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7.1 Surround is the biggest snakeoil in audio history
+leo sky This^
+leo sky it would be debatable with beats
+leo sky Yes.
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the doctor is mentally ill on corruptionitus
11:48 How surround audio gaming should be
Yeah, that last is TRUE surround sound :D
Star-Lord
I'm the 500th like :)
Lol
Good One
I didn’t know Chris Pratt was a technology dude 😂
i mean he owns a spaceship
Just a another white guy huh. So racists lol
@@DrTopLiftDPT nothing racist about his comment .
Looks more like Badger from Breaking Bad.
@@DrTopLiftDPT How's it racist it had nothing to do with race lmao its just someone who has similar facial features to the actor
So in short: Gaming headphones have a mic that doesn't always sound good, and real headphones have better sound quality.
I'm using an arctis headset I'll be ordering some moondrop starfield iems which can plug into my headset so ill get that audio and have a really good mic thats noise cancelation is amazing from the headset
Yea pretty much, best choice is go for some mid price headphone (around 100 to 150, maybe 200$) with detachable cable and get a modmic or v-moda Or get a modmic anyway but using something like the Koss KSC75, cheap and sound great for the price.
Dude you’re Star-Lord!!
What the hell Guys?
Bloody hell you're right. He's Star Lord!!!
Lol. Yeah he kinda look like him.
True
Who?
CORRECTION: ModMic 4.0 is actually $49 and not $100. Not sure what I was thinking... we have a ModMic review in the description. it's quite nice!
+HardwareCanucks Why are your eyes red, where you up all night?
+HardwareCanucks What Desktop mic do you use?! its so crisp and deep!
+HardwareCanucks Great research and nice video. I've been playing with a AKG K601 (160$) with a dedicated desktop microphone (20$, but sounds ok) for 10 years and doing well. But I'm really a stickler when it comes to audio quality. Any cans which are decently reviewed are worth to try out. And since LAN parties aren't really a thing anymore, the isolation aspect is nearly irrelevant. BUT: I haven't played a FPS on a high competitive level in 8 years. Last was CS:S and COD 4. I used a Speedlink Medusa 5.1 analog headset with an amp and a dedicated sound card (X-Fi). The surround made a difference, but not as much as ads want to tell you (as with all peripherals). And since a lot of BS (RGB is the biggest by far, but lets not forget windows killing good surround sound..) has been introduced, the sound quality has really gone down. In short: I'd buy a good pair of cans with a separate mic. Modmic 4.0 sounds like a great product. Cheers.
+HardwareCanucks Im using my Senneheiser headphones (non gaming) with Dolby Digital Plus Home Theater gaming equalizater. What do you think it a good idea or it only ruin the sound quality?
Haha! Man, I was about to say, I just purchased the ModMic 4.0 today. I was gonna comment which one did you buy... Thought I got the wrong one...
8:24 for sound quality
Thanks bro 😁😁
Corsair Vengeance 2100 and love it. I have a small child and need wireless. It sounds good and the mic picks up clearly without any breathing noise. I also like that when the mic is rotated up out of the way it automatically mutes. No more unwanted listening in.
I got the void elite wireless and it's amazing. The mute is nice and the way they fit over the ears is superb
I know it's not relevant to the video but your camera quality and lighting are superb. some of the best I've ever seen on KZhead.
Thank you 🙏 -D.
That's why I subbed to this guy way back in the day. Gamer's Nexus isn't bad but I hate watching 60fps, it makes me cringe for some reason.
Yeah, SavageGeese is the only one who could give him a run for his money, but he makes totally different content so you can't really compare them.
DJ Nuck Chorris What do you mean? What's the difference when watching?
But it is relevant...
That was cool and educational. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed!
Marcel de Graaf Audiophile headphones 100%
Generally for gaming some things to take note: -Comfort for wearing long hours, higher end audiophile headphones have a slight advantage since earpads can be changed -Good soundstage -Clear mids that do not feel hollow -Good treble extension: treble should be present and felt but not overly shrill or raspy sounding, also contributes to listening comfort -Bass needs to be fast and clear, should not bleed into mids, or feel boomy Something like HD600 series would be good. HD800 would not really be the best for some people not used to the treble peak, but this could be alleviated with change of earpads or mods I think.
People spend insane money on hardware to get proper visuals (high refresh rate screen and high fps to match it, high resolution and proper GPU to drive it, maybe HDR...). Why not spend to get proper audio as well? I'd say go for proper cans, and while you're at it, proper DAC and amps to drive them.
The issue is that the best headphones generally don't come with a microphone. Also sound is a lot more subjective and harder to get an impression of through online reviews and videos than frames per second, resolution and texture quality. You have to try a new headset on for a couple of days and then switch back to your old one before you're able to fully appreciate the difference in quality; something which generally isn't possible for most people without already committing to the purchase. This makes upgrading to a new pair of cans when you think the ones you've got already a very tough decision for a lot of people, whereas a simple picture on a website easily shows the difference between a new game rendered with a GTX 770 and high-end modern card, making the decision to upgrade visuals that much easier than upgrading sound.
"subjective and harder to get an impression of through online reviews" Which is in a way actually a good thing. Because you can audition them yourself in stores. At least from my neck of the woods, you don't get to do that with gaming headphones.
