How Challenger 2 & Leopard 2 tanks can pack different punches for Ukraine
2023 ж. 26 Ақп.
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Challenger 2 and Leopard 2 tanks are both being donated to Ukraine by Western allies.
During Nato's Exercise Winter Camp in Estonia, Forces News found out more about the tanks and how they compare against one another.
We also found out about Challenger 2's 'secret weapon'!
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A big difference missed: They both use a 120mm main gun, but the challenger uses a rifled gun, the leopard is smooth bore.
For a layman who doesn't have a clue, what difference does that make for the tank firing?
@@thruum9302a rifled barrel imparts a spin on the round to aid in accuracy. Smoothbore won't but you can fire a greater variety of projectiles from a smoothbore..
@@thruum9302 new and better ammunition was developed for smooth-bore 120mm cannons over the years. I believe the rifled cannon on the Challenger 2 was designed with the use of HESH rounds in mind. More flexibility and better shells make rifled guns no longer the ideal choice. The Challenger's is still a great gun, but on their upgrade program for the Challenger 3 the British elected the same Rheinmetal gun found on the Leopard 2.
Do you really think that was missed? That debate started in 1983
@@furtivedig Think the jury is out if the rounds for smooth bore are better than the HESH rounds. HESH round is weird. Its like a sticky bomb and doesn't even penetrate the armour. But yeah, they can't keep up with the innovation and cheap price of the more popular smooth bore rounds. So they have to join the crowd.
Challenger 2 is slightly better for infantry support by destroying fortifications with HESH. Leopard 2 is slightly better for maneuver warfare on soft terrain from lower ground pressure. But both are capable tanks that can get the job done one way or another.
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The ground pressure for Challenger 2 and Leopard 2 are virtually identical at around 0.9kg/s/m^2.
@@danieldach4697 I see nothing to disagree with in your statement, but ... how'd you jump there from ammo type and ground pressure? Worried about mud season in Ukraine?
It's amazing how much a brew helps in difficult situations I've just retired from the British army after 30yrs it can definitely lift your spirits and make you go longer and harder the British armed forces nose this that's why all soldiers are equipped with a brew kit the brew kit is the first thing a soldier thinks off when packing his bergan and it's always put in last so you can get to it straight away like the vid says all our tanks have hot water in them so you can brew up anytime without getting out of the tank
first thing I always thought of was 600 benson and hedges, then ammo, then pr0n, then as many pairs of socks as I could get, then scran, then brew kit went in my webbing inside my mess tins - like pretty much everyone and as per training. Why would you put brew kit in your bergen - you just guarantee you won't have it when your're out in fighting order?
Nicotine patches use less space and eliminate signaling position to all enemies with the glow at night. Even chewed tobacco causes more distraction than a patch that can provide the same effect.
@@stupidburp if you have a cr2 beside you, I can't imagine the glow of a cigarette will make much difference to anyone with any sort of TI or II device.
imagine being in the Challanger 2 and discovering a cache of chicken and mushroom pot noodle
A motivated British crew would destroy Russian army with a 1/2 dozen tanks. Russians are so exposed as incompetent in this war.. Corruption killed their military.
I guess we are about to find out if Challenger 2 can maintain its undefeated record in combat.
How the Russians don't capture one if it breaks down.
@@grahamthebaronhesketh.lans have already been put in place they aren't allowed to be near frontlines or in any battle zone in which they may be captured. If they are disabled by Russian attack the Ukrainians are to destroy it and if they can't a Private Security Contractor is on Standby to recover it/them in the conflict zone.
We will lose some if not all but they have to go
@@realitygaming4088 Lol OK gamer :D
@@realitygaming4088 If only things were that organized.
Incredibly capable machines. FV4034 Challenger 2: Equipped with a Royal Ordnance rifled cannon and a 7.62mm coaxial chain gun. Fires high explosive squash-head (HESH) accurately at long range. It is an excellent general purpose munition that severely damages or destroys most targets it will hit. It’s depleted uranium armour-piercing fin-stabilised discarding-sabot (APFSDS) is a kinetic energy weapon with excellent range and adequate lethality against highly armoured targets like tanks. 49 rounds ammunition capacity. Hydropneumatic for easy maintenance and a smooth level firing platform. ‘Dorchester’ composite armour is the toughest in the world and proven in battle. Independent panoramic commander sight with ‘hunter killer’ capability. Thermal observation and gunnery sight (TOGS) for gunner. Exhaust smoke generator. 1200hp Perkins CV12 for adequate speed. 63-75tonnes 340 miles range Tea equipped.☕️ Leopard 2A7: It is equipped with a Rheinmetall 120mm smoothbore cannon and an MG 7.62mm coaxial machine gun. Fires high explosive anti-tank (HEAT) with moderate range for its secondary ammunition for general purpose use with moderate lethality and APFSDS for armour targets with excellent lethality. 42 rounds ammunition capacity. Torsion bar suspension. Laminate armour with adequate protection. Independent panoramic commander sight for hunter killer capability including thermal imaging for gunner and commander. 1500hp MTU diesel for excellent speed. 66.5tonnes. 170 mile average range. No tea.
