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I will never understand how writers and editors can possibly ignore the literal DECADES of backlash to their terrible Spider-Man stories. You'd think if they wanted successful comics they'd listen to what the fans want: character growth
Which "FANS" are they supposed to listen to? YOU? Fans don't know what they want until it's given to them. I'm not saying Spider-Man is good, but spare me they need to listen to "Fans" BS.
amazing Spider-Man is still one of the highest selling books despite the backlash. Spider-Man fans keep complaining, and at the same time keep buying the book.
No press is bad press I guess
@mttylerdurden9 It's Stockholm syndrome at this point. They keep buying books, hoping that things will get better. It's sad honestly that they keep getting fed shit like that, hopefully it gets better for them
Well what happened during Zeb Wells run? Everyone was talking about it and hate reading it.
Like if you dislike Paul 🙃
4:00 I dont care Paul is my second most hated fictional character of all time
Who’s the first?
@@goldlight1322 ong whos the first
I'm just here to add to the chain, who's #1?
I am guessing he is the second hated because of the hope that when the writer gets replaced they will also get rid of Paul.
@qwefg3 I don't even think they waited. Anything I've managed to gleam says that MJ and Pete are getting back together. They're just taking a break from one another. Which pisses me off because they keep backtracking as they want Mayday Parker to be a real thing but don't want to redo One More Day.
MCU isn't entirely to blame because they've been doing this for years. We are still feeling the effects of the Raimi Spider-Man having organic webs, them putting it in the comics, and people coming in and becoming fans of Spider-Man comics during that time. And those fans of the comics and movies swearing organic webs Spider-Man is the definitive web slinging Spider-Man. Even though he's had mechanical web shooters for like...40 years up to that point?
It makes sense to have organic webs
@@silverskullcarter1899its stupid and making sense in a comic book world is stupid
@@silverskullcarter1899 Not out of his arms.
@@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_MustacheShould it be out of his but or under abdomen like a real spider?🤔
@@jighollygrove5589 If we're talking about what should make sense, then yeah.
So basically Kevin needs to tell Marvel to get Peter and Mary Jane together for the MCU
Or Pete and Felicia, or Cindy Moon, or Kitty Pryde, or just someone he'll stick with from now on
Marvel is not romance comics. 😅
@@shreyanshdas7481maybe that will sound crazy to you but people have relationship unlike you
@@red_hornet56 I like Clark & Lois relationship but if Peter- MJ relationship was as important as Uncle Ben dying Marvel wouldn't have killed the marriage. Anyway audience have no say in comic industry such a sad reality.
@@shreyanshdas7481 they only killed the marriage because they couldn't handle an adult Peter Parker there was absolutely no problem with their marriage and everyone hate one more day
Weren't they setting up a fight between Frankling Richards and Mefisto over One More Day's retcon of Peter's Marriage?
So close to 3 MIL! LETS GO! You and your team DESERVE this man for all your efforts ❤
This kinda stuff goes back even to the Raimi Spider-Man 3. He was getting the black suit in that movie, and suddenly he was wearing it in the comics too. And as soon. As that movie was out of theaters, Spidey was back in the blue & red.
I appreciate that this was posed as a question in the title, and that the idea of "game of telephone" was explained because I truly believe discussions about brand synergy do factor into editorial decisions, but that even then, they don't expect a 1 to 1 translation of the MCU to the comic depiction. Star-Lord is an example of "Well, hardly anyone that isn't part of the niche Guardians fandom knows his characterization and personality, so let's relaunch him with a bit more Pratt-isms."*
Best part is, at the end of every, AND I MEAN EVERY, Spiderman issue has a section where the fans get to write in; there are fans who ask for why there’s such a dip in quality since one more day or why haven’t they fixed it since no fan likes it Marvel says the same exact thing: we hear but that was a long time ago. Like they cannot be this blind and dumb.