@@rhoniereyventura1145 many places won't let you try on a pair of expensive gaming headphones, let alone try multiple and borrowing them for a couple of days so you can do a proper comparison to your current setup. This makes informed purchase decisions practically impossible for the average consumer because it takes a while of actual use and then swapping back to your normal pair before you can really make a proper comparison.
Thats what I'm saying. You can't do that with Gaming headphones. While audiophile retailers have audition units you can hook up to your device, run the gamut of music and sound through and essentially have a fair idea how you feel about them. Didn't really know about that till I stumbled into one :D. Most intense experience was Stalker with real gun sounds mod. Nearly shat ma pants lols
Tamás Koppányi bk they spent all the money on the visuals!!😂
This guy looks like Chris Pratt
SEÑOR FLUFFY I was looking for this comment.
no, it is the Chris Pratt who is looking like this guy
so does Sam from corridor digital.
Chris pratt would be 100X cooler if he did tech reviews like Dimitri
SEÑOR FLUFFY brother from another mother.
That ending was hilarious
+Zac VanVeen I like how he said "safe and SOUND" see what he did there?
+someone else yes lol
+Zac VanVeen 7.1 surround is for peasants, introducing 12.1 channel audio by Dmitry.
+Zac VanVeen He should've recorded the ending with all microphones in the headset and combine them into one track.
+Zac VanVeen You ruined the ending by raising my expectations!
Comments on this video: 1%: Nice review 99%: This guy looks like star lord
after i saw that NCIX ad, straight went to the description to check the release date lolz
Rip NCIX
After I saw this comment, went straight to description to check release date
People say you look like Chris Pratt, but actually Chris Pratt looks like you.
You look like Chris Pratt
She's killing for sport
TheRecklessPirate what
+Toaster Master Race guess u haven't seen Jurassic World
TheRecklessPirate I've seen it twice, but don't remember it that well lol
+Toaster Master Race k I was like how does he not know that
Dude the thoroughness and quality of your reviews are super solid. Thanks for putting in the time and effort.
All the comments stemmed about “you look like Chris Pratt”. I say this to that... You do.
Agreed
Is only normal Russian Canadian man name of Dimitri, I have never hear of this Chris of Pratt you speak of!
@@cahsahhhhhhhn the main actor starring in the movie guardian of the galaxy that well befriended a speaking racoon with a gun
Shut up please
0:18 *That shot was amazing*
Thank you for the good and easy explanations on the differences
Wow, I normally can't stand when big channels try to describe audio or headphones because much of the information is a bit misleading, over-simplified, or just plain wrong. This video is very informative and very well done. Good job HWC! My two favorites for gaming: Budget - Philips SHP9500S paired with a V-Moda Boom Pro mic/cable. My current favorite for gaming - Sennheiser HD700 paired with a ModMic 5. I did try the HD800S with ModMic 5 when I owned them but I felt its upper midrange recession didn't help with gaming. The HD700 is better overall. When playing with an Xbox controller, the HD800S was a little too hard to drive. I had to have the volume almost all the way up just to get to moderate volume from the headphones. The HD700 is only half the impedance of the HD800S and works just fine out of an Xbox One wireless controller.
R.I.P whoevers wallet paid for the HD 800.
Funny, im Looking to buy a 800s (currently having a 598). But using an AMP is a given with headphones that price, so driving them will not be the issue.
Oh shit it's Chris Pratt
I was just scrolling to find this comment before writing it!
canadian chris pratt
The walmart version..
same here
So this is what Chris Pratt do when off-screen.
Dat ending though haha
Heyy!
+TekTick He looked like one of those pro gamers during a tournament
+Nigerian Sloth Yup! :)
But it wasn't really original since TekSyndicate used it already for their Video ^~^
+TekTick Headphone bukkake
very good and informative video, awesome job dude!
Very informative and well made great job!
And don't forget, search for 'VR Ready' 😆
it's mainly labelled on pc/laptops to show whether the computer compatible with vr (virtual reality).
@Gurnski Deti That's the joke, it just happened to fly over your head
@Gurnski Deti r/wooooooosh
@Gurnski Deti wooooooshhhhhhhhh
@@thepenguinwithagun7145 we are Not on fucking Reddit
I think I have seen the mod mic now for like 50 bucks which is nice considering its quality
It's excellent :D
over a blue snowball, which would have better audio quality? Since they are around the same price.
Still the mic on the Razer kraken 7.1 and their Man o war headsets and the logitech artemis even sound better then the mod mic.
For 50 bucks might as well buy the blue snowball
Zalman mic1 is cheaper and p sure it has better quality l m f a o
Great video! But I'm waiting now a review of the Lucid Sound headsets from you hahaha, they are great in mic and have Great audio as well
Currently, I'm using the Blue Mix-Fi (I bought them when they were called the Mo-Fi), and a Blue Snowball mic. I love the audio experience and the built in analog amp, BUT, the Blue Mix-Fi's have a relatively high amount of clamping force, and the ear cups are too small for me to use comfortably for hours on end. I am gravitating towards the SteelSeries Arctis Pro + DAC as my next headset, and keep using my Blue Mic as the primary microphone.
yesterday got my dt990 and i love them sooooooo much doupt there can be that good gaming headset for that price + had already mod mic for like 45 euro
Mmmmm.. Love the DT990 series. Which omhs version did you get?
