Good or Useless? Russian Turtle Tanks
2024 ж. 20 Сәу.
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We have seen Russians use all kinds of things to protect their tanks from the FPV drones, from regular cope cages to massive nets covering entire vehicles. But recently there has been a new player on the field, the turtle tank.
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Outro: "face away" - svard
Ah yes, Da Vinci once again proved that he is genius.
He was too smart for his time
reject modernity, embrace tradition
Nature has the best ideas
*Bob Semple. None of his tanks were ever lost in action.
ornithopters next
tutel
It surely is my friend
🐢
🐢 yes 👍
Tutel :D
Yak-2-Kaab
"Hey, where is my house?" Suspiciously house-shaped tank :
this one cracked me up, thank you
More of a pig-pen than a house
@@theelmonk In Ukraine and eastern Russia pig-pens are qualified as house
>literally a barn on tracks >advances about a kilometer into enemy positions without support >drops fpv drones like mosquitoes >refuses to elaborate >returns back tutel
Single guy runs behind it with a stachel charge or bunch of duck taped grenade and you get a free mobility kill
@@gamedude412 I can think of 5 reasons that's not going to work
@@gamedude412 We can see that you're a gamedude but this ain't Battlefield3
@@gamedude412 yea.... ok this is not call of duty. Infantry are not running up to tanks and placing satchel charges on them. You see on the battlefield if your exposed, even for a second your life is in grave danger.
@@islandwills2778 have you seen some videos from gaza? palestinian fighters placing charges in tank, AFV and other vehicles
Everyone laughed at the corrugated metal armor of the Bob Semple tank, look who is laughing now
So Bob Semple failed because it wasn't worn by another tank?
Remember the Bob Semple? This is him now. Feeling old yet?
Who's laughing now? Still everyone.
But Bob Sample was and is the best tank in the world with 0 tank lost to combat...
@@danh7411 Most stealthy tank ever too. Everyone is aware of it but nobody ever spotted it in combat.
Russians adapting the 'Stug life'.
Closely to bloated Hetzer, even in some angle from the video it kinda looks like Nashorn
Amen brother.
'cept the commander of the Stug, the Jagdpanzer, the jagdtiger etc could still see 360 degrees lol
The Russian Elefant…
@@aztkshorty9138 adressing the elephant in the room, huh?
Everything evolves into crabs, except instead of crabs it's Hetzers.
2020: Ha ha Russians are welding iron beds to tanks. 2022: Now everyone does it 2024: Ha ha the Russians made a turtle out of a tank with the help of iron fences. I'll wait until 2026
I'm afraid to imagine what will happen to tanks in 10 years
@@user-hs5eh9lc9m With the development of drones and their cheapness, the tank becomes an easy target. I think in the future we will return to heavy tanks again, if at all.
@@DedHobbit I dont think so, modern tanks will probably start having mini anti-air turrets or jamming weapons that automatically destroy incoming drones and slow projectiles
@@seb3209 There is an "active protection complex". Well, I'm sure that the translator will translate it correctly into English. The bottom line is that the "active protection" explodes rocket-propelled grenades on approach to the tank. Probably, if we improve this system, it will cope well with drones. I sincerely hope that the translator translated all this correctly and did not turn it into a set of meaningless words. Because translators are very bad at translating terms, abbreviations, etc.
@@DedHobbit Don't worry, the translation is fine. I am aware of the trophy system, but that seems more specialised for high speed projectiles at close ranges. I'm thinking of something more along the lines of what the Spanish company 'Escribano' is doing, basically a machine gun turret combined with a tracking camera system.
I want T 95 Russians: we have T 95 at home T 95 at home: ⛺️
its called Blyatmobil
Exactly 🤣
there was real tank called t95 or project 640
@@2dhistory197the T-95 was Object 195
@@2dhistory197 you mean Object 195 and T-95 is a wrong name for it
what war fanatics in the 2000s thought 2020 wars would look like: laser tanks, portable iron domes, indestructible armor what it really is like: tanks wearing a hobo's shed as a hat
Also they thought that trench warfare would be inexistent 😂
True. Everything is back to the economy of war. As much and cheap as possible. I recon that Russia and China have the advantages over the western country then.
@@ulforcemegamon3094 It would be if this was a Real War. It is nothing but Depopulation Agenda. Why does Putin not Attack Selensky? Both are Little Hat Tribe. In Any Real War you would Focus on the Palaces and Bunkers, the Highups use. Even the Internet is still Going.
@@ulforcemegamon3094people thought trench warfare was obsolete in the 1950s with how normalized plane usage in war was becoming
Tank armor: doesnt work Russians in 2024: invent turtle tank armor🤯
I love Russian improvisation, unironically. People laugh but this can legit bounce off drone grenades.
and not be able to shoot... genious! vodka and idiocracy
@@vay6901 it does not need to shoot its just there to clear mines and be support vehicle
@@bodemseuvenu3 even more useless... Walking coffin. Russian logic and its supporters logic never cease to amaze me. If its a mine cleaner then clearly the driver inside will be dead, and you cant use the tank to shoot again It will also not soak up any drones because i doubt Ukrainian pilots are dumb enough to try to hit it
@@vay6901 It's a mine clearing vehicle. It's not supposed to shoot. It's supposed to lead the convoy and open a way
@@vay6901 u talk like a true idiot lol
This is 100% slavic engineering at its finest.