Will the export version be equipped with the fancy armour?
@@edsalt5281 Challengers will have the in theater armour pack
The speed thing is a myth. Most tank crews don't go barrelling along at red-line speed. That just runs you into minefields and ambushes, as well as burning all your fuel. And don't be fooled. Challenger 2 produces more torque at over 3040ft/lb than the M1A2 at around 2700ft/lb. It's not about speed. It is more than capable to exceeding its published maximum speed and crossing any terrain.
The irony of interviewing a guy called Polley about putting the kettle on...😂
Adding a tea maker is probably the most British thing you can do to a tank.
I cannot understand why other forces, especially in the north, haven't copied the brewing vessel. Having ready access to hot water for either drinks or for making food inside the vehicle is truly fantastic for not only morale but in keeping up combat capabilities. I can't tell you how many times in training we had to basically use lukewarm water to make quick rations and then carry on since it takes ages to boil water in -20 C weather, not to mention you're exposed to the elements all the while.
cause there is not much of a tea drinking culture like in the UK.
Some vehicles do have them, because cold rations suck and chemical ration heaters are bad to use in small confined spaces.
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 yeah but it doesn't mean other countries couldn't do with some, it does do ration afterall and whose to say you couldn't make coffee with it. I say it's a win and the Ukrainians will definitely appreciate having them.
@@harrisonnightingale6600 Leopard 2, like Leopard 1, has a power plug for 24V brewing vessels, but the Bundeswehr retired them from service in the 80´s, as they drained the turret batteries in stand by operation. With the integration of the APU on A6M this could be reintegrated, but as our guys never were on week long excercises like Reforger or deep winter excercises after the late 1990´s, why install them? Brewing a coffee is always better over a proper propane/oil stove with proper coffee and thats what the german tankers are doing.
@@zhufortheimpaler4041, it’s not all about tea, can also heat your rations.
I understand a Challenger 2 in Iraq threw a track and was stranded. The Iraqis fired something like 14 RPG rounds at the immobile tank to no effect. I can see the tank crew in there going, "one lump or two?" It will be interesting to see them up against whatever the Russians throw at them, provided the Ukrainians use them properly.
The Abrams has plenty of similar incidents, but sadly you can't drink tea while you just wait out all the RPG warheads.
Imagine bragging about your tank being able to withstand old PG-7V with 250mm penetration.
One of the Challenger 2s was frontally penetrated by an Iraqi RPG29 and the driver was seriously wounded.
And 6 hours later it was back in action.
and a milan anti tank missile.....they were sat inside having tea.....
Eh, you cannot really compare tanks just from looking at the spec sheets. At first I doubt that anyone knows the "exact" penetration values for each round like DM63 or L27A1. Same goes for armor. No one, at least no one that is not in the military and working with these vehicles on a daily basis, knows "how thick" the armour actually is or how much protection in mm it provides against KE or Chemical rounds. Rifled guns (C2) or smoothbore gun (Leopard 2) have their ad- and disadvantages. It is kinda hard to compare that because it heavily depends on the circumstances. That goes for almost every other aspect of these tanks. And actually it doesnt even matter. All that matters is that the tanks perform good on the battlefield, fullfill their mission and bring the crew back home safely. Challenger 2 already proofed that it is capable of doing so, Leopard 2 still has to achieve that. And I am German, so I am a bit biased.
