Russian Tank that Fooled The internet
2024 ж. 9 Мам.
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A picture of this tank came out recently. It appears to be a picture of a Russian T-62M tank, modified with a lot of components from the T-90M, the most modern Russian tank in active service. And it spread like wildfire. Everyone started talking about it, pro russian, pro ukrainian, it doesn't matter, twitter, telegram, all kinds of platforms, even media articles started to be written about it.
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Outro: "face away" - svard
Its been pointed out to me that it is possible that this tank is a vismod to make a T-62 look like T-90M while ignoring any practicality, so its possible its not photoshop fake, but a physical fake thats just been modified to look like T-90M as much as possible, the "transparent" sight could be just a weird shadow. Leaving this comment here just in case. But if it does turn out to be a physical vismod, I will make a followup video. I would honestly prefer it to be that because it would be so much more interesting, so Im hoping we do get more pictures or even a video, if its a vismod.
1. Your point about ERA alignment is moot if we consider it to be a T-62 turret. 2. Lights constricting the periscopes isn't convincing, especially given Russians often partially constrict sightlines and turret traverse (think cope cages). The light would create a blind spot directly in front of the tank, but wouldn't construct sight much otherwise. 3. The Muzzle Reference Sensor being on wrong I can't speak to, as I don't know if it does or does not work in that position. 4. The spotlight outline argument is unconvincing, it doesn't even align perfectly and a professional photoshopper wouldn't leave a layer partially transparent. 5. The RWS is clearly an incomplete frame, hence why it looks the way it does. Occam's razor suggests that someone going out of there way to make this as an extremely high quality photoshop, only to have it posted to an obscure Telegram channel by a volunteer and possibly soldier's wife/relative is far less likely than the tank being real.
@@RazorsharpLT To this extent, I would think that this tank is a vismod (either for deceptive purposes, to make Ukraine think it’s a T-90M when it isn’t, or for propaganda purposes)
We're gonna call this tank a T-69. 😉
Its possible that they really do have a sensibly upgraded T-62, and this bad Photoshop has been released as a smoke screen so that everybody runs around claiming the upgraded T-62 is a hoax. However, if Russia has worked out a sensible modernization upgrade for the T-62, that would make a lot of sense.
delete it
Not everyone can be the North Korean who has to keep updating T-62 decades after decades.
Legends say the North Koreans will still keep upgrading it in the 2060s.
If it aint broken, why fix it?
Only normie plebs buy “new”. True hipster master race keeps updating the old till its barely recognizable 🤣😂
@@yarnickgoovaertsBecause you are 60 years behind your enemy just south of you?
You shouldn't think that North Korea has bad weapons. Even we in Russia were interested in some of their developments. Artillery, as far as I know, is not inferior in range to American ones, and in some versions it is better! You have to be objective so as not to be a fool! North Korea has nuclear weapons and missiles capable of bringing them to the United States. Believe me, it will make no difference to you which high-explosive shell will kill you, from a modernized T-62 or T-90M.
I got fooled by that, but honestly, I was raising questions about it First I thought it was a T-80 or something because I did not payed attention, then everyone was saying T-62 and I was like "okay but why not T-72B3 with Relitik if you can do that in T-62"
Yeah, it's weird, but I got fooled too. I'm not too sad about it, as pixel peeping is difficult on compressed internet images, so I didn't even bother. And all the abominable design choices were quickly shut down with "well, the russians did it, so who knows"
@@nestor1208 yeah, the thing I saw first was someone saying "T-90M at home" which at first for some seconds I thought "wait T-90M" and what make me realize it was not a T-90M was the lack of the commander sight.
Boggles my mind how anyone could have been fooled. The image does not hold up to scrutiny😂
@@CoolSmoovie When the image is postage stamp sized on your phone, scrolling by in a newsfeed, are you so sure that you wouldn't be fooled?
Потому что т62 и т72 на разных заводах производят в России. Т62 снимают с консервации и модернизируют. Т72 он же т90 создают полностью новыми.
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@@alphanomad511 hm?
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@@saucyinnit8799 😏
real
somone who photoshopped this : YES I FOOLED EVERYONE! HAHAHHA! Red effect : did you forget about me?
Spy voiceline!
It was him, so he could make a video😂
Well he can improve on his next Photoshop with Red effects input.
Three things which immediately don't really make sense are 1) the extra headlight, 2) that "hatch lump" on the turret top-left and 3) the "transparent Sosna-U gunsight" and searchlight on the right. Everything else looks kind-of OK, but breaks down under knowledgeable examination.
