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Well, after months on the trail, back breaking labor in the mines or laying tracks on the railroad, being able to sit and talk to a pretty girl over a glass of beer for fifteen minutes had to seem like Heaven.
I imagine so. Some also married their regulars.
Oh 😏
Quite a bit of time ago a buddy reported that there was a similar situation he witnessed with guys from a Canadian lumberjack camp. The girls did not have to be pretty and one of the lumberjacks took a Bowie knife to his leg in a dispute over who would get the first turn.Some thing seem to be timeless.
Been there , done that , as a sailor in a Liberty port .
Well , I’ve heard it’s the oldest profession BUT Miss Kitty was a saloon gal ! (Also a business owner) Thanks Santee for keeping the Sprit Of The Old West Alive !
I’m not sure how I stumbled across this channel a couple months ago but I’m glad I did. These videos always brighten my day.
Glad to hear it!
A young cowboy walks into the saloon. He sits at the counter and notices an old cowboy with his arms folded, staring blankly at a full bowl of chicken congee. After fifteen minutes of just sitting there staring at it, the young cowboy bravely asked the old cowboy, "If you ain't gonna eat that, mind if I do?" The older cowboy slowly turns his head toward the young wrangler and, in his best cowboy manner, says, "Nah, go ahead." Eagerly, the young cowboy reaches over and slides the bowl over to his place and starts spooning in it with delight. He gets nearly down to the bottom and notices a dead mouse. The sight was shocking, and he immediately barfs up the congee back into the bowl. The old cowboy quietly says, "Yep, that's as far as I got, too."
LMAO.
Yuck!
Gotta love the saloon girls. Those are couple of talented ones. Excellent episode 😊
Yep!
Now you boys be nice to the lady's they are just trying to work their way through college... another fine episode thanks
Right!
I was stationed at Ft Bliss back in the late 70's. We used to get to Juarez on occasion. Most of the girls we encountered there were working their way through something...mostly our pay. After a while I smartened up and stayed on the El Paso side of the river. Marginally safer back in the day.
I was 3 years into my college degree before I learned that AG didn't stand for Alcohol & Girls. 😊
Wait...it doesn"t????😉
Seriously what does that AG mean
@@eizabethroberts3991 Attorney General.
@@eizabethroberts3991 Agriculture.
Back when we were about 28, at the mall in Cinci, OH, Hollywood Memories was set up doing pics. You dressed up, men & women, in period clothing for pics on a set of varying decors. 2 of three pics survive in my man cave. I was a cowboy with my own vest and faded jeans. she was what was known as a dance hall floozy. The sepia tone/tin type film made the clothing look older.
That's pretty neat!
My wife and I did one of those. I was a gambler with a top hat, which I held and did not wear and she was a dance hall girl standing me, I was sitting, in the period type photo. I was going through stuff after she died and came across that photo. I was sitting there but she had completely faded out of the picture. I didn't know whether to be scared or mad but I can tell you this, it hurt like hell.
From about 5 years ago until now(at least when I found the channel), it’s still apart of my Saturday routine! I’m amazed with how many topics you’ve covered in that time, yet never did anything twice! Many thanks, Santee!
Thank you, Andrew. Much appreciated.
I don't know Santee, it's be pretty funny to see you try fitting into some of those outfits. I never realized how much more Kitty made than Matt, wow. Thanks for the great new video. Be safe out there, and take it easy man.
Much appreciated.
***That clears up a lot of assumptions. As always I love the *Hollywood, video clips, and historical photos, Santee. The ladies in your town, appear to love their role playing.🤗🎉 a great video 👏🏻☺️🤠👏🏻👏🏻
Glad you enjoyed it, Rhonda!
That was very interesting. I never knew about dance hall saloon girls vs prostitutes. I always though they were the same thing. Makes Miss Kitty's character in Gunsmoke more relistic.
Yeah, she was really a saloon owner and ran some hostess gals.
Thanks again Santee & Co. I was a US Navy sailor and every Liberty port had some sort of bar girl . Reminds me of the song Brandy by Looking glass .
Really? Well, I guess ports are ripe for that money-making venture.
