Dante and Vergil are two of gaming's strongest characters, but just how powerful are the sons of Sparda? In this video I answer that exact question. #dmc #devilmaycry #dmc5 #dmc3 #dante #vergil
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Very cool video! Always happy to see the DMC verse getting love
@DigitaltYT7 ай бұрын
Thanks bro 🙏 Cool to have a fellow DMC KZheadr notice my tiny channel lol. Appreciate you 🤝
@EightUltra7 ай бұрын
@@EightUltra keep it up dude, and hope to see more!
@DigitaltYT7 ай бұрын
Hi digital love your vds
@vitorsantos88227 ай бұрын
Yoo the dmc goat. Love ur vids digital
@drako.g4 ай бұрын
@@EightUltraDmc Is G.O.A.T.E.D🐐💯🔥🔥
@jamichealruiz3 ай бұрын
You missed some feats from novels and pinnacle of combat that would skyrocket DMC5's scaling even further. Even if you were to ignore pinnacle of combat's 9D statement dante and vergil would still technically be at complex multiversal levels because the demon world through the lore in DMC3 and DMC1 is dimensionally higher than the human world, it has its own laws of physics, not only a different flow of time but multiple flows of time as well as other timelines and higher dimensions and pocket dimensions such as nervana. The demon world itself is a multiverse.
@justtrin22217 ай бұрын
Yeah as well as getting them to immeasurable speed. Unfortunately I could not for the life of me find some scans, so I had to downplay them a bit as I wanted to give a lowest and highest interpretation
@EightUltra7 ай бұрын
@@EightUltra my favorite feats are from the DMC2 novel, you should give it a read if you haven't, dante accomplishes some impressive stuff.
@justtrin22217 ай бұрын
@@justtrin2221 I’ll have to give it a look I haven’t heard much about it 👀
@EightUltra7 ай бұрын
@@justtrin2221Could you list them?
@marcus79847 ай бұрын
@@marcus7984he beats an omnipresent and nigh omnipotent being named Void Mundus and Chen. Chen is a Human who are the beastheads which allows you to rewrite all of reality see through all timelines and it grants whatever the wielder needs if they’re backed into a corner. Dante beats him and Chen also used the Sparda family’s sword style he also had infinite IQ
@collinthesage74365 ай бұрын
The crazy thing about dante speed is that in POC he was able to defeat Pluto who are so fast that he can travel and bypass the axis of time stream
@MaxChaser6 ай бұрын
I wanted to show that to but couldn’t find the scan for the life of me
@EightUltra6 ай бұрын
@@EightUltra What's a scan?
@John-dd8kh3 ай бұрын
He didn't defeat Pluto he stalemates him
@gonhunter39943 ай бұрын
Pinnacle of combat or peak of combat?
@scary54552 ай бұрын
@@gonhunter3994 no... no,he definitely beat him,I've actually played the game and yes,he does in fact beat him
@justineangelreymanlapao9462Ай бұрын
I needed this bad, im writing Twitter thread about Sephiroth vs Vergil not being close 💀
@lll_Number_One7 ай бұрын
That sounds like a W thread at least you don’t gotta play through all the games and find all the scans anymore lmao
@EightUltra7 ай бұрын
I see the Death battle left many of us sore 😅.
@narusas12227 ай бұрын
@@EightUltrafrfr Death battle talking out their ass if they think vergil looses to Sephiroth. Damn boy is more like Simpiroth
@keashaneverts44526 ай бұрын
@@narusas1222honestly 😭😭
@G4n3ro3 ай бұрын
@@keashaneverts4452 And yet, Somehow Sephiroth has Time Travel Magic. Hell, he can literally Speed Himself up!
@danielramsey61413 ай бұрын
There’s a lot of other feats missing but it’s a really good video nonetheless we missed some stuff like Dante and the gang being able to kill metaphysical beings or Dante and Vergil I’m DMC3 transcending the concept of time and more
@collinthesage74365 ай бұрын
Yeah there’s a lot more we can pull from even some Peak of Combat stuff like Pluto bypassing the time stream and Dante still being able to keep up with him
@EightUltra5 ай бұрын
@@EightUltra Most Definitely I just didn't wish to use anything from POC because so many people love to say it's non canon tho we have statements saying otherwise 😭
@collinthesage74365 ай бұрын
Another feat for their speed. In DMC 5, the demon Fury is stated to be the fastest demon in the entirety of hell, which capable of crossing hell and reaching it's border in matter of seconds, and if you know, hell is the same size of the overworld, which is the entire universe. And Dante plays with the Furies as if they were joke demons (not the same to the players)
@notthedeadweight9 күн бұрын
This might just be my favorite video from you thus far, you really put in your research and I must give props for that. Plus who doesn't love Dante and Virgil?
@gojochillmode8397 ай бұрын
Thank you so much man 🙏 It helps that I’ve already scaled Dante and Vergil before it was just a matter of finding all the scans again. And exactly unless a new game just released new DMC content is somewhat rare so I’m more than happy to remedy that 🙏
@EightUltra7 ай бұрын
The best video for powerscaling Dante and vergil
@orochieditzz3 ай бұрын
Thank you goat 🙏
@EightUltra3 ай бұрын
very well researched and edited video high quality stuff. i feel compelled to subscribe.
@potatoemporer21747 ай бұрын
Thanks bro I really appreciate it 🙏
@EightUltra7 ай бұрын
Great video! Dante and Vergil are the best.
@A7XKoRnRocks13 ай бұрын
I've enjoyed the video. Really well done. In the last months of 2023 a lot of PoC has been brought in question , not only with the lack of somethings in the current Beta (like a Book with enemy descriptions that would give Dante and Vergil more hax), as well the validity of the scans has been brought into question (like the ones of 9D souls and Pluto Speed) very recently. So I guess it makes sense for the skepticism. Exclduing PoC, I would like to mention a few things (don't need to agree with them): -A. If you go with the most basic interpretation, it seems that Dante and Vergil would likely be Multiversal. However, there are, possibly, in theroy, two ways (and this is mostly my opinion and after looking around some other sites and arguments) for them to be of a higher scale, close to Low Complex Multiversal, and maybe above: 1. If we take the interaction between of the Human World and Demon World not as two parallel universes, but both stacked on each other. If the Human World is your classic 3D/4D structure (3 of space and 1 of time) and the Demon World is a higher Dimension (since it is hintend that the souls of the dead go to there and mentioned as endless in some descriptions of item and enemies) with, inside of it, several dimensional structures (like the nirvanas and other D. World locations from DMC3) some Universe sized (like the Mirror World from DMC1, the reflection of the Human World and is one entrance to the D. World Dante used). That could make the base of the verse be Low Complex. 2. If the Ruler of Hell who Mundus defeated was the same demon that, according to the DMC3 Manga, splited the two words (which we usually refer as Pluto), that means that both brothers are likley way more powerful than the base of formation of the verse: Mundus defeated Pluto, rivaled Argosax, and was beaten by Sparda. In DMC1 is commented how Dante was as strong or more so than Sparda (according to Griffon, in his death scene); Here he should be close or slightly higher than his father. Rivals Mundus power at worse. During DMC2 years, though, Dante casually beat Argosax, whose Despair Embodied form (the fire one) made him more powerful than his original form that was equal to Mundus; and considered it easy and forgettable (Before the Nightmare). He also beat Void Mundus (way more powerful than regular Mundus) in the 2nd novel and also was considered easy (even this Mundis admitted that Dante didn't rival his power, actually was above him). It all seems to indicate that Dante power grew passively and in high marging, considering the gap between DMC1 and DMC2. And then possibly so on through 4 and 5. That before gaining SDT form. From this, it is possible to believe he is way, way higher than the just Multiversal scale by the end of 5. -B. They should have Immesurable speed. I've seen some discussion pages with links to a image with an image of Argosax Entry Enemy data, in, apparently, the DMC2 Complete Guide, page 98, with the following: 醜悪なアルゴサクス・ザ・ケイオスを触媒とすることで具現化した、 真なる姿。 両性具有の完璧な肉体と光り輝く姿を持つ。 その神々しいばかりの姿とは裏腹に､ 破壊と混沌、絶望のみを欲する究極の魔。 魔界を支配するまでになった実力は伊達ではなく、 時間や距離をも超越した瞬間移動、身に纏う光を収束しての攻撃によりダンテを翻弄する。 "It's true form, embodied by the catalyst of the abomination Argosax the Chaos. It is a hermaphrodite with a perfect body and shining figure. Despite the godlike appearance, destruction, chaos and despair is the desire of the ultimate demon. His ability to dominate the demon world is not for nothing, instantaneous movement that transcends time and distance, he plays with Dante by converging the light that surrounds him." -C. If we go through all the lore, including weapons, itens and enemies descriptions, both brother, by now, should have defense/resitance, to some degree, against most forms of hax. Including, Space, Reality (these from the Demon lords, like Mundus) Time, Mind (Argosax created paradoxes and linked the present and past; also could cause madness on humans), Soul (of course, as mentioned) and others. Sorry for the long comment.