You may not like it but this is the peak tank form
Sorta like the miner boss from the Chernobyl show. May not like it but that is peak male form
Everything evolves into crabs.
Saw what you did there.. 😅
No. Lazer crabs are the peak tank form. Evolution has proven this many times.
Log in, pootin
Imagine this in war thunder
It is basically a conversion into a Hetzer, visibility and gun rotation wise
they would make it an event vehicle and somehow it would clap cheeks
@@daspeed198 It is russian of course it would clap cheeks lol😂.
it will be an event reward one day
Attack the D point!
You're all wrong, this is for sentimental purposes. The crew of this tank will always feel at home.
😂
😂😂😂
2:03 the point of the tank going all that way, was to scout ahead and clear mine fields for the convoy behind it (for some reason he doesn’t show the part where the tank is clearing the mines)
The logical next step; install soil on the turtle roof, flowerbeds on the side and grow a meadow there. Then you will have a camouflage that will be almost indistinguishable from natural shrubbery and will always adapt to seasonal changes.
Turtle evolves into Chameleon
That would help with heat signature as well
that's not so dumb as you may think
I mean , that would greatly reduce heat signature , since dirt and grass has a way lower temperature than a tank
Holy balls this is genius....
Seeing this in action with the sped up footage it reminds me of these videos of moving single-celled organisms
This guy gets it
When life gives you lemons... Tanks equipped with the "turtle shell" likely have a damaged turret traverse drive that can't be repaired in the field. So there is no need to be concerned with fully rotating the turret or conducting conventional tank operations with it. Installing a big drone shield and an electronic warfare suite would be one clever way to make use of a partially disabled tank before (or instead of) sending it back to a factory to repair the turret ring. I don't think we will be seeing the turtle shell applied to most tanks, but the visual resemblance to early tanks like the A7V is really fascinating.
Exactly. They are moving targets. I'd be surprised if they even have a working turret. They are probably remote controlled also. Dispersed with a few actually working tanks Ukraine would have to target them all only to find the one that is protected with a dozer blade turns and lights them up. It allows the Russians to dictate the battlefield no matter the risk.
Hmm it only have damaged turret , not gun itself , may be it still can fire in the same manner of WW2 assault gun .
@@kampfer91 it might, but the accuracy would be abysmal, assuming they also want to keep the vehicle on the move.
You are right, actually. This T-72 got its turret damaged - lost rotation ability. So they tried to create improvised self-propelled artillery unit. The results exceeded expectations... Immensely
Damn, not a single soul mentioned how they look like the KillDozer design?! People are useless goldfishes nowadays
It’s like a mixture of a WW2 German tank destroyer, Killdozer and the Bob Semple tank
The idea of this cage came from the need to protect the tanks from drones attack, but it was also combined with the idea to use the tank with irreparably broken turret turning mechanism instead of just getting rid of it. The first tank we observed on the video was used as a de-mining truck leading a pack of tanks or BMP’s through the minefield. The next iteration of this tank is on a second video - it was used as an assault/ reconnaissance in combat tank. Certainly, this is just a handcrafted field adaptations, but they really show possible new direction of the tanks development.
True, though honestly it looks more of either desperation on either the supply chain that tanks can't be sent back for proper repair or salvage. If not desperation then (and probably far more true) neglect on the brass (COs) side of things where field mod ghetto mine clearing is needed.
@@crocidile90 I think it is neither of those. This is just the reflection of the fact that field adaptation happens much faster than industrial adaptation, which has to go through bureaucratic processes ( idea assessment, concept development, concept assessment and selection, etc…) before it reaches production. In the battlefield all these processes happen simultaneously, failed concepts don’t go anywhere, successful ones go into handcraft production, after prove of concept - can go directly to industrial production. Basically, the battlefield is a testing field at the same time. So, we happen to observe concept prove step in military innovation process.
Battlefield adaptability by the soldiers and crew basically
@@crocidile90 If you really believe it's desperation for losing hardware then you must be completely disconnected from reality. Those people are trying to keep their heads lol. Who gives a shit about the tank.
Imagine getting into the turtle and telling your superior officer "Hey man, how do we fight with this? the guns drive is jammed, we cannot fight back in this" and your officer just goes "You do not fight. You are just a moving target. You clear mines by driving over them. Good luck"
Kill-dozer guy was way ahead of his time 😂 Seriously, since the primary threat to Russian armor seems to be smaller drone carried munitions, this seems a reasonable position. I'm sure the command in the field better understand the theater threats than we do, at home.
Pretty much , the turtle tank is basically invencible vs cheap drones dropping grenades from the top , and has a bigger protection against rpgs , since welding some metal sheets isn't that expensive , the solution seems good enough
i have another theory: we dont have things like that in the west because it doesnt require big industry. and big price tags. and that seems to be the end-all-be-all in NATO...simple cheap isnt what we do...
