ZOWIE S2-C Review: Which Symmetrical ZOWIE Shape is the BEST?
ZOWIE S2-C is now officially released, here is my review and shape comparison with the FK2 and the ZA13. ** NOTE ** I mistakenly listed S2 height to be 36mm in the comparison, it's 38mm! Also FaZe NiKo kekw
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amazing informative video. I like that explanation about the micro adjustment aim
Glad you enjoyed it myv!
Nice review Haus! Can't wait to try it! I'm a big fan of this shape, so I'm excited!
Thanks, hope you enjoy it!
Interesting shape, almost legendary at this point. Well done!
Mines coming in on Wednesday. So excited!
The last sentence is 100% correct, no one should continue to consider any s2 clones with the c series out, you don’t wanna cheap out on build quality especially when zowie is now also providing solid paracords and lighter weights. I have a s2 myself and it is a tank in terms of build quality, absolutely solid build
Unless, of course, you want a wireless mouse...
@@johnko5 yes of course, but personally I don’t think wireless is much of a big deal. I have gpx and play on pretty Low sens and I still play equally well on s2/Xm1r. S2 shape being the best for me out of all 3. Will be ordering the s2c once it’s available in my region
@@Nerdywr eh you can get a better sensor and wireless which to me is a massive difference. I actually don’t know why someone would buy a s2c to be honest
the clone i tried (the pwnage ultra custom sym) feels nothing like an s2, feels way chunkier and doesnt fit my grip anywhere near.
@@jaykera Most modern sensors are good a 3060 like in the S2-C is more than good enough, you won't be able to tell a difference. Not really a massive deal anymore. Now wireless is very nice, but if you have a good cable and a bungee it's pretty close to a wireless mouse. Also the main reason to get the S2-C is the shape, it is arguably the best for claw grip users.
Love the fact that you included detailed explanations about the aiming part (on aim_botz), made the review really unique compared to other mouse reviewers and extensively informative, this is the content every mouse/aiming addict is looking for. Keep up the good work mate!
Glad it was helpful, much appreciated brother!
@@hausgaming it's probably hard and expensive to keep up this kind of quality content, but if anyone's ever asking me for proper mouse reviewer, there's not even a sight of doubt who I'll recommend. See you on brutalcs dms 😁
Review on point as always and i totally agree about the micro adjustment being hard on S2 i had the same problem on the ZA13B as well so i gripped both of them too hard when i had to make micro adjustments which wasn't very comfortable but i kinda like the S2 as my flicks are really good on it the ZA just felt clumsy and immobile with that insane hump for me. FK2 is my fav symmetrical but i can't yet tell if i like it more than the NP01S which is my favorite mouse for tracking.
Exact same here. Mice with bigger humps just don't work for me at all and I have always preferred mice like the fk2. Mz1 works wonders for me though, it's like holding a pen
Great comparison, cheers Haus!
Thank you!
Your comments about the shape reminded me of what I found with the S1. I felt like my fingers grew tired from having to fight with my palm so much despite using fingertip. I'm just unsure as to whether the S2 will be wide enough AND have a hump small enough for my hand size and preferences (21/11 hands).
Let's go kammyz!! S2C!
cannot wait for the za-c honestly 75-65g is perfect weight all round. When i first got the mz1 coming from 85g+ mice i thought it was amazing and it is but once your hand gets used to the light weight and you build more fine control skill, going back to a heavier mouse feels so easy to aim with. Was probably cause i used mz1 on hien and raiden and then went to za on those pads I guess. If i used mz1 on a gsr or something then i dont think i would have increased my skill by much.
That is interesting. Going back to heavier mouse for me makes it harder to aim, takes more effort to micro adjust and flicks feel so slow. Also my brain is like stopping me from flicking too fast because the mouse is too heavy for it to be worth it, lol.
