2024 Draft EDGE Rankings | Chris Simms Unbuttoned (FULL Ep. 601) | NFL on NBC
Draft rankings continue on the defensive side, as Chris (@CSimmsQB) reveals his top EDGE rusher prospects. Ahmed (@ahmedNBC) has your questions and wonders why there seems to be more of a consensus each year with this position. #NFL #ChrisSimmsUnbuttoned #NBCSports
(0:00) Welcome to the show
(3:35) Look at last year: what did Chris miss with Will Anderson?
(9:35) Edge scouting: Why evaluating pass rush prospects is more straightforward than other positions
(20:20) #1 Dallas Turner (Alabama)
(33:20) #2 Laiatu Latu (UCLA)
(44:40) #3 Jared Verse (FSU)
(55:25) #4 Chop Robinson (Penn St)
(1:06:45) Others Receiving Votes: A handful of players were in the running to be Top 5: Austin Booker (Kansas), Chris Braswell (Alabama), Jonah Eliss (Utah), Marshawn Kneeland (Western Michigan), Bralen Trice (Washington)
(1:20:20) Draftkings: Who will be the first defender drafted?
(1:23:40) Sleepers: Jalyx Hunt, Mohamed Kamara get some Robin Hood love
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2024 Draft EDGE Rankings | Chris Simms Unbuttoned (FULL Ep. 601) | NFL on NBC
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A diamond in the hay stack! 😂😂
Someone give me the time stamp 😂😂
Laiatu Latu is a blue chip pass rusher in this class and I don’t care what anyone else says.
Super dangerous pass rusher. Power just isn't his game so hopefully he can figure that out to avoid struggling against elite tackles. Brett Kollmann has a good video from today that breaks down his game
He’s my #1
He has significant neck injury, which teams will have to account for.
At least you have an open mind.
@@bilalmallick8428 you’re absolutely right
Chris Simms makes English fun to listen to, such creative use of phrases. I love it.
Diamond in the haystack amused me
RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT
Diamond in a haystack is wild.
I love the content Chris simms stay away from Florio 😂
NBC stay away with comments about Chris not having discussions about non football related topics
The best thing that ever happened to PFT Live is Chris Simms. But Florio makes it almost unwatchable. His shrill voice and his grievances stuff are just embarrassing. Florio needs a show like Crossfire. He is not a journalist and not a good analyst. He's terrible. BUT (credit where it is due), Florio is the best at breaking down contracts and NFLPA stuff (and collective bargaining agreement, etc.). But he's unwatchable. I think his wife agrees, based on Florio's own stories about their relationship, which ... we don't need to hear about. Ever.
@@JasonMcClainEvolved you can't be spitting facts like this. It's rude.
💯 spot on Florio needs Simms- NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND
I think Florio owns PFT unfortunately 😂
Dallas Turner has a 6'11 wingspan! That's crazy! He's 6'2! 🤯
You just blew me away too!!!
Really???? Wtf!!!!
Lots of basket ball guys have INSANE wingspans...look at some of those and be blown away at the literal freakaziod wingspans some of those guys have
Definitely enjoy these ranking videos… keep them coming CS! Well done 🍻
Great show - really enjoy the rankings / lights up the draft viewing
I don't think I have the ability to count the number of times I have to say "PAUSE" when SimMs describes a player. 😂
“He’s rocked up.. everywhere” Simms gotta chill 😂😂. Will explain a man’s body like no other lmao
I did not expect you to love Latu. Glad to see it
Chris doesn’t realize that Tyree Wilson was the projection, Will Anderson had great tape, great production, and just solid athletic numbers. For all the talk in this episode, he seems to have totally missed that lesson.
solid point, i largely agree but imo Wilson will be greater than Anderson. Anderson is a pro’s pro who will be damn good but Wilson can be a true game wrecker, can’t be left alone
@@NathanRhwmf That’s a possibility. He has dominant talent and size you can’t teach. However, his college film was largely underwhelming and his production was pedestrian. That doesn’t mean he can’t become a great pro. But I would take Anderson over him every time. I see him very similarly to Terrell Suggs. A little smaller, a little more athletic, but a similar style of play. Reliable from day one with room to grow.