@@ArizonaGhostridersSan Francisco was rife with them, same for New Orleans 😎
@@ArizonaGhostridersAfter a couple months at sea you're ready to talk to a moose
Prostitution is legal in Nye County, Nevada, west of Las Vegas.
This has been the most shocking video Santee has ever done. He actually pronounced Nevada correctly! This Nevadan thanks you from the bottom of his heart. Thanks for the vid!
Our pleasure!
It’s 0619hrs MDT. This video has been up for 18 minutes, and has 222 views. Lots of early morning people or sleepless Old Coots watching: which are you?
Morning person heading towards old coot. The videos have gone up at the same time every Saturday since 2016.
Saloons and dance halls still basically exist today as bars and clubs, and while they're significantly different from each other, there are still a lot of similarities: As it was in the Old West, many altercations, whether physical or verbal, still tend happen at these places. While clubs don't employ dancing girls, I can almost guarantee you that there are women there who will dance with people in exchange for payment (or drinks). There are still many women at bars and clubs that will try to get men to buy them drinks, but rather than do it on an establishment's behalf, they do it for free drinks.
Very similar,. Except free drinks don't put food on the table.
Girls never wore the facny outfits you see in Hollywood movies. Looking forward to your take on that.
A lot of those were can-can type dresses. However, some photos reveal the dance hall gals did reveal some skin.
Thanks for the history, warts and all.
You bet
Santee, Absolutely awesome as always. Don't ever change the way you do your video content because it's Great. Have a blessed week4nd.
Thank You!
Good morning santine. Ted from Texas. I remember going to a Civil War reenactment dressing in Cilver War Clothing. I ran into a group of young ladies at one of the Union camps that was called the camp entertainment. An interesting group of ladies. These were women of the profession that was so cold soiled doves. They even had a Madam working with them I got into a discussion about period dress clothing and it brought a whole new light preferred not to remember. When I see you in person I will tell you about it cuz it was a funny story . Thank you santeen
You're welcome, Tenden!
I was at a Civil War reenactment when I ran across a man dressed like the British Col. Fremantle who was an observer with the Confederates at Gettysburg. Most Civil War buffs know the story and he is mentioned in the movie. The man spent over $800 on the period correct uniform and he said he had a duty to get it right. But what I didn't tell him is that Col. Fremantle wasn't wearing his uniform at Gettysburg because he didn't want to give the impression that the British were picking a side. Of course I didn't tell him that. After spending that money and his dedication to "getting it right" there didn't seem any point to it and him walking around dressed like an English aristocrat roughing it would have flew over everybody's head anyway.
@@tomjackson4374 . Over the years I spent a lot of money on my Civil War uniform. I tried to get it as correct as possible . I think I invested well over $1,000 for everything. And of course sidearms to go with it. But at that point I decided I needed a real Civil War piece to carry. That put a dent in the bank account. An 1860 Colt made in 1863
that ghost with you at the opening was either thinking “too easy” or “not touching that one!” 🤣😎 the ladies were amazing businesswoman, they knew their worth and knew how to earn from it…it’s too bad zealots won out and tai ted their image, they really were artists of entertainment
Thanks for watching!
I was actually at Old Tucson earlier this month. (It was a Monday and you had the day off, otherwise I would have said hi.) I remember giving the bartender an extra $4 so that Dolly could get a drink, as she was talking so much both inside and outside she was starting to sound a little hoarse.
HAHA! Sorry we missed each other.
What a great episode. Thanks Santee. I love me those soiled doves. I also love all the views of Old Tucson. I love that place.
Glad you enjoyed it, Ralph!
Hey Santee this was a really good video. You really cleared up a lot of misconceptions. You do such a great job of giving us a lot of information in a short time. I look forward to your videos every Saturday and you never disappoint. 🤠
I appreciate that!
Great episode showing the less seedier side of the seedy side of the old West. The ladies on set were dressed fantastic, a little sassy, and alot of classy. You have a really tough job thar, Pard. 🤠 Hmmmmm. They are never there when I show up. They must know I am in town, I guess. 🧐🤔😊🤣 There is a good book "Entertaining Women" by Chris Enss I just picked up in Tombstone on this very topic i have been reading about actresses, dancers, and singers of the old West. Great read so far and recommend it.
