Marc Goddard: ‘MMA Culture’ to Blame on Lack of Corner Stoppages - MMA Fighting
Marc Goddard discusses how to become a better MMA ref or judge, how much confidence comes into play, should refs be paid more and more on The MMA Hour with Ariel Helwani on Monday.
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Love that MMA Fighting gives refs a platform too. Fans often forget that these guys got stuff going on outside of fighting as well and are good people. Cheers Ariel
We need to hear from these guys I want hear what they're doing,thinking, getting insight on one of the most important jobs in the sport
@@Writtenodac Marc does occasionally podcasts haven't seen recently but he did bunch with Dan Hardy, Big John has his own,Mike Beltran sometimes is a guest once in a while , but for the most part they stay low key so they dont say they r biased or avoid getting calls from promotions
@@justinava1675 safe to say if you're an elite referee who's perfected their craft for 20 years you can afford to be snobby with noobs like you.
Mark Smith on JRE was a cool one
Skyping from the car like a true martial artist.
Marc ‘Darren Till’ Goddard
It’s zoom
Close your eyes and imagine mark saying he deserves the title shot…
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
leon? lol
cant tell who lol
@@Ps3keks15 yeah man, sounds just like him 😂
Him being in the car I thought he was gonna ask Ariel if he bangs his wife with that nose lol.
I think MMA is too popular of a sport now to not have a more objective scoring system. Sandhagen vs TJ really made me confused as what judges actually prioritize in a fight.
I don't even think we need a traditional scoring system, we just need a large collective (say 15) of experienced judges (like ex fighters or coaches, etc.) that gives a binary win or lose opinion on a whole fight, so you get a large sample size when awarding decisions. Even scoring individual rounds seems a little pointless to me as it introduces coasting or trying to game the system. As soon as you introduce points or scoring for subjective criteria like effective striking or grappling, you're trying to fit a crazy and chaotic sport where almost anything can happen into neat little boxes.
@@samcooke343 5 is fine.
That's the exact problem. Different judges prioritize different aspects. Because there is no single governing body to train them.
@@samcooke343 yeah more judges would definitely help, 3 is way too few
TJ clearly won vs Cory. Cory tries to be to flashy & it always costs him
I'd love to see a judge come on this show
I’ve judged some boxing and mma events It’s hard to sit there and not so lines or get drinks. Or space off. No just glance at other judges cards. Then they start shielding it from me like a child. I’ve reffed some events and 2 guys were hospitalized. It’s like indont want to be there I’d zone out stare at the lights and I can’t even see what’s going on in the fight. A guy came in the ring and stabbed the fighters I didn’t even notice it. Or you just want to see someone get hurt badly one guy was saying help. And I’m just letting him be a warrior and fight out of the impossible
@@oldironsides4107 what?
@@iHaterzXD Apparently he did some stuff? I'm confused too lol
This is why judging is messed up 🤣🤣🤣
They would never 😂
One difference with boxing corners Vs MMA corners seems to be the boxing corners seem to think beyond the current fight. For example, a fighter is in a bad spot and risking long term injury/K.O etc and the corner seems to be willing to call it to save the fighter for 'another day' to prolong the fighter's career/quality of life. This may be because boxers have more options in securing a future fight compared to the '3 losses and you're done' nature of top flight MMA.
Incredibly articulated analysis friend!
Not only that, in boxing purses are guaranteed. In MMA you have to win to get the other half of your paycheck, which coaches recieve a percentage of. I think this makes the decision to throw in the towel even harder because it officially forfeits that money.
I would have to totally disagree.. 1 loss on your record in boxing does a lot more damage to your boxing career than 3 losses in mma
@@tomhinds14 Depends really, some fighters like Dereck Chisora can go on 3 fight losing streaks in boxing against top competitors and still come back and fight for a world title. If you lose 3 straight in the UFC and you’re not a huge name that’s basically a guaranteed cut
@@tomhinds14 it really depends on what stage of your career you're in. If you're a top prospect in boxing, you're not fighting anyone good until you've got 15-20 wins. If you lose one of those early fights it's really damaging. However, once you make it to the top and are facing elite competition loses dont matter nearly as much.
Jason Herzog is the best ref in the sport at the moment but Marc isn't too far behind.
Agreed, Herzog is super underrated. Very, very rarely makes a mistake, controls the octagon like a boss and stays under the radar unlike Marc and Herb. I thought Marc was the best in the game until he started breaking up grappling/wrestling FAR too early.
@THERE WAS NO CHECK!!! mark smith has been downhill since his jre appearance.
@THERE WAS NO CHECK!!! best screen name this week....so I don’t want to bicker about 1a and 1b but I don’t know if Marc’s even #3......
