She-Hulk Is Absolutely Trash From Marvel (SORRY)
Alright lads, I just had to burst out at some point and today is the day! #SheHulk was 4 hours of misery and torment for me. I still can't believe it's a show produced by the same studio that has given me reasons to celebrate so many times. It's the same studio that gave us Captain America: Winter Soldier, Civil War, Avengers: Infinity War and Endgame! But unlike other unsatisfied viewers, I have provided points and reasons how they could have changed and improved the whole show. Please watch the complete video before you make up your mind seeing the title. The title of this video will be justified if you watch it at full length.
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I know the title is harsh, I know the content is negative too. But I feel if we don't say what's wrong with the current Phase 4, we may never see an improvement. In this video you won't just find me complaining, I have tried my best to provide answers as to how this should could have been written so much better. Lemme know if you agree with the 5 points I mentioned.
Marvel has just been getting worse and worse as time moves on
It's okay bro... it's the truth
We agree
Hi
True
"Don't just write strong female characters, write strong characters that are female" what a perfect way to summarize
He literally couldn't have said that any better
She’s not even a strong character, in any sense. She’s self indulgent, silly, confused, lacking in self esteem, and not a very good lawyer. What everyone remembers about her. Twerk. It’s not complicated - the writing just sucked.
Yea but Marvel will never get that because they are committed to shoving woke politics in your face so all of their shows will be trash.
That was GOLD
Truth
"Don't write strong female characters, write strong characters that are female" - Canadian Lad (2023)
We've been telling you that since the times of TLJ, and were called sexist for it....
@@baseddugalle1838 TLJ?
Well, its not his quote bro :D
@@iemaj The Last Jedi. ughhh even typing out the name in full hurts...
@@mikanmaruyo oh.... i hope this year i catch up on star wars.....
She honestly thought getting cat-called is worse than the things Bruce went through
Yet she got no hits on dating apps
@@dominiquejones3805 Yeah kinda contradictory. Not in intentionally way
@@herdiansyah9982 I think they went the wrong way with She-Hulk
She's a woman.
Yeah is a disrespect towards Hulk i feel like with She-hulk. Why does Marvel have to be all that supid polical nonsence. Why can’t they just be the good old hero movie company. I miss Phase 3 and earlier… i hope they never make something like this again!!!
She-Hulk came across as if all of the writers were still angry at their ex-boyfriends.
Don't be ridiculous, they've never had boyfriend. They single till death
You mean one night stands and getting ghosted after that. 🤣🤣
Not if you actually bothered to watch it, it didn’t. This comment is the definition of sexism, btw.
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@@RM-cn8pw Sexism doesn't mean what you think it means.
“When the story is great, studio takes the credit, but when it’s not, it’s the audience fault” I could feel it.
@@rogueguardian they never listen lol
EXACTLY. I hate when that happens... we fans spend a ton of money on Disney+, cinema ticets and toys that are overpriced. And in the end we are the ones paying for those shows, so we're allowed to give them an opinion into what they did wrong and how to improve their content that we fans ARE PAYING FOR. Marvel is even good comparing to what Disney did to Star Wars with the Sequel trilogy.
@@sarov7658 yup
@@Fulcrum1313 100%
Disney Star Wars all over again.
"The solution is not treating men badly. The solution is treating women equally." Well said, you just exposed like 3/4 of Hollywood movies today
How were men treated badly in this show?
@@nectarphobia8052 bruh men are always treated badly but no one ever gives a care, they just care about a woman getting her feelings hurt.
@@somebody9310 how were men treated badly in this show?
If you felt like men were treated badly in this show I'm sorry for you. I never felt targeted or treated badly once.
@@somebody9310 Lol.
“Why do studios take credit when the audience loves a show but blames the audience when they hate it” That’s a damn good question
Silent Majority
The reason that catcalling scene caused outrage was simply because of her own contradiction. She complains how incompetent men try explaining her area of expertise to her, which angers her, while simultaneously being inexperienced with the entire hulk think ,and explaining the OG hulk his area of experience
It's like telling a biologist that they know nothing about animals
Not to mention saying she is better at controlling her anger, while BEING ANGRY
Don't be sorry, everyone agrees
Definitely
Yup 😁
Everyone with sense
I agree with this 3000
Can't say everyone agrees if not everyone agrees lol he doesn't have to apologize because it's an opinion
“A good novel tells us the truth about its hero; but a bad novel tells us the truth about its author.” GK Chesterton
"you ask what black widow stands for you get an answer from the audience, you ask what Steve Rogers stands for you also get an answer from the audience".. Man this is so accurate
This guy is spitting facts all over! The way to fight sexism isn't by only empowering women, but by treating each other equally: giving women the same chance as men, but also not being sexist towards men. The problem with movies right now comes from people shoving feminism down our throats instead of EQUAL treatment. I love the final point, Don't create strong female characters, create strong characters that are female. Black Widow, Pepper Potts, and Okoye, are all excellent examples.