Man needs just 1 pixel for a thorough review
Thanks to red effect, we all finally get some reasonable explanations. Thanks!
This guy's vision is unmatched I swear, same with his love and knowledge for Russians tank
@@xx_lightning_xx5781then why don’t you try explaining better and just because you barley started seeing his channel and see all “Russian tank” then you clearly have no idea he has literally talked a lot about American, European/ nato tanks, Chinese tanks, hell even Ukrainian tanks and Russian tanks and he talks about ifvs etc so yeah red effect isn’t perfect but he’s the best you can get for this without a bias from either side
@JuanMartinez-zs9bu uhhh sorry I actually don't understand what you're saying* right now, when did I say implie that red effect was biased toward Russia like what ? I was simply giving him compliments because of how much he know and _love_ Russians tanks that's all
@@JuanMartinez-zs9bu i dont think hes saying that he likes exclusively russian tanks, he just expresses redeffect's passion for these tanks as well as tanks in general
@@xx_lightning_xx5781 Ignore that guy he must be absolutely insane. Nothing you said implied bias towards Russian knowledge, your post was clearly a compliment. I think bro is schizophrenic or something
T-62's are pretty much like M60's: You can only upgrade one so much before the cost outweighs the effectiveness. The Americans DID have that one Abrams turret mounted on an M60 chassis though, so the chances of this sort of abomination occuring at one point aren't 0...
Yes, its all tried before going back to WW2. For instance, the PZ4 with a Panther turret, the T34 with a Sherman turret etc.
@@ianlarge9016 And Churchill NA
@@ianlarge9016After all turrets and tanks themselves are somewhat separate. As long as the turret tank abomination manages to get power and the turret is adapted to the hole.
THIS is why we are RedEffect subscribers aint no way we get fooled on this channel
You are on about the M60 2000. That thing looks funny heavily armored on the top but still using steal armor thats paper thing on the body. In hold down it will be good since it's like an M1A2 but once that chassis is exposed good bye.
Damn, new premium! When are we getting it funny snail?
We all know what the snail god want, soul and a lot of souls.
@@ringotran64 And a lot of souls.
I just think it is a decoy T-90M based on a not working T-62. Yes, it would have different tracks, but this wouldn't be easly visible from most FPV drones since they attack from a top view angle.
Man what a sound, what groove, the tones, the fuzz, the wah... Everything genius!
I read an article about the new T-62 obr.2023 this morning. Good catch on all of the inconsistencies in the picture.
As someone who works in photoshop everyday, that transparent thermal sight, is something very common when working with the Photoshop Remove Tool that was recently introduced in the stable release version I could not see it since I am looking the video at 240P, but when you see it at proper quality is very obvious
As someone who works in photoshop for work, i say who make it, sold his ass to te devil itself. Also thermal sight not a problem because image so pixelated so it can be shadow on "Sosna" due jpeg compression.
@@PsyHoGKVisual true, for some reason all military photos/videos are made with extremely bad quality, probably to hide this minor details they are exported at low quality in jpeg and compressed even more
I didn't thought it was photoshop , but for how it was looking I would expected this thing would collapse like paper house the moment it moved to fast 😅
A pro Russia telegram channel posted this tank with jokes about war thunder and just general bewilderment about the whole image. Nobody seems to have bought it
False.
@@TheKakan1337 ok and what makes you say that
What was the name of the Telegram channel? Also what was the joke?
@@saitama_thecapedbaldy3489 kiril federov Something about a br of 7.0 or something for the tank Edit: The post itself said "I suppose it's photoshopped, put it in game" The comment section had a comment saying it'll work in 7.0 br Lol and a comment about the dynamic protection being the eyebrows of Brezhnev
@@mistertwister2828 cool joke he did Xd I got 3 accounts I looked up, I don't know who's which.. Кирилл Фёдоров / Война история оружие Кирилл Фёдоров Исторические будни
Thank you for another masterclass of analysis. You are the best in the business. Keep it up!
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Good job, I thought the mud guards looked odd but did not look too much into the rest at all!
The point about the headlights really impressed me, I crosstrained to drive a Leo2 and unless you really stretch your neck upwards which is hard cus you have a cvc on, you can't see any thing below past the front slope
Can you talk about the urban tank warfare in Gaza since i saw some pretty interesting videos. and yesterday a video was posted showing what i think was an ammo detonation in a APC. The APC was literally black from the fire there was so much fire even on the tracks so maybe the fuel caught fire? I don’t know you are the expert.also can you tell us if the crew survived ?