In the context of the video, regarding the Ms Marvel stuff, that synergy didn't ruin Spider-Man. It was a bad story, but the broader ZW run just isn't good independent of that. In some ways, more broadly, the synergy strategy is hurting Spider-Man well beyond that. We saw how the FF and X-Men were back-benched (in terms of their significance for the broader comics) and other properties like the Inhumans were used to supplant X-Men. This was when they were held by 20th Century Fox, before Disney bought them out. Then, as that deal comes into the works and acquisition is finalized, we get this amazing relaunch spearheaded by Hickman, an absolute titan of a comic writer (I guess this is where I put on my tinfoil hat lol). I don't think that's a coincidence. Spidey's in a weird spot where they share the licensing with Sony to get him in the MCU, and he's one of their biggest sellers in comics. He's basically Marvel's mascot, so they won't back-bench him as hard as they did X-Men or FF, but where Sony would get first dibs on rights to any major events primarily starring Spider-Man, it's clear they don't really feature him as heavily in the main universe's events. I think it's also part of why they keep him in such a hard stasis as a character and upend any attempts at growth (see the end of Spencer's run). He keeps being forced back to, basically, the Brand New Day status quo: broke and alone Peter Parker.
dude love your Kaiju no 8 shirt.
Before watching: I'm going to say no because most of Spider-Man's current problems are not tied to the MCU but have been an existing issue that predates it. The whole Ms. Marvel thing while stupid, only made it a stupid thing in an already terrible comic run.
Bro marvel won’t allow spiddy to be happy. Like let homie be happy for once
Solid Video my guy and very informative. 🙏🏾
12:59 secret invasion.
My thoughts on this are...jaded, I guess. But I'll number them, because I want to keep track of what I'm writing here. 1. Spider-Man has been ruined since he made a deal with Mephisto. And he will continue to be ruined until it is properly and thoroughly addressed. Kindred was just a big tease in the end. 2. I have encountered more people calling Miss Marvel a fan-favourite than actual fans of Miss Marvel. I don't think she is anywhere near as popular as Marvel likes to pretend she is. 3. A bad story is a bad story any day of the week, not just on "Let's pretend corporations care about a specific minority"-day. 4. Marvel always pulls this stuff, starting a story in one series and continuing it in another. They think it'll get them more readers. It doesn't seem to occur to them to make good stories instead. 5. "Film synergy" is not exclusive to Marvel, DC does this too, but Marvel is particularly egregious. Likely due to having had higher quality films to begin with. Had. Just like the movies, the comics have worn out their welcome. What used to be endearing is now just frustrating, because they are afraid of deviating from a historically successful formula. 6. Twitter tirades are a staple of social media. On one hand, it has been disheartening to see these people whom I used to appreciate, even admire, be absolute raving lunatics with delusions of grandeur. On the other hand, it is something that I am thankful to know, as it has incentivised me to be more selective in whom I support financially. (Almost no-one. The industry's rotten to the core.) 7. Agendas, oh boy. Yeah, yes, I'm with Benny on this one. We know they're there, we know why, and we know that a lot of people make a bigger deal out of it than it ought to be, and others deny them wholesale, depending on whether they agree with said agendas or if they think it will line their pockets. If it is well written, then it is well written, regardless of agenda, real or imagined. The least Marvel could do is wrap their messaging in some appealing narratives, but they can't be bothered to do even that. 8. I don't know what Cinemacon is, and I am most definitely not a normal person, as this stupid comment on a KZhead video can attest. 9. The hype ain't coming back. 10. I used to like Marvel Comics. Quite a bit. I thought DC was boring, and their attempts at catching up with Marvel Studios were equal parts hilarious and tragic. But as far as compelling stories go, DC is better at it right now. Maybe because they don't have to play second fiddle to a cinematic universe, trying desperately to catch any increasingly underwhelming hypewave when the next bland movie comes out. But it ain't over until it's over. The worse something gets, the more opportunities for improvement present themselves. Can Marvel win back the hearts and minds of people like me? No. But it'll be funny watching them try. If you read all this, whoever you are, know that you didn't have to. But I needed to write it all the same, to achieve some form of catharsis. It worked.
To be honest, her old comics are the best. Ms Marvel was the Spider-Man of the 21 Century.
@@mayotango1317 Our tastes are rather different, then, but that's alright. My issues are not with the readers, but the writers. If you liked what you read back then, then the writers at the time must have done something right.
I dont see why Marvel doesn't just make a new universe of MCU inspired comics instead of constantly retconning 616 characters to better match their movie counterparts.
It's Mephistopheles's fault 😈
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Don't you mean mephisto?