@juliuswatcher11575 ай бұрын
I knew it was a good idea to include both interpretations just in case. I actually made this video before (to my knowledge at least( POC was being debunked, Even still though yeah I did miss some stuff. With all of the abilities and Hax that both brothers have as well as some statements about the demon world I’m sure it wouldn’t be to hard to get them to complex multi.
@EightUltra5 ай бұрын
@@EightUltra This is the way to go nowdays, it was indeed very good to do the video like this. PoC probably will have a final version with hopefully more descriptions to add (for the people that accept as canon). I've look around a few pages, but the one, so far, from Comic Vine called "devil may cry's true scaling unleashed" cover multiple interpretations of scaling related to the Demon World creation better. It could be worthy to take a look, ignoring the 9D stuff and most PoC stuff. If interested. Once again, very well done video.
@juliuswatcher11575 ай бұрын
I’m glad you bring up the Argosax feat since people will obviously continue to attempt at debunking PoC until it’s American release. It’s even more impressive knowing Dante blitzes Argosax, further cementing he has inaccessible/ immeasurable speed. Another good demonstration is during the DMC2 novel, when Dante combats Void Mundus. Void Mundus is the alternate timeline itself, and the void the two fight in. He’s omnipresent. This would make Dante’s reaction time at least nigh-omnipresent himself.
@Doctor_Mobius4 ай бұрын
@@Doctor_MobiusGood on mentiontiong Void Mundus. The novel is often overlooked And to add to that you mentioned, in one possible translation for the DMC Novel 2 in japanese, page 199: 魔王は...ムンドゥスは理解できなかった。 彼こそは絶対の存在であり、永遠に、時の流れからさえ独立した支配者として、森羅万象のすべてを統べることができるはずであったのだ。 しかし今ここに、彼と比肩し得る力を備えた相手がいる。 いや、もしかするとこの相手は、彼をも凌ぐ力を備えているのかもしれない。 "The Demon King, Mundus, could not understand this. He was supposed to be an absolute being, an eternal ruler free from even the flow of time, and to rule over all things in creation. Yet now, here was an opponent who had power that could rival his-- Nay, perhaps this opponent is even more powerful than he is." This is mentioned in the official english release (pg. 145). it confirms Dante as more powerful, I don't even think he uses his full power/potential in either Void Mundus or Argosax, both he claims, in the 2nd novel and Before the Nightmare, as "easy", and he just kept becoming more powerful in DMC4 and 5, even before unlocking Sin Devil Trigger.
@juliuswatcher11574 ай бұрын
This is a Massive W I love DMC and this video was so hype
@dacremthearch-farmer25126 ай бұрын
So glad to hear it man I have a lot of other DMC vids on my channel and actually uploading a big one right now 🙏
@EightUltra6 ай бұрын
@@EightUltra Can't wait man!
@dacremthearch-farmer25126 ай бұрын
I am not a powerscale kind of person but this video was pretty awesome
@BlazedApples7 ай бұрын
That’s surprising considering you’re a DB fan 👀
@EightUltra7 ай бұрын
@@EightUltra I can handle some powerscaling but in DB powerscaling died after the Buu saga I'd say
@BlazedApples7 ай бұрын
@@BlazedApples yeah because super scaling is so terrible 💀
@EightUltra7 ай бұрын
There's two more feats I'd like to mention. One is beating Chen the Cannibal, someone who consumed a devil arm known as the beastheads. The arm in question gives the user power and speed rivaling Mundus, all the knowledge of the world, ALL OF IT including, Sparda's and Dante's skills in combat, as well as giving past present and future vision, and Dante managed to best him. The other is obviously Void Mundus: not exactly creative or special, just a more powerful Mundus from another dimension, which Dante solo'd with little difficulty.
@warpstarrogue35543 ай бұрын
Great video man
@justalonelyman9947 ай бұрын
Thanks bro I appreciate it 🙏
@EightUltra7 ай бұрын
great video
@markpratt8048Ай бұрын
8:12 And coincidentally, being faster than the speed of light means that their universe has different laws of physics. So, we don't know how their physics actually works, it may look similar to ours in some way, but just the fact that something in that universe CAN be faster than light means, theirs are fundamentally different. We can't even know if the mass of one litre of water of their universe and of our universe have the same mass. And because we don't know it, we don't have the knowledge to actually compare them to other franchises (or our universe) either.
@kuhluhOG4 ай бұрын
W lets go I beat dmc 5 for the first time today still fumbling my combos but it's fun regardless
@mythryn36167 ай бұрын
LES GOOOO big W don’t forget to hop in the void to practice you’ll get better s lot faster 🙏
@EightUltra7 ай бұрын
could you do sephiroph vs dante and how that would go in a deathbattle, since vergil lost which i feel was rigged its interesting to know how dante would fight him im huge on the whole styles makes fight thing just like in boxing
@pricefamily345429 күн бұрын
I usually somewhat dislike the whole power scaling thing because it just feels unnecessary and reading far to deep into fights that are never gonna happen. However I see Dante and Vergil underestimated in pretty much everything so in this case I like it. Anyway, good video
@Tapelover2 ай бұрын
Ultra mega based video. Nero next?
@demonkiller80007 ай бұрын
It’s very possible 🌚
@EightUltra7 ай бұрын
Dante used SDT against post-fruit Urizen, this is shown in the dmc Visions of V manga
@-N-9772 ай бұрын
I'd like to see someone scale Dante and Vergil against the Nasuverse ( Fate Grand Order ) mostly against the Aricude ( Tupe Earth ) and other true ancestors. It's pretty clear now that Death battle did do their research properly b4 that fight.
@narusas12227 ай бұрын
I’m super unfamiliar with Fate but I hear Fate characters are some of the most absolutely broken characters in fiction lol
@EightUltra7 ай бұрын
@@EightUltra Yeah, I'm not too deep into fate but the power scaling in that verse is utterly ridiculous
@narusas12227 ай бұрын
No way in the seven hells Sephiroth could beat Vergil.
