Why Do So Many People Not Want To Have Children? - Malcolm Collins
Malcolm Collins is a pronatalist, Stanford MBA graduate, venture capitalist and an author.
What would the world actually look like if only the global population was only 500 million people? Given the current birth rate projections, we’re approaching a massive collapse. If you think a planet with too many people on it is bad, a planet with too few is even worse.
Expect to learn why Korea is projected to experience a 94% population extinction within the next century, why so few people actually want to have kids in 2023, why a ‘super virus’ has taken over the progressive movement, whether prosperity, equality, education and fertility are incompatible with each other, whether authoritarianism could fix this problem, if there’s a moral obligation to have children, the implications of using new technology for gene-editing & birthing via artificial wombs and much more...
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00:00 Intro
00:14 Why Malcolm is Always in the News
06:40 Our Divided Society’s Two Factions
17:09 How Prosperity & Gender Equality Impact Fertility
21:30 What is Causing the Decline in Dating?
29:38 Balancing Gender Equality with the Need for Mothers
38:14 What a World in Deep Population Decline Looks Like
44:39 Movements from Fertility Extremists
53:00 Is it a Moral Obligation to Have Children?
1:04:29 How to Change the Narrative on Motherhood
1:11:12 Malcolm’s Unique Experience of Having Children
1:25:23 Explaining IVG & IVF
1:29:52 Where to Find Malcolm
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Hello you beauties. Access all episodes 10 hours earlier than KZhead by Subscribing on Spotify - spoti.fi/2LSimPn or Apple Podcasts - apple.co/2MNqIgw. Here’s the timestamps: 00:00 Intro 00:14 Why Malcolm is Always in the News 06:40 Our Divided Society’s Two Factions 17:09 How Prosperity & Gender Equality Impact Fertility 21:30 What is Causing the Decline in Dating? 29:38 Balancing Gender Equality with the Need for Mothers 38:14 What a World in Deep Population Decline Looks Like 44:39 Movements from Fertility Extremists 53:00 Is it a Moral Obligation to Have Children? 1:04:29 How to Change the Narrative on Motherhood 1:11:12 Malcolm’s Unique Experience of Having Children 1:25:23 Explaining IVG & IVF 1:29:52 Where to Find Malcolm
I disagree with you why people cant have kids. Its because the housing is very expensive and obviously you need to pay more for a 2 bedroom + apartment.
Been around for a while. Congrats to your immense growth! Feels like there is a new Q&A episode every week...
Also as our society became more and more car dependent the number of children you could have was limited by your car.
I would like it if mr collins had his own KZhead channel and I he a series of videos dedicated to the population history and future of all the countries
It's not that people don't want to have children. Muslim ppl are still getting married and having kids both in the west and East. Hence our population is growing. In the west most of the men are now incel and the women delay marriage and childbirth. Leading to population collapse. They are not replacing themselves and are rapidly ageing.
If you want educated, socially developed people to breed, you have to give them a society in which they would want to raise children.
Trite. You can't give people culture at all. People create it through active collective participation. If it isn't conducive to having children, it's the product of what the people themselves have done. That's one of the biggest takeaways from the discussion.
Remember that JFK quote? “Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country”
Spoiled brats just want more, even if they already have more than anyone else, including those before them. This fetishization of a extremely brief post war period of prosperity as an excuse, doesn’t explain how everyone before and around the world managed to fulfill the very basic minimum requirement of any species on far far far far less.
If we didn’t spend so much time online, we wouldn’t be able to see past our own small world and you would find that people would be happier and more positive. In short…the reason you think the world is bad, in comparison to past generations, is that you have more reach now. I’m fairly certain that there were MANY periods in history that were far worse given the famine, pestilence, invasions, etc.
It's really more of a Darwin award
"Being in a happy marriage, is like catching the last chopper out of Nam", that is a quote for the ages.
Read this right as he said it
@@dannygillmusic me too lol
Wow..unforgettable 😄
My wife thought that was a badass quote. She then took a dump on my chest and we played for hours making little people out of it. They smell pretty bad.
being happy in general is a luxury for most of man's history, with all the war, famine, disaster, disease and an unavoidable death around us. You might think you're in a happy marriage with a perfect partner who loves you and understands you, but then war breaks out, food becomes expensive, your house get destroyed by a flood, your children die from random illness, you or your partner become sick and unable to work, you're constantly tired, hungry, stressed and depressed. In the past, marriage and having children (preferably male) were viewed as a duty, an obligation, while happiness was optional. Society didn't care if the husband beat his wife and children or if the children are all malnourished. Society only cared that the family has a son. Today, happiness becomes the obligation instead, and marriage is optional. If you have a family, but the children are beaten and malnourished, then that family should not have existed, the parents should not have procreated. Africa doesn't have population problem precisely because its society doesn't care if the children are beaten or hungry or sick,
As a Korean, I would like to say that... We had so many factors stacked against us (such as overbearing neighbors never leaving us alone). Still, we survived and fought surprisingly long. We even prospered for a few decades recently at the end. Now, we bid adieu to the rest of humanity. Please remember us.
I'll remember kpop. Have a good journey into the history books XD.
I will. I’m confident that it isn’t the end. However, there will need to be changes and it won’t be easy.
North Korea is still there and they have somewhat stable birthrate
@@Apsolution1Nothing that their trademark starvation can't handle.
This nerd is super accurate and practical, I was blown away by how concise the analysis was. "prosperity-induced fertility collapse" and engagement with the modern economy ruining the sustainability of civilization is spot-on.
The man just spits fact after fact and analysis at lightning pace.
"This nerd" 😂😂😂
Omg "This nerd" 😂😂Also based shotgun background, respect!👍
Facts!!! 😂
@@Archive41024it's true.
As Peter Zeihan says, children in a rural setting are free labor; children in a modern setting are financial sinkholes, so people have less of them.
I'm glad you explained it
Most men struggle getting a date let alone a woman to have kids with..😅
Peter says they’re noisy furniture. As Guy McPherson says, unlimited growth on a planet with finite resources is an absolute fantasy.
@@soup-nazi6824- Dating? Career? Blue hair? Netflix? Many women seem too confused by modern life to bother with children.
@@soup-nazi6824Most childfree men really struggle to get a vasectomy! The guy who did mine (his speciality) gave me a motivational interrogation AND a week to "think it over" not only was I 45, but he said that of some nine thousand men he'd "fixed" only three returned to have a reversal, all of whom became dads again. What's the problem then? Do it even if you have to go to Thailand to find a surgeon, it is still cheaper than Rugrats! 😅
“I used to think the worst thing in life was to end up all alone. It's not. The worst thing in life is ending up with people who make you feel all alone.” - Robin Williams
Exactly, this is something that the older generation that didn't grow up with the internet has trouble understanding in my experience. I'd rather be physically alone with a host of online friends that I feel connected to than be surrounded by people and feel alone
@@dusanslavnic4727 Or wind up like Robin Williams. Rich. Famous. Get married 3 times. Commit suicide.
Exactly. I have peace, unlike when the A-h ex was around to put me down all the time.
Robin Williams paid a high price for his " loneliness". He was screwed out of his money by his gold digger wives.
Well...I'm 60 and a Conservative Catholic with 4 grown children. I am just now starting to have friends who are dying. So many women that live in my college town ended up childless.....and we are seeing the first of them dying alone.