+Ulvis Barkāns Loved my DT990's, but they were unfortunately extremely uncomfortable on my ears :(
Wrathborn771 for me out of the boxs was a bit hard but already after 1 day perfect because headphones are really light just cable is damn heavy but all coiled part rests on my desk +HardwareCanucks Cheapest :D 250Ohm but i got fiio e10k as well :)
Ulvis Barkāns Yeah, but my ears are retarded (pointing a bit out/away from my head), so I need much space inside the cups for headphones to be comfortable. :(
+Wrathborn771 I had to mod mine with some extra padding up top. I just used a spare pad from a crap Sennheiser set and now they're mad comfy.
I feel like you missed out on the Astro A50. They are good headphones and I always like it’s a must when it comes to gaming headphones comparisons.
meanwhile I'm using an old fatality/creative headset covered in dog hair, repaired with superglue very dated but still works. The beagle hair adds to the sound experience.
Try the Plantronics RIG 500HX or higher. It's amazing in games like Battlefield 1 and other FPS's. My favorite so far and I've had mine for a year and they're modular and I do plan on getting the esports ear cups and the new wireless RIG 800LX
I use the Bowers&Wilkins PX, they are really great for music basically, but also very neutral and analytic sounding, so the impactful overall sound keeps me using these with a webcam microphone which is actually very detailed...
he77b0y It’s been a year since your comment. How’s the build? Some complained about there being a flimsy hinge. And any other comments you wanna make?
The G4ME ONE headset at 6:15 (and its siblings) has a flexible mic boom, so while the popping and blowing sounds pretty extreme in the clip, it could easily be fixed by flexing the mic further away from the face.
I personally have G432 headphones, and I love them. It claims it has 7.1(not sure if it's real or virtual) but it works great, I'm sound whoring in games so knowing where the sound is comming from is important to me. It also has subwoofer, which I love, and logitech gaming hub provides great customizability options for my headset. Microphone is not as good, but it's OK. The feature I LOVE is "sidetone", which repeats my microphone input to my headphones with minimal delay, which is great in-game when I don't hear myself because my headphones have a great noise insulation.
Just want to add one thing though: Although its very true gaming headsets are mostly marketing gimmicks there are some that truly are engineered for games in general. I had a talk with a Sennheiser engineer since i wondered about the same. I presented them a HD650 which is a studio headset, a damn good one might i say versus the GSP lineup from Sennheiser. They actually said GSP 500/600 wins in games as they perform way better in sub 80Hz range which the studio set didnt pick up at all. So that was kinda crazy to hear and it should be way more known since most audio fanatics believe studio headsets are the best there is......... but theyre response was basicly...studio headsets are made for music, thats it!
Very scientific approach and thorough discussion; well done, sir :D
i have lost count on how many times i tried to explain this to gamers i know and they just end up buying them anyway. Anyway, whenever i use headphones to game i use earbuds (can´t use full sized cans since i live in a damn hot place) some chinese brands have some budget beasts.
I live in Australia and before I made more frequent use of my aircon my ears used to sweat a lot with headphones on while gaming and often caused ear infections. I would like to use ear buds for air circulation but I don’t because the style of earphone blasts the sound directly into your ear canal and causes much greater damage to your ears than full size headphones. I either don’t wear them in really hot weather or put the air conditioning on as I don’t want to damage my hearing by using ear buds.
Hit like for your outro! And good sound level throughout video, easy to listen to. !!
great video. learned a lot!
First video I’ve watched of yours and I gotta say this video was great and very informative
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He kinda looks like Chris Pratt...
you mean crisp rat
Graphical crisp ratt
Cunuck Pratt
Graphical Why Chris Pratt? Pls understand the reference xd
Demolition Ranch looks more like Chris Pratt
I've been using the Teufel Aureol Real headphones for a few years now and I really really like them. I chose them, because my old headphones got really uncomfortable if you wore them for a few hours, (and there were plenty of nights that I played like 7 or 8 hours with my buddies) and in summer my ear always got really hot under the headphones. The Teufel headphones are open backed, so no hot air gets trapped inside and although some people didn't like it, they are almost completely made out of plastic, so they are very light; the have never gotten uncomfortable to wear. They were 80 bucks when I bought them, but unfortunately Teufel doesn't produce them anymore.
I found Starlord with very useful information, I’m about to buy some gaming headsets and this made me realize what to have in mind before to buy anything. Although it would have been very great to mention the prices of the products so I don’t have to go to other sites looking for them. Thank you so much!
What would you recomend for best surround sound? I'm currently playing Rainbow Six Siege where the sound also works verry differently compared to other shooters. Only reason I'm looking for a new headphone.
Hyperx cloud stinger
ZeusZ a bit late but the Sennheiser HD 598 are amazing for Rainbow as I own a pair and also play rainbow.
Ath ad-500x. You will hear everything and know precisely where it is. Light on bass though.
ZeusZ I also play R6 and I'm thinking of grabbing a pair of HS50's from Corsair.They are on sale for 40$ in my country.Should I get them or are there any alternatives? Let me know.
