", obviously, but americans gonna pasha london school Sadge
Miles Morales doesn't feel like the typical diversity to me he feels like an actual great quality character.
He is your typical pushed diversity character....They also added a "Black lives matter" Poster on a building in that game...a racist anti-white domestic terror organization who is responsible for multiple deaths, millions of dollars of damage and an organization that hunted white people on the streets like they were cattle...he may be a nice guy but still part of the radical agenda....
@@xenomorphlover He's not pushed really he was just introduced, but ok.
Its because there was an actual plan for him in the comics, it wasn’t just thrown together for no reason
That’s your fault for thinking diversity is a bad thing. He IS “typical diversity.” Characters that are memorable and unique and special and different from each other.
@@ms.divine4696 Bro, they tried pushing him for 12 years, to universal rejection the entire time.
Someone once said: "if you think race, sexuality, etc. Is a personality trait, you failed at writing". Edit: I confused character traits for personality traits so i changed it, my bad.
Right even in shows where gayness is the main thing there’s more to the characters than the fact they’re queer
Well no, they are character traits, they’re aspects of their identities and affect who they are as people, just not *personality* traits. I still see what you mean tho lol.
Who said that, cause if that person actually meant *carachter* trait instead of *personality* trait I don't think it'd be wise to quote them
@@Just_A_Random_Asshole Right, confused the both. Either way, im tired of this political and diverse bs.
If only twitter's userbase would get this through their heads
We DO want diversity, what we DON'T want is tokenism. The distinction between the two is lost on modern media for the most part unfortunately.
In today's world those two are the same thing. To call for diversity IS to call for tokenism because a character chosen for the sake of diversity MUST be a token because their physical traits are the sole reason they were made. Just how a 'gay character' must shove it down the audience's throats perpetually. The character wasn't written or designed to be meaningful or have depth, they were written and designed to be black or gay and there is no room for depth when one's identity is skin deep.
Exactly.
"I got my opinion from The Act Man"
Why do you want Diversity? Diversity for diversity sake is meaningless.
@@Lin_Eileen "I'm a tool with no point"
It's good to see that they fixed miles' character after years of just being peter's shadow. The reason why miles in spiderverse is a great spiderman is because he's continously struggling to be his own spiderman. He eventually figured out how to be his own spiderman and nobody gives a shit if he's black. It feels like most media goes for representation first and good character last.
Yeah miles when first introduced in the comics as a character i was just not feeling it. It was clear they made him black just to get back pats for being diverse without doing anything to make us believe he is worthy of taking the mantle of spiderman. Over the years though writers and others have really done a good job making him his own character. The creators of spiderverse and insomniac games studio have done the best at making a really good miles that people like myself who absolutely adore peter parker now also adore miles and wouldnt wanna see him go just like they wouldnt wanna see peter go.
Definitely could've phrased the first sentence better lol
@@sweett3253 nah, it'll be fine
True. In the comics miles is a pretty boring character. So when the movie came out I was pretty apprehensive, but then I saw it and really loved the portrayal. Same goes for Spider-Man PS4. He can be a good character but he just needs to be written well. As a side note I do wish that they’d just give him his own name.
That last sentence is 100% accurate. The original author of Miles created him solely to be a black Spiderman , and he wasn't fleshed out as an actual character until other writers picked up the story a few years later. That same author pulled the same crap with Iron Heart replacing Iron Man recently, too, Making her a full Mary Sue and everything. From what I hear, she was given to other writers recently, who made her an actual character (again).
as a white puerto rican, i have never related with a character as much as i have with miles. they did a phenomenal job by using the “show don’t tell” quirk. miles not just to me but to almost every puerto rican means more than just being included just to be included. it honestly makes me even prouder to be a puerto rican.
“White” “puerto rican” lol you’re not white to us.
ok lol
Yeah people seem to forget that Puerto Rican (like the rest of Latinos) is just a nationality with different race groups but everyone gets along due to sharing the same culture
Miles Morales is not a well made character, he's your token black Spiderman.
@@EDGE234 there are plenty other black spiderman how is he a token black spiderman
Y'know the representation is good when it's not even something you think about while watching the media it's part of
Well there's reason to call attention to demography if you really want to make a commentary on world issues where it's very relevant to that, but I don't think anybody is going to watch the Khamala Khan show for that reason. Marvel really just has it's Sci fi formula it always had, and that doesn't really mesh well with discussing heavier topics, so demographics should mostly be irrelevant, or the real life injustice represented and the fictional power stuff people tune in for will be fighting too hard for attention
@@ericfieldmanwhat lol
@thedarkroom6416 I'm saying if you document real stuff that really happened, with biopics and what have you, and you don't correctly identify which communities it happened to, it's relevant then. I'm not saying anybody's race or ethnicity needs to have any bearing over how they act, I'm just drawing a distinction between hypothetical scenarios and plots made up by people, and retellings of historical events.
@thedarkroom6416 and i see how this sounds on revision. I'm not saying fictional stories should never address real social issues and make social commentary, but that's not Marvel's thing. As a guy who's seen a lot of Marvel movies and enjoyed them, I don't watch them to think about stuff, I go to see the lasers and the guys getting punched.
And sadly most of Hollywood Media doesnt actually have that kind of represantation,
Basically Well yes, we do want diversity, but they need to be good characters
Exactly
Yes 👏👏👏
Exactly not just race swapped or gender swapped characters with the same personality
indeed
I don't want diversity, diversity simply means "less White"
Love how they don’t talk about Ned being Filipino directly, but in no way home, his Lola/ grandmother is speaking in Tagalog. And when I saw that scene in theatres it made me swell with pride that all these people in this packed room heared my native language being spoken! It was so surreal, and made me truly realize that representation is better authentic rather than forced.
Diversity is extremly important, its just that corporations literally often described as literally being evil, do it wrong.
@@slevinchannel7589 Ikr!! Diversity will ALWAYS bee needed, ONLY if done PROPERLY
@@slevinchannel7589 only represent what fits in the setting.
That part was cringe but yes
Imagine Ned was bullied Everytime bcus he was Filipino or they make absolutely sure they showed us and told us he listened to Filipino music
The way miles swings on his web in the games has more personality than a lot of Marvel films.
gotta be that exaggerated swagger at work
@@GuiltlessGearwalk/swing with the swagger of a teenage boy
YO THE EXAGGERATED SWAGGER OF A BLACK TEEN
He "black" swings.
No sense made
As a girl in south asia I don't even need diversity at this point, what I need now is a good story and a fresh concept
if even people don't want it, why it's still a thing ...
@@frantz48_ I know right? You don't need to watch these movies to know what it's going to force feed you and most of the writers don't know what they are doing most of the time too. It's like they don't want you to think. If you want to let someone know that your favourite colour is yellow, you don't have to yell it out every opening you get instead let the character wear it from time to time and let the viewers figure it on their own terms
not even fresh, just well made
@@quemuraa that's true
as a muslim girl whos pakistani i want the same thing
I just hate companies idea of diverse being "Let's just race swap a popular superhero". It doesn't even work most of the time and it does nothing for the people it represents. Please just make your diverse character have an actual personality and give them a original story.
nick fury ??
my guy is okay with 12 Flashes, 5 Robin's, a crap ton of Green Lantern's bit draw the line at two people being called Spider-Man
@@Danny-mp8dq Are you talking about me? I don't even watch dc and I never said I had a problem with miles morales bro or really any other Spiderman 🤨🤨🤨
@@treger4383 and I oop
@@chowdersalt Fr doe, miles never counted as a race swap and imo is how the industry should approach representation
I think the reason Miles works is because he isn't defined by his race,he's just the new Spiderman. Along with that he's just written a lot better,has a lot of funny moments but still managing to be cool at times. There's also "Into the Spiderverse",need I say more?
@@caitlyncarvalho7637 The video also says he's bi-racial at a different point. But yes, that is more accurate.
@@EDGE234 What is your point here? First off, the whole idea is that he is not "token black" he, like lots of people, has his ethnicity and origin as a large part of who he is. However, at the same time, it isn't being shoved down the viewer's throat and instead is a way of letting the viewer understand the character better, while his character goes much much deeper. Also, what is your point about pride? I'm thoroughly confused on what point you're trying to make. It's not about feeling proud, it's about feeling represented. Think all the months/days to celebrate people. Think memorial day, pride moth, mothers day, or veterans day. Sure you could make the point of "what's the point of veterans day, like all a day is is just a period of time made up by people so why would they care. But that's not the point, it's to commemorate. It's the same thing with representation in films.