This man is a personification of "Do what you love and you'll never work a day"
This is the kind of teacher we all needed in school.😂 His enthusiasm is awesome.
Chris is such a great interviewer. He lets people talk and he doesn't try to throw in his own shit every 10 seconds like so many other hosts. Great work, Chris! 😃😋
The solution of not losing culture and having high population is India. They have high fertility rate with biggest cultural diversity. Their Hindu or Sanatan Dharma is the key.
@@GAMINGBLAZEone of the problems the interviewee mentioned is countries embracing gender equality start to shrink and India is heading towards that direction at light speed.
@@Profitglutton90 What's the context ? Gender equality shrinking ? How can you prove that ?
@@GAMINGBLAZE yeah every single country that has embraced it is facing population decline below replacement level. Without exception. The guest said it plainly and data corroborates it as well.
@@GAMINGBLAZEincorrect. Fertility rate in India is falling too, only just above replacement (2.05 births per woman in 2020) and falling fast.
I actully love that "being in a happy marriage these days is like getting the last chopper out of nam"
It is true! I am screwed lol!
Yep. If we reinstate patriarchy, the odds of a successful marriage go up.
my husbando and me are together for over 20 years👍im 34 now, you can do the math☺️
@@Bufekana That happens, but is very, very rare these days.
@@marks2807 isnt that sad?
Malcolm is so adorably nerdy. I love his enthusiasm. Makes me feel excited to learn from him.
I felt the exact same way!
As a mother of 3, with 4 grandchildren, a PhD, a lifetime of teaching, I had it all. It can be done, but the society no longer supports the choices I was free to make 50 years ago.
Average birthrates are also droping dramaticlly in your family. We really need to change things in the west family politics wise...
@@GangdamStyle20 No women want your babies. Forcing women to have children and forcing them into slavery for men will cause women to commit suicide.
First of all no you can't have it all. Having exceptions to the rule does not invalidate the rule. Not every woman can be a superwoman like you. And your kids suffered for you putting work above family anyway. Unless you chose to get that after they grew up. If you were going for your career or long term education while they were still growing, then you did a disservice to your children, and you are lucky they came out well assuming they did. If you are working, you are either neglecting the children in favor of company or education, or you are screwing over your coworkers ever time the kids need something. Women thinking they can have it all is a big problem with modern women. They can't but they sure are determined to screw up their kids trying, because trying to have it all is a very selfish life that puts you before your children.
@@waltermh111 oh god, another one of those “repeal the 19th!” lunatics. Tech has groomed you to blame all the worlds ills on women. Tech moguls don’t want men to riot against THEM as they take away out basic human rights and replace them with tech surveillance. They want you to have scapegoats to hate- they target us women.
What has been lost since you got your PHD that would stop women today?
Right now I'm one of the few licensed electricians willing to do emergency calls in Section 8 neighborhoods and it's gotten 10 times worse since I started this 22 years ago. I've even have had little toddlers come up to me and ask me to take them home. It's so goddamn depressing seeing these kids growing up in extreme poverty. Please do not have kids just because the government will pay you to have them. Only have children because you truly want to be a parent.
This point always seems to get missed in these type of conversations, reducing humans to an economic unit. 😢
I lived in South Korea for 9 years. I can bet you that you won't get kids there asking you to take them home. This same country that the idiot in this video thinks "has no future". I even taught at a low-quality high school that was located next to an orphanage. Even there, I was thinking "you guys don't know how good you've got it"
Great point. This isn’t binary. Nuance, nuance, nuance.
They aren’t loved, they’re ignored and only used as a source of income for their dysfunctional “parents”
A stable society needs a large middle class, and for the middle class to have kids and raise them well.
This guy is so spot on about people waiting till they have their lives in order, and then it’s too late to have kids.
I think that's a problem in the U.s. In many countries You are not so hardly pressed to get those big careers. And I still don't understand how the average American is so in debt. Do You really have to have that big car and enormous flat?
@@richardsorge- I can’t speak for all Americans but even living very modestly with an old used car and a very small apartment, it still took 20 years to pay off my student loans. Most people really don’t live extravagantly. Salaries are low, cost of living is high, and everyone is buried with student loans.
@@ChadCilli thank You for your answer. Here in Italy High grade instruction Is cheap, and if you have a low income, It's free. Medical care too Is nearly free. Maybe Is for these reasons that people here are more relaxed....
@@richardsorge- I will likely do a very poor job of explaining this, but education is really not that over priced here. The problem is that we are encouraged to take out student loans, and those loans have very high interest rates. so, you end up with four years worth of loans that are accruing interest at a rate that exceeds your ability to pay them down. Some schools are quite expensive. However, it would be wrong of me to imply that all of higher education is expensive. Many people do go to a community college for their first two years and then finish at a larger university. Where I think people get into trouble is the student loans. Often times people take out more money than is required for tuition, because they rely on the loans to pay their living expenses as well. At least, that is my experience and the experience of my peers.
It's even worse than that. I solved the financial part, but... Once you get there, who do you trust? A woman in today's society has the ability to steal, heck even the ability to murder with nearly no repercussions. The DOJ (which I consider the enemy of this country) will always favor the woman and plays a significant role in the existence of, mgtow, incel, feminism and Karens. Loyalty, trustworthiness and selflessness can't be bought, but treachery, deceit and narcissism can be created by poverty. Socially, we have created a very negative sum game, so no wonder no one wants to date. Even when finances are no longer weaponized against you, the task of finding a trustworthy partner is. I'd have better luck finding a grateful woman in a post-nuclear apocalypse. Part of me even hopes for it. Clear out all the junk genes and narcissism.
I knew nothing about Malcolm Collins prior to watching this. Chris has earned my trust - that he will have interesting guests - and conduct the interview in an insightful and respectful manner. I enjoyed this. I loved Mr. Collins' enthusiasm - and thoughtful answers. Thank you for this.
Every passing year, the movie Idiocracy becomes less a comedy and more a documentary. We live in a reverse Eugenics society.
Maybe we should require license for people to have a child.
We gotta get out of the city….
The lesson of idiocracy is less about evolution or eugenics. It's more about stupid people HAPPILY taking on extra responsibilities due to Dunning-Krueger effect. Meanwhile, smart people flee from any and all responsibilities due to the reverse of Dunning-Krueger. It doesn't just apply to having kids, a dumb person will happily launch nukes at a hostile country thinking "easy win, yolo." But plot twist. I don't think it's the question of intelligence. I don't think that truly intelligent people will dodge responsibilities and let society slide into decline. I think we have way too many OVER-EDUCATED people that are afraid of too many things they can't possibly understand.
There will always be plenty of people in this world. The real problem is that there are always too many stupid unproductive or maladaptive people.
Chris has never interviewed any guest as enthusiastic as this man. You can feel the passion from his speech and mannerism. This was a very insightful conversation!
Thank you for the kind works! I thought I might have gotten a little too excited. I forgot to complete a few points. Still, if that wasn't people take away I am happy.
@@Coach__B I will definitely do that
Darn, i really gotta watch this guy more
Aderol is a hell of a drug---Ben Shapiro has same problem speaking at 90 mph--but I love their view points.