@@simonschneider5913 that too, for sure
The drones are only an elevated threat because the Ukrainians have shortages of better anti-tank methods. It isn't due to drones overtaking the battlefield due to their superiority. Remember slat armour proliferating in western vehicles during their deployment in the conflicts in the middle east, facing low tech insurgents with RPGs. The additional weight is not a grave disadvantage in those kinds of threat environments, but would be in a more symmetrical situation. Some of the Russian improvisations in this war seem to be pretty ridiculous, such as this, but is perhaps a reaction to a threat environment where their opponent is running out of other means than drones.
It's likely not drone protection because a metal net or wire fence over a metal frame would be just as effective and easier to build.
Watching it shimle through city has to be one of the most funniest things that has come out of this war
If the metal sheets don't hinder communications, the tank can be "radio controlled" by the means of surveillance drone, in this case the commander may not even be present inside the tank. As for it's purpose, i'm 70% sure it's riding around to draw fire, making enemy to waste ammunition and discover their positions before the main event.
yup... Russians have a lot of tanks. I am sure they have drone surveillance to see where the enemy fire is coming from. Then order the artillery park to bombard the enemy position.
Its for clearing mines
It's clearing mines in the video. That's why it makes a u turn after reaching a point.
@@vlodagon I'm afraid that's one Ukrainian know-how Russia doesn't want to steal. Looks like it has a side effect of running out of live meat and losing the war.
@@vlodagon Tanks are extremely expensive only in corrupt countries like USA
Another meme tank to the collection!
When is the slug going to add it to war thunder? We want it!
Video games in twenty years are going to have some obscure technology to add during April Fools.
War thunder where’s my turtle tank????
Shed of the Dead, Blyatmobile, Cope Can... yeah it's been memed numerous times to say the least.
For those who are interested. Those turtle tanks are only meant to be clearing the road from mines for the rest of the vehicles. They are not loaded with ammo and only the driver is present.
Exactly. I would like to see an actual production model that would be remotely-operated with tons of sensors for the same task, that would be interesting.
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day has thus been ruined.
No driver. Its remote
what happens is the tracks are destroyed?
they are used for indirect shooting. There was avideo like few mons ago when tc of one of thoose tanks sayed this
Welcome back A7V. You are as beautiful as the day we lost you.
Another nice thing of this design noone mentions it that you can disguise type of the vehicle inside it if done properly. You can put inside an old T55 or a modern T90, or a BMP, and enemy wouldn't know beforehand what your goal and capabilities are - to provide fire support or to deliver troops. Also that means you don't know which type of munitions should you use. You can also put inside a tractor with remote control and just use it as a mobile decoy, while enemy is exposing his artillery to counter-battery fire ) About armor penetrating munitions - cluster AT bomblets have much smaller penetrative power, being designed to hit thinnest roof or engine compartment by a direct contact, and if they pre-detonate it will have their penetration very significantly reduced
There's more to it, it's 2024 after all. Jammer disrupts manual guidance. "Turtle" disrupts autonomous AI and thermal guidance.
@@Conserpov you can't say about thermal for sure, that engine heat probably accumulates inside
this is a mine sweeper, not a tank or an armored personnel carrier. There are 2 crew members and the cannon is only decorative. The tanks follow and cover him with fire.
@@TerramorpherRu well tank becomes a mine sweeper when you attach mine clearing plows to it. So it's a role, not a new type of a vehicle. But they probably removed most or all ammo to increase survivability, but I highly doubt they had the needs to remove cannon just to switch it to a prop one
@@ivflash6363 Ukrainians use a lot of old T-72 and T-64, which were produced even before the invention of dynamic protection of the "Contact" type. Once they fall into trophies, they cannot be repaired. (armor parameters do not correspond to the required ones, and even the repair tool is different). Therefore, they are used as mine trawls, because they are free.
Born too late to explore the world, born too soon to explore the space, but just in time to witness the reborn of A7V with all of its glory
At this rate, they're a half step away from assaulting the enemy with a whistle and a revolver.
@@wargamingrefugee9065 War, war always changes then changes back… -Nuke Man 4
It looks more like a modernized battering ram
@@graftsilver6547 idk man, it look lotta alike german jadgpanther
@@wargamingrefugee9065..we did witness some ww1 tactics tho no? Trench and even digging tunnel to enemies blind spot and go through sewer to attack.. Also if I not mistaken the rus is famously using shovel for melee combat in bakmut(?)
The crew of this tank wrote that their horizontal guidance drive was broken. So they don't have to shoot anymore. They're just using it as an BMP
why dont they repair the tank?
@@-morrow I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but chaos, expediency and shortages are common on warfronts. A surprise, I know.
@@-morrow prob quicker to use it like this, and perhaps they got more tanks and this is simply a superior BMP.
@@-morrowBecause as you can see this is an extremely old T-72 it aint a B3 or B, this thing pretty much has no use in the modern battlefield so there is no point repairing this pile of crap
@@-morrow "why dont they repair the tank?" 1, it's an old model. Even if it was repaired, it would only be used as firesupport anyway, which it has been doing without being repaired. And 2, apparently it was something that required such a major repair that it would require sending the tank all the way back to the factory, so, extremely inconvenient.