well, "actually" there are alot more disadvantages to a rifled gun than to a smoothbore gun. and we know very sure that the CR2´s rifled gun is significantly less capable than the Leopard 2A4´s gun. We can compare known penetrator size´s and weight, propellant charge size, weight and volume, known muzzle velocity and stats of the gun like caliber, caliber/length ratio etc. Challenger 2 uses an L/55 120mm rifled gun. meaning that its barrel is 55x120mm -> 6.6m long. The longer the gun barrels the longer the projectile gets accelerated by the expanding explosion of the propellant charge (up to a certain point, with the 120mm its around 55x120mm), meaning the L/44 of Leopard 2A4/A5 (barrel length about 5.28m) provides less effective energy of the propellant charge to the projectile as the gun of challenger 2. Knowing that and comparing DM13A1 and L23A1 APFSDS Projectiles in size, weight and volume, we see that both fit similarly large propellant charges and both penetrators have roughtly similar weight and dimensions. DM13A1 has a higher muzzle velocity than L23A1 and a similar or better penetration to L23. (there have been some documents from the 1980´s leaked with data on both rounds evaluations) The 20% longer rifled gun has roughly the same performence to the shorter smoothbore gun. From DM33 onwards and with the introduction of the L/55 smoothbore this disparity has just gotten more extreme, as now the smoothbore has the same length and a significantly more powerful projectile with DM53, that has around 20% more power than the current L27A1 APFSDS for Challenger 2
Like aircraft ,the crew ,their training and support also count . The ultimate important thing is who sees who first .
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 Either way I would not want to be on the receiving end of any of those tanks.
@@SimDeck thats true, but if would rather be hit by a Challenger 2 firing L26A1 apfsds than by a Leopard 2A6 firing DM53, when sitting in a T-90M. vs the Challenger 2 the chances of surviving the hit are significantly higher than vs the leopard 2.
A tank with a kettle is the best. We all know wars are won by countries that drink tea during a battle.
Haha.... what's that statistic? ..... 80% of survival is mental!! A hot cuppa, a quick hot meal and hot water for washing...an absolute must!
Challenges secret weapon has got to be a kettle 🤣
Challenger 2 and Leopard 2 are in the same class and are broadly very similar to one another. They're both modern 21st Century main battle tanks in the 60 tonish weight class. They are bigger, better armed (certainly more accurate) and definitely better armored than the kinds of tanks Ukraine has already - and also than the Russian tanks they will be up against. Compared to each other, the most important difference is surely that Leopard 2s are used by lots of countries and there are a lot more of them. So Leopard 2 individual units, spare parts, maintenance and ammunition will be far more plentiful.
Not these Leopards/Challengers. For example the leopard 2A4 being sent has worse protection and only 1st gen thermals compared to the most common Russian tank, T72B3 which has second gen thermals. Not to mention tank on tank fights are rare in this war and these tank would be going against kornets and drones
Ah, that's a good point. Do we know which Leopard 2s are being sent? I had the impression that it was a mix of 2A4s and more modern ones and that they might be upgraded to a similar level before being sent. What about the Challenger 2s - are the ones being sent the most recent ones?
@@magnuslauglo5356 No, the technology can’t be captured. It’s mostly old 1980s/1990s tanks with little hope against modern Russian tanks. Even though the6 will rarely fight other tanks
@@winstonchurchill8491 Maybe send old tech, but in the case of Challenger at least that would seem an odd choice, most of them are scheduled to be upgraded to Challenger3, new turret, gun, optics, thermals, armour - pretty much everything except the basic tank hull is down for an upgrade, and as no one else operates Challenger2 why save the current parts that will never be reused, cost storage fees and take up space? Infact getting rid of all the ammo and spares for Challenger2 will probably do British MoD a favour.
@@paidwitness797 Dosent matter
How was it that I knew he was going to say that the boiler/ Kettle thing was the secret weapon of all thing🤣
Leopard 2 does not have any brewing kit for tea, they just drink German beer.
Needs a keg chiller
German generals are rumoured to be served beer in the field, sometimes as far away as 50km to the nearest Bierkeller, in a half litre jug placed on a little platform attached to the end of the Rheinmetall barrel 😉
*We can bicker all we want about whether the British or the German tank is better but I think what is most important is that they are both better than the Russian’s tanks.*
So they got a 120mm Killkannon with a 7.62mm shoota bolted to the side on the front of the turret. Then they also got a Snazzgun bolted to the roof. Got it.
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lifta droppas would be handy too
Although normally quite an informative channel, this video was a complete waste of time.
Almost every British vehicle has one or 2 BV's. Even the open top unarmoured Jackle and Coyote have a BV
Great secret weapon. Never underestimate a good old brew in challenging situations. 👍🇬🇧
As long as a Brit's got his cuppa, he'll figure a way over, under, or through whatever other obstacles arise :-)
Leopards or challengers, they all burn the same
Never underestimate the power of the hot drink.