Literally any headphone and a program called spatial sound-card
that moment when you have a cloud 2 and then you find out that they were soupossed to be normal headset :/
I have the TB Stealth 520 which I was using for a while. These have DTS Headphone X and 50mm drivers. I recently bough a pair of Sennheiser HD 4.30s, which is a relatively affordable pair of headphones which I bought for listening to music on my phone, and only have 32mm drivers. However, I recently decided to test my HD 4.30s with my PS4 with a variety of games and blu ray movies. I was blown away at just how much better they sounded compared to the Stealth 520s, despite the smaller drivers and low cost.
Philips SHP9500's are by far the most comfortable and lightweight headphones I've ever bought, and they sound great. Pair them with a V-Moda BoomPro mic cable and its a beast for music and gaming. A DAC/AMP is nice too, and the topping MX3 sounds fantastic. great explanation btw.
Wait, $100 for the ModMic 4.0? You got ripped off, got mine for $40.
Canadian dollars though, it costs 60€ in germany, that would be around 90-100 canadian dollars
Vilius VK Okay, but with the current exchange rate, 40 US dollars is equivalent to ~55 Canadian dollars. No need to be rude though bro.
+Maxi86inAction i got mine for 50$ with shipping to Spain
I got mine for 35 cad through massdrop. 100 is a little over exaggerated
I don't know for certain but I expect in Canada Modmic could be close to $100. The omnidirectional mic is like $50 US. This is like $70 CAD and then there's shipping/duties or whatever to get it to Canada. Furthermore it seems like the past year or so stuff is further inflated in Canada, I'm guessing beacuse the Canadian dollar is very shaky and there's a good chance it could continue to drop in value. like 3 years ago we were worth more than the American dollar, and now we're worth 72 cents. :l
At Christmas time, my Nana and Grandad bought me "Beats Solo HD" headphones. I couldn't face the idea of telling her that I hate the brand, and my £50 Skull Candy headphones are twice as good and yet the Beats cost £160. The annoying bit is, my Mum said she helped chose the gift, and 2 months before christmas, she asked me if I wanted beats and I said how they're the worst brand and they are a complete scam. I'm just going to wait until June or something and buy myself some Sennheisers or anything else.
+Captain Capellini How are they a scam? Just curious, not defending the brand. (I do enjoy beats though, as why my curiosity is sparked)
+Jack Tupper The sound isn't too bad but they over price the headphones *a lot*. I don't remember the mark-up percentage but it is around 300% (if I remember correctly...)
+Jack Tupper They are scam because the actual cost of the components within then is tiny, while the price is huge, with an estimate 3000% profit margin. Not a scam, in the true sense of the word, but certain absurd.
Ethan Thai Let me rephrase that. I should've touched on the worst brand part of the comment instead of the scam part. I will agree that they are extremely overpriced, but I didn't understand the "worst brand" part.
WGB Read my recent reply.
Excellent quality as always, I had some Hyper X cloud II for 3 years almost, until one earcup stoped working, they were great for me since I'm not an audiphile, and I had some beats pro HD or whatever and some bluethoot ones I use when work out, I didn't really bought those because I got them as a gift lol and I after several gaming headphones I had on my life and with their awful clunky and bulky designs I decided to get some Audio-technica M50x and they blow my mind, I'll need a desktop mic or modmic!
i use very old high end Headphones. The Sony Mdr V7. I absolutely love it for the natural sound it produces and which can be tuned to every liking with an Equalizer
I just had this random 40 yr yelling at me on cod about how REAL surround sound was “only for pros” (such as himself) and now I get to send him this
I dont believe he is a pro gamer just some old loser talking trash
I gkt 12 Klipsch speakers that I could make a gaming bubble of speakers. How is that for surround sound?
@disadadi Yea, well depends hardware also software running the sound, but imo real 5.1 headset is good but depends how it is used by the manufacturer.
In my opinion, any pair of headphones should have accurate frequency response instead of tuning it for a specific sound signature by emphasizing bass or treble. In this way, you can actually hear what the developers want you to hear.
Hey Dimitri, watching this in 2020 and realising I've never seen any video from you, about what could be the best non gaming headphones. Is it the right time to make one?
Love your videos. If money wasn't a consideration what set of head phones would you use for gaming or frankly most application?
Personally, I use my Bose QC25 and freestanding mic for my gaming and teamspeak etc. Since I live near other people, it's nice to have the noise cancelling and people always comment on my mic quality being amazing
Wow, I use exactly the same
Same here :)
+Brittany Clark Soundstage is probably horrible, and active noise cancellation adds distortion.
hope you are not playing fps games with that headphones lol
I use the Bose Soundtrue only thing is it doesn't have noise cancelling
If you want to know more about how "Real" headphones can simulate 3D sound. Google "Head Related Transfer Function" or HRTF. It's possible to simulate near-perfect 3D audio experience with well calibrated HRTF. I did an audio engineering project on HRTF at university. Ever since then, I haven't bought into the 5.1 surround thing... Good marketing gimmick though.
Thorgeir Skulason what headphones were you using
Simply the BEST comparison video between gaming and regular headphones. Essential to help me make a decision. THANK YOU
Haha. Great content in this video. but really it's the awesome ending that made me like & comment ;)
AKG K712. Not much known, but really good tho xD
yea just recabled and modded them, they are now like little brother of HD800
yep
Cables change nothing. Unless, you have made them balanced, of course.
i also have these but i prefer sennheiser hd700 for gaming. for music i rly like the cheaper k701 more. unfortunately i dont have them anymore.