Bus back to Birmingham on the Down and Out inParadise album recorded at the FloraBama by Rusty McHugh, pretty sure he went to school at HHH too, but him💎 and Mike Finkel💎 introduced me to that song one night, boy was I fried 🍻🍺🥃and boy did I get ☀️☀️☀️☀️fried out on the beach too Got my hair did next day , fried dyed and laid to the side .kzhead.info/sun/rdmukquLmF-mgnA/bejne.html......but this is the song I’m feeling right now.....
Mark NOT SO Goddard 🔥
Man, I love this. This is great content. Stopping to actually consider the advancement and improvement of the sport. Much more engaging than reading tweets.
Marc always impresses me. Seems like a top man.
One of the greatest refs in the game, Jason is amazing too I have a great appreciation for refs as I’m sure most people do
Mario Yamasaki GOATED
I used to think UFC officials were terrible, but then I realized how good they actually were after I saw the officiating in the amateur and small mma circuits.
Mark is actually very articulate. I didn't appreciate it until now.
Goddard is a GOAT. Really appreciative of his compassion and commitment to a sport that means so much to all of us 🙌🏻
Boxers take way more head shots which is all the really matters long term and the fights are much longer and it's such a specific skill that once a guy gets the upper hand its almost impossible to turn it around. MMA less rounds, much less head shots per minute, chance of turning the fight around much higher and more competitive match making.
I agree with you 100% but the one thing I really worry about with MMA is ground and pound or follow up head shots after a knockdown where there is nowhere for the force of the blow to dissipate whatsoever. It only takes a few shots to a grounded opponent with their head bouncing off of the canvas to cause immense damage. Obviously the same situation can occur in boxing with guys getting caught in the ropes and unable to fall but I think that ground and pound strikes can be uniquely damaging and are definitely a cause for concern.
@@joeshmow2356 Thats true we dont have much science behind how much damage a another shot after a KO causes (eg. masvidal/Askren) Its possible it causes less damage cause the brain has already shut itself off or maybe it causes more who knows.
@@alexthelion422 it sort of makes me think on how you said the brain has already shut down like is it similar to a drunk driver being more relaxed when they crash and have less injuries or would the fighter be more prone because some get really stiff and that may make the brain tense up as well, interesting to think about. I will say this tho, I really hate it when a fighter is obviously knocked out cold and fighters still go for unnecessary blows and say the ref hasn't called the fight. 2 names that come to mind are Jeremy Stephens and Ngannou, great fighters but still don't respect they do that
@@789raiden I agree completely
@@joeshmow2356 That is true but i still would think that getting knocked down and then TKO'd with ground and pound is less damaging than getting dropped in boxing and then given 10 seconds to basically recover just enough to get knocked out again
what a great bloke.nice he gets a paltform to speak,great interview
He is the best referee right now to me in MMA.
Colbys favorite mma ref
Want to hear thoughts on Colby, Keith Peterson, Steve Mazagatti, fighter pay, and his thoughts on the ufc GOAT
Coming from a guy who gives time outs for fake eye pokes and low blows...stands ppl up and bad stoppages.
0:19: ⚔ Discussion with Mark Goddard on MMA culture impact on corner stoppages. 4:09: ⚖ Misunderstanding and ignorance in MMA culture affecting officiating and knowledge in the sport. 7:39: ⚔ Improving MMA broadcast quality through educational seminars for broadcasters to enhance understanding of rules and regulations. 11:32: ⚖ Challenges faced by MMA referees and judges due to subjective nature of calls and impact of confidence on decision-making. 15:08: ⚖ Importance of self-confidence and acceptance in high-pressure roles like refereeing. 18:48: ⚔ Passionate dedication to discussing fights, emphasizing the seriousness of their role in MMA. 22:45: ⚠ Referees and coaches in MMA need to be vigilant for signs of a fighter in a defensive to survival transition.
Goddard and Herzog tops in the game right now
Agreed
I've been a fan of MMA since 2006. And there is a major problem with late stoppages in MMA fights. This is a problem that will lead to a death in the UFC soon if it's not addressed. It makes no sense why the UFC hasn't addressed this problem, because the negative dark cloud of having a death, will be a black mark on the sport. Calvin Kattar, and Bryan Ortega both took life threatening damage in their fights. Conor's teammate, Charlie Ward, killed a man in a regular MMA fight, after landing multiple head strikes. It's not uncommon for boxers to die, as you can look up the record of boxing deaths, and it's quite astounding. There are a few major problems. Late stoppages, where referees allow a person to take unnecessary damage, as well as fighters hitting their unconscious opponent with hammer fists (Francis Ngannou, Jeremy Stephens). And then, fighters clearly in "survival" and not mounting any offense at all.
