Why were these NEW cars WORSE than their predecessors?
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As cars switch from one generation to the next, you can expect them to undergo a number of changes. From design refreshes (both inside and out), along with likely engine & performance updates, any new generation will certainly see a transformation compared to older models.
The problem is, these changes aren’t always for the better! And in some cases, the latest generation of cars can actually RUIN the great reputation the predecessor had built!
With that in mind, we’ve done our research and found the ten cars which shattered the popularity of their predecessor. Hatchbacks, sports cars and electric cars - they’re all included! The question is, have you ever been unfortunate to buy one of the cars in our list? Let us know in the comments!
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For some reason I watch them
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Bangle's 5 series has aged well. See one on the road today and you would never guess that it dates from 2 decades ago.
That's pure looker on road unlike the grilles on wheels we see today. Love E92
@Ty Ty he is the designer of bmw in 2005
Same can't be said for his 7 series, that thing still looks fat af
It's a modern classic for me.
Matt : sorry to intrupt you.... Me : okay.... *Double tap*
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Same.
Or use Vanced with sponsor block 😏
I pay for KZhead premium so these ads built within the videos are really irksome.
SponsorBlock for the win.
There should also be BMW 1 series old and current generation on the list
BMW wouldn't lend any more BMWs if he did that.
So then why did he talk about the M5’s then
Matt: Blaming Mazda mx5 even though he has one Also Matt: SpRiNg SpEcIaL oFfEr
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Smooth af
if the next video like this in 10 years doesn't include the new "C63 AMG" with 4 zylinder hybrid, i will be dissapointed.
You Dont even know how Its gonna be, Dont junge so fast
@@stoneslapper Will probably be worse due to regulations
Dude sad for sure but 10 years from now I guess we'll be happy to see even a 4pot petrol engine :D
@@alf279 ok you're right xD F.
What a lot of people don't realise is that the newest Celica was aimed at a younger generation. It was lighter and cheaper than its predecessor, handled better and produced over 100bhp per litre which was unheard of for a naturally aspirated 4 cylinder. Unfortunately the platform never got the aftermarket support it needed. So mods remained expensive. Great car though.
And the 1st gen Celica was FWD
Mat looks like Tom Holland in 30 years after he quit acting to pursue his passion for automotive journalism!!!
Lol
Lol
and who grew taller?
How many of those years were spent in a sunbed?
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Meanwhile basically all last gen Celica owners: "I DrIvE a SpOrTsCAr"
Scotty Kilmer: *heavy breathing*
Drive the 2zz variant, rev out 3rd gear and tell me it's not a sports car
@@Nippernator It's still only a sporty car I think. And I have a 2ZZ Celica. And I absolutely love it. But it's not a real sports car. It was in 2000 maybe,but not anymore. And I love that it's FWD because it's harder to drive=more fun for me.
@@0okyo What stops it from being sporty? You sit very low down, the engine is performance orientated, it corners well... The fact that its FWD and not that fast doesn't stop it from being a sports car.
@@Nippernator Sport cars mostly have slip differentials or higher acceleration and more power. Nowadays for sure. That's why I said it is sporty,but not a full sport car in my perspective.
As a Need for Speed Underground fan, I'm impressed that you essentially managed to insult 20% of the cars in that game in a single video.
Just remember it's only a game.
Hello extreme griefer Jesus
Mk4 gti anniversary had 150hp (tdi) The 115 hp you are referring to was a gt tdi and was the used for a short period when they switched to the PD engines, later replaced by the more common 130 variant.
I had a non anniversary diesel gti with the 150 tdi engine and it could shift. It was a 2002 in black. Cracking car at the time.
This is why I came to the comments.. is he forgetting the 150pd engine.. and the MK4 was much much better than the mk3
@@BrendyNew MK3's were far better than the MK4
@@rxpx69 didn't have the three but as a diesel head the 4 was much better
Yeah, I came to say the same thing. The GT TDi was not pitched as the same thing as the modern Grads, it was merely the top spec regular golf with a diesel. The PD engine was pretty solid and the later 150ps models were reasonably quick.
At last, he admits that Bangle's design was futuristic
yes it was and we hated it back in 2003, but now it looks sexy compared to the nicer but boring F10.
The E60 was ugly. Look at the E39 ... a much nicer and better car.