@yaqubebased19616 ай бұрын
@@yaqubebased1961 you can’t beat the storm that is approaching
@EightUltra6 ай бұрын
Actually I thought Dante used a small glimpse of devil trigger in the Abigail fight you could see the light that comes down when you use devil trigger
@JDFlyy3 ай бұрын
Dmc peak of combat Considered canon since it has been approved by capcom and itsuno himself
@orochieditzz3 ай бұрын
W video W everything i just got a few questions does rebelion have a known durability limit and could anyone EOS crack or destroy it Do dopplegangers have same durability and speed as the og dante/vergil
@AN0SV0LDIG0AD7 ай бұрын
As far as we know it’s durability limit is Urizen. So you’d have to be complex multi to be able to destroy it Doppelgängers are weird, because for Dante they’re shadows of himself and for Vergil it’s different. They have the same speed and strength but you can’t actually damage them. They’re like ethereal. In the case of Dante’s it’s stated that it’s literally a shadow that can hurt you, and with Vergil it’s like ethereal like mirage edge
@EightUltra7 ай бұрын
@@EightUltra i see they really are busted
@AN0SV0LDIG0AD7 ай бұрын
Kinda forgot to mention the demon world is in infinite space
@jbcoolerninja29 күн бұрын
After all that and there are still ppl that think kratos is stronger than dante which is beyound funny, kratos has no chance in hell beating dante at base forum not to mention DT or SIN DT
@houssamsidani72804 ай бұрын
So basically what your saying is they're at least 9d and at max 18d-45d or more which reverts back to 11 or 12 (infinitesimal) (incalc) meaning they're stronger than anyone in comics and manga combined.
@Trigger-ub6xn4 ай бұрын
Exactly
@MyB4llsHurt3 ай бұрын
SSS video! New sub right here! I’m glad you did a lot of research. Just for your knowledge, there’s a channel called “Zimatorn” and he has a lot of In-depth DMC powerscalling.
@WildYelectric5 ай бұрын
Thanks man! Yeah I’m actually subbed to his channel lol. There’s also another great channel with DMC content called DigitalYT 🙏
@EightUltra5 ай бұрын
@@EightUltra awesome! It’s great to be connected and explore the lore! Yes, he’s SSS as well! Keep up the good work!
@WildYelectric5 ай бұрын
to the kratos statement: you forgot that he has been to a place beyond dimensions in his canon crossover playstation allstars, otherwise everything great
@Orkus_Dark_Times18 күн бұрын
i only clicked on this video to say that before i zoomed in, i thought your user icon was a dog wearing a femto mask and i though that was preddy cool. but godzilla is also cool.
@XcaptainXobliviousXАй бұрын
To me I aways thought the difference between Dante and Vergil was Speed Vs Power with Vergil clearly being the faster one and Dante being the my physically stronger one.
@ghosttemplar6989Ай бұрын
Just subscribed
@OOKAMI34835 ай бұрын
My goat 🙏
@EightUltra5 ай бұрын
🗿@@EightUltra
@OOKAMI34834 ай бұрын
Smth to note. They will keep getting stronger, since I’m not sure if there is a confirmed time where Dante and Vergin hit old ages, but since human blood powers demon blood, and both mingle in their veins, they will as I said previously, keep getting stronger as times goes on.
@commett_crusader28042 ай бұрын
Underrated
@Deesbig694207 ай бұрын
Way to much 🔥
@EightUltra7 ай бұрын
my guy put a whole amv in this
@guypirelli7 ай бұрын
Yessir Dante and Vergil go way to hard 🔥
@EightUltra7 ай бұрын
2:42 no that's NOT ok dawg just because they don't think it's canon doesn't mean it's non-canon 💀
@theendbringermenace7 ай бұрын
The problem is we don’t have a 100% answer of the devs or Capcom stating it is or isn’t canon. We have a statement of them saying it takes place between DMC3 and 1, which there are plenty of series that have what if material that takes place during a certain period of the story that’s non-canon. Personally I think it’s canon, but I mainly did that so my comment section wasn’t filled with people saying “it’s NoT CaNon”
@EightUltra7 ай бұрын
Dimension scaling needs to go in the garbage. Sure, some characters are just way stronger than others and esoteric abilities can get weird; but this higher dimension stuff is honestly absurd. Claiming Kratos wouldn't even be able to perceive or interact with Dante because Dante is 4 dimensions over his head is an utterly deranged statement.
@julbot13 ай бұрын
Don’t blame me that’s just how dimensionality works in fiction lol
@EightUltra3 ай бұрын
Idk, I kinda like it. Sounds badass.
@gravemistakes84272 ай бұрын
Dmc 5 Dante solos the dbz universe
@Anactualrealperson6 ай бұрын
Imagine how powerful will be Nero`s SDT...
@Maxim-5_Squared3 ай бұрын
Nero should be easy to scale He’s obviously weaker than Dante during dmc 4 but slowly getting the hang of it to dmc 5 where he’s still slightly under Dantes level. Until the end of the 5th game where (Albeit Dante and Vergil were already injured and weakened) was able to keep up and damage both of them. So safe to say Nero is still weaker than Dante and Vergil but definitely have gotten really close to their level.
@malikunderfire2321Ай бұрын
Can you do the Bayonetta series?
@EmitNen7 ай бұрын
Absolutely though that will be after a few videos 🙏
@EightUltra7 ай бұрын
@@EightUltra No problem, I also hope to see your opinion on the topic of devil may cry vs Bayonetta
@EmitNen7 ай бұрын
That would be interesting, Death Battle did that a long time ago but that was before Bayo 2 and 3 and dmc5 i think. I'll have to look into Bayo scaling I imagine she can get pretty high@@EmitNen
@EightUltra7 ай бұрын
smt is canon is that enough?
@seriouslynotracist18 күн бұрын
Noice
@G4n3ro3 ай бұрын
You should do a Nero and V video like this
@Beyond597 ай бұрын
That could be fun 👀
@EightUltra7 ай бұрын
Me myself and I
@Xerxez_Official7 ай бұрын
i love that at least people are recognizing them as strong. still, i hate when people start saying "insert dimensions level" or whatever with power scaling these days. even when i agree with the results, it feels so limited and stupid, and rejects so much context, both in universe and IRL. like not everything fits into it and its also just like... self defeating... using its own logic EVERY fictional character is 2d at best. like foder enemies wouldnt be shit to kratos but people think "well 9d blah blah blah" despite the fact that we directly see they cant at ALL preform near on his level. and i say that being a significantly higher dmc fan than ANYTHING else ive ever seen, read, or played. and no, vergil didnt move faster than the speed of light to kill beauwolf. theyve SHOWN vergil using super speed both in gameplay and cut scenes. if they wanted it to be super speed, theyd make it look different than him simply jumping, which they do in other instances. yes dante and vergil can easily break the speed of light ranges, but thy arent constantly that fast, thats why dante can be surprised and capped in the face by a normal human. they have to actively choose to get to that level. theres also just some factually twisted statements in this video. yes, the hell vanguard are embodiments of their sin, BUT their forms that you fight are NOT, and vergil states this and the downside to this in the prequel manga, and dont try saying its not canon as its been stated, any statement that is not strictly contradicted or denied, its still canon, even if the book isnt as a whole. Vergil states that being concepts, they cant do anything to the physical world, as such they need to limit themselves, making the pathetic bodies that make up the vanguard, and he even goes on to state that with every vessel killed, it could potentially limit the power said sin has to begin with. and summons sword being examples of SOUL manipulation? no its fucking not, yes its using his power but its not his SOUL. thats a much different level right there. and he cant manipulate light using beowulf, manipulating light means any light, all light, not just throwing a ball or light following your hands and feet. the weapons emit light energies, they dont MANIPULATE them. shooting something out isnt manipulation at all, i cant manipulate light or electricity just because i can set a flashlight to high or low power. and hey, using that dimensional logic, im beyond anything, as im LITERALLY 3d and NO fictional character is actually beyond 2d. unless i guess you count a cardboard cutout or some shit. even vr, it LOOKS 3d but isnt actually, at all. until its actually real, it will ALWAYS, by LITERAL DEFINITION be 2d.