The worst part about her flashback monologue was we did see her get catcalled earlier and she literally hulked out and was about to attack before Bruce tackled her. So contradiction of her character off the bat, she doesn’t know how to control herself
It was all supposed to make a good character arc But they messed it up too
She said she knows how to control her anger but in that situation it wasn’t anger it was just fear and you can’t control fear like that
@@rileymartin2202 it was anger bruce didnt turn to hulk bcoz of fear, if that the case then he would transform to hulk everyday bcoz he always scared of hulk hinself
Oh wow a character narrating their own story and its not true, that couldn't happen in movies or TV shows, thats so strange! I've never heard of that! (lol, unreliable narrator)
@@gamerarts8455 You should have watched the show where Hulk explains the difference between them and why she is a different type of Hulk. Has nothing to do with gender. Has to do with the mind and the process of becoming a hulk. So many people acting like this fucking comedy wasn't an oscar winning drama so it was horrible lol. It was a fucking show with a badguy who lept like a frog. It had a scene where Daredevil does the walk of shame. Jesus christ lol.
"Don't' just write strong female characters, write strong characters that are female." What a line.
If you can swap the gender of a character without changing their strengths or personality, you know you have a good character, in the modern day at least.
@@spicynugget375 not necessarily
@@Correct-correctself obviously won't work in every case
Expect Black Widow, Gamora, Mantis and Jane foster everyone else are trash in M-She-U
@@BizzramMgr I agree except I would replace Jane Foster with Wanda
She-hulk twerking is not even a good joke. That alone is enough not to watch that shyt for me
If I have to see that twerking scene one more time I will break something
I dropped the show when I saw that scene. Literally made me cringe so bad I dropped the show
The trauma Canadian lad felt while rewatching this show is visible in every line of dialogue. And I couldn't agree more with your points.
You mean Monologue
You can hear it from his tone in this video.. It's a little bit higher.. Or is it just me?
Trauma??
Its funny you talk about trauma and how it’s so evident but everyone else is mad about how Jenn reacted to her trauma when questioned about it 👏 this show wasn’t for soft ass men and these comments are evident
@@NELLYB don't know if you are being sarcastic, but it was obviously joke
1:20 it ruins your sympathy for her because she is being so inconsiderate of the man she is talking to. Having governments chase after you while kidnapping your girlfriend, later feeling suicidal with no path out. He’s been through a lot of shit and she is being so dismissive of him without knowing anything about him.
"Don't just write strong female characters, write strong characters that are female" Someday, this line is going to be in some holy grail of filmmaking, and we who were here to witness the telling of this story shall beam with pride and happiness.
I feel bad for Canadian Lad for having to watch this show more than once..
I don't understand his obsession with the twerking scene, about 15 times in the video, kinda sus
@@FlavaxLP that part got me fucked up
@@FlavaxLP that part gives me hibbi jibbis
and in .25 speed
@@FlavaxLP why are you counting them?
You know it’s bad when Canadian lad cannot pretend it’s good anymore 😢 he’s usually so optimistic and excited but she hulk broke him 💔🥺
Just because She-Hulk wasn't his cup of tea, doesn't mean he's no longer excited with the MCU lmaoooo relax bruh 😆😆😆
@@michaelrobosa146 dude what's the name of the girl with soccerer supreme...
@@pranay8_ with Doctor Strange in the post credits of MoM? Clea.
@@michaelrobosa146 in she hulk
@@pranay8_ ohhhh. her name is Madisynn
You know it's always right when The Canadian Lad points out mistakes in Marvel...I myself profusely agree with all the 5 points mentioned, and thank you for doing so The number of twerks shown though LMAO💀💀
Bro fr. How many times he gonna show us them shaking ass???... it's even pissing me off lmao
If someone dislikes you bashing the shortfalls of a show with this amount of context and explanation, they truly see no logic and just "feel" they are being personally offended by you saying something they do not agree with.
She says "i can control my anger" aggressively while getting Angry - CALMLY lmao wtf is that.
Let's not forget she almost killed people because she got catcalled but she knows how to control her anger
@@joecollas9942 exactly right lol. Man this character is written TRASH!.
Y’all hate the caracter, NOT Marvel studios…
@@abdulhamiddiop9264 there talking about character 🤨
I believe that was somekind of a joke but unfanny one
"Don't write strong female characters, Write strong characters that are Female" ----- Canadian Lad ❤️
Two hyphens would have sufficed
So true
Have to agree with Canadian Lad on this. He's got a point.
It was J J Abrams that said it
100% agreed with you lads
From this video, I understood how much better the She Hulk series could have been. Thank you Canadian Lad
How much better MCU wouldve been but sadly they don't prioritise entertainment
You're so right about Imitation Game. Back then I was not as open minded as I am now and while just watching a single movie didn't change me instantly it did play a part in it.
There's one dialogue from bruce all the way back in avengers 1 that resonates with me when the scene of her saying she suffered more than bruce "In case you needed to kill me, but you can't. I know, I tried. I got low, I didn't see an end so I put a bullet in my mouth and the other guy spit it out"
that dialogue was wayyy ahead of its time, 2012 audience wasnt ready for that
I also picture that fight between Ironman in the Hulk Buster in Age of Ultron.