@@mttylerdurden9 same difference
THANK YOU BENNY!!!
I mean, they make comic characters look like MCU actors all the time. They did it to Sentry recently, then Steven Yeun backed out, which turned that comic line upside down. Reed Richards looked like John Krasinski for quite some time when he was tied to the role. To say MCU doesn't affect the comics when a picture says a thousand words.
The MCU has nothing to do with the current run in Amazing Spider-Man by F@#$ing Zeb Wells. I loved the MCU since I watched the first Iron Man film, and I don't care what the haters say. Also, I'm cool with Ms. Marvel as a mutant in the MCU because we're heading to the Mutant Saga in Phase 7 after Secret Wars. Plus, I can't get enough of watching X-Men 97 because the show is both Uncanny and Astonishing. I'm trying to collect and read all of Marvel Comics because I've learned so much about the past events that happened in the 616 continuity(War of the Realms, Empyre, King in Black, Devil's Reign, AXE Judgement Day, Dark Web and Ultimate Invasion). You're right about one thing, Benny. Marvel Studios is doing Damage Control because they're going back to basics by doing one movie a year while they're focusing on producing and filming the projects for Phase 5 and Phase 6. But even this won't stop me from reading all of Marvel Comics. I'm a comic nerd because I enjoy learning everything there is to know on the Marvel Universe.
Totally agree with you. Enjoying the ride is the best thing
mcu didn’t ruin Spider-Man comics because the shit that happens to Peter has nothing to with movies and vice erasers versa
Happy Friday!
This is what happens when you don't encourage a generation who doesn't read to actually read the comics that your content is based off on. Congrats Marvel for caving in.
Damn, bro. I respect the passion.
i happened to notice i have the same 4 cards cycling thru so im gonna get them cleared out to at least focus on a card now instead of shifting focus to whatever i can split
I feel ya on this one...this dose change things
i love the rants
I really like this sort of comic book reporting content. obviously everyone likes a controversial story but I would 100% click on video generally reporting how a storyline or character arc is going to go, as well. Regardless I'm very thankful the channel and Iv'e been watching for YEARS!!
I still think they should bring the Inhumans back
Same, it sucks that they are on the shelf currently. Just because they were forced to be an X-Men stand in that doesn't mean they should be be forgotten. They have had plenty of great storylines.
They should be forgotten they stink.
Bro where can I get that kaiju no 8 shirt. I want one
I like these type of videos
I want him with black cat too
12:20 I mean technically good heart loki kinda predated the MCU interpretation with kid loki
Reppin that kaiju no 8
Nice Eric July reference at 13:37
Damn, I wish I actually liked hot sauce :(
I've always felt like the MCU has had WAY too much of an effect on the actual comics now since back in like 2014
*YES*
The hot sauce is pretty awesome
Zeb Wells is coming to Montreal Con so il ask him. Be all cool about it lol
You better not “beat him up” when you get there
@@jameslazaridis4180 nahhhh nothing so lol. Just want to ask if this is how he truly intended his Spider-Man story to go. All I need is a yes or a no.
Short answer is absolutely
It DEFINITELY affected the guardians of the galaxy. I’ll tell you that.
Cool shirt
They didn’t say anything about xmen in 2027 at Cinemacon it’s just a rumored release date right now
Kaiju no. 8 is dooooope
Not just comic but animated series and Lego games . They’re were awesome like avengers earth mightiest heroes and spectacular spider,a but when the mcu was a success , they cancel it and make avengers assemble and ultimate Spider-Man . Show where they need to be exact like the movies with thanos and the infinity gems, the avengers already encounter ultron , the guardian of the galaxy getting a redesign that make them look like the movie, no mutant but have inhumans since fox own the X-men at the time and antman being Scott lang but as a scientist instead of having Hank pym. Remind me of those movie based cartoon like dumb and dumber the series.
Bleeding Cool reports Feigy is exonerated from medling. It was Nick Lowe and Zeb Wells. They tried to shift the blame. Those two are deliberatly trying to ruin asm. Killing the iconic Mj would have been like poking the bear. So they changed it.
I don't think the MCU ruin much I mean comic creators nowadays are changing the origins of their characters all the time now , so the difference in the characters in the MCU is expected I guess but it's not like can do anything. I still hate how they change Mary Jane, no Osborn's, or any other villains, etc ...Ah well...