"What you're seeing is Advancded Warfare"
Если работает, то не важно, как выглядит - от гранат поможет, от ВОГ поможет, от дронов поможет и даже от кумулятивного снаряда частично поможет, струя частично рассеется.
Flexible thin steel or plywood actually bounces off some FPV drones and changing detonation vector away from the tank underneath. These tanks have mine rollers in front and drone jammers. So the main purpose of this construction is to drive around town and create safe routs for a future armored attack. Currently very effective
So you simply have to note its route to know which way any upcoming attack will go. Priceless
@@agn855thats why they drive around all over the place and create multiple routes
Interesting
@@agn855 Thats always the case with mine fields. This little turtle, however creates multiple safe routs first, then arial bombardment suppresses artillery and drones, armor moves in multiple directions. As I said - its most effective assault strategy in modern warfare so far. Invest in plywood stocks haha
@@agn855 Not sure if you've noticed but there's not a lot of possibilities on a minefield. Ask the Ukrainians and their overhyped Summer Offensive and how that went. Armchair youtube generals around here. 💀💀
Sturmpanzerwagen my beloved
There was once Maus tank. Now there is Haus tank! Modern problems need modern solutions.
@@geronimo5537 по аналогии с Маусом в США было разработано такое самоходка Т-29 "Черепаха "с лобовой бронёй в 300 мм.
Its not just for protection but serves as a form of camouflage, in this case it looks like a roof to a garage or house, this could be done to hide in villages definitely from drones (when they arent moving obviously).
Если из под крыши не видно так можно сделать кучу фальшивых танков. В 1941 году при обороне Одессы так и сделали обшив трактора листами металла сделав танки НИ-1 , тоесть На испуг. Румыны действительно испугались.
I wonder if the turtle armour is partly to mess with AI target recognition. By now, any image recognition software being used would have had plenty of training data in recognising different tanks and thus where to hit them. The turtle armour, with their non-uniform designs, could prevent - or at least delay - them being recognised. This could also obscure the specific tank model in use if the same armour design can be used for different tank models and one tank model can use different armour designs. This hampers what intelligence is gathered by the opposition.
That's actually a good point. Not to mention, the tutel's design can be easily reconfigured with little cost.
This may lead to wholesale trashing of garden sheds
@@theelmonk those smug arrogant gardeners have had it good for too long!
AI targeting is still very much in its testing phase. As far as I know, no military has started using it on the battlefield. The tests we know about so far are not very impressive.
@@tylerharris7081 In terms of fully autonomous systems? No, I don't think those are in use. At least, not officially though I wouldn't be surprised if testing is taking place in Ukraine. What I'm talking about are AI assistance - i.e. threat recognition, target tracking, etc.
The A7V Sturmpanzer kampfwagen is reborn!!!
WW1 German tank right? Same thought as mine.
But it's worse than that.
@@soylentgreen6082 how does it feel... being incredibly wrong?
@@soylentgreen6082they took a city with it xd
@@artemefimov8215 Which city?
It is not used as a tank, they reported that it is a t72 with a broken turret rotation mechanism, but it allegedly has a mine clearing tracks, so basically it is a very protected advance support vehicle
Are tanks so cheap that it’s better to convert it into something like this instead of repairing it?
@@RichelieuUnlimited For Russians yes. To repair the tank it would have to be sent back to a factory or a more dedicated facility. Which means a train ride. They're making more tanks all the time. It's easier to convert what's left in the field and use it up. Russians do not care about individual people or things. Everything is replaceable.
@@RichelieuUnlimited Sometimes, it's just more expedient to repurpose damaged equipment, than to send it back to a facility that can affect proper repairs.
@@RichelieuUnlimitedprobably because tanks are so expensive that it’s easier to convert them like this than to repair them. It could also be that they don’t have the parts necessary for the repair.
@@RichelieuUnlimited There are many surplus T72s to refurbish
Makes me think of how the Soviets tried attaching mesh screens to their tanks in WW2 as a defense against Panzerfausts Very little has changed!
Turtle Tank needs a theme song!
TMNT theme song.
Blyatmobil
Blyat Man hardbass.
Steptoe & Son !
Iggy Pop, I am a passenger
Say what you want about this thing but the fact that it made a tour of Krasnogorivka and came back in one piece is pretty damm impressive.
Where the hell was everyone in that town
@@palerewin Shitting themselves in fear.
Seeing that abomination scared them
@@palerewin 3rd Brigade Azov was or is still there but the Russian advance there is getting more and more unrelenting too. There are rumors of Azov refusing to fight there but it's a rumor so take it with a grain of salt.
It aint stupid if it work.
A new War Thunder update : " Track Shack"
If something looks stupid but works then it's not stupid
1:58 i dont know why but it looks so funny to me how there driving it
It's a shy tiny house trying to find its place in this world, please don't laugh at it 👉👈
@@NJ-wb1cz 🤣🤣🤣
ukranian watching a fucking barn charge their position
@@NJ-wb1cz😂
It's a cute tank looking for a few apples
StuG: “You could not live with your own failure. And where did that bring you? Back to me.”
