BUY IT.
Finally, a worthy successor to the phenomenal Sennheiser Game One. Damn near everything on this headset gets 5 stars. If you are in the market for an open-back gaming headset, THIS IS THE ONE.
Audio: 5/5
Comfort: 5/5
Microphone: 5/5
Price: 4.5/5
Software: N/A
What a godamn god dudes straight making a review with his own flesh and blood next to him
" if your having issues, you need to invest in some head and shoulders" LOL line had me laughing. Good stuff!
Solid straight to the point review. The co-host was great!
Great review man. Simple and straight to the point, just the way I like it.
This video is proof that you don't need to spend 20+ hours on a video to make it good, just get straight to the point and have the content be well-rounded to hook people to come back.
Thanks a lot man. Always nice to see comments like this.
i love the format of the video... and how he tells you everything you need to know from the start. he doesn't waste time
Thanks for this awesome review. I bought them as my first gaming sennheiser headphones but have to wait a whole month for them... my friend has the game one and recommended those but as these are new i went for them.. cant wait!
i was looking for a game one vs pc37x video and didnt realize it was about the 38x until minutes in but i thoroughly enjoyed this review until the end good stuff man
I have had my game ones for 9 years now. Mic finally broke/cracked. Came to this video to see the difference. Thank you!
Finally an honest straight to the point review without all the noise. Im thinking of upgrading from 37x to 38x.
Finally a good comparison review - thank you.
Sounds good! I am waiting for my shipment of these taking abit of time since I live in Sweden, but hearing this makes me even more excited. Been using the Sennheiser PC 360 G4ME since... 2011 I think? And yeah they have lasted that long so when it comes to build quality, believe it when someone sais they're good :P I only upgraded because all those years of wear and tear they finally start to become feeling abit loose here and there and the chushion is starting to show it's been through alot. Gonna be nice with some fresh ones with even better sound :D
I needed this video man. Thank you :)
I'm "upgrading" from my Game One's after 6 years. They didn't break, but the cable was shot and i figured I could use a new set of cans. On to the GSP 500s. Great vid, had no idea the PC38x had GSP 500 drivers! Great video
this was exactly the video that I was looking for. Nice catch, I believe that there is a ton of folks asking themselves “which us the second best gaming headset from sennheiser?”. Thanks and congrats.
thank you for this info , aznd i love the way you interact with the little one durinbg the videos LOL!!
Have the game ones for almost. 6 years. They are still great 👍🏼
subbed.hands down best review
Loved it!, thanks for share your honest and straight opinion. BTW Your little angel is so cute.
Clear review and just as i want to hear
You were good with reviews man this was good and different. I see you haven’t recored anything in a year
I like you bringing your baby to the video it's so cute and wholesome that we know you're a dad and babysitting and love to game
Excellent review
I couldn't agree more. I've tried both the game one and pc38x. Great review. Add one more sub and thumbs up.
Thanks for the review man. I already use the Game One's on my PS5 and they're great but I wanted a separate pair of headphones to hook up with my PC! I have ordered the Drop + Sennheiser PC38X and hope they are just as good but preferably even better! Fingers crossed!
Results?
@@littlebear4543 I use the Drop + Sennheiser PC38Xs for my PS5 now (they plug into the controller) and yes, they are great, the mic is the best mic I've used on a headset & sound quality is top notch but... I'm disappointed because there's no noticeable difference between these and my Game Ones. I feel like I've wasted £150 because I could have easily just continued using my Game Ones & wouldn't be at a loss. This comes from a man who has owned several headphones. My Game Ones now live in my drawer as my backups. For my PC, I use Logitech's Wireless G733s - these are great too, good mic & sound quality and much more affordable - would recommend!
Nice comparation! Have Game One plug in GSX 1200 Pro works flawless
Love the bring your kid to work reviews
Watching this now and I have the same exact chair from staples. Most comfortable one I could find.
omg i love this so much.
Lol having an okay dad party there! Thanks for the content, good info here.
You know what, I think your honest review has turned me to buying the game one. I’ll get my wallet *main reason is I can’t get the 38x in the UK (need as soon possible for zoom meetings. Your review has reassured me that I haven’t missed out on too much when purchasing an older headset.
i've had a pair of game one's since 2015 or something like that. the microphone fell off, but i just glued it back and i'm still using the headset. 10/10 from me too
I have the Game One already and really love them. Was thinking of upgrading to something newer and better like the PC38X. But you said the difference is marginal so I think I might just stay with what I have.