They sure had enthusiasm in making sure to denounce white people surviving and making sure to lament any other ethnic group going out of business, lol. Pretty pathetic.
Just found this video, Collins is an absolute delight. Never listened to potential doom for humanity being explained with more enthusiasm! Jokes aside,an amazing individual, thanks for this extremely interesting interview!
When we look around at our peers, few have been able to maintain positive relationships with their parents, and conversely there’s a perception that the parents should take care of themselves or go find a nursing home that can. If the relationship between generations is going to be so cold, there’s no motivation to have it.
I raised three children by myself (with help from some part-time nannies) after their mother died 15 years ago. I suddenly became a single parent - a father tasked with providing for 3 kids under the age of 10. Things are good today, the kids turned out fine (all young adults and working in their chosen professions or in college *my youngest). One of the biggest challenges I faced was being laid off from my corporate sales jobs many times over the years. The layoffs, and the periods of unemployment and financial stress, were extremely stressful and demoralizing. I would often think to myself that if I didn't have children, and only had to provide for myself, how much easier my experience would have been. Losing one's job as the sole provider for a family really sucks! Thankfully, I am in a more rewarding and stable career field today, and everything turned out well.
Good job
Good for you! Where do you live? Mars? What do you do? Sell weapons of mass destruction? All right!!!!
Glad to hear that, you’ve done a tremendous job so kudos to you’
Alternative is being rich and alone.Lonliness. having one or two child is enough
Now imagine what it's like for women who risk abject poverty for being pregnant.
There is always a disturbing lack of discussion of how to raise and support children who are orphans or from single parent households.
Its not a 'spicy topic' today
Because due to all the paperwork/hurdles you have to jump through to even be qualified to adopt... most couples would have an easier time trying for their own, if able.
Thats a genetic dead end. The goal is to keep your genetic line going. Not raise someone elses kids
@@kytziaf Are you only an animal?
For the average child that can be adopted in the US there are 40 families waiting. Adoption alone is not the solution. Watch Birth Gap.
I've been saying it for a while: our society has doomed itself by money, and the greed and power it creates in people. It prevents actual development, and the restriction of food and water to money has essentialy doomed us by not even providing a good escape. Money isn't an option and fundamentally that's a problem.
I think people need to shift back to religion. Money has drained the soul out of society.
@@tomsmith6513 It will happen inevitably. The Amish, Evangelicals and Mormons might end up becoming majority in the following century.
our society aqhs doomed itself by dumping on men and making marriage and children (followed by divorce) a financial death sentence
Technology is a double edged sword.
“having kids is like going through a second puberty” This exactly what it feels like to me. You are forced to grow and if not you prove that you fail and quit.
I wonder how many people don't have it happen to them. I think about all those guys who go out to buy a pack of cigarettes and aren't seen again.
@@skylinefeverthat happens when they are either terrible people OR they never bond with the kids. Chris did a recent interview on the role of fathers and how they are less supported for bonding when the kid is a newborn/infant. Men's brains change just like women's but they have to wait until after birth.
@@Thesteadfast Women's brains are supposed to change quickly after birth, and men's brains are supposed to change eventually. However, there isn't an insurance policy on it. Makes me wonder how many human sacrifices were really just regretted children. The argument that it pleases the weather gods was just an excuse.
And trying to find a partner who is also willing to do that and not leave the family behind when it get hard is the other part of the problem.
I’m 26 and I feel way too fatigued too have kids. By the time I’m done work I’m too tired to deal with a child on top of that. All the stress of the current world is also not helpful
Sister hi, what is your opinion on the philosophy of antinatalism?
Mostly - based upon avoiding economic hardships that most stress is based on 😢
"Don't pray for easier lives my friends, pray to be stronger men"
I had my kids in my early 40s. I'm the same age as my wife. We both work full-time in a very competitive industry. No family member (grandparents) helped us. It's never too late. You can do it.
You have been set up to be lonely. You are married to your job and at some point in your life you have to retire, if you lucky in a nice house then time goes bye the body deteriorates and if you don't have a nest egg, you will be forced to sell your house to be look after by some stranger who sees you as a job less caring, you hear abuses in retirement homes. The other side of the coin even if you stay in your own home you have to have someone coming in looking after you same issues they don't see you as human you just a job, humans are sociable animals and such opportunity hardly one experiences it and loneliness is a long road with never end in site. Having children who you bonded with you, can relieve the stress of loneliness.
He is so happy that someone is finally hearing him out because he is right but people just ignore the impending doom that's approaching.
Climate change, AI, pandemics, gays, nuclear war, religious extremists, ethno-fascists, and on and on and on. Doom's always around the corner. Grab the popcorn.
people don't care unless it's on their doorstep.
There’s no stopping it. It’s reality.
Omg I've been using the phrase "Urban monoculture" for around 5 years. I instantly knew what he meant when he said it. Glad someone else invented the same phrase as me.
So random.
This guys personality is contagious. He seems fun to be around.
This guys passion and energy got me excited about population collapse! Great guest and interview
I am an ex-amphetamine user and I'm 1000% sure that guy is high off his ass on them during this interview.
Scrote logic: If letting women have human rights reduces the population, then we need to take away women’s rights. There could be no other way to approach this issue.
Now I’m excited about population collapse AND amphetamines!
@@hokusai4687 I like the way you think!!!
@@hokusai4687 They're the best feeling on the planet(stupid amounts of extra dopamine) as long as you don't make them your life. I only stopped using them because I got a job paying stupid money that requires I not have them in my system. Looking forward to retiring and reusing them stat.
As a conservative Christian in a blue city I’m seeing all this first hand. Our church is far above replacement rate and the biggest shift in our thinking over the last five years is not homeschooling your children is a shameful thing. Even private Christian school is looked at suspiciously.
suspiciously how?
@@stupedcraig We see the same thing as Mr. Collins sees, most teachers are liberals and when you send your children to school they spend more time with the teachers than the parents. When you send your children to Caesar for their education don’t be surprised when they come back as Romans. The private schools are still squishy and can still be liberal light. More importantly though the Biblical model is that the family is responsible for education
Hope your Christian parents have more than a highschool education to homeschool their kids. If not it's a vicious swirl downwards with every generation which will be indoctrinated with that Christianity cult
100% spot on. I work as a private tutor for a local fundamentalist church. I was raised Christian but not currently practicing. But they know I'm on the level with everything they teach. I admire these people. Just healthy families. Traditional family structures and traditional values work. This resentful, liberal, bs culture does not work. On a fundamental biological level, it simply doesn't work. When I have children, I def plan on homeschooling them or doing some kind of "homeschooling collective" with other like-minded parents.
I agree. I'm 35, my first child is next month, and we are homeschooling. My wife is 25 and she will be staying home. It's hard to do, but it is worth it.
The problem with this generation is: I want to have kids, 2 minimum but I cant AFFORD to have them. The past 20 years all I've been doing is trying to survive in the turbulent market. First the crisis of 2008, then COVID, now Ukraine....stabilise the world and maybe things will change
But the world has never been "stable." The world wasn't stable through the Great Depression, both Word Wars, English Civil War, American Civil War, *insert war/famine/economic depression* here. Yet people still strived and had children. I think there's something more to this population decline than merely a "turbulent" time. I'm glad you want to have kids, though. I have two below 5 years old and it's the best decision we ever made. Reading some of the comments here is quite depressing and explains a lot of the western world's population collapse. I think the only antidote is to ask those with grown-up kids if it was a good decision (regardless of economic times/situation): I've never heard anyone with grown-up kids saying it was a bad decision. In fact, quite the opposite: it's unanimously the best decision of their lives.