@@duncanidaho7494 the e39 was good...but just boring to me, the e60 was just a game changer... controversial, yes...but it stood out and it still turns heads in today's world
@@theotad933 the E39 is considered the best 5 series of all time. Bangle ruined BMW designs back in 2004. Plus the M5 E60 has horrible resale value . 1st ugly design and horrendous reliability (engine failure)
@@duncanidaho7494 a 15year old E60 M5 is still 20.000euro in Germany, a better maintained low milage costs 30.000euro. Is that a wrong retail price? Still around 25-30% of its original value after 15years is not that bad.
"It has front wheel drive. There's nothing fast or furious about that!" *Megane Trophy cries in Nurburgring record*
This would have been the favorite carwow video of my late grandma- everything is worse than it used go be :D
Well it is for her.
@@roberthoward9500 hi Robert. Longtime no see. Have u watched latest videos from Carwow?
Great video! But there is no such disadvantage of the Model S. In Germany Supercharging is completely free for all Modell S and X, but not for Model 3 and Y. I have driven my 2020 Model S Performance for 9000 km now and have not paid a single Cent for electricity, yet. And there’s a V3 Supercharger here in the city of Berlin - I love it!🤗
Mat- you’re one of my favorite reviewers and I gave this video a like but have to disagree re: the Porsche 718 being one of the 10 worst replacements. Yes, the soundtrack isn’t as pleasant as the previous generations but the styling and performance are better. The relatively little amount of low end lag is negligible and after that it’s spectacular. It still sounds good it just doesn’t sound like it did. Being an overall better car with a less brilliant soundtrack should not qualify for this list. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion but 10 worst?
I agree but Porsche did once give it a bad engine but they did learn from their mistake and have a good straight 6
@@teslaboynoureldin6294 flat 6
Agree, but I own one and live in blissful ignorance. Compared to the ND2 Miata I also owned it is an amazing car. After 3 years of owning both I just sold the Miata and kept the Boxster.
Also, the older Model S had a huge, and I mean HUGE, front truck. So large, you can fit an entire person in it (yes, there are videos on YT).
The best celica in the world has 240k miles and is owned by Scotty. There’s no arguing that.
Anyone who takes that muppet seriously deserves to have his driver‘s license revoked
Now we all know we will be seeing a citroen c4 review 3:30 let's see how long we have to wait
I own an F10, seeing it next to an E60 I would prefer my F10
Got a msprt f10 love it would not swap it for an e60, no way
From a design perspektive probably most will agrees with you. Looking at the engine, the V10 507hp was special. And the E61: very special
Last gen celica is one of the most beautiful toyotas and it still looks amazing even today.The 2zz version is one of the fastest 1.8L naturally aspirated engines ever made. The fact that it is fwd makes it very light and fast and it is not a disadvantage. Most of the sports cars and hot hatches nowdays are fwd. Who cares that it hasnt rally heritage.
Saw carwow notification and I never clicked on it so fast
The mk4 Golf GTI TDI had 150ps, which was released in 2001. The 115ps (6 speed) version was the TDI or GT TDI. To be 100% accurate the first mk4 GT TDI had 110ps (5 speed) which came out in in 98. In Germany the 110ps version diesel was available in the mk3 golf.
who tf cares ?
Yeah And i think the mk4 was a better car Sure the gti version was more like a trim model than a real gti but it had the 1.8t wich is one of the best engines vw ever made And the base golf was just way better then the mk3 It looked better too in fact i think it still holds up better then the mk5 Oh and the r32 version is just... A dream
I´d have to add the new F56 Mini Cooper S LCI, compared the the facelift of the F56 its down on power 178ps compared to 192ps and looks over styled and is significantly quieter thanks to modern regulations
The issue with the golf 4 and "GTI" was that it almost became a trim level rather than a spec. They (often at the dealership) stuck the GTI badge on most of the range. Most of the earlier diesel Matt refers to were badged as GT TDI though I believe.
I actually like the styling on the F10 M5
Me too
Very informative and fascinating video. Thanks!
I actually think I prefer the look of the F10 M5. But I can't ignore the noise of that E60's V10. One of the last great saloon engine noises we'll ever hear.
Where’s the 1 series on this list?
The new E Class should have definitely been on this list
Yes definitely
Thanks for your Videos Mat. You are a star.. thanks from mauritius
0:58 American over here, at least you got the proper EP3 Type R. we had to make do with the EP3 Si that had a massive 60hp less! the Si for eight generation civic, with the K-series motor, but we only got it in coupe and sedan forms, which were heavier. That did mean we got the double wishbone rear suspension though, so there is that.
