I get this question about 10 times a day, so I figured id show you how I setup separate shock and spring coilovers. This setup is much better than true coilovers on the BMW's as well as some other cars for many reasons.
These are BCRacing-NA.com coilovers on a E46 Bmw 330.
If you would like to order custom coilovers spec'd for your particular car message orderdriftparts@gmail.com.
Please make a tutorial on how to get such a beautiful hair! Jk, upload more, we need the knowledge, thanks!
Nah I really wanna see how to get that glorious hair
Other than the fact that you are an absolute badass drift driver, this is exactly the kind of content that made me subscribe to your channel. Sweet 😎
I watch all kinds of automotive videos and I have for 2 years now. You are the top of the class in explanation in hands on informing the viewer Right on man!!!! Good job!!!! Thank you
Thanks for the clarification of the benefits of regular spring shock setup verses the true coilover setup. I've been looking for answers for what setup I should go with.
Love the demonstration and explanation in detail. Sub'd. Respect. E36 guy here, been playing with suspension bits and pieces for years for fast canyon/mountain driving and all these little details matter so much - love that you show it off!
I just bought a 2003 manual transmission 330i with 195 on the clock . Because of Chelsea. Thank you for these videos. I hope to go to your school in the near future !
Love the videos man, helped me a ton with my e36. Hoping to get it on track super soon!
Thanks for sharing man. I love learning how all this works.
That was an excellent video , I had no idea how to set up the rear suspension. Thank you!!!
Thanks for the info just did this to my 190e. I will see the results this weekend! 🤘
My max speeding rods shocks are so janky in the rear- this helped me understand what’s going on so much better- thank you!!!!
Great video, great insight, easy to understand. good luck in FD!!
So glad to see another video from you! Can’t wait to watch you drive at klutchkickers this weekend!!!
👑👑👑 Awesome stuff you've got here man, I'm a big fan
Your a drift god. Thank you for this wonder knowledge 🙏🏿
80s hair do coming in strong broooo!😂 Thanks for the help, definitely needed to know this for setting up my 86 rear end!
I appreciate these videos, im still learning how to properly setup my jzx100, these help alot 🙏
Sick video man, helped me out a lot 🔥
Very informative, thanks Chelsea!
Thank for you the information, please make more videos on setting up the suspension
You have solved my problems. Thank you so much
Good to know for my e46 drift car. I bought the car with Koni struts and h&r race springs and it feels good to me. I don't know much about suspension so it's cool to learn.
Those come in a good length to begin with.
Great video 👍 convinced me that i didnt need the true coilovers on my street 36
Wish I would've seen this before ordering standard BCs for my E30 from FCP
Just rewatching this video because I will finally be installing the BC Coilovers on my 84 Supra this weekend.
Thank you so being so informative
One of the best tutorial I've seen, great work! 2:28 that is not safe at all, if the lift fails and the lift lock is still opened (since you didn't get it down enough to check) that would be a really bad day. There is another way the rally dudes set it, I can put a link to the YT video if you reply on this, the video is on BC coils for an e46 drift from UK.
You can hear the lift pop as it’s going up. So basically what you’re saying is don’t use any tool that could support the weight of the car under it ever? Trans jack, deadman post, etc? I’m good. Also this isn’t rally, we’re not setting preload and spring height, we are maximizing the cars stroke for balance on asphalt for drifting.
No man you got it wrong, I admire and subscribed to what you are doing, you are a pioneer in the industry, I’m not sure if drifting is mature yet as a motor sport. Of course use any tool that was created to do the job, I didn’t hear the lift pop going down, and you went under the car, I’m not absurd or making fun, all I’m saying is to keep safe because we need more people like you, you are inspirational... I would never be able to share this kind of knowledge, I don’t have the opportunity
@@ichimeduard6188 Lift locks are on spring loaded dog latches if the lift fails they will still catch.
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Any chance you could make more videos on tips with your s197? I'm having a tough time learning with my 2013 gt, the electric rack takes a ton of work
Thoughts on lowering car by removing preload? Converted my shock/spring setup to true style on my 350z. Though I'm maxed out and still have about an inch and a half gap (265/35's 18x10.5). I dumped it in the past by removing the preload and rode around for a bit without any issues but didn't really like the idea of it.
thanks for the information about how to set the shocks correctly. I will have to see if my ones are set correctly. Could I ask you some other questions about spring rates and rear toe? Currently I have a 7kg spring in the front of my e36, and a 9kg spring in the rear. The front shocks are rather set up stiff, the rear rather loose. I have about 1/4" total toe in in the rear. The car has good grip as far is I can tell, but it likes to straigthen really fast when Im off the gas, slow transitions are rather difficulty to do proper. Are the spring rates front to rear okay? The Car has about 350 bhp. Should I run less rear toe ? What rear toe would you run? The Coilovers are D2 ones. Thank you very much and good luck in FD !!!
