Fresh off UFC 298, UFC Referee Marc Goddard joins us in studio to chat about the current state of MMA rules and what can be done to make sure controversial fight moments are kept to a minimum.
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Who wants to see @the-mma-guru vs Marc Goddard?
Only if Tommy is commentating
🙋🏼♂️ duh
The wheelchair bound pig-man hybrid is becoming mainstream😂
Mark not so goodard doesn't want that smoke. The mma guru will school him
yesssssss
MMA Guru will only show up if your facility is wheelchair accessible
guru got them wobblestone cobblestone knees unfortunately. he cant balance on 2 feet.
Guru is a grounded opponent.
Holy shit that's good!@@pickelteets
marc having beef with guru😂
🤣I love it
It's so important that refs have a plattform to explain their decision and defend themselves. We often look at their mistakes and judge them without ever hearing their position. Great work!
Refs often do so but never heard one iota from a judge
true, I think most refs channels are just known/watched by the hardcores. It would be really interesting to hear from a judge! @@thegoldensnitch6312
I'd like to see them at the post fight presser to field questions, I know it's super unlikely but as a fan I think it's super neat
@@CaptCKernelsame with judges. They should be required to explain their scoring
@@marcoaf18 agreed but my only thing is trying to keep it "not negative" and I feel like the questions that would be asked to judges would hardly be positive or seeking insight. Like as long as fans are as excited to hear them talk about the process of getting 30-27s across the board correctly, then I'm for it. I just don't want to see the only time we have judges or refs involved is when there's controversy
Don’t forget about MMA GURU flaming Marc for his reffing/takes😂, glad he’s clearing the air and advocating rule change
We didnt forget Goddarrd and Dan Hardy had an hours long meltdown on their podcast about Guru that they deleted 😂😂
Seeing Marc Goddard on the show was a nice surprise! Great work boys
This isn't the first time either, he's been on before, always a good addition!
they did him dirty with that thumbnail though
I remember being annoyed at the ref and the rules during that Allen fight. Now I have nothing against Marc and even more against the mess that is the rules
No it was just wrong by marc, his hands weren't down when the knees connected, are the rules weird? Sure. But those were blatantly legal knees and marc stopped it
This did not address his early stoppages which prevented worthy fighters of rightfully becoming champions.
@@GengoSenmon FACTS!!!
@@GengoSenmonpfff like who? Getting your head caved in without intelligently defending is not a winning strategy
@@cwx8 And yet that is exactly how Jiri won several matches before. Also Aljo was not still rolling. Hardly unconscious and 'not intelligently defending'.
Yes, Marc. Pride rules, 1 night tournaments, soccer kicks, and sick intros. That's the aesthetic I want.
We should let sean strickland write the rules all by himself
"Rule N°1: no gays"
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@@Jacktrack7 DDP whole team got to go then
@@Jacktrack7rule no2 : Here's the thing guys...
Knees to grounded opponents should be allowed
or at least the rule should be consistent
Yes! I've been saying this for years. It would make grappling and ground fighting much more interesting.
Agreed, soccer kicks and stomps aren't needed but most of the time if you're in a position to be kneed while grounded you're able to consciously defend yourself
Agreed. ONE's global rule set is the best in my opinion
I think Marc's perspective is that the capacity for damage from a grounded knee is greater than anything else.
Make sure you have a wheelchair ramp so Guru can get in the studio 😂
So nice to get a refs prospective and hear what’s going on through their heads. It’s gotta be so frustrating at times. Would love for you to get a judge on here!!
prospective huh
Can't unhear guru's impression of Goddard now 😂
Knees to grounded opponents is my number 1. Its the most impactful damaging rule by far.
The One FC ruleset is objectively better. Just allow knees to grounded opponents wholesale. Fighters will learn to defend it properly and not put themselves in that position.
Coming from sombody who's probably never had a fight in their life
@@AfroViking300 coming from someone who has clearly never watched ONE FC before. We don't see brutal knees to guys on the ground for finishes left and right. The athletes look for it and put themselves in position to defend. It's not some unfair overpowered move. It's a valid technique that the fighters respect and defend against. Like up kicks, or head kicks. The fights at one are consistently more entertaining then UFC. Sure they don't have the same level of competition overall, but I never walk away from a one FC event feeling like I saw a boring fight.
@@DammitBobby Yappinator
@@AfroViking300 Coming from someone who has I also think onefc has better rules. Do you really think there's not tons of fighters who also want this rule changed?
