Affordable Dream Car: Why The New Honda NSX Sold Bad, And Depreciated Worse
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In today's video we look at one of the most underrated cars of all time - the Honda NSX. Not the original, of course, but the reborn second generation car which never sold well. Prices in Europe took a tumble as soon as the car was released - but did we misjudge it? Today I finally drive one on some familiar roads and I get to find out.
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@JayEmm on Cars, Bro i'll tell you why they sold so bad you ready? Who the heck would dump 160k on a vehicle that barely gets 20-21 miles to the gallon? Seriously you could purchase a Tesla and never worry again. You'd have to absolutely mental to be spending that kinda cash sorry... =(
@@battosaijenkins946 that was definitely nothing to do with it... or Ferrari would never sell anything
@@JayEmmOnCars Bro think about it.. Exactly how fast does a Ferrari's depreciation value tank compared to the nsx? Thank you~
@@JayEmmOnCars i want one, so. damn. bad. i feel like the NSX, and the LC500 are the 2 greatest modern Japanese secrets. they're both really quite amazing, or so i've heard from reviews, but no body buys them because they're too expensive "for what they are, and what they do". but they make me drool, and i'd love to have them in my garage. i don't need a million Ferraris i'll never drive, or a Bentley, or Rolls Royce, or Mercedes-Maybach; just give me one of these, and i'd be set for life.
I personally worked on development for quite a few things on the NSX, and I have to say, while it may not have been a shocker in any way, it has a massive investment in next generation technologies in it. I worked more on the materials side of things so nothing too exciting, but still there were tons of new things created to make this car happen. Many of those technologies actually matured before the car started production and made their way to other vehicles. Whether it has the same track pedigree as the original or not, it's still a technological masterpiece and I'm proud to have been involved.
You should be proud . I would be . Alot of people are comparing this car to the first one . They're definitely comparing apples and oranges . The original car wasn't that fast however very well designed and engineered . This car has far superior engineering as you know. I don't think the price is outrageous by any means . I think because of the low sales these cars will be worth way more than 160k twenty years from now alot like the Supra .
Don't minimize your contribution. Materials science is one of the most interesting fields out there today. My 2p.
ii had the opportunity to drive a 1992 Acura NSX, in 1993, and that is still 1 of the top 3 Best Cars i have driven in my life . . . i would have loved to buy the new Acura NSX -R, but the economy is so volatile and my position isn't as stable as i would want it to be to purchase this car, so for now it's still just a dream*
Do you have any idea why they didn't lean on the original beautiful design
It can only go on a straight line .......
I feel like when this car was announced everyone was super excited about it and there was a huge amount of hype around the technology, but they dragged it out for so long that by the time it came out everyone was over it already.
Same as what happened to LFA but it got good name tho
@@ultraguy8771 exactly, the LFA was a ultra-rare commodity. Also Lexus has a better dealership experience than Honda, who wants to drop 180,000 on a car from a Honda dealership? Having to rub shoulders with the unwashed hoi-polloi there to get an oil change on their Civics and HRV's? It's always going to turn the upper crust off. Really the same attitude the original car had back in the 90's - I remember reviewers looking down their noses at it because of the Honda badge, making bullshit claims that it drove more like an Integra than a Ferrari - and now look at it - it's a sought after collectors item. Same thing will happen with this too - maybe even more so because of the insanely low numbers the were sold in.
And the competition had already surpassed this car. Day late, dollar short…
@@TML34 I still like it a lot - and you know that even though Honda aren't what they were in the 90's quality wise, it's still going to give you way less problems than anything from Italy or Germany will.
@@Beer_Dad1975 $$$. duh super charge the v6 and sell it for $70-90k and it would have been a success like the first one and 500k lighter. a super car that wont break formula was then and now.
It's so underated. The upside is when you see one on the road you know it will be driven by a enthusiast not someone following the crowd and trying to look flash!
Or someone who wants a car where you can turn off all assists or not understeer terribly when the car is in stock form
This was always the case with the original as well. Every owner knows exactly what they're in, there are never a non enthusiast owner as can be the case with Corvettes, Porsches, Ferraris and Lamborghinis.
Yeah, and I guess there's not so many of them with that amount of money.
Yeah, nobody thinks that. An enthusiast would be in an og NSX.
@@nobodynoone2500 it actually is how people think considering how unpopular of an option the NSX is with rappers, show offs, influencers, and rich people. Pretty much the only people who own this thing are Honda fans who got money. People aren't journos, every Lambo, "rari", AMG, etc isn't bought because they are so much better than the NSX, it's because nobody wants to stunt in a Honda. Honda suffers from the same thing Toyota/Lexus do, everybody wants a Euro for an exotic, nobody thinks Japan makes anything other than ecoboxes, except for enthusiasts, and there aren't many of them out there.
“There are plenty of wealthy Honda fans out there.” Yeah, but Honda doesn’t know it’s own performance fan base. The wealthy Honda fans are having built k series engines with insane boost configurations put into old RSX type S or doing complicated engine swaps onto S2000s. Or buying and building old NSXs.
There are plenty of wealthy Honda fans. And they are not buying a Honda for performance 😆. They buy the usual, gtr, ferrari etc.
The Lotus Evora GT looks more exotic and is much more affordable. The new Lotus Emira is even more exotic-looking and is even more affordable. These builders are totally missing one fact: "If you build a sports car in a high state of tune and performance, but it does not look exotic, and maybe even looks generic, you can JUST FORGET ABOUT CUSTOMER ENGAGEMENT." Honda chose a very bland unexciting body to cover up the performance. DON'T DO THAT. This dang thing looks like a $20,000 Hyundai. There's nothing wrong with a new $20,000 Hyundai. But when a $160,000 Honda looks like a $20,000 Hyundai, or a $20,000 Scion, THAT'S A SHOW-ENDER .
@@matt33876 those aren't honda fans then
@@r3uvsgaming well, I'm not rich. But I'm not poor. And I drive a viper. And no, I wouldn't buy a Honda. It's a commuter car. If I'm looking for MPG, I will go electric. If I want fun, I'm going super car or something crazy. Not a Honda lol.
@@matt33876 You're simply biased. Not everyone has the same negative connotation of Honda as you do. Plenty of people enjoy Hondas and view them as more than just commuters. It's near sighted to see it otherwise.