That was supposed to be a post credit scene but it got deleted. If you played the The Incredible Hulk 2008 game you'll also find the same scene there.
by saying that jenifer have been trough a lot is like taking all of bruce suffering for almost HIS entire life and spit it out on his face
She equates controlling anger in situations like being annoyed or unintentionally insulted, with Bruce's experiences of say...being hunted, assaulted, or gassed... where the body is literally fighting for survival.
Yes, Bruce's life was literally a tragedy
dont like the show but I don't think this is a fair criticism, Jen's point whilst hypocrital was that she had been assualted definitely verbally and physically was at the v least threatened and she felt like she was hunted at work for being a woman nd when drunk nd vulnerable etc etc, she felt like she had to fight to survive cos she was a woman, whilst undeniably Bruce's life is v difficult she's saying he never had to struggle merely because of his gender and he only had to learn how to control his anger after the incident but she always did
Bruce also made the point that her now being a hulk meant she had to ALWAYS control herself. She has so much more power now that as Jen she could have absolutely flipped out on those cat callers and maybe killed one, but as a hulk the damage she could casually do was exponentially greater. And that's just 'mad', not 'mindlessly enraged'. It was a thing she didn't really understand until the award ceremony.
@@amyadegbamiye7307 I understand what you're saying but she still belittled what he went through. I'd rather get catcalled over being hunted and having the entire WORLD hate you.
@@amyadegbamiye7307 Jen is talking about being annoyed, or threatened, or scared. Bruce is literally thrown into a flight or fight response, without the option of flight. What she experiences is not the same thing that Bruce is worried about and deals with. It's like comparing a full-blown panic attack to being the target of a jump-scare or practical joke.
One thing I hated about the series was that the revealed villain got tossed out because she pulled a "Deadpool 4th wall break re-write" - After the episode finished, I was like... "That's it..?"
My standing ovations to you. You summarized pretty much all of my thoughts when I finished the show. Not saying it is outright "bad", it had its fun moments. But it could be so much more, easily giving Deadpool a strong competition. Maybe in future we could still see that.
The fact that Canadian Lad, one of the chillest KZheadrs I know, becomes vocal about something, you know a bottom line has been hit
True, when I saw him criticizing marvel, I knew marvel hit a new rock bottom
exactly
Needs a Part 2 to this: Skaar, *their 4th wallbreaking* vs John Byrne’s style, Jenifer Holding everyone responsible for their actions except hers, having a terrible best friend, the rival’s motivations changing and so much more...
You know what the funny thing is that the disingenuous apology scene is not only is it unearned, but it directly contradicts what Jen said about controlling her anger/her life being harder. I mean, if her life was so difficult, then why would she make out that she couldn't handle the trauma that Bruce faced? It takes a real lack of continuity in your episodes for a scene to both ruin a potential payoff and contradict what is intended to be an important thematic point in a story.
When Jen told Bruce that she didn't have anger issues, I thought that it was part of her development. By the end of the show, she would accept that she actually has anger issues, and learn that accepting that isn't a weakness, but a strength. But that didn't happen, even when the final episode had the perfect chance to do that, after Jen's violent reaction when Todd revealed all those videos. We respect your opinion The Canadian Lad everyone can voice their opinion here or there
Same here. I defended the show after episode 1 thinking that would happen. “It’s just showing off her arrogance guys, don’t hate on her yet! It’s gotta be part of her character arc!” Ugh.
@@rynnmedia yeah it took a toll on us for sure
Because everyone gets angry, she acted out and got in trouble but she CAN control her anger because women control their anger every single day. My GF loved She-Hulk because it showed a bit of what women have to deal with on the daily. but a lass some people cant put themselves in others shoes.
Can't really blame you. It was the only way they could save the direction they were going. I lost faith that was going to happen with how consistent they were to present moments for her worldview to be challenged only to not change. Like when all those guys she dated testified for her. Perfect opportunity for her to realize how she objectified them and dismissed them as actual people, only for it to get twisted as them still thinking they're too good for a superhero. Jen is allowed to have preferences and standards but not men.
@@ShamefulToaster I’m a woman who has gone through some shitty events myself, and given the mocking “comedic” tone throughout still made it hard to take it seriously. And even though I’ve been a victim in plenty of cases, I’m still a flawed individual with my own issues I’m growing from. She-Hulk struggled to present her as anything but a victim or a hero… whenever she acted out, there’s always some justification for it. Until the ending, she went about the whole show with no issues controlling her anger because somehow there’s a trauma competition between her and Bruce. Basically, this whole show was really hard to get into. I thought the finale was going to finale give the character arc she desperately needed (a little late but still), but it turned into another big joke. I lost every hope I had with the show then.
Does anybody else find it kind of absurd that in the finale the writers put an entire sequence where they blatantly admit how absolutely shit their approach to the show was and certain “fans” proceeded to defend the show’s writing like they didn’t just literally admit to wasting an entire season on what they knew was bad?
It's the same in interviews. They admitted they knew how people would react and struck first instead of writing a good show to prove people wrong. Ironically, they did prove people wrong since most were expecting a good show and were excited until the misandry. Even the disjointed episodes and inconsistent character is because Jessica Gao had a writers meeting to talk about all the negative experiences as women in the workplace. And they put that into the show as catharsis for themselves.
