"Well the drift car owner might be broke"💀💀💀💀💀💀 bro violated the drift car owners
@reddragon6531 Жыл бұрын
Knows from experience 😅
@FitmentIndustries Жыл бұрын
Lol
@reddragon6531 Жыл бұрын
cant exactly say hes wrong😅
@Anthony-dk3us Жыл бұрын
that killed me xD
@filthylunatic5859 ай бұрын
That shit cost a lot more than you think. 10k budget can easily get to the 50k range. Even seen a dude start a 20k budget ended up with over 70k into the car lol and it wasn’t even a professional drift car. It was street car😂
@londonwiggins4418 ай бұрын
This just makes me appreciate more of the 90's Japanese guys who were in a mountain just drifting without these complex suspension system
@patrickstarfish420 Жыл бұрын
Suspension and suspension tuning has been around since the beginning of cars, definitely in the 90s😂. Race cars have almost always had either positive or negative camber (positive in 20s-50s cars)
@ackemannen2 Жыл бұрын
@@ackemannen2 yeah plus it’s japan they definitely knew of literally everything for a car let’s be honest
@oni5909 Жыл бұрын
You will never understand unless you were there. Watch all the Initial D and documentaries you want
@e46m54nissansr20937 Жыл бұрын
@@e46m54nissansr20937 There's a lot of drift Japanese vids white boy
@aftrnoon_ac Жыл бұрын
@@oni5909 Let’s be honest? I’m a jdm guy but really bro? They definitely didn’t know everything.
@juc3eoncs32 Жыл бұрын
That powdercoated steering knuckle makes me want to paint every part of my suspension.
@putrid2529 Жыл бұрын
Haha did that years ago on the summer car. Still looks great!
@MrTheHillfolk Жыл бұрын
@@MrTheHillfolk what products did you use? I was thinking VHT gloss or matte black
@putrid2529 Жыл бұрын
@@putrid2529 heh ,it was quite a process to get something to last. 2 coats por-15. A coat of por-15 tie coat primer. 2 coats of brush on Rust-Oleum. Wet sand that. Spray on 2 coats of Rust-Oleum. Find a color that comes in spray and brush on. If the spray gets a chip, there's the same color under it. It's a summer car, but I did it in 2012 and don't see any rust popping thru. I did mine in red and silver accents.
@MrTheHillfolk Жыл бұрын
@@MrTheHillfolk thanks for the detail 👍👍👍!
@putrid2529 Жыл бұрын
Felt this 💯
@FitmentIndustries Жыл бұрын
It’s also set differently depending on the track and how banked the corners are. Good explanation 👍🏿
@DriftLibrary Жыл бұрын
KZhead short that actually explain what or how it works , immediate subs already
@nezunish-898 Жыл бұрын
The key being that people don’t change the rake angle of their steering. Which you can also do, which will prevent further positive camber at extreme angles. Two different ways to handle the situation
@nanathannvw Жыл бұрын
Which I’ll add, changing the rake can affect the “return to 0 position” of the steering if it is completely straightened
@nanathannvw Жыл бұрын
I have wondered about this every time a game and all the games doesn't explain this as good thank man
@god_at_war3189 Жыл бұрын
This is a good explanation for those not in the know, similarly in most FWD or 4WD cars built for track, you'll see around 0 to about -5 degrees of negative camber in the front to maximise front grip. But unfortunately so many young people just focus on drift, and even then don't bother understanding suspension geometry or suspension tuning. It really does make me cringe sometimes. Once I asked my students if they understood what camber was, a students hand bolted up and they proudly announced "JDM". Which killed me a little inside. JDM has to be a word thanks to social media and the internet that has lost all meaning.
@raybun4003 Жыл бұрын
Out of habit , I negatively cambered my cars in NFS Payback and found surprising results with my drifts
@thelaw11 Жыл бұрын
This guy has taught me more when it comes to cars than my Home and Auto teacher in high school, and my dad.
@TheJ-Blade Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@cajentertainment2516 Жыл бұрын
Dude, I literally have thought it looked so goofy for so long, had plenty of friends growing up who were into cars and not a single person told me this, I always just got “cause it looks sick” lmao
@brittabadie1512 Жыл бұрын
That's because most car guys don't know a thing, they just car about looks and visuals and social media, they don't know a thing about actual tuning and modification, since that requires picking up a book and learning. It's frustrating, as a teacher of motor vehicle theory myself, most students are more interested in talking about cool stance than learning about how to actually improve handling.