Some day they will cost half a million not because they're good but because they're really rare
Spot on sir - 40-45 yrs though mind probably - I only buy this sort of car eg M1 E26, Run-out NSX-R (Japan import) in white, SLS, Clk black. 968cs, 996.1 Rs, I8 Roadster....buying current NSX at moment !
lmao,,, no
If nobody wanted them back then, surely no one wants them in 10 or 20 years. They'll be forgotten soon.
@@Corvolet5 nobody wanted my 2002 Z8 or 2012 SLS in 2003/2013 so both were discounted 35% off list price when new !!! - both are now well over (and one is double) list !
@@paulthorpe766 I read some of your comments and was about to ask what cars you don't own. LOL. No offense. I'm German and as for the SLS it has serious popularity even to this day. Not the best track car but definitely a good Mercedes. Can't say many people remember the Z8 but it was astonishing when it came out.
In my opinion they damaged the sales of this car by showing it in 2012 then not releasing it until 2016, £180,000 with a few options for a 4 year old Honda just doesn’t cut it when there were cheaper options & more glamorous looking options, it didn’t offer looks or value for money performance that could make it a “must buy” for many people, its price bracket was too high for that so it was just another generic expensive fast car, hardly anyone cared about whatever trickery was under the bonnet when it’s competitors are neither slow nor bad at handling. The car already felt dated by the time it came out, not because of styling but because it had been shown repeatedly on every car media outlet. And featured in games like Gran Turismo years before launch, it had gotten to the point you wouldn’t be surprised to see it drive past on the street, it felt like it had already released. And then when it did release it didn’t make its way to Europe straight away giving potential buyers even more time to turn their eyes to newer models, they should have kept the design secret until it was ready to release so it felt like a fresh car on launch, rather than having 4 years for the hype to wear off and people to become accustomed to it and lose interest. Maybe it wouldn’t have made much of a difference but that was always my take on what hurt this model. Might have helped to have had the 2021 facelift prelaunch in 2016.
Tell this to Tesla with the new Roadster...doubt it'll hurt their sales
@@justsomeguy1141 Lol yeah. It won't hurt their sales because it's just a wet dream of Tesla fanboys.
More glamorous options🤔...THIS is exactly what I'm talking about. Speaking of THIIIS, it's DB's like him and needing to be validated with a badge to friends as why the others get more attention!
The design dated quickly. I thought it looked cool when I first saw it but after a week it was bland. You'd just buy an original NSX surely.
Use some punctuation. It is like breathing. That sentence was long as hell.
I worked at the place that makes the engine block,bed plate and heads for this car ,was really a rewarding experience and I learned a hell of a lot ,proud to say I was involved ,regardless of the end reviews
If this was £60k this would be the legend it deserves to be and would’ve all sold out. No need for the electric motor gubbins just a 500bhp v6 would’ve kept the cost down
Agree with you on this, the original NSX was around $75k in 1994 Honda needed to get a base model that could beat the price on the GT-R (R35) if they did that with like you say a decent 3.5L V6 with Honda reliability it'd more than likely helped sales. There is a market for people that cannot afford to be spending $150k+ but want a new supercar and Honda kind missed it by not hitting the $70k-$90K market.
@@happyguy5025 you do realize that $75k in 90s money is ~$135k today, right? They're right in the same ballpark as the original
Agree, 911 entry price should have been there market audience.
@@seismic6435 They're not in the same ballpark as the original, the only reason it costs so much is the complicated hybrid system driving up the price. It could totally have come out as a sub six figure car, loaded with features no less.
@@shawcobra they literally are.
Great car I had the opportunity to drive one after selling my 2000 NSX-T I really enjoyed all the technology packed in there but walked away; when the dealers are price gouging and I can pickup a Lambo for less, that’s the biggest reason they haven’t sold well
Such a curious car. Never really understood why they didn't lean more on the heritage of the original design. Still, nobody can get it right every time.
Because Honda is (was?) both a forward thinking company, and unafraid of applying their own new technology. I applaud this vehicle, and I'm sure that comparison with a legend like the GTR would sit well with Honda.
@@chrisslater3174 I guess, but as much as a comparison might sit well, I suspect the lack of sales won't. I think you can be forward thinking in design, tech and performance while keeping the principles of why it's predecessor was such a desirable car - in price and aesthetic. I don't think they achieved that and that's why I believe it fell short on sales. A shame given it appears to be a great car, dynamically.
@@chrisslater3174 The GTR is only a legend with certain narrow demographics. Otherwise, Nissan is considered a junk brand by my age group.
@@chrisslater3174 Is Ferrari not forward thinking due to their nods to heritage?
Agreed! Did their customers ask for a 3900lbs sports car? Did they ask for hybrid technology and fuel economy? Apparently not?
If I were lucky enough to have that kind of budget, this would be on my list. It looks great, you’ll not see another coming the other way, and it’s a Honda, so it will be beautifully made, reliable and have sensible servicing costs (I imagine)
Well, I was in for buying the original NSX 20 years ago, when they were on there lowest value point. But after looking up service intervals and costs.... 🙄 How the saying goes "If you couldn't afford it new, you can't afford it to maintain used."
Supposedly the oil change is somewhere in the ballpark of $500 at the dealership, since there's 7 separate drain plugs. Some Acura dealerships will charge considerably less, but it will take the dealer a few hours to properly do an oil change on the NSX. Not a normal oil change process. But yes, it should be reliable like any other Honda/Acura product.
Here in 2024: Let no one forget the error of their ways, this 2nd gen NSX is the foundation on which each and every single super car is now built on. This was the pioneer of what was to come. (Literally Twin Turbo V6 Hybrids are the power plants in super cars now)
Well, Honda sells enough civics, accords and SUV's (worldwide then), that they can afford to release a car like this every now and again, I assume. In general I feel they deserve more credit and buyers in Europe as they still make excellent cars. I certainly love this one and if ever I felt the need and have the means for a supercar, this is the one I'd choose. It just looks that great and is so unique. The depreciation thing will be something temporary, I think, as that is usually the case with cars like this, especially if they are so rare. If, in a few years time, one of the very few owners decides to sell his NSX he can pretty much ask anything he wants for it, because when will another one come up for sale? Great review, so big thanks to you!