I'd rather operate inside the Challenger 2 tank any day. Its armor is far more impressive than the leopard 2.
The Challenger 2 can make tea. Winner: Challenger 2.
I would have thought the effectiveness of both would depend as much, if not more, on considerations around air superiority and intelligence as the tank design details.
gun sight , gun, armour effectiveness and mobiity are what matters most in a tank - everything else "combined arms" applies to every platform.
@@nickb2179 I designed air-to-ground and ground-to-ground anti-armour weapons, no tanks survive unless they are protected appropriately. Apparently the Turkish Leopards crashed and burned, but that doesn't greatly surprise me if anti-armour weapons had unrestricted opportunities to attack them. Of course, some designs do better than others, but they will all be destroyed without the correct mix of assets..
Would like to see a comparison
The state of the British Army's tank stocks is dangerously low. The Challenger III is an excellent tank, in my opinion, the best all round all purpose tank after Merkava IV (with its 2022 upgrades). The UK must get its skates on and ramp up production. It really has no choice. By the way, there is quite a lot of Israeli technology in the Challenger III including its automatic protection system. You must look after your most important asset first. That's the tank crews!
The situation in Ukraine shows how unwise it is to build small numbers of an unusual tank though. We should just get the common tank so the logistics become easier.
@timmurphy5541 I would partially agree. All NATO tanks should be capable of firing the same type shells but in war, different type tanks are sometimes advantageous. It gives you options against shortcomings of one. However, wben it comes to 🇺🇦 Ukraine I 100% agree. You give the Ukrainians what they want and that's Leopard IIs
Challenger one was are best on tank kill
Challenger is a beast seen first hand
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These are the silliest points of comparison I have ever seen. Obviously the reporter did not know anything.
Challenger 2 comes fully equipped with British Standard rifled tea bags 😀
Sort of unrelated; I find it interesting that a lot of Germans and Scandinavians are learning English with an American accent instead of a British accent.
He almost sounded Canadian.
American culture is looked up to and admired by a lot of countries especially Western countries. It’s been that way for quite a long time but I have noticed the younger generations in the UK and Europe are becoming more and more Americanized every day.
@@Noah-ez2xd I am not sure if looked up to and admired are the right words for it. I think it is simply that American media is much more prevalent now as opposed to UK media like television and film.
Not much of a comparison, really.
Trust me they were touching lightly on this subject the challenger doesn’t compare to the Leopard at all which is very annoying Britain could have done so much better…
At least Challenger 3 will have a smooth barrel at last ,-)
@@chrisbacon3071utter nonsense.
@@Ukraineaissance2014 What Do You Mean "utter nonsense."???
@@malsurvives Yeah I know but it will be in-service in 2025 to 2030 and by then will be outdated...
They can disguise as different tractor confirmed
Drinking hot tea while blasting bad guys. Gotta love it!
The chap with the Leopard 2 sounds really Canadian.
He’s speaking English with an American accent it just sounds Canadian I guess. Most foreigners think Canadians are American because Canadians are extremely influenced by American culture.
Leave it to the Brit’s to put a built in tea kettle Us Americans and our tanks- We want armor guns, and a jet engine on our tank Germans- efficiency, practicality, survivability Brit’s- I say, put the kettle on 😂 Gotta love our Brit allies (they really are good)
Best Allies you Seppo's have ever had!
Challenger 2 wins, it has the ability to make tea
The Challenger's 'boiling vessel' made me choose it over a Leopard tank...
Imagine small batallions of combined leopards, abrams and challengers taking out rusty t72's
Tech specs: The Leopard 2 is.. you know.. like.. comfortable.. you know.. good.. in snow and stuff.. and with very .. like super-very good armor 👌
Both burnt just fine😂
So the Challenger appears to have the edge over the Leopard on tea. Not being British, I have to ask how they compare on coffee.
A very nice comparison of 2 tanks that are not earmarked to go to Ukraine. It is the Leopard 2A4 and Leopard 2A6 that was sent to Ukraine not the more advanced Leopard 2A7. The Challenger 2 is going to the Ukraine but without its external armour packs as they use reduced core Uranium in them. Anything with uranium in it can't be sent to Ukraine including ammunition.
The best tank in that environment is the one with the best heater 😂. They are both good tanks in their own right.
