The NCAA: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
The NCAA doesn’t pay athletes because they consider them amateurs. The NCAA considers them amateurs because they don’t get paid.
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If i had to choose between Werner and DeWalt, I'd take the ladder.
I found this joke puntastic.
Well played, sir. You certainly rose to the occasion.
Stinger. (ba-dump tiss)
😂😂😂...nice!
Does anyone know the origin of the DeWalt "I'm just a fan" bit?
Meanwhile in Scandinavia students go to university for free and get PAID to STUDY
Genta Thank you :)
In saudi arabia we get paid to study and complain about not getting paid enough
Victoria Flamel unless you live in Iceland
You don't get paid to study in Norway. Sure, you get a student loan, which is a really good loan with low interested and the government will write off 50% if you finish on time, but you don't get paid. But you're not saddled with life crippling financial problems either, so i like it this way.
In ksa we get pain 250$/month not loaned, but still not enough. Cause we're spoiled shits and every student has a car. Still we complain.
Fun fact; University of Kentucky has, in total, less than 300 students on their various sports teams. One coach is making 7 million dollars a year. If you dropped that to 2 million dollars you could split the 5 million remaining among 300 students and each of them would get just under 17k a year. Oh but tell us again how you can't afford to pay them....
But then they would risk losing that amazing and irreplaceable coach! "Fuck you, fuck me, fuck everybody!" Words to live by!
Taranizs. Seriously, 7 mil$? Who pays for it? The university, the state? I'm not American, and I don't know anything about your school sports system . All these athletes that I see and that clearly without the sport that they practice who knows what profession they would have had and that do not seem to have a great culture, but only dance "cool" on doubtful music come to an end school just because they are a bit good at sports? What kind of coaches are there, I'm not surprised that athletes / students know so little about the world around them. There are many like Cristiano Ronaldo or Cassano (on you don't know that, but he's a '' genius '') ?
Hell ya bro all i gotta do is cut ur salary by half and i can pay these students less than minimum wage! Its easy!
@@ap-hm5lt The point is the annual expense still contains enough money to pay the kids. And if you've handled money before you'll know 2 million is much more than enough for a homeowner with a larger than modest lifestyle. The wage gap doesn't justify itself based on effort here.
If you took half the salary of a coach of a sport team, and gave it to the team you could get a lot more than that per player. Capitalism can really suck.
And by the biggest miracle to all college athletes, the Supreme Court tells NCAA that student-athletes must be compensated.
“ In a 9-0 unanimous decision, the Supreme Court upheld the lower court's decision that NCAA restrictions on “education-related benefits” for college athletes violated antitrust law.”
BUT…..the NCAA gets to keep all the money they make for games including tournaments and bowl games. Student athletes can only make money from likeness rights.
@@usuckthereturn look, its not perfect. But with our system its a win.
@@mechengr1731 > Is revisiting video after the Supreme Court repealed affirmative action Are we sure about that?
@@KidRunnerHaffirmative action, itself, is racist against minorities. Merit based admissions/hiring is the only logical and reasonable way to go.
As a college student, I worked at my schools rec. center and library and got paid for it. I would have never expected to not be compensated for my work. So the idea that students can't be converted to "paid employees" is bullshit. And all the more for athletes. Either the NCAA completely eschews paid sponsorships and converts to a model more like high school athletics in which the coach is also a teacher who only draws a teachers salary, or they pay their student athletes a wage for all the work they do for the school.They should not be able to have it both ways, as they do now.
+Geoffrey Zoref If someone works at their college/university's library or rec centre or office or coffee shop or whatever, that's a job, so they get paid. On the other hand, school sports are an extracurricular hobby, like the chess club or improv acting club.
+BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH474 Actually, no. You, sir, are a blathering idiot. The idea that these people aren't getting paid is nonsensical. Do you think that these people don't graduate? That they just stay shackled to the university forever? No. They get a degree, and they get national recognition. This means that recruiters in fancy suits come and watch them play and then offer them lots and lots of money to go put on a different jersey and do the same thing they've been doing. If not, they have a degree in whatever they chose to pursue that just about every other student in America had to pay for through the nose.
+KAKADOUJACK Yeah... unless they get sick or injured and can't play, then that scholarship vanishes into thin air and they get zero compensation whatsoever and are stuck trying to pay off college AND hospital bills... you know, like we saw IN THE VIDEO. Also the chances of getting to play professionally are absolutely minuscule. Also they can be booted out for things as minor as accepting free food from a fan. Also until recently the NCAA could still be making bank on them years down the line without their knowledge or input. Also the demands of the sport makes actually GETTING their education pretty difficult, and some schools go against the very spirit of an educational institution by giving them easy A's to bump up their GPAs. Yeah, there's a lot of reasons to want to be a student athlete even with the downsides and it's true they do get compensated in some important ways, but don't pretend that means they've got some kind of easy ride.