THANKK YOU!!
Thanks that helped a lot
you could make a video explaining how a car's suspension geometry works and how to combine it with front and rear alignment please?🥺
says " don't over tighten the rear knuckle to shock", I felt that. Stripped mine on my z3 installing coils
Chase run against Alex Heilbrun Monroe 2018. Greatest chase run ever 🤷♂️ (Maybe except for the pass)
I have a couple of questions. First, I have an e46 sedan, and would like to know which coilovers would you recommend most for street? Ive been looking at godspeeds mono rs, bc racing , isc , and silvers true coilovers.
What if I mount my true coilovers to the control arm and make a strong shock tower? Subscribed
I’d love to see one on a solid axle setup, unless there is one (in which case someone please direct me to it)
If anyone plans on using rear spring adjusters, upgrade to Swift springs to increase travel a bit. Swift springs have less windings, so there's more room before they start hitting each other.
Good looks I was thinking about copping swift springs when I get my new coils 14k in the front and 12k in the rear
@@swiftlys7gmVQ35DE 14k and 12k for an e46??
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Hair looks wild dawg
awesome video.. we got so much trouble which setting up our E36. Where to get that kind of a spring? Our rear is complety stripped so very light....sucks with the stock spring...it is to stiff.
Hey does this guy race cars or something? Haven’t seen you forever!!! Your channel could be the biggest KZhead channel if you would consistently put out content! Buy a tripod dude!! Your information in drifting is huge for the sport. To this day i still remember in my e46 to feel the slide in my lower back or hips!!!
Thanks Man. Glad I could help
I think he's just so fucking busy that it would be crazy hard for him to put out constant content. I agree, Chelsea is a genius when it comes to suspension stuff. Mustangs are so much more dialed now with him on the team.
Mike Kraemer first time i saw him was in the garage garage! As soon as he started talking about cars i could see this guy knows what’s he talking about🙂
Can you do a tutorial for the front set up!
Great explanation and demonstration. So, if you are not using the spring height adjusters, how are you able to adjust ride height in the rear?
He tuned the shock to the length. Watch the video again.
@@DirtyCruze. I saw that. But that is not adjusting the ride height, that is setting the shock length to maximize compression travel. As he said toward the beginning of the video, SPRING LENGTH determines ride height, not shock length. So basically, without the ride height adjuster paired with the spring, the ride height is dictated by the spring length and how much it compresses under the static load of the chassis.
Love DIY content, could you do akerman?
Coming back to this video after 2y. What are the benefits of running linear springs at the back on e46? My ride height is high enough no not worry about coil binding.
Man ty so much for all these videos I'm putting together my 00 e46 with a 2jz an I was on the fence with witch coilovers to get true or regular one.think I'm going regular ones.
thanks chelsea!!
This was super useful. Cause I've heard that you want as much travel as you can for drifting. But never understood what it referred to. I'm guessing you did the same basic process on your s197 mustang?
Yes. It’s a little different with the straight axle, but essentially the same thing
Great video. Do you doing anything different for your TI / e30 / non-multi-link rear suspension?
Nope, similar for sure. Just shorter spring and shock.
Bc br coilovers for the 05 14 mustang font have true coilovers in the rear should I go with silvers neomax instead?
Hi, wont setting the bumpstop to prevent some to activate earlier to prevent some rubbing , send the spring rate up also?
U r the best behind the wheele.
this is such good information. please decide you like g/zs a lot too lol
Do a video about wheel set up on e36
I am researching the difference of a true coil over vs divorced spring for a mk4 jetta. I keep seeing true coil overs for the rear set on some of the higher end sets and it doesn't make sense to me. Because that is not the original design for the car wouldnt that require some pretty major fab work for a mk4 to run a rear coil over?