Big respect to Marc 👍🏿
such a british thing "can you hear me alright?" haha
Mark Goddard is a great ref , that job is tough Boones every happy ,bit I've seen plenty if fights were he makes great decisions and few were they are bad
Waiting for the Colby fanboys to show up in the comments hating on mark lol
Helwani, please send me the PDF, I don't have 200euros
Goddard spitting facts here
One of the few respectable refs in the UFC. The true one.
The pay structure is to blame if you ask me. Knowing that you're only going home with half of your pay if you lose will men people stay in there longer than they have to. Clinging on to that homerun hope
A great point. Definitely holds partial blame.
Bring Yamasaki back!
Best in the business
Herb Dean needs this education urgently, do him a favor Marc.
Gotta change your thumbnail to 2022 😉👍
Great interview but please address this.........AERIAL ISSUE😅, Ariel.
I liked a lot of Marc's points but isn't it the referees job to protect the fighters? If the corners have to throw a towel in due to their fighter getting beat up the ref could have probably stopped it already
That’s true but usually they are still defending themselves
@@LiterallyRiggtarded Marc even touched on it that he's stopped fights standing up before, so it's not that they couldn't "defend themselves" it's that they aren't throwing back and are getting beaten on
Such a great ref. Best part about him is that he’s so transparent with his love for the sport and fighters. He just wants to make everyone more knowledgeable watchers. Which in turn helps fighters.
Not really he’s mark not so goddard for a reason!!! 💥💥🤦
Best in the business. God bless (wink…)
I wish the judging of a fight was more clear, I’ve always thought like eight or so ex ufc fighters should judge each fight.
I agree but the problem is a lot if not most ex ufc fighters are still attached to gyms/fighters so could end up getting biased judging. Like imagine if DC or Josh Thomson were judges, a AKA fighter could get KO’d and they’d still say they won the fight
For some reason I never forgot the match he refereed where he continually stood up the Japanese fighter literally after a few seconds on the ground. I'm sure he got told what not to do again after that, I never saw fighters stood up so quickly. At least he's not hugging fighters like herb.
Marc is also a blackbelt in BJJ
Marc is one of the best but he isn’t the best in the business. We want Herzog Ariel.
Marc is an OG. Best ref. Cant believe herb Dean beat him for ref of the year. Man is a legend. Get back to recording another pod with Dan Hardy Marc
MMA coaches dont throw in the towel cause most promotions offer Show pay and WIN pay. in boxing you get paid one lump sum win or lose.
Marc is my favorite Ref he’s always on top of the action.
The Kattar vs Holloway fight should have been stopped! Dude will never be the same after that punishment.
well he was in good enough shape/condition to dish out pretty heavy punishment to Giga Chikadze
He talks about when a fighter goes into survival mode. Are there any instances where a fighter is in that mode but somehow comes back to win? Also, if the advancing fighter is hurt/exhausted, does that play a factor on when to call it? I guess the trick is recognizing if its survival mode, while not letting it go on too long
Ariel: no one understands you Mark: I train officials Mario: hold my beer 🍺
Marc goddard is maybe the only ref who doesn't enter in the octagon to smile at the camera and ref instead
Marc Goddard vs Connor McGregor in 2022
At refereeing Marc is not so good
Mark Notso Goddard😂
The King of referees!!!
Herzog best ref imo
@@ChaoticZ1 i like him aswell,very profesional.
Marc nuttso Goddard
MMA Backdoor Politics are to blame for TOO MANY Early Stoppages
Can you give an example
I love Goddard and consider him to be the best ref in the game. I particularly like how he often explains things to fighters in the ring, when he cautions them, etc. It makes all the sense in the world that he is an educator.
Man Marks nose is freakin me out
Probably broken it a few times in the past
Was sup wit that thang
Mark not so goddard
Marc NOT SO GODDARD babbbyyyyy
Ariel, the beta, would have this fool on here. Terrible ref
Herb dean had a awful few years
Everybody- Mark has the secret knowledge, tap into it. He has the rule book!
Goddard Robbed Isreal!! He was on his feet bobbin and weaving. He is the Champion. Give Isreal his respect and let it play out! Alex was going to tire out with all those punches being thrown. Isreal would have gotten thru that moment! But since Goddard jumped in prematurely we will never know what could have happened!! So pissed about that stoppage Reply
I blame lack of good referees on Goddard and Herb Dean
I blame it on your mom
Word on the streets is that Colby pissed on this guy's face and he liked it ,#BetaUK
Marc not so goddard
Fake ref
One of the worst refs right now 👎👎👎
Here after #UFC281
Ariel: we don’t know what you do Mark: arm yourself with information Mario: hold my beer 🍺
Fake ref