So let me get this straight: if I go to college on a scholarship that's provided to me because I'm a comm science major and then I fail my comm science courses and lose that scholarship, then that's not fair? Because the whole Idea that it's unfair for an athlete to lose their scholarships if they can no longer play is pretty damn similar. And don't you DARE deign to tell me that "sports make it hard to get an education," because that, sir, is bullshit. Read an article or two (or twenty, there's no shortage of them) on the special tracks that athletes get to their majors. Also, since you decided to bring up the whole "they can be booted out for things as minor as..." argument, I call bullshit on that as well because how many times have we seen scandals in just the past year over athletes whose coaches KNEW they had problems with drugs or who knew about pending rape/assault allegations yet chose to turn a blind eye because the athlete was making money for the university.
+KAKADOUJACK the point is billions are made because of their work their training their swet and tears and everybody profit financialy from it (the NCAA the networks the coachs and the school ) except them how is that fair it's like if you do a job and somebody else get paid for it and the guy profiting form your work give you a service that does'nt even represent 1% of the money you earned him this isn't fair no matter how you twist it
"Fuck you, fuck me, and fuck everybody." I didn't know my dad coached college basketball.
HOW DID YOU KNOW?!
Yo did the coach that gets paid $3 mil a year just claim that there is too much entitlement in the world?
Sure effing did!
> if you're smart ... answer this. a | ■□□ b | □■□ (name the shaded ■ squares) c | □■□ 1 2 3
your profile pick makes me want listen to some Hard Bass all the way to $3 million dollars.
Soybean wind has a very punchable face
Ryan Albers tf
True story - a friend of mine was a VP at Werner ladders. He saw that I had a base model aluminum Werner ladder, smiled, and said "Ah, the widowmaker."
The only people who say "they're not employees" more than the NCAA is Uber Technologies, actually
+Mufti Hossain atleast they pay their drivers :P
Koustuv Sinha I believe you mean "partners"
exactly so! ;)
Mufti Hossain
holy crap! This was 3 years ago and every horrifying detail is unchanged.
almost 4 years ago boy! It hasn't changed
I saw this video and thought he was gonna talk about Zion
ITS ACTUALLY CHANGING
holy crap! This comment was 4 years ago and every horrifying detail is unchanged.
@@pratik92 actually the NBA is allowing high schoolers now
I was a student athlete. I was a walk on who got a starting spot because the first-stringer tore his acl; poor guy lost his scholarship because of it by the way. Because I was a walk on, I wasn't on scholarship. I was a starter for a division-1 school who wasn't even getting my education payed for. Our coach always made us promise not to tell anybody when he bought us food after a game because it was an NCAA violation. I was also pressured to play through several injuries. Fast forward toward the end of our season and I got another injury when I tore my RCL in my hand. The university informed me that as a walk on I had exhausted my annual limit for medical expenses, and that I would have to pay for my RCL treatment out of pocket. I forewent a necessary surgery to repair my hand because I couldn't afford the procedure. My mobility in my left hand will never be the same. And even after I went through all of that, I was informed that I was welcome to rejoin the team the next year as a walk on. I started almost a full season, and they still refused to put me on scholarship the next season. College athletics are just another soulless American corporate cesspit.
What school?
I always wanted to play football but never did. I have the build for it but looking back now I am glad that I didn't tear my body up doing it. If I had made it pro, I would be retirement age with a thrashed body now. Still wish I had a shot to see what I could have done, but stuff gets sore enough from working already!
Sorry that happened to you bro. Hope you're doing better these days.
hi rich. its fucking horrible to say the least what happened to you. i am a rugby man myself and i actually feel lucky i tore my acl. i did that in grade 10. namibia. thats about 2years before senior year. rugby was god at our school,but we were very rural. i wanted to go pro and was earmarked. (namibia is the size of texas with only 2 million people). recent years have fucked up sports badly. good luck man
student atho-leetes
2:23 John: “There is something slightly troubling about a billion-dollar sports enterprise where the athletes are not paid a penny. Because they aren’t!” Random person in the crowd: “Whoo!”
That was weird too.
That is so funny
I think it was more of a cheer of acknowledment that indeed this is fucked and I support the athletes
I think they already knew that they didn't get paid, and was happy that someone was talking about it.
John Oliver, Ladder Enthusiast
He's a DeWalt guy.
DeWalt FTW!
He must have majored in them at Greendale.
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To be fair, DeWalt makes good gear ;)
The worst part about this is how easy it is to fix. Student Athletes should get health insurance and workman's comp as part of their scholarships. And all licencing and enforcement deal profits based on their likeness should go into a trust for after they graduate. And, you know, give them a real education if they want one. Bing bang boom, your students aren't in perpetual fear losing everything to happenstance and you're not a giant shitstain of an embarrassment.
Well put.
That would require them to actually give student-athletes money, and boy do they not want to do that.
But that would be completely against what inter-collegiate sports is all about.
James Purcell Right, insurance and comp is a must. Athletes cant be put in perpetual fear of losing everything. They are not slave gladiators but fucking humans.