Marvel do enough damage to Spidey with their constant "so things are nice... lets mess it all up because he should be downtrodden" without anyone trying to blame the MCU for anything.
I've been saying this for a while now. I dislike that the movies are affecting the comics when it really should be the other way around. Wanda, Pietro and Franklin all lost their mutant status because of the movies. The Avengers line-up was changed to be the movie characters. I get why they do this for the new readers but it's always a slap in the face to the existing fan base. I wish they took the time to tell more comic accurate stories.
I don't see how Kevin pretends he is not messing with comic books, the alignment with comic books and movies are uncanny, they even had a press release about how the multiverse was going to work going further. They even made sure to claim earth 616 which made no sense. It already had a designation. In the end let's get real Disney is going to want all the comic books to become super PG so they can market it on the Disney channel in a way to boost sales of comic books which boost sales on toys which means more money for Disney.
Ok he’s been the only one who’s been mentioned the xmen 2027 announcement I haven’t seen anyone else mentioning it so is actually true or did he read an article say they announced it at Cinemacon
Yeah, but they made those exact same denials during that weird X-Men thing. From what I recall, that was a Perlmutter thing, though. But it was still pretty entertaining. NO X-merch. Really pushing the Inhumans as a replacement for "source of random superpowers" while it looked like the MCU was going to make a thing of them. Putting Inhumans and Defenders on a bunch of merch (my favorite was a Secret Wars t-shirt I saw where the characters that weren't in the movies/Netflix shows had been edited out and replaced with characters that were). There were "reports from Marvel staffers" that the X-Men in particular were getting sort of unofficially put on the back burner. And all along you had Brevoort on twitter insisting that they weren't doing what they very clearly were doing. And while they realized they couldn't make people care about Karnak and eventually knocked it off, we did get Ms. Marvel out of it, and she's one of my favorite characters now, so... all's well that ends well?
Wasn't Kid Loki doing hero stuff in 2011
Hi
I mean if i can’t have Black cat then i guess Petter can have her
No. Spider-man has been ruined for 20 years. Has nothing to do with the MCU.
What ruined Spider-Man?
@@zacharybosley1935One more day
@Emanuel15953 I call that a pockmark on an otherwise excellent record. The Ultimate comics were solid, the Superior run was good until they sold Otto's conscience to the devil, and Miles is legit. Overall Spider-Man has recovered pretty well from being retconned again in my opinion
@@zacharybosley1935and what is Not in any of your Comics , 616 Peter Parker. Marvel die Not know what to do with him since the 90s.
@@patrickschlicky7940 endlessly resetting Peter is annoying, im not going to lie. That doesn't mean he's not being adequately used in a few mediums outside the comics.
This comic was famously well received before they killed Ms marvel
I agree benny read comic book mcu not working in comic
Spiderman and black cat🔥🔥 best comic book relationship
1:22 missed opportunity. You should read it with your Wolverine voice.
Bigger than the moon landing? I believe the kids say “touch grass”
WHY DOES PAUL LOOK LIKE MARKIPLIER THO😂
If they want to win back Marvel comic fans, just scrap the whole Paul thing and put MJ and Peter back together. Just admit they screwed up. Most fans will acknowledge and respect them listening to the fans Edit: really just do better with Peter’s character growth and let the Paul character quietly go away.
Yep, I don't understand how marvel didn't realize immediately that no one liked paul, He has been around for almost 2 years now
I’ve hated how the MCU keeps influencing the comics. The MCU could not exist without the foundations comics laid and continue to lay. Even if this call never happened we’ve seen other things happen. Also not a fan of her being a mutant now. It will bring so much baggage onto her from the X-men being shit on so much. It will make her down to earth hero fighting much harder to do in story. =/
Stopped watching a few years ago Thought I'd randomly check in Bro You look amazing Great evolution You look like you've had an epic redemption arc and you're out the other side of it
Marvel is notorious for being spiteful and vindictive. Like effectively deliberately killing the X-Men comics because they didn’t have the rights to them, and changing lore to make sure they get rights to use certain characters in the MCU they wouldn’t otherwise have been able to.