@@vaughnordakowski8774 depends on the rules lol. Everybody wants the downed opponent rules changed. But nobody cares about kicks to the head of a downed opponent rules but absolute tools lol. Like have some type of dignity it's not a fight till the death no matter how badass y'all want the sport to sound. Only reason people say they have better rules is because they barely have any rules and they aren't the ones in the cage 💀
Damn, I just love how much he cares about the sport. Such an important job that everyone talks shit about. Thanks for the insight!
I shouldn't have had to wait this long to be told that there was a rule inconsistency in Ontario. Refs need more platforms for explanation and accountability.
Been watching this channel since 2018. Very respectful and knowledgeable guys.. this channel makes mma alot more enjoyable with all the content
Pride rules with elbows…ACROSS THE BOARD.
since big john retired this man is the best mma referee in the sport and its not even close
Guys I think you should really make this a proper podcast, not just an exclusive reward it has good potential
Great conversation. We’re long overdue a unified draft. 12-6 elbows is a no brainer. I’d also like to see guys who put a hand down with their knees, or crawl out to their opponent like an animal, still be eligible for knees and kicks to the head. Use actual technique and skill to negate your opponent, not abusing the rules
Whether it’s against the rules or not I simply just can’t understand why a pro fighter would leave his head exposed while relying on the rule to save himself from getting kneed in the face to oblivion, that is such a big goddamn gamble
The gamble is you get to hide safely in that position or you win by dq. That isn't a horrible gamble if you consider a win bonus on the line for these struggling fighters
Especially if they are already losing which is usually what people in that position already are
@@vaughnordakowski8774 well it didnt work for weidman, i just think its a dumb strategy, but I also think you should be able to kick or need down opponents like in pride
@@chrislaverick6413 yeah I mean it is overall dumb, but I was just throwing out an idea on why anyone could have that mentality
@@vaughnordakowski8774 i mean it paid off for sterling, i wouldnt do it, I think it’s a very dishonourable way to win, but hey on its a win
Love listing to Marc explain the small details we don't see or appreciate, love that you guys giving him the platform and feed him a topic and just let him talk so good.
Being a ref seems more stressful than being a fighter sometimes. Everyone makes mistakes. Respect to Marc for being real and representing his trade and himself in the media.
How is a knee on the ground much worse than Yoel or Jorge throwing a flying knee after a takedown attempt? That makes no sense. MVP destroyed Cyborgs face doing that, but a knee on the ground is worse? It's a dumb rule that doesn't help with anything. You should just ban knees to the head if you're really concerned for the fighters health.
On the ground you are able to "pin" the target and just deliver free shots. Timing a flying knee and hitting it accurately requires a lot more skill and you get exactly one attempt. Rather than just raining consecutive knees until the ref reacts.
2 mma on point videos in 24 hours is always a blessing
The love and sacrifice of Jesus Christ is the real blessing.
Knees legal in ALL positions. Upkicks legal in ALL positions Opponents downed ONLY when hip on ground. There, solved it. The only real danger is soccer kicks and standing stomps. The rest is rarely, if EVER, more dangerous than a regular headkick
A knee to the face of a downed opponent is pu$$y shit. If you do that you're a joke. It should be illegal. It's also just as dangerous as a full head kick.
Yeah, seeing some of the old leaping stomps in pride I think those can stay illegal. Feels like watching a murder. Soccer kicks to the head are definitely ugly, however I don't think they're any more harmful to the head than a head kick. I feel like the neck may be at greater risk though, and maybe that's why they're banned? I could definitely see a soccer kick breaking a neck while doing pretty regular damage to the head.
This may be the best roundtable interview you guys have ever done. Thank you Marc Goddard!
MMA Guru just got another 5000 subscribers. He will have the biggest channel soon. He is very good at what he does.
The look at Mark's face "21:22"
Marc was seriously considering pulling a Khabib and flying over the table 🤣
@@danieltorres7519 🤣🤣🤣
As a Japanese MMA fan, both old and new, I’ve always advocated for grounded knees and even soccer kicks. A soccer kick can’t be any more traumatic than a standing kick and completely changes the dynamics of the ground game. Stomps are where I draw the line, stomps are legitimately dangerous considering follow up shots on already unconscious opponents.
A soccer kick is significantly more impactful than a standing head kick. The force from a soccer kick is absorbed by the head, the neck and the upper trapezious muscles based on how far they can move before the body part reaches the end of range of motion and stops. Receiving a standing head kick allows you entire body to help dissipate the force and your head will never become the immobile object the soaks up the kinetic energy. You would fall down before that could happen. I am all for more violence and less two sweaty men hugging on canvas but, there are specific situations that must be avoided because the potential for death or TBI is so much higher.