@raybun4003 Жыл бұрын
@@raybun4003 speak for yourself, you know kids with too much money. Anyone I know that wrenches on a car doesn’t do it for looks, it’s about capabilities. Some folks just want a certain look, you usually don’t see them driving where handling would matter much they’re just riding in style. Stanced cars are rarely fast, they bottom out on too many things ok the road. Stretched tires are stupid and excessive negative camber to tuck wheels is like you say purely cosmetic. Reduced grip and tires that blow out or shred themselves on poorly rolled fenders are a pretty cruel teacher that clearly they’re not doing more than cruising. Not one car in this vid is setup like that though at least these guys drive their car. Whether straight line or around turns if you drive your car “because it looks cool” won’t come up when asked why. You be laughed at by too many people
@dirtyaznstyle4156 Жыл бұрын
at least now I know there's a reason for this. quite interesting to learn
@chriscarpenter3370 Жыл бұрын
Damn, i did not know this, that’s cool!
@StavrosSingleton Жыл бұрын
Same lmao I learn more from yt than class
@davidwichner2018 Жыл бұрын
Me neither lol
@crackheadsanta7222 Жыл бұрын
Had to learn this at a young age because of all the douchebags in my hood. For a while it was "camber gang" for the ricers lol.
@Angel-yp6nl Жыл бұрын
Zeal function d's with front spacers and -3 degrees camber is what i used with my open diff 🤣
@ex35240sx Жыл бұрын
I love seeing my local tracks and the homies in this!
@kornkultrc Жыл бұрын
You know, I always thought it was to make more angle. This makes a lot more sense I needed this.
@thecarguyninja1255 Жыл бұрын
I like this.... Do one one toe in vs toe out on both rear and front wheels
@lgndryre7917 Жыл бұрын
Negative camber also gives more grip in turns, by changing the angle of the wheelbase it makes a flatter plane when the car is under sideways inertia in a turn.
@Bonkers-yl2jd Жыл бұрын
They're not damaged, they're intentionally broken. It's a race car mom I have to wear my tires unevenly!
@AiOinc1 Жыл бұрын
Best explanation I've heard of it to date. Super informative. What song is in the background tho?
@jamesongeerts628 Жыл бұрын
Very well explained. I finally learned something today. Thank you.
@notsure7554 Жыл бұрын
I learned something new today
@tiashadrows3469 Жыл бұрын
the natural positive canber when countersteering is because of caster
@benbryant2732 Жыл бұрын
yep it makes the wheel straighter vertically during a drift when it's most needed
@dusannestorovic5699 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaining this to me in language I can understand
@robdajuiceman1328 Жыл бұрын
Time to make a valid drift build in forza
@choppa6506 Жыл бұрын
And the camber change is directly related to how much caster they run and upper and lower ball joint correlation.
@freyja4954 Жыл бұрын
I have always wondered this, great explanation.
@EpiDot52 Жыл бұрын
Simply put, it makes the front end very unstable to an untrained driver. To a trained driver its what they need to get the back end out.
@SeahamV2 Жыл бұрын
How does it make the front end unstable?? As long as your running reasonable degree of negative camber and not cambergang amounts. It’s still stable and easily controllable and then it’s not necessary to get the back end out and lose traction?
@roguevisionzz9302 Жыл бұрын
It makes the front end grip better in corners, in FWD track car, you NEED negative camber to fight tire rollover and maximise your contact patch during cornering, it's often said a good alignment factoring in these things can completely change the handling characteristics of a car.
@raybun4003 Жыл бұрын
Great Shorts!
@TechPandaa Жыл бұрын
Respect for making for a tips tuned drift cars this video 👏😎
@imdumbforthings Жыл бұрын
Thanks for clearing this up! Seriously, always wondered. Also, why do street/drift car tires often have rims/wheels that project farther out than the sidewall of the tire?
@CalMariner Жыл бұрын
Aesthetics
@FitmentIndustries Жыл бұрын
I run 8 degrees on my mustang 😅 I don’t need all of it but it fits the wheels well haha
@NutttyCompany Жыл бұрын
There are non drifters who do this to their daily driver. Knowing it’ll be an uncomfortable and lose traction in the rain going 60. Witnessed this happen haha
@classicv8dude268 Жыл бұрын
Love the USAIR content😍
@doc5061 Жыл бұрын
The more i learn, this is so cool
@_.its.gabriel07 Жыл бұрын
Does this change how the car functions outside of drifting? Like launch or handling?