The only channel on KZhead whose analysis I trust without propaganda
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Expert >>> Super Informations !!! Thank you !!!
Thank goodness my F-15 with X-wing configuration posted on Facebook is limited to friends and family. Otherwise the internet and probably some KZheadrs would have a field day studying it.
Could you please make a video about ahs krab or bwp borsuk?
Love your videos, keep it up!
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4:32 Anyone else notice the gas mask placed over the headlight? Kinda looks like the driver.
Yep, was going to post about it till I saw your comment!
XD PoV : WarT hunder random dude with free prop
Fortunately you are here to make us laugh and entertained us about tanks ❤️
Hey Red pls make a video on this - Boxer heavy weapon carrier vehicles
Would be possible/feasible to update the T-62M to something close to the standard of the current T-90M "Proryv-3"?
I got fooled by this image. I saw it in passing and was like "oh cool, they are finding new adaptations"...but I guess not.
When i first saw this i didnt think it was an actual upgrade to the t62 my first instincts told me it was a way of deception making drones and such target an old t62 instead of actual t90's also looking at those track covers they are not just a photoshop copy of the t90m the point where they join togheter is just some simple bolts on the t90m its bolts and some sort of clips with an anti slip patch on top
I mean some of those things could have been excused by saying it’s a modification and they just put the stuff on it that they had laying around but the fact that the commander sight was visible through the Sosna and that the weapon station was kind of removed is a dead giveaway I’m ashamed that it kind of fooled my but tbh I didn’t care anyway
The upper turret front ERA block on the far left side also looks suspiciously bright when you consider that such a modification would likely also have anti reflective coating like the T-90M
i didnt knew it existed and watchign it hurt my eyes cause i noticed the era armor the lights and i felt the commanders sight was missing which it was loool
Another glaring thing for me is the turret era is placed a little too high and exposing the base of the turret a little too much
Pay close attention, you can draw a horizontal line of pixels where the turret meets the hull.
please tell me you have considered the picture to be flipped horizontally......
My first thought on first glance was, oh that looks like a 2a5 turret, oh the dumbass I am
I like how well spoken and polite the narrator is, and also sounds very well informed on the subject being discussed! And the 'Have a nice day' at the end just earned him a new subscriber 👍
Ah man, when I first saw this video, the first thing that came to my mind when I saw this was "Frankenstein Tanks". Now I don't know if some know this, it's like when you mix tank parts together.
Good analysis
Hey Redefect in case you see this I would like to get your opinion on the position of the leopard 2 as a form of "Euro Tank" considering its wider adoption across European nations in Eastern and central Europe since the war In Ukraine. it seems like it might actually make the original concept for the Euro panzer actually a thing that is happening.
anything about the first kaput Leo1A5?
Well done Red. Quality content!
That outro song slaps
T-62 hull be like:OOOOO MY FUCKING GOD SOMEBODY HELP
I dont think this is photoshopped, i think its more likely a vismod or similar. As someone who has used photoshop a fair bit this would be incredible hard to make, all the lighting is too perfect. I think TankDiary is correct.
The turret is also in a different time zone from the hull
Does redeffect have any other channels?
T-62BV Mod 2023
effect, I really hope you read my comment. The Russians built a similar tank for export - the T55 with a turret from the T72 and a PROTECTED AMMUNITION RACK IN THE REAR OF THE TURRET, the T55 hull was also lengthened, it was called the T55m6, a very cool and interesting modification
Yeah, the modern T-55. Sadly too expensive for any potential buyers to use, they prefer some used T-72`s or unmodified T-55 from whatever is left.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 This tank was built for russian navy forces exactly because back then it was cheaper than modyfiing T--72.
@@kot0472 No. That one is specifically EXPORT modification.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 I probably confused it with T-55M5.
I don't think it's photoshop but it could be some dudes fing around in a tank construction plant (just for fun or trying to get some type of promotion etc.) or it could be a some type of tank that is used for module testing or training tank ! if this is photoshop this was not done by some random guy ,this is pro work ,you can cut and paste but 99% of people forget about ISO levels and other things like ambient lights ! there are tools you can buy that are made to see if photos are made using photoshop and same with videos (these are not cheap start about USD 4,000.00 i only got to use one of them once and they can't do anything else) 10 years + full time graphic designer !