@@smyers9052 i liked Anderson more myself, for what little that’s worth. Are you trying to draft the best player or are trying to keep your job mindsets
@@NathanRhwmf Yea in this case I think it comes down to two things: How do you see the players respectively, and what’s your risk tolerance.
@@smyers9052 true some teams are largely ready and are looking for a piece or two to set them apart while others need solid structure and if they miss they lose. thanks for not being the typical bot with your comments dude, respect
the best part about that sack leaders the last 3 seasons is that TJ Watt was hurt for a solid portion of one of those seasons.
Best Edge in the NFL for sure…dude could have 3 dpoy’s also. Got robbed by Gilmore for sure and his stats and impact in 2020 vs Donald are really comparable
Chris is the producers or whoever at NBC ask you all not to have a long discussion about non football topics please open the next pods that week with talks about your life, family, food, bud, booze, or butts. anyone watching this pod cares more than enough, let alone they skip through to the marked (should be by NBC through youtube) location on the video where the pod starts or NBC can put a graphic up after the intro stating when the football in depth starts. i care as much about you as i do football, kinda bothers me when i hear things like this from NBC to their most valued employee
@ChrisSimms would love for an unbuttoned episode talking about the “possible” future of NIL money on the NFL draft. At what point (level of NIL pay) do athletes start saying “I choose the team I play on in the NFL” and totally change the futures draft going forward? Sorry long question but I am curious if/when elite & rich athletes start dictating their own future and avoid poorly run teams that won’t protect them as players?
Great read fellas 👏🏾
I could see Latu going to Detroit and being a real problem in the NFL with Hutch.
I love simms and will always value his analysis. In regard to Will Anderson, I think this is sometimes where he needs more context within his film deep dive. It’s not always easy to gather that in his position, but what Bama was asking of Anderson does matter quite a bit. So even going back to older tape or getting more intel can help his rankings and projections because I think he knows what he’s talking about.
Simms, thanks for all you do man. Been listening since BR days and these draft rundowns are a highlight of my football year. Size questions for you...at Edge, how much is height a limiting factor? Is a 6'1" guy like Kamara risky because of that?... Similar question at box safety, can a Cooper DeJean sized guy hold up in a box SS role? What's SS size threshold?Need to know for my Packers, thanks!
I get Turner, Jarod Verse is my top w/`Turner.....Thanks, appreciated.
Darius Robinson?
Ranked as a DT.
Glad that you had a change of heart w Will Anderson. He's my favorite college player ever and I knew that he was going to kick ass at the pro level.
Dang I don’t to watch Alabama bunch. What is it about him?
Excited for Dallas! Sorry to see him leave Bama ♥
Going by the highlight tapes, my order would be: ¹ Laiatu Latu ² Jared Verse ³ Dallas Turner ⁴ Chop Robinson
Just rushing the passer? Or total DE?
@@samelmudir both. Most edge rushers/DE can play with their hands in the dirt or standing up nowadays anyway. Which all 4 of those guys can. Watch their film. They all can do both.
Will Anderson was the clear #1 last year to anyone with eyeballs. Chris was just trying to be cute. (again)
I love it Pac-12 was one of the strongest conferences this year with a lot of great offenses and they're talking about "I don't want to hold his conference against him". (Speaking about Latu) So he had his most productive year against the Pac-12 at its peak and that somehow could be construed as a bad thing. 🤣
Pac 12 plays zero defense
If you do go over this again please do not forget that Madubuike was a 3rd round pick and was a leader in overall sacks and pressures being a DT
#1 on my list is Tyree Wilson
You can't find a diamond in the rough edge rusher in the late rounds?!?!? Richard Dent, anyone? Super Bowl MVP, Hall of Famer. It may be rare, but it can happen.
No Darius Robinson even within the top 5-10?
upon looking him up i wonder his thoughts as well
He’s a physical specimen but he’s really raw. Not as good as other guys film wise
@@zawarudozahandozadusto9626 not going to argue that to much much other than felt like he was in that same group as the other guys he listed. Ive seen 2-3rd round grades mostly.