@BloodDragon-rp4xcАй бұрын
I got people saying Kratos is outer which i disagree
@ItzWeskinEditz15 күн бұрын
@@ItzWeskinEditz this whole power scaling shit is stupid. by its own definition everyone is only 2 dimension at best
@BloodDragon-rp4xc15 күн бұрын
@@BloodDragon-rp4xc yup. I still think Dante beats Kratos
@ItzWeskinEditz15 күн бұрын
@@ItzWeskinEditz me too, but i dont think it has anything to do with that weird demission thing. cause that would mean kratos couldnt even beat a Beelzebub bug from DMC1 which obviously kratos could stop one no problem
@BloodDragon-rp4xc15 күн бұрын
Beowulf uses the power of light but never actually moves at the speed of light. He goes on all fours during the bossfight to gain some extra speed for crying out loud. Also, he does have one attack where a bunch of light beams are shot at you. These are hard as fuck to dodge and you're likely to be hit by at least a few of them. However in DMC5 it is stated Dante can move at hyperspeed in SDT, which by definition means faster than light. So you could scale 5Dante's speed to light in Sin Devil Trigger.
@liltone8293 ай бұрын
and vergil he is much faster than dante because he can stop time and cut dimensions with his yamato and another beowulf and mirrage blade and mirrage edge and also judgment cut end I thought he would be much faster than dante vergil because that eke yem motivation and also him being a storm in fact author dusse vergil and dante are multiversal
@luisfabiobrito84993 ай бұрын
@@luisfabiobrito8499 What? None of that proved Vergil to be faster than Dante.
@liltone8293 ай бұрын
@@liltone829OK. It's true that Vergil and Dante have hyperspeed which means faster than the speed of light
@luisfabiobrito84993 ай бұрын
@@luisfabiobrito8499 Alright.
@liltone8293 ай бұрын
@@liltone829ok
@luisfabiobrito84993 ай бұрын
0:01 Its Legendary dark knight not just legendary devil hunter like it mentioned in Dmc5,, Its really disgusting how capcom and itsuno downgraded Dante's position
@malekyounes357 ай бұрын
I think both titles fit pretty well but I admit I do kinda like Legendary Devil Hunter more since I feel it fits Dante better and is a unique title for him. I feel like Legendary Dark Knight would fit Vergil a bit more since he’s always looked up to his father and the way he acts and dresses.
@EightUltra7 ай бұрын
“Devil Hunter” has always been the more accurate title for Dante. I know he’s accomplished much higher feats than his father who was the Legendary Dark Knight, but still it’s always been Dante’s thing to exterminate each and every demon who infiltrates the human world
@galenmarek45827 ай бұрын
If Mundus also ate the fruit, what makes urizen so much more powerful than him?
@JDFlyy3 ай бұрын
Likley that Mundus gained most of his power through the fruit, whereas Urizen was already as powerful as Vergil with a fruit stacked ontop
@EightUltra3 ай бұрын
@@EightUltra true
@JDFlyy3 ай бұрын
doesnt the 9th dimensional thing come from a non canon source
@fallen59837 күн бұрын
DMC fans try not to glaze Sparda sons challenge level impossible (im a dmc fan)
@titord60313 ай бұрын
??
@luisfabiobrito84993 ай бұрын
*et cetera... not "exetera"
@sander86225 ай бұрын
UMVC3 vergil still clears
@SiggyTundra3 ай бұрын
Gotta correct this: Urizen breaking the Rebellion isn't a feat greater than what Mundus is capable of. Mundus broke the Yamato, a comparable, if not superior, sword. Moreover, we cannot attribute this power to Urizen himself, as his power was being boosted by the Qlipoth, so it's really the tree's power. And given how we never faced Mundus at his full power, it's actually entirely possible he's stronger than post 5 Dante and Vergil.
@FBI-ju5no2 ай бұрын
garfield still solos though
@cmckevitt6 ай бұрын
I really dislike power scaling, it's so unnecessary. Why can't we just have everyone be friends and bad guys never winning because they are wrong? Anyway good video.
@DYNAMIC200027 ай бұрын
Thank you lmao 🙏
@EightUltra7 ай бұрын
Because what you suggested is boring and power scaling is interesting.
@dm8in7 ай бұрын
Your comment needs more likes fr. Because I honestly hate debate after goddamn debate. Like honestly, people just need to enjoy the motherfucking shows, games, movies, etc, and just shut the fuck up. 😒
@winnesota_7 ай бұрын
Power scaling exists for those who want to better understand a character/weapon/etc and the capability or destructive power in a much more comprehensive approach
@Xerxez_Official7 ай бұрын
Because having a basis (if not fully defined or developed) allows to not go too far when making a character and make a mistake that allows for ‘Mary Sue’s to exist or on a level that isn’t fun or interesting, especially in a good guy vs bad guy story setting. It also allows for characters to grow in power and skills for different power level battles.
@RPGgamerWolf7 ай бұрын
2nd 😤
@theoreticalshade07 ай бұрын
GOAT SHIT
@EightUltra7 ай бұрын
I love dante but... can he beat goku though? 👀
@mcr985ful2 ай бұрын
yes, yes he absolutely can
@unrandom7093Ай бұрын
He Destroys 😂😂
@TheLostZoro872Ай бұрын
Maybe. That's a challenging question though 🤔
@ItzWeskinEditz15 күн бұрын
Dante didn't defeat moondus.. he only sent moondus back to the demon realm.. he should've been the big bad dm5.. they need to bring moondus back
@John-dd8kh3 ай бұрын
Actually in the dmc5 manga it’s stated that Mundus is dead. I thought the same thing but yeah 💀
@EightUltra3 ай бұрын
Both the dmc2 novel and dmc5 manga state Mundus is dead.
@xenowarrior2823 ай бұрын
@@EightUltra But Mundus said he`ll return
@Maxim-5_Squared3 ай бұрын
How any people will hate me for saying kirby solos?
@user-wu5je1ue9v6 ай бұрын
Lol, these vids are why comic books and some game lore sucks. well he's faster than light but in ultra mode he's 10x speed of light but then with ultra max he's beyond god. Like... How stupid is this
@Dustpuma13 ай бұрын
Idek what you’re saying lol
@EightUltra3 ай бұрын
I think the wildest part of this video in particular has to be the inaccessible speed part. You came to this conclusion by mentioning how Dante gained the ability to stop time. Bit hes still moving, so that puts him in accessible speed. Brother in christ. Thats not how it works. That's just Dante stopping time. There are so many problems with this that I don’t think you realize. Not only would this statement contradict a lot of what happens in the game, but it simply doesn’t even make sense as a concept. By this logic, anybody who can stop time has access to inaccessible speed. Homura now has inaccessible speed because of this. Byleth has inaccessible speed because of this. Jotaro has inaccessible speed because of this. By this logic, Dante wouldn't have any business of beating that demon either. Plus, does this basically mean that anybody who deals with time manipulation automatically places a character at inaccessible speed? Come on. We got to put some realism into account when it comes to this game instead of pulling out weird statements.