Nice...that was simple to understand. I really enjoy watching you drift brother. Your angle is sick. If Cleetus and Cars is on in November I might let you try and drift my Charger Scat Pack...Drift Mode is wild!!! Still trying to get a feel for it, but all I can see is dollar signs whet I get her sideways...Sketchy...lmmfao
I have some ae86 coilovers on my 85 celica which has an sra. Is this style of suspension good for being low? I noticed I still have travel, but thankfully not as much as with a cut spring & shock set up. Frankly I just don’t want to blow out another setup
whats the best way to fix a strut mount if its stripped out? i put a nut/bolt onto mine but idk if thats the best way about it
Zf e36 transmission into e46 ..what shift linkage i need to use and having issues whit the guibo flange are different any help would be appreciated
I didn't really know what are thr princips to adjust the lenght of the shock right - seems so obvious :D Very helpfull! Question totally about something else: is that 330, M54B30? Cause I see there a single exhaust. What diameter is that? Have you check it Chelsea about hp/tq performance?
It’s an s52. Collector position is crucial but 3” diameter is enough for our 245whp motor setup.
So thats a 7in spring in the rear, What rate? Also where do you get various springs like that from?
With this logic (which make sense) ride height should be adjusted with preload instead of shock length on a traditional coilover? All this makes sense to me, especially applying off-road shock knowledge of bump and droop. So should we set the bump with shock length and ride height with preload?
Yea pretty much.
I have the off the shelf BC kit for my E36 and I was wondering how I keep the preload on my spring and still get the maximum travel from my shock?
Should work just fine on the stock kit
Now if we already have the standard bc setup in the rear with the perch/adjuster would removing it cause it to sit too low? Or would I need a taller spring. (94 e36 drift car)
Likely you’ll need a taller spring 6.5-7 spring length” is best height for balanced grip.
Make a tutorial on how to install bucket seats
I can apply this to my rear suspension of my 350z I’m assuming?
Can you do a video on how to setup the ae86 suspension 🙂 Thanks
I can do maybe.
Have you ever played with a 350z spring bucket setup? Stubborn & trying to make the divorced setup work. With 0 camber I have like 2” of total toe in.. want like 1/2”.. going to try some “extra” eccentric bolts & notching the knuckle bolt hole to get more adjustment
A few people make adjustable arms with the spring bucket
@@chelseadenofaSPL makes a set but they’re like $500 - my temp. solution worked exactly as I’d hoped. 0* camber, .5” total toe in, & now proper shock stroke thanks to this video! Car should rip & have decent life on 265 now!!
with this type of suspension could u run rear springs where u can adjust ride height and be slammed and then when u wanna drift just swap in a full spring like that with no adjustable hat? that’s what i’ve been thinking of doing
You can. But you’ll need to align the car each time.
Chelsea Kevlar on doors Luke back on Bmx bike again heads up😂👍
Having changed coilover springs by myself in 15 min an hour. I agree with not putting the load into the shock pickup having adjustable corner weights is imperative. You only need an inch or so to do so. to adjust corner weight. Though coil overs do allow far more ride height adjustment. I see these coilover kits that have front springs 2-300lb too soft and rears 100+ lb too stiff. Running wheelspacers to simply widen the track is plain dumb. It simply softens the spring rate and causes huge guard issues. The only real reason is using wrong offset wheels or slim ones to give calliper clearance etc. They are never ideal at the best. The more scrub radius on the front makes the car bloody dangerous as it tries to take the wheel out of your hands on kerbs and bigger bumps. And overloads axles and bearings on the rear. And at times accentuates rear steer that swing axles have.
Wheel spacers are a tool to reduce side bite on our school cars and make them easier to drive on our track. So we run a 17x8 ET 15 offset after the spacer. Scrub can actually by tuned to help self steering capabilities and low offset front wheels are a necessity for 65 degrees of steering angle.
Make a next episode about spring rates for e36/46, please!
Will I need to adjust my custom DS coilovers for my e90? Just ordered.. was kinda just planning on adjusting the height 😅
This setup style is more for drifting as stated in the video, but it will work for your e90 as well.
If I email BC for a good grip/drag racing set up for my turbo e30 5 lug set up could they point me in the right direction for my set up?
Sure man, Feel free to email them or our orderdriftparts@gmail.com for DeNofa Spec.
shout out on Fd win. u not playing 👍🤙✌️👻
This setup/method is suitable too for autocross or track?
I think I’ve referenced this specific video like 10 times. Lol.
thank uuuuu
How’d you get those trophies home? Lol I feel like Vaughn is getting bashed over the grass scene far too much! For something he was betted and told to do!
Is this the same for 05-14 S197 Mustang's or does true coilover get more benefit since its solid axle?
With the straight axle the true coilover isn’t quite as bad, it can be used in a similar fashion. I still prefer separate tho
Hey Chelsea, I just did coilovers on my e36 and am running into an issue with the rear not getting where I need it without sitting on the rear sway bar. I think I've come up with a solution but I wanted to toss it someone else's way before I grab the parts. So I'm considering getting a set of z3 rear sway bar links which seem like they're just short enough to make it so the non m sway bar won't contact with the upper control arm control arm and should get me to the height I'm trying to get to. Am I on the right track or completely off?