@@zawarudozahandozadusto9626 Eh, he's better than Chop Robinson on film imo.
Darius had 9 sacks against some good Tackles. I think he’s actually got pass rush moves and understands how to use his length
PLEASE let Will McDonald turn out to be at minimum an above average player. If Bryce Huff continues to put up numbers in f’n Philadelphia and he’s not contributing in a meaningful way Joe Douglas WILL feel the heat radiating from the fan base.
Simms is a good dude!
This is what the Panther Fans have been waiting for
I like Kneeland a lot. I would really like him a lot more if he had more than 4 sacks last season at Western Michigan. I know stats don’t really tell the whole story when it comes to pass rush but I like to see a player dominate weaker competition.
Not hot on the DE class. Dallas turner doesn’t pop on tape and is undersized. How’s that’s going to work?
Turner reminds me of all pro Dwight Freeney in terms of build, but clearly doesn't have the equivalent skill set (yet). Height isn't everything. Being shorter gives you better leverage.
🙌🙌 Chris Simms 🙌🙌
I love love love the show. But the podcast version is borderline unlistenable with ads every 5 mins.
Talking about the top sack artists last 3 years, the ones that weren't 1st rounders have (almost - hendrickson/judon) played with other great great rushers. Those ones doing it "alone" deserve maybe more respect?
Absolutely. Danielle Hunter had no one to help him the first half of last season. The 2nd half, depth rotational players improved and showed up more, but they were no where near Everson Griffen level, who Hunter played with the first half of his career. Texans got themselves a good one. (Side note, Hunter only had 3 sacks his last year at LSU, which is why he dropped to round 3, but that was due to how LSU used him.)
As someone who used to live in ny, currently resides in ct and works in nj, i get those pizza reference down. Ct loves pizza and new haven specific is ranked top in the nation. Its beloved by locals but if youre used to a pie like joe’s, theres too much difference to the one served by sally’s or frank pepe’s. I also dont get the hype on colony’s pizza and why its raved about the local community, its not bad, but not different experience people talk it up to be
Like it but 19 min into the video and we have yet to talk about one guy.
Chris finally has a list people wont give him shit for lmao
I wish one of these guys would play running back just for fun.
When you say Dallas Turner's athleticism is "off the charts," you are literally showing us where he fits ON the charts.
That's your fault for taking a non-literal statement as literal.
Y'all skipped over Trey Hendrickson a ton of times. He was second in sacks last year and 5th last three years combined, also wasn't a first rounder and didn't break out until year 4
Maaan, if only if Chop had a pass rush plan, i could see him falling out of the 1st. In the 3rd round, I'd have to take a swing at him.
Latu can definitely come to New Orleans
The U Mas Tackle is a MUMMMMY
1:58 six pieces?! WHAT?! In my "prime" i was 5'7 160 and was playing basketball/baseball/football.. my friends and i would go to little caesars and buy a $5 hot n ready each for our selves and smash the entire thing! 😆 cmon Chrissy! But now? Yeah, no, now... 2 slices? If i smoke maybe ill get a 3rd later that night? But the next mornig......😅 LMFAO i needed to just wait slightly longer to hear my fellow Michigander doing the same damn thing.
Hot n readys wasnt even a thing when i was a kid and im 33 how old is this guy 😂
Bought them for my (now adult) children younger than you bruh.
I was wanting for this! That whole will Anderson jr. Is the 5th best edge rusher didn't age well huh chris?😅. I thought it was a ridiculous take in the first place smh. He was clearly the best defensive player the country for 2 straight years at alabama and it wasn't even close. How did miss that? What tape were you watching. 8 see lesson was learned by having dallas turner at 1# My favorite player in this draft.
It’s still early Wilson and Van Ness McDonald have barely played
Why don't you show highlights of the things you're talking about?