What mic solution do you use?
I have the Sennheiser PC 360 for a few years now and the comfort for long gaming sessions like LAN-Parties is amazing. After 5+ Hours of Use you really forget about the Headset because it's really light. You get also an intuitive MicMute Switch, you just flip the Mic to the top. The Sound is also clear and in Games like CS:GO it's useful to hear your enemy before he get's to you.
Forgot Price: Around 150€ in Germany around 4 years ago
wow nice pick up! Amazing headset for sure!
I'm pretty sure virtual surround sound also works by adding a delay between playing sound on either side of the headphone. Our brains use the fact that the speed of sound is kind of slow, and so sound arrives at either ear at different times, to isolate positional audio. Virtual surround sound uses that to emulate the same thing and trick your brain into thinking it's from a particular location.
i picked up Logitech 635s this week, good stuff. my main issue is my big head causes most headsets to be a little uncomfortable until the cups wear in a bunch.
Hi Dmitry, I never understood how sound engineers could allow something like 5.1 headphones, with multiple drivers to happen. When you sit in the living room, surround sound is amazing because slight movement of your head establishes (pinpoint) the surround effect. In a lounge 5.1 setup, the time between the sound takes to go in one the go in the other ear is what makes us recognise if the sound is from the the front or the back. The brain recognises as we turn our head the direction of the first sound is from the more forward ear. In multi driver headphones this, does not happen as the drivers move as you turn your head with your head. The effect must occur between both your ears, and for this a virtual 7.1 surround can simulate this effect pretty amazingly. 7.1 virtual surround works great, especially if it well implemented. Sound algorithms can trick our brains into hearing various directions very well. I just wanted to elaborate why I think physical multi driver 5.1 or 7.1 solutions don't work at all. When you have only two ears, blasting the ear from a driver a little more forward is not what makes it hear it from the front. Our ears are not omnidirectional, they work out direction based on delay between the (only) 2 directions.
I have the Razor Kraken and it sucks. The headphones sound ok but after a couple hours my ears hurt because the ear pads are round (they don't fit my ear maybe it fits very small ears). And the mic is just unusable because there are electrical feeping (?) noises that are as loud as my talking. Don't by it.
Da BJ use oval, not circle pads
i’ve had mine 2 years and i love them i’m listening to this vid rn with them they r great!
I used to have the razer krakens and they also hurt my ears after awhile, but sound quality was decent and i never had any problems with the mic
I'm looking to get a minimic And a headset idk which one to get? Like my price range is under 80$ I was looking at the status audio cb1 will they be good?
Da BJ yo stoped
I got sucked into the Turtle Beach fad back when Modern Warfare 3 came out. I got the x12 headset and I still use that model. I love it. The audio always came out as it should and it is just so useful. I have speakers hooked up to my monitor and I can just plug the green jack into the speakers when I want to use headphone audio. The pink jack just stays in my pc. When I want to talk to someone on my Xbox or phone I use a 2.5 to 3.5 adapter (PS4 talk back cable) and use that. It really is an all in one headset for my all-in-one desk setup. I just wish they still made them.
I thumbs up that you pointed out the BS of gaming headsets. You caught me unguarded by all the headsets on your head..... too bad I cannot click multiple times on that thumb up button. Great video! Great comparison of the headsets.
Appreciate it :) thanks!
Logitech g633 Artemis spectrum :DDD got it for my dad for father's day :3
You are probably your dads favorite child xD.
he plays cod a gta 5 online, so a good pair of headphones for that is required :D
yeah however, the senheisers cost more and are worse in all departments, go figure.
Star lord is giving headphone review
That's not Star-Lord, that's Chris Pratt!
Yep. Music nerd. Totally gets it.
On the topic of surround, my old Roccat Kave does a decent job at directional audio with it's 5.1 surround, although given the tiny size of the drivers, there's no real bass and the audio suffers a fair bit.
Gonna get me some senheiser 598's. I have a gaming headset rn. 60 bucks for a SADES SA-708 Knight Plus 7.1....it uses virtual surround but actually has great drivers in it if you adjust the EQ (the default setting was trash and so is the mic) I think they used studio headphone drivers and threw them in. Gotta say I was surprised by how good these were. And I own audio technica, Sony , and senheiser headphones so I know a bit about sound quality. That being said I will upgrade to some Senheiser 598's in the near future. Thanks for the great content Dimitri!
Try Audio-technica AVC500 with FiiO E10K = Eargasm.
$100 for mod mic? Dude I bought mine for $40
+Bruce Wayne Yeah man depends where you are. and even 30-60 is expensive. For me they would cost maybe 50€
+Bruce Wayne Canadian dollars. We're in a recession at the moment FeelsBadMan.
my V Moda mic is only 30 bucks and it's very high quality
+abplus boyd Good mic, but compatible with less things due to the requirement of a detachable 3.5 mm cable. Certainly a more elegant solution if you have a setup it will work with
+SimpleSock I bought my modmic for $45 CAD (4.0 version). It was on massdrop.