@@bryanwoods3373 so she hulk was the self insert of 20 women, who believed only men would hate the show… huh
She Hulk seemed to go too meta. As much as I love that aspect from.tbe original She Hulk comics, this rendition of meta writing is overdone, and just demeaning for people who actually put effort to make a show. It just seemed that the show was making too much fun of itself, and not respecting the fans and the source material
@@mikez4388 that’s like the entire point of she hulk comics !LOL
@@fahimalfaisal7781 Yeah, but in my opinion, it felt too in-it's-face
Great points! Whenever Bruce explains what to do and what not to we can imagine him being in that place already because we have seen him go through a lot! The same thing does not apply to Jen because literally she never appeared ever before so we can't connect with her emotionally! The first episode should have been dedicated to her so we could have got to know her better and then build up the She-Hulk character so we can feel that she really needed to become She Hulk because no one liked Jennifer Walters!
I literally could not connect with Jen nor She-Hulk All the time it felt like I'm watching a Narcissist, Egoist, Overpowered woman without feelings!
No need to feel sorry. When we first heard that she-Hulk was being made, we thought we'd get an adaption true to the character; funny, flirtatious, a hero you'd enjoy being around. Then we saw the first trailer and knew any and all hopes of that happening was screwed.
In the first few episodes, I thought they were setting up Jen's flaws that she would work to overcome. But a few more episodes in, and I realized that they were actually saying those character traits were GOOD.
really... when??? i thought she wasn't interested in becoming a superhero and that her lawyer life was thrown upside down. she couldn't get a date too. i think her perfectly fine adjusting to her new life at the was supposed to be an arc. maybe I am mistaken
Yea indeed I thought the same thing, But after episode three and the writers started running their mouths, I didn't want to waste time anymore
I think when it comes to Jen not caring about her Hulk persona I think it boils down to not wanting to be a superhero. Bruce stuck with the name as his superhero name. She's not choosing to be a 'Hulk'; a superhero. She was actually willing to train with Bruce to control her rage and control her transformations. She initially wasn't thrilled with having a Hulk form at all, but has learned to live with it. But Bruce then suggests that her life will change forever and has to give up being a lawyer. Jen suggests that she can have her normal life despite being a Hulk, but Bruce suggests that because of their powers that's impossible. It's not that she doesn't care for being a Hulk AT ALL. That's how she started, but she learns to live with it by the end of the first episode. What she doesn't care for is being a superhero or having some fancy superhero name like She-Hulk. She wants, despite her new powers to have a "normal" life being a lawyer. But later on, despite not caring for/liking the name, she accepts that whether or not she likes it, she's forever known as She-Hulk and goes with it. Also when it comes to Dan, I think that take on the twerking scene was iffy. But I do think he has some balanced takes on the show. He's not responding to EVERYONE who doesn't like the show, but simply those who have disingenuous takes, like most of the men are vilified, and he says how most of the men were actually supportive and good. That the majority of vilified men are the villains themselves. Dan addresses the people who complain about comic accuracy, and Dan, someone who's written She-Hulk comics before moving on to Spider-Man says how it's the most comic accurate show on Disney+. It's not defending the show, he's just arguing against the people who had that criticism. He even got replies from people saying they just simply like it and stopped watching and he responded saying how that's a perfectly reasonable take. But other than that, I think your points are well taken. The show definitely has its problems, but I still enjoy it and I like your takes on it. I've seen many people talk about it in ways that weren't as reasonable as you or even Dan, and this video was overall, pretty good, even if I disagree with some points.
HOLY COW! Great video man. I love how you didn’t bash people, you bashed the writing. I also think She Hulk could have been better and I had such high hopes for it. Keep working!
You can tell Canadian Lad hated the twerk scene by the number of times he used it😂😂😂 That was the moment I stopped taking She Hulk seriously 😂😂😂😂
That was the moment i stopped watching it. Still haven't watched it
You took that long? Shame on you
i mean, the series was never meant to be taken seriously
This is a hilarious comment. "Thats when I stopped taking the absolutely absurd show that in no way whatsoever presents itself as serious, seriously"
Same actually, I was like, I was like: if this is the way it’s gonna be, there’s no reason for me to watch
I really liked your analogy of first and second child😂😂 and I completely agree with it. Just to attract a certain set of female audience Marvel made the stupid decision of abandoning their loyal fanbase who like MCU movies for their story more than anything.
If they were trying to make Jen a narcissist, they succeeded with flying colors.
I have a feeling that Disney had too much of a hand in hiring the writers for the show. A recent statement by Feigie was that they were focusing on quantity and not quality of writing and perhaps trying to satisfy certain demographics that like to use post modern ideas of deconstructionism into inherently creative workflows
*Thank You* for being honest about your opinions and not shying away from giving criticisms.
So fucking brave, What a fucking hero to the world. (That was sarcasm, obviously.)
Oh yes so brave of him shitting on a show that gets shit on from 90% of the internet, nice nice...