Soviets also had its own family of “turtle” tanks. We just embrace old traditions of “german zoo killers”
Whether it looks stupid or not, as long as it works that's great, just my analysis
Imagine the face on the shop crew’s face when another tank rolls in like that and the tank commander says “yeah we’re here for the squeaky drive wheel on the left can you help us out?”
I like to think the commander stays in the tank while saying it so they guys just hear a muffled echo.
We’re seeing the return of turretless assault guns
Revenge of the turretless
The Turtle tank in Krasna Gorivka was supposed to draw fire on itself in order to reveal Ukrainian positions
Least Armed House in Donetsk.
Hell of a short straw to draw
They threw like 10 drones to it and a couple of artillery shot before the Ukrainians realized that they dont have to focus on the tank and ignored it. Just to wait until the tank returned to bas so they can destroy it! It is rumored you could hear the Ukrainian laughter from outer space!
That's pretty much the point of all tanks doing such assaults, to force the enemy into action. Firepower of tanks isn't really worth their existene anymore. Damage isn't huge and the range is abysmal. And extra armor is always extra armor, no matter how little. Anti Tank weapons are no 100% success when you fire at a tank and every extra layer of whatever dimishes this further. Especially when you force anti tank weaponry to explode earlier and of course absorb energy and disperse it.
@@LegatoOfficial It is literally the official claim next to it also being a mine clearing vehicle
The cope cage has evolved.
They can pretend to be small garages now.
It's evolving in a "cope barn".... 🤣
Props to you for keeping it unbiased :)
Its all fun and games until the shed starts aiming at you!
Lmao
Why is the house moving?
i think the reason why they didn't bother with the situational awareness is probably because this thing is suposed to be used in convoys, being put at the front and jamming any drones that come by while the others on the back take care of anything that's on the side ? just a theory so don't take my word for it.
That's a good point as it was shown at 4:40 taking point position and it's like the following wagons were staying very close (as if to use the protection of the ECM). Normally AFV's keep minimum of 200m gap but they didn't there at all. They were bunched up like 4 fellas doin' a conga line in a gay bar...They were fucking eachother!!!!
The most likely explanation is that (fpv) drones have changed combat so much that everyone has been forced back to the drawing board. Russia has a shit ton of tanks so it would make sense for them to just take some of them and experiment with different modifications to see what works. Slapping a sheet metal cage on it is just an inexpensive way to test out different ideas without having a significant impact on overall operations because again, Russia has a shit ton of tanks. If it doesn't work they lose a few tanks. Big deal. They produce 100 new ones every month. (a luxury Ukraine does not have, which is why they have to be way more careful with what they do with their tanks) Eventually, all these weird inventions and the experience gained from using them, will produce something that is actually effective in countering drones. Once they figure that out they will design a proper production variant modification which they can apply to all of their armored vehicles.
@@WolvesValleyFarm It's so refreshing to find someone with the capacity to think, such as yourself, in the comment section.
@@WolvesValleyFarm Watch everybody make fun of them for it for a month or two, only to start doing the same later down the line.
@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 Yeah, it's like it was with welded gratings, which later appeared in both Ukraine and Israel
Gotta give credit to the Reds , this is actually a good idea . Anything that one thinks might give him an edge is already a positive , even if it doesnt really work
They laughed at Vlad...and now Vlad is in that turtle tank laughing at them.
This reminds me of when our troops used carboard and plywood as add-on armor for their vehicles in the 2017 Marawi City Siege. Perhaps some of you have seen the writings on some of these vehicles such as the "Free WiFi tank". And yes, I'm aware that we did not use proper tanks during the siege; that's just what people like to refer to them as.
It worked for AFP so i guess Russia is tryna do the same
True ingenuity.
2:00 I think the driver was directed by the drone oprator, so it's just a "TAKE THE NEXT RIGHT TURN CYKA" moment.
Takes backseat driving to a whole new level.
They are directed all time in any vehicle The drone operator is route layer and commander
💯
i think it more like " medium left, long, long, long turn in" lmao
@@SonNguyen-tq2po “plz stop Ivan you are breaking the tank, you are breaking the tank!” “Stop telling me how to drive!”
Proof that Marvins killdozer was ahead of it's time:
Eat a whole bag of dongs.