Well done Sir.
I've used Sennheiser for 20 years at this point. Over 10 of those have been this style. Sennheiser has released this shape with various different specs but they feel the same. I think it started with the PC360. This is one of those "over ear" headsets you can use all day and never feel it. I've only had to replace them over the years a few times because I tend to drop them a bunch or the cushons have been worn out. I have the Game One now, but ive also had the earlier version, and one that wasn't gaming branded
As someone who's Game One's are finally dying after 10 years of service, I appreciate the candid, honest, comparison. PC38X purchased. Thanks for the video!
My G4me One is already 9 years old, i bought them during the year of production. its built like a fucking tank. Still using it til this day. I was afraid it would break so i bought a HD6XX and PC37X thinking they are to replace it. Never did i know, this thing refuses to die.
thanks for the video exactly what I was looking for. Also ur kid is cute lmao
Thank you very much for uploading this. I was looking for a while for a comparison between the Game One/pc37x and the new pc38x but none of the "big" reviewers made one. I guess im going to buy the Game One, because its seems a bit risky with the shipping to Germany, paying 185$ in total (40$ shipping lol) and having the chance of getting a broken or disfunctional headset with the struggle of sending it back. Greetings from Germany :)
Go with game one..same exact speakers!! Same shaped design!! They have exactly the same sound..save half your money and get game one..unless you like the metal mesh design on the 38
Exactly what I was looking for. Girlfriend has the Game One and we both love them, I have the GSP600 and we both hate them. Wasn't sure whether to stick with the Game One or risk on the 38X. Now I have my answer :) Thanks heaps and what a little cutie
Hello, why do you hate the Gsp600? Im deciding if I will buy the 38X.. I have a hyperX cloud2 today.. Im looking for headsets to hear footsteps better
If I had to guess I would assume it’s because of the fit. Many people complain about the comfort of the headset and it’s overall bulky and ugly design. Sound should be great on them however.
I just ordered these. I’m currently using the Astro a50. I love them but I’m curious to try open back. I play call of Duty and I’m hoping to hear footsteps as clear as the Astro. Thanks for the review
How does it sound on console can you hear footsteps ?
@@simbathegoat2364 I play on PC. The a50s are incredible on pc, but you need to download a preset by Zalias (Zeference). It’ll pop up if you google it. The pc38x sounds great but the volume is low. My motherboard is only a year old so I don’t know what the issue was. I ended up buying the Soundblaster g6 gaming dac and I used the COD preset provided in the gaming dac software. I just plugged in the pc38x into the dac. It’s great! I would say that the footsteps on both are the best I’ve heard but I feel the directional audio is slightly better on the a50. Maybe I need to play with the settings more on the gaming dac. Please take this with a grain of salt since I’m not playing on console. I know both work on console. I also know the gaming dac works on console. I hope this helps at least a little.
nice review thx
one of the best reviews i saw for those headphones. keeping it real and not saying that its alot better then an already amazing headset. and btw did u get any creaking sounds from the headset? or some springy sound when tapping on the ear cap. i saw few people had that
No I haven’t had any of that. Tapping on it now, nothing besides the sound of me hitting my earcup. Thanks for the view and the nice comment.
Loved the review, thanks! Wanted to ask a question about the Game One in case you or someone else on here might have run into a similar issue, because I can only find two other posts about this on Reddit. The issue I'm having is that the mic is picking up the audio from the headphones, unless I turn the audio way down. There's also this echo in the background that I think might be just the earpads brushing against my ears? I'm not really tech-savvy or an audiophile but it's been a bothersome problem and none of the reviews I watched seem to mention it, so I'm not sure whether I'm one of the very few people having this issue or if it's just something I need to adjust the volume to avoid. Any help or advice is appreciated, thanks in advance!
Great comparison, cute kid. Subbed!
Great review and adorable company haha
This video is great man Do u think i Shud get the pc38x or the gsp600
I've had the GAME ONE for years and my toddler managed to break the mic's boom arm. Hopefully I can fix it with a little Krazy Glue, but if I bought another headset, I'd probably go with the PC38X. I also have the Sony PULSE 3D Wireless for PS5 but I've been completely spoiled by the open back headsets; there is just no comparison between the 2. I'm an open back headset fan for life!