@@asimpson164 It’s hard to find actual studies done on the mechanics of soccer kicks against humans. But we have proof from it still currently being done in RIZIN and other Japanese promotions, that fighters who are aware of the ruleset rarely put themselves in compromising positions that would allow for a devastating soccer kick. Hardly any more dangerous than getting clubbed with a dozen elbows on the ground anyway.
@@jadenl9253 Test it out yourself. Look at highway engineering, why do you think guard rails break away and they use barrels filled with water instead of concrete? It's physics. Maybe like the other guy said and if fighters expect it they won't get put into those situations, idk. Have a friend hold a watermelon up at head height while you kick it. It won't break from your kick but it will break from falling to the ground. Now have your friend hold a watermelon like you were going to kick a field goal. Your foot will shatter that watermelon. The whole thing is about dissipation of energy. Some strikes in some situations make dissipation of energy a big problem for the skull and neck.
@@jadenl9253 Agree to disagree, I guess. If the person holding the watermelon held it tight and didn't allow it to move much then I do agree but if they aren't holding it like that I think it would get kicked out of their hands whole. My big worry about removing the rules is that some fool will get themselves killed and MMA will get changed to something soft or shut down entirely.
@@jadenl9253 What he said makes perfect sense. While standing the head is a floating target and the connection of foot/shin and head can cause the trauma that rocks an opponent or knocks him out. But any added energy causes the person to "fold" with the kick, the momentum tips them over. A soccer kick is more akin to whiplash in a car crash, in addition to the trauma from the impact, the head is no longer a floating target and the transfer of momentum will require strain on the neck.
This channel really has become huge in MMA. What a great interview with Mr Goddard.
Glad y’all were able to have this convo with Goddard! Understanding the nuances of the “Unified” rules can be jarring even to non-casual fans.
I think for me seeing a referees perspective is really insightful and gives a lot of context as to what they see how they see it etc, really interesting video would definitely like to see more like this.
I understand why it happens because of the legal issues, but the fact that even at the highest level the rules can change from place to place is just insane to me. All the love to Marc after this as well. Ty for the insight from a refs POV of the sport 🤘
Best MMA/UFC non-match footage (and sometimes that too) content on YT. Keep killing it boys! 💪
I'm so glad the community is recognizing mma on point
Guru’s impression of Goddard is all I hear when I hear Marc speaking… “Hey buddy…hey”
yo what’s up guys i love your channel you always help me stay up with the ufc and this is one of the only channels i constantly watch
Tim Elliot has openly admitted to taking advantage of this grey area with the rules including his last bout against Mokaev. Even if the action gets stopped, a point is rarely taken. It’s a risk worth taking regardless of how you feel about what the rule should be.
We've all seen him in the cage, but I certainly haven't heard from Marc enough outside the ring. Of course I also enjoy listening to John McCarthy speak about needed changes since he is as OG as they come but he isn't the only qualified ref I would like to hear from outside of the ring. I think your show lends itself to a friendly ( but highly educated) interview setting that would be perfect to speak to MMA judges too. Maybe they could teach us mere mortals some of the finer details that lead to these wacky scores. I personally would like to hear from some of the more controversial judges that are somehow invited back again and again. I'm sure we all are thinking of a few names that seemingly always find themselves being criticized on Monday morning and this could be an opportunity for them to provide some insight. Just a thought @MMA On Point and thanks for the consistently great content !!!
Thank you MMA On Point for making this interview happen. As a long time fan of MMA i've watched the sport grow and change along with the rule set. No doubt in 2024 the rules should all be the same everywhere and you don't need me to tell you how frustrating it is when just the definition of a grounded opponent is different depending where you are, even though it could be the same two fighters, referee, judges, whats considered grounded cannot change from place to place. 12-6 elbows should be as legal as any other strike, thank you for having Marc the man as a guest to try and help move this along, i can't wait to see it fixed because i know we will.
My favorite guest you guys have had. Really enjoyed this conversation.
This was a brilliant watch. Bravo. 🤘🏼
Mad respect for Marc Goddard!
Yo the fact that MMA guru has gotten on DJ's pod and now a call out from y'all all in the same week is insane
He's proof that being a miserable troll can work out for some
@@TMeek94it’s just proof he isn’t just a miserable troll.
@@FedorEmelianenko452 you’re right, trolls live under bridges. Guru’s definitely an ogre
a troll does it for purely emotional reactions, guru does it for an official reaction or to voice fan opinions. dudes just English tbh, we excel at two things complaining and queueing @@TMeek94
It’s amazing to see a ref in combat sports taking explaining their actions. Now we just need to see the same for judges!