Yes, they can. And they certainly calculated the risk of building this car, or they calculated that they wont sell that much. Its a "halo car" for the showroom, nothing more. But even they must have been surprised how bad the car sold, and maybe they are under their own expactations/calculations. We will never know. If you want European customers, then you have to actually sell the car in Europe. Initially it didnt come to us. It was first sold in the US (most important sports car market) and Japan. It shows to me that they had a limited production run / or customers in Europe werent that much interested right from the start. I remember a lot of bad press back then. Also because of the limited production it was quite expensive (less cars have to share the development cost). The market for cars - as for any assetts - is not consistent. Just because prices for cars have risen in the past decade it doesnt mean it will continue like that. If there is a global recession or even a depression, the owners will need money and therefor sell their assetts. This will depreciate anything, even homes and all-time-favourite cars like the Ferrari 250 GTO, because there will be much more offer then demand. The market can crash really quickly. And we are living in uncertain times.
@@Gentleman...Driver it didn't help that nobody in the US liked it either. It was too heavy, too complicated, too ugly, not enough of a pure driver's car like the original was...
Its an Halo car
@Johan G Bravo!
Honda has been going downhill since 2000 or so. They started spending millions to lobby against your right to repair your own car.
Great review of a car, that I also really like, because of the technology and the looks. Now I know, that it drives, too!Thank you, Jay and keep up these genuine reviews!
The 2nd gen Honda NSX failed due to several reasons (some were Honda´s fault, others not): - Car enthusiast that could buy this car are divided in 2 groups: the one´s that know/remember the original NSX (a car as powerful as the Ferrari F355 of the time but cheaper, more reliable and easy to drive everyday) and people who wants "the best" of the market (the kind of driver´s that bought the original NSX because Honda was the best engine in F1 at that time). When Honda announcement the "new NSX" in 2007 with a V10 the public reaction was "yeah, a V10 with F1 technology". Later they cancel the F1 team and car so that conecction was lost. - They "revive" the project in 2011 but now due to marketing issues they will not use the V10 (the big selling point) but a twin-turbo V6 4WD hybrid and starting sales in 2016 but look at the market between 2011-2016. The car geeks who remeber the original NSX vs F355 now compare it with the 458/488, Gallardo/Huracan and MP4-12C/650S. All them had the same power (or more) and were ligther. Basically with all the delays and complexity of the hybrid part they launch a "weak car". Also you can buy a Nissan GT-R with the same numbers without the complex issues related to the hybrid side, if you have A LOT of money is easier to get a Lexus LFA with a true N/A V10. - The design was a huge mistake by Honda. The original one was a Pininfarina project, the new one? By Honda of America and looks like a Audi R8 facelift. Even worse when Jay Leno show in it KZhead (both cars side to side and you an notice they dont have anything in common) a lot of car geeks discover the team was lead by a woman (Michelle Christensen, her first lead design project) and of course they said "that´s what happen whey you give a project to a woman". - Now check it´s domestic market (Japan). The original NSX was "the pride" of Japan, built in theiw country by "THE BEST", the new one? Yeah, in America, no surprise they couldnt sell a lot of them in Japan.
As far as the design lead is concerned I can imagine people having an issue with this being her first lead design project. The NSX should probably not be someone's first as a project lead
Exactly, well construsted comment, couldnt have put it better myself
last point is big hit for honda, they build flagship in America plus 200k usd. nsx don't sale hot in the states
The original NSX design was first penned by a woman
@@jacquesleconte8152 wrong, Masahito Nakano was the lead designer.
Lovely and poetic segment, James. Well done.
Similar things were said about the original as well. Look at the values now. Sometimes people don’t appreciate things until they are gone.
Never seen one on the roads. Such a shame, as it has pioneered the future of the supercar. Its a turbocharged hybrid V6, which people complained made it heavy and the like. But now both Ferrari and McLaren are now producing turbocharged hybrid V6 supercars...
I think that's the key to its failure. The right product at the wrong time.
I saw one in black once in the UK and thought it did look really cool. It IS quite small and has a sort of Japanese Gallardo feel
@@LupinYonderboy Agreed - had to look twice.
The problem is McLaren and Ferrari hybrids weigh much less than the Honda.
@@v4skunk739 yeah, for about a million more.
I remember as a kid watching TV commercials for the original NSX where an old Italian man mistook the car for a Ferrari which was a brilliant piece of marketing and really brought people into the dealers to look at the car.. .and that's where I think part of the problem was the lack of Honda's marketing around this cars brilliance
Yah, an episode of Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee didn't really do it.
the trouble is that supercars are desirable because they are flamboyant and ridiculously expensive for what you get. this care is only a little bit of the former and absolutely none of the latter.
or performance, where this also fails.
Fails I do not think so. 0-60 in sub 3.0 dude are you smoking something. NSX, GTR, and the Porsches are the best money can buy Fuck all the Flamboyancy. Its about straight killing power and delivery. These have it and still run decades try that with those pesky Ferraris.
I've only seen one of these in the real world, it was smaller than I expected! Maybe it speaks to me being a bit of a nerd but I'd much rather have this over any other supercar. It will do everything they will do on the road but is more practical and hopefully reliable.
Have you seen a Veyron in person? They are much smaller than you'd think.
Yes you are correct! I've driven my 2018 over 26,000 miles in the last 2 years with absolute confidence. No mechanical failures, no CEL, or weird quirks. I had a passenger window regulator go out and that was replaced under warranty but other than that it's been solid. Drag race, road course, lots of rallies and plenty of launches and roll racing and it just keeps going pull after pull.
I've seen these that get taken in track and have well over 100 thousand miles. That's commendable
A fantastic review. Thoroughly enjoy your content. Please don't change
The problem with the modern NSX is not only the price. If that car had a simple twin turbo V6 and had a let's say 90k price it would sell all day. We didn't want another hybrid we wanted something like the 1st gen NSX.
I'd take one of these over a lot of other supercars. I love the looks of it.
Take yes. But would you pay for it?
Thanks for letting us know.
@Hd35 Hd35 I don't regard the GT3 as a supercar though. If I wanted a car from that class of vehicle, that would be my choice.
@Hd35 Hd35 that's your opinion, but I don't see it that way.
@Hd35 Hd35 that's as may be, but I don't agree. End of conversation.
Finally the review I wanted to hear about the new NSX! Critics said similar things about the original. They weren't particularly loved by the masses and the sales reflected this. Time has changed things considerably with regards to both reputation and values, I suspect history may repeat itself.
It sure seems that way. Been watching the market trends. Seems now that the word is out they're discontinued people are beginning to buy them up.