My new go to guy
well done!
How about a cable noise? I still have PC360 (probably first version) and those have fixed long cable with thick rubber (great for keeping it straight), which has zero cable noise, but I read that those new braided cables tend to have more of it.
Buying the PC38x for my new Xbox
Thank you
Cutiieee, that leg waaave. Just bought this. Waiting it to come. Hopefully its alright. Thinking about getting an amp.. what u think?
Hey man, thanks for the review :) I have one Question: My gf has the game one and i noticed the earcups are a little bit smaller than on my pc360 (old model). Are the earcups from the Game one exactly the same size as the pc38x? I quite like the larger ones on my pc360
Wow, your daughter has grown a lot ever since the cooking videos.
I know man it’s insane. She’s so dang cute.
Hey Matt, have you ever used the GSP 500’s? Im currently using the Astro a50’s and even though they sound great, they kinda fall in the same bullshit that the SteelSeries do, sound cuts in and out every 1-2 minutes, have had connection issues with them, my voice echos back into the headset.. just not what I wanted for 279.99
So I have used the GSP500s over one weekend when my buddy let me use them. I liked the audio, hated the fit. That’s why I absolutely recommend the PC38x from Massdrop - they have the audio drivers from the GSP500 with the comfort of the Game Ones. However, both those sets I’m talking about are open back, so if you haven’t used them before they will definitely sound “different” than the closed back A50s.
@@MercuryTV well shit, I don’t want to loose any sound quality.. I didn’t realize the open back made that much of a difference
You don’t necessarily lose any, it’s just very different. More open, wider soundstage. You can hear yourself talk at all times. No noise cancellation. Less bass (ie not nearly as BOOMY) but it’s cleaner. Once I went open back I never went back. If you game in a noisy environment and need isolation, stay with closed back.
They both have same exact speakers...I wish I didn't spend so much on the 38 since I already had the game one. I literally can't tell one even slight difference in the sound quality..if someone walked up behind me and put them on my head I wouldn't be able to tell you which one was which as far as sound if my life depended on it!! Both great but I advise if you already have the game one don't wast your money on the 38..you basically already have it!! Unless you just like the side wire mesh look!
Thanks bro. Love the idea of a wiredheadset. Wireless is meh
Nice video helpfull
Are you able to use the new ear cushions of the PC38X with the Game One? I'd love to hear if it makes a difference in sound quality
Just the review I was looking for. Thanks! Oh... and she's cute as hell dude
I don't need the mic that the 38x has, as I have an external one but based solely off sound in comparison to the game ones do you recommend I go with the 38x still or go for a more audiophile like headphone? Also, does the wire on the 38x fit the game ones? My game ones wire broke after 5 ish years which is the only reason I want to replace them, and if I was to order the 38x I would like to compare them. I could get a replacement wire that is around $40 for my game ones, but being that it's so expensive for just the wire, I have been just thinking about upgrading. That being said excluding the mic, and just based of sound quality, is the 38x worth buying over a new wire. Thank you
SHE'S SO CUTE!!!! Also great review.
Anyone else think our guy looks like Benjamin Burnley from hard rock/metal Breaking Benjamin? Anyway, good review. Didn’t know the PC 37x was just a rebrand on the Game One.
That’s a new one bud. I’ve gotten Jimmy Fallon and the Pianist dude before but never Burnley. Thanks for watching.
Is the Game One a good upgrade from the GSP300? Or should I just get new earpads for my GSP300s or maybe a pair of Mh751s?
I would love to see you review the beyerdynamic mmx 300, because the mic quality on these are insane. Me personally I’m stuck between beyerdynamic mmx 300, beyerdynamic 990 dt pro 250 ohm and then use a mod mic, and the sennheiser pc38x, would love to get ur opinion.
Beyerdynamic definitely needs to release an open back gaming headset. I used the MMX300 a while back and didn’t make a video because like most closed back headsets they really didn’t work for me and my home life. I have long considered your second option - the 990 open back with a mod mic but just haven’t gotten around to it.