MMA having different rules in different places is just plain INSANE in 2024 etc. Needs to finally get this done!
Personally I think that grounded knees should be legal, but the same stipulations should apply as to elbows and punches where the Mohawk line is off limits. I don't support grounded kicks however. I think that the only time soccer kicks are effective is when the opponent is already unable to defend themselves, no need to give them an even more dangerous weapon on a defenseless fighter. Up kicks on a fighter in your guard is different though. My gut still says that's a bad idea
Another phenomenal video 👏🏼
Brilliant video lads, keep up the great work!
First Neil, now Marc Goddard. I like it 👍
Nice setup for this discussion 👍👏
Awesome interview
This was great!
Marc had a lot to say. Leads me to believe he doesn't get the opportunity often. Thanks for giving him a platform.
This was a really great interview
It's definitely used as a "hack" there is no punishment for failing on TD's just put one or two hands down and ur safe. Grounded for me should be chest to mat, not "Tripod" or "Turtle/all fours". Allowing grounded knee's gives fighters who are stuffing the TD's more opportunity and to stop TD spamming . Also don't agree with what Marc said that allowing grounded knees will then lead to soccor kicks coming back, that's just my opinion tho
Ahh fresh MMA on Point on my way to work. Nice
Guru said weeks ago that he was wrong on that. Not know or remembering that the rules are different in Vancouver
amazing content!
ONE just makes the UFC look utterly behind the times with their rule set. This is like baby steps instead of just making the adjustment to what makes sense. If you can run full speed across the octagon and lay a flying knee out then you should be able to knee a grounded opponent and knee your opponent from your back. DJ's pair of fights with Moraes are immensely more exciting than what we see in the UFC and the ruleset is the reason why.
Because Asian countries have different rules on MMA then America and Canada.
pay closer attention, ONE did a US event in Colorado with their ruleset @@tiredox3788
Now the MMA Guru gonna make 3 videos about this, repeating himself 20 times.
Do what I do, pretend his channel doesn't exist.
And they will be far more entertaining than this.
Please address the fake weight classes. People should have to make weight when they are going in the ring. That's the biggest problem.
Having then weigh in multiple times during camp to make sure they're within 10lbs of the weight class seems like it could work. Idk about short notice fights, though.
@@AngryJT I see your point but it should be the moment that they're getting in the cage to fight. That's the only way to have true weight classes. All of this weight cutting and then coming into the ring above the weight class limit is ridiculous.
@@ChrisWhalenCPA The problem is that there's no such thing as a true weight class. You you have a steamer in your colon? Your bladder is full? When was the last you are and much did you eat? Your weight fluctuates throughout the day, and the arms race nature of competitive sports will make it obligatory to fight while starving and dehydrated.
Love how you guys brought on a UFC referee to provide their input - great conversation 👏🏼👏🏼
Any time you guys can get a legit voice like this it's excellent! Great vid
Oh snap, I missed the 1M followers milestone. Congrats fellas! 🎉🎉
They did top 10 houses sold by Al Laquinta 😂
love a good mma on point video in the morning
Grappling on the ground can quickly turn to lay and pray. Grounded knees to the head keep the position active. Whenever I’ve seen them used, they aren’t the go-to fight-ending move. They are sprinkled in like any other technique. When they’re trained for and against, grappling becomes far more interesting.
I just dont want the three point stance being considered grounded. A fighter should be considered grounded only if his/her knee is on the ground.
not yall got marc goddard 😩😩 edit: this was a rlly good episode/video. i rlly enjoy this type of content. i need to join the hall of famers lol. thank you guys though, i love this channel so much
I’ve made mistakes at my job. Luckily I wasn’t on live tv for everyone to see, and then beat the brakes off of me on social media.
Mark Goddard shouldn’t get any hate for this fight. He made the best possible situation with sh*tty rules. He could’ve taken a point away, hell he could’ve ended the fight. You can’t expect him to see what mosvar is doing with his hand real time, he gave mosvar time to recover in case it was illegal and didn’t take the point in case it wasn’t. Can’t ask for much better until the rules are changed
One thing I have always been curious about is if they ever actually measured the power of stomps, kicks, and knees to a downed opponent. Are they actually any more dangerous than a standing strike? I kind of doubt it.
great conversation about an important issue. Goddard is a great ref.