@prestonp.7094 Жыл бұрын
Doesn’t affect launches much because the rear tires still have the same amount of grip. I’m not sure about handling but I can say that it impacts tire life as the only usable part is the egde of the tire.
@thejoshuaarzu3159 Жыл бұрын
@@thejoshuaarzu3159 it does affect handling if you go down a windy hill with a cambered car don’t argue it’s gonna be a little more difficult than a stock suspension car
@toxicity6629 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes it'll make a car slightly slower going straight. Most drag cars run either very little camber or 0
@StinkHatch5318 Жыл бұрын
For handling very very slight camber is good, more contact on hard turns. For the most part, leaving the wheels "neutral" is the best option all around. Example- f1 cars have a slight amount of camber if you look closely.
@trashbandit2449 Жыл бұрын
Increases straight line braking distance. You can reduce the need for as much negative camber by not relying on Caster for steering stability. Counter steering is the enemy of speed.
@DericCribbs Жыл бұрын
The M3 E46 though ♥️ 😳
@confusinggameplays1687 Жыл бұрын
Ayee us air speedway!! Been going there for two years!! Did miss a single drift event last year!
@gibbydotexe9223 Жыл бұрын
That actually makes sense
@WhiteoutMonster Жыл бұрын
You'd think they'd invent something by now that can be adjusted to keep 100% contact all the time.
@Enforcer_WJDE Жыл бұрын
Maybe, but I think the amount of moving parts needed would be ridiculously complicated and definitely less reliable. If something fails or breaks while you're going 60mph, lord have mercy
@leto1596 Жыл бұрын
@@leto1596 Way less than a full adjustable damper. Mercedes had that tech for decades already where you could see how the wheels tilted ro adult the contact patch. Iirc it's about kingpin inclination.
@Enforcer_WJDE Жыл бұрын
The drift stance is also very aesthetic it's often combined with a slightly lifted front end. ngl that kind of setup looks wild on the track 🔥
@alouisschafer7212 Жыл бұрын
Higher front end helps transfer the weight to the rear, which allows the rear tires to be pushed down with more weight allowing the vehicle to "slingshot forward" rather sliding out. If they need to slide out, left foot braking is used, basically a high speed burnout.
@davidhjelmeland8626 Жыл бұрын
Wait till people find out this has been used in grip racing for decades lol
@streetfighter4006 Жыл бұрын
Grip cars won't be counter steering during peak loads and don't use as much camber. This allows greater front grip during deceleration at the end of straights. If you're fast you won't be counter steering very much(a few degrees when you overdrive) and thus adding all that positive camber at the exact time you don't want it. This only applies to looking fast not being fast. You could probably make faster laps casually cornering at speeds just before the tire makes noise, than you can at opposite lock.
@DericCribbs Жыл бұрын
@@DericCribbsthey do run massive camber in qualifying if they can v8 supercars had to limit how much because they were having tire blowouts running -8° they run less in the race for better tire wear
@abatperson Жыл бұрын
Yes, it's crazy to me how many "car guys" and "drift guys" don't understand the absolute basics of suspension tuning, like yes, you can find books from the 60s explaining the benefits of negative camber, a slightly lower ride height, slight toe out, stiffer springs, and anti roll bar when building a car for racing. But these people don't want to read or actually learn.
@raybun4003 Жыл бұрын
Yupp, you want the leading tire to be flat or nearly flat at full lock.
@lucky7s94 Жыл бұрын
Never knew it🤯. Always thought that’s some kind of fad
@rajasimanta Жыл бұрын
Same concept in F1 too, for the exact same reason, more contact patch when cornering, more grip.
@ameraafis4546 Жыл бұрын
Partially. The difference is that F1 cars typically use less than 1 degree of camber. Not 10 or 20 degrees like these "drift kings" think they need.
@Crazy___Ginger Жыл бұрын
you see more of it gaining positive camber through turns on grip cars
@spar8334 Жыл бұрын
Sick
@moustachio5459 Жыл бұрын
Wow, this made me sub ya
@sanskarkumar464 Жыл бұрын
🤘🤘🤘
@FitmentIndustries Жыл бұрын
was that us air? I recognize that black fc, with those 5 spoke rims, he has been going there for so long lol
@lowkeydiegoduran4724 Жыл бұрын
Same for race it's just never gonna be something crazy
@elitebeast7154 Жыл бұрын
That body swapped silvia was dope AF
@nboccanfuso Жыл бұрын
Rocket bunny kit
@Ungovernable_Schizo Жыл бұрын
Never thought it was broken but that did i not know.
