What's changed for ZOWIE in 2022? The video contains a look at their recent upgrades to the C-series mice (V2). Comparisons with the Zowie ZA13-C, EC2-C, FK2-C and S2-C and information as to which of these mice I still think are viable in 2022.
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00:00 Intro & details
00:31 ZOWIE G-SR-SE Rouge Review
03:55 C-Series V2 changes & Quality/Feel?
05:30 Why ZOWIE C mice are special?
07:09 Which ZOWIE mice are still bangers? + Comparisons
10:12 My favorites & recommendations
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i really like Zowie's attitudes towards all their models: 3 different size with same specifications. Most companies only emphasize their single flagship model without comparable alternatives. maybe good for their business, but surely a lost for customers.
those shapes are the reasons we all play zowie at the end of the day. even if your mouse does not have a zowie logo, chances are it’sbased on one in terms of shape.
And Zowie mice are based on other older mice.
@@Terra101 Loosely based on old mice but not blatant copies like companies make nowadays.
@@rdmz135 The EC series is almost a straight up copy of the IME 3.0. I have heard HeatoN say this before but I now got both and it's really obvious when holding them side by side. That said the EC is a refined better version of the IME 3.0.
Yea true mice producer is Microsoft tbh they made the base and other companies copied
@@deimos4460 I'm using a modded WMO atm, such a good ambi shape.
trying to decide between the ec2-c and ec3-c. i have a medium sized hand right out of the small range. It sounds like you were recommending just trying to get use to ec2 which makes sense because i dont see many pros using ec3 compared to ec2 but figured it was manly a muscle memory comfort thing. currently stuck with old deathadder expert and want to upgrade to something new in the ergo category but maybe a bit smaller.
I do hope zowie goes wireless sooner than later. I would 100% use a wireless fk2 over my current GPX
The s-2 is my favorite shape of all time, the xm1 does compete though. As a claw user there is no better shapes IMP. I need wireless options of these mice as the weight and cable hold the S2 back a lot. a 70 gram wireless S2 would be my endgame mouse
Great coverage!
Good evening hausgaming, I'm looking to buy a mousepad and a feet, to play csgo and valorant, I'm thinking about buying an Artizan zero because of the stopping Power and a Pulsar Superglides because of the small initial friction. Do you have any other recommendations for mousepads and feet for csgo and valorant players? (My mouse g pro superlight)
Xm1r shape is pretty nice though. I got one for £20 like new and it is better than the superlight that I put tiger ice on. Cable is very nice too. If I didn't have a lot of money that would be where I would go over the zowie. Quite expensive for a wired mouse these days when a wireless can be similar. Hoping the xm2w is going to beat everything for me.
They are studying to improve the durability of the gsr i’m really excited for that once it comes out. I want them to make a zowie s3c and fk3-c i love the zowie coating and scroll wheel i hope they don’t change that on there future mouse and i don’t like them to go lightweight route and wireless.
Did they say something about the release date? I plan on getting a new mousepad, but I could wait if the new GSR is coming anytime soon
No release date yet they just said they are studying on how to improve the durability of the gsr
They'll keep the C series so it doesn't matter what they do know lmao. To me the C series are great.
Sorry for the late reply but what i mean by that is when they decide to make a new mouse shape have it in wired version first and then later on the wireless version. Or release both wired version and wireless version
They will 100% go lightweight route because they are objectively better in every single way
Been using the ZA13 C for 2 weeks now. It is very good in deed BUT I will have to say the M42 back hump feels better for me (claw grip 18.5x10 cm) it's smaller and brings same support. Also, had to change the feet on the zowie, black ones are just not good really.. M42 have better stock feet, better clicks, better weight....
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I have a ZA13 and a ZA13-B but for some reason the old ZA13 looks much better for me, too bad it has double click now. Looking forward to try out the new ZA13-C when it becomes available in my country. I also have the GPRO and Viper but the ZA13 is still my favorite, my aim just feels more consistent.
You can fix the double-click, you know
2:10 Can we talk about this edit? It's so smooth 😍
i own plenty of new mice but always find my self going back to the FK2 because for me the shape is near perfect 💯
hi i currently have vaxee pa and love it, is the LGG saturn Pro a good upgrade since this is wearing down? Thanks!