@@EDGE234 cringe
@@inactive.7549 he's not even a token lmao he doesn't fit in a coin slot
@EDGE234 how do you deadass say the dumbest shit on the internet?
As a mixed race Brazillian, who grew up in Brazil and just heard about this representation thing in recent years I got to say this doesn't matter as much as americans make it look like. I and most of Brazilians and latin americans in general are inspired and love characters who have no connection with us. Goku is an alien raised in Japan that turns into a Blonde guy with green eyes, and I have never seen someone feeling bad watching Dragon ball or Naruto or Batman or Static Shock because they don't look or live like me. Diversity can bring different stories, characters and places, and that should be the focus. Not to diversify just to identify, but to actually expand and create new art.
Concordo, o ponto dele de você assistir algo e dizer "he just like me" acontece comigo e as pessoas que conheço com personagens que não são nada parecidos fisicamente conosco, eu posso me identificar com as ações de uma personagem feminina por exemplo.
The problem with Americans is that they put their own race before their nationality which is the complete opposite with Latin America, that's why they tend to be so divided and obsessed with race
@@elharvey5032 That’s not the whole story. We’re divided and obsessed with race because the entire country was founded on colonial racism and that was never rectified. We fought a whole civil war over it and both sides of that divide still exist. We still haven’t fully integrated since segregation ended and conservative media still fear mongers against minorities to this day for profit and to retain political influence.
I think you misunderstand the point of diversity in media and what exactly it means to Americans. It has nothing to do with feeling bad when seeing characters that don’t look like us or not being able to relate to them. It’s more about having a voice. Even though state mandated segregation is now illegal, the U.S. is still fairly segregated. Fear mongering tactics are constantly used against minorities in the media and people who have never met someone like me build up prejudices from it. Good representation not only humanizes us to these people, but seeing someone like Miles Morales shown loved by the public makes me feel like I can be shown love here too when the hate is so prevalent and loud.
@@elharvey5032Its the complete opposite in all of the world. Only Americans put thier race above nationality.
You hit the nail on the head, but I think it's a feature not a bug. The whole point is to strip away anyone's sense of history and culture, and replace it with a corporatized consumer culture. They don't create a new princess movie based on an African folktale, they cast a black person in the role of a pre-established corporate icon. Then a generation or two down the line, new demographics know more about the history of the corporate icon then of their own culture. The icon is their culture.
Nah. Youre just mad little black girls grow up in America too and are just as American as Ariel and her story. Youre mad people of color are making you uncomfortable by playing roles you tie to white people. Youre just mad because the world is progressing without you and you think its unfair when youve been raised being told otherwise. Halle did a wonderful job playing Ariel by the way. And so long as the origin is an American tale or twist, be prepared for every race under the sun to potray that role, as they should, because this land is just as much my land as it yours. If white people can be "American" so can anyone else who identifies with the culture here. Thank the early settlers for not thinking so far into the historical effect their actions would cause. TLDR; dont tell people that the early hyperinfactuation of white people on screen and roles of iconography, has some "cultural boundary" when we all grew up together here, being told those characters represents all of us.
@@beecried we're talking about the same thing - everyone, regardless of race or skin color, stripped of their history & culture, replaced with a single corporate-sponsored narrative for the whole world. If you think that's a good thing then more power to you and God bless. Me, I'd rather hear what someone with a different cultural background than me actually has to say, rather than what they've been told by corporate marketing departments their whole life.
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@seanwardshow so because I'm not agreeable I'm parroting marketing and cooperate talk. Or maybe that's just how I feel, bruh. You're trying to make it look like you have a genuine view point when in actuality, your speaking against diversity because you think black people shouldn't potray the things you like because it's a power move in your eyes. It's like a reparation you feel like you're paying up- but none of this is your fault! You can't pull wool over my eyes. I've seen the shallow argument before. _"i'm just saying, the better blacks? They agree with me! They know its all cooperate stuff! I'm on your side!"_ You're on your own side, and you have some agendas you need to sort out. Being upset because poc are also representing iconic American characters they've also internalized growing up is a personal issue. I guess I am cooperate, but I'd rather be cooperate than whatever the hell you are.
@@enemyspotted2467thats what I said to your dad the night you were conceived.
Another problem with laziness in diversity is the fact they never bother doing the bare minimum research about the cultures of minorities and instead rely on stereotypes. Case in point, black panther. As a marvel fan, I enjoyed black panther, as an African, a Nigerian, I hated it at the same time. The accents were complete and absolute rubbish and hard to listen to. They literally took African 'stereotypes' and mishmashed them into that movie. It was entertaining, but it also felt really insulting, and this is not something unique to marvel, but Hollywood in general.
Ayy another Nigerian. Yeah there were definitely some questionable aspects but overall it was a fun watch. Long as you don't think about it too much lol
@@NasuPrime wow, dude, you too? I never would've guessed at all😂, that's awesome.
@@kuoliibk Nigerians be everywhere honestly
@@NasuPrime yes we are everywhere brother 😎
I was excited about the whole aesthetic, production design, costumes the world and so on of black panther. Figured after 6 movies of grey nothingness in generic city backdrop #12 it'd be a nice change of pace. Aaaaaand it was two sets. Two. One street and that ravine-side with the pools for combat. Everything else was just cgi nonsense with a coat of tribal-looking paint, and I had to sit there and listen to people pretending like it was some groundbreaking cultural milestone because black people and cgi rhinos. Jesus christ Luke cage had more personality than that
i’m black and i agree one HUNDRED percent with this. give us our own original characters and backstories. we don’t want your sloppy seconds.
No. original live action marvel characters are gonna suck.
Cameron Dickerson But you probably won't complain if a black character is made white or some aspect of black culture or thing is represented as white. You should probably try speaking for yourself more cause I don't agree. I highly doubt that you have a problem with these characters because they're 'sloppy seconds' more than you just regurgitating what a bunch of people say. If it promotes more black representation I don't see how it's bad, especially if you like these characters. Whenever heroes pass on their title no one calls it 'sloppy seconds', it's only sloppy seconds when it's about black people
Exactly
@@Scoring57 @Scoring57 quality over quantity cooperations are shoveling this shit out for money instead of spending time on making it good which would be better representation wise.
@@Scoring57 imagine wanting diversity but have no desire for originality. When a character gets whitewash the backlash is always tenfold. That’s why no character has been white washed since segregation times. However making characters black, who historically aren’t, is pandering and blackwashing. You can really support the idea of Anne Boleyn being black just to make her black? That historically doesn’t make sense and just makes you appear to be racist. Oh and don’t forget everyone losing their minds when they see a white person in braids. Since according to you Neanderthals no other culture ever had braids besides African culture 🤡
I think its also insulting that these companies think people are so empty inside that they need somone to litterally look like them to relate to the character or empathise with them. I'm neither a teen, man, black or American, but I freaking loved Miles and his story.
You’re white alright that’s for sure.
The problem is that for a lot of film history queer and non-White characters were derogatory, so while of course anybody can relate to any character, no matter the skin color, or gender/sexuality they have, it can connect even further with people who haven’t seen their culture represented
And I'm not Columbian, but I still relate heavily to Bruno Madrigal.
This is a big reason I despise fantasy races that are just humans with *insert random mutation here* I can forgive Human-with-different-head/face races, especially anthros since I actually DO connect with anthros, but anything less just feels shallow and vain, and the most common excuse is "IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE REE-LAY-TUH-BULL!!!"
Nobody says that. It’s nice to be represented tjough
These aren’t characters, they’re tokens. “If you’re nothing without your [diversity] then you shouldn’t have it” Fantastic sir! 🏆🔥
Spiderman 2099, is that you?
@@siyabongasibanyoni6830 I’ll take it 🤣👊🏻
YES! i love how they used that quote. if they dont have substance before the diversity, then neither does their diversity
Representation is when a production company hires diverse, and talented filmmakers to create authentic and diverse stories. Tokenism is when the production companies force white writers to write in non-white characters for the appearance of diversity. A24 does representation, while Disney does tokenism.