Love your videos man keep it up
There is two other benefit of this over just a mesh. And thats thermal and visual locking of western AT weapons. Systems like the Javelin for example use a visual database. Now these systems are designed to hit armor. Not sheds. The warhead doesn't really "know" that the shed is moving. It just knows its outline so to speak. So someone trying to lock onto it with a Javelin for example can't get a lock. Thats #1. #2 is thermal. This standoff slat cage is not a mesh, meaning anything IR radiating off the tank will hit the inner sides of the cage. Only the mounts are in direct metal contact and transfer heat too it. But then also it acts as a big heatsink with alot of air around it, and metal has a tendency to radiate all its energy faster to the surroundings. Thats why in ambient environments metals are cold to the touch more than other materials. Based on that I conclude that this cage makes it almost invisible to infrared cameras and will just have the same signature as the background. And even if its a little bit warmer, again the system might just see a metal shed which is a false positive and the system wants to avoid it. Imagine a tank in an urban environment and the AT system suddenly locks on to a metal shed close to it. That possibility was trained out of the system. So not only is this thing a shaped charge defense against drones, it also is a pretty good camouflage against guided weapons. The only systems which could defeat this would be semi manual like laser guided or cable, like TOW/Konkurs. Other than that only unguided weapons like NLAW, MAAWS, Carl Gustav, pzF3 would be effective, and you don't see any of those being shot, and also the adjacent BMPs would rip those infantry to shreds very quickly. As I said on another video from someone else. Might look silly, might just be against drones, but it seemingly has a whole other host of benefits hardly any "civilian" thinks about, because not many people know how modern antitank weapons work. And these shaped charge penetrators were tested against parallel plates, which this clearly is not, so the penetrator could even be deflected slightly hitting this thing at an angle, and then be deflected even more hitting the real armor, or even hit a piece of ERA.
Interesting. Thanks for that. 🙂
Shaped charge is also needed to explode on certain range from the armor to maiximze its penetrating power. Having explode early by hitting the cage mean less penetrating power which increase survivability
@@royk7712Well yeah, but I think only very new RPG munitions can even do that. And ontop of that all other modern AT weapons self destruct after a specific distance so there are no duds laying around potentially. I think even the older RPG heads do that. Because with distance it loses to much speed and might not engage the fuse if its too slow. One thing I'd like to know is if our modern tanks use the "space armor" principle". Spacecraft have a kinda hollow armor which is made up of alot of cubes you could say that are diagonal to the outside. So any micro pebbele that hits the spacecraft will be deflected a few times and can even get turned around. Since all that military stuff is so top secret these days, I am fairly certain that is also utilised in tanks. And then filled with composites and rubber to dissipate the energy of penetrators or make them get of course. Shaped charges really are not as great anymore, you really have to hit a weakspot these days. And drone charges are too small anyways, well the UA drones are they barely carry any payload. Its enough to maybe disable a tank, but outright destroy one seems they never do.
So they have prevented topside attacks. The tank tracks are still exposed and a drone attack will make a mobility kill, and therefore a mission kill. The crew can stay aboard if they want to see what Ukrainian artillery can do against a stationary target.
@@frankduncan5685Thats alot of wishful thinking. You can't blow these wide tracks off with a shaped charge. Thats not how shaped charges work. They make a tiny hole of about 1-2 cm diameter in what they hit, and thats it. Its what comes out the other side thats dangerous. So when an FPV drone with a shaped charge hits the track, nothing will happen. Bit of smoke, and the dirt underneath the track will have a puddle of a bit of molten metal. Thats about it.
Welcome back, my beloved friend, A7V
that is a mine clearing tank, that is why it is driving 'erratically'. it is clearing a path. the barn on top doesn't stop the mines but the plow on the front does.
These are not Tanks. These are mine trawls converted from TROPHY damaged Ukrainian tanks. There is neither ammunition nor a full crew inside. Fuel is kept to a minimum; part of the fuel tanks and the free space inside, as far as the chassis' load capacity allows, are filled with sand or brick chips. Everything for maximum survivability under fire in a minefield.
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Lots of WW1 & WW2 vibes
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@@honorguard7616 WW1 and WW2 but with drones.
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That roof protection periority is to hide the visibility from attacker drone. To hide the weak spot from direct hit
This tank has a name - "King Grill". The reason of creation is jammed turret after the serious hit. The owner is not an regular army. You have to make a video about Self-propelled artillery 2S19 - Msta-S with a name "Kosandra". It is fully covered with wooden logs. And if you are familiar with Russian Folklore - you will assosiate it with the "Hut on a chicken legs" :D
1:55 - Russian sources claim the vehicle was dropping off paratroopers into the factory and cover. Which would explain it's incursion, and the turtle cage covering and protecting the troops from all the shrapnel being flinged at the tank from the artillery landing around.
Can't take anything Ru says seriously. It's all just Maskirovka at this point. Makes no sense to drop a single squad off all on its own and completely separated from any replenishment/reinforcements by like 1000 - 2000m of no man's land with 24/7 drone surveillance. My guess would be it's an up-armored mine clearer/probe to test the waters and clear/scout out a path to the factory for potential future mechanized assaults.
@@user-dv7hq2rh4g You need to keep in mind that we only see a fraction of what's going on, just because in one video you can see one tank, doesn't mean on the field is just one tank, we are watching from one lense. But yes Russia, Ukraine, the US, all participate HEAVILLY in propaganda and rhetoric, but it does make sense, if you have to transport infantry, it makes sense to put on a cage to protect them like I said above does it not?
@@user-dv7hq2rh4g "Can't take anything Ru says seriously." Says someone with ukrainian flag on avatar 🤭🥳
That's thin sheet metal, it offers literally zero protection from shrapnel.