Saturn Pro is a very different kind of pad, not necessarily an upgrade, but a very high quality pad for sure.
What arm sleeves do you recommend? You should do a whole video on arm sleeves, I feel like your explanations and compassions will be very helpful
The cheapest sport sleeve I could find works as well as more expensive gaming sleeves for me!
i recently bought the ZA13-C and its the best mouse i've ever had in shape and performance
Are there any mice similar to the s2, but wireless and lightweight. Except for the mentioned Fnatic Bolt.
I just spoke with Zowie and their working on a new wireless mouse. Hopefully they do it right, since its been taking 3 years already.
That transition from rouge to blue at 2:10 tho
What are you maining atm Hausgaming? Finally completed my collection of zowie c series. I aswell like the s2-c ec2-c and za13-c. Currently testing the control feet vs speed feet from zowie.
Hey! Maining the M42 wireless which I just reviewed!
Hope you get better haus
How do you think this compares to the puretrak phoenix? I was thinking of picking on up because of the recent hype
It's quite similar to the Phoenix!
what is the durability like on the gsr se rouge
Bro, I also have a hand size of 19x10, but something is strange with my preference when it comes to shape. The xLite V2 and EC1-C are too bulky for my hand, and the EC2 & xLite V2 Mini are too small. It doesn't feel right somehow! There is only one mouse that fits perfectly into my hand: the SteelSeries Rival 300. I don't know what to do.
You could try and use the EC2 for an extended period, like 1-2 months and see if you can get used to it!
Im a semipro in csgo, still use the old zowie ec2a. You just got to find what works well for you, and practicing with the same stuff is what makes the greatest improvements.
say ... did you ever think of just updating to the newer version of the same mouse (so ec2-c) or do you think the improvements on the c-series are outweight by loss of muscle memory
@@minutenreis I think it just doesn't matter. Yes I will probably buy that mouse when my current one breaks, but I think it's infinitely better to focus on the aim rather than anything else. Once you find a mouse you like, just stick with it. Do all the mods or anything that makes you fill the best.
Well said, this is true. I used to a be a pro gamer myself and your practice is the most efficient when you are 100% comfortable with your gear
@@hausgaming right. Love your reviews man, always very informative and enjoyable to watch!
I'm just waiting until they make wireless FK2. Best mouse I ever had. Until then I have to be satisfied with G Pro Superlight.
Just a thought on large mice: I gather from your videos, that you almost always have your fingers touching the mousepad at least a little bit and adjust the pressure as needed. Personally, I can't have any fingers touching the mousepad, like ever. I think this is one of the reasons why, even though my hands are only slightly larger than yours (about 20x20), half the mice you prefer just aren't options for me because of their relatively small size.
Yeah, makes sense. I have 3 fingers touching the mousepad whenever I want really, not always all the time. I prefer to adapt to the situation and how I feel with that. Sometimes I want more friction sometimes less!
The ZA is a truly great shape. I haven't wanted to switch off from it since I got it from the last restock. Also, I see that 60HE! Looking forward to your thoughts on it! I opted for the chip upgrade so mine will take a while to ship.
I tried like 25 different Mices and all have like way to shaky/pre travel mouse buttons for me except zowie mice, the only Producer who can fix this Problem for me, wish they would build lighter mices, can anyone recommend me nother mice without shaky mouse buttons? I havent tried vaxeen mice
want to try za13c but it's not available in my country, sadge.
Zowie shapes are still the best, their quality remains unmatched. However the lack of wireless options are seriously hurting Zowie in the mice market. I don't know how much longer they can stay at the top without offering any wireless mice.
Yeah, I'd for sure like to see wireless from ZOWIE!