Meat-riding is crazy
Ned’s Lola scene in Spider Man No Way Home was all show and no tell, and it made the Filipino community and myself so proud. It didn’t even BOTHER to have subtitles for the grandma, just a small group of us able to laugh along with her. And that made it all the more special.
Bilingual bonuses are hella cool! I always love it when characters speak Greek and I can understand them, even if it's a throwaway line and the actor has a Cypriot or other accent 😛
My mom was pogging so hard
I can appreciate the sentiment, and I'm glad the touch felt authentic. I dont believe subtitles should be left off though. That is actually exclusivity. Maybe I want to laugh at the jokes too.
As a Filipino, yeah it was really natural. No pandering, just a show and tell detail.
ito lang payo ko sayo. Oo. maganda ang representation. Pero Wag ka masyado manood ng mga Anti-Woke Anti-Sjw youtubers. Napopoison na utak mo. Mga youtubers na to ata mga pinapanood mo eh. The Quartering Geeks and Gamers Nerdrotic. LOL. kung yan mga pinapanood mo. nagpapauto ka sa mga yan.
When you mentioned a diverse show and brought up Arcane I was actually surprised. I don't even think about it. WHICH SHOULD BE THE GOAL!
Is arcane even diverse lol? They were only white people and black people, zero Asians if I remember correctly
@@imbiant8873 Finn, the metal jaw guy
@@imbiant8873 what you prefer they make a race checklist?
@@yuji5134 if u making a dystopic show, then Yes they should
@@imbiant8873 ...no. the show does exceedingly well with diversity, and the last thing i need from season 2 would be if they dumbed it way the fuck down and made it blatant.
I want diversity to be a passive thing, as just another things that's part of the movie. It shouldn't be something the studio talks about, and it should be done in a way that the public can accept. That even makes most sense for what's to be achieved. It's not all that hard, though they still have to have a good personality outside of their diversity
So you want the roll out of other races and people of colour in Hollywood movie roles done SLOWLY and exactly how you and people who get angry about diversity personally dictate it should be done? Got it!
Yeah, unless the story is specifically about issues related to the diversity. Like in Nimona, the movie, her identity is deeply ingrained into the message of the story. She's not genderfluid and possibly sapphic as a diversity check, it's literally part of the theme.
4:17 man this took me of guard. I can't stop laughing at it
Bro I was died at this
YES! I’m Puerto Rican, and my family is from NYC. When I first heard of Miles Morales, I was cautious. I did not trust Marvel to portray someone of my culture without tokenizing him to all hell. Latinos are usually just the sPiCy and hyper sexual character. That’s it. But when I saw Into the Spiderverse, I was so excited. They didn’t make his Puerto-Rican heritage a plot point. Nor was his blackness a plot point. He was just a hero who happened to be black and Puerto Rican. He’s funny, creative, sometimes a little awkward. He reminded me of my siblings and my cousins. The fact that I saw my own family in Miles Morales is what made me feel represented. 🇵🇷
W for miles and I’m glad u got represented, as a black guy I love miles
now that's a properly well-written character. someone who is indirectly representing something without showing it to everyone else.
Tf u ranting about 🤣
Wait till MCU adapt Miles Morales and he's gonna make him extra sassy and made him gay 🤣
@@feliksdzerzhinskij800 oh no, don't
I don’t want characters to be known for being diverse, I want the character to be known for being well written. Skin color and religious background shouldn’t be character traits, or personality. Miles Morales done well, while Riri Williams isn’t done well. Every race shouldn’t be represented, they should be represented well. A movie or TV show only focusing on Diversity fails who they are trying to represent, and always ends up being crap.
Most "MARVEL" fans watch it because they are looking at the heroes they grew up with/ comics heroes and not some cultural/racial/religious inclusion...................like the marvel fans don't care about how the heroes look or their race or something..........all they care about is a good story and a good character.🙃
So then why are you guys bitching if you don’t care. Let me guess it’s because YOU don’t think the writing is good. Funny how all the YOU’s think the same.
@@KraugelSky if Marvel fans cared about a good story they wouldn't still be Marvel fans
There's always gonna be something attached to a person's "skin color," because its heavily indicative of their background. The real thing we should be asking is why that bothers people so much.
Maybe easy for you since you're white. Lol. I love seeing Diversity, Namor looking like a badass Atlean Aztec dude has me hyped for BP2 and seeing America Chavez got my daughter obessed with comics
Great video. I'm black and have the same opinions about diversity in media. I once had someone tell me that I should "want to see more black people on screen." Like, as if I'm this robot whose circuits light up when I see a black dude instead of a white dude lol
Show with black main character created, the black collective requires your attendance to it's showing
I also feel like what makes Miles Morales work so well is that he helps to play into the idea that anyone can Spider-Man. White, black, anime girl or cartoon pig, anyone is capable of doing good. They may not have chose to be bitten, but they all chose to be Spider-People.
he also just relatable being young, let alone what race. he trying to figure everything out while having different people give him different view on how he should live his life, from his parents to people his age to strangers older than him with middle age peter parker. that feeling of trying to figure out what to even do with your life while not really wanting to take it seriously at all is probably what is most relatable to me.
We want Diversity, We welcome Diversity. We don't want Terribly Written & Forced No Personality and No Characterized Characters of Diverse Characters with Stupid changes that make no sense.
Then we need writers who care about characters and less about diversity that needs to be a afterthought.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 i mean, i think diversity is an important aspect to character creation-- and i'm not just talking about racial diversity. you want your characters to stand out from one another
@@actualgoblin Not if it's the only reason you're character exists, these inept writers in Hollywood seem to think simply being diverse automatically equals interesting compelling character the answer to that is no.
There‘s tons of poorly written white cis-male characters but as soon as it’s a minority..people start complaining about sjw’s and woke writers pushing an agenda down their throats...doesn’t mean a character is a minority and poorly written that it automatically means the writer wrote them with diversity in mind...maybe it’s a poorly written character that just happens to be a minority....as a black person i don’t like that everytime a black character is poorly written or not acted well..people jump to the gun to say they were only only hired because of diversity...when there’s tons white actors that do a poor job...so doesn’t mean you don’t think they’re a good actor that it means they were only hired for diversity...maybe the person that hired them thought they were good
@@elongatedmanforever1252 give an example of which character you think was only created to create diversity
“Being represented is one thing. Being WELL represented is another” - Nasu my goat 10/10 video
I looked through the comments specifically to see if someone posted this. This quote was absolutely RESONANT.
I like goats Edit: Oh' ma' goat!
@@Not_Me994 I'd like to see Arcane-lvele Writing but in Solarpunk instead of Cyberpunk. As 'Some More News' pointed out in their Popcorn-Movie: How we see the Future really has visibly changed. People now imagine the Future Grim and Movies represent that. I personally would love for a Group to be included into Inclusivity that no one speaks about: Socialists. I'd love Arcane but with Socialists and/or Solarpunk; an Exploration of a brighter Future.
I feel like the representation was good actually But just having representation isn't going to make a story
My greatest of all time
Thanks for mentioning Arcane! I felt like the women were varied and incredible but each flawed in their own way which made them feel real.They were just human and motivated by very human things and I watched the show 4 times. Now I cry just from hearing the music from the show because it's a masterpiece! It's like modern day Shakespeare production. The diversity serves to help show you the different cultures of the world outside of the bounds of the show and enriches the worldbuilding instead of being randomly thrown in just for "rainbow" points. And the variety of cultures makes sence to come together in a mining/shipping port city. And none of them are a cardboard cut-out to represent "gays" or "skin color", they each have a unique set of traits and characters. And Mel Medarda is just gorgeous. Love her, especially. She, like many of the characters, gives you a first impression that makes you think you know what she's about but when they break her open she's so much more complicated and facinating. It's why Silco hits different, too. From "simple bad guy" to "complex guy making choices we disagree with but kinda see what he was going for". If anyone hasn't seen it yet, you're missing out on one of the best shows this decade.
agree with everything you wrote. Arcane is GOAT
Miles is one of the few diversity casts that were done right. Although it took them a minute, he's definitely his own Spider-Man and his own character. For years I avoided his story and just appreciated Peter Parker, but I think when I played the PS5 game that's what really drew me into the character. Race swapping is one of the cheapest ways to diversity, we definitely agree on that. And you're actually doing people who truly want diversity a disservice. Create new characters, even if they have similar powers to already established ones, just cement them with their own identities and story lines. And the right people will come flocking
Other rare "successful" cases of race swapping are Nick Fury, Catwoman, Aqualad, A-Train from The Boys, or Heimdall from Thor. I think Lex Luthor is originally white too, but his most iconic look is "Racially ambiguous bald brown man in a suit". But I think in those cases, being diverse clearly isn't the goal. It's based on other factors, & the new character naturally shines so much that you don't notice/care. It's definitely an exception though.