I have a gaming headset mostly because I find it nice not having to have lots more equipment on your desk for a mic. Generally for casual gaming with friends and shit I will use a gaming headset as it has a noise cancelling mic built in so they don't here everything going on, but while I'm streaming I will use a dedicated mic with headphones as I can suppress the noise in software
I have a v-moda m-100 with a boompro, i recommend that. And the boompro fit on other headphone, at 35$, nice alternative to the mod mic
HyperX gaming headsets are the best out there for a good price. Still use my cloud 2. Not looking to change soon.
I am using my HyperX Cloud Stinger for PUBG
@@omprakashsahu4798 Nice! How is it? :D
No cooler master is because on Amazon mh752 is 75 bucks while cloud 2 is 100 bucks and the mh752 is a rebrand of takstar 82 while hyperx is takstar80
@@ghostly1829 jep
Got some cloud flights in 2019 and sound awesome. Had some connection problems at the beginning but they have started to go away
Real vs Gaming, so gaming headsets aren't real? Oh man, my life's been a lie.
Yup
Oh
you are a headset Right!
It's unreal how bad are most of the gaming headsets
Cocks Gun* It always has been
Dmitriy, could you recommend a good wired, over-the-ear, noise-reducing with mic headset?
I have an AKG K612 Pro and I love it. At the time I was considering getting a Steelseries "gaming" headset but I'm glad I didn't and did more researsch before purchase.
I've had so many (dead) headsets I don't count anymore :'( Just ordered the siberia h wireless over the g933 lets hope for the best
Should have gone with a Sennheiser pair. The Siberia H is fine, but quite tight. The Clamping force is just too much.
HardwareCanucks which Sennheiser would you recommend that also has a Mic to use with my desktop and can use to play games? nothing over $400 though... hopefully below $300.
more specifically, wireless headsets. I can't stand being tethered to the tower.
HardwareCanucks Hey ! Just received my siberia, fits really well and feel very comfortable .. Lets see if I feel the same after a few hours wearing them
how's it going?
Finally someone decided to put up the most informative video on headphones I have seen to date! Every video so far on how to choose a headphone has been nothing but a shit load of opinions on what the commentator and his buddies like. but I was still a bit disappointed about the video breezing by the "Real surround sound headphone" topic! u see I own a razer tiamat 7.1, and contrary to all the nay sayers, I learned through a little bit of an enthusiast curiosity that tiamat 7.1 are amazing and extremely under rated headphones. fact is that to date there are only 3 known real 7.1 surround sound headphones (5.1 claim they get more room for bigger drivers but their sound quality was poorer then Tiamat 7.1). Tiamat 7.1 being the archetype for the ASUS Strix 7.1 and G.Skillz Ripjaw SR910. Unfortunately for the other 2 Razer got it right the first time, while the other two face some serious flaws in their implementation. I have heard/read plenty of negative comments on the tiamat 7.1 ranging from, "it's bass is too boomy" or "earphones sound better then it" to just plain "Don't buy it!". But I did buy it and learned that those who left negative comments on the tiamat 7.1 either did not know how to use a PC sound equilizer setting properly, or did not read the manual for their tiamat 7.1 properly or simply too lazy to get their hands dirty on the PC audio setting interfaces. First, what is real surround sound headphone compared to virtual surround sound headphone? a real surround sound headphone as explained in the video is a headphone that has separate audio channels for drivers in the ear piece of the headphone. for 7.1 each ear piece has 5 drivers making a total of 10 in the headphone, while a 5.1 contains 4 in each ear piece for a grand total of 8 drivers. which ever type u choose they will always have a pair of dedicated bass drivers (meaning those drivers cannot hit high frequency notes) while the rest can easily hit the full upper range of sound frequency. Oh before I get ahead there is another key characteristic of a true surround sound headphone that I should mention: They are completely analog! I am not talking about headphone jacks, I am saying no "dolby prologic II" (used in all virtual surround sound headsets) synthesizing and managing surround sound channels for it. so how do they manage surround channels? that is what ur motherboard sound chip and full PCI sound cards are for. Tiamat 7.1 was designed exactly for this purpose. Instead of altering and mixing surround sound output on a sub standard headphone mounted sound logic chip like the virtual surround sound headphones do, tiamat 7.1 specifically Demands it's buyers to be prepared to purchase a proper PCI sound card!Once u have done as instructed, u need to spend some time tuning the sound card and counter tuning the headphone volume controller and the result is perfect balance of strong bass, crisp mid range and clear treble! I bought tiamat 7.1 over the other two for certain design reasons: 1) ASUS Strix is the most user friendly true surround sound headset. by user friendly I mean it limits users to sound profiles that are preset on it's sound card box. Yes Asus Strix is Analog and has a sound card housed in a game console like box. In addition it uses an unorthodox HDMI plug on it's headset and a usb connecting the sound card box to PC. It does not have a software interface for additional options and is entirely dependent on that sound card box for input. If that box was broken that head phone will be no better then a massive paper weight. plus the lack indepth individual channel sound control made my choice of dropping it easier. 2)Ripjaw SR-90 is the new kid on the block, analog like ASUS Strix 7.1 but an even poorer implementation compared to Asus! If the uncomfortable head design doesn't get u the round earpiece turned out to be smaller then required and the drivers are crammed inside it in an arrangement that ruins the directional quality of the sound channels. 