@@filmmakinglifestyle It would also explain eastern population collapses. I think about Japan and South Korea having huge economic bubbles pop and not having genuine recoveries.
This is nonsense. Look at the 20th century. People still had families.
I have spent hours on this channel. Chris is an eloquent interviewer. I learn a lot every day. Thank you.
The most fascinating aspect of the phenomenon is how housing prices are COMPLETELY immune to population decline. The housing in east Asia seems to only go up regardless of how much of a ghost town the place is. At least for the cities. Rural ghost towns go from being expensive to being ghost towns that aren't worth living in at all.
is it? house prices in attractive areas will remain high or go up more even, right now this is cities as this is where people are flocking to. many rural properties have already become worthless in many countries.
Sometimes investment firms rig the economy. Could you imagine what would happen if there were no Blackrocks or Vanguards?
China's housing market is tanking, even in Beijing and Shanghai, and the decline is still going. China Insights posted a video recently of a guy buying a bunch of apartments to use as warehousing for his online shop; the most he paid for an apartment was $15,000 (with the cheapest being $150).
@@deanchur Literally any property (even slightly more spacious than a dog cabin) in Beijing and Shanghai is way more expensive than $15,000. It is done for purpose: military and police staff gets it for free and they will stay loyal even if they are ordered to butcher their own mothers. Everybody else take 50-60 years mortgage and die before they pay it out, their children inherit their properties with mortgage liabilities.
It's investment speculation; they apparently use the value of the property as collateral against more property/loans to get funds that aren't taxable. They can't lower the property value because then the web of investment deals they've made would collapse. Like many things, they're not going to revert it until they're forced to because it would kill their job/livelihood/security.
I finished college, went to work, got married, and immediately wanted children. I was 25. I told my husband I wanted to stay home with our children. After lots of thought and discussion, we agreed i would work part time. When I first brought my son home, I was shocked at how much I wanted to be with him and how strongly I didn't want to hand him over to a baby sitter or a daycare. Why did no one prepare me for this? I was angry at all the women who had been my teachers. I was angry at my mom and my aunts. I left work and never went back. Raising children is all consuming but worth it. There is no carreer that could bring me this joy.
Thanks lady
This is how most women should be until the children grow up.
it's not a career and you'll be bored and have nothing to do once you send it to school
@@johnsonspark171 Says John the expert on life.
@@johnsonspark171 Yes it can go to school and the clothes need washing, the food needs preparing and the home needs taking care of. Boring to some nurturing to others!!
The interviewer said Having kids is not pleasurable but may be meaningful? It is pleasurable!! Having kids is the best thing ever!!!
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Having kids is selfish af
@@rolfkrajewski4975 You have it backwards. It takes great sacrifice and work to get a great spouse, and to create a healthy and nurturing environment for children. Any mammal can get pregnant but having children is not about just that. Being a miserable consumer who doesn't create anything worthwhile is selfish.
@edheldude that child never asked to be born, you created that child purely for your own selfish desire and amusement and now it has to live through all the suffering and misery in the world.
@@rolfkrajewski4975 Suffering is optional, pain is not. Suffering is pain you don't accept, and if you accept it as part of the process of life, you'll see life is benevolent. Misery only exists where love does not. I understand your stance if you're a secular hedonistic nihilist like many people nowadays. It's your choice to be in misery, but there's other options too. And I know suffering - I had cptsd. Now healed.
I'm not about to pollute the gene pool with the mess that is me. Nor am I willing to go through the ups and downs of parenting.
And the ups and downs are way bigger than your ups and downs without kids.
I love joking about not taking a piss in the gene pool.
Production above all else. Kids were great when they were producing on the farms. But now they don't, in fact they can take away from their parent's production. If you want more kids, society needs to value family as much as production.
100%
But the production part also touches heavily on agriculture and a fuckton of knowledge in chemistry with the type of consumerism to avoid a possible tsunami of poisoning ourselves.
It means bring back ALL jobs we sent to China and every single other country in the world. The United States should have manufacturing jobs. The United States needs to be self sufficient.
The research that says kids from dual income households have better mental health than those from single income? Yeah... I'm gonna need to check that paper. It's absurd. Think attachment. Think separation anxiety. Think bonding. Your kid is better off being put in childcare at 6 months (common)? Having a Brazilian 19 yr old to tell your biggest fears when mum is at a board meeting? Watching your parents bicker over who has to leave the office early to pick up the kids? Not having a family breakfast but rather eating a diabetes inducing breakfast at childcare? Sorry, that's absolutely laughable.
Society has always valued production over all else. When the machines get good enough to take over the production fully, watch people be actively barred from reproducing like it used to be in China.
I'm Portuguese, that has a very old population. And everytime i go back home, it's pretty crazy seeing so many old people out on the streets. And younglings are not having kids anymore.
It's also a dying culture. The country you once knew will soon be empty and forgotten.
yeh childcare is so expensive. why would you............ in ireland it's becoming like china, smart people have one.
I was checking the divorce rate for Portugal the other day and was shocked to see it’s 92%. Could you, as a Portuguese, speculate on why this might be?
Yes shocking, its system fault, it's more cheap to open to massive immigrations than support natality policies
@@solrosenberg4529 I'm going to speculate and say money. It's a very struggling economy. It never really recovered properly from the '08 crash and politically it only became more socialist so it's hard for the economy to grow in this environment too. Also, it's probably values. People our age lost most sense of morality. In older generations the christian values prevailed but now everyone wants to live like the Americans but it's hard on 800 bucks a month and 40% taxes. It's a beautiful country, in many ways a true oasis but it's a shame it's people and it's leaders can't get their shit together.
This Malcolm guy has incredible energy! His excitement to share knowledge, and lean into facts, is something I identify with. We need more passionate teachers, because there are people with a thirst for information, and how we can live better as people.
The one ths talks like Sahiro
One of the most interesting and thought provoking things I have watched of late. Fascinating interviewee, and the questions from Chris are to the point.
All I know is that the severe psychological and verbal abuse at the hands of my boomer catholic parents is a huge part of the reason all my four siblings and I never had kids. We're still dealing with the effects of the abuse and are refuse to bring into the world more people who could get hurt from us not being healed yet
Yeah I had abusive catholic parents too. They were uneducated nightmares. Did they ever threaten you with a exorcism too? Sadly, I have kids but at the same time I don't have one side of the family to help out so thats one reason why I wont have more. I want my kids to have mentally stable and healthy grandparents that can actually pitch in and help.
If only fully mentally healthy people will get children then we are doomed. My mother was a big abuser and I am probably very far from an ideal father as a result. But nevertheless my mother had 2 sons and I have 2 daughters. We can only hope that out children will get better than us...
Some people just don't get how hard you can screw up children with hellfire and brimstone bullshit.
Damn
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is the case with the Boomers abusing their children. And the case where a lot of East Asian women don't feel like putting themselves into that vulnerable state without all the support that the western system provides. But a lot of these places are not rich enough to have those support in place.