Oh thanks, Joe!
I bet they needed to get paid well to buy bright dresses. Interesting. I never knew about soiled doves.
Glad you learned somethin'
Whoa Nelly... Great job Santee👍😉🆗🤠
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Thank you so much Santee. Always enjoy your videos. Learned a lot of things I did not know about the saloon girls. Have a great weekend. :)
You're welcome, Jim!
These videos always brighten my day.
Good, John!
Soiled doves? Thats a new one to me 😂
Fallen Angels, Scarlet Women, Painted Ladies...how about those?
Ok make it a few new ones I've never heard then 🤣
Thank you thank you thank you!! Much like the Geishas our Saloon Girls were misunderstood....yes!! The CLOTHING!!!!
Glad it was helpful!
Good video. Have you ever talked about children in the Old West. I remember reading a book called Growing up with the Country: Childhood on the Far Western Frontier by Elliott West. Prof. West wrote also an awesome book called The Contested Plains: Indians, Goldseekers, and the Rush to Colorado.
Not quite yet.
Great episode Santee! I always enjoy the dance hall show at Silver Dollar City! Have a great weekend! Nice job you have working with all these pretty saloon girls!❤
Thanks 👍
And yet another good one!
Thank You!
Nice video Santee. I most say some very beautiful scenery there where you work! 🤠🇺🇲
Thank You!
Santee.... you do a dangerous job, I thought at one point that you were going to get slapped.............🤣🤣🤣
Not yet!!
3:36 It's been a while since I've seen Gunless. Might have to go find it again. It's interesting that dance halls were targeted for closure before the brothels. Might it be because there was more chance of conversation between the customers and the ladies? Edit: Don't sell yourself short, Santee. The key to making any outfit is confidence.
HAHAH! Well, there ya go. I can pull off a saloon girl outfit. Thanks for commenting!
Cool! Hard subject to get through, but ya braved it all the way. It’s a bit funny, but all I could think of in both the intro and outro was Russel Crowe chained up in the rain on the steps you were sitting on… Have a great Santeeday!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent history lesson as always Santee, have a great week.
Thank you very much.
This video didn't disappoint. None of them do.
Aww, thanks.
Very cool episode Santee! I can hardly wait for the "Dressing the Part" video, especially since you said you weren't going to be modeling any of the outfits! Lol!
Well....wardrobe has a dress....
They ain't soiled, only slightly dirty. Great topic, my friend, keep em coming. 😅
But "Slightly Dirty Doves" doesn't roll off the tongue.
Can't wait to see Santee modeling the latest in saloon girl wear. 😅
Good!
A real man can pull that off. It may be more economic to feature girl who already own that saloon girl wear.
@@maxlutz3674 Well, thank God I'm a real man. Even got the legs for it.
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Worked at a strip club as a kitchen manager/bouncer. The girls still hustle drinks for patrons and sub non alcoholic drinks for themselves!!! We kept a pitcher of chocolate milk in the cooler as well!!! We charged full price to the customer and the girls got a kickback and had a quota of drinks they had to hit!!!
Wow!
I look forward to your videos each week. Thank you & keep up the good work. 🙂
Appreciated.
THANKS
You're welcome.
very interesting, another awesome job thank you
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video Santee and I always enjoy learning something new with you. Thank you so much.
Glad to hear it!
Another great episode, Santee! Definitely need to make it down to Old Tucson some time.
Please do!
Lots of fun!
Thank You!
Another good one!
Thanks again!
I wonder how many customers at the Dance Hall would try swapping the glasses, drinking the tea while hoping to get the girl a bit looser with the whiskey!
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Grow day Santee… Another excellent video… thanks for all you do in making these videos…
My pleasure!
Great video Santee
Thank You!
Good video, Santee. Some fine movie clips
Thanks!
I'd never heard of the phrase Soiled Dove before today.
Glad you learned something! Here's some others: Fallen Angel, Painted Lady, Scarlet Woman.
These "gentleman's clubs" here in Tulsa have lots of saloon girls that do the exact same thing. No soiled doves though in these places.
ok!