@sebastianlehto2096 Жыл бұрын
that red z31 tho
@isaiahwyant3479 Жыл бұрын
Yeah? Me seeing a 07 Rav4 all 4 wheels have different amount of camber on all of them. You can hear the grind too. That Rav4 parked behind "my" 07 Rav4.
@yanglue611 Жыл бұрын
The negative camber doesn't really help much help if the car is super low and stiff and can't roll. Negative camber is for when body roll forces the tire to camber positive. Imagine a lowered car with negative camber spinning out- one side would have to have wheels off of the ground for the other side's tires to actually flatten out on the road
@devonlambert9131 Жыл бұрын
No, in this case, it's to counteract the effects of caster angle. Winding on the lock causes positive camber. The negative camber cancels this out. Did you not understand the video?
@RacingAnt Жыл бұрын
Thanks now I know my wrangler is not broken but in drift mode
@pdfbro5118 Жыл бұрын
😅😅😅
@FitmentIndustries Жыл бұрын
that 300zx gawd dam
@frielux Жыл бұрын
Today I learned something valuable
@bringsocietytogether Жыл бұрын
As a pro gamer drifter it's cuz grip and how much troqe you got and when sliding it helps control the car
@x9_Crazy Жыл бұрын
Also negative camber improves turn in
@ace_nano Жыл бұрын
Positive camber in the rear negative in the front 🫡
@drejohnson2106 Жыл бұрын
low negative camber on rear, 2-2.5° is probably optimal
@losertoast2155 Жыл бұрын
@LoserToast Hate to break it to ya, no camber rear is best. Infact you'd want toe in and a smidge of positive camber instead.
@kenthang3729 Жыл бұрын
“You ever stepped on a Hot Wheels car?”😅
@Gunshotglory Жыл бұрын
Just remember kids. Just because the car has camber doesn't mean it drifts and there is such a thing as too much.
@dreadnoughtprime6301 Жыл бұрын
TLDR: if you look at drift car tires that aren't like this the "outside" half of the tire gets worn down a lot quicker, this counters that kinda
@retrogotgamez Жыл бұрын
I figured this out so long ago in video games.
@Worldopain Жыл бұрын
This Chanel has taught me many things Also the owner being broke😢y’all did not need to roast us LOL
@thamararodriguez9986 Жыл бұрын
Bigger contact pach ≠ more grip. A contact pace of 1m and 1mm produce the same friction wherefore grip, all else being equal. Tyres aren't designed to operate at an angle, especially softer compounds as the side walls are weaker, so camber is required to keep them upright when grip is a limiting factor i.e. cornering
@jonathanamadio-heal494 Жыл бұрын
Small contact patch = instant overheating of the contact patch, equals zero grip. So, size of contact patch DOES affect grip, but not in the way most people understand.
@RacingAnt Жыл бұрын
Its when you see a drift car on full steering lock. Now that definitely looks broken if you don't know what your looking at.
@sniffmatip3865 Жыл бұрын
Ive had quite a Few People ask why my Mustang has Negative Camber and trying to explain it all the Time gets annoying so Ill just show them this Video
@deltasixgaming Жыл бұрын
Hu. I dident think an angled wheel actually had a use.. thats kinda cool
@lord_nothng0250 Жыл бұрын
I agree that doing this to gain more performance for drifting. What i can not stand is people doing this camber to their cars and NEVER intend to drift it, like ever. They do it for looks so they can be a poser at car meets.
@Al13n1nV8D3R Жыл бұрын
“The owner is broke”💀
@Albo2009 Жыл бұрын
We know from experience 😅
@FitmentIndustries Жыл бұрын
Only commoners would think that the suspensionwas broken.
@stancedmonkeys4lter3d48 Жыл бұрын
Very cool and all, but what is that phonk song that i somehow haven’t heard?
@bluefish9283 Жыл бұрын
Trash. And not real phonk
@perspectivemedia7142 Жыл бұрын
@@perspectivemedia7142 Thats a tight perspective
@bluefish9283 Жыл бұрын
cambers don't really matter too much as long as you know how to drift properly you can probably control any mess up but that's my opinion atleast.
@KilIua. Жыл бұрын
It cancels out the caster angle
@Riley_Christian Жыл бұрын
BMW had cars in the 80s that did this without that.