This guy is great. Every question is a ‘fascinating question’ to him and he means it. I need to be this passionate about literally anything in my life. You go Malcom
That's because he has the mind of a woman. He/she is part of the problem. He has like zero testosterone and has no room to talk about having kids. It's balls have to drop 1st. He/she's like the Jiffy that has no nutts
Actually he is an incredibly stupid and ignorant individual. Overpopulation is exploding. The ideal amount of people in the world is around 200,000 and we should do our best to try to go back to that.
I'm partly with him, but even if there's 1 child per woman, 100 people would have 12 great grandchildren.
Nah, it's an act. He's trying to establish a brand, but hyperactive 9 year old's don't inspire confidence. Why does it say you have 3 replies but only shows 1?
I wonder why he thinks more=better. He's a smart guy but clearly you can look at india or china as it is right now and see that there is quantity over quality. I'd rather have 1 billion super model geniuses rather than 10 billion retards.
Great point about cultural hope. Feels like our gov in US has turned against it's own people in last 40 years.
You feel that way because it’s true! They want us to spend spend spend and be dependent on them so they can have power over us.
The last 5-10 years has been on another level. Especially under Biden with the weaponization of the FBI, DOJ and the IRS against political opponents high and low.
Leftists say the complete opposite lol
West in general
Since the end of WWII and operation Paperclip.
I love Malcolm’s energy to explain stuff. Very interesting conversation
I think he’s just absolutely thrilled to have a wife and children, and wants everyone else to experience his happiness. He probably didn’t think it was going to happen for him. This simply isn’t the same reality many others are living in.
I can't stand kids and would be absolutely miserable having them
20:00 As a 30yr old women I completely agree. I am desperately trying to be economical stable but this economy is a dam nightmare. Dating and finding an economically stable partner is Also near impossible. I want 4 kids but I can barely afford myself and I don't have a 'fabulous' life. The cost of living is atrocious and meritocracy is a complete lie. I was raised to believe that working hard would benefit you but all it has gotten me since I left University is Nowhere.
Unfortunately single women over 30 have a pretty low batting average when it comes to finding a suitable mate and kids get further and further away as the months go by. Sorry.
good luck it will only get worse PC gender confusion feminism Government against the old school family a man can no longer run his family he ends up in Prison if he puts his foot down P*SS on USA
Have you cut things so you can invest more?
When you double the workforce the cost of living doubles. When you punish producers to reward consumers people become consumers. When the average man has no chance of a family he withdraws from society. When you take God out of society families lose their natural order. I think you can put these together to figure out the big picture here.
@@huntmatthewd well said Sir could not agree more with you.
Malcolm is extremely intelligent. He speaks very well. I really struggle with long form media lately, but this was effortless to listen to. Brilliant.
"There are no solutions. There are only trade-offs. " Thomas Sowell said this, and it is proven to be more true every day.
I make this point every time someone says something about old fashioned ways as experiements that worked. I argue that they were an economic compromise that people stopped tolerating.
My mother had 6 kids. She's so badass and my hero. I'm not her, though. I want to have a family but it doesn't seem realistic at all. I can work hard to take care of her when she is older. That's my main priority.
So much of our view on having children is based on our own experiences as a child. My parents are still together, but they argued constantly, never seemed happy and I felt like my mum regretted having children. l don't ever recall explicitly thinking "look how unhappy they are, I should not get married and have kids". But I can't help think it shaped my views without realising it.
Mine split and my mother constantly compared me to my dad and talked about how much she hated him Now she wonders why I'm single and she doesn't have grandchildren When your childhood was awful you usually don't want to make children
@@chrispekel5709 I won't say mine was awful, lots of kids had it much worse than me. All of my physical needs were taken care of, I went to a good school, we had holidays etc. But the emotional bond that a family should have wasn't there. My mum also talked about hating my dad. They never celebrated their wedding anniversary, my mum would sneer at the idea. I would look at other married couples who spoke to each other with love and respect and not understand why my parents couldn't do the same. I willed them to get divorced so they could meet other people and at least both be happy.
Great point...
The sexual revolution They also thought..too many kids were born in the 50s & 60s 5:43 Also, look how he dresses It may help, to dress less "unisex" Men in ties, women in dresses/skirts
@@kathleenking47 Wow, talk about having an outdated mindset. You wanna go back in time where men and women could only be husband/father and wife/mother rather than be whatever they want?Where women had no voice(unless a man spoke for them) and were treated worse than nowadays?Where men couldn't express their feelings(or even be allowed to feel at all) least they be called "gay"(as if being gay was an insult)? Tell you what, you want to live this archaic views on life, you can simply travel to countries where those are enforced but know this: most(if not all) of those countries are dictatorships with few human rights.
I think it is so important that parents actually want the children they bring into the world. The worst thing is a parent who doesn't want children but still has them. Picking up the cost of neglected children who wind up under bridges addicted to drugs or worse is a huge drain. We need to change the economy so that it benefits existing people rather than creating more people just to benefit the economy (but actually turn out to be a drain). If you want kids, great. But if you don't want them, please don't have them.
Well, there are not enough parents who want to have children in order to have replacement rate. It's actually one of the reasons why it's so low. There are no good reasons to have children today other than being a time-costly and expensive hobby. It's the reason only the poor and very wealthy can afford to have them.
I agree 100% with you.
I always make this point. Let the "Doesn't actually want children" genes go extinct and the world will be a better place.
Fair enough, but it's worth asking why so many more people feel that way. There are economic and cultural reasons why people don't want to breed.
Here's another perspective: I wanted children, then didn't bond with my firstborn. To say it was awful is an understatement. To love her was a choice I made with my actions every day. Eventually when she was 18 months old, and I was pregnant with my second, we bonded over Pavarotti lol. That was 3 years ago and she's such a doll now. We have 3 kiddos (1 is adopted) and I had no trouble connecting with babies #2 and #3.
This was really amazing. I listened 2x for how over my head it was.
So basically in the next 100 years we're looking at a bronze age collapse level cataclysm in terms of "collapse of complex systems". Bloody lovely!
I think most of the problem with relationships is that people can no longer speak to each other. People live their lives vicariously via the phone/net. No effort and you can side swipe. Talking takes empathy, the ability to hold a conversation, people are lazy and can't be bothered and have become so welded to their phones that they can no longer hold a conversation at all. I'm watching it happen with my grandchildren.
Conversing is a skill that's sadly not being practiced. I'm 28 but I've definitely seen it in cousins up to 12 years younger than me.
@@elizabethk3238 I bet you live in a hellacious city. Stay there. Keep your family there. Stay out of my neighborhood. Stay in your left-wing prisons and keep your post-modern hell to yourselves.
You sound like you have had a house for decades..rent is so oppressive and cost of housing..a family can't be happy ina one room apartment
@elizabethk3238 you have a valid point, but do not force women onto a path they do not want. The largest demographic on antidepressants are single, middle aged, childless women. Let women make their own minds up.
Single women without children are not the biggest demographic of anti depressant users. I cannot find any research online that supports your statement.
I can explain the population collapse in one word: hopelessness. The world is hopeless from lack of a future of freedom and prosperity.