First I've heard of hurdy-gurdies (the instrument) in the old west! Now that I have learned something today I can relax and have a beer!
Yeehaw!
Reminds me of the hostess clubs in Japan.
Oh yeah, it does!
Your Videos are the Best !!!!!!
Wow, thanks!
Thanks for brightening up KZhead!
Thank you! Nice of you to say.
Thanks for the education. Once again preconception don’t stand up to reality.
Yep
Makes me yearn for a cold beer and some company 🤠🍺🍺
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Prostitution should be legal in all states. If a man and a woman want to enter into a private contract, money for sex, it isn't the state's business. It should be taxed and heavily regulated, but legal. Great episode, Santee! -Desert Rat Rick
I wonder how it would go over in today's society?
@@ArizonaGhostriders Those of us who are Libertarians would love it!
I'm glad it's legal in Nevada because the money the state gets from it is part of the reason we barely have any taxes
@@adepja I bet!
Another great video! Yeah, just say no to the dancehall garb, that looks much better on the ladies 😎
HA!
I never knew this thank u santee❤
You're welcome.
Oh God! I just imagined Santee dressed at a soiled dove! Shoot me now, I can't bare the suffering! Maybe I can stick a toothbrush with clorox bleach on it into my ear and scrub my brain to remove that image out of my mind! 😱😱 Another great video Santee. Keep em coming pardner. 🤠 JT
HAHAH! I used to have the legs for it.
@@ArizonaGhostriders Some say you still do! 🤣🤣
Have to use a weedeater to shave your legs.@@ArizonaGhostriders
Your awesome and awesome video be safe out there
Thank you! Will do!
Santee there is nothing wrong with moonlighting at night to earn an extra part time income. Plus trying to dress up as a saloon girl would surely give an appreciation of just how much went into just getting dressed/made up to impress the men. I know in a lot of dance halls the girls were German. They were also chaperoned by an older German couple who resided with the girls.
Yep
Hey, santee, great video. Did the saloon girls look pretty
I think so!
love the humor
Thank You!
I quite like the idea of the Myth but did see the reality in Rawhide AZ....😁
You did?
After 90 days up from Texas frankly the first dove I saw better not be offended by my lack of bathing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!🎉🎉🎉🎉
LOL!
_"Hello, Dolly!"_ I had to, Santee. I predict this video will get more views than usual. Why? No reason. One video is as good as another. Just a wild guess. 🤠
Thank You! HA!
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Great bit of history and thank YOU for not doing the modeling
No worries
That deal if buy the girl a drink is still widespread today…and not just in the U.S.
It is.
Now I'm wondering if that old story is true of a man in Nevada during the silver rush selling viewing rights to lady's undergarments without the lady in them.
Maybe! Never heard that one.
Another great video! I always thought that "dance hall girl" was a euphemism for a prostitute in the old west. Thanks for clearing that up!
Glad it is cleared up!
I had always understood that Saloon Girls was a euphemism for prostitutes because "The Code" wouldn't allow movies to portray prostitutes?
Nope. I found newspaper mentions of saloon girls going back to 1863.
2:07 Is this where _"...my dance card is full."_ comes from?
Around the same time period, but those were for balls or other social dances.
I've seen plenty of "saloon girls"....... in Korea in the mid 90s. Same concept as described in the video really. Only they were called "Juicy Girls", by virtue of the name of the non alcoholic drink they would get bar patrons to buy; and they were far more expensive than your beer. These girls would engage in conversation, sit on your lap, push all your buttons, and, that's pretty much all they did. Aside from dance on stage to music. In years before my time, they may have been called "Go Go Dancers". There was the rare exception that had a side hustle, but they weren't technically "soiled doves". Seems to me, by whichever name you want to call them (bar girl, saloon girl, juicy girl, etc) they might be the worlds second oldest profession.
Interesting.
Hi Santee! I’d love for you to do a video about bags and satchels in the old west
OK!
@@ArizonaGhostriders I absolutely love your content, it was partly you that got me so interested in the old west!
Now you know where the money wend at the end of a trail!?!! 😊😉🤠
Yep
I’m sure Bill Brazelton was hard to pull away from the dance hall.