5:32 I actually think this would be a good thing for lotus to try again. Take a VW golf, which has gotten quite large and heavy, and do a re-shell to make it lighter and much quicker. This would ditch all the most tedious stuff for a company to develop, and it would make certification much easier. The best part is if Lotus can remove enough weight they can make a sports car with better performance than a GTI with GTD levels of fuel economy.
7:42 in the states that car also had an even worse successor with the Scion tC. Which ditched the good looks, added a ton of weight, and drove like..... I'm still not sure what.
Matt: Worse CARS Everyone: Of *GREATNESS
Thus show how disrespectful Mat Watson and all car journalists is, they never accept other people's opinions. I swear Mat Watson and other all car journalists are just wishing death on car manufacturers for making cars that journalists don't like.
I love my MK4 Golf GTI. I know they slipped up as to be fair it’s not a sporty car. But there is just something about them. Much nicer place to be than other competitors from the era. And the MK4 started the R series of cars with the original R32. It also gave us the first dual clutch gearbox and Turbo engines in a GTI, ESP and 4Motion also.
Mat another brilliant Vid thanks 🙏🏻
The new golf R no longer has a 3 paddle option, which is a shame really! I'll have the GTI with the manual thank you
Whoosh!
What a phone reviewer on car video i m suprised i like web sites
Even though the Mustang II's 4 cyl engine was bad with 90HP, the 4.9L V8 engine was truly embarrassing with 139HP! It got to 60MPH in 10.5+ sec!
How is it even possible to make such a bad V8
8:14 You had, from GTI: Diesel 115hp and later 150hp(in some countries were only selling 150 version) ... Petrol GTI 170hp (2,3 NA) 180hp (1,8t) and 210hp(1,8t)...
For memory, the mx5 nb had that double reinforcement in countries that use salt on their roads. I don’t think this was the case in Oz, but I’m not sure. Either way, the mx5 nb was an amazing driver’s car 😍
I actually really like the F10 M5, it looks the best out of all M5s, second only to the E34, plus goodbye went the f*** SMG and in came a nice DCT. Also, the 718 Porsches were worse for petrolheads than the 981, but the turbo engines were better for the 70% of buyers who buy the car for the prestige and speed, not for the sound and engine response. Just saying.....
The free charging electricity in Tesla Supercharger is actually a great advantage
Yes, especially when you are living in in Europe and America where Superchargers are the most accessible for Tesla users. Free charging for life is saving your money about thousand dollars/year especially for those who love tourings or going overseas which is very convenient. Sadly, on 2017 onward, Tesla removed that because they feel they dont get income from using their "fuel" service which is very profitable if you count all that cars by that year, you actually get profit about millions of dollars just for Refuel, not including services and other things.
Bought one last year, had the facelift done!
Free SC, it's not worth that much for many people, and the old packs won't charge as fast as they used to (or as the newer batteries obviously)
Price fully charge on tesla?? 5 dollar?
When you purchase a Telsa, the cost of the "Free" electricity is included in the price of the car. Not to mention cost of the supercharger stations. Why would they sell a car with a set profit and risk you using 10 grand in electricity. How could Elon ever afford his hair club for men appointments? Its just a sales gimmick, like 0 percent financing...
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Besides the looks and downsizing of the car -- Mustang II was actually a sucess. Sure it had a "pinto" 2.3 which was quite a nice engine -- in it's European variant (1.3 1.6 (1.8) and mainly 2.0 - powered such cars as Cortina/Taunus, Capri, RS Escort Mk1 & Mk2, Transit, Granada (also TVR Tasmin) -> next the Sierra and Scorpio-> including a base for the 2.0 Cosworth Turbo engine (1985) or the Mk2 Escort Xpack with 145 HP (that is more than 5.0 Mustang from mid 70s) And it sold well 1972 they've made 126 thousand Mustangs 1973 they've made 134 thousand in 1974 Mustang II sold in 386 thousand cars !! There were only 3 years that Mustang sold better - 65, 66 and 67 .... and the new models are selling like 100 k Mustangs per year. Car had front disc brakes, rack and pinion steering, overhead camshaft (in 2.3) -- and the front suspension is now being used for hot rods to improve steering. Despite the crisis look and downsizing it was a good car. In the rear they've also replaced leaf springs with coil springs and 4link like suspension.