I’m literally waiting the moment they release their first wireless mouse. It’s an instant buy. I’m using the super light but I’ve never found a mouse as good as Zowies
Is the FK1-C or FK2-C better for fingertip grip ? I have the exact same hand size as you which is 19x10 cm
FK is good for aggressive claw
in direct comparison FK2-C as its just overall smaller and lighter
FK2 probably. The FK1 is more similar to a Viper V2 pro etc so the FK2 or a better FK1 clone would be better.
the double click issue within a year is really terrible considering these are premium price mice and zowie is a old company , they really need to implement the optical switches the way razer has done
Zowie makes the same mice for over a decade but still somehow always messes up in some way. The B series original had sensor coil whine which is so bad, how do you have coil whine in a gaming mouse and pass QA?!
once zowie goes wireless it over for them
hey stupid question but how dose humidity affect mouspads as i never had this problem and i live in ireland where humidity is mild dose it make the glide slower or faste like is its dry it glides faster and with high humidity is the glide slower ?
It usually makes the pad feel sticky, humidity mostly affects me when it gets hot in my room and my arm starts to get moist, all the way from palm to elbow. Not sweaty, but moist. This makes it so that the pad feels extgremely sticky towards my skin. The glide on the mouse is not affected in my environment at least!
@@hausgaming okay thancks for the answer
best tech youtuber out with another upload lets go
Thank you bro!
surprised you didn't mention the m4 when talking about the ec2 and ax. I'm guessing it's cause it's not as safe?
It's an entirely different shape. The point was to compare similar competition! Both being asymmetrical isn't enough
@@hausgaming ah that makes sense. thought you were talking about asymm in general so it went over my head
@@rhapsoz Yeah, it wasn't really clear in the video tbh
My favorite mouse of all time is the Zowie EC2-C. Not too bullocky for my 18x10 hand -meats.
My hand size is 17x10 and i relax claw ec2-c or ec3-c ?
I've been using ec2-a for 6 years, the mouse doesn't get old :D
we have same hand size and similar if not same grip, crazy, what mouse do you main then? 😂
M42 wireless!
Thank u
I want to see if Zowie will develop a wireless version of the mice! I have been using the Xlite V2; my ain is on point, making me happy. I want to try the C from zowie.
if i get a za13-c on maxgaming do i get the v1 or v2?
Not sure sadly, I'd guess the V2
They can't iterate fast enough. And their recent C line wasn't light enough IMO. The FK1+ and EC1 are still too heavy (for when they launched, and as wired mice) when I compare them with other contemporary mouse considerations, like the GPX or Xlite. . So I'd say they're losing relevance. It's not a sudden thing, but you can see the slow shift happening. Just look at how many CS pros use Zowie vs 3 years back. It's halved, if not more.
EC1 is a very big mouse. Its light enough for that size, especially without holes. CS pros are moving off of Zowie because wireless is a real game changer for low sens. If Zowie can release new wireless versions, even if they're heavier they'll do well.
@@rdmz135 so I'm too demanding for expecting a sub 75g or version of a large mouse, when there are mice barely any smaller that are wireless and weigh 20% less? No, they're definitely too heavy based on industry trends. And their build quality isn't good enough to justify it either, IMO. Just look at shell thickness and materials. Wireless is not the only the reason - their mouse feet, clicks, and wheels are all subpar, and objectively so. The primary reason people stick with them is shape. Enthusiasts want wireless, yes, but not even every pro is an enthusiast. There are many pros that just find a mouse that works and leave it there. But when everyone can see Zowie hasn't changed much in years, it's hard to stay on the bandwagon, even if you are a fan like myself.
@@rdmz135 a lot pros also like the lightweight-ness, I doubt they'll go back to a heavier wireless Zowie when they have been using the G Pro X for couple of years now. I have seen CS pros move from EC mice to a G Pro X mouse and stayed on it even though they are completely different shape. Rain for example went from this large ergo QPAD mouse to the G Pro X. s1mple from FK2 to G Pro X, etc.
Industry trend doesn't necessarily mean it's overall better. S2, ZA13 and EC2 are light enough. Not sure why you'd say their build quality isn't up to par, pretty much all companies have had trouble with their initial batches when making their mice lighter. You ofc entitled to your opinion though!