@patrickdavis9566 Жыл бұрын
I've raced at the track in this video 😎
@gokartsrock1354 Жыл бұрын
Can't wait to go to shawano this summer!!!
@alexm9078 Жыл бұрын
Now, teach the kids today that this is not for everyday drivers
@-MightyMouse- Жыл бұрын
I can confirm the owner is Brooke
@toniomiceli7189 Жыл бұрын
Camber gang done with actual purpose.
@wereboarder2009 Жыл бұрын
Its hard to make equal camber
@humanthehuman9900 Жыл бұрын
Is this an Eletor video in the background?
@jus__gra Жыл бұрын
Why and how does the front wheels gain camber? I've seen some cars from the factory do that, like Mercedes Benz.. yet many cars don't make camber as they turn. I'd really like to throughly explained to me logically as to what parts make camber happen when turning.
@rx7racing574 Жыл бұрын
Caster is camber change during turning... this guy is not explaining it correctly
@bingysbackyard Жыл бұрын
I’ve seen someone run negative camber, don’t know why, they just did
@SynFuZe Жыл бұрын
It makes me giggle whenever I see a ford fiesta or VW polo with full negative camber...🤣🤣🤣🤣🙈
@Grover91 Жыл бұрын
Wait wait there are people that don't know this ? 🤣
@xx_dominator_xx5815 Жыл бұрын
Most "car guys"
@raybun4003 Жыл бұрын
@@raybun4003 not true my man's evan old heads now what camber is. Just crazy to think how uncommon commen sense is nowadays 🤣
@xx_dominator_xx5815 Жыл бұрын
I couldnt say it better my self😂😂😂
@xxjacobi Жыл бұрын
Owner might be broke🤣🤣🤣
@asadsankar589 Жыл бұрын
Key words "front tires" "drift car" I really wish the trend of stancing cars would pass forever.
@gatorb8 Жыл бұрын
And it also looks cool :)
@Qushi451 Жыл бұрын
I like drifting
@anguismemes1666 Жыл бұрын
Or a fence .. xD
@laistab1916 Жыл бұрын
Nissan Z31 let's gooo
@maartenvollebregt9819 Жыл бұрын
You say that it keeps you out of walls and fences, that's all well and good.... But does it keep you out of trees? If that's the case then I shall invest.
@SuperIosGamer Жыл бұрын
I mean ,all pills are a win in life ahaha
@alexking1643 Жыл бұрын
The car's owner might be broke 😂😭
@waniliodass9480 Жыл бұрын
Z31 ftw
@codeyjoseph2051 Жыл бұрын
SEE guys it’s for PERFORMANCE. Your bagged Lexus LS does NOT need any camber!!!!
@THESLlCK Жыл бұрын
That shows how little you understand about suspension geometry, in most applications, having negative camber about up to -5 degrees improves turn in and maximises the contact patch during cornering. As someone who actually has a degree in motorsports engineering, it pisses me off when tik tok kids don't understand things but are so confident in what they say, go read a book like how to make a car handle by fred puhn, it's an excellent book if you actually want to learn about suspension tuning. You can make any car handle well if you understand suspension tuning so long as there is an aftermarket or someone to fabricate the parts you need. But you are right in that pneumatic suspension really isn't for performance, they're often using that camber to ensure proper fitment of their wheels since they've ruined their suspension by lowering the car too much, the roll center is definitely screwed but those type of people don't know, understand, or care.
"Well the drift car owner might be broke"💀💀💀💀💀💀 bro violated the drift car owners
Knows from experience 😅
Lol
cant exactly say hes wrong😅
that killed me xD
That shit cost a lot more than you think. 10k budget can easily get to the 50k range. Even seen a dude start a 20k budget ended up with over 70k into the car lol and it wasn’t even a professional drift car. It was street car😂
This just makes me appreciate more of the 90's Japanese guys who were in a mountain just drifting without these complex suspension system
Suspension and suspension tuning has been around since the beginning of cars, definitely in the 90s😂. Race cars have almost always had either positive or negative camber (positive in 20s-50s cars)
@@ackemannen2 yeah plus it’s japan they definitely knew of literally everything for a car let’s be honest
You will never understand unless you were there. Watch all the Initial D and documentaries you want
@@e46m54nissansr20937 There's a lot of drift Japanese vids white boy
@@oni5909 Let’s be honest? I’m a jdm guy but really bro? They definitely didn’t know everything.
That powdercoated steering knuckle makes me want to paint every part of my suspension.
Haha did that years ago on the summer car. Still looks great!