@@spaghetto9836 facts bro I forgot about those instances
'create new characters' I so agree, I mean look at encanto. It's successful because it's new, diverse and also reflect certain people but relatable across cultures..
'create new characters' I so agree, I mean look at encanto. It's successful because it's new, diverse and also reflect certain people but relatable across cultures..
'create new characters' I so agree, I mean look at encanto. It's successful because it's new, diverse and also reflect certain people but relatable across cultures..
"People pushing for more diversity in media has always seemed paradoxical to me. Companies that are willing and want to represent you will do so of their own volition. Companies that you have to pressure into representing you are NOT the ones you want representing you." This slaps SO hard. It's also funny how Disney was REALLY pushing the diversity of Kamala being Muslim everywhere when Moon Knight aired only 3 months prior and not a single marketing ad or post or anything made a big deal about him being Jewish, even though he is quite literally the FIRST openly Jewish superhero in the MCU. For Marvel, a company in an industry founded by Jews, it is shocking the extent to which Marvel movies hide their Jewish characters being Jewish or even whitewash them. Wanda Maximoff is Jewish in the comics, but in the MCU, some idiots had the bright idea of A) giving her backstory as working for HYDRA - which... yeah, a Jewish character working for Nazis is really WTF? - and B) placing a Christian cross in her bedroom in Captain America: Civil War. Because apparently if the characters are Jewish, it doesn't count as "diversity."
As an aspiring comic artist, who is also an Orthodox Jew, I have to agree. My dad said something once about daredevil, my favourite superhero, actually: "trust us Jews to finally make a religious superhero and make him catholic. There's nothing wrong with diversity. I love it. But a major issue in modern Jewish communities is this desire to just "fit in" with others. To pretend we're exactly the same as every other race or religion. But we are a proud, ancient and unique people, with a complex and nuanced belief system and a fascinating and long history. Not to mention, there are many, many Jews who aren't Ashkenazi (east European). I myself have Moroccan and Yemenite Jewish friends and family. It's simply the majority in America that are Ashkenazi, and therefore seen as "white". Ashkenazim have more shared genetics with our other Jewish brothers and sisters than with non-jewish Europeans. Maybe it's because of years of oppression and anti-Semitism that people seem so eager to downplay their Jewishness. Maybe it's the stigma against religion. But our culture is a rich and beautiful one, and people who willingly abandon it in favor of shallow, temporary, surface-level "acceptance" are truly missing out. It's just really sad.
Jews has been prosecuted for 3000 years already. They don't want anyone to notice them.
Also it's really annoying when people want established characters like james bond to be black or something. James Bond is his own character, he's a british agent who drinks alcohol shaken not stirred and says his name backwards. Why not create a new secret agent character instead of borrowing already established ones. Are we really that creatively deprived that we can't create something new?
@@BeaverChainsaw does race play a factor in James Bond character??? Because y’all say this as if James Bond needs to be white or else it’s a different character completely
Because there's a difference between Moon knight's characterization and Miss Marvel's character. Moonlight being a Jewish man is a big part of him and at times is a big part with in comics. But his character is basically revolving around the fact that he has DIDs. With one of those personalities dealing with a god. But for Kamala her culture, race, history, religion, and more is a big founding factors within her character. She's always stuck in the constant Flux of who she is who, she needs to be, what's she must be, and what people want her to become.
was a little skeptical coming into this video cuz while I do share these same thoughts with you, some people like to take the direction of OMG WOKE CULTURE 😭😭😭 GRAHH MINORITIES AND WOMEN 😡😡 and it pisses me off LOL. You articulated yourself very well, thank u for this :)
I know right
I don't think of Miles as a diversity character, I think that he turned out to be a quality character with a good storyline, unlike Riri Williams which was obviously pushed and had lazy writing just so there could be a new character that has "Black Representation". Overall I think Miles should have an exception here.
Finally, I find a comment from someone with common sense. And I completely agree with you on this.
Honestly saw the title and assumed this was just going to be rage bait but no. this is a nice, thoughtful video. Thanks Nasu
Rage is great for clickbait, but terrible for inciting any kinda productive discussion. Thanks for watching!
@@NasuPrime 👍🫡
@Damian Thomas Knight Wayne just like I’m only looking at ms marvel in her series, I’m only looking at miles in the media I mentioned. I don’t care what happened in the comics, neither do countless MCU viewers. It’s a franchise meant to stand on its own, so I view it in isolation. Miles skyrocketed in popularity after spiderverse. The 2020 insomniac game is unlikely to have been what it was without it (if it’d even get greenlit). Yes I’m aware that’s because his comic book portrayal was nothing special. But is your first thought after watching the film really “cool movie, but comic miles sucks so this movie sucks too and so will everything containing this character”. If not, then what’s the significance of bringing that up?
@@NasuPrime dude it's capitalism. They follow the money. & sinse the population is so diverse they want their plethora of characters to be to. That reflects reality. In reality people(kids specifically) want to see more characters that look like them. Yes look. 1st & foremost because people are simple & vane like that. Then talk & feel & experience. So that's what happened & these characters for the most part have been successful. Until someone does the math on all the new white characters vs the new minority characters & shows that minorities don't sell you're just plain & very simply wrong. & even with that said, the point is to cater to these ethnic groups more than to contend for best in world character.
@@Stax2High do you think it takes an expert to look at the “incredibly diverse” movie that is the eternals, see how hard it flopped and deem that simply throwing self insert tokens up on the screen isn’t exactly great diversity?
I was so scared you were gonna say miles morales was the wrong kind of representation and I was SO HAPPY when you pointed out how well they did instead!! They made him an actual unique CHARACTER and it made me love him so much more
Nah I love Miles. 😭 Thanks for actually watching the vid before commenting tho. Many don't
@@NasuPrime of course! It's so hard to convey a point in one sentence or the first few minutes - people gotta give you time to explain your reasons for your claims. The way you showed clips for each point was really engaging as well, nice video ❤️
"Black kid likes rap and basketball" IT'S LIKE THEY FILMED MY ENTIRE LIFE!!!
@@NasuPrime well they shouldn't have watched it sort of sucked, it just sounded like butt hurt complaining, diversity is needed EVERYWHERE not just in films or the workplace. And some people (obviously not you) like representation, so maybe it is not all about you and what you like. (and I found it funny that inkling is a character that has been "race" swapped, bro they don't have a inherent race)
@@NateNotNathaniel pretty sure he was just using the inkling palette swaps to have a visual component. Inklings/Octolings are player characters in a fictional world with fictional cultures so the variety in their skintones are more player choice, not nintendo marketing to minorities for the big bucks
This video makes so many good points. No one should want low effort pallet swaps of established characters, make new ones who can better represent them better. Don't make their race the only/main selling point, people want a character with substance, not a hollow shell of a character who's whole personality is "I'm x race/gender/sexuality" Show us the characters substance. don't do the movie equivalent of mansplaining, especially things like race/gender/sexuality. Companies are treating these characters and their diversity buzzwords that they can use to tag their shows for diversity clout.
5:48 made me smile because that Logic clip was so random😂👑 also, your comedic timing is on point
Even though Ms. Marvel is a really well written character in the comics and given a chance to shine, the show did not fully give her justice for the fact that her background as Muslim was the main focus rather than just a part of her overall character. The theme of her character has always been about finding self-identity and purpose in a world where there are those that she thinks are better than her. That alone is universal and could have enticed the majority of demographics.
with how comics are doing with these "well written characters" i think its obvious we need original characters or revives of old ones with better stories instead of making Muslim capt marvel and black spiderman.
Ms. Marvel isn't a well written character. Her story is so bad she had to be rebooted so many times. And that show is the latest example of bad she is.