@@nisem0no You know about weight ratios right? Large mice that are light will feel very very weird. The weight should always be in proportion with the dimensions. The GPX isn't a big mouse compared to an EC1 or a FK1+
I feel like they put the wrong coating on my EC2-C V2. It's nowhere near as tacky.
whats up with the wireless lightweight trend. can we not lift 80 grams?
Haha, people are overestimating the importance of lightweight for sure.
@@hausgaming a light weight mouse does sound good though
@@cartierr7485 Idd
did I spot a wooting 60 he? when review?
Soon!
Whats your sens in csgo
0.6 & 1600dpi atm
mz1 wireless video??
Not sure bro!
New Video! Lets go!
Let's go bro!
Were they ever? Scrollwheel says no
ZA13 all the way for claw
What mouse skates is ur favorite for the zowies? Price not a factor
Depends what mousepad you use, imo nowadays it's most of the time not worth it to even upgrade feet. If you use control pads and want them to be feel faster on ZOWIE feet without changing a pad, then I recommend getting Tiger Ice/Corepads/Glass
In my humble opinion, i dont know if "asymmetrical" is the perfect term to use, because some people may not know that "a-" = "not", and may think you're saying "a symmetrical". Granted, you say "an asymmetrical", but still. Do you think it's safer to say "non symmetrical" instead of "asymmetrical"? Or even just say right-handed? Last time i ever seen a "left handed"-only mouse, it was deathadder with maximum 3500dpi sensor from 12 years ago.
Not the best term, but there isn't a better one.. "Ergo" is the wrong term to use but it would be easier to understand!
Can somebody explain to me why ZOWIE still refuses to make an official wireless mouse? Is there any officil statement, an explanation?
They said they're developing it, but they're way behind modern mouse trends. Only developed lighter C series mice 2-3 years late, and are only starting to develop wireless this year.
they said that they are working on it, maybe at the end of the year we see something or early next year
Nice
The best stock cable on the market is the one on the hyperx haste.
No
PLEASE MAKE ZOWIE FK2 AGAIN
Of course they are, and they will be in the next 5 years
you sure you spelled rouge correct?
no
The day that zowie comes out with wireless, it will be endgame for most pro users
Knowing Zowie they'll cheap out on the sensor again like maybe using the 3335. They decided to still use the 3360 on the C series in 2022 for crying out loud.
There is nothing wrong with the 3360. Plenty of people think it's superior for wired than most modern sensors. Also saying ZOWIE will cheap out on sensor for wireless really says that you do not know/understand the company that well 😂
@@paul2609 The 3360 works perfectly though. The implementation is 100% more important. I've used modern sensors with either high LOD or terrible implementation.
Using your mousepad upside down is tickling my OCD
lmao
Sadly imo Xtrfy Mice are pure trash quality.
I have to disagee
@@hausgaming and I'm okay with that. For me all three the m42, the mz1 and the m4 felt cheap. The clicks on all of my copies where off (even on the mz1 with Kailh GM 8.0) HUGE difference in clickfeel they wore off insanely fast. Mouse2 often actuated accidently. I rly would have loved to enjoy the mz1 though. Felt weird at first but later was a blast to use.
@@option_n Agree, Xtrfy M4 died in one year, clicks cheap, wheel is trash. Bought Outset AX after it and quality is on another level.
@@option_n I agree. The M42, no matter how much I play with the mouse I can't seem to like it. It's an aggressive claw only mouse, clicks, shell with holes, feets, cable, all of it feels bad. Idk how they've done that I'm usually not picky with mice at all as I learned on good cheap steelseries mice like the rival 110 as my main for years.
I'm still maining EC2-C, but the QC on these have gone down many levels... Had problems with EC3-C, EC1-C and also with this EC2, but not too much of a problem.
Yeah Version 1 of some c series got flaws. But V2 is nuch better qc issues . Not comparable.
@@MrSofSof received a new batch EC1-C that had issues...
@@wallC_main there is always the one ;)
Yeah, sadly all brands have issues when the tooling changes. Internal structure did change a lot because of the weight reduction!
:)
Nah. My ZA13-C is terrible with that creaky side. Worst out of any mouse I've ever owned.
It's just stupid product from zowie . Buy it in 2022? Hell no =]]