Very well put, the problem is the greediest fucks on the planet are the ones hiding millions (and in some case billions), and when you affect their bottom line, suddenly they turn into Emmert. They find any reason not to pay the players, and the NFL/NBA protect the interest of the NCAA because its a free minor league system for them.
2:30 That was the most poorly timed audience cheer I've ever seen in any live tv segment lol
When that dude said "hungry nights", I teared up a little...
I FELT that. And I never went into sports. I just had to raise me and my sister from the time I was 15 cause our mom didn't want to involve us in her dangerous job. And honestly around the time I started going to college and my sis started going to high school, it was all ramen bowls.
think its bs though
Faking expenses to hide profits? Sounds like mega-church thinking.
+Juxtavarious Sounds like anything big in America, be it government, business, church, what have you. Money is power, and power corrupts.
Seems like everything needs a tighter restriction on what can be defined as a necessary business expense. Especially for colleges that pulls this crap and other non-profits.
true
+Jordan Grandjean so true
Grant Anderson
Dabo Swinney: "There's too much entitlement already." (said without the slightest bit of irony.)
I think you mean SOYBEAN WIND!
(Fart)
I am not sure there is something wrong in that statement. His job is to coach and like all employment you get paid based on market rates and your ability and CV. That is different to being a student playing sports, hence his comfort in saying it. Am I missing something here? Genuine question.
TheRadFactor ....again, without the slightest bit of irony, witt, or having watched the video for himself to draw the same obvious conclusion, that literally has to be spelled out. (twice.)
TheRadFactor Let me try to clarify: When colleges argue that they shouldn't pay their student athletes, they pretend that they can't afford to by hiding and spending any profits they make. Sometimes they do this by siphoning money into the coach's paycheck. Dabo Swinney is paid $3,000,000 a year as part of his university's argument against paying his student-athletes even a little bit. Not only that, but his contract states that he can make even more money by trademarking his name, since he's "entitled" to do that.
Can we appreciate how seven years later the thumbnail still has the “press Esc to exit full screen mode”
Who’s here after the Supreme Court ruled against the NCAA?
Me
2nd
I'm back*. Watched this video when it was first released lol
It did?! Im not american so i dont always hear your news, but really?!!!
As someone who isn't from the US what did they rule?
"There is something wrong with a sports enterprise where the athletes aren't paid" *random person shouts "WOO"*
Ric Flair was in the audience
That or Coach Soybean Wind.
+Hati Stylin', profilin', limousine ridin'!
He's clearly one of those people
Jack Myer ayyyyyyy Jack, didn't know you liked John Oliver too.
"Schools can't afford to pay athletes"...Texas A&M just agreed to pay Jimbo Fischer $75 MILLION over 10 years to coach football at a sub-par SEC East football program. They can afford to pay their students. I promise.
Sure, but they shouldn't. They shouldn't be pay exorbitant amounts of money for coaches either. In many states, the highest-paid public employee is the football coach of one of the universities - universities that are supposed to be considered institutions of "higher education" are paying their highest salary to an employee who has nothing to do with academics...
Texas A&M is SEC West, not East. Nice try
@@milliemyers3731 same difference
Heinz Guderian the football and basketball teams are marketing for the university.
in no way is Texas A&M a sub-par football program
Ed O’Bannon is such a legend that it’s just hard for me (real hard) to even understand how he isn’t doing very well, and I realize that life surprises us all with problems and issues and compromises, but O’Bannon is truly a gifted athlete.
my brother is playing d1 football in college and he gets fined for literally anything. late to practice? $15 fine. wearing nike when our sponsor is adidas? $15 fine. shaved your head? $15 fine. college makes a fortune off him, i dont get why he cant make a couple bucks off college.
Christian Hernandez not trying to be a dick. But penn state had similar rules.
Sounds like "company town" rules an old-timey industrialist would set to keep his workers in debt. And those were outlawed a long time ago.
Holy fucking shit, so not only are they refusing to pay them, some schools _fine_ them?
anonwa. So they, the players while they are in high school, they do not receive money ?? Is this happening in America, the land of capitalism? But with what money should they pay the fines? Interesting, and if we add the fact that, if you are in prison, you can become something similar to a slave, because for your work, you will receive 10 cents per hour, it becomes super interesting. Tragic.: ((((((
@@bigotutbigotescu4723 unfortunately, the "slavery in prison" issue is _super_ complicated because of community service. You can't just amend the 13th Amendment to get rid of the clause authorizing slavery as a punishment for a crime because that would outlaw community service in lieu of prison (technically speaking, community service is slavery). That means we'd have _even more_ people in prison who don't deserve to be there.
The south park episode where they compare it to slavery puts it really well
Referring to the Crack Baby episode? That was a solid episode.
That's exactly what this reminds me of. I kept thinking of Cartman saying "student ath-a-letes".
It's slavery except the slaves volunteered knowing it was slavery, that makes it their problem -- not mine.