Can imagine it now, loads of Ukrainian troops lined up next to a challenger 2, waiting to get a cup of tea.
The kettle 😭 lol
But that challenger has some tough armour
reupload? seen those exquisite tea making facilities before
i have to admit teh simplicty of just using kinetic rounds for the leopard but when you read more the choise to use HESH... which you could use at longer range against lighter targets..... the writing is on the wall for hesh if the enemy actually had up to date armour oh and of course if you are in the challenger 2 you can make pot noodles, a traditional British food
Affective range of a vehicle mounted gpmg is 1100m - 1200m due to tracer burn out.
British Army just need a teapot on caterpillar with stabilized spout , apparently .
Regardless of the differences between the two both are well capable of doing the job at hand however, our Challengers trump over most I'd think given its got a kettle for the crew so they can casually have a cuppa whilst laying down some rounds onto enemy targets. In terms of armour though...If I remember, the Challenger is more armoured? or better armoured? But hey, hope we keep that record of not losing a tank in battle.
Definitely the brew vessel wins every time
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Biggest difference is hot tea.
No doubt both of these tanks won’t perform well but my problem is logistics it will be harder to provide for different tanks really you should stick with one tank. My favourite tank is the challenger but really they should stick with the leopard as they will be using them a lot more. As most countries in Europe use them.
You watch them win on morale boost because of our on board kettles 😂
What's the protocol when a crew member needs the toilet? Are there temporary facilities on board when it's not possible to get out and go?
i would take the tank that has not been destroyed myself personaly.i value my life and a tank that old thats not been took out yet in any fight seems to be the tank for me.if leo had the same stats in safety i would pick that,not being an expert on any tanks etc.
Got to have a BV, it's worth it's weight in gold !
No BV no war 😎
no dictators no war
no Putin, no war..
BV goes down tank goes down! It's a dominio effect the whole brigade goes down!
It burns nice tooo...
Lets go guys ,not still stand Ready to Fight
I feel british bias here... The Leopard has an immersion heater for your tea ;)
well, that was thin. The most substantive point was that the Brits were supplied with tea in order to ensure maximum effectivity (only slightly kidding)
Ukraine will get Leopard 2A4s, 2A5s and 2A6s, so why are they showing a Leopard 2A7 in the video?
Thats the oldest one in the Danish army.
One has a machine gun and one has a coffee machine (🚜⬅️I don't have a tank, sorz)
Love the jargon "KE" targets and "CE" targets. :) I guess "Fin" or "APFSDS" is not much better than KE, perhaps "anti armour" and "other" instead of "CE". I note no discussion rifled vs smooth bore, re three piece ammunition vs one piece (resulting in a shorter APFSDS perpetrator) or other technical conversation.
well that was chock full of info!
Challenger has the boiling vessel 🤣🤣
Bolth mbt leopard and challenger where designed for the same job
WTF is up with the horrible "music in this video" ?
Recently, the Russians are reactivating their T-62 and T-54 tanks, so the HESH ammunition will be useful in this scenario. I mean why waste expensive sabot rounds where you have something which is even cheaper than the T-54 tanks?
Let’s not get too excited. You’ve sent 14 of them.
28 now :)
Give them some Leclercs too!
1:06 *Don't tell 'em Pike !*
I would concerned about the range and the tech to find an enemy. If an enemy is attacking from the air it has little chance and if drones from a mile away it likely cannot reach that counter target nor even find them.Then I hav to wonder about how long a tank can withstand an attack on itself or while engaging how long before it has to leave and get more ammo and would that passage leaving even be safe. I would not feel safe at all in a tank not one bit.I would also not feel safe on a ship however in a fighter jet only if I know I have a chance to fly under over detection. IMO the number one thing a military needs is high tech the ability to detect signals and find an enemy quick to counterstrike.
Will definitely be interesting to see which tank is more successful however I do believe they will both be equally successful in different ways. The challenger 2 is slightly less capable in terms of armour but in the current conditions in Ukraine I think the challenger 2 will become very effective. The challenger 2 of corse lacks a smoothbore gun however it does have access to HESH which is very effective against buildings and arguably more effective against APCs than even APSFDS. Where the challenger 2 will suffer is against armoured threats. Even russias older APSFDS munitions can penetrate the hull of challenger 2 with ease. For these engagements the Leopard 2 will have a slight advantage with access to DM 63 and possibly 73. Although we don’t know for sure, Leopard 2s armour is slightly better than that of the challenger 2. Overall the challenger 2 will be best suited to infantry support roles in suburban and urban environments and the Leopard 2 will be best suited to more open spaces where armoured combat has been most prevalent in Ukraine.