Grounded Knees, Soccer kicks, and 12-6 meme elbows should all be allowed
Brave of Marc to speak up 👏
this is actually perfect, and the way he spoke out against the shit perfect
idk if this would be a change more so something I want added. I’ve always thought stuffing takedowns should be equally rewarded. If your opponent attempts 20 and he only gets two, you should be credited with defending 18 imo
But that benefits defensive grappling skills while leaving defensive striking skills out to dry. Blocks, parries, checks, dodges require good timing and technique as well.
As a casual this makes no sense. If you are on a knee you should still be able to properly defend your head using both your arms. Would you be able to properly defend your head with just one hand on the ground?
I don't think it would be fair to allow knees to the head of a grounded opponent when they have a hand down trying to defend a takedown along the cage but then when you're defending by sprawling you can't knee them because their knees are down. All the advantages are to the wrestler shooting and no risk for them when they fail. Either allow all knees or takedowns will become much easier.
First time I’ve heard Marc do an interview. Really not surprised that he’s a big football fan. He definitely argues about tactics with his friends
Mma rules may suck but we can take comfort in the fact that the scoring system sucks worse
The issue in the US is the state sovereignty Idea we're working with and all the bureaucracy. Our culture/government makes it quite a process to make things uniform across the nation. I'm all for a national commission to replace the state commissions. However, anytime a bureaucratic position/entity is proposed to be eliminated in the US, people whinge.
I don’t understand the point that marc is making about having a 280 plus man kneeing someone on the ground. Getting kicked in your head at full force isn’t that much better than getting kneed in the face for failing td’s. There has been multiple times people have gotten their face broken skulls cracked etc from punches, elbows, jumping knees, kicks. This sport is brutal and thats just the nature of it. Taking away grounded knees isn’t making the sport any safer if anything it’s hurting it which has been shown multiple times.
Marc was literally about to jump over the table when he said he wamts soccer kicks and no jujitsu
22:57 lmfao great line.
Marc showing why he is the best in the business again. As MMA is a professional sport, I totally agree knees on the ground should not be allowed, fighters should win fights, not end careers. I wish they would ban the oblique kick, as to my knowledge that kick is designed to damage your opponents knee; being caught in an arm bar you can tap or have a limb break, there's a choice, getting hit with a solid oblique kick to the knee, there's not much defence and you might never walk the same again and would likely have to retire. I want fighters to have longevity and provide us as much entertainment as they can for as long as they can (and also earn lots of money for their well-earned retirement).
Goddard looks like he wants to kill Luke more than once in this video 😂
Lets go guru, reaction time lol
The rules should be the same regardless of where they're competing. It should be ufc rules, not state or country rules. The ref could have an ear peice in, so someone who's watching on a tv can inform the ref if he's missed an illegal shot etc. The clip that was shown was a perfect example of when it's needed. If Mark had some assistance it would've made his life easier. I think the ref should be the 1 who judges the fight, not 3 random joeys who don't understand what's going 100%
Sadly that would require taking MMA governance out of the hands of state governments. I 100% support that, but if there is one things governments almost never do, is give back power they took for themselves. They should because they've proven themselves terrible stewards of all combat sports. But MMA is kind of at the mercy forever because of the law.
@therecalcitrantseditionist3613 all governments or leaders are terrible at everything except increasing taxes, poor border control, etc. I don't think anyone would like to lose the power they've got, whether that's Biden, borris Johnson, or the local shop keeper
Combat sports, due to health and safety but also gambling, are by default a state matter.
I'd be down for the Guru crossover if Guru wasn't such an ass to fighters an refs when he doesn't like them. Dude doesn't deserve that kind of awesome opportunity when he's just gonna go home and talk shit about Goddard on his channel.
Real interesting to get the refs perspective on these issues!
Guru/Goddard discussion header: “2 Guys and a Ground”
The BS grounded opponent rule has got to go. All it does is cause confusion/controversy and it gives fighters an easy way out when they are being pummeled. Allen vs. Evloev is a perfect example, Allen landed several knees to Evloevs head which were deemed legal, but because Evloev's fingers grazed the canvas when one of the knees landed, suddenly the strikes became illegal and they were separated, robbing Allen of a potential TKO win. You can brutally KO your opponent with a flying knee to the face or a spinning wheel kick to the head, but you can't knee them in the head if they have a hand on the mat. Where's the logic?
Did oblique kicks come up at all? I ld like to see what Marc thinks about them
Why?
@@TheStormbringer8751 a lot of people think they should be banned cause they destroy your knee. I'm fine with them personally but they're controversial
@@TheStormbringer8751 a lot of people think they should be banned cause they destroy the knee. I have no problem with them personally but they're controversial
i just hate oblique kicks. feels low risk for a fight winning / career ending reward.
Hahaha MMA Guru's impression of Goddard is spot on