Always wanted a VW Golf MK3 VR6 😀 in dragon green with BBS wheels.
I clicked on this video faster than a Veyron doing a quarter mile.
Original model S also had ventilated seats with cooling feature, it was brilliant.
Another great video , thanks 🙏
FYI: tesla model s is quite rare in malaysia
Yea no shit mate
EVERY RECENT BMW
Yes how gracious of Porsche bringing back the 6 cylinder on cars that are double the base price of the Boxer/ Cayman whilst making them very difficult to buy at the same time.
Will use the Pub analogy after lock down in polite conversation 😂😂😂😂 brilliant
8:51 Back when VW and others kept making the passenger side wing mirror smaller than the driver side one.
James May: The world now is better than it was a minute ago Mat Watson: Yeah about that..
James May Argument: The current Civic type R is the best Civic type R. My point still valid Mat Watson: well the current eclipse is even worse than that eclipse James May: Cock
@@rockzs74r Mat Watson: so is video games, motorsport,movies and even your Tesla mr so called slowly may James may: cock
Hi could you do the video with your mr-2 on matwatson cars? 🙏
What do you think about the best Celica,but the version with 160 hp naturally aspirated?
wow - no free charging on the S is a bit of a stretch... IMO this is the biggest 'non issue' in the world of EVs - you charge 90% of the time at home, you pay $3k for solar at home and you have 90% 'free charging' for life - getting free Tesla Supercharging is not a good thing (you want people to charge at home 90% of the time...)
Here we go. One tesla fangirl had something to say. Bunch of snowflakes.
Tesla fan here 😁 Cant wait for that plaid in the channel!
That car is gonna hurt alot of feelings 😂
I had myself a VW Golf GTI III in 1996 while living in Barcelona, then after in Mallorca, I always drove as an old lady but I just had a nice car, that was the point to me. And a GTI V in 2008, this one already living by Amsterdam. The V was a big step but I don't think I made less than 10 seconds 0 to 100 km/h with none of them and from the several times I crossed Germany with the GTI V only once around Munich I pushed up to 200 km/h for a few seconds, rest of times up to 160 was more than enough. Getting back home to end up back to my misses was never motiviting me to rush
Suggestion for next race. Veloster N, Yaris GR, mini JCW GP. Almost same specs. So could be a close one
I'm actually personally surprised that my phone's font is as the same as the Carwow logo's font but thicker😂
The name of the font is 'Quicksand' as far as I know
@@zawadahmed9111 I see 🤔 but the font name in my phone has different name
@Beamerrex oh
my first car was an ep3. it was an absolute blast
Hey Mat, I’m an aspiring motor journalist and I need help knowing where to get the background videos for these voice over videos?
One of the worst offenders of this for me had to be the new M135i the old M140i was just better in every way other than interior space. It was a near perfect car and then bmw went and made it worse, this is even highlighted in mats video comparing the two
How about 10 CURRENT models that are worse than their predecessors. But no, Mat's firmly in the manufacturer's pockets. He won't bite the hand that feeds (pays) him. It makes his car-buying advice ultimately untrustworthy. Edit: please read my comment below.
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@@jamessmart2852 Hmm, sorry, yeah, my comment was a bit rabid. I feel chastened. But Mat does hold back from some fairly obvious and pertinent criticisms of current models, over the years. ... And I wasn't meaning to suggest any criticism of the core carwow business of helping car buyers.
I love the F10 M5😂🥵🥵
Me too
I rather listen to pure NA V10. Still can't forget about it.
@@Ren_1106 I mean yeah But in USA you could get a TTV8 with Manual in F10 M5 And it was more of a sleeper(just like E60)
@@sriharidesai7606 Pretty Rare?
I think i looks much better then its predecessor!
Bring back the timer on the Spring Sales ad, it helped me skip through it all easier.
Can you make a drag race with Volvo 240, 740 and 940?
Wait, you missed one already. It's Toyota Supra
Nah it improved
The GR Supra is actually improved
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The mk5 golf was also prone to have rusty wheel arches.
Now you should do "These 10 NEW cars were FAR SUPERIOR to their predecessors!" Did Kia ever sell what used to be the Elan? I don't recall it. What was it called? As for the Model S, how were they giving free charging for life prior to 2017? That's not very sustainable, is it? Well I guess that's why they stopped.