Man, there's no way I'm turning away from my Superlight 🤦🏽♂️ Never had a Zowie and I was always curious but the shape was always an issue, but you just did a favor to everyone in my position by explaining the differences so easily... But again, Superlight is life ✌🏽🤦🏽♂️
I too fell in love with wireless logitech mice but ghub has been a big let down with their software not showing correct battery percentage.
Niko used S1 :) Maybe he switched already back :) Great vid! Loving your chan!
its s1mples mouse)
3:04 you've gotta edit in something when u said "and also the shape and the location of the hump is kind of asking for it" missed opportunity 😂
The s2 is definitely more for low/mid sens. I grip it similar to you and I find that the contact with my pinky and ring finger on the mousepad helps alot with first shot accuracy. I play on 1.5 sens@400 dpi. I don't feel like I have as much space to readjust, but I dont have to so often. And honestly, I find few situations in CS, or any ranked shooter, where missing shots or not being quick to the target means you have been sent to the spectator realm. Its a hard toss up between the NP-01 and the S2 for me. Though I have actually been playing with the Prime Wireless (1.2 sens for dpi deviation).
What did you settle on mate
I play a very similar sens at 1.4 @400 dpi
@hausgaming nice vid as always, just wondering what are your cs go settings ?
Thanks brother! My config is in description, you can download there!
best shape ever for me I sware if they ever make wireless mouse for s2-c that will be my endgame mouse but for now ill stick to wired
I have the same issue with the XM1R , my flicks are good with it , but it's impossible to microadjust. I think it's because of the extremely wide back hump which limits my range of motion because of the palm contact. That's why I'm waiting for the za13-c to come back into stock here in Europe.
Should be back in stock this week I think according to Zowie.
I got the S1-C a few days ago and the mouse1 switch is too tight and occasionally when I click it, it stays clicked in.. Well after new mouse celebration I gotta head back and return it and get another one. It is a very fitting size to me, I switched back from small mice (g203, mm710) since I do have larger hands and had pain from the smaller mice. The S1's size also gives me more confidence in stability and makes me more consistent - not better, but consistent, but the switch makes this copy unusable. Thank you so much for talking about the shape in so much depth.
I prefer Zowie mice with a glossy finish, used to have S2 Black and it didn't feel confident in my hands, now I use FK1+ -B White and I really like it
Same here actually. I went from a white fk2 to a black s2 and actually couldn't aim at all lol
@@greippuli9166 then it didn't seem to me)
Got really used to the Viper mini, the 60 gram is perfect weight for me and the shape fits me well too, thinking of buying ec3c or model d wireless, don't know if I should.
I probably wouldn't if you really like the Viper Mini, those shapes are just drastically different to it.
What is the best lightweight mouse for pincer claw grip with 19.5x10cm hands?
hey haus big fan which zowie mouse would you recommend to someone that never had a zowie mouse before? i used g305, model o- and now gpx... handsize 17x9.5 claw grip
They are all fairly different than what you've had before. FK2 is the most similar to the Model O-! My favourites are the FK1/2, the ZA13 and EC2
Wondering , is it possible to do the shorten mouse button delay, on the divina s2?
Haus you said the lod little bit over 1 dvd so is it in between 1 and 2 dvd's or does that means higher than the og copy or is it the same ? My second question is enable fast response clicks how does it work can you explain it please and thank you 🙏
You just press m4 button when plugging in the mouse -> click response is 4ms. LOD is over 1 DVD but under 2 DVDs!
Really wanna try one of those Vaxee mousepads. Would you recommend it over the GSR-SE?
For sure, feels much more consistent than the G-SR-SE!
hey, question: I recently bought a S2, but I can barely use the mouse because the sensor is stuttering so so so much, Once i adjusted the LOD to the max it was a bit better but not flawless, any suggestions? im really dissapointed because i cant play with my new mouse :( , and i feel like not much people have this issue because ive watched tons of Zowie mouse reviews and never heard any1 talk about the way too low LOD.