Another good example is Layla from moonknight .. her arc was also well written and her becoming the Scarlet Scarab was loved by all
Not really, she was became hero fast automatic because mark was in danger and also the egyptian god has no choice, Cuz powerful women i guess
Agreed
Scarlet Scarab? Is that Marvel's Blue Beetle? I haven't watched Moon Knight yet
@@neonicon8500 nope. Far from it.
Agree
A very accurate, concise and engaging video as always. Great job! Your argument didn’t seem harsh when presented in the video and you leave the audience with a good idea at the end.
Subscribed after watching this awesome video explaining the faults of the show. Loved the way you explained the correct way to write female superheroes! Keep doing more of this please.
In the first clip you show Jen literally contradicts herself by losing her temper WHILST saying that she can control it better than Bruce.
and for being a lawyer, she's actually pretty dumb
She loses it before that too. In the scene where that group of men approach her, she starts walking away, they follow, and she Hulks out. Wasn't the entire point of her rant that she has to control her anger in those exact situations or she'll die?
@@MandatoryFruit It's almost as if you and every other person who complains about this missed the entire point. LMAO
@@ryanBLACKMUSIC95 Enlighten me
@@MandatoryFruitthats a joke i believe
This was not venting out frustration nor was it showing blatant anger. It was pure constructive criticism, a way for one to improve on their craft. Great work as always. Canadians are so polite, even their insults helps one improve.
I agree
Except much of the criticism wasn't rooted in content and dialogue that was actually in the show. The best example: Walters was never told what the division was when she was offered the job, and when she was told, her issue was that her colleagues would think the only reason she got the job was because she was a Hulk (rather than being qualified for the job). She didn't actually have an issue with the head of the Superhuman department. Her issue was spelled out to the audience and Canadian Lad reinterpreted it as an issue with the job itself. The comparison to Parker/Stark was also completely inaccurate and a rewrite of the dialogue in Civil War; Parker clearly said "I didn't apply to your fund" before Stark told him he was there to bring him on as Spiderman- there was no indication he made the connection.
@@paulo3011 The worst problem I had with the show was dimming down male characters so that she hulk would be better, there were so many better ways of doing this, like even captain marvel in the avengers movie didn’t have to much of a problem with this, I mouth rather see a series with the power balance of the hunger games movie, the underdog vibe was such a miss in the show
Much rather *
Wanda vison is also a great exemple of a series that doesn’t have this problem
"Don't just write strong female characters, write strong characters that are female." Well said.
“Why is it that Studios take credit when the audience loves something but when they don't it's always the audience fault.” - The Canadian Lad “Don't just write strong female characters write strong characters that are female.” - The Canadian Lad
Massive respect for saying whats right. You know that a show is bad when the canadian lad says so.
Shocked when i saw this on my timeline
Nah...this list is just right wing talking points from 4chan or some /r. The show had it's ups and downs. None of his talking points were brought up in his No Way Home or Hawkeye reviews. Yet somehow they keep coming up in Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, etc? There was conflicting story lines, character traits in most Marvel movies. But it's "trash" when it's the female lead ones. I've watched most of CL's videos and it's the same as right wing, jro fanboy bs lately.
@@b1oh1 No she hulk is just a bizzare dumb character that literally took away she hulks cool features in the comics
@@cxntrol_777 He's the MCU's strongest soldier right now.
@@b1oh1 Hawkeye isn’t too great either. But it’s decent. No way home is fantastic. She hulk doesn’t have to be perfect. It just has to make any sense at all.
The fact that I already knew she hulk from my childhood animated shows and was so excited to see her in live action , she was definitely above ghost rider for me but know I hope this show didn't even existed
Can you make more videos like these to point out mistakes and improvisations in Marvel films? I wanna be a filmmaker, and I find your content very useful to understand the ways of film stories.
Bruh I get goosebumps listening to your so good criticism. Beautifully made and truly said, you really don't have to be sorry!
Much respect for being real and not being afraid to speak the truth. Many of us agree for many of the reasons given. Don’t apologize.
So fucking brave, What a fucking hero to the world. (That was sarcasm, obviously.)
How often do you want to Put the Twerk Scene in? Canadian Lad: Yes
I... I...
Kevin Feige and the Disney execs should see this video. There should be a way to @ them. Perfect description of how we, the audience, feel. Well done!
I think Cheetah in Wonder Woman 2 is a good example of a weak neglected but relatable character. She is often ignored, harassed and no one really takes her seriously because she's not attractive. She gets powerful and it goes to her head.
I think one of the main problems with she hulk is the bad 4th wall breaking
I mean, that's one of em, yeah. The biggest issue is the misandry tbph.
Yeah well, the only good parts of the series are the parts where she's not on screen or have little to do there so....
oh what she always did in the comics
She-Hulk was the original 4th wall breaker
not really, no
It's nice to see you using that back bone 👍 Edit: the "control my anger infinately more than you" line is annoying also because she's implying getting catcalled and talked down to is comparable to what bruce went through. The guy put a gun in his mouth to try to end it.
11:55 very great question indeed. I also having this question everytime to the terrible movies and series that ppl generally hate. Like Velma for instance.