Do you know why that is? In my humble POV it is bred by design. To give you context The dark ages where known as such due to freedoms being suppressed by the Church it hindered progression for around 500 years scientifically and in many other sectors. In our Morden time progression has and still is being hindered by corporations they control governments and its organisations and this hinders progress because they socially engineer people to be dependent on their bullshit this in turn stops individual freedom of expression in art science music. Look at the utter fucking state of all of it at the minute. some shmuk can semi peel a banana and call it art people mumble on songs and call it music. This shit is huge and like a disease it has spread through out human society and it is quite literally holding us in place. thus creating a huge sense of hopelessness people just look at it all and think what is the point.
There will be people migrations. Thats all. Life goes on. Koreans are marrying foreigners .
Literacy has increased, conspiracy theorist have sounded the horn on this system and how it owns people as property from birth and people now want to live for themselves not brings more slaves for a system which only uses and discards them
Caused mainly by "corporate" capitalism and the band aid solutions to them (like mass immigration - through no fault of the immigrant - is often used as a band aid solution to the problems caused by capitalism.
then why the poorest countries have the highest birth rate?
Shortly after I got married my wife and I decided not to have children. It was mainly for financial reasons. We are fairly well off with both of us working, but if one of us couldn't work for a bit to take care of a child or if we had to pay for childcare suddenly we are no longer financially stable. Neither one of us wanted to live on the edge of financial collapse just to have children.
Wow…you are missing out. There are lots of ways to make money - having a child in your life is so worth finding a way to supplement income at home.👶
@@davisholman8149 We don't feel like we are missing out, but get told we are on occasion. Thanks I guess. :)
@@davisholman8149 Share them then lol
@@davisholman8149you must be missing out. Stop projecting that onto others.
@@davisholman8149There are NOT a lot of ways to make money!
This guy is humorously educating. His perspective is spot on in my opinion and a head of the game.
My wife loved raising our children! She went back to work 1 day and never went back for 8 years. Having some immature people raise your children in day care is not something we thought was right for our family. We made lots of consessions but it was worth it
Too bad that won't make a difference in the long run. Society is figuring out ways to 'capture' fractional and marginal groups like yours one-by-one. In 5 years, AI and the web will have your progeny under it's 'spell'.
I know but judges in Family Court will excoriate a mother who didn't go back to work from day one. In, NYC, no one will ever give you a job again if you stop working, unless you're Jewish, in which case, they help their own. Or if you take low status jobs below your education.
I'm sorry but employers are dying for really good workers. I completely disagree.
@@Savagetennis They want but they don't want to pay or train.
@@cynthiagonzalez658employer is not educator
I look at this pretty simply, most ppl my age (I'm an older millennial) hardly have enough money to buy a house, make car payments, bill payments, gas, insurance etc... it's hard enough to buy food and clothes for yourself... never mind adding 2-3 kids into the mix. Toss in modern dating culture (dating apps/social media etc.) and that doesn't help with things either. Basically modern society has failed at reproducing for a variety of reasons.
If your concern is mainly financial, then it's just a numbers game. If meeting someone virtually isn't going anywhere, then try going out and meeting people in-person. I met my husband while taking a self-defense class. We're 33 and 38, respectively. We have 3 kids and the youngest is adopted. We're planning on adopting again. Full disclosure, when we got married we received a financial gift from our families which enabled us to make a 20% down payment on a modest home. Other than our mortgage, we avoid debt. He's a plumber (before that he hauled wood and brush debris for a tree company), I work out of the house in an admin role while watching the kids. We eat rice and beans twice a week and have very little discretionary spending. I make kombucha and kefir at home for a fraction of what it costs at the store. Listen, I'm sincerely not trying to boast. I want you to succeed in meeting someone and start a family, and I'm just throwing out ideas re: what's worked for us. If you really want this, don't blame society (it's not hot). Make changes in your own life. But, real talk, you should ask yourself if these reasons are just scapegoats for you not wanting kids, or not wanting to change. Peace.
Very educated and intelligent speaker. I learned a lot from him
My childhood was quite traumatic, so I already knew in my single digit years I'd never want kids. And now, at 68 years of age, I'm glad I never had any.
Sir hi, what's your opinion on the philosophy of antinatalism?
We have so many chemicals, unhealthy “foods”, medicines, jabs, and lifestyle problems hurting fertility rates. It will be difficult even if people wake up.
You are waking people up - thank you!
Plenty of info about the jabs affecting longevity, health and fertility. Not good news.
I thought this guy was a little off putting after the first couple of minutes but he turned out to be one of my favorite guests. Great topic and great talk.
We keep getting told that the planet is struggling, carbon footprint, species mass extinctions, young people dont want to add to the problem, dont have children and make it worse.
Persistent inflation has destroyed the living standards of Westerners, but still burdening us with MUCH higher living costs than 'third world' peoples. The decline of children mirrors the real decline in our living standards. The endless government deficit spending is literally mortgaging our future, and driving down the real value of our wages. Are we really wealthier than the 1950's, if we now have to have two income earners working overtime just to pay for a house that one breadwinner could have afforded in the past ?
Very few people realise the long-term effects on fertility that the pandemic, the energy price shocks, the "cost of living" crisis and general future uncertainty will have. When coupled with the fact that some 40% of young teenagers in the west now identify as LGBT, climate hysteria, AI and robots displacing jobs, a further downward spiral into population collapse is inevitable.
Absolutly! That is why we say our goal is to get people onto lifeboats not to stop the titanic from hitting the ice burg.
Where did you get that statistic from regarding 40% of young teenagers identify as LGBT? For the timeframe of “now”, the statistics simply do not exist. Most studies cover 2019/2020/2021, there are no statistics anywhere that support 40%, it is a LOT lower than that. You’ll be lucky to find any statistics that support even 20% of gen z.
@@Osmosis909 For a demographic claiming to be a disadvantaged minority, the percentage rise of their community in such a short time period cannot be explained by simple statistics.
Some people claim it because they get all the advantages of being the oppressed group. If there were no special benefits, numbers would drop back down to natural levels.
As an educated 45 y/o female, this conversation hits home. Thank you, for your meaningful contribution to today’s society.
What if optimal reproductive choices were decipherable physical attributes, not eugenics… then compare this between the 5k USD income threshold?!?!?
Educated....ugh
@@CaseyJohn-ki8eo only means I spent too much money on mostly useless knowledge…
Personally I had children with no consideration in my mind of economics. For me and my wife, it was an existential imperative.
"As an educated 45 y/o female" To many people especially women view their education as the peak accomplishment in life. Considering the majority of college students and grads are women and its easy in the west to go get a degree its really not a big deal. Its a means to make more money in life and really should just be viewed as that.
I'm not sure I agree with him about IVG and genetic altering, but man, Malcolm is brilliant. I get how people may not understand his thinking (he didn't really build up an argument to support a lot of his points) but as someone who has a lot of similar perspectives to him, he articulates and develops the ideas way further and better than I ever could, and it's clear he has a real love of knowledge and does a lot of reading and research to arrive at the points that he does. Definitely gonna look more into him and his work.
In any tradition across the world, children are or were usually raised in a community of villagers, neighbours, relatives, uncles and aunts, plus their parents, the modern lifestyle has reduced that community down to just a few people or even one person, this is also why it's harder to have children in 2023. Also as a married childless (for now) couple we see way more examples of disfunctional and broken families starting from those of our own parents and even our friends of the same age, and then very few who actually make a good home, it can be very discouraging even if finance wasn't an issue.