@@MercuryTV 990 w/mod mic was pretty harsh for me. They are pretty hot in the treble region. The 1990s are a mix between the 880 (reference sound) and the 990 (more v shaped with harsh highs). I havent tried the 880s personally but I am not a fan of hot treble. I'm using the hd58x "naked". I'd like to get the AKG Q701s again but apparently they arent being made anymore. I want the hd800S but money is a bit tight atm.
I took amazing care of my 990 dt pros and after 8 months the left ear went completely dead I wouldn't recommend
My current headset is gameone, it's a great headset, but I wouldn't recommend it for MP games, for some odd reason, it's hard to distinguish sound location with this headset, for example, if you are inside a game, the sound that comes from the top and the bottom sounds the same, I used to own cheap $15 with no bass and I was able to accurate pinpoint the sound location. But anyway, It's still my daily use even though I bought dt770 250 ohm last year as I don't play competitive MP games. The dt770 250 for anyone who is curious is just too bright. it will pearce your ears. I would have to lower the top frequency to make it usable using the windows sound equalizer.
I have the game one and think their great. But only issue I have is the cable. It only lasts a few months then you get the crackling. Been through 3 braided cables already.
Yeah the short ones seemed to suck for me, but the long one that came with the 38x I’ve been using for years now with no problems.
3:00 how on earth you got them looking new after 3 years? Maybe you don't use them for like 10 hours a day like I do, my friends headset too look like sht, black velvet don't mix well with dust, hair and skin particles. Btw did you try the Pc37x ones? Probably even closer to the the Game One and lower price
I have heared some bad things about the directional Accuracy in pc38x.Can you tell me is it better than game one in fps games.And one more thing is there any need of Amplifier to use them with my mobile device.Because i wanna buy one of these for Pubg Mobile.
Came for a headset review, stayed for the cute kid! S+
I’m looking at these and dig the 38x but drop has a sale for the pc37x for 90 bucks. That’s an 80 dollar difference so I might just lean towards the 37x and save the rest for a game or two
Don’t worry man, you’re not missing out on an 80 dollar audio difference.
I was in the same boat. I bought the 37x at the discount, primarily because they are all black. I don’t like the yellow on the 38x. My plan will be to get the 38x some day if they do a refresh in a different color scheme. Do you console game at all? 37x are not quite loud enough for me plugged into ps5 controller and pc MB. So, I just bought a g3 USB amp/dac (another $50 getting closer to Pc38x anyways). That’s another thing the you tubers talk about “driveability” - Do you notice a volume difference between game one and Pc38x? Use an amp? I have been sweating this choice, spending too much brain power on it - so thanks for the honest opinion. I subbed - dad/husband, provider, gamer here as well :). Happy holidays to you and your family!
I just upgraded from the A40s w/ Mixamp Pro (newer version) to the PC 38x headset myself. I am curious if you still connect your PC 38x headset through your Astro mixamp? This is my first non Astro gaming headset ill be using on PC & like yourself I really rely on the Mixamp right dial & Microphone settings in the software to adjust in party chat/game audio balance on the fly. I guess my questions are : - Do you plug the PC 38X into your Astro Mixamp for mic/chat CONTROLS currently? - If so, does the mixamp presets degrade or alter the natural intended audio coming from PC 38X drivers? - If the first two questions no longer apply, what did you end up switching to & how are you liking the change? My bad if I'm tossing to many questions at you in one go. After watching your earlier Mixamp Pro TR review & headset comparison video that basically matched my thoughts & how I use it dead on. Immediately afterwards in the recommended videos & I see a thumbnail of my new headset that just ordered & am switching to. I click on it & immediately thought, awesome it's the same dude I just watched do a review on the same hardware I've been rocking up till now. Now he's reviewing his new headset same as mine that were delivered earlier today , I like his style. Considering you've clearly got more knowledge & experience having gone through the exact same scenarios I am currently wrestling with. Why not ask him & see if he's got any wisdom he'd be willing to share regarding the questions listed above whenever you have the time. Any other potential tips or advise would be welcome & greatly appreciated as well, thanks again. -Side Note- Awesome Content, seriously adorable kid as well. Liked/Subbed/Notification Bell ticked... Cheers.
Hey bud. First off, thanks for the support and kind words. Now, to your questions: 1. Yes, I have the PC38X plugged into my Astro Mixamp. I love it, it has great sound, and more importantly I HAVE to have the chat/volume mixer for Discord and all the games I play. 2. No, so far I have noticed zero degradation in the natural audio. If anything, I think it's a hint better with the Mixamp. I think you will love that setup, especially if you ever used the Game One's with the amp. My only real gripe is that the cable feels a little short, so desk mobility is limited, but it's not a huge deal by any means. Hope that helped. Take care.