@@Zeromaus go be stupid somewhere else
@@aaronski108 They could have ya know.. Argued the pay when they signed. Instead they accepted. And quite frankly, when you earn less than mens teams for the team, you should earn less for yourself as well. Sorry people don't watch woman's sports, but it's just that. People don't watch woman's sports. Where is the money supposed to come from?
John oliver from the tiny island comes to US and rips apart every flaw in system in detail. Americans have never learned their shit for thousands of years.
except our country is only a few years old
Altmetalpunk yeah, *would have never learned this shit for years to come.
Altmetalpunk A few years? Really? Not thousands, certainly, but I encourage you to look into the history of your own country, too.
Joshua Harris I know, everybody got shit of their own. No country is shit free, but john has done remarkable job in skinning the american systems and culture for the world to see in a witty sarcastic style. Nobody is perfect, I accept that, but we can learn from each others mistakes and evolve. No disrespect for US or anything, its the most free country by all standards but it has some serious shit to deal with.
anshul katare That was addressed to the asshat that was correcting your "thousands of years" with "only a few years old".
They really missed an opportunity in the beginning. He should have said "between the Werner and the Dewalt, I'll take the latter."
YOU GUYS DID IT! You brought more spotlight to this and the NCAA finally is starting to pay them.
Okay so people are complaining about "professionalizing college athletics" when literally everything about it is professional minus salaries. The intensity of the training, the lack of position stability, the name recognition, and the fact that you as a player are a human billboard for whatever brand gave your team the jerseys
And a video game!
k
aside from a few rules, length of schedule and game..... college basketball these days is literally ALL THE EXCITEMENT of the pros... only there are 6 times the teams and every single player gets paid dick. it's preposterous... and sad.... PAY THE STUDENTS!!!
@@maxwellboothby5932 I think you missed the point of Bailey Edwards comment. You basically agree with her entire comment. Read it again.
As a college student myself I COULD NOT COMPREHEND doing a sport AND classes. I'm dying as it is. Kudos to all student athletes and I hope this situation gets better for you all.
They could just quit the sports and take out loans or get an academic scholarship like most people (myself included). The importance that college athletics are given in the US is ridiculous. And it isn't necessary. Just look at most European countries - sports teams are more like clubs, and that is how it should be since universities are supposed to be institutions of higher education, not athletics. Colleges should have sports teams, but only as a side activity for students who are interested.
I tutored a lot of football players in high school, and they'd always get chided as being lazy when they'd skip the learning center, the writing lab or just flat out ditch a free one-on-one tutoring sesh with myself and other tutors. and i always remember coming to their defense with, "what time did you wake up this morning? oh? 6 am? take a nice jog too? that's great!! what next? classes? hey, i'm impressed. now? you're sitting around and making fun of them for not showing up? some of them are either at meetings, at practice, fitting in time to relax and oh, by the way... i'm pretty sure some of them are back in the weight room tonight. all while getting over their jet lag to play a team in the SEC... 1000 miles away. think about that when you're sitting in the stands this weekend drunk off your ass and in the stands.... because guess what? some of them have a test to cram for too on monday."
Except so many of us do know -- we too WORKed and went to school … That' wasn't easy either, but we did it for the education and we needed the money to pay for our education -- your room, board and food were all covered (Rightfully so) by the scholarship …. But, I do think there could be a medium here -- like allowing students to work a regular job on campus during the sports off-season, workmans comp if they get hurt -- and still be able to go to college, etc.
@@heinzguderian9980 this......ive been preachi g this for so long. But idk of well ever see that sort of seperation of univerisities and serious athletics that they have in europe. It would be much better for the athlete doe.
@@heinzguderian9980 No they really couldnt their education has already been hijacked to the point they will require a redo and the cant afford that loans
My dad was a D1 football player and he always talked about the geology course he took that everyone called rocks for jocks. Lmao
Are you annoyed Ed? Are you annoyed? What a Stewie moment! 😂
it's gotta be a kick in balls to these guys when even a prisoner in Florida makes money stamping lisence plates
It's pretty much modern-day slavery.
Oh my god, that is fucked up.
As someone with family and friends who are or have been locked up, this hit much closer to home than it should have
Let's face it there is a massive number of us that only know these things because John makes it fun for us. Keep bringing us comedic justice.
K G ...it’s not justice, it’s information.
@@yama5182 Information begets justice, despite what Trump will tell you.
I hope like hell it isn't a "massive number". Pretty lazy and pathetic to use comedy as a news source.
@@konraadse9923 who tf said anything good about Trump?
@@yama5182pt
Anyone else binge watching John Oliver? Or is it just me
It's one of my favorite activities when I'm bored af
Kelly Farrar me 👌🏻💯🙌🏻
John Oliver is awesome
🙋🏿♂️I do.
Me too, whenever feeling low
2:29 "They aren't paid" "WOOT!"