Yes but sometimes this why people need to stop saying the movie needs to be the same then the comics if people not mad if the movie not the same then the comics marvel not need to do this
It would be cool if there was a DC version of Spider-Man
I'm not saying Spider-Man is Good, the Comics have been "bad" for a long time. But please spare me they need to listen to the "Fans" BS. Whenever someone says this garbage, my question is always Who are they supposed to listen to? "YOU"? Fans don't know what they want until it's given to them and all they do is bitch about what was given.
And they make the same shit when they don't listen so whats your point?? Should they do drugs and listen the spirit of Stan Lee or Jack Kirby 😂 grow up shit changes and you won't always like it. If they don't have good ideas and the fans "just bitch" how does it get fixed then?
listening to one’s community is so important man. why do u think baldur’s gate won goty? people wantwd a free to play game which you buy, play and enjoy.
@@kdxdeadman Yeah sure, Baldur's Gate 3 is an excellent game, but if you look at the history of its reception, "fans" of Baldur's Gate were pissed at first because it was Turn Based and not real time. Only listening to fans can be harmful if it stifles innovation. Sometimes you just have to let the artist work.
@@kdxdeadman Again, which set of people? Do you understand Spider-Man has been around for over 50 years? Has had numerous reboots and writer's? There are different "Fans" for every single era of Spider-Man. Who are they supposed to "Listen" to? I'm assuming YOU. Or are they supposed to sit around and conduct extensive surveys and Polls before they create every single issue?
@@littlezig59 There are exceptions to everything and I think the whole crediting the BG Community for the Dev's work is utter pablum and pandering at it's worse. They didn't "listen" to the community and implement every single suggestion. And the community didn't tell them anything they didn't already know and were planning to do. You are hopelessly Naive if you really think Devs were sitting around twiddling their thumbs, waiting for their community to provide them feedback before they made any changes.
I don't think so, this latest news doesn't change the type of stories that the main Spider-Man run has been having, even without Zeb or before Holland. something has to change in the senior editorial positions
I wish Paul was a villian in the comic instead a lobo rip off
Honestly just keep the cinema, comics, and animated universe be their own shit😂 like that doesnt seem difficult. So you only need to watch the movies, or just watch the animated stuff, or read the comics. So you dont 5 movie, 3 shows, and 2 decades of comics for one character😂. Each one can be as different as they want
Zeb Wells is goat 🐐 NGL
Yet nobody said anything when Jean Grey was replaced by Captain Marvel in Marvel vs Capcom Infinite, because we already knew what was going on... Marvel has done this since the 2000's with the X-men and FF, I find 0 reason to be surprised or upset. Its also ironic that the people who HATE characters like Miles or Kamala were so up in arms about this.
Here what i think about Amazing Spiderman (2022) story "DAMN YOU STUPID F**KING MARVEL COMIC"
If a movie bombs one character from it will be sacrificed lol
I'm curious what the Iman thinks, I'm sure she's very excited to be working on her own comic so I wonder what her take is on the "death". Also great job on the tin foil hat Dan!👍🏻
I’ve been saying this for years. They didn’t own the rights directly to Spider-Man and they were trying to make Iron Man Their poster child so they would Nerf the crap at a Spider-Man and wreck His comics or TV shows to make him look less than Iron Man so kids would like Iron Man more. Just watch the cartoon Spider-Man Iron Man and Hulk And tell me Spider-Man isn’t tremendously Nerfed in that Now the same thing is continuing to happen because they’re actively trying to make Miles Morales more appealing to kids than Spider-Man Just Play marvels Spider-Man 2. Spider-Man is horribly nerfed in that too. Whether it’s Iron Man or Miles Morales Spider-Man seems to always get the crap kicked out of him because they’re trying to replace him with someone else It’s like Marvel is upset that Spider-Man is their most popular character . And if some miles fanboy comes in shouting at me, my point will be made. Here’s a message to the inevitable comments I’ll receive They got you. You have been fooled.
i hope this not true, but if it is true is mess up that a boring bad written mcu is forcing comics to be like or follow mcu. it should be the other way around, mcu should use the actual great well written, over the long years, of Marvel Comics.
Did The MCU Ruin Spider-Man ?!!!! meanwhile ... X-Men 97.... is . fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
X-Men 97 works because is not a MCU crap.