@@user-dv7hq2rh4g The things Ukraine says are 2x more hilarious
I think we are seeing Practical Military R&D in real time.
Never underestimate a tanker's drive to survive. Even if it looks foolish, wait never mind. Remember the Sherman? With the added cement armor, which made hits more deadly? Yeah...
I've been saying this...Ukraine Russian War is as close to a non nuclear modern conflict between 2 near peers we seen yet. It has completely thrown all predictions of how modern war would look like out the window.
@@Drownedinblood not really. no airforce used on a true modern scale. Nato power comes from its use of air support. try hiding in the trenches when 6k+ planes swarm around you with missiles so precise they can pinpoint your cigarette 4km away
Just that this is very... very impractical and any country with a good Industry like America would've found a better solution. I.e. APS or Electronic Warfare.
@@Drownedinblood mainly the use of trenches lol
Regarding the field of vision. There is probably no commander in the tank. They can just use it with a driver alone to clear pathways of mines and attract enemy reaction.
there used to be a whole series of vehicles like this, they were called Tank Destroyers, and they were tanks with casemates like these turtles, and the casemates allowed for bigger guns, but it meant they gave up what made turrets useful, the turtle tank can only shoot at what is in front of it or a degree of left or right because it has given up the use of its turret.
No, tank destroyers are nothing like this thing. This is more resembling a battering ram than a tank destroyer.
@@Slav4o911 one of them reminds me of an oversized Hertzer
Wow. We've come full circle with tanks WW1: moving metal barns with csnnons Interwar: small lightly armored things with small cannons WW2: big heavily armored tanks or fast light tanks Cold War: early MBTS with good Armour, speed and big guns 1990-2022: Advanced MBTS that have too much stuff to list on them Now: fast moving heavy metal barns with big cannons
Yes, fast moving heavy metal barns with cannons who's some advanced stuff is broken.
Somehow though the Mk IV had thicker armor.
This aint a tank, it’s an extremely old T-72 with broken turret rotation that is used as a support vehicle, there is no ammo and gunner/commander present, just the driver
Tank is a circle
@@hedgehog3180 yeah it does look like it but i think it was between 10-20 mm of Steel, you could shoot that thing with a T-Gewehr after all. Also the Gun/Machine gun ports had big holes so if you got close enough you could just yeet a grenade in there and that would take care of it.
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It seems the purpose of the one driving around town was Reconnaissance by Combat. Basically getting them to shoot at you as you mark their positions and fortifications for later attack.
This your typical field crafts by engineers to solve a local problem. A great example for the US is the creation of “gun trucks” and the Puff the Magic Dragon during Vietnam. Drones have changed warfare forever and the US is taking notes of how to deal with them effectively in the future.
Battlezone was a prophetic warning from the 80's
Ah, those old vector-graphics games.
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@RedEffect Isn't the turtle armor only used for the mine clearer tank ? I've seen videos of the tanks behind with no armor or just a cage armor. In that case the lack of visibility shouldnt be so critical as the squad vehicles can check the sides. I think is only to protect the mine clearing vehicle , that becomes a primary target in any convoy.
I think in Krasnagorivka the Turtle tank was dropping off troops that might have been on top inside the roof? idk though because it seemed very focused on getting to a certain deep spot in that town.
Spiritual brother of the Killdozer. Later they probably do this for bmp or any transport vehicle. Era of heavy thick armor will return because of drone.
Explanation I saw for the first instance of such a tank on a Telegram channel was that the turret ring was damaged, locking it in one position and was unrepairable. As there are mechanical service centres near the front I imagine someone got the idea to utilise it in some form by covering with this metal sheeting. In one video I saw, it had mine clearing rollers in front.
you don't need side view in this war scenario becuase everything left and right is covered with minefields and traps. those tanks are made to clear paths for further attacks and supply lines for the infantry at the line of fire
Turtle tanks roaming around while Abrahams runs away scared of russian drones.
"I personally wouldn't do it", says the armchair warrior who is not on the frontlines :D
It literally removes any advantage a turret gives you (while keeping all the disadvantages) and means you have worse situational awareness than just about anything.
@@MajinOthinus And?
@@MajinOthinus and this thing isnt even supposed to do the job of a tank, i think that is more than obvious? Its clearly always used as the first vehicle in the collumn to clear mines and jam drones..
@@MajinOthinusIt’s modifies to be a support vehicle, not a tank or Stug thing.
@@niksonrex88 real warfare isnt like warthunder kiddo
I would say it's very useful, and this design will evolve. The tank was being guided by drone, and was basically drawing fire. After that little excursion the Russians would know there was little to no infantryman in the area. They basically turned the tank into an impromptu assault gun.
The main point was to make sure there are no mines. There was an immediate assault along the same path after it came back
@@NJ-wb1cz there yeah go, it's useful.