The original was loved by the customers. It did quite well for a sports car. The motorsports success definitely kept the legend going. You have to understand that the car was sold for 15 years, and by the time it stopped production, it had only just been outdone by Ferrari.
When I was in the Acura shop, I was talking with their Service Manager who got to track an NC1 and talk with the dev team prior to its release. I cannot validate how true this is but he said , from day 1 Acura/Honda never expected it to sell like the old NSX...and for them to turn a profit they'd have to sell it for something like $300K+ mainly because of all the R&D costs that went into it. They wanted to release it to show that Acura was still on the cutting edge of technology. Again, I cannot validate any of this but it sort of makes sense.
Like Lexus with their LFA. They kept it in development for such a long time because they wanted it to be perfect, that by the time it finally arrived, they were losing money on each one sold. And the specs weren't even that great, because, in the meantime, the world switched to turbo engines. Now it has become a collectors icon and sells for prices, Lexus should have asked for it when new.
There will always be those snobs saying you don't pay that much money for a Honda. Well ... right now Lambo, Ferrari, McLaren , Porsche or any other manufacturer don't lead the fastest series in the world, F1. Honda does that
If I had money, I would have this ahead of R8. "Oh look, an R8, cool", or, "Is that an, eh, NSX, wow, amazing" Exclusivity.
Viewed from the front, this might also go like this: Is that a, eh, riced out Civic, wow, ridiculous.
@@Baerchenization lol , if you're literally blind
I live in Canada and a huge Honda fan since I was 7 years old, now 46 and have owned over 30 Honda/Acura products, I never forget the great feeling each gave me. I loved my first car a 4 door Acura Integra in early 90s(my mom bought first year of round headlights and still drives in summer on beautiful days). I have owned the legend, TLX, MDX, ODYSSEY, S2000, NSX, CIVICS, RIDGELINE TRUCKS, etc...I still own 2.0T 2020 Accord, 2009 and 2018 RIDGELINE trucks, 2018 type R, still waiting on my wife's TLX Type S, MDX Type S, and wanted to trade in my 2017 NSX for new 2022 Type S version, but all sold out....the point is, between my family and myself we have and still own various Honda products and all are far more happy than with other manufacturers overall, only a really stupid person does not appreciate this car, and a stupid person would think less of Honda products. Honda is top 2 power units in F1 right now, makes Hondajet Elite series business jets, and just announced bigger business jets series Hondajet 2600...Honda is one of first to work with hybrid vehicles and hydrogen powered vehicles, Honda is one of first manufacturers to patent full autonomy for vehicles, robotics, and various innovation that has changed the vehicle industry, manufacturer with cars in most variety of races and also various motorcycle series...many talk dumb stuff, but the NSX will outlast all the others in class even if daily driven.
Biggest automotive mystery of the millennium. I just can't comprehend it. It looks stunning.
It’s just not want people wanted at a price they was happy to pay
It is such an afterthought though for Honda. When did they build the last even remotely interesting car? They only build shit for the elderly like the Jazz. If you go to a Porsche gathering, you get the cars that are just as exciting as yours - if you go to a Honda meeting, you might as well go to the Walmart parking lot. Who wants to associate with an aimless brand like that? It lacks appeal in too many departments.
Not a huge mystery it was just way too expensive. Also the C8 Corvette entered the scene and offered the same performance and better styling (imho) at half the price
It looks cheap. Both the front end and rear end are nothing special, and the interior (especially the center stack) is horrible.
@@ericdouglas7039 The C8 and Nissan GT-R both have larger interiors that Americans can fit into more comfortably. A HUGE reason why the NSX doesn't sell.
nice drive footage at the start. i wish most car videos started that way
My son and I borrowed one of these in Japan about 2 years ago for an unforgettable drive amongst the B roads of Mount Fuji. Apart from the blistering acceleration, the striking thing about this car, is that it would make a really good daily driver. The ride was very compliant but not at the expense of poor handling.
The original NSX was a success because compared to a Ferarri of the time, it offer a better and more spacious interior, equal driving dynamics, and yet a lower price. This new NSX is priced right within its competition, the interior is not better, or more practical, and it doesn't even have superior dynamics, or even street cred. Regardless of how well tuned it is for road and ever day use, people are gonna compare this on a computer, watch some reviews such as yours, and decide that if they gonna spend this much money new, they rather have a well optioned out 911 if they care about good engineering, or buy into other established super car makers for the street cred. Basically, this new NSX doesn't have a clear edge on its competition in order to justify having to deal with everything that the Honda badge brings with it. That being image, sales service, and after sales service when compared to the likes of Porsche, Lamborghini, McLaren, and so on.
Honda service in N. America is far superior than any of the makes you listed, yet it didn't sell well here either, so you can throw that theory out.
@@christschool just because a Honda dealer treats you better than a Toyota dealer doesn’t mean it’s on par (or yet better) than the overall experience you get at dealerships the likes of Porsche, yet alone McLaren or Ferrari
@@556johny556 I never said a Honda dealer treats you better than a Toyota. I believe it's the opposite generally speaking. However, the high order bit which you missed, is if you have been a supercar owner for any length of time, you would KNOW that Porsche, McLaren and Ferrari have a LONG way to go to compete with Lexus on the service experience. My Ferrari dealer took 6 fucking weeks to change a single button on my car as an example and Jay has many videos on the poor McLaren customer service.
We have one of those "reliable" McLaren 720S's in my family, it has an issue everytime it is driven. And the dealership experience? Are you kidding? They have no clue. Unless you own these cars why are you even talking about the "ownership experience"?? You have no idea.
@@hermannstolzenberg5728 I’ve never once said anything about reliability, but go on. However, if you think Honda can do it so much better, why do you have a 720s rather than the NSX?
Excellent video, one of your best
It's just too expensive, especially in North America. The new C8 Corvette and upcoming Lotus Emira has proven that Honda screwed up on the price, probably because they over-engineered a car that didn't need to be at the price point it should have competed at. They over-reached and fell off the horse. Although I desired one, I ended up buying a fully loaded C8 Corvette Stingray ... at less than half the price and I've gotten three times the attention of the NSX. I saw an NSX on the road once and you know you're driving something special when an NSX owner gives you the thumbs up as you drive past them.