There's nothing Muslim about her. Where's the conflict of her being an unorthodox Muslim woman when she tries to be a super hero with a strict patriarchal family
@@Rollbrand370 No she wasn't; her first series had to restart because of Secret Wars, the second Kamala Khan series picks up where the previous one left off. I think there was another series, but that had to do with a change of creative teams, which is just a normal part of comic books; Kamala did pretty well for comic book standards
@@MakiPcr wasn't she an inhuman at first, but then they decided to make her mutant, and now she has a magic bracelet? That doesn't sound like a well written character if they had to change her origin so much.
They just diversify because they want money, not because they care for minorities or other cultures. The series 'The Boys' showed this very accurately.
That’s all that’s to it. Whether then actually explore the diversity characters for their role and purpose with personality, they focus on what makes them a diversity character.
The boys "girls get it done" segment > endgame females randomly teaming up
This argument is asinine. Marvel Studios literally cast three white men named Chris to headline three different franchises before they did any diversification, and "made money" hand over fist. They could have continued doing that and continued to "make money." You cannot be serious, lol.
@@brandonjuno With Phase 4 and going forward that isn’t the case anymore. If you haven’t noticed it already, they’re already pushing for more “representation.”
@@themaestro9683 Yes, I have noticed that. That has nothing to do with what I said. Are you OK?
Terms like inclusivity or diversity are hilarious to me at this point… I’m a writer and when I write my characters, I don’t include any physical or ethnic traits in my characters so that they can be openly interpreted for anyone. Now.. if I want to give my characters to be written with a specific ethnicity or gender or whatever have you, those are just little things I think of when creating them, because I’m more focused on who these characters ARE not WHAT THEY ARE…
I get the idea but disagree because I feel like specificity helps writing feel more real and alive. Of course not just about ethnic background but in general choosing language that is more specific to the particular character and/or scenario seems like the way to go.
i feel like what we need is representation and diversity done right. we need new and original characters that have a balance of representing minorities, have their own identity and character outside of that minority(whats there to identify with in a copy and paste of another character?) while also not being too on the nose with it. we need to humanize characters like this instead of either lazily deify or demonize them because of who they are: we're all people in the end. i am not a poc or of a faith so i cant relate to those struggles, however i can speak for the other side of minorities that are often brought into these arguments(LGBT and neurodivergent) and as that i love shows like arcane and the owl house that are filled with representation and yet they still feel like human characters that have their own personality and identity aside from being in that group. representation can be done well and can bring in relatable yet unique characters for groups that cant identify much with other characters in media, or it can be used as a tool by corporations that dont truly care to bring in another audience/demographic while missing the point.
4:18 made me laugh so hard I spat out my mouth
The sudden base boost, tone shift and subversion of what’d been expected he’d say was just so good.
I came here expecting a rant, but your video was surprisingly insightful and well thought out. Glad I came across this channel. Keep on the good work.
Better to present a point and acknowledge counter arguments than just yell into a mic. Not tryna get people riled up, but have a discussion 👍
Whatever the movie I want my heroes to be heroes. Not humiliated and shown up by the latest insert characters. I want movies that cater to the dominant male audience. I don’t want WNBA movies.
Yeah Fr, really thought I somehow stumbled on some alt right fear mongering when I saw the thumbnail💀💀💀 clicked to watch the world burn and was pleasantly surprised.
@@NasuPrime Listen, why don't you draw attention to diverse shows that already do these things? Like the Cosby Show, Moesha, Fresh Prince etc. Insecure and Atlanta and Abbott Elementary do their own stories very well. Also, are you Xhosa? From South Africa? Eastern Cape, Johannesburg or Cape Town?
@@Piiiiiiiiit "alt right wing fear mongering" you've got to be kidding me...
That's seems like an underrated lesson: pressure doesn't help If someone seems under pressure, help them calm down. Don't pressure them more in the hopes that everything will go exactly as planned - because it won't; it'll go up in flames But with confidence, a cool head, and a dash of encouragment, the goal will be accomplished
As for why companies try to diversify (even when it’s awful), I’d recommend looking up something called an ESG score. It’s a social credit score system where investors will put more money into companies based on their diversity quotas rather than based on profit margin. This means that when Marvel adds diversity to their movies, they care more about investors than consumers. They genuinely couldn’t care less about the minorities they’re attempting to represent, which is why they typically just lazily race-swap.
man social justice stuff gets weirder every time i hear about it i swear.
God FINALLY my point is being made on a wide scale. Thank you so much for this! I’m Filipino, Spaniard, and Caucasian and I’m EXTREMELY annoyed by what Disney, Marvel, and DC’s version of diversity is. I’m not getting into it because you made every point I’ve been trying to get across for years. What sucks is it’s now worse than ever and all these comic companies think their doing is making everyone happy when all they’re doing is disrespecting what GOOD diversity looks like.
Joey Figueroa Uhm, being anti-black and trashing black representation isn't a new thing at all. I don't know if you've been under a rock but it's quiet common on youtube and has been for a while. Anyways if you want to trash some 'diverse' characters can you keep it to your own group? Just attack the filipino ones? Please and thank you
whats your opinion on what GOOD diversity is then? go on ahead and explain
Ironically, DC is the only one that actually usually takes it right. The Batwoman series is more of an unfortunate exception.
if you want more proof..... look at Black Panther..... The African culture has already said "thats USA perspective of us"....... this is how they view you, not wanting you to represent.
Spaniards are already Caucasian.
“Give us characters instead of caricatures” I’ll use these words like a mantra from now on…
Across the spider verse was an very good representation. Encanto was also really good. I can’t believe it’s 2023 and we’re still fighting for inclusivity. Arcane is also amazing
I agree
Miles has been around for a long time, but he wasn't a good character or a character people wanted to read about until Across the Spider-Verse came out. Fighting for JUST inclusivity is stupid and pointless.
This is so bang on! Look forward to see what you make in the future.
Thank you. I don't care what nationality, sexuality or gender a char has, as long as it's a well written char. It can even be interesting if done right and brought up in a logical way throughout the story. But it's just annoying when it's force pushed into your face like "look, it's a black, gay, nonbinary person whos personality is defined by exactly THAT!"
I prefer when a char is called a character.
The problem is that some of y’all can’t tell the difference between something pushed in your face and something just being apart of someone character. Regardless of if u care about a characters race, common sense would tell u that black man in anercia will deal with black problems in America right? Y’all can’t want every single character to be bland and generic in story with no real acknowledgement to their background. We have no issue when we get to see captain America fighting nazis and hydra in a political based propaganda laced series. But let it be a Pakistani character whose background is rooted in her culture and it’s referred to as forced woke trash. CAP LITERALLY CARRIES THE FLAG ON HIS BACK IN THENFORM OF A SHIELD. Why ain’t that criticized? Because he’s white amercian so there’s really no need to delve into his background outside of his political origins. U can’t do that same thing with Sam Wilson. Not everything has to be so Woke. I agree. But to act like it’s a cardinal sin to even acknowledge a characters social background or have any story relating to it is just ignorance. It’s not woke to want to see your story told. And the story is not automatically trash just because of it.
@@TheIcemanthomas true and agreed. Thats why i wrote that it can be interesting if done right because it (unfortunately) does matter often times in form of discrimination which should be adressed. But it's a different story to build the background of a character into a story or to just adress is over and over just to be woke and in the end it doesn't matter (i wasn't btw adressing ms marvel directly, didn't even watched the show, but the topic in general). I'm not even american and tbh, no offense, the american patriotismus is sometimes really annoying
@@TheIcemanthomas dude no one fucking cares about a character's skin colour or religion because that's not what defines a character falcon and the winter soldier was a woke garbage every 5 minutes they tell us how Sam is black no one fucking cares about his skin colour, his skin colour doesn't make him special I didn't come watch his show because he was black I came to watch his show because he was a well established character and now his ruined by making him just another tokenized black captain America.
@@TheIcemanthomas caps shield is a flag paint job during one of the most patriotic times in our countries history. Seems in line. He’s a soldier that fought nazis, not sure what needs to be criticized there. When I watched the movie I didn’t consider his skin color at all. Like when I watched blade I didn’t attribute anything he did to the color of his skin, because that would be racist.
6:56 I’m CRYING
This video has given me a whole new level of appreciation for certain stuff and depreciation for other stuff!