It was.
😨 *Screeeeechhh!_**_______* Santee!! I thought this was a "family friendly" channel?! 😂
😂 Parental guidance is suggested.
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You and Dirty Dan as saloon girls. AHHH I have to unthink that. 🤣
It's tough to get out of your mind.
"Dirty Dan and the Saloon Girls" sounds like a good name for a rockabilly band. 😄
Santee if you model the clothes not only will i be forever scarred the world will spin bacwards and come to a stop and then ill forever call you you sandee
🥃 LOL!
It wasn’t that long ago that Deadwood SD still had legal prostitution…
Yeah!
Thanks for the video Santee!!! Was this filmed at Old Tucson or Mescal Movie Set? Thanks again.
Old Tucson movie set.
Very interestingly informative and inspiring video, I really liked and enjoyed it, I got a lot more inspiration for my old west frontier inspired, lost hidden history inspired, esoteric philosophy , spiritual science and metaphysical video games inspired mythos-archive project' Mysteriarch Mythos: Pixel Pioneers and the polygon realms. I once again learned even more about the old west frontier, great job, well done and keep up the great work. I'm definitely going to be adding some dance halls and saloons to the old west frontier island of Tabbantha Isle in my mythos world. Today I'm working on writing about a artifact in my stories called the Dos Cuneiforum. I'll be getting further story inspiration from ancient world maps, the pre adamite world and lost history as well as hidden history.
Glad you got something out of it.
@@ArizonaGhostriders thanks. I just got done getting story inspiration from videos on deep mythology and occult lore and knowledge for my stories and mythos world, which im sure was all allegorical, metaphysical and metaphorical and I'm pretty sure I didn't comprehend a single word of it. Now I'm getting further inspiration from ancient world maps, hidden lost history and esoteric philosophy, lore and knowledge. I think I've already fallen down the forbidden knowledge,mythology and conspiracy theory rabbit hole with the videos I just watched.
That job was horrifying 😮🤫 🤠🤣🤣🤣
It might have ended with a marriage to a fine man with money to support, though.
history versus hollyweird is fun
It is!!
Hi there Santina! I discovered your channel about a month ago. I've been a huge fan of the wild west since I was a child. I've also been a huge fan of fantasy. So recently I started writing about a monster hunting gunman. Are there any places besides your channel you'd recommend for someone looking to make the gunman, and wild west side a bit more based in reality.
History books are good.
SANTEE WATCH IT !! WIFEY WILL FIND OUT !! SHE'LL START CARRYING A BIG STICK !! ANOTHER GOOD ONE !! ADIOS SANTEE
🥃🥃 LOL!
I was going to say that you needed to explain what a 'soiled dove' was, but after watching the video, I guess you don't need to!
Fallen Angel and Painted Lady are also names they had.
Hey Santee , what kind of pistol do you use there . I'm thinking about getting me a Ruger Vaquero . Thanks , have a Great Day 👍
Not sure! I don't think that's even mine. I do have a Vaquero. Terrific gun. Reliable, strong, and good-looking.
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Thank You!
Arizona Ghost Rider can I ask you a question. I have not been able to find out anything about this anywhere. When I grew up we had a lot of antiques and guns and swords etc and one of the rifles had a broken stock that I was told was broken during a fight with the Indians. My family was in a lot of historical events etc so this was just normal in our house but this rifle had a brass plate that was under the stock just in front of the trigger guard and it had engraved cursive writing on it. There was an initial and a name as I remember with a number under the name. I don’t remember the name but the number I think was maybe 147? I was told the story of this rifle just like the story behind everything else we had and they called it a: Brass block Indian rifle and they told me that when Indians were given a rifle (on the reservation?) the rifle was assigned to that person and they logged it? I assume in a register of some sort? Do you know anything about this? Thanks for any information you can give me about this.
I don't know, but please go over to the 11BangBang channel and ask them. They may know.
Great job Santee, Bill Brazelton might make some extra drinking money with a BUSTLE on...Wink WInk .
My eyes!!! My burning eyes!
@@ArizonaGhostriders L O L
Things haven't changed a bit...
Except they may smell better now.
Saloon Girls 🙂
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