I mean....it took you awhile to face it, but I'm glad you came around. The signs have been more pronounced in every show leading up to this one, with this one just going overboard.
This is pretty much exactly what me and a lot of other people had in mind about the show. One other thing I'd like to add is that to me, it felt like the show couldn't decide on a plot. It started as a lawyer story, where the main character is also superhuman. Then, after two thirds of the show was over, the actual plot with the intelligencia started. Then, in the last episode, everything started to come together, but very messily. I know that was the whole point, and why Jen had to go find KEVIN, but dune things in the finale the writers just threw in only to make it feel messier, like Bruce and Titania. Then Jen basically got rid of the culmination of the show and skipped to a happy ending where she can go back to having only a lawyer show with a superhero. I just thought that if you were going to end the plot, just do it, even if it is weird. Just my personal opinion, but hopefully phase 5 is better!
When she asked if that's what we really wanted, I answered, "yes, I did". It felt like such a cop out to build towards that only to stop it right when it's finally getting good and say, "nah, we're not doing this".
Just hearing a mention about The Imitation game gave me chills.... that's how good the movie was.
100% agree, I actually felt the character's feelings.
It was a great movie, but I have to disagree with the fact that it really changed people's minds about LGBQT rights, in the same way Roots may have opened peoples eyes but racists still gonna be racists even after watching.
@@Mike__B A movie alone can never permanently change a person unless the ideology sticks around your mind for a long time but the undeniable fact is that this movie for sure had left an imprint on people's minds. The movie speaks for itself how one of the greatest minds ever lived was forcefully limited of his life just because he liked men.
100% agreed on everything explained Canadian Lad. The fact that almost all male characters (except perhaps Bruce), were portrayed as simple-minded, rash and troubled during the whole show. They did a huge injustice to Daredevil too by doing so in the process. Terrible writing and I really wish this show never existed :( Also, kudos to this, "Don't just write strong female characters, write strong characters that are female!"
Bro how many times did u edit in the twerking scene my eyes are burning
Yes! Finally an adequate opinion without unnecessary hate or blind defence of the bad product!
It's just basic criticism and critical feedback out of love, not hate.
I mean those blind hatred from goofy Marvel haters aren't just empty barren hatred. There's a reason. There's always a reason. It's just that they don't want to spend their energy typing an entire paragraph for the stans since an average MCU stan doesn't have that kind of attention span unless it has a Thor butt joke in the end LMAO
I’m so glad he’s being honest and not just going with everything else
The main question is that "Is this video really necessary"
@@Jugganut2000 no but is ur comment rlly necessary also how r u so sensitive that u can’t handle someone posting a video that u don’t even have to watch stop being a baby
@@Jugganut2000 YES
@@_UNISTAR_ why criticize marvel We all know it bad but seriously release a 10+ min video to tell how bad a movie is really It doesn't make any sense to me
Going with "everyone else" is hating on it 😂 wym
A slight correction on 'Toxic Fandom' - like many things, it's a two way street. The hate for hates sake is of course obvious, but there are those who take liking films way too far as well, and are just as toxic to anyone that disagrees with them it's the best thing ever made. That said - as someone who was excited for this show when it was announced, and saw the trailer with less bad CGI, I was all for it, your title for this video isn't wrong. It's not the worst TV series I've seen - that's a competition between Halo and Velma at this point. But it is far removed from anything resembling good, other than a couple moments. And pretty much everything you say is on point. As to the studio, or others in the process of making it as may be the case in some - it's a mentality I saw back when I was in school 15+ years ago that's gone mainstream, and more so in particular ways. That, if you don't like something, don't agree with an idea - it's because your X, Y, or, Z - thus allowing them to remain right and validating what they think and so not having to change. That the vocal minority of both sides on social media drowns out the rest of us doesn't help.
This is what is called to being brutally honest
to paraphrase the show "no, just a normal amount of honesty"
@@ronpetersen2317 yeahhh
Check out The Critical Drinker if you like the brutal honest bits.
@@the_SolLoser idk man 😅 but k
@@Cavalierhasaheart jus saiyan. Dude gives brutally honest film and show reviews. Even offers ways to fix things. Happens to be an experienced novelist and is even in the process of filming a movie based on his novels, so he has skin in the game and knows what's he's talking about.
None of us would boo you for anything said in this video. If anything, we applaud and appreciate you for stepping to the plate and actually saying your thoughts and giving damn good advice on how it could be better.
Honestly this is the first video am watching after ages on your channel. Thanks for calling this out.
This video really spoke to me! I legitimately think things like diversity and trying to appeal to groups who have historically been underrepresented are good things, but if you’re not going to put in the character development or storytelling effort, you’re actually cheapening these groups rather than elevating them. And branding anybody who provides constructive feedback as racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. just further alienates people who, while disappointed, what you to succeed.
I love this channel even more now! She hulk was trash for those reasons and more. Great video. They had a real shot at giving us a great story but chose to take shots at the people they wanted to fold back into the mcu, instead it pissed off more than they intended.