Thank you for calling out the writers lack of tact on X. They’re getting so out of hand
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2027... shesh thats far off. guess xmen 97 wont tie in then.
All this information is actually year old news if an observer was smart enough to read between the lines. For those with their heads stuck in the sand, they wouldn’t know the answers to these questions you asked. Of course Disney is influencing the Marvel Comics storylines in the books. Me and my friends already knew all this and we noped out and didn’t care for marvel. We started making our own stories.
Spider-Man is too big to fail and will always sell even weh. they disrespect him. He is a cushiony story you can do anything and not care about the consequences
I’m so confused 😐
Hmm 🤔 good question but can’t be as bad as they been doing to him I mean come on let’s be real this is spider man we’re talking about just like Batman story say he going to be a better Batman is he really?
I watched inhumans I forget his name but I am convinced the villain was a xorn rip off
I feel like the biggest problem with Spiderman is they try to dim his growth for the sake of sixties nostalgia which isn't working. Spiderman hasn't been a neighborhood character for years it was growth his villains grew from street thugs to city threats to taking over the country to world threats and Spider-Man fit. Until they tried to stuff him back down but none of that works. None of it. So let him be the man he grows to be and not a little kid in over his head we already saw that. Spiderman has done that that was homecoming. Far from home wasn't even an avenger level threat it was hype and city wide destruction which is an average Spiderman villain. Just not in New York. No way home was basically a low level sinister six but y'all keep talking about how it's not the friendly neighborhood Spiderman when that hasn't existed since the time they fought the beyonder that was the eighties. The problem is that since the comics don't let Peter fully grow we want the same in his movies which o thought we should want more. He's more than just street thugs. But there should always be acknowledgement that Peter will stop what he's doing to handle a street level thug just like he would for a city or world wide threat. That's Spiderman. Not some always down blue collar miserable sap. That's not supposed to be Spiderman that's someone's poor idea of a blue collar man who can never see the brighter side of life or make it. That's pessimistic bullshit
Yes, yes, yes.
No
Heres a take that might not go well. Maybe paul and Mary Jane should stay together. Have Peter back with gwen Stacy.
X men in 2027????? Sigh
It's the comics industry that's at fault, not Marvel Studios. The only negative impact the MCU created was having characters redesigned to look like carbon copies of their live action counterparts.
Also changing personalities like Tony, Quill & etc, GOTG completely changed & tons of retcons, wanda & pietro retcon, inhumans push and sidelining the X-men bc Fox owned it at the time and they only begun to recover in Krakoa era thanks to Hickman and there's probably more i'm missing.
Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 2 ruined Spider-Man for synergy. Every problem that's in Spidey comics nowadays is from the younger gen hyping that movie up into oblivion (I love Spider-Man 2 but it's astronomically overrated). It takes the No More story and reduces it to what we see now, annoying supporting charcaters, Peter suffering, villain motivations that make no sense Meanwhile MCU and Insomniac have taken One More Day and Clone Saga and If This Be My Destiny and elevated them.
So spiderman 2 is to blame for one more day, the clone saga, sins past, paul, and the death of ms.mavel? Can't argue with that logic.
@@mttylerdurden9Peter suffering , MJ being a hoe, annoying supporting characters, villains not making any sense. This is all stuff that's in current comics that come from Spidey 2. Meanwhile MCU Spidey has been a fun homage to Ditko era and Bendis Ultimate era while rejuvenating the movie franchise.
Yeah sure Sam Raimi is a fantastic director so Spidey 2 has the best cinematography and score and maybe even acting in a Spidey flick. But every single problem I have with it I have with current storylines and comics.
@@drawsolidart everything you listed was in the comics long before Spider-Man 2. It looks like you're just reaching for a reason to complain about Spider-Man 2.
@@mttylerdurden9 not necessarily, I love Spider-Man 2. The original topic is did any of the movies effect comic synergy. I think Spider-Man 2 did for all the reasons I mentioned. If these problems existed long before Spider-Man 2 why is the discussion about the quality of Spider-Man books heavy now?
Honestly this run was always doomed to fail from the very start and even if they did killed ms marvel in this comic which they did, it didn't really matter in the long run because the storyline was already bad from its very conception at least in my opinion.
i really hate this selling, an add ever 4 minutes on a 17 minutes video, there is a limit on how far you can sell out