Your unit has an issue, I'd suggest returning it and getting a new one! Doesn't sound like it's easily fixable without breaking warranty.
@@hausgaming unfortunately Zowie told me I can’t return my unit, so I guess im just very unlucky
I am so happy to see Zowie finally, FINALLY, wake up and catch up to modern standards. I cannot wait for the S2 Wireless... In 2029.
Lmao
@@hausgaming Hi, which is better to choose? zowie ec2-c or zowie s1-c?
@@user-xz8tu8fc7d imo, from having an ec1 and an s2, id really go for an s1/s2 its by far the best shape ive used and ive tried the pwnage ultra custom, delux m800, model d, model o, deathadder, rival 300.
@@XXlegovidXx why didn't you like pwnage?
I want a smaller fk, I prefer lower profile clicks.
Hausgaming, I´ve tried the viper mini and I like the overall shape, but my pinky and ring finger cramp a lot after playing for a bit. I´ve also tried the GPro Superlight, altho comfortable, gripping it is a bit awkward and my hand can´t really fingertip/calw it. I have 17,5x9.5 hands. Do you think the S2 would be a better shape for me? I´m between the S2 and the ZA13, but I worry the ZA would be like the Viper Mini with smaller space for my pinky
ZA13 has a limited amount of space for ring & pinky, so I'd possibly go for the S2-C just out of that info!
Is there a bigger gap between the shell and m1 button. I had to return my s2 i got 2-3 months ago because the m1 button would get stuck pushed down (i cleaned the mouse and it still would get stuck)
Not quite sure what you mean, but the shell design is the same
Looking at a used FK2 for about $31 (in my currency). Is it worth it (I only have Steelseries from before but now have issues with my third mousewheel in a row and am tired of them)?
FK2 is decent for that money for sure!
Can you review the ZA-C series also please?
For sure when they are released!
I'm debating between this and the Vaxee Np01s. Did you test the small or medium version?
Sorry what? S2 is smaller S1 is larger!
@@hausgaming oh thanks
if you make a razer strider review, can you compare it to the odin infinity?
Sure!
@@hausgaming thanks :)
Would you recommend getting different mouse feet for the s2-c?
Depends on the pad, but if you feel the feet are too slow.. Get spare feet!
Maybe micro-adjustments could be improved by replacing the scates to pure (white) PTFE ones.
In some cases yes, but for me no :/
Did you weight this at all? just curious to know what it came to on your scales
Weight is listed on the video! I don't remember it off the top of my head though.
one question, what is what you call "faster click response"?? I can not get the idea
Lower click latency
If im came from razer naga pro Which zowie model i should buy please?
I'd prolly get the S1-C or EC2-C!
Should I get the ec2-c or the xlite wireless I currently use the roccat kone pure owl eye and love the shape but want a ec2 shape. Which should I get the xlite wireless or the ec2-c
Xlite wireless is awesome! Not sure when the EC2-C will land!
@@hausgaming yes I’m going with the white xlite wireless with the white and blue and white vaxee pa and I have the hyper alloy FPS red so I’m going to put some white key caps on that and it will look clean
i dont see any copies of the s2 except from the pwnage UC 1 and the hk-gaming mira. can you tell me more copies?
Gamesense meta, Roccat burst pro to some extent as well
Without watching the video, it's the FK2's because it has the smallest side buttons of the three
How does this compare to the XM1R? Are they very similar?
They are very different shapes
In terms of shape, NP01 made the S2 obsolete for me. I like both shapes - NP01 felt like a direct upgrade over S2 though.
I prefer the NP-01 over the S2 myself as well!
@@hausgaming could u explain why u prefer the np-01?
NiKo is using S1 at the moment
Ahh ok! Thanks!
@@hausgaming he loves biger mices.Because that he stop using logitech g pro x superlight.And back to S1.
Out of 40 mice I have used Zowie ZA13 is the best for micro adjusting. Waiting for that wireless version and when it will come out, I will be disappointed that it is not over 80g. I dont like this new super light weight meta.