3) I chose Tiamat 7.1 originally out of curiosity. Ask ur self why a company reputed to be a top gamer choice brand would implement something that sounds like shit? I first plugged it into an onboard sound card and it proved everyone who talked trash about it right! It literally sounded like my fathers old analog radio! No matter what adjustments I did to the motherboard sound chip it did not sound any better. Then I followed the one instruction people have a penchant to ignore: "BUY A GOD DAMN PCI SOUND CARD!". I bought an old ASUS DSX and put it in my PC. When I fired up the headphone this time it was like fireworks in my ears! The headphones sound profile had changed instantly from absolute trash to platinum brand! ok I might be over stating it! but it's quality was miles above what it sounded like on an onboard sound chip. Turns out the onboard sound chips do not have enough power to overcome the driver resistance threshold (it is measured in Ohm with the symbol of Omega lets call it the ability to resist work) of each of the 8 normal drivers of the headphone, while the subwoofer drivers have such a low resistance that when the headphone is run on an onboard sound chip it is all bass! switching to a PCI sound card corrected that problem as they are powered separately by the power supply. With a little adjustment to the PCI sound card, the OS System audio setting and the headphone channel volume, It was the best god damn audio headphone I had ever used (not comparing it to the sennheiser audiophile headphones those things are for people with expensive taste in music). After testing the equalizers a bit I concluded that Tiamat 7.1 is an incredible audio chameleon. I had absolute control over how each channel would sound and each profile gave me a different audio environment in game. All it took was a little effort, getting down and dirty with the system settings, something that true PC enthusiasts are not afraid to do. The surround sound did give me that sudden on/off channel issue mentioned in the video but that is only in a couple of games so far, that problem may have more to do with game developers ignoring audio quality leaving it entirely to virtual synthesizing tools that have hardly been upgraded in the past 15 years! Even the Dolby Pro logic engine that powers all virtual surround sound headphone softwares has not seen an upgrade in 10 years XD. These softwares are prone to calculation errors that make virtual sound quality different from real sound quality. Compared to old games that had immersive 3D sound environments ingame showing their dedication to surround sound systems. game developers today have done very little work in improving surround sound quality and more often abandon it at the mercy of automated sound synthesizing tools in order to work on visual quality...and yet their games still get a mediocre rating....I wonder why?
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ImNotSalty basically, when you buy the Razer tiamat 7.1, you must also buy a sound card dedicated to it to have the most beautiful true surround sound (not in including high end audiophile grade headphones) or you will be like everyone else and talk sht to Razer.
michael kim oliver Daguitera Ok thanks!
The biggest problem with 7.1 headphones is that they're trying to solve a problem that stereo headphones can do just fine *if* a game's audio engineers have done their work to create proper headphone tracks/effects. You only have two ears to hear things and the way your brain processes direction in audio is based on subtle delays between one ear and the other. That's right, you get surround sound out of stereo. However, it's also why it can sometimes be difficult to pinpoint a source of sound in an echo-prone environment... all the reflections of sound create conflicting signals for your brain to process. Enter the typical TV setup where all the sound is coming from in front of you from 8+ feet away. You can't really simulate the proper reflections of an environment from that far away without making it just sound echo-filled, so you add physical speakers all around you and encode parts of the sound that are supposed to come from different speakers. Voila, you get to hear things all around you with some degree of relative precision. With headphones it's a bit different since the sound source is right there next to your ear. In some cases, audio engineers will have either used binaural recordings (two separate mics situated where ears would normally be) and/or binaural simulation of effects in order to present sounds to each ear that accurately represent the subtle audio reflections of a given virtual environment and you get to hear in surround sound just fine. Most don't quite go that far and instead just offer a "Headphone" mode that effectively takes all the channels of a 7.1 or 5.1 signal and recomposes them back into a stereo signal meant to sit around your ears instead of in front of you. And now here's the rub. If you get a pair of 7.1 or 5.1 headphones, that's all it's doing too. It's just slamming all that directional sound into a very small space effectively rendering it into a stereo signal as far as your ears could tell. You're just using more connections and drivers in order to use a 7.1 setting that isn't really any better than plain stereo headphones connected using a headphone setting. Now, you might argue that the ear has the pinna that can direct and distort sound from different directions and it's in a compact space so why not closely and strategically placed drivers? In theory this is absolutely possible. However, you would likely need a full array of drivers in a geodesic grid formation with distinct channel separation for each driver to really pull that off. We're talking a 100+.1 pair of headphones with drivers so small that to listen to them at any substantive volume could threaten to damage the drivers. And there isn't really such a thing as real vs simulated surround sound. The only type of surround that isn't totally simulated is the binaural stuff that literally records what two ears would hear, but that usually means you're confined to a fixed position or point of view. It's great for recording something where you would normally have the luxury of sitting still like a front row seat for an orchestra performance, but not so much for video games and the like. Everything else is just taking mono or sometimes stereo sources and processing it into virtual surround channels at various levels in order to simulate surround sound. Whether you compose those channels back into a stereo signal in software and play it through stereo headphones or spit them out to separate dedicated drivers is kind of moot. In the rare case where a game doesn't offer a dedicated headphone mode (i.e. there's only a stereo option tailored for TVs or desk speakers), you can still use 3rd party software like Dolby Atmos, Razer Surround, the new Windows Sonic setting in Win10 creators update, or even a more expensive but fancy option like Out of Your Head that will take a 7.1 signal and compose it into quality stereo for you. The only thing you really need to do is make sure you have a reasonably good pair of headphones with decent sound stage and frequency response and you should be set. No fancy sound cards or gimmicky driver configuration is needed at all. With that said, a good sound card, or better yet an external DAC, is great for cleaning up and amplifying the sound beyond what your motherboard might be able to offer, but it certainly isn't necessary for surround sound.