I have no idea what you’re walking about. Are the links bolted to the arm still?!?
@@chelseadenofa Yes, the links are still connected to the stock positions using the stock links in both the front and rear. Turns out that the rear sat bar isn’t contacting the lower control arm and there’s a little room between the bar and the arm. Thanks for the reply.
Limited spring preload , struts towers and knuckles can be reinforced, can’t corner balance. Limited hight adjustability, last I checked the kits only come with 1 set of springs, can’t go as low as true rear coil overs. True>divided It’s not because they don’t know how it works but more aware of the limitations on a divided setup.
False. You can corner balance just fine, and you should be building a car with that in mind so you’re not staggering ride height more than 1/4 inch. Coilover springs can be purchased cheap, and swapped easily what does what the kit comes with have to do with it. If going super Low is your priority than none of this fucking matters to you anyways. Also, divided Coilovers can go just as low. Limitations my ass, the divided setup will SHIT all over true coilover on these chassis ANY day. I literally build shocks for a living... carry on bud
Chelsea DeNofa how are you corner balancing with no adjustable spring preload in the rear.? Every set BC I’ve ever gotten the shock was always too long to provide proper adjustments on the bmw cassis. Unless you talking about near stock height then agin your limited by the divided setup
@@taverncustoms you can put shims under the spring, even easier with separate setup... Corner weights just fine
@@sultanofswingdrift3021 static corner balance with still the problem of unsprung preload. But yeah whatever run what make you happy
Does anyone know if cut truck suspension would work on a drift car because it needs stiffer suspension?
Does this method also apply to true coil overs? Would you consider making a similar video but for true coil overs?
Yup can do.
@@chelseadenofa did you ever make this video for true coilovers?
Would this process work on the z/g platform, obviously clearances might be different but I could use the same principle correct?
For drifting yes.
Chelsea DeNofa what about for daily driving
Hey Chelsea, How does this apply to the Ti? Is there even anything different, conceptually? Or is it the same concept
Same concept
@@chelseadenofa oh sweet thanks. I Desperately need to overhaul the suspension on my Ti.
What Diff is in that e36? Doesnt look stock. Great video tho!
It’s e46
What camber arms (rlca) does he have? I got shitty Megan’s and they don’t even remove all my rear camber.
The 170mm spring is that a 7k ? Looking to change my set up after seeing this !
These are 14k on this car. Our track and tires have a ton of grip so we are limiting that for students and balancing the car. Still one of the fastest cars at parc. Just easier to drive. A 7k will be much too soft on the rear.
And what about the front ? In the process of doing to 1jz swap ? I have the oe springs up front on the br series.
So what is the diameter size of the springs if I go with just the springs and no adjusters in the rear 2.25”, 2.5” inner diameter?
So I tried to setup mine the same way and now my sprint won’t stay in the bucket
Does BC make the rear springs like that for e30’s? Idk what they’re technically called. Like football shaped. I’ve been looking for a spring for my 318ti for FOREVER. And I can’t find anywhere that BC advertises that style rear springs unless you buy their coilovers, which may be a move for me really
Fantastic video also, I think this will help a lot of people who don’t understand this kind of rear suspension
Yes they do. It’s they’re base e30/36/46 coilover kit instead of their full coilover conversion
Honeycomb/progressive springs?
Yes they do.
one serious question for me is what spring rates should we run with regular setup not true coilover
A lot of variables there. Off the shelf BC rates are a great starting point
@@chelseadenofa makes sense, i am running barrel style springs atm and on full soft on the shock the grip feels insane, even on 0 toe, but was wondering what your opinion would be measured in k's
What rear spring rates are you running on the e36 school cars?
It’s a combo of things that make those shocks work well, but 10k front and 13k rear.
I just switched my rear to a 12k and an 8k front on a 2490 pound car. Was running a 10k but it was too aggressive for stock power. Was a rocket ship in drift though! The 12k made it way more driveable in tandem thanks for taking the time to share about your setup.
What size Spacers are those where can I get them
Are the parts available for E39’s as well?
Yes
Hey Chelsea, your video "My secong year in FD" has been copyright blocked. Could you re-upload it please?
Anyone know of drift events or tracks in the Texas area? Can't find much reliable information on it. Figured I'd ask here.
lone star drift
What wheels are those?