The way how mat mentioning tesla fanboys shows you what kind of people they are
Yeah. Tesla, Porsche and Mopar. 3 car companies with the worst fanboys.
@@neeljavia2965 yep And cant forget bmw fans...
BMW Fanboys watching you
Why is mat's eyes like that.
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How about reviewing the mark 8 Clubsport mate?
I have one of the free supercharging Model S. I was so ready to disagree with you until you brought that point up. Never going to sell it. Plaid Plus Model S is on order though.
The way he pronounced Toyots Celica was the first time I've ever heard someone call it like that. I really hope thats not how it's actually pronounced.
When he first said it I didn't understand what type of car he was mentioning. Then I saw it printed on the screen and it blew my mind. I also have never heard anyone pronounce Celica the way he did and he did it multiple times. My first car was an 87 Celica GTS. I looked through the comments just to see what I assumed would be a ton of people commenting on it but I didn't find many comments on it at all.
@@johngeorge1633 ah I see, yeah I'm sure it's cause of his accent and stuff
The way Matt says it is the original Japanese pronunciation but it can be pronounced either way. Just watch the tv adverts for the car
The move from the BMW M5 E60 to the F10 was actually a very good thing. When compared to the E60, the F10 was - Safer (structure) - Better, more reliable engine - More powerful engine - More economical engine - Superior gearbox - Faster acceleration Cars are not all about naturally aspirated sounds, which was the only good thing about the E60 to be honest.
Alex from Car Throttle in Phil at 3:05. Quality.
The mk4 was an excellent var in ny opinion, yes it was nit the funniest to drive, yes it was a bit slow in some versions, but don't forget abiut the outstanding r32 which was way ahead if its time, and it turned out that all models were pretty reliable too, I've got a 1.6 16v and well, its not fast but with good maintenance these things can last forever.
Bmw supra
Exactly.
So true about the civic It started to look like an egg
The new Celica is my favorite thanks to the fact that it has more after market appeal than it's rally predacessor.
The E60, E65, E90 etc gen are amazing cars. A little much to maintain but still fresh and all drive amazing. Have owned several of each of those chasis.
I can already know that the Toyota Supra is on top of the list without watching the vid completely
Personally the A90 is better than the JZA80 Anyways JZA70 Supra is the greatest Supra made
Even though the mkv is a better car.
It is not there
Fun Fact : *IT'S NOT THERE!!!!*
Unfortunately it didn't make it to the list
Mitsubishi screwed up the eclipse by making it a crossover
Great Video As Always
My family owns a Diesel Golf IV which was always poorly treated, but it still works fine at 350.000km driven and has a consumption at around 5L/100km.
WHEN are you gonna review the new C4?😩😩
Ep3 ❤
What a DECENT Video, and so correct Mr Mat W too
The v10 M5 (as the v8 m3) became an holy the day after it got discontinued. Provining once again that design is secundary, what makes a car a great car is other stuff. Gtr, v10 M5, current type R... not pretty for all, but amazing cars A45s, bmw m8, current supra... great cars but they'll be forgotten in one week after get discontinued
Too early, dont know what to say
lol same
Relatable
Monke
@@jorritvanderkooi939 you?
Who born in 70’s are used to hear that “more is more”. Today, “less is more”
Did someone tried to sell you a Tesla?
@@buddy1155 would like to buy a E-tron
@@eduardoreis3158 An E-tron is definitely not a more is less car, excellent choice.
@@buddy1155 you are right, but I was talking about thermical engines.
Having owned a 2015 981 Boxster and my Current 718 Boxster I disagreed. The 718 is faster, more responsive and handled tighter. Did I say faster? The only and I say ONLY thing that was better in the 981 was sound. Thats it
In outside UK, the Diesel GTi had 150 PS (Not BHp) from a 1,9 TDi?
when you're here before you get the notification
It's evolving, just backwards.
Completely disagree with the EP3 vs FN2 argument. Yes, the EP3 could be more fun around a track... But the FN2 is a comfortable (ish!) daily driver with a very good chassis. My FN2 (LSD upgraded) sticks like glue on even the wettest of roads and has never once made me question it's suspension setup. IMO (which may be different to yours!) the FN2 looks far better than the EP3 and the interior is a much more modern place to be.