Very few farmers encounter a diamond in their haystacks. Maybe in South Africa though? 😂
Chop Robinson reminds me of K’Lavon Chaisson - All speed with below average strength; better college player than pro
Latu is my number 1 edge
Simms had Hutchinson in front of Walker
In Chop Robinsons defense I’ll compare his measurables to Von Miller. Texas A&M back then was still in the Big 12. At the combine Von Miller measured 6’2 5/8’’ tall so Chop is taller than Vonn. They are both listed as 6’3’’ because it’s closer to that than to 6’2’’. Miller weighed in at 246 lbs. he is listed as 250. So Chop weighed more than Von did at 254. Miller has 33.5 inch arms so they are an inch longer than Chops. Miller ran 4.53 and Chop 4.48 so Chop is faster. Millers 10 yard split was 1.62 Chops was significantly better at 1.54. Chops hands are an inch bigger than Vonns. Millers 20 yard shuttle time was elite at 4.06 and Chops was still a dam good 4.25 and Millers broad jump was 126’’ and Chops was 128’’. Both elite. So Chop is bigger and faster that Miller was when he came out of college.
Latu is the true No. DE
Jared ran a 4.6 that’s good speed at defensive end
Again Trey Hendrickson has 32 inch arms. Carl Lawson is a pretty dam good pass rusher and he has 31.5 inch arms. But these 2 guys also have other traits that makes up for the shorter arms. Hendrickson is 6’4’’ 270 so he has the size and he is fast to at 4.63. Lawson is barely 6’2’’ 265 so he has size and extreme almost freakish strength. He did 35 reps on the bench press.
Kwity Paye's arm length is 33 inches, so Simms is factually incorrect For reference, that is the same as Nick Bosa and longer than Aidan Hutchinson and Micah Parsons Maybe Paye just isn't as good a player, regardless of arm length
Lol measurables and measurements are not always an indicator of potential. Example. Trey Hendrickson is a top 5 pass rusher in football. He is a 3 time Pro Bowler and made the PFWA 1st team All Pro last year. He was second in the league in sacks last year and in 2020. How long do you think his arms are? 32 inches. Yes 32 inches. Not 32 point something but 32. Example 2. Tee Higgins I believe everyone would agree is a dam good WR who makes some freaky plays and literally any team in the league would love to have him. And they can but it will cost them because the Bengals give nothing away. Anyway at the Combine Tee ran A 4.59 and had only a 31 inch vertical and he is 6’4’’ 220 but weighed 216 when he was tested. Not exactly elite number right. The Bengals saw a star player and that’s what he is. They looked past that barely adequate 40 time. Tee grew into a better player. He was good from day one though so makes no mistake about it. He had 908 yards and 6tds as a 21 year old rookie.
You don't want your 1st round edge prospect being labeled with "high motor" or "high effort", usually that means this guy lacks physical, athletic traits
26:08 I’m sorry but ayooo, sounds like he’s talking to a girl at the bar lmao
Dallas Turner is a 3rd pick at best. You're doing him a disservice of you pick him before that. He probably needs to be a backup to start... and he needs a while to develop. He also needs to go into a very favorable situation that can utilize his talents. He has no rush moves. He's all length and speed. His power is not there. He's gonna be blanked a lot.
Chris Jones was a 2nd round pick
Right!?
how does Ahmed keep this job?? Constantly, he ask Simms a question, or reads a question to Simms from social media, and immediately interrupts him and just says a bunch of bullshit. Ahmed you don’t know what you’re talking about. You don’t watch film you don’t know football. Simms is the reason everyone is here. He’s the one justified to be talking not you. Not to mention that you’re a professional analyst/talker and yet you interrupt ALL THE TIME. No one wants to hear your opinion on football, and probably not on anything else either
hoping Latu is there at 22
Simms ignored all those pass rush win rates, which PFF puts out there. Will Anderson produced big time numbers in the best case conference. I love Simms QB analysis, but his DE takes are horrible. He was also wrong about Kayvon Thibedaeux. Just think he needs to realize that consensus is usually right. Once in a while a guy slips on DE, but usually the league gets it right.