A common film technique I really love that is occasionally being forgotten is SHOW DON'T TELL. I might not Have the same cultural background as miles, but I still find him relatable. How? Family values, trouble fitting in in school, feeling the pressure of stepping up when it counts. Anyone can relate to that. The diversity isn't why I love Miles. I love Miles because he feels like a real person. That's the key.
Nick fury doesn't apply to the conversation the mcu version is based on the ultimate universe where he was always black and in fact marvel got into legal trouble for using Samuels L. Jackson's likeness without his permission but they got let off the hook with the promise that he would get to play the character in any media the character appeared in.
I remember in Craig of the Creek one of the main characters, Kelsey, had a crush on a girl who was talking in Spanish with another girl and that made her a little jealous. I think that's a great example of an aspect of diversity because it shows how cultural differences can add to the story. You could have had the character be jealous that two people were getting along better than her but it's stronger with the fact that she doesn't even understand what they're saying.
Yea they need to learn the difference between being “preachy” and “teaching lessons” in stories.
@@TheChosen1incplease do tell. What is the difference buddy? because saying racism is bad in any movie will get you called preachy and woke. So I'm starting to think that being preachy and woke aren't that bad at all. I bet I can take any 'this movie isn't woke see filmmakers need to do stuff like this in modern films' movies and carefully word it so you think it's preachy and woke. You know why? Because there isn't such thing. It's bad writing. See diversity in storytelling is important right? So check me out. Writing good characters with rich culture can be a thing but if the culture isn't white you dumb fucks will read it wrong.
As someone who’s looking to write a story with a diversified cast for the right reasons and not just mix things up for the sake of it, this video is amazing. It points out everything wrong with how media is doing diversity wrong, and it puts emphasis on how to do it the right way. Awesome video.
@13:05 Yeah Arcane! I loved how it had diversity without shoving it down your throat because its characters are just great well written characters!
As a Filipino citizen hearing tagalog from the funny grandma in spiderman no way home made me do the funny pogger face and say “omg tagalog poggers”
Poggers
Poggers
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My mom speaks tagalog, and (though i cant speak it) can confirm twas a poggers moment.
I laughed at that moment too, wasn’t expecting a Tagalog rant. But honestly both mom and I could tell she was kinda forcing it a bit.
When I think of inclusivity, the franchise that comes to mind is Fast and Furious. I know these movies get dogged out for just going completely bonkers movie after movie, but you can't deny that it has a positive message. The term 'family' is more deeper than we realize. It means no matter where you come from, what color you are or what your lifestyle is, we're family no matter what. A family that can drive a car off a plane and not get hurt.
F&F7, the plane sequel. In addition, the race across the railway, and the ride-off to the sunset. Both times, it was a supra and a charger, 2 different and notable category of underground car culture from 2 different country. There are no sense of shouting "this needs to be equal" or "white duds pointing and laughing at black duds", it's summed up "Losing by 1 second is still losing" and "You'll always be my brother".
I enjoyed Ms. Marvel even though I am not arab or Muslim. I just found so interesting how they portrayed her world and culture crashing with her powers, also Kamala's great granny was so cool. Ngl it's not the best work of Marvel but people were throwing crap at it for no reason at all. I think it's still enjoyable if you are a person who likes superheros and experiencing different stories and cultures. But I will give it to you: It's not for everyone indeed.
When I saw the summary, I thought the content was going to go in the total opposite direction. I'm all about conversations, so I watched anyway with the intent to make a comment that said everything you did. Great content, I'm a fan!
Another example of this is Everything Everywhere All at once. It is a great show with an Asian family at the core, while one of the characters is lesbian. But it doesn’t shove it down your throat at all. You never feel like the character are forced, or if they are checking box’s
Also Mitchell’s vs the Machines
Absolutely! And when she's tells her mom "you're still hung up on the fact I like girls in this universe" like it's such a silly and insignificant thing in the grand scheme of things. People are so obsessed with sexuality and gender, they make it their whole personality. When it doesn't even matter, who you are matters
You’re absolutely right. Except it’s a movie, not a show
That rainbow shit should be avoided at all costs, but that is a good movie.
it's interesting because you couldn't change the ethnicities of the characters without vastly changing their characters, but they're still characters beyond it. it's the best way to do diversity imo
I grew up in a time where being a hero meant doing the most heroic of things. Doing things that are considered honorable like fighting a big baddie who wants to destroy/takeover the world/galaxy. I don't consider merely existing to check a box for woke tokens to be very heroic and praiseworthy. Very well made video. Love your content.
BUT I WANNA BE A SUPERHERO!?!?!?!!
@@darrengordon-hill well you can't
As a Muslim I agree, instead of feeling proud I felt a little embarrassed when the critics were so bad. Even I didn't enjoy the show that much. Let's just hope if they do something with the charecter the make us feel proud. Also great videos love them.
I subscribed, after only two videos! Keep it up.
I know I'm 8 months late but holy shit this video was amzing. Love the fact that you actually admitted that getting represented feels great but when the film starts to get outloud about how it's representative, and in a sense ONLY about representation, it becomes a problem. I'm an Indian and while I hate what Hollywood's been doing with representation for the past couple of years, I do feel great when an actor from my country plays a character in an american film, like Irrfan Khan in Jurassic World, and yes, I do like him in that film because he's actually presented as a character and not as an Indian. Velma on the other hand though....... but yeah amazing video. Subscribed.
Things I like about this video: -The humor -Editing -What you're makes total sense (not for companies tho) -and the dmc5 outro song outside of the video, it's nice to see somebody who's actually from the community being represented and talking about it, how it feels from the inside, and shows how lazy they are just to put a check on the list and get money.
I'd like to see Arcane-lvele Writing but in Solarpunk instead of Cyberpunk. As 'Some More News' pointed out in their Popcorn-Movie: How we see the Future really has visibly changed. People now imagine the Future Grim and Movies represent that. I personally would love for a Group to be included into Inclusivity that no one speaks about: Socialists. I'd love Arcane but with Socialists and/or Solarpunk; an Exploration of a brighter Future.
Spiderverse and Coco are two of the best animated movies ever. Both characters exist within their cultures rather than being an unrealistic caricature.
Beautiful video bro. Your points are absolutely right
I'm of korean descent, born in Germany. I grew up in a time when Asia was just China and maybe Japan. Can't help but think that now with K-Pop and korean movies winning Oscars, it's a weird time to live in but I admit, it is kinda nice, though I don't want to put too much value into it either. Here's the thing though: Koreans just earned their way into the mainstream. They represent themselves and with success, there is no western diversity agenda going on here. Same with Japanese and Manga / Anime. I think that's how it should be done. Earn the love and respect and hearts of the audience, not whine and complain your way into them.
That works in your own country on your own land with your own media. Black Americans were taken from Africa while Africa was pillaged of its natural resources from outside nations. Setbacks on setbacks and legal racism only just ended a couple generations ago. Illegal racism still legit af. So we really aren't "complaining" for representation, more like calling people out WHO THEMSELVES CLAIMED to care about inclusion and diversity. Holding someone accountable to their words and calling them on bullshit has nothing to do with how THEY respond. It just so happens that the corporate America response is to virtue signal and try really hard to look like they care while doing the bare minimum. I'm a very small percentage Native American so I can't speak to that well, but I imagine its similar. Now that's not to say none of that is happening in black America. Modern white American culture can barely function without integrating Hip-hop and black CULTURE into everything, even the word woke was appropriated and is used (unironically) incorrectly half the time. They love the dances, the lingo, the music, the vibes. Hip-Hop and Afrobeats music is topping charts for the foreseeable future. The King of Pop, indisputably, was BLACK. We created Rock and Roll, Jazz and R&B. Black dances are THE dances, even watered down to TikTok thats obvious. But they don't want to actually SEE us and thats worth calling out. Even at the risk of sounding like a complaint. Everything I've said so far is money. It drives whole chunks of the entertainment economy. So we'd like TRUE representation if that'll be the case, and if they only want to capitalize on how we express ourselves without genuinely including and paying us our actual value, then they should be called out in public spaces so everyone knows how full if shit they are. Tl;dr It's not that simple for all groups in all places.
@@Kev1nL yes. Koreans have been pushing hallyu for long. It's not same for your people or mine.