I believe taking away a scholarship from an injury player should be outlawed. The schools even for those with career ending injuries should do whatever they can to keep the kid in school until he/she graduates or drops out on their own or transfers.
I say it should be punishable with minimum life, no parole
Perhaps there shouldn't be scholarships for sport in the first place?
you know this bad when the most recent nba 2k game includes a scene of Idris Elba telling a college player he has no more scholarship after getting injured, and your created player can just leave the college altogether
Most scholarships for athletes also help kids coming from poverty, a college degree would be invaluable to those students to break the cycle of poverty regardless of if they get a pro contract. Taking that away is downright cruel and shows how little they care about the well-being of the athletes.
Agree, most schools honor the commitments in most cases
This channel should really be renamed to "How the rich and powerful forget to treat people like humans."
You're giving them way too much credit if you think they're forgetting. They know, and just don't care. Actually, sometimes, that's the whole point.
lol
Or"America is the land of the free billionaires and home of the modern slaves"
Livestock are livestock
@@aflamrecab1 America is far from the only or even main resource of labor slavery. In fact, by comparison, it's not even accurate to include them.
A little confused. PhD students are students who receive cash through assistantships and stipends. I don't see why student athletes couldn't be paid through similar means
If i had to choose between Werner and DeWalt, I'd take the ladder.
A little confused. PhD students are students who receive cash through assistantships and stipends. I don't see why student athletes couldn't be paid through similar means
As a former student athlete myself... I'm glad someone put this out there. It was suffering I was unfamiliar with and didn't know I could speak up about it or even how to do it. As a result, I have a wrecked shoulder from it and was forced to give up my scholarship. My level will never reach the same again.
A "ladder idiot"? I believe those are called illadderates, Johnny.
I will co-opt this without delay...excellent
well... a 7 month delay :P @@superluminalprobabilityclo6884
No
I prefer laddiot.
These types of jokes generally make me cringe, but this one did not
The running joke about DeWalt ladders gives me life
Seems like you're not a ladder idiot either.
It's not a joke, my friend..... he's just a fan
can someone please explain lol
@@mydogsbestfren7490 He is a well known ladder enthusiast
John Oliver loves Dewalt ladders as much as he hates Bud Light Lime
Well California has now finally started things with a bill to recognize student athletes as paid employees.
ZeppoJR The NCAA argues this comes out of their bottom line and will kill them as they know it. The schools and the NCAA won’t need to pay a penny to them, the law states students can get paid other ways, from endorsements to outside vendors. This is the same model of how the Olympics work for athletes, the committee won’t give them shit, but they allow outside vendors to pay them. Why does the NCAA denies this? Well, they claim it kills their bottom line. No, it doesn’t damn it.
they don't have to be employees, they can just be student workers like some other students are. they work on campus and technically so do the athletes.
As a Game Designer... I kinda want to make that game now.
Uh... I don't have the best track record with kickstarter... I'd need a producer or something, and someone to handle the financial aspects. I am a good designer, not so much a good businessman.
Lets just say, I lead an international team for the largest anti-bullying video game in history and despite having people from franchises like Halo, the Lego Movie, and such... Even we couldn't get kickstarted... So... Yeah...
I can picture the game already: Manager mode could be kind of like GTA, just bullying everyone and getting paid. It doesn't hurt to start a kickstarter campaign. I played with Unity3D sometime ago and am a programmer so understand the technical stuff. I'm working on starting a company in a different but if you want we can throw it on kickstarter and see what happens. We can tweet Jon Oliver and Last Week Tonight as well and they might retweet the campaign. You can lead the engineering team.
Well... To be honest Mubhij, I wouldn't go GTA route. If I were designing this... And... Okay, if we had the team and the money to do it... I'd go with an actual story mode... Yes... You are laughing... But hear me out... So, you play a guy who has to manage the team. He's got to get the players, he has to deal with crisis (such as low GPAs) but we use it as an educational platform... So... You can choose to do nothing, and let the student who's GPA has failed... Or you can create the classes... The players who don't make, can't play, thus you lose the game as your team is unsuccessful. Things of that nature. Now, that is just one idea, but through the game you have to set up your team so that they succeed. Such as scheduling them for training, despite it hurting their educational performance. You are forced to make paper classes, to keep your players eligible. You also have to make deals for money from sponsors because the school will fire you if you don't bring in enough revenue. Occasionally players will come to you with problems. You choose how to deal with them... Usually by screaming at them... Threatening them... Etc. Basically, use it as a launch platform to show that if you try to do it nicely, your team suffers in performance. Showing the player, from an in-universe perspective, the horrible choices these guys make and more importantly *why* they make them... I dunno. Maybe I have worked in edutainment and social issues gaming for too many years.
ssevf you get around that by driving the point home through narrative. So you have people act as the voice of conscience, and you make the player care about those people, only to effectively kill them off when they act on their conscience...
what they should do is tell the coaches that they arent going to be paid in cash but with the experience and oppertunites to go coach in the nfl. then see if they still dont want to pay those college kids
Dabo Swinney should win the BS artist of the year award. He would give up his now, 9.5 million a year, yes it has tripled since then? He is full of shit. What a douche. I hate his fucking guts. The man makes 180k a week year around and has the balls to say he would quit if students got paid. Not that he would. I am sure he would take a job paying 50K a year, seeing as he has no qualifications for anything else.