Ex-QB Simms don't want to know Edges! He is still haunted by them :)
if anything he would have thoughts about the big boys in the middle, i don’t see any LT or Derrick Thomas’ in todays game😂 once they’re hanging around or over 300
31reps at the combine he’s stronger then latu and turner
Should someone OFF THE FIELD, outside the stadium, and in a NEW YORK OFFICE.... make live game-time decisions that loses my year-long savings bet on my team's biggest game, based on a close call. AHHHHHHHHHHHHH. ... Why not have the on-field judge look at the replay on a tablet (we have the technology! show the onfield judge the evidence) , don't "assist" by commanding a reversed call. The on-field judge should be deciding every play. Every play. But, heck, the NFL doesnt even make it a full-time job!!! Head refs should not be a p/t job! THAT is the absurdity here. Someone tell Florio.
Why does Chris want BBL edge rushers
TORQUE
After the bad experience the Falcons had with another Bruins edge rusher (Takk McKinley), So they will most probably select the dude from Alabama
I'm 100 percent sure simms didn't watch any of these guys play. He's using someone else's notes. You can tell by the way he's describing these players. The evaluations are way off.
I honestly don’t get the hype on Jared verse. To me he’s a guy built like a basketball player but was too short to play. So he put on weight to play football. To me he’s a Leonard Floyd. Smaller DE body type. Not naturally large but lanky. In 4 years he’s probably gonna be a journeyman pass rusher that contenders sign up one year deals for 8-10 million. Imo that’s not someone you draft on the top or middle of the first. If you draft a pass rusher that high you want that guy to be someone who doesn’t get out of your building because you’re locking him up for 25 mil a year. I see him as a guy who is versatile but will probably give you 4-7 sacks a year.
Lol bad take! The body types aren't even the same. Use Google and you can clearly see
And using Leonard Floyd as an example isn't great. Sure his early career numbers are not impressive, and certainly smelled like a bust, especially in Chicago, but once he started playing on one year deals on different teams his numbers have gone up substantially. And he has almost zero games missed from injury. That strikes me as better than "journeyman."
@@MrBeckPJ I’m not saying Leonard Floyd is a bust but objectively he wasn’t worth the draft slot he was drafted at. And if he’s worth keeping he would be signed to 3-4 year deals at 20 plus million. People don’t let high quality pass rusher walk out the door. Hence journeyman. Not a bad player. Still worth 8-10 million because it’s a premium position. But you don’t draft that type of player top 15. You draft him late first to second ish because of raw traits. Get 4 years out of him. Develop him. If he’s a superstar you sign him big. If he’s a tweener in value IE 4-6 sacks you either retain him on a smaller short deal or you let him walk. That’s how I see verse. Hence why I prefer a different plsyer because he’s being higher then bottom of first.
@@DrRobGilles yeah, your reasoning makes sense. I looked up Floyd's sack average over the last 3 years (10.33), which I'd say is better than "journeyman" level, but I agree that it sure isn't worth a top 15 pick. Bottom of the first as a ceiling, or more likely the 2nd round feels like the better value for that sort of production. And frankly, I haven't seen much of Verse outside of highlights, so maybe the comparison is appropriate, I'm not equipped to judge that.
@@MrBeckPJ I think we’re kind of on the same page. Verse is a little bit bigger in stature and overall strength which makes me think he will be more hybrid than pure wreck the game pass rusher with 12 or more sacks per year. Imo He may have 1 out of 4 years where he gets above 12. Floyd did benefit from system too. He wasn’t asked to play 3 downs every week all game plus defend the run. Plus designed stunts etc. so his numbers are def slightly deceptive. He was one of many pass rushers teams often threw at you.
Chris Simms is too often blinded by "the look" of players.
I constantly wonder how tf Ahmed got this position like seriously what was it?? He’s just the worst. As an “analyst” (I can’t even say that without laughing) and as a human. He’s a bad vibe prickly buzzkill that always tries to put Simms down in all these subtle ways
CT got it stop playin Chris. I love New York and Jersey but the pizza in CT is fire. New York food is def overhyped thts a fact
Dallas Turners measurables are BETTER than Von Millers were. They are both 6’3’’ and around 250 lbs. Vons arms are 33 1/2’’ and Turners are 34 3/8’’ and again Turner is quite a bit faster than Miller. Millers vertical was 37’’ which is real good. But not as good as Turners 40.5’’. Turners broad jump was 1 inch longer than Millers. But you a splitting hairs there. So basically the same size and Turner is faster and more athletic than the great Von Miller.