Recently drove one myself and loved it! Agree with everything you say about it. Now looking to trade my R8 in for one.
do it, real drivers deserve to drive real driver's cars. You make an R8 look bad. Fonies deserve their playstations so, do get your 2 tone Honda. Better yet, go to the US and A and get a new one, spend those money, show your true appreciacion of this "marvellous technical jewellery"!
@@eugenux dono why u talkin shit when the R8 is just a shittier aventador lmao
@@eugenux Lol, knobend
Ex-NSX NA1 owner here. The original NA1 and NA2s had a charm, this is more like a robot. The new generation doesn't even resemble the old, had pretty tamed styling and was overdone with all these technologies that detract from a raw, visceral driving experience. But of course this is the expectation from the higher powers of Toyota, they can't be seen to produce a stripped down racer like the Ferrari F40. What the new NSX needed to sell it and create a cult following, was to remake a derivative of their old RA series V10 engine, a twin pack, single clutch, basic ABS, stripped out interior, rear wheel drive, and something low slung like the original NSX but wider to 1.9metres - and with no excessive rear overhang. This would have put the thrill factor in and garnered more buyers. While the original NSX did make you feel special sitting in it and driving it, the one major thing wrong was it wasn't a thrilling machine and was designed to be daily driven, which is nice, but dulls the point of this kind of exotic car.
Very enlightening review. Cheers
If it had a Mercedes, BMW or Audi badge then no one would be complaining about this car. Honda (although a manufacturing giant) are still an independent family run business and it shows in the engineering and the level of care and attention they engineer into their cars unlike Mercedes/BMW and Audi.
BMW is a family owned brand
all that may be true but their cars look awful no passion , no soul , no flare , just plain boring
Pfffft I think Honda auto is overrated sir. My opinion totally. Sorry Man. The Honda name gets more coddling then Audi BMW or Mercedes. So your comment isn’t totally true. Audi isn’t anything more than a flashy VW.
Family run just means a group of failsons get to fuck shit up…. Also by your definition BMW, Porsche audi group, Toyota and even ford are family run… none of those cars are any gooder than non family ran stellantis, chevy, mercedes, nissan or subaru. Think about how diffuse the chain of command is at 300,000 person companies ran entirely by professional management….. not much room for the family to do anything other than feel special and entitled.
Would love this car to go along side my 2018 Fireblade SP❤️ Honda just make quality stuff.
I would love one of these. If I could ever afford a car of this calibre, I would definitely consider buying one. In 10-15 years time, this'll probably be worth more than what Honda wanted for them, purely because of how rare they are. It'll be a future Japanese classic for sure, just like the original NSX.
As ever Jay a really interesting review, and the road you were driving looked so good I had to track down where you were! On another point about the engine build using electronic recording torque wrenches-you may not be aware that Ducati built their superbike engines using exactly the same technology?
Don't know when you shoot this video, but I noticed you often take the same driving roads to what I take up here in Scotland - also used to live not far from there. ;) Carron Valley is nice, if you keep going, you could get up to Aberfoyle and hit the Dukes Pass - just avoid it during holidays and weekends. I chased down an Evo with my BMW 10 years ago on the Dukes Pass, I think the guy still has nightmares from it that an old 90s 5-series overtook him in a U-turn and he struggled to keep with me....
I wish they'd have done a Red Bull Goodbye version. Amped all the way up. Batteries, motors, dynamics, weight.
They have. It’s called the Type S, although production is very limited.
Its also not a crazy hardcore thing like they could have made
There are 7 for sale in Europe, and what JayEmm says about depreciation, is not completely true. The lowest price listed is 136k euros, but all others more around 180 - 200k euros.
There are at least 4 available in Germany, all starting at 189k €
The fist minute. Just the road and the sound. Love it!
A very Jeremy Clarkson esk ending. Very tidy summary and well produced video. Love your work
I have this car - an NC1 and I paid £90k for it. I had the first generation NA1 and the latest car is immeasurably better. The first generation car was always looking for the opportunity to kill me, at the limit I had to be better driver than the car ( which I am not) whereas the current car is better than me. It is a performance car bargain bar none and if it remains a secret I don’t care as it is mine. No one that has driven one that has a clue about driving could deny its genius where Honda threw everything they had at it and it is still 100% reliable and I am getting 30mpg (don’t care 😀)
Exactly. People who criticize the new NSX have never driven it. Honda is known for pushing new tech. CVCC, VTEC, IMA, SH-AWD and now this system. I have driven the new NSX and it is incredible. Much better than the other supercars I drove in the same category. The only car I have driven as good as the NSX was the LP610-4. The old NSX is no where near the caliber of the new one.
Very good point, people just look at the badge and dismiss the car, while missing the entire point of the car. Without this car, there will be no Ferrari sf90, and a car using more advance hybrid tech than a Porsche 918 and yet people still just say it's just a Honda, I mean FFS!
Working on getting one, doesn't matter which year but I will get one! Doesn't need to have all the fancy packages either, just want a nice clean NSX to drive around and go to shows with.
I’ve always loved these, wish Honda sold more as I can’t find one in Australia to buy
Man those things depreciate like a bookshelf falling down a staircase... Looks awesome in white though.
I literally looked up the prices and these things are virtually still retail. I'd hardly say they've depreciated as much as your comment suggests
@@seismic6435 Same here, they're really expensive, don't know what he's on about.
@@superyan4100 maybe they're talking after dealership markups. MSRP is $150k and they're still hovering around that ballpark
Agreed, depreciation is lowest in class. Major oversight there given he’s stated the US market is his largest viewership.
To paraphrase Keiichi Tsuchiya. The car looks and drives like it is aimed at long distance cruising in America. It is not really a successor to the original NSX, it just has the name.
Original NSX wasn’t very powerful, was softly sprung, lots of cargo space. More a rewarding cruiser than a track weapon
@@Sean-if7rp Yes, but it had driver involvement and best in class feedback. The Type R, especially the NA2, were great track weapons.
I absolutely love this car. I would go for the blue like you with the silver wheels and cream interior
I still want one. Not the fastest or the flashiest car but I find it beautiful. Have seen a few in person and WOW. Too bad even the 2017 are still selling for over 100K.
I'm getting closer to 60. I'm not into hybrids. If it's performance, it must be 3 pedals, and a lever between the seats!
I'm 35, and 100% agree. Anything else is simply not a real performance car.