@@MercuryTV Awesome to hear, that's what I've been doing so far & I'm feeling the same way. Great headset, thanks so much for hitting me back so quick. Keep up the good work & again thank you for the immediate feedback, it's a nice experience in contrast to a good portion of content creators these days & is very much appreciated... Take care.
Is the Astro A40 V2 better in audio then PC38X?
Have the game ones, instead of upgrading to pc38x i got the helm bolt dac to make the audio sound way better do u think i made the right decision?
thank you + subscribed for the baby :)
Nice review man! I am between these ans the astro a40s w mixamp. Which do you recommend? I saw u said a40s comfort is bad but I tried them on at a friend’s n they were okay for me. Strictly sound quality wise for shooters like warzone, which is better?
This is always a tough question. My current set up is the Astro Mixamp with the PC38x. And the Astro comfort wasn’t “bad,” but they didn’t adjust as much as I wanted them to compared to the PC38x/Game One. I think you’ll be happy with either one of those choices - but if memory serves it’s also about an 80-100 dollar difference.
@@MercuryTV without the mixamp are the astros a40s worse than the pc38x? Like if i am just connecting it to my xbox controller does that change the ratings?
@@MercuryTV Hey man I know this vid is 1 year old, but I have a question. So my old a40s (1st gen) just broke and I’ve replaced them with the Sennheiser Game Ones would you recommend me hooking up my sennheiser with the astro amp or not?
Absolutely. Make sure to compare and contrast with and without but I love using my Mixamp with mine. Little better sound quality plus the added features is a win/win to me.
hello! been a while since you made this video...But , would you say the pc38x is better than the hyperX cloud 2 to hear footsteps during fps games like Rainbowsix ??? also, is the pc38x in terms of sound quality better than the GSP600? like for hearing footsteps..
personaly yes
Answer: 58X and a Desktop mic. Jk use any one of these (PC37X, PC38X, Game ONE, or HD 58X) and you will be happy.
Hey, I have the Sennheiser Game ONE headset, have had it for 5 years. My main issue with it has been that if I turn the volume dial down all the way, it does not actually go to "zero" volume. Does the PC38X also do this with the volume wheel, or does it actually go to a "muted" 0 volume state? My microphone also recently snapped off of my game one and had to glue it back on, so it's getting me by for now but might buy a new set as it might not last/looks bad glued on.
I believe this is intentional and by design
Still trying to decide as I'm in Canada and the duty with ordering stuff from Massdrop is insane. Not sure on the Game ONE ($178 CDN locally) vs PC37x ($105 USD + Duty) or PC38x ($184 USD + Duty) as it kills me to get old tech but the prices do make me think twice - Your thoughts would be appreciated?
I don’t know exchange rates, but I would just go with whatever is cheapest. If you’re only looking at a $50 dollar difference or so to upgrade to the PC38x, I would go for it. The newer ear cushions are great and the sound is that LITTLE bit better. Anything further than that and yeah, just go with what is cheapest to get. You won’t be mad either way with any of those 3.
I get the game one for way cheaper like 1 60 dollar or smt and I feel it's gonna be worth it rather than getting a pc38x for 180$ almost 3 times the price
I got unlucky and ended up with a defective headset, shipped them back today so hopefully the replacement works.
Dang that sucks to hear. What was wrong with it?
@@MercuryTV I could barely hear anything with the sound all the way up, and what I could hear kind of sounded like it was under water. Tried it on four devices. Also couldn't get the mic to work at all. My HyperX Cloud II set is still working perfectly after almost 5 years but I want a better sound stage and I like flip up mics.
@@MercuryTV I got my replacement set today, but after testing them out I feel like they might be over-hyped. My Cloud II's at $70 less (and almost 5 years old) still seem better to me in almost every way. Going to return.
What are your settings for your mix amp? I just received my 38X a few days ago and have the Astro Mix Amp Pro
I use stereo sound, first preset.
@@MercuryTV What are your setting on your Xbox?
Oh, I don’t know. I don’t use any of this on Xbox. If I used a wired headset I plug directly into the controller.