That's cos of hallyu not diversity 😏. Hallyu is the push by your government. All countries like the one I'm from doesn't have that. I'm from India and our culture is not promoted but often highly demoted by opposing people on media even recently by racism. So we want true representation not something fake or just for Diversity. there's no way the earning your way in works that way. Not even for black people like the other person who replied here mentioned. *It's not simple for everyone everywhere bro.*
As a german, I can say that we do know and respect korean and japanese Media. In my town was recently a korean musician making a piano concert. And with the growing popularity of anime, japanese Culture is well known in Germany. In Düsseldorf, we even have a japanese Town, witch is under special protection from the government and is very important for the International Relationships between Germany and Japan. Even the Street Signs are in Japanese and German there.
Mental Maddness21 Koreans just took and repackaged a bunch of black culture and have mostly ridden off the wave and campaign of inclusion black people created. Of course you're not ackowledging that now but that's why there's any room for them in american media. Because there's a general tone set for having space for more non-white people which was not at all spear headed by asians. In fact plenty of asians seem perfectly comfortable trashing and attacking black representation but uplifting their own, which is funny cause they're exactly the same thing. They have the advantage of not being black and having a intricate and personal problem with white people historically.
"being represented and being well represented" such a great line that very well covers my feelings about all this. I felt insane when I finally saw black panther. I'd spent months banging out to the Kendrick soundtrack. it covered so many incredible themes and concepts that had me thinking holy shit, Black Panthers gonna cover some real shit. everyones saying it's amazing. omg I can't believe how good this gonna be. finally get to see it and I was like.... ok.... that stung. just ok was not what I was expecting. still cool for representation and all. but still just generic af hero shit wearing an African coat
Damn
What was so generic about it, in your opinion? Genuine question
@@charlestaylorco8713 generic probably isn't the right term tbh. Skin-deep? I guess? I think that's why killmonger is such a great villain, he addresses some strong themes but the film doesn't really do much to explore those themes. Also realising my comment makes it sound like I didn't like the film, but I did. Just that, that soundtrack, cooglar directing, I just expected the film to have a stronger bite. It's still great, but my expectations were pretty damn high for it
I mean, tbh there is no "well represented" there is just "more represented." That's why white dudes are the most "well represented." Not because Fight Club nailed it, but because there are enough movies about them (poor,rich, 🇺🇸 ,🇬🇧..etc) that we can take all those movies and have a nuanced view of them. Once there simply more Muslim led shows and movies, each show has less to do and doesn't have to carry the weight of the decades ONE Muslim protagonist.
@@HPWolfgang I felt similar, and I think it actually proves how good it was as a movie. I disliked Tchalla's character (not Chadwick, I loved him rip) because he's so privileged and his only conflict is daddy issues, which, after thinking about it, is the same reason I didn't like Thor. And I loved that, in a weird way. They knew who he was and were confident enough to make him regal, knowing that it may not appeal to everyone .
you NAILED this, thank you! hopefully hollywood listens
So glad that KZhead recommended this video. It was great! - a new subscriber
America Chavez could’ve been replaced with a dimension-swapping amulet and it would have had the same character depth
And that's the sad part. Disney propped her up to be the MCU's first openly lesbian character but gave her the depth of a bowl of water. What's also bad is how the only way you'd actually be able to tell that she's lesbian is from some measly pin on her jacket that barely anyone who watched MoM noticed. So much for representation.
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@@kbreezy1581 bruh her being lesbian was never supposed to be a focus of MoM. Maybe you had preconceived notions going on but as someone who doesn’t keep up like others do, what I saw on screen never made me feel like she was being propped up for anything. Dr. Strange and Wanda was the focus, there was no time for a relationship for her. I’d bet money you’ll see that in the next movie/show she’s in
@@blueversace4447 I never said it was the focus of MoM, nor did I claim that it was supposed to be.
@@kbreezy1581 You literally said “propped her up to be their first openly lesbian character but gave her the depth of a bowl of water.” To give her a lesbian relationship and/or more depth would require her to be more of a focus Also, I fully disagree that they “propped her up” as anything. How is that? One line about her parents and a pin? Marvel can do the least and it still becomes a big thing
As a "minority" I don't really care about diversity in the MCU because most of the time films try to be "inclusive" it gets so embarrassing for me. But I really enjoyed Ms. Marvel, half of my family is Muslim, so I honestly could relate and understand every struggle she has. And for Eternals, well I enjoyed Makkari the most, that's it.
Dude I watched Eternals and I don't even remember who that is
@@danielarputharaj9918 alright.
Agree
As an actual minority. I do care, you got like five black characters already in the mcu. I haven’t yet found a good Native American character. Speak for yourself.
@@malverysuh7786 why don’t you look for Native American characters outside of the mcu? I’m indigenous Mexican and I kinda understand how you feel. The thing is that you also can’t limit yourself by relating to and finding rep in characters that aren’t the same race as you. Nothing will ever resonate with someone completely, but if you look outside of the mcu then maybe you’ll find a good Native American character.
I rarely comments and I don't intend to this to be any higher seal of approval but it was one of the best video essay on the subject I've seen. Amazing work 🙌
There's a scene in the final episode of Moon Knight when Layla saves a girl and she asks her "are you an Egyptian superhero?" THEY'RE IN EGYPT! It was so cringe and I never truly realized how bad it was until I witnessed that. That's like Steve Rogers saving a kid in NY and they ask him "aRe YoU aN aMeRiCaN sUpErHeRo??" Lovely video.
Yup I cringed. I was like awe no really? Was it the egyptian wings and clothing. Nah I couldn't tell. I'm glad that lil girl pointed out. 😂lmao
I gotta say, I also loved Gwen and Penny. When I was younger I wanted to play super hero, but I didn’t like how (in little me words) “her outfit looked like a bikini”. I was so happy when Spiderverse came out, and gave me heros like me, who’s hero outfit weren’t sexualized at all. They’re just as unique, nuanced and useful in the story as the male characters, not just random love interests like many movies have. In other words, stan spiderverse
The rule of thumb for me is: Your story should work on itself, and inclusion should be wordbuilding, NOT the base of the story. Miles works because the story is good and the character is fun. Everything related to inclusion became world building, not the base. He is not "Black Spiderman", he is "Spiderman that happens to be black". The same goes for Black Panther. The basic story is not dependent of their race, but it is added as world building.
Umm, the Black Panther wouldn't work if it was race swapped. The whole story is centred around the characters being black africans. Not sure if you meant it from some other perspective...
@@ADthehawk This is world building, flavoring the story. Analysing the very base of the story, is about a moral conflict between two brothers: One that was created in the very best conditions, and didnt need to see the reality, and another who lived in the reality and watched people that he loved being killed while the more powerfull did nothing to help. This is the main conflict, and the proof that it could work in another scenario is that Wakanda isnt a real place, its created for this story arc. Change Wakanda for a alien planet and the base story still works. Heck, change for something with less scale, like a corporation, and the base story still works. One brother was trained to be the boss of the corporation once he grows up, and the other is a bastard, hidden from the family, that was created on the streets without money to buy food. He grows up, becames a business man and manages to became the boss of the corporation while sending his brother to poverty. I know that Killmonger base was that his race was treated badly while Wakanda did nothing, which wouldnt make sense if they were white... well, not in this scenario at least. But race swap the entire world, and the story still works because its not dependent on them being black, its dependent on the powerfull of one race ignoring the less powerfull of same race. As a white person i can understand Killmonger motivation. Now swap his motivation from: "The most powerfull should help their people" to "Black people should be at the top" and the story becomes unrelatable to anyone that isnt black (Or vice versa if you count that he loses). He transforms from being a relatable villian to Red Skull part 2. A good story will work independent of its flavouring. You do not build a story on the basis of: "This is a story for black people", you build on: "This is a story that has black people". Sorry for the long text, but its something that i wanted to say for too long.
@@PorthoGamesBR black ppl should be atthe top u niggas is literally killing the planet rn...