@@merocainewell people will mock it till they see how useful it is and copy cat the idea
@@NJ-wb1cz i heared its also used as an infantry carrier
Extra armor is ALWAYS extra armor and the only question is, if the drawbacks are worth it. Even against anti tank rounds, every layer of protetion, no matter how small, takes energy from it and disperses it further, reducing the chance for it to destroy the tank even further. And no, anti tank weapons don't have 100% chance to destroy a tank. It's more under 20% per shot. And that in ideal condition. If your extra armor is not even right on the tank, but around it and force certain anti tank weaponry to detonate even sooner, this might cause a much bigger reduction of success rate than that thin piece of metal suggests. It's not like those metal plates are exchanged for the actual armor of the tank - it still exists and will have to handle a smaller impact. Much smaller if the attacking ammunition is forced to detonate sooner.
Meanwhile the farmer when he wakes up and realizes his shed is gone.
Especially if he built his shed out of wrecked tanks he salvaged last year
>cope cages Ahhh, the same cages that definitely were not copied by everyone.
Pretty sure that cameras are mounted with the jammer package on the roof making the turtle tank a massive manned FPV drone.
If anything, situational awareness is probably enhanced with cameras vs. periscopes.
That's the new camo pack, the barn. :)
Please make an update video about the turtle tanks because they seem to get more common and somewhat sucsessful in their tasks
Hold on. I thought shape charges can be sabotaged from forming by such barriers even close to the armor, it's why so many tanks like Armata, T-90, Challenger have them, and indeed why the cope cages are used. In that case, this whole contraption can actually work against shaped charges. Also, I think it's made to deflect regular dropped grenades from drones, which is why the roof is angled. Making side slits into the sheet metal might allow a grenade to roll inside the cage, so maybe that's why they don't make them.
Author said that shape charge penetrate most thin armor plates of the roof, rear and sides of that tank. But even if it will penetrate the after-armor effect will be greatly decreased
The purpose built slat armour kits you see on other tanks work the same way as cope cages designed to cause a shaped charge warhead to detonate before contacting the main armour causing the plasma jet of the shaped charge to have to cross an air gap before it can affect the tank this substantially reduces the effectiveness of older anti tank munitions such as the Milan or RPG 7 but more modern systems have tandem warheads to deal with exactly this problem a secondary charge detonates first driving the main charge through the add on armour before it detonates in contact with the hull. This modification will certainly reduce their vulnerability to cheap lightweight munitions that can be easily mounted on a disposable drone however the huge weight increase and restrictions to the tanks already awful situational awareness have to cause serious problems. I suspect these tanks are barely functional and have been stripped of almost all their internals simply to prevent the suspension from collapsing under the pressure. They are acting as lures probably with only a gunner and driver being commanded remotely by drone with a handful of main gun rounds and using their coaxial machine gun for defence while clearing routes for more functional vehicles and drawing fire from Ukrainian positions. Not a terrible tactic with all the armour they've needlessly lost so far if a bit hard on the poor basterds volentold to drive the bullet magnet.
RedEffect, it might be that for these soldiers, the war entered a phase where the biggest enemy is infantry and FPV drones, so it might be a trade-off that is worth it. Only time will tell, if they proliferate like the 'cope-cages' that ppl made fun of at the beginning of the war (and now everyone is taking seriously), then the trade-offs are probably worth it.
Because that's might the only thing left from Ukrainian Army. They rarely send tank to the frontline again because it got outnumbered anyway, their airforce were also barely exist to provide air superiority
If it works well against drones it's ok. If it doesn't work, they will disappear, it's not more difficult than that. I personally think there are better methods with anti-drones, but they need more development. In the meantime, it's up to everyone to test what they make easily.
Considering it's an engineering vehicle used to breach mine fields and lead the charge, it's doing pretty well. The second version was packed with heavy EW systems under the armor to deal with drones, that might be something that could change the operational capacity of the RU army.
Let me guess, this the phase where NAFO trolls laugh at the "turtle tank" then turn around and praise Ukrainian forces for coming up with a genius idea when they start adopting it. Like the "cope cages".
What is vatnik smoking about
"you are here"
And those nafo trolls are in this room with us?
they laughed at the russians using cope cages but yet, the israelis & ukrainians used them as well. Hypocrisy at it's finest.
@@mote_vengador2832sadly no, too busy laughing at vatniks making idiots of themselves
I was waiting for this video from you!
Another commentator called Willy OAM had an interesting theory. The AI drones Ukraine is developing may get confused as the system would only be calibrated to reconise a certain shape of the Tank or BMP, the house or shed looking structure might not be recognised by the drone especially the early versions, the metal could also change its heat signature to protect against drones using thermal imaging. I reckon the same thing is happening with tyres on the wings in the airbases as the types of drones being launched into Russia usually use a recognition system to reconise the target by heat signature (this may help to prevent jammers as there is no signal being sent between operator and drone). Also the extra armour could be effective aginst shaped munitions as they detonate on impact therefore at least some of the explosive force is absorbed. I'm not a drone expert and I may be wrong about this but this makes some sense to me.
Wud a 6 inch thick metal sheet covering the top of the tank help in protecting against the artillery shells. This sheet goes beyond the dimension LxW of tank n connected via poles welded to the bottom area. So that gun n turret can move freely. How much weight would this 6 inch metal sheet put on the tank is another question.
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The thumbnail gave me such a hearty laugh. I needed it. Thanks Red Effect