Thermals my friend, none of the ones being sent have 2nd generation thermal imagers, while t72b3 does
I'm sure the sabot round will go through both the chally and leo hulls where the western tanks will shine is distance! a chally and leo both have greater range and accuracy so as long as they can spot first it should be a win, HESH is also good against armour it knocks a big scab of metal off of whatever it hits sending the scab rattling inside the tank and doing damage also has a very good range as speed doesnt effect HESH so even at further distances the HESH has the same effect, same goes for HEAT both are mean tanks and will do well however numbers let them down they need more quantity to see a properly desired effect.
@@chris.312 Not really. Western tanks being sent have worse thermals and APFSDS. These are 90s tanks not modern ones
Armour is not the thing I would've chosen the chally 2 to be less capable in. Dorchester is still the most advanced tank armour used currently. If there's one main area the Chally 2 has a weakness, it's in shot power and that it doesn't fire general Nato munitions. They also have less speed and manoeuvrability than the Leopard 2. But they have better armour, shot distance, and shot accuracy Hence why the Chally 2 is more concentrated on infantry support, whilst the Leopard is built for larger Tank of tank manoeuvres
@@winstonchurchill8491 t72b3 has thermals sure but loads of captured t72s have been proven to have unused thermals with the grease wrapping still on the thermal imaging sights. The weapon systems are only as good as their operators. Conscript armies aren’t going to be as good as trained tankers.
More importantly, can they work together?
the challenger will be the better option for attacking entrenched positions and defending but the leo will be the better option for tank on tank due to being able to field more modern rounds
Ah yes against 50 year old tanks that have never fought against anything modern before
@@ripoutyourintestines5099 and?
@@Cheese_Boi1986 therefore it shouldn’t matter what’s used. Keep up.
That's the Danish Leopard, currently the most upgraded version of that tank.
1 thing is common. Both will leave a mass of destroyed Russian tanks.
no music please
The British tank is a perfect infantry tank because of the long range hesh round and the armor the german tank is great tank killer with its speed and longer range gun
The Challenger and Leopard serve very different purposes.
The Leopard turns Russian tanks into Swiss cheese, the Challenger is a superbly armored kettle.
I thought the tea maker was just a joke 😆
If their is no tea. ? Their will be one less crew member ! 😁😁😁😁😁
Friendly competition...lol. Ukraine can have several tabk battkions using skilled drivers who prefer one or the other...
I hope the UAF utilise these tanks in a sensible way and not just use them as mobile artillery, burning through ordnance at a collosal rate and wearing out the barrels. If any of these western tanks are to be used for the defence of Kyiv it would make most sense to use the Challengers, as a separate shipment all the way to the Eastern front lines of ammo that is not compatible with the Leopards for just a dozen tanks would be a poor use of logistics.
C'mon, @forcesnews you can do better then that.
Jordan just retired their Challenger 1s, why not exchange other hardware that fits their needs in exchange for these tanks to send to Ukraine? Kenya operates 33 T-72Ms and Nigeria operates 25 recently overhauled T-72M1s, perhaps Challenger 1s could be offered to Kenya & Nigeria in exchange for these tanks so that they could be sent to Ukraine.
Nectar of the gods, fuelling the British empire , her armies and her tanks.... delicious ,hot... tea. Time to put the kettle on...Next year this time.... Tea and crumpets in Moscow
Gotta have the tea
Surprise they don’t just use Metal tracks in the snow.
Rubber track pads were only designed to stop our tanks wrecking German roads, might be a good idea to remove them for combat on soggy ground as the pads tend to make the tracks slide and not grip properly! I used to be on Chieftain in BAOR, they bogged if you looked at them wrongly as the engine was pretty weak in the wrong hands.
I have long wondered if the rubber pads made a tank perform better on roads
Everyone gonna forget Bradley and Abrams?!
Bradley is not a tank. Abrams won't arrive in 2023.
Automatic. Track. Tensioning.
Tanks have evolved to such an extent that the differences between MBTs are not that great, except for Russia, which, as someone said at the end of the Cold War, is like Upper Volta with nukes. The only thing that seems to have changed is that Upper Volta is now Burkina Faso.