@eyesofdeathperception67306 ай бұрын
My brother in Christ. You brought up realism when talking about inaccessible speed, a concept that is literally fictional and impossible in the real world. Also yes if you can move in stopped time you have access to inaccessible speed. “But he’s still moving” Brother. It’s a video game. Can you actually see something moving at inaccessible speed? No. Goku is FTL, can you see FTL speeds? No. The game has to actually be able to function. Every piece of fiction with superhuman feats has to be able to actually show what it’s trying to convey.
@EightUltra6 ай бұрын
@EightUltra When I say realism, I'm specifically referring within the context of DMC. For example, why exactly would Dante suddenly have inaccessible speed? Does he have a super speed ability that makes him go that fast? Any passive that keeps him unaffected by his own timestop? The idea that having access to timestop = inaccessible speed is just goofy. Only proving that the powerscaling community has gone downhill. Timestop is an ability. This would make Shania getting punched make no sense at all. Because according to you, she has "inaccessible" now. No need for any vehicle either. Sense you're so fast that none of those things aren't even needed. Despite Jotaro being physically slow byself himself, and have multiple limitations, he's inaccessible in speed. So he should've easily have been able to come up to Kira and absolutely wash him without any issues. You realize how goofy this sounds? The only way you can come to this conclusion is through some insane levels of wank. Just because you aren't impacted by your OWN ABILITY doesn't mean that you have inaccessible speed.
@eyesofdeathperception67306 ай бұрын
Dante has 2 inaccessible speed feats, and 1 omnipresent feat. 1. He blitzes Argosax, who’s stated to have “instantaneous movement that transcends time and distance.” 2. He defeats Pluto, whose speed “bypasses the dimensional axis of time.” 3. He defeats Void Mundus, who’s omnipresent. To top it off, he has Quicksilver, Bangle of Time, Chrono Heart, and the Key of Cronus.
@Doctor_Mobius4 ай бұрын
@@Doctor_Mobius Couldn't have said it better myself. Thinking this other guy just has a hard time comprehending things. Luckily you were here for him.
@gravemistakes84272 ай бұрын
First off Quicksilver doesnt stop time or even slow it down its specifically stated in the dmc3 guide book it makes dante move so fast time seems to slow down 2nd Even if it stopped time we shouldnt assume dante's own ability would affect him Basically meaning hes just immune to his own quicksilver but that doesnt give him inaccisble speed
@pimpdemon94584 ай бұрын
I know you had to have some Kratos fans trying to jump your ass about that statement XD
@gravemistakes84272 ай бұрын
Dimensional concepts for scaling characters has gotta be some of the most idiotic shit I've ever heard.
@brandonb70793 ай бұрын
Powerscalers on their way to have the worst takes just to make a character hyperversal even though they arent even planetary
@poopfart98013 ай бұрын
Bros mad that no one wanks his obscure favorite characters
@CursedShinobiClown3 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@TheLostZoro872Ай бұрын
Dmc has been debunked to 4D. Smt is not canon to dmc sadly
Very cool video! Always happy to see the DMC verse getting love
Thanks bro 🙏 Cool to have a fellow DMC KZheadr notice my tiny channel lol. Appreciate you 🤝
@@EightUltra keep it up dude, and hope to see more!
Hi digital love your vds
Yoo the dmc goat. Love ur vids digital
@@EightUltraDmc Is G.O.A.T.E.D🐐💯🔥🔥
You missed some feats from novels and pinnacle of combat that would skyrocket DMC5's scaling even further. Even if you were to ignore pinnacle of combat's 9D statement dante and vergil would still technically be at complex multiversal levels because the demon world through the lore in DMC3 and DMC1 is dimensionally higher than the human world, it has its own laws of physics, not only a different flow of time but multiple flows of time as well as other timelines and higher dimensions and pocket dimensions such as nervana. The demon world itself is a multiverse.
Yeah as well as getting them to immeasurable speed. Unfortunately I could not for the life of me find some scans, so I had to downplay them a bit as I wanted to give a lowest and highest interpretation
@@EightUltra my favorite feats are from the DMC2 novel, you should give it a read if you haven't, dante accomplishes some impressive stuff.
@@justtrin2221 I’ll have to give it a look I haven’t heard much about it 👀
@@justtrin2221Could you list them?
@@marcus7984he beats an omnipresent and nigh omnipotent being named Void Mundus and Chen. Chen is a Human who are the beastheads which allows you to rewrite all of reality see through all timelines and it grants whatever the wielder needs if they’re backed into a corner. Dante beats him and Chen also used the Sparda family’s sword style he also had infinite IQ
The crazy thing about dante speed is that in POC he was able to defeat Pluto who are so fast that he can travel and bypass the axis of time stream
I wanted to show that to but couldn’t find the scan for the life of me
@@EightUltra What's a scan?
He didn't defeat Pluto he stalemates him
Pinnacle of combat or peak of combat?
@@gonhunter3994 no... no,he definitely beat him,I've actually played the game and yes,he does in fact beat him
I needed this bad, im writing Twitter thread about Sephiroth vs Vergil not being close 💀
That sounds like a W thread at least you don’t gotta play through all the games and find all the scans anymore lmao
I see the Death battle left many of us sore 😅.
@@EightUltrafrfr Death battle talking out their ass if they think vergil looses to Sephiroth. Damn boy is more like Simpiroth
@@narusas1222honestly 😭😭
@@keashaneverts4452 And yet, Somehow Sephiroth has Time Travel Magic. Hell, he can literally Speed Himself up!
There’s a lot of other feats missing but it’s a really good video nonetheless we missed some stuff like Dante and the gang being able to kill metaphysical beings or Dante and Vergil I’m DMC3 transcending the concept of time and more
Yeah there’s a lot more we can pull from even some Peak of Combat stuff like Pluto bypassing the time stream and Dante still being able to keep up with him
@@EightUltra Most Definitely I just didn't wish to use anything from POC because so many people love to say it's non canon tho we have statements saying otherwise 😭
Another feat for their speed. In DMC 5, the demon Fury is stated to be the fastest demon in the entirety of hell, which capable of crossing hell and reaching it's border in matter of seconds, and if you know, hell is the same size of the overworld, which is the entire universe. And Dante plays with the Furies as if they were joke demons (not the same to the players)
This might just be my favorite video from you thus far, you really put in your research and I must give props for that. Plus who doesn't love Dante and Virgil?
Thank you so much man 🙏 It helps that I’ve already scaled Dante and Vergil before it was just a matter of finding all the scans again. And exactly unless a new game just released new DMC content is somewhat rare so I’m more than happy to remedy that 🙏
The best video for powerscaling Dante and vergil
Thank you goat 🙏
very well researched and edited video high quality stuff. i feel compelled to subscribe.
Thanks bro I really appreciate it 🙏
Great video! Dante and Vergil are the best.