@@PorthoGamesBR White people don't like anything that acknowledges black people or race too much. Just say that. Also stop telling people how they should be represented. Kind of misses the point. And it's definitely more than "flavoring" with black panther 😁, it's the whole essence of the character. It's about being black and how black people exist in the world. It's not always an explicit focal point but when it tackles it it doesn't shy away. It's what many of the now 'acceptable' black characters white racists like to mention to pretend they're not racist did. Static shock did it consistently, cyborg did it in teen titans (had a 'blackcent', mannerisms etc), and so did Jon Stewart. It's never going to be ok for most white people because that just makes them uncomfortable or they're out right racists and most barely try to hide it. Any acknowledgment of the racism they participate in is too much, and if it's not done the best then they just feel like that's all the excuse they need to trash it (even though most of the time they're not the main audience )
@@ADthehawk That's more because of the region it takes place in
That was a great transition to start talking about miles!
When I’m making characters for a story, I think of Personality + Character, then design, then diversity. It helps by having simple little things that are part of said race/culture be sparsely integrated in their design. Super cool vid btw
For your Ms. Marvel chart, you should also add a "do you have ADHD?" part. I'm a white man, but Kamala Khan has been one of my favorite characters since I started reading her comics in 2015. I never knew why I identified with a character so different from me so much. Last year I was diagnosed with ADHD and so much started to make sense, and when I was watching the first episode of Ms. Marvel, before I was even halfway through, it all made sense; she is a character that definitely has ADHD. On top of that, it is one of the best representations of ADHD I've seen, though it's not without its flaws. This also lends to your argument as they never say she has ADHD, but they show it very well. If you'd like to know more, I'd love to talk about it.
Yesss! showing and not telling rly goes a long way and makes the intended audience appreciate it more
I hadn’t even realised this until I read your comment. Thank you, I am in the exact same boat as u, got diagnosed 2 yrs ago. Ty, well written comment.
Well that actually sounds like clever representation then. People are much smarter than the writers give credit for. Or at least characters are always as smart as people and sometimes writers forget. I'm glad to hear Kamala represents something rather well.
I have ADD and it was a joke show
Hopefully they will in future, Kamala isn't gone from the MCU just yet 🙏🙏but I loved the show and the portrayal, I honestly never read a Kamala Kahn Ms Marvel comic before but started after finishing the series
"You know Amy drawing attention to the fact that a character is "diverse" ultimately undermines the intention by portraying the character as an exception and not the status quo" -knuckles maybe
thanks knuckles, very cool
haha, knew this sounded familiar
True.
Awesome video man 👌
Wow, great video man!
My only problem with black panther is how different Tchalla was from Civil War. I know he grew but the seriousness was lost
I agree, it was a good movie but Civil War Black Panther seemed much more into character than he was during the solo movie. Even the old suit was way better in my opinion.
Just remember that if it's unnatural for a synopsis to start with "a white man..." then it's just as unnatural to write "a black man..." or "a gay transgender flamingo helicopter hispanic woman...". Your ethnicity or race is not relevant unless the story requires it to be relevant, like Ellis Boyd in the Shawshank Redemption or Oskar Shindler in Schindler's List.
I will now identify as flamingo helicopter, thank you for opening my eyes
Thats the thing. Remove that element and can the story continue find without it? If yes, then its unrelevant and forced. Only include it if its critical and if the story completely fails without that element.
I think its mostly just to know what the character look like
@@vonelgamer3071 You can see that with your own eyes.
@@pengy44 It's one of the BIGGEST problems with well written trans characters. A Trans woman in a normal story shouldn't really be different from any other woman, unless we are actually filming them naked. If we're writing "poor transitioned" trans characters it's a different story, but I can tell you right now that most trans people don't really want to hear that story.
Beautiful. Plus a Mob Psycho icon? Liked, subbed, commented, and looking to explore what else you have
Wow actual nuance and thought put into the videos, ez sub!
Regarding the eternals and their diversity, my head cannon is that the diversity is there so that the eternals can be seen as kin to more groups on earth. If they are to be running around the ancient world, it does actually make sense that they have a different face of the group depending on the culture they are a part of. If they had actually done this in the movie, or explained it at all, this could have made it more than just a diversity checkbox. This being said, I have no idea why celestials would make a deaf eternal, and even if she is one of the most likeable actors in the film, it doesn't really make sense narratively for her to be there. if they wanted a deaf superhero, they should have done something like daredevil does, where his blindness is an integral part of his character, and makes sense in his origin, instead of just doing it for representation. the only head cannon reason I've been able to come up with for the deafness is that maybe there is some variance involved in the creation of the eternals, and defects can happen. again, if this ever gets explained in universe, then it can be a good story point, rather than just a random factoid about the characters. Same with one of them being gay, since considering the way ancient cultures were, you would expect being gay to be in direct conflict with their mission, but if it was due to some variance in the creation process, then it would make sense.
Ancient Greece wasn’t as hostile to the idea of homosexuality as other ancient cultures were. Plato and Xenophon disagreed on the question of if Patroclus and Achilles were homosexual with Plato arguing that they were and Xenophon arguing that they weren’t. That said, you’re basically right in your assessment.
I dont think this is explained anywhere, but they did not write the deafness as an impediment. On the contrary, she could feel then read vibrations. If you noticed, she could understand what everyone said without having to read lips. Signing was just used as another language the multi-lingual entities possessed.
@@cmike123 it still is an impediment because fighting isn't their only purpose, guiding humanity is half of it, if she can't talk that makes it harder
@@nayber2352 She isnt mute. She's deaf. You are assuming her speaking voice is unintelligible or people could not understand her in other ways. It's a fair assumption, but still fallacy. It's been a while since I have seen the movie, but I'm sure she seemed to communicate to trade just fine.
The problem with Daredevil is that he doesn't really represent blind people, at all, he's a blind person that has super powers to compensate. That'd be like having a black person turn white as a super power so he can get avoid discrimination. Of course not a whole lot of blind people read comics or watch super hero movies anyway.
gosh you put my feelings into words with the "give us characters instead of caricatures. Minorities shouldn't be shoe horned into something and then call it a day. They deserve to be well written and thought about without having white people as a base. I love Miles because he was his own character and he didn't need Peter Parker to be his own person. He didn't need a white guy's already written character to be great. He was well written and was fantastic. I wish they would do this for all minorities.
yeah but the problem is that people will get angry at ORIGINAL characters that are people of color anyway so there really is no winning. take kamala for instance. she got so much hate even though shes a good ORIGINAL MUSLIM CHARACTER. my problem is that when they change the race of characters, ppl have such a huge problen with it fighting back with blatant racism. if that characters race didn't matter in the story, it shouldnt matter what color they are in a different adaptation. people don't like seeing diverse characters on screen at all, so they say things like "forced diversity"
@@stranguhh2878 most people love original characters that’s why black panther made a billion dollars. Just because there are some people who get mad doesn’t mean anything cuz numbers don’t lie. Those people can kick rocks. As long as the movies good that’s all that matters.
@@farihahassan3441 black panther is literally ONE of very little examples..
Theres a huge deference between a diverity hire and a hire that just happened to be diverse
10:40 Tf did you just make me watch?
notice how all of the internet racists that "attacked" characters that hade their race swapped suddenly just happened to not care about Miles Morales? It's almost like people just want good characters in fiction, and aren't actually racist.....
I understand the sentiment, but that’s just not true. People resented miles when he debuted in comics and non comics fans who didn’t know he was a real comic character were also mad about the movie.
@@mitanshmadan8704 Thats because there is a bunch of comics that just use him as a vehicle to do a lazy race swap. Like the Thor one.
@@patigelstarberry4302 nice pfp
Thing is miles isn’t a swap, more so of a variant turned regular character that co exists with the original spiderman, he’s been around for years longer than most of the new avengers, people complain when it’s an actual swap and they mainly complain about the race so yes it comes off as racist
@@mitanshmadan8704 he debuted like 20 years ago, the world has changed a bit bro
I feel like generator rex did a pretty decent job of representation for the latino community, good show and worth a watch
Might have to go back and rewatch it only saw the first few episode years ago
Generator Rex is great 👍
Gotta rewatch that fr
I wish he spoke more Spanish and showed a little more of his character tho. But still a great show!
Show was better then Ben 10 which was boring imo.
Thumbs up for showing the static shock as a great example for the subject.
Thank you for this commentary. Since this sudden trend of DEI had began a few years ago, I’ve d share with my peer that all is not what it seems. Entertainment corporations “black-wash” and tokenize other ethnicities and groups for profit, nothing more. It’s good to know there are others that share the same sentiment.