Finally someone important in a Marvel fandom to not be biased and speak facts about something You just love to see it❤️
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I'd like a movie focusing on the earlier days of Bruce Banner who's in the run from General Ross and the military, his stress, trauma and depression, why he wants to end it all....Ik we have seen some of that in Incredible Hulk but I want to see that again done differently
You r very right because we all have to agree some of the recent movies and shows after endgame haven't been amazing now I'm not saying they have to top endgame but they can atleast try making content close to the old movies of mcu so I hope marvel listens to there fan base and tries harder to make good movies Amazing review btw
Every point: AGREED! The scene with FrogMan in the courtroom, it blew my mind that she didn't ask her client done basic questions before going to trial, like we're you told to not use rocket fuel. CL picked a different example but the writers wrote Jennifer as an arrogant incompetent lawyer that somehow still gets rewarded for the incompetence but gets punished for being a Hulk (and yes she is a derivative of Hulk because she got her powers from him!)
Incompetent and Arrogant? Uhh rude.
This video is amazing! Clearly showed why we liked Wanda and Silvy but not she Hulk. Perfect way to explain how good villans are created. Marvel should use your video as a reference material while training new directors and story writers
Also with that cat-calling scene, she is wrong when she says “infinitely more than you” because if I recall correctly Bruce Banner has a seriously messed up childhood which lends a lot of anger to the Hulk, far more than just being cat-called and told how to do their job.
Regarding the Imitation Game remark, clearly those people didn't have a firm basis for their quasi-belief in the first place.
I like how he said he can’t write a marvel show because he trusts what Kevin will and can do
I love that you're explaining why it isn't that good and how they could improve on that in a respectfully and maturely manner. Instead of just hating like how Nerdnorotic does and expecting that everyone knows what he's talking about.
As a fan of nerdrotic and other channels like that I actually agree. I understand what he’s getting at but I also enjoy is crassness. Not everyone does.
nerdnorotic does not hate he critics them the passion is seen through the rants same as with critical drinker you can tell they grew up with these characters and the attachment to them is evident they just want proper story telling
@Bruce kemoabe Treu. He has some good points here and there. But his take is more of the behind-the-scenes stuff and also a little bit political at some points. But what i don't like is that sometimes he doesn't explain properly of what he is talking about. And he expects that we all understand of what he is saying. Like he shows a clip of a movie or a show that everyone on the internet is talking about, and after that, doesn't explain why it's that bad and says something like: and that's why the MCU is failing and ....ect he moves on the next topic. Like most of the time he just doesn't even explain briefly the context of the clip, he just moves on. And That's one of the reasons why I, personally don't like his take on that.
While I agree on some of the points made here, especially show don't tell, there's other points that I feel I must defend. I don't think they need to show how women are treated in society because every woman out there already knows this and has lived that experience. And also throughout the show, they show you what kind of stuff women, specifically Jen, have to go through just because they're women. I disagree with the Steve Rogers comparison. Steve didn't know about the super soldier serum. Steve wanted to join the army in order to serve his country. He just want to be accepted as a soldier despite his size. He didn't care if he died in the process, as long as it meant helping his fellow. Which is what the grenade test demonstrates. His goal was not to become physically strong in order to be accepted, it was to demonstrate his strength of character and be accepted for that. That was the whole point of that first movie. Saying anyone can relate to Iron Man, but only women can relate to She-Hulk seems kind of biased. So much of the MCU is made up of cis straight white men: Iron Man, Captain America, Spider-Man, Doctor Strange, Ant-Man, Hulk, Star-Lord, Bucky Barnes, Hawkeye, Thor. They are treated as the default. And then cis straight white male fans rail against MCU properties that dare to break away from the norm. It's like how people hated Captain Marvel when it came out even though it was a perfectly fine movie. They are so used to seeing themselves on screen that they can't relate to anyone who deviates from themselves. This is why representation matters. Not just so that minorities can see themselves in the franchises that they love, but also so that other people, the people who are catered to the most, can expand their view and learn to relate to someone who is not their skin colour, gender, or sexual orientation. If you felt this show was only made for women, you need shift your perspective and learn to see things from outside your limited point of view. Not trying to be mean here. But to me, that's like saying you wouldn't play a game like Horizon or Celeste or Tomb Raider because you can only play as girl. Where as girls have been playing Mario and Sonic and Mega Man and Zelda for decades, which all star male protagonists most of the time, but they still enjoy them somehow. It's one thing to be hired because of your expertise on a subject matter, but it's a whole other thing to be paraded around the office as a diversity hire. Her boss literally told her to that if she doesn't work there in her She-Hulk form, she doesn't work there at all. Which is super messed up and would totally be grounds for an easy and costly lawsuit in any other circumstances! Imagine if someone was hired because they're gay and were assigned to work in an LGBTQ+ division, but then told to dress flamboyantly and speak in a stereotypical gay accent while at work or else they lose their job. That would be an instant and well-deserved lawsuit! It's the same for She-Hulk. The only reason she put up with it is because she really need the job. After all, this is America. Not Canada. So she's probably