I've enjoyed the video. Really well done. In the last months of 2023 a lot of PoC has been brought in question , not only with the lack of somethings in the current Beta (like a Book with enemy descriptions that would give Dante and Vergil more hax), as well the validity of the scans has been brought into question (like the ones of 9D souls and Pluto Speed) very recently. So I guess it makes sense for the skepticism. Exclduing PoC, I would like to mention a few things (don't need to agree with them): -A. If you go with the most basic interpretation, it seems that Dante and Vergil would likely be Multiversal. However, there are, possibly, in theroy, two ways (and this is mostly my opinion and after looking around some other sites and arguments) for them to be of a higher scale, close to Low Complex Multiversal, and maybe above: 1. If we take the interaction between of the Human World and Demon World not as two parallel universes, but both stacked on each other. If the Human World is your classic 3D/4D structure (3 of space and 1 of time) and the Demon World is a higher Dimension (since it is hintend that the souls of the dead go to there and mentioned as endless in some descriptions of item and enemies) with, inside of it, several dimensional structures (like the nirvanas and other D. World locations from DMC3) some Universe sized (like the Mirror World from DMC1, the reflection of the Human World and is one entrance to the D. World Dante used). That could make the base of the verse be Low Complex. 2. If the Ruler of Hell who Mundus defeated was the same demon that, according to the DMC3 Manga, splited the two words (which we usually refer as Pluto), that means that both brothers are likley way more powerful than the base of formation of the verse: Mundus defeated Pluto, rivaled Argosax, and was beaten by Sparda. In DMC1 is commented how Dante was as strong or more so than Sparda (according to Griffon, in his death scene); Here he should be close or slightly higher than his father. Rivals Mundus power at worse. During DMC2 years, though, Dante casually beat Argosax, whose Despair Embodied form (the fire one) made him more powerful than his original form that was equal to Mundus; and considered it easy and forgettable (Before the Nightmare). He also beat Void Mundus (way more powerful than regular Mundus) in the 2nd novel and also was considered easy (even this Mundis admitted that Dante didn't rival his power, actually was above him). It all seems to indicate that Dante power grew passively and in high marging, considering the gap between DMC1 and DMC2. And then possibly so on through 4 and 5. That before gaining SDT form. From this, it is possible to believe he is way, way higher than the just Multiversal scale by the end of 5. -B. They should have Immesurable speed. I've seen some discussion pages with links to a image with an image of Argosax Entry Enemy data, in, apparently, the DMC2 Complete Guide, page 98, with the following: 醜悪なアルゴサクス・ザ・ケイオスを触媒とすることで具現化した、 真なる姿。 両性具有の完璧な肉体と光り輝く姿を持つ。 その神々しいばかりの姿とは裏腹に､ 破壊と混沌、絶望のみを欲する究極の魔。 魔界を支配するまでになった実力は伊達ではなく、 時間や距離をも超越した瞬間移動、身に纏う光を収束しての攻撃によりダンテを翻弄する。 "It's true form, embodied by the catalyst of the abomination Argosax the Chaos. It is a hermaphrodite with a perfect body and shining figure. Despite the godlike appearance, destruction, chaos and despair is the desire of the ultimate demon. His ability to dominate the demon world is not for nothing, instantaneous movement that transcends time and distance, he plays with Dante by converging the light that surrounds him." -C. If we go through all the lore, including weapons, itens and enemies descriptions, both brother, by now, should have defense/resitance, to some degree, against most forms of hax. Including, Space, Reality (these from the Demon lords, like Mundus) Time, Mind (Argosax created paradoxes and linked the present and past; also could cause madness on humans), Soul (of course, as mentioned) and others. Sorry for the long comment.
I knew it was a good idea to include both interpretations just in case. I actually made this video before (to my knowledge at least( POC was being debunked, Even still though yeah I did miss some stuff. With all of the abilities and Hax that both brothers have as well as some statements about the demon world I’m sure it wouldn’t be to hard to get them to complex multi.
@@EightUltra This is the way to go nowdays, it was indeed very good to do the video like this. PoC probably will have a final version with hopefully more descriptions to add (for the people that accept as canon). I've look around a few pages, but the one, so far, from Comic Vine called "devil may cry's true scaling unleashed" cover multiple interpretations of scaling related to the Demon World creation better. It could be worthy to take a look, ignoring the 9D stuff and most PoC stuff. If interested. Once again, very well done video.
I’m glad you bring up the Argosax feat since people will obviously continue to attempt at debunking PoC until it’s American release. It’s even more impressive knowing Dante blitzes Argosax, further cementing he has inaccessible/ immeasurable speed. Another good demonstration is during the DMC2 novel, when Dante combats Void Mundus. Void Mundus is the alternate timeline itself, and the void the two fight in. He’s omnipresent. This would make Dante’s reaction time at least nigh-omnipresent himself.
@@Doctor_MobiusGood on mentiontiong Void Mundus. The novel is often overlooked And to add to that you mentioned, in one possible translation for the DMC Novel 2 in japanese, page 199: 魔王は...ムンドゥスは理解できなかった。 彼こそは絶対の存在であり、永遠に、時の流れからさえ独立した支配者として、森羅万象のすべてを統べることができるはずであったのだ。 しかし今ここに、彼と比肩し得る力を備えた相手がいる。 いや、もしかするとこの相手は、彼をも凌ぐ力を備えているのかもしれない。 "The Demon King, Mundus, could not understand this. He was supposed to be an absolute being, an eternal ruler free from even the flow of time, and to rule over all things in creation. Yet now, here was an opponent who had power that could rival his-- Nay, perhaps this opponent is even more powerful than he is." This is mentioned in the official english release (pg. 145). it confirms Dante as more powerful, I don't even think he uses his full power/potential in either Void Mundus or Argosax, both he claims, in the 2nd novel and Before the Nightmare, as "easy", and he just kept becoming more powerful in DMC4 and 5, even before unlocking Sin Devil Trigger.
This is a Massive W I love DMC and this video was so hype
So glad to hear it man I have a lot of other DMC vids on my channel and actually uploading a big one right now 🙏
@@EightUltra Can't wait man!
I am not a powerscale kind of person but this video was pretty awesome
That’s surprising considering you’re a DB fan 👀
@@EightUltra I can handle some powerscaling but in DB powerscaling died after the Buu saga I'd say
@@BlazedApples yeah because super scaling is so terrible 💀
There's two more feats I'd like to mention. One is beating Chen the Cannibal, someone who consumed a devil arm known as the beastheads. The arm in question gives the user power and speed rivaling Mundus, all the knowledge of the world, ALL OF IT including, Sparda's and Dante's skills in combat, as well as giving past present and future vision, and Dante managed to best him. The other is obviously Void Mundus: not exactly creative or special, just a more powerful Mundus from another dimension, which Dante solo'd with little difficulty.
Great video man
Thanks bro I appreciate it 🙏
great video
8:12 And coincidentally, being faster than the speed of light means that their universe has different laws of physics. So, we don't know how their physics actually works, it may look similar to ours in some way, but just the fact that something in that universe CAN be faster than light means, theirs are fundamentally different. We can't even know if the mass of one litre of water of their universe and of our universe have the same mass. And because we don't know it, we don't have the knowledge to actually compare them to other franchises (or our universe) either.
W lets go I beat dmc 5 for the first time today still fumbling my combos but it's fun regardless
LES GOOOO big W don’t forget to hop in the void to practice you’ll get better s lot faster 🙏
could you do sephiroph vs dante and how that would go in a deathbattle, since vergil lost which i feel was rigged its interesting to know how dante would fight him im huge on the whole styles makes fight thing just like in boxing
I usually somewhat dislike the whole power scaling thing because it just feels unnecessary and reading far to deep into fights that are never gonna happen. However I see Dante and Vergil underestimated in pretty much everything so in this case I like it. Anyway, good video
Ultra mega based video. Nero next?