@@MrTheHillfolk what products did you use? I was thinking VHT gloss or matte black
@@putrid2529 heh ,it was quite a process to get something to last. 2 coats por-15. A coat of por-15 tie coat primer. 2 coats of brush on Rust-Oleum. Wet sand that. Spray on 2 coats of Rust-Oleum. Find a color that comes in spray and brush on. If the spray gets a chip, there's the same color under it. It's a summer car, but I did it in 2012 and don't see any rust popping thru. I did mine in red and silver accents.
@@MrTheHillfolk thanks for the detail 👍👍👍!
Felt this 💯
It’s also set differently depending on the track and how banked the corners are. Good explanation 👍🏿
KZhead short that actually explain what or how it works , immediate subs already
The key being that people don’t change the rake angle of their steering. Which you can also do, which will prevent further positive camber at extreme angles. Two different ways to handle the situation
Which I’ll add, changing the rake can affect the “return to 0 position” of the steering if it is completely straightened
I have wondered about this every time a game and all the games doesn't explain this as good thank man
This is a good explanation for those not in the know, similarly in most FWD or 4WD cars built for track, you'll see around 0 to about -5 degrees of negative camber in the front to maximise front grip. But unfortunately so many young people just focus on drift, and even then don't bother understanding suspension geometry or suspension tuning. It really does make me cringe sometimes. Once I asked my students if they understood what camber was, a students hand bolted up and they proudly announced "JDM". Which killed me a little inside. JDM has to be a word thanks to social media and the internet that has lost all meaning.
Out of habit , I negatively cambered my cars in NFS Payback and found surprising results with my drifts
This guy has taught me more when it comes to cars than my Home and Auto teacher in high school, and my dad.
🤣🤣🤣
Dude, I literally have thought it looked so goofy for so long, had plenty of friends growing up who were into cars and not a single person told me this, I always just got “cause it looks sick” lmao
That's because most car guys don't know a thing, they just car about looks and visuals and social media, they don't know a thing about actual tuning and modification, since that requires picking up a book and learning. It's frustrating, as a teacher of motor vehicle theory myself, most students are more interested in talking about cool stance than learning about how to actually improve handling.
@@raybun4003 speak for yourself, you know kids with too much money. Anyone I know that wrenches on a car doesn’t do it for looks, it’s about capabilities. Some folks just want a certain look, you usually don’t see them driving where handling would matter much they’re just riding in style. Stanced cars are rarely fast, they bottom out on too many things ok the road. Stretched tires are stupid and excessive negative camber to tuck wheels is like you say purely cosmetic. Reduced grip and tires that blow out or shred themselves on poorly rolled fenders are a pretty cruel teacher that clearly they’re not doing more than cruising. Not one car in this vid is setup like that though at least these guys drive their car. Whether straight line or around turns if you drive your car “because it looks cool” won’t come up when asked why. You be laughed at by too many people
at least now I know there's a reason for this. quite interesting to learn
Damn, i did not know this, that’s cool!
Same lmao I learn more from yt than class
Me neither lol
Had to learn this at a young age because of all the douchebags in my hood. For a while it was "camber gang" for the ricers lol.
Zeal function d's with front spacers and -3 degrees camber is what i used with my open diff 🤣
I love seeing my local tracks and the homies in this!
You know, I always thought it was to make more angle. This makes a lot more sense I needed this.
I like this.... Do one one toe in vs toe out on both rear and front wheels
Negative camber also gives more grip in turns, by changing the angle of the wheelbase it makes a flatter plane when the car is under sideways inertia in a turn.
They're not damaged, they're intentionally broken. It's a race car mom I have to wear my tires unevenly!
Best explanation I've heard of it to date. Super informative. What song is in the background tho?
Very well explained. I finally learned something today. Thank you.
I learned something new today
the natural positive canber when countersteering is because of caster
yep it makes the wheel straighter vertically during a drift when it's most needed
Thank you for explaining this to me in language I can understand
Time to make a valid drift build in forza
And the camber change is directly related to how much caster they run and upper and lower ball joint correlation.
I have always wondered this, great explanation.
Simply put, it makes the front end very unstable to an untrained driver. To a trained driver its what they need to get the back end out.
How does it make the front end unstable?? As long as your running reasonable degree of negative camber and not cambergang amounts. It’s still stable and easily controllable and then it’s not necessary to get the back end out and lose traction?