Full agreed, i also think it's more like cinema prop or something. Or these guys spend 10k+ for pixelated Telegram image dunno.
Gonna be honest, I never saw this photo, but nice breakdown.
are you sure the meeting line and angles aren't optical illusions based on camera angle and distance?
4:32 is no one going to mention that crazy gas mask face mounted over the tank headlights? Wtf is with that? Some sort of Russian Halloween setup?
Seeing how many things are wrong I would say this is an AI generated image.
Nope. Having seen many AI images due to how much it is spammed online, these aren't AI. AI have rather unique mistakes that is easy to pick up on. These are photoshop mistakes. Having done image editing, cutting off the RWS, pasting stuff over etc are common artifacts of such attempts.
This is certainly not an AI generated image. AI tends to over detail and do mistakes that go against the laws of physics if you take a closer look. This just looks like a photoshop.
Ai mistakes tend not to be straight edges if that makes sense, if you think of it as a painting, ai mistakes will blend the edges of colors together that arent meant to be blended. While human mistakes tend to be using the wrong colors (in this metaphor)
Indeed. The type of mistakes would be typical.
AI can't generate images of tanks correctly, I tried multiple times to get images of fictional tanks, and they come out somewhat how I expect it but with all kinds of weirdness
Awesome video
If it’s real it raises several interesting implications, first the fact it’s equipped with either Sosna-U or PNM-T is by itself a mayor improvement in FCS as well as situational awareness. Both Sosna-U and PNM-T posses automatic tracking capability and their thermal imagers have greater detection range compared to the 1PN96MT-02 that lacks either automatic tracking or lead capabilities, is uncooled and limited to a range of 2,500-3,000 km range. The addition of Relikt ERA also increases the protection somewhat. Second but more interestingly, the fact the Russians would equipped a vintage reserve tank like this one with equipment reserved for more capable vehicles like T-72B3, T-80BVM or T-90M could indicate that the availability of advanced thermal sights like the Sosna-U and PNM-T has increased to the point even vintage T-62s can be equipped with it, that by itself could also suggest amongst other possibilities that production has increased and or the bottlenecks that were limiting production have been resolved or mitigated at least.
Тут скорее вопрос экономики стоит . в России достаточно много на складах танков . дешевле сварить новую башню и поставить новый ствол обслужить двигатель и поставить относительно новые системы прицеливание . закрепить снаружи новую защиту . чем делать мозг по "современным танкам" . пример в секторе газа показал что дрон прекрасно убивает танк . и по этой кстати причини Абрамсы что есть у Украины не отсвечивают на поле боя особенно после того как Челленджер и Леопард себя показали. Все забывают что войне это в первую очередь экономика . у Украины не было изначально возможности победить Россию . украинские друзья решили таким способом не марая руки ослабить Россию поэтому выгребли со складов все что было под списание и что в ближайшее 5-10 лет станет ненужным мусором . в этом и есть трагедия Украины они проверили что США их друзья .кинули Россию и не выплатили кредит. в итоге потеряли производства населения теретории. Справедливая цена за то что в политики доверяешь кому либо а не отстаиваешь свой интерес.
When well we see Abrams with Russian ERA with cope cage and German cross on it
I think that very soon!!!!
I am not convinced it is photoshop, but I figured it was some weird mock up or dress up of a tank to resemble T90M. The misaligned ERA told me that right away.
"Some field reassembly required."
If we compare the 6 vertical (about 10 inches long) screwed elements on down side of frontal armor, of glacis plate, we can see that they have about the same size and position than T62 pictures seen in this video. T62 has only one headlight on glacis, ... T90 has two ... well, where is the difficulty to instal two headlight on modified T62 glacis ? Based on this observation, down side of this tank seems based on T62. Concerning the turret, ... each element on this turret can be adapted and placed on a modified T62 turret.
I want him to try Photoshop DM 53 APFSDS into DM 13 while it flies.
I was fooled by the picture in the article, because I read it at 2am when not really awake.
who ever made this it was a blast looks real
Keep the facts coming.