You think the automobile was an enabling technology?
'Conservative Christians' are not a racial monoculture: every colour, tribe and (almost) every language has some believers.
Animals seldom breed well in captivity. Time and energy spent wringing hands over the plummeting birth rate might be better spent recovering liberty.
Thank you for mentioning this. I've read Darwin's book and he also mentions this. Reproduction of species is very sensitive to environment. Changing the lifestyle can definitely affect desire to have children. I don't agree with you that it is because we are in captivity. Any change can affect reproduction, for example excessive availability of entertainment, lost traditions and negative cash flow of having child.
@@cloud-dragon hormonal birth control and no fault divorce have played a large role in America. It’s also the pivot point for when economic productivity skyrocketed but wages stayed flat in relation to it.
@@Savvynomad225 don't agree about economics affecting children. Quite the contrary - poorest countries have most the children. But definitely it's cultural issue - contract between men and women is broken. No one wants to sign it.
@@cloud-dragon agreed. So many problems are causing this, but income is one of the lowest. I have friends with low income jobs having kids and I would too. It's definitely a liberty thing, people want more money because liberty has been monetized. Then people get trapped in consumerism because we get used to money buying freedoms/options. That's on top of today's trashy dating culture. It's very hard to date because a significant amount of people do not make suitable partners. The birth control pill also has a huge blame for today's issues.
We're in a behavioural sink. Well they - cowardly, narcissistic, immature childless people - are, I'm happy with my life, with my kids, & my proud carbon footprint
I’m at least 62% more inclined to believe what he’s saying just because of how enthusiastically he says it. Great vibes 🤗
Reasons imo: On a personal level: Egoism, narcissism, not wanting commitment or responsibilities + screwed up expectations and dating-market (Hook up culture + lifelong project as a kid? Does not go well). On a societal level: Too expensive to have 2-3 kids, unsafe economy, climat, pending wars etc.
I think my ancestors had kids by mistake. They were doing what they thought they should and they were wrong. They were not parent material. People just had kids because it's what people did. Now those people are saying no thanks I'm busy on TikToc and I think THAT'S GREAT. THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE KIDS. My only concern with self obsessed people on social is they may hook up with another narcissist and think a baby would make a fantastic accessory for their feed 🤯
If they are self satisfied they will have happy self satisfied kids
Yep. Ppl had kids cause that’s just what you did
Yes, sex drive does not equal reproductive drive. I love joking about how humankind would be different if contraceptives were a constant throughout all of history.
@@Yomel123 - they had kids because there was no birth control. My grandad was one of ten children, born in the 1930s. My mum was one of five born in the 1960s. Then birth control came along and birth rates fell below replacement rates within a generation. If life expectancies hadn't increased at the same time we'd be in an even worse state population-wise. But i don't blame anyone who decides not to bring children into the world. There's this belief that society owes us nothing and yet we owe society what it needs to continue. And yet, what is society? It's just us, the people within it who we are told aren't owed anything, so how can society be owed anything? So who/what exactly do we owe our children to if not the people who make up society who we're told aren't owed anything? There's a contradiction there. A paradox. And i think the *real* answer to that question would be a 'pulling back the curtain' moment on who/what perpetuates the idea that we are owed nothing by society but owe everything to it. Because i don't believe the 'society' we owe our lives to is really society...
@@nagillim7915 To me, it's just the capitalist owner class that wants all the benefits of future laborers, as it makes the current laborers the ones who bear the expense of making future laborers. It is profiteering off externalities.
What an animated character, I really warmed to him at the end, his giddy enthusiasm was rather charming and contagious 😊 another great podcast Chris! 👌
His hyperactivity is annoying.
I thought he was Colbert at first.
Too many Red Bull drinks before the podcast. Great podcast though.
this guy was high off his ass on amphetamines i don't believe any of this was core tenets rather adderall-speak.
Scrote logic: If letting women have human rights reduces the population, the only solution is to take away women’s rights. There could be no other way to approach this issue.
Not having children wasn’t a choice by me, I’ve never possessed the desire to have children or even interacting with women when it comes to mating. Not helped by having parents that focused so totally on money that everything else got ignored.
I used to want to mate with women BADLY but now I do not give a crap.
Dating for a guy like me is pretty much not happening in todays world... plus it is expensive to have kids. I am struggling enough as it is, why force another being into this world just to struggle even more? I am barely living comfortably as it is.
Brother what's your opinion on the philosophy of antinatalism?
Excuses, excuses. Not the worst excuses 😆
You have single educated people that have to live with their parents because they can’t even afford rent for a one bedroom apartment.
You know this and I know this. It’s evident.
Yep that's me especially living in California
rich people are panicking that everyday people are opting out of endless slavery and that they will actually have to get their hands dirty with no more slaves left to exploit
Bingo!
I would watch his wife's interview. He seems excitable. I can only imagine her. That interview definitely raised my awareness of population collapse further than my previous thoughts on the matter.
I knew at 14 that I absolutely want NO kids, over the years that resolve only strengthened. I found a spouse that also wanted NO kids. I took measures to assure that there would be no accidents and we couldn't be happier. I am sorry that there are so many childless couples that really wanted children. But we are one of the childfree couples that are very happy.
In the world there are creators and parasites. Congratulations on being a parasite sucking off the benefit of having children from the past, and not producing any for the future.
One thinks you protest too much. Your projection is palpable.
@@MyAirMyles pot meet kettle
That’s great you found someone who shares your desires in not having kids & more importantly you are happy! I myself have never wanted kids either. But unfortunately I have dated guys who find this out and see it it as a challenge to change my mind which ends in very difficult break ups when they realize my mind will not be changed.
Same. Got a vasectomy at 18. Best decision ever. No financial issues and stress-free. Honest parenting forums shows many find it exhausting and gives them little to no joy.
Hey I am from Turkey, since Ottomans missed the industrial revolution and it was up to the last century for all the development to be done to catch the developed nations all done in a chore. From villagers to city dwellers with PhD.s. And here we are, I feel a constant extinction. 6 siblings my grandma from my father's, my father had 2 siblings, I am a single child and I was barely able to make a child with my wife in my 36 after 5 years of treatment when I was married to my wife after 7 years of relationship for 8 years when she was born. And she is 1.5 years old now. My wife's brother is 30, single. Out of my 4 cousins only 1 had a child. It is the same for my wife's side. That is extinction, nothing less.
Good. Westerners should have less children. The entitlement is unbearable
extinction is real, more close than masses think, well masses dont think in that, for now
LoL. It's Capitalism. Capitalism gives with one hand and takes with the other.
@@VeeKayGreenerGrass Capitalism is to hold MEN accountable. Women are taught to be charitable, generous, and share hence why women tend to lean more Communist.
@@suezcontours6653 yes. Women are either independent or interdependent with other women. Men are codependent, so Patriarchy (propped by Capitalism) was put in place to ensure women help them along. This collapse of population is really a collapse of patriarchy.
You don't often get to witness something like this. Malcolm Collins, from what I can tell, genuinely cares about the fate of humanity and has peered into the void.
I do NOT care.