It makes the front end grip better in corners, in FWD track car, you NEED negative camber to fight tire rollover and maximise your contact patch during cornering, it's often said a good alignment factoring in these things can completely change the handling characteristics of a car.
Great Shorts!
Respect for making for a tips tuned drift cars this video 👏😎
Thanks for clearing this up! Seriously, always wondered. Also, why do street/drift car tires often have rims/wheels that project farther out than the sidewall of the tire?
Aesthetics
I run 8 degrees on my mustang 😅 I don’t need all of it but it fits the wheels well haha
There are non drifters who do this to their daily driver. Knowing it’ll be an uncomfortable and lose traction in the rain going 60. Witnessed this happen haha
Love the USAIR content😍
The more i learn, this is so cool
Does this change how the car functions outside of drifting? Like launch or handling?
Doesn’t affect launches much because the rear tires still have the same amount of grip. I’m not sure about handling but I can say that it impacts tire life as the only usable part is the egde of the tire.
@@thejoshuaarzu3159 it does affect handling if you go down a windy hill with a cambered car don’t argue it’s gonna be a little more difficult than a stock suspension car
Sometimes it'll make a car slightly slower going straight. Most drag cars run either very little camber or 0
For handling very very slight camber is good, more contact on hard turns. For the most part, leaving the wheels "neutral" is the best option all around. Example- f1 cars have a slight amount of camber if you look closely.
Increases straight line braking distance. You can reduce the need for as much negative camber by not relying on Caster for steering stability. Counter steering is the enemy of speed.
The M3 E46 though ♥️ 😳
Ayee us air speedway!! Been going there for two years!! Did miss a single drift event last year!
That actually makes sense
You'd think they'd invent something by now that can be adjusted to keep 100% contact all the time.
Maybe, but I think the amount of moving parts needed would be ridiculously complicated and definitely less reliable. If something fails or breaks while you're going 60mph, lord have mercy
@@leto1596 Way less than a full adjustable damper. Mercedes had that tech for decades already where you could see how the wheels tilted ro adult the contact patch. Iirc it's about kingpin inclination.
The drift stance is also very aesthetic it's often combined with a slightly lifted front end. ngl that kind of setup looks wild on the track 🔥
Higher front end helps transfer the weight to the rear, which allows the rear tires to be pushed down with more weight allowing the vehicle to "slingshot forward" rather sliding out. If they need to slide out, left foot braking is used, basically a high speed burnout.
Wait till people find out this has been used in grip racing for decades lol
Grip cars won't be counter steering during peak loads and don't use as much camber. This allows greater front grip during deceleration at the end of straights. If you're fast you won't be counter steering very much(a few degrees when you overdrive) and thus adding all that positive camber at the exact time you don't want it. This only applies to looking fast not being fast. You could probably make faster laps casually cornering at speeds just before the tire makes noise, than you can at opposite lock.
@@DericCribbsthey do run massive camber in qualifying if they can v8 supercars had to limit how much because they were having tire blowouts running -8° they run less in the race for better tire wear
Yes, it's crazy to me how many "car guys" and "drift guys" don't understand the absolute basics of suspension tuning, like yes, you can find books from the 60s explaining the benefits of negative camber, a slightly lower ride height, slight toe out, stiffer springs, and anti roll bar when building a car for racing. But these people don't want to read or actually learn.
Yupp, you want the leading tire to be flat or nearly flat at full lock.
Never knew it🤯. Always thought that’s some kind of fad
Same concept in F1 too, for the exact same reason, more contact patch when cornering, more grip.
Partially. The difference is that F1 cars typically use less than 1 degree of camber. Not 10 or 20 degrees like these "drift kings" think they need.
you see more of it gaining positive camber through turns on grip cars
Sick
Wow, this made me sub ya
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was that us air? I recognize that black fc, with those 5 spoke rims, he has been going there for so long lol
Same for race it's just never gonna be something crazy
That body swapped silvia was dope AF
Rocket bunny kit
Never thought it was broken but that did i not know.
that red z31 tho
Yeah? Me seeing a 07 Rav4 all 4 wheels have different amount of camber on all of them. You can hear the grind too. That Rav4 parked behind "my" 07 Rav4.
The negative camber doesn't really help much help if the car is super low and stiff and can't roll. Negative camber is for when body roll forces the tire to camber positive. Imagine a lowered car with negative camber spinning out- one side would have to have wheels off of the ground for the other side's tires to actually flatten out on the road
No, in this case, it's to counteract the effects of caster angle. Winding on the lock causes positive camber. The negative camber cancels this out. Did you not understand the video?