In another video you said the Astro A40 were better than the Game One. What about A40 vs PC38X?
That's a good question. My current set up is the PC38x with the Mixamp that came with the Astro's. I used the Game Ones forever, bought the A40s and used those until the PC38x, and after I put these on I honestly haven't taken them off. I used them on their own for a while, but I really like having the mic monitoring and game/chat mixer that the Astro Mixamp provides. Best of both worlds in my book. However, as a lot of people have pointed out, the A40+Mixamp vs Game One comparison wasn't very fair. I would still say though, my order of preference (with OR without Mixamp) is PC38x > A40 > Game One. I know a lot of people might disagree but again, just my opinion.
@@MercuryTV That's very helpful, thanks a lot!
Pc38x vs HD58x what is better for gaming
noice pun
i've been looking for a headset and u have used the A40+amp the game zero and the pc38X so out of these 3 wich would u say is the best ??
PC38x + Mixamp has been my favorite setup
@@MercuryTV interesting choice, and if u need to choose A40 vs game one wich would it be ?
Probably the A40. Really tough decision both are incredibly solid options.
Dawwwww
From Germany, here i would need to pay 165$ for the headset, 15$ Shipping and probably an Import tax of 19% so thats another ~30€. Right now the Game One is on Amazon for 89€.
I used Google Translate but this guy said exactly what I would have. Stick with the Game One. The upgrade in sound quality isn't worth double the price.
I just canceled my game one order that I made 5 minutes ago and ordered the pc38x. Although it will take significantly longer before it arrives since I live in the Netherlands, I can use my gsp 600 a bit longer.
i am a bass head but def need Open Back, need to hear surrounding need to hear anyone calling or notifications need to hear myself talk need wide open soundstage sound that sounds like coming from surround speakers. Considered PC 38x but 1.4 LB clamp force, thats exactly what got me to stop using my Phillips Fidelios X2HR. I hear Game One creaks and feels cheap on plastic. Currently on my sight to test Hifiman 400SE Planar Magnetics, Sennheiser EPOS GSP 500 and Phillips SHP9500. Black sheep to be ashamed and disgraced: Audeze Mobius Planar Magnetics
Should I switch from GSP 350 to PC38X?
Only if you dislike the look/comfort of the GSP 500. Audio should be identical.
omg head and shoulders really got me hahahahahahahahaha
Do you use Xbox or PC with your mixamp ?
Exclusively PC at this point. Works perfect with Discord.
Cutest review ever.
This or HyperX CloudX Flight?
For Xbox or Pc? For Xbox I would go with Hyper X for PC definitely the PC38x. But be aware of the difference between open and closed back headphones, wired vs wireless, and mic monitoring/sidetone. They are vastly different headphones.
@@MercuryTV mostly for Xbox, I don’t mind cable, all my live I’ve been using closed back so I curious of open back. Most important is for me sound quality
Well the sound quality is definitely better on the PC38x but driving them with an Xbox Controller won’t be the best way for them to be used. I would probably say they are best suited for PC use even though they do work with console.
@@MercuryTV thanks I've ordered PC38x. If I will not be happy I will order HyperX ;)
I bought the PC38x. What are your thoughts on having a daughter?
It's literally the absolute, most amazing thing in the world. I never knew how much I could love someone until I saw her. 6 figure job, big house, nice car; it's hard to care about those things in comparison to her. Being a dad - and getting to watch her grow up - fills my heart more than anything I ever imagined. Having kids isn't right for everyone, but I'm very happy my wife and I were able to have Maddie. Hope you enjoy the headset, thank you for watching my video brother. Have a good day.
The PC38X is better and a good bit cheaper at least where I am from.
why the fuck i cannot bye 38x just from sennheiser? Fucking bs :*( thx for review thought
why is your child in this?
Hey that's a fair question. Three reasons. First, at the time I made this, I was a single father going through a divorce with a full-time job, so the time I had to make videos WITHOUT her was basically non-existent. Second, with my channel being so small, the majority of people who actually watched videos were people who knew me, so they enjoyed getting to see Maddie. Third, mainly because I just wanted to. I think she's adorable and I'm glad I'll have these little snapshots forever. Most videos you get of your kids when they're that young are 30 second to 1 minute snippets. Getting nearly 10 minutes is rare now that camcorders are a thing of the past.