I've been using the Astros A50s for the past few months. I think the audio is superb and it really immerses you in the game. You can hear the footsteps around you and as you turn to that direction the steps get louder. Same thing with gunshots
Gaming headsets are tweaked for that very purpose.
I have sennheiser GSP 302 and i love it, just enable windows sonic and boom, ya good. With that said, i much prefer my DT990's for most games (recent purchase still use the sennheisers from time to time), and i have a cheap pair of studio IEM's for LAN and i would recommend decent IEM's over gaming headsets
That's why for my gaming I use a Sennheiser HD 4.40 and a separate mic
hindsight is it actually good for gaming ? Like fps games?
Surprisingly yes. You won't notice the delay if there's any
hindsight Cool probably buying it tomorrow
hindsight Can you explain me how you use them for gaming? You connect them wired and connect mod mic or other separate mic right? How good is sound. Do you feel some kind of bass during gaming. Please help me cant decide between those with modmic or corsair hs 60 (that are cheaper tho).
You'll need a bluetooth dongle to use it wirelessly since it doesn't have a driver. I use a stand on mic so it stays in the table. Like its reviews, the sound is very neutral so not too much bass that it ruins the mids and highs but its there and you can hear it. Reason I didn't bought wireless gaming headset is due to the mic quality. And since there's no gaming headset that offers no mic, I resorted to this. Besides, I like listening to music as well.
Damn, all these mics sound terrible Im happy with my Snowball mic
Seriously. I was just thinking the same thing. Love my snowball
+Eddy Also on the snowball train..
+Eddy Snowball is the way
gaming headsets in general are just UGH. So terrible.
+Eddy talks about bad headset mics and calls out the snowball which you have to be in kissing range for to be heard.. headsets are more than enough if you just use them for teamspeak or ingame voice chat. its 1 headset with 1 cable and i dont have to waste space on my table or rearange how i sit or how i put my keyboard and mouse (in the case of the snowball). now if youre a streamer and you need really good quality audio (assuming youre somewhat "famous" and not just starting out) then yes. id get a standing mic for like 70-100 bucks, which i dont have to kiss. other than that. just like he said inthis video: a headset like sennheiser gaming one is more that acceptable.
I do a set of Astro a40 with mix amp pro and digital audio, optic cable. But I turn off the headsets surround and instead use Dolby atoms. And the lack off bass then balances itself out, gives me great high en and good full low end and such crisp detail aswell as incredible directional audio. What I did find is at max volumes I do lose some of the more subtle tones and you definitely do not want to use this for music.
Back when I was a regular Quake player I always used high end open back Sennheiser headphones with an external mic.
Does NCIX still sell insurance that is always included with all credit cards?
Does NCIX still exist?
HD 800 on a Valhalla 2 amp is pretty good
yes proper hifi headphones
For £100, I think the HyperX Cloud Revolver is a must. Beautiful quality and the build is amazing. If you need a budget headset under £50, the HyperX Cloud Stinger is amazing too. Best mics in the price range.
I love the hyperx cloud2 bc it's super comfortable and sounds great!
I feel life he looks like jackblack while sideviewed or im just seeing things
Yep!! NACHOOOOOOOOOO LIBREEEE!
Thanks, the Logitech will be the one i'll be getting, the mic is too good to pass on!
Yes its VERY good. Which are you getting the wired G633 or wireless G933 ?
Heh, now that i have watched yours and other reviews of the HyperX Stinger, i'm torn between logitech and hyperx. Also, i've been hearing how a lot of players seem to know like the 7.1 surround for gaming, which makes me wonder why, i'm open to new ideas.
Appreciate the feedback.
Sounds good too, thank you for the advice.
so what are u gonna buy or what DID you buy?
I use Astro A50 - they're pretty excellent to me, but I did mess with the EQ software a lot when initially setup. Has 3 presets to choose from.
I used to game with the PS Pulse Edition 2.0 Virtual Surround Sound and I loved them so much! then I gamed with Corsair Vengeance 2100 7.1 surround sound and I missed my PS Pulse Edition so much... I wasn't able to tell the direction of the incoming sound with the vengeance 2100... so I gave up on the 7.1 and went back to VSS with the help of RAZER's Synapse using the SONY MDR-XB950B1 they sound very similar to the PS Pulse Edition with lots of bass for the explosions! and the virtual surround helps a bit more than the 7.1... but since they aren't meant for gaming, they don't compatible microphone... my PC either picks up the microphone or the speakers from the XB950 headset... so I use an external microphone :D
headset : I can dish out 7.1 surrounding!!! now it is chicken time!!! game developer : we only coded stereo.... headset : shhhhh.... go to sleep