Thanks now I know my wrangler is not broken but in drift mode
😅😅😅
that 300zx gawd dam
Today I learned something valuable
As a pro gamer drifter it's cuz grip and how much troqe you got and when sliding it helps control the car
Also negative camber improves turn in
Positive camber in the rear negative in the front 🫡
low negative camber on rear, 2-2.5° is probably optimal
@LoserToast Hate to break it to ya, no camber rear is best. Infact you'd want toe in and a smidge of positive camber instead.
“You ever stepped on a Hot Wheels car?”😅
Just remember kids. Just because the car has camber doesn't mean it drifts and there is such a thing as too much.
TLDR: if you look at drift car tires that aren't like this the "outside" half of the tire gets worn down a lot quicker, this counters that kinda
I figured this out so long ago in video games.
This Chanel has taught me many things Also the owner being broke😢y’all did not need to roast us LOL
Bigger contact pach ≠ more grip. A contact pace of 1m and 1mm produce the same friction wherefore grip, all else being equal. Tyres aren't designed to operate at an angle, especially softer compounds as the side walls are weaker, so camber is required to keep them upright when grip is a limiting factor i.e. cornering
Small contact patch = instant overheating of the contact patch, equals zero grip. So, size of contact patch DOES affect grip, but not in the way most people understand.
Its when you see a drift car on full steering lock. Now that definitely looks broken if you don't know what your looking at.
Ive had quite a Few People ask why my Mustang has Negative Camber and trying to explain it all the Time gets annoying so Ill just show them this Video
Hu. I dident think an angled wheel actually had a use.. thats kinda cool
I agree that doing this to gain more performance for drifting. What i can not stand is people doing this camber to their cars and NEVER intend to drift it, like ever. They do it for looks so they can be a poser at car meets.
“The owner is broke”💀
We know from experience 😅
Only commoners would think that the suspensionwas broken.
Very cool and all, but what is that phonk song that i somehow haven’t heard?
Trash. And not real phonk
@@perspectivemedia7142 Thats a tight perspective
cambers don't really matter too much as long as you know how to drift properly you can probably control any mess up but that's my opinion atleast.
It cancels out the caster angle
BMW had cars in the 80s that did this without that.
I've raced at the track in this video 😎
Can't wait to go to shawano this summer!!!
Now, teach the kids today that this is not for everyday drivers
I can confirm the owner is Brooke
Camber gang done with actual purpose.
Its hard to make equal camber
Is this an Eletor video in the background?
Why and how does the front wheels gain camber? I've seen some cars from the factory do that, like Mercedes Benz.. yet many cars don't make camber as they turn. I'd really like to throughly explained to me logically as to what parts make camber happen when turning.
Caster is camber change during turning... this guy is not explaining it correctly
I’ve seen someone run negative camber, don’t know why, they just did
It makes me giggle whenever I see a ford fiesta or VW polo with full negative camber...🤣🤣🤣🤣🙈
Wait wait there are people that don't know this ? 🤣
Most "car guys"
@@raybun4003 not true my man's evan old heads now what camber is. Just crazy to think how uncommon commen sense is nowadays 🤣
I couldnt say it better my self😂😂😂
Owner might be broke🤣🤣🤣
Key words "front tires" "drift car" I really wish the trend of stancing cars would pass forever.
And it also looks cool :)
I like drifting
Or a fence .. xD
Nissan Z31 let's gooo
You say that it keeps you out of walls and fences, that's all well and good.... But does it keep you out of trees? If that's the case then I shall invest.
I mean ,all pills are a win in life ahaha
The car's owner might be broke 😂😭
Z31 ftw
SEE guys it’s for PERFORMANCE. Your bagged Lexus LS does NOT need any camber!!!!
That shows how little you understand about suspension geometry, in most applications, having negative camber about up to -5 degrees improves turn in and maximises the contact patch during cornering. As someone who actually has a degree in motorsports engineering, it pisses me off when tik tok kids don't understand things but are so confident in what they say, go read a book like how to make a car handle by fred puhn, it's an excellent book if you actually want to learn about suspension tuning. You can make any car handle well if you understand suspension tuning so long as there is an aftermarket or someone to fabricate the parts you need. But you are right in that pneumatic suspension really isn't for performance, they're often using that camber to ensure proper fitment of their wheels since they've ruined their suspension by lowering the car too much, the roll center is definitely screwed but those type of people don't know, understand, or care.