It’s very possible 🌚
Dante used SDT against post-fruit Urizen, this is shown in the dmc Visions of V manga
I'd like to see someone scale Dante and Vergil against the Nasuverse ( Fate Grand Order ) mostly against the Aricude ( Tupe Earth ) and other true ancestors. It's pretty clear now that Death battle did do their research properly b4 that fight.
I’m super unfamiliar with Fate but I hear Fate characters are some of the most absolutely broken characters in fiction lol
@@EightUltra Yeah, I'm not too deep into fate but the power scaling in that verse is utterly ridiculous
No way in the seven hells Sephiroth could beat Vergil.
@@yaqubebased1961 you can’t beat the storm that is approaching
Actually I thought Dante used a small glimpse of devil trigger in the Abigail fight you could see the light that comes down when you use devil trigger
Dmc peak of combat Considered canon since it has been approved by capcom and itsuno himself
W video W everything i just got a few questions does rebelion have a known durability limit and could anyone EOS crack or destroy it Do dopplegangers have same durability and speed as the og dante/vergil
As far as we know it’s durability limit is Urizen. So you’d have to be complex multi to be able to destroy it Doppelgängers are weird, because for Dante they’re shadows of himself and for Vergil it’s different. They have the same speed and strength but you can’t actually damage them. They’re like ethereal. In the case of Dante’s it’s stated that it’s literally a shadow that can hurt you, and with Vergil it’s like ethereal like mirage edge
@@EightUltra i see they really are busted
Kinda forgot to mention the demon world is in infinite space
After all that and there are still ppl that think kratos is stronger than dante which is beyound funny, kratos has no chance in hell beating dante at base forum not to mention DT or SIN DT
So basically what your saying is they're at least 9d and at max 18d-45d or more which reverts back to 11 or 12 (infinitesimal) (incalc) meaning they're stronger than anyone in comics and manga combined.
Exactly
SSS video! New sub right here! I’m glad you did a lot of research. Just for your knowledge, there’s a channel called “Zimatorn” and he has a lot of In-depth DMC powerscalling.
Thanks man! Yeah I’m actually subbed to his channel lol. There’s also another great channel with DMC content called DigitalYT 🙏
@@EightUltra awesome! It’s great to be connected and explore the lore! Yes, he’s SSS as well! Keep up the good work!
to the kratos statement: you forgot that he has been to a place beyond dimensions in his canon crossover playstation allstars, otherwise everything great
i only clicked on this video to say that before i zoomed in, i thought your user icon was a dog wearing a femto mask and i though that was preddy cool. but godzilla is also cool.
To me I aways thought the difference between Dante and Vergil was Speed Vs Power with Vergil clearly being the faster one and Dante being the my physically stronger one.
Just subscribed
My goat 🙏
🗿@@EightUltra
Smth to note. They will keep getting stronger, since I’m not sure if there is a confirmed time where Dante and Vergin hit old ages, but since human blood powers demon blood, and both mingle in their veins, they will as I said previously, keep getting stronger as times goes on.
Underrated
Way to much 🔥
my guy put a whole amv in this
Yessir Dante and Vergil go way to hard 🔥
2:42 no that's NOT ok dawg just because they don't think it's canon doesn't mean it's non-canon 💀
The problem is we don’t have a 100% answer of the devs or Capcom stating it is or isn’t canon. We have a statement of them saying it takes place between DMC3 and 1, which there are plenty of series that have what if material that takes place during a certain period of the story that’s non-canon. Personally I think it’s canon, but I mainly did that so my comment section wasn’t filled with people saying “it’s NoT CaNon”
Dimension scaling needs to go in the garbage. Sure, some characters are just way stronger than others and esoteric abilities can get weird; but this higher dimension stuff is honestly absurd. Claiming Kratos wouldn't even be able to perceive or interact with Dante because Dante is 4 dimensions over his head is an utterly deranged statement.
Don’t blame me that’s just how dimensionality works in fiction lol
Idk, I kinda like it. Sounds badass.
Dmc 5 Dante solos the dbz universe
Imagine how powerful will be Nero`s SDT...
Nero should be easy to scale He’s obviously weaker than Dante during dmc 4 but slowly getting the hang of it to dmc 5 where he’s still slightly under Dantes level. Until the end of the 5th game where (Albeit Dante and Vergil were already injured and weakened) was able to keep up and damage both of them. So safe to say Nero is still weaker than Dante and Vergil but definitely have gotten really close to their level.
Can you do the Bayonetta series?
Absolutely though that will be after a few videos 🙏
@@EightUltra No problem, I also hope to see your opinion on the topic of devil may cry vs Bayonetta
That would be interesting, Death Battle did that a long time ago but that was before Bayo 2 and 3 and dmc5 i think. I'll have to look into Bayo scaling I imagine she can get pretty high@@EmitNen
smt is canon is that enough?
Noice
You should do a Nero and V video like this
That could be fun 👀
Me myself and I
i love that at least people are recognizing them as strong. still, i hate when people start saying "insert dimensions level" or whatever with power scaling these days. even when i agree with the results, it feels so limited and stupid, and rejects so much context, both in universe and IRL. like not everything fits into it and its also just like... self defeating... using its own logic EVERY fictional character is 2d at best. like foder enemies wouldnt be shit to kratos but people think "well 9d blah blah blah" despite the fact that we directly see they cant at ALL preform near on his level. and i say that being a significantly higher dmc fan than ANYTHING else ive ever seen, read, or played. and no, vergil didnt move faster than the speed of light to kill beauwolf. theyve SHOWN vergil using super speed both in gameplay and cut scenes. if they wanted it to be super speed, theyd make it look different than him simply jumping, which they do in other instances. yes dante and vergil can easily break the speed of light ranges, but thy arent constantly that fast, thats why dante can be surprised and capped in the face by a normal human. they have to actively choose to get to that level. theres also just some factually twisted statements in this video. yes, the hell vanguard are embodiments of their sin, BUT their forms that you fight are NOT, and vergil states this and the downside to this in the prequel manga, and dont try saying its not canon as its been stated, any statement that is not strictly contradicted or denied, its still canon, even if the book isnt as a whole. Vergil states that being concepts, they cant do anything to the physical world, as such they need to limit themselves, making the pathetic bodies that make up the vanguard, and he even goes on to state that with every vessel killed, it could potentially limit the power said sin has to begin with. and summons sword being examples of SOUL manipulation? no its fucking not, yes its using his power but its not his SOUL. thats a much different level right there. and he cant manipulate light using beowulf, manipulating light means any light, all light, not just throwing a ball or light following your hands and feet. the weapons emit light energies, they dont MANIPULATE them. shooting something out isnt manipulation at all, i cant manipulate light or electricity just because i can set a flashlight to high or low power. and hey, using that dimensional logic, im beyond anything, as im LITERALLY 3d and NO fictional character is actually beyond 2d. unless i guess you count a cardboard cutout or some shit. even vr, it LOOKS 3d but isnt actually, at all. until its actually real, it will ALWAYS, by LITERAL DEFINITION be 2d.