Fucking genius! These guys are unbelievable this highest level exploitation..
A lot of D1 coach’s make more than coaches in the NFL
It's not up to the coaches whether the players get paid.
@@juliebraden6911 but they have no problem getting paid while the ncaa players didn’t get a dime
It’s crazy this vid was made 4 years ago and literally nothing changed at all
Do not use the word literally to add emphasis literally almost everything has changed every person depicted has aged new contracts have been signed new sponsorships the crowds are different
This topic has been talked about for decades, and nothing has really changed. Many people who deliberately break the rules by paying athletes the $500.00 handshake and such believe that the colleges owe them something more than just an education. To make matters worse, there are honest fan just trying to help, but don't know the rules and still gets their favorite college in trouble. The rulebook was once over 1000 pages long until this most recent edition. Still...
The NCAA did recently rule the student athletes can make money from their likeness but not their performamce directly
Kid: You know the crazy thing about this, you didn't get paid
I wish the all players would agree to purposely fuck up the games as a way to protest. Walk the ball through the court & don't make any effort to actually score. Lol
That would actually be worth watching.
People would gladly watch them fuck up the system. lol
I'd watch it!
Too bad they have no choice...its go for it, or mcdonalds
+Peter Lohnes Its better than fucking up an insignificantly stupid Contract and then lose every progress that you've made in college. Less pressure, more time, cleaner future for college payments.
This shit makes me rage and I don't even give a shit about basketball. Damn you John Oliver for making me care!
"They're not employees, they're students. Oh what did you say? The college pays some students to do things like supervise dorms and work as tutors?"
A large part of the problem is that not every scholarship is created equal. 40 years ago, the average cost of tuition was just $1000 for public schools and $4000 for private. Now the average is $11,000 for public and about $34,000 for private. Tuition alone can range from just $6800 (Cal State Fullerton) to over $61,000 (Columbia University). Now add in room and board and you see the discrepancy. Why not just put a dollar amount on scholarships and pay the players the difference??? The highest paid state employee in every state is a college sports coach. If they can afford to pay multi-million dollar contracts to coaches, they can at least feed their students.
I love how John Oliver explains things
if my university can pay me $150 a semester to screw around on the radio there really isnt very much of an excuse.
So happy to hear NCAA has made significant changes since this aired.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Strip the coaches of their money and tell them that they can be paid a professor's normal salary and that's it. No radio shows, no side hustles, nothing. See how fast things change when you cut off their money.
As a poor college student, I did not believe student athletes should get paid. I was jealous of their scholarships. But there's a group of football players living in my dorm, underneath us. And there are a couple of student athletes in my class. These are students at a Big Ten university. Seriously, all they get is the tuition, room and board. Books? Nope. Hygienic products? Nope. Literally anything you can't put on a student account? Nope. All they do besides classes is football and basketball.They literally cannot do anything else. Jobs are almost out of the question. One guy I met, who has twins, cannot get help paying for daycare for his kids - and he can't work because of the sports season. We have a daycare on campus, but it's only discounted for faculty only AND all the spaces are full. The university screws me over on a regular basis, but I don't necessarily make them much money (I sure as hell ain't donating after I leave). These men and women are literal CASH COWS and they get jack shit compared to what they earned for the university and the NCAA (nonprofit my ass). And by the end of the day, a lot of these people might end up with debilitating injuries that won't heal (like one of the football players that lives in my dorm), and it's not like a college degree does anything for you in this economy except make you overqualified for a retail job. So yeah, they deserve to get paid. They are providing a form of labor and are not being properly compensated for it. Never mind the blatant racism. Seriously, SWAHILI? African American Studies? Lemme guess, they are only allowed to eat watermelon, grape soda and fried chicken too, right? That was so fucking gross.
Jennifer Collins They can always quit...and use condoms.
bordy217 so because someone is in college they can't have kids? I was PREGNANT with twins and had to drop out a year from school to take care of them and work then came back to finish my degree. If I had been an athlete I would have lost my scholarship because I had a family. How fair is that? Hint, it isn't fair nor right. It's downright unethical to treat student athletes that wat
April R way*
haart123 so you're saying their aren't any greedy old black man working for the ncaa? Racist bullshit.
April R That's not what I said. If you are pregnant, you can't play. Why should they honor your scholarship? You didn't honor your commitment to play the sport. It's not the NCAA's job to support your kids. If you have a kid and have to support him/her, you have to quit sports and get a job.
"This whole system seems fundamentally flawed." I'm learning about a distressingly large number of fundamentally-flawed systems in our country from this show...