Russia: "we upgraded our 60 year old tanks with some 30 year old parts" Internet: "lol no you didn't"
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To some-one who does really know what other Russian tanks look like, they did a pretty good job, because the perspectives (nothing tapers off in the wrong direction) and lighting (shadows are in the right places, unlike the infamous "upside peas") all seem consistent. The slightly wonky ERA isn't really a giveaway, it looks like it *could* be a field modification to go with the cope cage, but the headlight and the other features on the turret do look weirder the closer you look. Actually, the size an position of the cope-cage make it look like they copied the front of a T-90M turret (main gun and all) and had to drop it down slightly to fit, because stretching to fit would have left the gun muzzle more obviously oval (T-90M turret being much wider than tall) and *that's also* why the turret seems a bit too close to front of the hull. I'm thinking like some-one who did a lot of Somethingawful photoplasty competitions back in the day, not really from a "I know a lot about tanks" perspective, because that would be a lie.
A step up from the sims 3
В общем если я верно вас понял, то вы утверждаете что это изображение не настоящего танка , а подделка из какого нибудь photoshop с целью выпустить унижающие Россию видео?
@@rabbitfarmer301 Нет, я предполагаю, что какой-то российский танкист хотел похвастаться тем, что его приятелям дома выдали «новейшее и лучшее», но на самом деле он просто отфотошопил свой Т62, и теперь многие люди показывают пальцем и смеются над его попыткой. .
updoot for somethingawful
@@dj1NM3 смеются только танкофилы, ретушеры же за бошку хватаются, т.к. "просто отфотошопил" было бы заметно за километр. А тут гора работы. Либо 2 танк, сфотканый буквально через 5 минут после первого.
The cope cage also looks pretty photoshopped to me, tiny and just looks like someone painted a T on the layer.
3:27 this is new russian active adaptive camo xd
Still looks pretty convincing tbh
Wow, that turret looks really off and way too big. It's like they had to "lift" it a little, to squeeze in the ERA?
Lazerpig running to make a video about this tank. You can just hear the laboured breathing
"It possible that this guy recieved the T62M tank and then sent image to his friend or family to photoshop it into a T90M so he could brag around and it backfired." Oh well.. I hope he survived after that backfire from T62.
They got me with that. Not gonna lie. But I thought it was just like a body kit like on Honda Civics.
Whats the outtro song?
face away - svard
if it weren't for the obvious technical problems with equipment overlapping and a little bit better job with ERA placement they could deceive as for some time xD but i doubt Russia would even upgrade T-62, because that upgrade would probably cost more then the tank itself, T-62 is good as a mobile artillery or support in the background the only thing they could do with T-62 is make armored vehicle from it, like Israelis
well they probably need to restart some of their old ammo production line and that's just cost more than reusing t72s
I honestly think this is just a poorly thought out field upgrade more then a photoshop. Just because it dosent make good sense to put things where the did dosent mean someone didn't do it. The only thing that really stood out to me that was mentioned in the video was the ir light behind the commander sight but quality is bad and that could just be a silhouette of a solder standing in commaders hatch.
@@Past10Performance nothing explain that second head light, I don’t think filed upgrades contained lights. btw t62s are not even in the filed why would they need a filed upgrade
@@Jason-jb1vsthey are tho; we've seen them loaded on trains^^
I could see the Russians making a bolt on upgrade kit for the T-62, as it is the last of the simple Russian tanks, and probably far less work to rebuild them coming out of storage than T-64's and Newer tanks.
It looks cursed, especially the turret.
Oh no my modernization program for the t62 was leaked from my sprocket files
T90m at home
why do they keep putting gas masks on the headlights and are the filters modern or do they give you lung explode
Pertaining to all things tank; it isn't real unless RedEffect says it's real.
Also, you didn't consider a different conclusion, that it's a decoy, and it looking EXACTLY like anything really mattered. And I don't think that shadow you pointed to is actually the thing behind it. I think it's actually a shadow.
Great 👏
This is so damn well made.
I enjoyed this new episode of "Photoshopped or Just Incompetence: russia edition"
it looks as though the turret is too high above the tank body.
Your T52 is an M48 Patton.
T-80BVM si the moust used tenk now as I know, and you do not mentioned them. I do not know much about tenks biut I see on this fotoshop as you say more simularity with this thank and not the T.90 or T 62.?! Why you did you missed it?
they really pulled out the skinwalker tank
Good show
The driver's scope is enough to debunk it
Knew it was fake the moment I saw a giant stupid hollow t-pose trophy on top.
Call Gaijin add this as an upgrade
Even The tank and the guy have different lighting and colour grading, how can people not see it ?
Wow 😳
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The Germans did this in WW2 with the Heinkel 113 but that was a state sponsored campaign.