Damn :/. Lightweight is good for me, you should be able to get used to it as well!
What games do you play and what Lightweight mice did you try? If you play those tac shooters I can understand why a 60g or less mouse would feel a bit unstable but even 70g is objectively better than 80g. Once you notice how much faster you can move your hand with lighter mice while keeping the same control it’s so hard to go back to heavy ones
@@rixxy5334 I play only CSGO. I get it, light weight mice can be good for low sens or/and finger tip users. I use high sens, relaxed claw grip. I have tried a few 60g-70g mice. 60g for a few days, 70g for a few weeks or even months (Viper and Viper Ultimate) and it was pretty much the same with every mice - lack of stability. I need to feel that stopping power to be more precise. But it could also be that I am too old now :D 10-15 years ago I used to play DM every day, top fragging every single time on the "best" European CS 1.6 DM servers. Basically the lower I go with the weight, the worse my aim gets. Currently at 87g-90g with either DA V2 Pro, ROG Gladius III wireless or G703. My absolute peak was with DA 3.5G. I think that one was around 140g.
@@sedliska ah ye high sens is the only exception for lightweight to be fair, at 18cm I used to need 85g+ to be precise but after practicing my skills in kovaaks I can use up to 65g with 12cm before it’s too unstable. Also helps having a mudpad. But for tac shooters there’s no need to go lower than 24cm tbh
@@rixxy5334 not objectively completely preference and THATS objective i mained the m1k for 7 months 22 grams and never liked it and play FAR better with heavier mice, you gotta understand that 99% of pros play with heavier mice and I’m not saying that they are better it’s complete preference.
I’m waiting white version this mouse. Zowie, pls!?
the real question is, would you prefer the new Zowie's over the Vaxee's? :D
I like the Outset AX, NP-01S, FK2, EC2 and ZA13 all!
How light is the clicks on the new s2-c?
Fairly light, I mention it on the video
What mice or mouse do you main atm?
I like the Xtrfy M4 Tokyo, Outset AX, Xlite Wireless, Superlight, Pwnage Symm 2 a lot atm!
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Outset ax or ec2-c which one would you prefer
Both are amazing in their own way, Outset is in my top 5 best mice definitely, but not 100% sure for the ec2-c as I don't have one yet!
@@hausgaming ok thanks
how is the s2c and ec2b different in terms of shape and feel ?
S2-C is a symmetrical mouse where as the EC2-C is an asymmetrical one, very different shapes!
@@hausgaming i meant ec2 b not ec2 c
How does the s2-c compared to the np01s
NP-01s is way smaller, NP-01 and S2 are of similar size, but the asymmetrical features of NP-01 make it feel different.
will zowie gtfx be reviewed?
Planning to get one soon for a comparison video actually!
what is the keyboard haus?
Wooting 60HE!
If I have 20x10cm hands and use a relaxed claw, would you recommend s1 or fk1?
Both are great, depends if you'd like a higher hump or not!
Which shape is most similar to the Sensei shape?
FK2!
@@hausgaming thank you!
Look like zowie is step up big time.
More like catching up. Nowadays there's a billion mice with low weight and paracord-like cable. All shapes and sizes.
@@Danko_HS I still use a wireless mouse these days.
@@Mike220111 As you should. I use a Viper ultimate myself and once you go wireless there's no going back. I guess it will take Zowie another 5 years before they release a wireless mouse, if ever.
@@Danko_HS , I'm using the viper ultimate, and this is version 2, and the left click and the right click are much better. I like the shape better, viper than the g pro.
Fuck, i had s2 and had problems micro adjusting too but thought its only my aim and bought the s2c but if i watched this video before i would have bought fk2c. fuck it hurts me
s2 or zygen np-01?
Both are great!
What does this weigh on your scale, I never trust company numbers lol.
I don't remember, but I mention it in the video.
god damnit fast is not always good
What?