I got people saying Kratos is outer which i disagree
@@ItzWeskinEditz this whole power scaling shit is stupid. by its own definition everyone is only 2 dimension at best
@@BloodDragon-rp4xc yup. I still think Dante beats Kratos
@@ItzWeskinEditz me too, but i dont think it has anything to do with that weird demission thing. cause that would mean kratos couldnt even beat a Beelzebub bug from DMC1 which obviously kratos could stop one no problem
Beowulf uses the power of light but never actually moves at the speed of light. He goes on all fours during the bossfight to gain some extra speed for crying out loud. Also, he does have one attack where a bunch of light beams are shot at you. These are hard as fuck to dodge and you're likely to be hit by at least a few of them. However in DMC5 it is stated Dante can move at hyperspeed in SDT, which by definition means faster than light. So you could scale 5Dante's speed to light in Sin Devil Trigger.
and vergil he is much faster than dante because he can stop time and cut dimensions with his yamato and another beowulf and mirrage blade and mirrage edge and also judgment cut end I thought he would be much faster than dante vergil because that eke yem motivation and also him being a storm in fact author dusse vergil and dante are multiversal
@@luisfabiobrito8499 What? None of that proved Vergil to be faster than Dante.
@@liltone829OK. It's true that Vergil and Dante have hyperspeed which means faster than the speed of light
@@luisfabiobrito8499 Alright.
@@liltone829ok
0:01 Its Legendary dark knight not just legendary devil hunter like it mentioned in Dmc5,, Its really disgusting how capcom and itsuno downgraded Dante's position
I think both titles fit pretty well but I admit I do kinda like Legendary Devil Hunter more since I feel it fits Dante better and is a unique title for him. I feel like Legendary Dark Knight would fit Vergil a bit more since he’s always looked up to his father and the way he acts and dresses.
“Devil Hunter” has always been the more accurate title for Dante. I know he’s accomplished much higher feats than his father who was the Legendary Dark Knight, but still it’s always been Dante’s thing to exterminate each and every demon who infiltrates the human world
If Mundus also ate the fruit, what makes urizen so much more powerful than him?
Likley that Mundus gained most of his power through the fruit, whereas Urizen was already as powerful as Vergil with a fruit stacked ontop
@@EightUltra true
doesnt the 9th dimensional thing come from a non canon source
DMC fans try not to glaze Sparda sons challenge level impossible (im a dmc fan)
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*et cetera... not "exetera"
UMVC3 vergil still clears
Gotta correct this: Urizen breaking the Rebellion isn't a feat greater than what Mundus is capable of. Mundus broke the Yamato, a comparable, if not superior, sword. Moreover, we cannot attribute this power to Urizen himself, as his power was being boosted by the Qlipoth, so it's really the tree's power. And given how we never faced Mundus at his full power, it's actually entirely possible he's stronger than post 5 Dante and Vergil.
garfield still solos though
I really dislike power scaling, it's so unnecessary. Why can't we just have everyone be friends and bad guys never winning because they are wrong? Anyway good video.
Thank you lmao 🙏
Because what you suggested is boring and power scaling is interesting.
Your comment needs more likes fr. Because I honestly hate debate after goddamn debate. Like honestly, people just need to enjoy the motherfucking shows, games, movies, etc, and just shut the fuck up. 😒
Power scaling exists for those who want to better understand a character/weapon/etc and the capability or destructive power in a much more comprehensive approach
Because having a basis (if not fully defined or developed) allows to not go too far when making a character and make a mistake that allows for ‘Mary Sue’s to exist or on a level that isn’t fun or interesting, especially in a good guy vs bad guy story setting. It also allows for characters to grow in power and skills for different power level battles.
2nd 😤
GOAT SHIT
I love dante but... can he beat goku though? 👀
yes, yes he absolutely can
He Destroys 😂😂
Maybe. That's a challenging question though 🤔
Dante didn't defeat moondus.. he only sent moondus back to the demon realm.. he should've been the big bad dm5.. they need to bring moondus back
Actually in the dmc5 manga it’s stated that Mundus is dead. I thought the same thing but yeah 💀
Both the dmc2 novel and dmc5 manga state Mundus is dead.
@@EightUltra But Mundus said he`ll return
How any people will hate me for saying kirby solos?
Lol, these vids are why comic books and some game lore sucks. well he's faster than light but in ultra mode he's 10x speed of light but then with ultra max he's beyond god. Like... How stupid is this
Idek what you’re saying lol
I think the wildest part of this video in particular has to be the inaccessible speed part. You came to this conclusion by mentioning how Dante gained the ability to stop time. Bit hes still moving, so that puts him in accessible speed. Brother in christ. Thats not how it works. That's just Dante stopping time. There are so many problems with this that I don’t think you realize. Not only would this statement contradict a lot of what happens in the game, but it simply doesn’t even make sense as a concept. By this logic, anybody who can stop time has access to inaccessible speed. Homura now has inaccessible speed because of this. Byleth has inaccessible speed because of this. Jotaro has inaccessible speed because of this. By this logic, Dante wouldn't have any business of beating that demon either. Plus, does this basically mean that anybody who deals with time manipulation automatically places a character at inaccessible speed? Come on. We got to put some realism into account when it comes to this game instead of pulling out weird statements.
My brother in Christ. You brought up realism when talking about inaccessible speed, a concept that is literally fictional and impossible in the real world. Also yes if you can move in stopped time you have access to inaccessible speed. “But he’s still moving” Brother. It’s a video game. Can you actually see something moving at inaccessible speed? No. Goku is FTL, can you see FTL speeds? No. The game has to actually be able to function. Every piece of fiction with superhuman feats has to be able to actually show what it’s trying to convey.
@EightUltra When I say realism, I'm specifically referring within the context of DMC. For example, why exactly would Dante suddenly have inaccessible speed? Does he have a super speed ability that makes him go that fast? Any passive that keeps him unaffected by his own timestop? The idea that having access to timestop = inaccessible speed is just goofy. Only proving that the powerscaling community has gone downhill. Timestop is an ability. This would make Shania getting punched make no sense at all. Because according to you, she has "inaccessible" now. No need for any vehicle either. Sense you're so fast that none of those things aren't even needed. Despite Jotaro being physically slow byself himself, and have multiple limitations, he's inaccessible in speed. So he should've easily have been able to come up to Kira and absolutely wash him without any issues. You realize how goofy this sounds? The only way you can come to this conclusion is through some insane levels of wank. Just because you aren't impacted by your OWN ABILITY doesn't mean that you have inaccessible speed.
Dante has 2 inaccessible speed feats, and 1 omnipresent feat. 1. He blitzes Argosax, who’s stated to have “instantaneous movement that transcends time and distance.” 2. He defeats Pluto, whose speed “bypasses the dimensional axis of time.” 3. He defeats Void Mundus, who’s omnipresent. To top it off, he has Quicksilver, Bangle of Time, Chrono Heart, and the Key of Cronus.
@@Doctor_Mobius Couldn't have said it better myself. Thinking this other guy just has a hard time comprehending things. Luckily you were here for him.
First off Quicksilver doesnt stop time or even slow it down its specifically stated in the dmc3 guide book it makes dante move so fast time seems to slow down 2nd Even if it stopped time we shouldnt assume dante's own ability would affect him Basically meaning hes just immune to his own quicksilver but that doesnt give him inaccisble speed
I know you had to have some Kratos fans trying to jump your ass about that statement XD
Dimensional concepts for scaling characters has gotta be some of the most idiotic shit I've ever heard.
Powerscalers on their way to have the worst takes just to make a character hyperversal even though they arent even planetary
Bros mad that no one wanks his obscure favorite characters
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Dmc has been debunked to 4D. Smt is not canon to dmc sadly