a mountain of student dept. I somewhat agree on we don't know She-Hulk's stance. Although we kind of do. She stands up for the law. She may not be Judge Dread, but there were a couple of times where she just wanted to use her Hulk powers to right injustices. Namely ones done to her. But she knew that was wrong in the eyes of the law and she couldn't go against those principles. I think they could have shown this better, but it is there. I think the villain of this show worked for She-Hulk. It's not some huge cosmic, world-ending threat. It's a very personal threat to her. Todd was never a physical threat. Only an emotional and social one. Which I like as it's different from the normal MCU villains and fits with what She-Hulk represents. Honestly, I think the bigger villain of this show wasn't the misogynistic little incel cult, but how everyone around her saw She-Hulk. An extension of her cousin at best or someone to be used and profited off of at worst. Take Arthur for example. As a trans woman, I can tell you that without a doubt, he is 100% a chaser allegory. FYI, a chaser is someone who fetishizes trans people and their only motivation is to sleep with them to fulfill their desire. They don't want to build a relationship or get to know them. This is exactly what Arthur was with Jennifer. He just wanted to have sex with a superhero. He didn't care about Jen as a person at all. Only a tool for his pleasure. Maybe I liked She-Hulk because the whole show did feel like one big trans allegory. Sticking out like sore thumb. Just wanting to be accepted for who you are. Not wanting to be perceived or portrayed as monster by other people. Always having to put on a perfect kind demeanour, even in the face of hate, ignorance, and bigotry, because you know that if lose control for just a second, that's how people will see you and people like you. Having a hard time finding clothes that fit.😅Etc. Sorry for such a long rant. I loved this show! I know some people didn't like this show for one reason or another. And yes, a lot of the writing could have been better. And yes, not everyone is going to relate to everything in it. But I think that's why it's a good idea to break out of your bubble and listen to other people's thoughts on the show. And hopefully She-Hulk season 2 will be a big improvement, and keep things that worked about the first season and address some of the more common issues people had.
I dont think some didnt like the show Most people didnt like the show she hulk has a google review rating of 2.4 or something which is extremely low
I am soooo behind on so many films/series lately dont even no where to start in some cases or if its even worth it.
I personally really liked what Phase 4 had to offer, but I respect the criticism and agree with many of the shortcomings. Two major problems that this phase had were the excess of projects in a row, which did not allow time to polish the product, and the pandemic disturbing everyone's schedule.
The major problem was that the writing was TRASH. You know, the core of it all. Everything else is secondary.
@@_UNISTAR_ agree. Somehow they did a decent job at writing Loki, Wandavision, Moon Knight shows and movies like Black Panther, Shang Chi were no't bad either. They seem to have no problem dealing with a huge amount of projects, it's definitely the writing.
@@_UNISTAR_ They had that problem from phase 2, so not really a change.
Thor,doctor strange and she hulk are the main reason not just cause of the bad writing these movies and shows carried high expectations from fans and they ruined it all
Phase 4 so far has a lot of new strong female characters that doesnt need to learn anything =]] plus some of the remain character that has same trait: strong, female, perfect I could say any Avenger or multiple faction involve would be fucking mess no matter what =]] Of course unless we have an army of stronger female antagonis to oppose that, a catfight of strong female characters would be interesting, right? WRONG! We have that thing call Wonderwoman sequel
Canadian Lad, I think this is one of the best of your videos! There's nothing wrong with being harsh and emotional when reacting to the show, as long as arguments and points are reasonable. In fact, I love when you get more emotional, it sounds more enthusiastic in a way. Thanks for the content, lad!
I am now sure even more than ever that in the last episode even Jennifer realised how bad the show was and tried to make a better ending (she didn't succeed, however and just made it worse)
No man, you’re totally in the right here. Great to hear more people speaking up
I completely agree with you on the show man. I really hope that She-Hulk's character gets improved over time because I know that people loved her character in the comics. It also sort of bothers me that what she does in the last episode single-handedly makes her the most powerful character in the MCU if you think about it. But yeah, I completely agree with every word you said in this video. Great work lad!
As a female marvel fan I can confidently say that I do not care if all the major roles are occupied by men as long as we don’t get a character as inconsistent, arrogant and “perfect” like the depiction of she-Hulk in this show. Especially since nowadays marvel seems pretty focused in depicting woman as strong and stoic and men as incompetent buffoons which has lead me to despise the female characters even more.
If you make a character and the only struggle they have is how the feel about things then you have a broken character. Norman said it best "people love a hero but they love most is to see a hero fail"
You’re 100% right. I enjoyed the show for the comedy, but in the same why I enjoy something like family guy, where the episodes aren’t the best examples of story telling, they’re disconnected, and just for laughs. Additionally, as a graduate of law school, I found the court scenes had potential, posing interesting legal questions, but were generally devoid of any semblance of realism.
" Don't write strong female characters, write strong characters that are female " damnnn that hit hard 👏👏
At @0:50 "feel free to give me a dislike" *SheHulk raising middle finger Im cracking up ahhahahaha
I LOVE your Videos and I LOVE that you are honest about this show because I really couldn‘t even watch it…. So sad that marvel isn‘t pouring their love into the characters anymore… with the the show Mrs Marvel it was the end for me