I am getting the impression that everything is fucked up in America from this show and I am sure they are not saying lies because I sometimes double check the things they say. At least it makes me feel good that I am living in Europe.
The fundamental systems that creates systems seems to be fundamentally-flawed so that it only creates fundamentally-flawed systems.
Yes, this show really helps Muricans understand why the whole rest of the world is laughing at them. Very educational. Entertaining, too.
@@Gaius__ That is if Muricans are willing to listen which most aren't.
@@tsvetelin6556 While the US is fundamentally flawed, every time I see a comment like "i'm glad I'm living somewhere else" it makes me roll my eyes honestly. Brexit, Boris Johnson, the Italian elections? Come on man, EVERYWHERE is fucked up. The US just seems moreso because John Oliver reveals a ton of it that definitely should be changed. But if a show like his ever came to where you live I'm sure he'd turn up just as much crap. It's like Putin's What Aboutism. "Oh you think my country is dumb? What about yours?". While it is true, that doesn't mean the US is in any way worse than Russia. While I have NO idea if the place you live can compare in any way, the fact of the matter is you're being highly presumptuous and assuming the US is a hell hole. Fact of the matter is, the US may operate like a museum Giftshop, Football stadium or a Tourist Trap where everything looks cool, but is also freaking overpriced to the max, that doesn't mean its the worst place on Earth. I'm sure its nice to live in Europe, it's also nice to live in the US. It's also nice to live in Japan, and its nice to live in Taiwan. I know that, cause I lived in all those places. The US has the best fast food, and safest places to drive. Taiwan is safe and healthcare is the best in the world, plus you can live on eating out because everything is cheap (but that's only cause I get paid a US salary while working here). Japan's got tons of wonderful shrines, and anime and I was born here. Europe has tons of places to visit, plus I love the mythologies that came from this place. Now there's also this. The US's corrupt systematic racism towards asians and blacks alike. Taiwan's current president, and its dirty air pollution, and having to deal with China. Japan's immense sexism that those of my gender must always be submissive to be attractive, and overworking their citizens to the point that they have a suicide forest now.. plus their inherent bigotry towards same sex couples like me and my fiance. And lets not unload about Brexit shall we? And yes I already mentioned Boris Johnson, who had his very own John Oliver episode, oh goodie! Oh did I forget to mention that the Royal Family's treatment of Meghan and Harry is kind of BS? So my counterargument here is that any time one says "Oh the US is crap, glad I live here." It only qualifies if the US is a third world country, North Korea, or Turkmenistan, some other dictatorship, or you're a qualified expert in world affairs and anthropology. And that's the other way around too. A US citizen can't legit say "Oh that other country's shit, I'm glad I'm in America' unless its uber glaring obvious the other country is shit or they are an expert in the matter.
Mike Leach was a treasure
There is now literally a game called Top Eleven where you get to be a football manager. Nice prediction, Johnny!
The final line made the whole ending so perfect 😂😂 "LWT Sports... it's in the shame" 😂😂
EA got shit for no reason though
this game is the bull shit!
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@@Merthalophor --- Seriously? EA deserves all the shame it got, plus a whole lot more.
@@Merthalophor ... what rock have you been under since, well, forever?
What the colleges should do (and never will) is to create actual majors in sports that are actually good majors. They could include education classes, classes in contract law, sports management, coaching, psychology, and of course, they would get course credit for being on their sports team, just like Drama majors get course credit for learning acting, and dancing, etc. Both are entertainment majors which rarely result in making it to the top level of the profession. Why is it OK to have a major in Drama, but not in Football? If their major is the sport they play, then they would not have as large a class load outside of their sport, but they could learn skills that could allow them to easily go into other aspects of the sports industry, such as being an agent, coach, personnel manager, scout, broadcaster etc. It's a big industry - why not create majors to prepare students to succeed in it?
Nice, you need to go big time to spread this great idea. Easy transition from college or pros to get a job in the field you've been around all your life.
Jay TS I am actually trying to do this. My ex-wife's uncle (I am still on friendly terms with her and him, though I do not know him extremely well) works for Tom Izzo as a scout, and video coordinator. He retired from coaching at one of Lansing's largest High Schools, and Tom asked him to come and help out at MSU. I hope to flesh out this idea into a serious proposal and get it before him in hopes of getting it to the athletic director and university president. I don't think any AD in college has shown himself to be a better "out-of-the-box" thinker than Mark Hollis, and I think that honest coaches like Izzo would appreciate ending the hypocrisy that now rules the "student athlete" paradigm.
Pat Doyle Or a class in stock trading, being as that is how most millionaires and billionaires became and remain so wealthy.
jjr04001 Right. Or at very least teach them money management skills so that if they do get to the next level, they don't end up broke. The minimum salary for anyone who makes an active NFL roster is $420,000/yr. So even if all you manage is to make a team and hang on for 3 or 4 years, you should be set for life, yet many are not. But no matter what, if we reduce the non-sports class load, it is not unreasonable to expect them to actually be able to take and pass some tough subjects and get valuable skills. But it is the rare kid with the brains and the discipline, and the academic background to be able to put in the huge hours required of them for the sport and also handle a serious college major. But make the sport the major, and they can be trained to be successful in a huge industry.