@@matt33876 i agree that manual is much more fun but to say it isn’t a real performance car because it has a dual clutch automatic is a really brain dead thing to say
@@wyatt7454 Sorry, that's my opinion. 🤷♂️ If your not banging gears, it's not a full performance car to me. If a 16 year old new driver can hop in and drive it, then that's not full performance.
@@matt33876 to be fair 16 year old new drivers learn manuals as their first car lots and lots and times, just not in America anymore. My first car was a manual
@@LordDiddyDot In the US, it's like 2% of vehicles on the road are manual. And I bet semis account for 1% of that lol.
The problem with this car will always be the price.. Nissan hit the nail on the head with the GTR it filled the void of the old NSX
Yep. The GTR and Audi R8 took on the Porsche 911 Turbo and did a great job of it. All of which have now gotten a lot more expensive by the time the new NSX came out. They should have gone back to basics and undercut them, instead of trying to fight some of the best and most exciting supercars ever made. Hindsight is a bitch I guess. Maybe when they announced the 2nd gen NSX in 2007, they didnt expect the competition would be that tough.
The GTR is a mechanical masterpiece. It feels like a videogame though. The driving experience is not great.
Would love to test that system with no connection between driver and brake pedal, sounds intriguing compared to current brake by wire where the disconnect is between the pedal and the caliper.
Handsome car! Awesome to see you love it! Would love to see your favourite car of each segment. Eg. Luxury = S Class Sport = NSX Small = Polo Etc………🙏🏻👍🏻🥰☺️🇳🇿
I think the best write up on these was Guy Martin (IOM TT Racer) who was given one for a week. "Yes, it’s understated, but if you’ve chosen an NSX, you know your stuff. It’s a proper doer’s car without screaming about it. And possibly the greatest car I’ve driven."
GUY MARTIN IS A FREEMASONRY 'MADE MAN' he's full of bull.
That was a really enjoyable review!
Jay...I looked into the NSX before going for the 488GTB...what put me off buying one around 2 years old was the extended warranty (after the Honda manufacturer warranty expires from new) 12K for 2 years!! and for 2 annual services 3.5K! ...I spoke to a chap at Honda Chiswick about this and was gobsmacked! You won't see any for sale with Honda extended warranty in fact you won't see any for sale anyway:) so few but they are now slowly appreciating. Once again you're right about Ferrari v Honda.
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Thanks a lot for posting. One of the best NSX reviews with loads of information. About pricing and future prices: If I remember correctly the first NSX was received exactly the same way. With reservations, limited sales numbers and prestige no way near a Ferrari. And then look at todays prices of the first NSX! I predict that history will repeat itself in 10-20 years! 🙂
I own a 2017 - in the first three years of its life, Honda will come, wherever you are in the UK, pick it up in a covered lorry (they don't want them seen being transported because it may look as if it has broken down ) and take it to London, service it all at their expense. After that you have to get it down to London and after a few days pick it up. It is very inconvenient . Parts are very expensive, the front indicator went and a whole new light unit was required - £2500 - could not be supplied to a local Honda dealer - so I had the problem of a car failing an MOT but needed to be taken to London - all agro I could do without. A tray protecting the suspension was damaged - £1900 and 4 weeks to get the part from the USA - Honda have most parts in Belgium - but not all - the annual service £1,000 I have done 18,000 miles and it has been very very reliable ( aside from that front indicator - the suspension issue was my fault ) - but its dancing its swan song along with all other ICE and hybrid cars - electric will have its day and the NSX won't be in the rarefied air of being a collectors/investment piece - with current production problems and its recent discountenance prices may rise a bit in the short term but the gravity of what is coming will bring prices down of almost all ICE cars - heavily
The price was too high for a Honda. They should have made it within the C8 price range and let it appreciate on its own
I think at an MSRP of $120k US, these would have found a wider audience. No fucking way I would by a base C8 for that price. It should sit a bit above the Lexus LC500, but discounted for its cheaper interior than the Lexus.
@@christschool I think 80-120 would have been a good price. They overstretched it
@@kenarts11 I think the NSX badge was worth a certain premium but it seems Honda/Acura has given up on the high end market. What is the next most expensive car to the NSX in their line up?
@@christschool the SUV Honda Pilot is below 40,000 and it’s one of their best cars
@@kenarts11 There you go. They have given up on the high end. You can't go from $40k to $160-$180k. The last Lexus I bought in 2019 was $125k and the next cheapest below that was $106k. Acura/Honda, continues to deteriorate. I've owned 5 Hondas, but the last one was in 1992. Peak Honda in my opinion was 1988.
Such a great looking car, especially in the metallic orange. The 1st NSX was a game changer and forced Ferrari to improve its cars. It had a fabulous engine and superb handling. It just lacked the drama of Italian sports cars. This one is similar. A tour de force mechanically but without the excitement that you want when spending all that cash..never mind the falling of a cliff depreciation. But if you had spare bucks under the mattress this car would be a cool addition to any garage. Very under the radar. James seems to like it.
Lovely bit of driving in the intro, James.
The cyclist would disagree. 😳
Has too much of a generic supercar look. Conservative styling on a family car is fine, it's not fine on a supercar though. There are two ways to produce a performance car. You can go down the agressive route with bags of road presence, race car look, or you can go down the sexy, stylish, beautiful route. These second Gen NSX's are neither. If it's 'special' make it look special. The other side of it, is the horsepower wars. Porsche got 690hp from a twin turbo flat six. Acura (Honda) with THREE electric motors and a twin turbo V6 got 570hp. The Nismo R35 GTR are 600hp with a twin turbo V6. These three electric motors on the NSX add a lot of weight and cost, yet are they even needed? Especially when you can barely use it in full EV mode. Now, imagine if Acura (Honda) made this car RWD without any electric motors (so 500hp instead of 570hp), 7 speed instead of 9 speed and made the MSRP significantly less than when they first came out. They would have sold loads more!
Kind of the same thing as the i8. All the hybrid system adding complexity for what? For an increase in price. In reality, the "futuristic" technology wasn't enough to attract buyers.
@@Ruben98RaptoR You are right but that's the best thing - it's totally unloved, overpriced, too complex and therefore will be rare as hen's teeth and worth a lot in 40 years like a E26 M1 is now!!
@@paulthorpe766 plz dont compare i8 to the M1. They stole the M1 homage design for the i8 instead of building a real mid engined supercar with the s85. i8 isn't great at anything, M1 was designed by Lambo, has racing heritage and was damn fast in its time.