I doubt he cares as he doesn't know suffering if what he promotes. He seems like clueless do gooder who enjoys the popular attention of something he is doing.
@@jjgeoffphhcinkkllee Well if you don't care, why would you comment. Seems you care quite a bit. But about what? I don't know. At this point 25 people liked my comment, but didn't reply which I would argue, means they care less about my comment than you. If you truly didn't care, you would have simply skimmed over my comment and it would have been lost to the void of your reality. Yet, you felt the need to tell me "I do NOT care". Why? What does that even mean? Did you go through all the comments telling people you don't care about what they said? You might want to explore this activity in your life.
If he cared about the fate of humanity he wouldnt be for having so many kids. The worlds resources are strained as hell right now, a few billion less people would be ultimately far more sustainable and environmentally sound.
@@jebes909090 You must have missed the whole population collapse part.
I just love how excited he gets everytime he's asked a new question.
It's because we're broke... The prospect of having children is just a huge liability.
Capitalism, look at what your greed as caused.
@@devirama1 Our? Do you live in a society with better economic system. Can't be socialist they are failing even harder.
raising a child born in 2015 you can expect to pay 300,000. by the time they are 17...it's too expensive. I came from severe poverty I am older now. We could barely manage when I was younger. As I get older with health problems I am trying to set up for my senior years. Children would not help,I would be in a worse situation back to extreme poverty.
So weird that poor people have plenty of children. Almost as if it’s not related
@@devirama1 So communism is the solution? Lmao
Your guest obviously loves this topic. He’s very excited over the subject matter. Great guest. He clearly know what he is talking about.
@@JeffCaplan313 umm did you watch it? He’s married with kids
Thank you for the kind words! I wish I had my wife on with me for this one.
@@willow05 yes, I watched it and loved it. Married with kids is a blessing and a joy of life. I thank God for my wife and family everyday.
_"'cos, if you spam kids, they're gonna breed like caged panda bears."_ This both made me want to laugh, and cry, in equal measure. Wow. Underrated phrase.
I'm so impressed by their intelligence and eloquence. Malcolm's rapid speech is very dense with original ideas and insight. Chris doesn't stuggle to keep up. He can somehow keep all these points in his head and then distill the most important one for a very concise question to ask. This is, without a doubt, one of the best interviews I've ever seen. Well done ! :)
Chris is the first person I have heard on youtube who has expressed sympathy for older women who didn't have kids becuase they were misled by their culture and now, post-fertility, have regrets. At 54:09 : "I don't see why there isn't any sympathy out there ...What about all the people out there who were told 'you don't need to have kids to have a fulfilling life' who did want to become mothers but had their preferences nudged in the opposite direction...break through their fertility window and grieve for families they never had." Well said. Thank you for expressing sympathy for my group: old and childless. Yes, I am grieiving for the children I didn't have (how very astutue of you) and it is very painful. Perhaps you've had interviews with this group (are we called "crones" or "spinsters"? IDK). Thank you for saying what no one else has said.
As a woman in her early 20’s I would love to marry and have couple of children of my own before 30. But with cost of living, work demands and stress, and not good of people (not all), and of course the society we’re living right now, makes me wondering if I want to bring my children into this cruel world. I am in healthcare and with right track and right cert, I could rise up, but it comes with cost; my mental and physical health. I aware that I have weak body and won’t be able to work vigorously like my colleagues.
Nice try using Korea instead of the USA knowing how self destructive they are.
Don’t give up hope. Find a purpose to give you the reason to live and flourish! 😊
You are self aware and I appreciate that. This world sucks, it’s not easy to have a family when you can barely afford housing
Thought so too. Have married friends. Have friends with boyfriends. You will change. Married today,with one cute cute son. Your child gives you so much joy. More than branded clothes, nice car. Love , family change your priority. Love is sharing Share
Unless you are a psychopath, (and you don't seem to be), life takes on a different meaning after children, it isn't easy, and the state of the world shouldn't have an effect on your decision, despite your argument having much sense all the same. I have imagined myself without my children now I'm 53, and it would not have been a pretty picture. That much I'm convinced of.
I would like to have Malcolm converse with Ben Shapiro to hear how fast they would converse.
It's not that people don't want to have children. Muslim ppl are still getting married and having kids both in the west and East. Hence our population is growing. In the west most of the men are now incel and the women delay marriage and childbirth. Leading to population collapse. They are not replacing themselves and are rapidly ageing.
We wouldn't understand a single word !!
It'd be a verbal race of Wally West and Barry Allen 😂
I would love that too! But Ben Shapiro thanks I am a nerd. Supose that is its own kind of award. To be called a nerd by ben Sahpiro.
Yeah that would be a conversation on fast forward.
Malcolm is great! Hope you have him back.
"When you call something weird, when you call something cringe, what you are saying is that this diferates from the social norm to which you are accustomed" - This blew my mind!
Please have him again as a guest, his level of enthusiast and amazing fact are very fun to watch and also informative
Thanks! I would love to do this show again ... or better yet have my wife!
As a parent of 4 children I must say if we need to move the needle with more kids we need to be more encouraging of larger families. It is increasingly difficult for people to even have 1 even 2. Financial incentives, childcare, child benefit allowances etc to help support young families.
100% correct. The cost of raising a child is obscene nowadays. Daycare itself costs thousands and you need two parents working to afford that unless one parent is making 100k+. It's not feasible for the average person given yearly earnings of your average American, or really any other country.
Ah, yes, free shit fixes everything. 😂😅😂😅😂
Give me the acquisitive power of the 70s for all the social classes and all problems are solved instantaneously.
@@rexmann1984 we don't even whince an eye to the billions we spend in subsidies to oil companies and defense contractors but we don't want to spend money on the labor we need for the human race to exist because it's "free shit?" Makes sense. This idiocy is why we deserve to go extinct.
@@F_itaca9456 is that sarcasm? Because it sounds like sarcasm.
I have never listened to a podcast twice... until this one.
Elders who want to be grandparents should let their family know that they will be supportive.
Definitely doing my part as a mother of 6 children! All wonderful, beautiful and smart children who walk their own path and doing great things for our world!
So you have single handedly destroyed the efforts of 3 families in trying to maintain a population capable of existing on this planet without overconsumption. Thank you very much for each and every one of your consuming and defecating children. I'm sure they will all go on to cure cancer some day.
Me too lol. Just had my 6th and I know they are the best blessing and gift ever. Might even have a few more just to middle finger the eugenicists lol
What about grandchildren?
Would polygyny (POLYGYNY) help to give more women a better chance at a better marriage? I believe it would have a significant positive effect on marriage. The problem is that currently it is not legal.
@@jakebredthauer5100 harems are not the answer lol, most people (at least women) actually want a meaningful relationship with a partner, not someone who keeps them alongside other sex pets.
Corporations are discouraged from hiring employees with children as they feel that they won't prioritize their work. This is a large part of the issue.
Don't hire women then. Wages will increase too, making children more viable.
Yes totaly agree! We talk about this all the time.
Anecdotally, they are right! My coworker has 5 kids…he’s out an average of 4 days per month!
As an employer, this is largely true and not the fault of the parent it’s just true.
That's funny because as a single guy I can easily walk away anytime and go work for someone else, or even just not work at all for several months.
Excellent. Thanks for dropping all the data, unbiased!