Now talk about their 3 cones and 20 yard shuttles...y'know the two metrics that actually matter for edge rushers
The edge talk in the beginning sheds light on simms poor scouting skills.
Chris gets the poops 💩 💩 💩 😮😮 😯 😯 😂😂😂😂
Anderson was amazing in college.... Simms makes it sound like.he was meh and went on to be great just by losing weight. Simms goes full on with traits and size and speed at edge. People who are less size and speed but produce arent hus style. Same with this year.
“put on 40lbs of muscle during the pandemic” lol, im sure he did, wasnt natural tho
I’m sorry.. 40 lbs of muscle in a year ?
BRANDON DORLUS 🦆🦆🦆 You’ll soon learn.
Chris jones was not a 1st rounder
Jared Verse talks a lot of $hit too!
I watch all your stuff Chris and respect your opinion but last year you were dead wrong on Myles Murphy the edge out of Clemson. He played for the Bengals now. You said he wasn’t that strong and at the combine he did 25 reps in the bench press. Your number 1 guy last year Tyree Wilson did 23 your number 2 Lucas Van Ness did 17 and McDonald and Anderson didn’t even do the bench press which should tell you a lot about them. Murphy was not drafted to start day one. He was a rotation player last year. He was the #5 Edge on the Bengals depth chart. The 2 starters Hubbard and Hendrickson filled by Joseph Ossai and Cam Sample. He played about 260 snaps last year and he had 20 tackles 3 sacks and 2 tackles for a loss. Tyree Wilson was a starter. All year and he had a grand total of 3.5 sacks. Van Ness was a starter and he had 4 sacks. McDonald was a rotational guy and he had 3 sacks as well. You said you didn’t like Murphys body. The kid is 6’5’’ 275 and ran a 4.51 and he has 33.75 inch arms. He does have small hands but that’s the only thing you have to zonk. And Will Anderson had 7 sacks. As a starter. If Murphy had been a starter last year he would have had 7-10 sacks. You will see this year he is going to break 400 snaps this year because we have some good edge players in Cincinnati. Look for Joseph Ossai to take off this year. I’m just hoping we will be able to retain him because this is a contact year. Look for Ossai to go off thru year. He will Probably have around 9 sacks. Maybe more.
Gosh Simms had such bad take 2023 Edge class
God it just has to be Ahmed huh? Someone that offers notbing to this production other than useless stats and incessant unfunny jokes
Remember when he was wrong about Will Anderson Junior ? lol clown 🤡
Did you watch the video 🤡?
what have you done since gaining consciousness? rubbed a few out and played some madden? What did Chris think about Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, CJ Stroud, Kennith Walker, DLions RB last year, Justin Jefferson, Jamaar Chase, Zay Jones, Christian Watson, Linderbaum, CHumphrey, Nick Bolton, Trent McDuffie, Leo Chenal, Sam Leporta, Travis Eitienne, Devonte Smith, Jaylen Waddle, Kyle Pitts, Penne Sewell, Christian Darrisaw, Chase Young, Andrew Thomas, Ceedee Lamb, Jerry Judy, Patrick Queen, Antwon WinfieldJr, you getting the point any position any school any name
Chris wiffed last year and he'll wiff this year
Yup, I think he has strengths and weaknesses. Strengths being QB and corner backs. Weakness being edge and wr
@@markmclean8858 I think He's SOlid At WR
he’s wiffed hard on about 50 all pro’s in 5 years
@@NathanRhwmf if we’re talking WR he’s missed on the Ohio state kids Olave & Wilson. But called Jefferson, DK, AJ Brown also solid on last years class
@@djemayel8907 they weren’t drafted last year. and missed what on Olave, Wilson is very similar to Davante Adams who chris likes but doesn’t love
Darius Robinson?