@@papa_pt I have 1979 E26 and a 2019 I8 Roadster and they are very similar tbh. Both were unloved. Lamborghini and Dallara made a total hash of the work and BMW lost interest when it was dumped back on them. The fibre glass body is pretty poor too and the 370bhp engine is a bit languid and bettered by Porsches offerings tbh. Having said that I love it. Bauer did their best to screw the cars together, but the cabin creaks and electrics are woeful. The i8 Roadster is a masterful bit of work by comparison imho. I stand by my prediction as such.
@@paulthorpe766 I see what you're saying, but disagree that's what'll happen. There's nothing pure or notable about the i8 driving experience in stark contrast to the M1. It's a sporty car with great gas mileage. The M88 /S38 is incredible but tbf the one I drive was in an e34 M5. Porsche didn't really have a lot of competitive N/A offerings with that much power at the time
After watching more. It made sense why it's so pricey. The engine and gearbox are totally bespoke... that's RARE these days. I like that 👌 this isn't gonna be in the garage getting fixed anytime soon
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The NSX does offer way more reliability and daily driving comfort than the competition but I'd still be worried about replacing the hybrid motors if you actually do plan on putting more than 100k miles on it
I had the glorious opportunity to sit in the drivers seat, turn it on and rev one in Japan last year(just before the storm happened). The sad bit is there's only 9 of them in Australia with no more to follow since last year and they cost $420,000au which who knows if I will ever even see one again
There's no link between me and the break pedal? Good video, thanks.
The problem for this car is purely and simply.. The Audi R8. Same type of B list badging (for those that aren't bothered by this), same kind of reliability levels, same supercar theatrics, same type of looks (modern), but with a better NA engine and simply more drama as a result AND far better residuals / ability to sell on.
I agree with you on nearly everything except reliability. Good reliability for VAG and BMW is a fallacy, they seem to go wrong a lot.
@@darcycuttlefish3981 well idk about that I've heard nothing bad about the V10s themselves, they seem to be holding up great, both in the R8s and the Huracans
Although body styling is purely subjective I think the R8 looks like all Audi Sedans. It's a fat Audi sedan with 2 doors and a wing. Besides R8's are a dime a dozen no one cares if you have one. Just park it at any cars and coffee next to the rows of 720S, Huracans, 570S and 488 and watch people just walk right on by like it was some shit box leaking oil in a Walmart parking lot of the west side of town LOL.
Outstanding review James made me feel like I was driving the car. Always felt this car was a masterpiece well done ,well done 🚘🤙
Good roads you found there - up near the old Gartshore Estate.
I painted the black top silver to match the body on my first Gen 3.0l 5 sp NSX and went to 16” and 17” slightly wider spoked rims and lower profile tires. It changed the appearance from Japanese to Italian. Very few people had a clue to,what it was. But the 3.2l 6 sp was an improvement with a bigger motor and an extra gear, both of which it needed. But then development ceased, other than some minor changes. It was soon short the horsepower, it never found. The 2nd gen tried to be a Japanese 959 and instead was more like a mini 928. Weird power delivery, handling by a computer, always one step behind. And the don’t forget the styling. It says I’m on my way to a power lunch at Applebees. But mine was dependable as a Honda, sounded great in the cabin and had a 5,000-8,000 rpm fun zone. Mine had over 100k miles, but 250-300k miles without problems other than normal maintenance belts, pumps, clutches, which is usually done at the first sign of a water pump leak. I hope the last Gen holds up as well. We’ll know in a few years.
Curiously, watching this video gave me a sense of deja-vu. Then I went backed and watched your video for the BMW i8. Many (but not all) of the criticisms were common. Does this suggest a theme for current hybrid "supercars"?
That's an intresting question, I wonder what this will mean for the upcoming Corvette E-Ray?
Seems like a rare example of automotive over-engineering that actually delivers on the road, but alas not so in sales. A truly special thing to bump into in the UK!
The styling and Accord-esque interior really put me off for what it cost.
The handling is questionable at the limit. This is a for looks and straight line car.
Hey James. It's off topic, but I tried the new Civic with the new CVT unit they made. It felt nothing like older CVTs I knew before. It felt really direct. I know you hate CVT, but you must give it a try. It has come a loooong way. I think you would agree.
Very very nice JayEmm 👍🏽
I've always shared your feeling these were underappreciated. The styling was a little too reserved perhaps for such a monumental work of engineering, taking cues from the 8th and 9th generation Civic and Accord in its nose configuration seems like playing it safe. There needed to be more bravado to telegraph its mechanical capabilities to would-be buyers and observers. As it stands, Honda did what they always do. They built something that executes its role clinically and reliably. I have no fear in suggesting that of all the potential supercar candidates, the NSX is least likely to let you down. It's possibly not as fast as it should have been, but then Honda always stated even going back to the 1st generation one, that the NSX should be a Supercar you can live with every day. Fundamentally, at this level of spend, people look to the heart more than the head, because if the head were in charge they wouldn't be splashing nearly the price of a house on a car. Because of that, to succeed, Honda needed to engage the masses who don't understand and don't want to understand the wonder of the vast array of technical ingenuity they leveraged to make the NSX, but didn't because the things that make the NSX special are not as important to people who want a loud, ostentatious penis extension to arrive at parties in, or to leave on the driveway to reassure all eyes that land upon thier residence that they really, really have made it, I promise. Regrettably, I fear the light will dawn too soon to save the NSX, and I suspect this incarnation of the NSX and its lack of sales numbers mean we're unlikely to see another any time soon. Shame really.
So sad, I'm going to cry.
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I think it’s for the best. Honda has proven itself twice to the automotive world that it can make a car that is superior in some aspects to what the usual exotic brands offer. The NSX has run its course, and it did well.
The fun part is that that Honda likely has more bespoke parts than "real" supercars, certainly more than Lamborghini.
he fun part is you think it matters
@@jaroslavzaruba2765 if you plan to own one, bespoke parts really really do matter. They are EXTREMELY costly to repair or replace.
@@nobodynoone2500 imagine implying that lambo is gonna be half as reliable in the long term as this nsx.
I remember the time right before the Holy Trinity released and TopGear was talking about Honda also working on a the Hybrid super car.. Greet times
2024 here. I can find ONE for Sale in europe, at €229K. The "similar" Porsche 918 goes for $1.6M now, but is it even close? I might like one for a bit of a project. Swap the drivetrain, basically, get it really efficient and powerful. As with all dream projects, I'd start with the 600 hp Koenigsegg 3-cyl that's just 70 or 75 kg. Peppy batteries, motors and controllers are quite accessible over the counter nowadays. Matching 918's power, power balance ICE/hybrid, and even overall weight, might be possible. Especially when resisting the temptation to go plug-in hybrid, or when making the plug really slow.
This car may pack all the high-tech on the planet, and perform like a beast, but its missing that secret sauce the old first-generation NSX had. Pure style, and CHARACTER. There will never be another like the original NSX. It was lightning in a bottle, and while props to Honda for trying to recreate it, they should have just called it something else, and not try to piggyback of the original's reputation. There is a reason this car depreciated so much and the first gen just keeps rising in value.
It's funny you say that because people who reviewed the original NSX when it came out were very lukewarm about it. I don't know if Clarkson's review is still up on KZhead but it's worth a watch if it is.
Absolutely amazing machine and the values are actually shooting up now with the 22 being the last year for the Second Generation NSX. Alot of people complaining about the car live in their mom's basement. Some NA1 and NA2 owners whining cause the car is expensive. Believe me if it was priced at 100k they would have bought one. This is a dream machine and Honda nailed it. Well done. Cant wait to see Gen 3 NSX.
I absolutely agree with this. Those of us that actually own one love the hate. I'm going to ride it to the bank!!
I was agreeing with you until the childish "live in their moms basement" bit, that just made you sound like a clown. Just because someone else doesn't like it, doesn't mean they live with their mother. That's just a nonsensical thing to say. Not everyone has to like the same cars, that's the glory of having different manufacterers. I like the new NSX personally, but then I hate the new Supra. I know people that like it, and that's fine. They are wrong obviously, but its ok to be wrong.
Interesting. Here in the us you could not find any in dealerships and when u did they were sold for way above list price. Also currently 2017 nsx are sold at higher than list price of 2021. It is a Great super car period!
Jay, would be awesome if you could get your hands on a NSX type S. Would love to see that review.
Great video as always sir 👍 but the car does absolutely nothing for me. It has nothing that stands out as "wow! I need that", like a soulful engine, head turning looks, or a special interior, it's all very bland and generic. I'm sure it drives amazingly well, but what supercar/sportscar/hot hatch doesn't these days? A supercar needs more than that.
Shame they didn't ignore the "New Car Experimental" part and just build an updated NSX without all the hybrid gear of this one, so it's more like the GT racecars, which are RWD only. Would probably come in under 1500kg and be the car that everyone wanted.
I'd have bought one that didn't weight a ton.
They did build an NC1 without the hybrid system, it's RWD and has a 6spd sequential. It's called the Evo GT3 and you can buy one for $600K directly from Honda Performance Development LOL.
Heading straight to Autotrader now.. Thanks for another great video.
Hi Jay, what stretch of road was this? Looks familiar
The simple fact of these is they have nothing desirable about them. Atleast a similar price audi r8 was essentially a cheaper lamborghini. The V6 engine is also not exotic enough for a supercar.
its otherway, Lambos are pricier Audis nowdays.
@SK SK they have to go V6 route because of regulations and rules and penalties if they don't, not because they want or think it will improve their cars, if ferrari thought V6 was a way to go they would have built a new Dino 15 years ago and McLaren is all about lightness and performance and they chose the V8 so that says it all i think; i think this car is somewhere betwenn ok and good in the looks department and performance is excellent but the interior is crap; if they offered this car with a manual and a V8 and did a short promo video with an F1 driver like they did with Senna for the 1st gen they could not make them fast enoght as they would be selling them, or if they go the V6 hybrid road and price the car at max 130k they would have sold a lot more, probably in the low 1k - 2k
also this is a Japanese car, they should have offered some limited production version with a massive wing, wheel arches and the other stuff, they should have gone fast and furious on the car
and on top of that you would have to be hit in the head with a massive hammer to buy this over the new vette in terms of what you get for you money
lacks flair though....that is the problem. They must try some italian style design to combine with the quite interesting hybrid set up.
Same here... I mean, it IS beautiful, absolutely, but it doesn't throw me into a fever. It isn't as sexy as italian supercars and it isn't as powerful as them, also heavier than some Ferrari or Lotus, furthermore it has a less desirable badge. It isn't the best car by any measurement, especially for this price. So, it is high tech, and it has Honda reliability, but it brings nothing else to the table. Good or not, people don't really want an NSX, and those who want it simply can't afford it, they are mostly not the audience for this price range. End of the story.
@@staLkerhu Ι agree
Great Review
great review
Interesting though rather a sad video. My experience of the NSX. At the tail end of '18, I contacted Honda, Madrid enquiring where in Spain I could buy a new, facelifted NSX. I got a reply in February explaining the NSX wasn't marketed in Spain and pointing me to Germany, France etc where they were available. However, Madrid cautioned me that there were no qualified mechanics in Spain to service the car. Perhaps this is why so few were sold. Checking the Europe wide car sales sites I've noticed that each and every NSX on sale as a " new " car is of the pre-facelift variety. Meaning they have been languishing in showrooms for 3 plus years! If Honda were to remove all the hybrid gubbins and strap in a twin-turbo V8 they'd have a Ferrari beater as the overall design of the car is spot on!
Doesn't need a TT V8. With just a JB4 and down pipes the NSX will be around 700hp. Not to mention all status brand car companies are moving to V6TT hybrid platforms now like the NSX. No more V12, V10 or V8's. Evolving batteries will even have more powerful and faster cars probably going I4 Turbo/Hybrid
the original nsx was a supercar competitior for a fraction of the price. this 'new' one is not, the c8 vette is a better nsx than the nsx in this current market
nsx bran new in 90s: 50-70k diablo brand new in 90s: 200k
Considering the only similar cars that the new NSX is supposed to be are the hybrid supercars like the 918 and these hybrid supercars usually costs 10 times more for the technology you’re getting, it’s a bargain. This is the same with the original NSX, people seem to unfairly compare this to the NSX-R and forgetting the original NSX’s purpose.. the original is suppose to be w technological marvel, using new technologies from expesive supercars and lessen the price. The new NSX is suppose to give those same effects with the much more expensive hybrid supercars.
Had a ride in one once. Loved it.