***** I am familiar with it, but that is like calling mathematics an engineering degree. A grounding in it could be a part of a major in sports, or a minor that an athlete could have. But that major solves none of the athlete's problems, nor does it prepare them for their chosen profession, any more than learning to operate a camera prepares one to be an actor, director, producer, or film critic. It does not help reduce the non-sports workload of the athlete (effectively giving them a very difficult double major) and it does reflect the actual career goals of most of them.
Just caught this one six years later and it's gold. By the way, PhD "students" also work as researchers and teachers on "20 hour" appointments that somehow consume ~60 hours per week, and our bosses (Principal Investigators, project leaders, etc) regularly bar us from taking our own classes and taking advantage of professional development opportunities. But when we try to address workplace abuses, our universities always try to argue "they're students, not employees!!"
“March madness one of America’s most sacred traditions.” *2020 has entered the chat*
If you watch the documentary "Schooled", you'll see that the amateur status also makes students not being able to make money by themselves through sponsors or commercials. Imagine a math student that isn't able to have a paid job where he can use his math skills because he's "only a student"....
+Nils Lager Thats what I thought, the NCAA makes a billion dollar revenue and not only do they not pay the students anything, they also have the audacity to ruin these people's careers if they get money from anywhere else.
+Nils Lager Oddly enough that is exactly what happens to postdocs in Italy. They get low wages and no maternity leaves or unemployment help because it's not considered a job. Even though you can't have another job while you are a postdoc. Which is the reason why most Italian researchers leave Italy to reach other European countries.
+BurnTrees The NCAA also funds every other sport that nobody watches.
Shabazz Napier is playing for the Portland Trailblazers now. He is a very solid player. Glad that he made it to the NBA.
Planet Money actually did a great episode a few years ago on this and they explained that the ONLY exemption to Americans anti-trust laws is the NCAA. It’s explicitly carved out of anti-trust laws because even from the beginning they knew it was terrible not to pay athletes.
Love the “Press escape to exit full screen mode” on the thumbnail lmao, also John looks so much younger
We'll give you free trumpet lessons which you'll be too busy to do, but if you don't learn to play the trumpet you're fired. Lol oh man that's accurate and fucked up.
Dallas Farmer But dont college kida on scholarship have to maintain good grades and get kicked out if they dont? Are these guys special? They CHOOSE to do this. CHOOSE is the key word. Stop bitching.
SmithN’ Wesson True but even the most fucked up jobs in the country has some benefits to their workers, especially when injured to the point of not being able to do that job anymore
The right athletes will get the right grades regardless. Hence the paper classes. In essence it should have been "You are going to be a nurse for us, and in return, rather than money, we're going to give you trumpet lessons...we don't give a shit whether or not you actually learn how to play the trumpet, we just want 4 years of 'technically compensated' nursing from you. But if you suck as a nurse, or in any way can't continue to do that (technically not a) job, then you lose both the nursing position, and the trumpet lessons."
John Oliver's show is the best late night show out there. informative and hilarious
2:28 "The atlethes aren't paid a penny, they're not." Audience in the Background: WOOH
that little "Woo" in the audience as Oliver says NCAA athletes arent paid is probably Kelly Loeffler
Dabo Swinney gets paid 7.5M per year as the highest-paid employee at Clemson University. Talk about entitlement, you hypocrite.
Seriously, they could pay $50,000 for each football player ($5M for 100 players) and he'd still be a millionaire. Ugh it's so crazy. 😒
Sorry we embarrassed your team. Lol. Good luck in life
Soybean Wind!!!!
It's that time of week again when John Oliver reminds us of how shitty the world is through an enjoyable but depressing program.
If you don't know about a problem you can't fix it...
Andrew Thomas Well you can't fix it if the people causing it don't give a single fuck about what you think or do.
"the world" - I think you mean the USA?
More like how bad the USA is. Not that other countries are better but still he doesn't cover them.
Ian Neilson Boy, I bet you don't read the news a lot...
Grown-ish discussed this in one of the episodes just a year ago and all the circumstances explained here haven’t changed at all
"Do you want a stadium across from your stadium?" That is literally what the Texas Rangers wanted and got.
I was under the impression that America abolished slavery
and that's why America is awesome! /s
Yes, the /phrase/ was abolished, not the concept.
***** These schools hold student-athletes hostage essentially. They trick high schoolers into signing a contract only breakable if they get injured. Then they give them a sub-par education and don't allow them to get their own job to ensure they spend all their time training. They hold their 1.6% chance of a future in sports over them to make them work harder and harder. Sounds an awful lot like a slaver telling his slaves he'll free them one day if they work hard. Which is what a lot of masters told their slaves.
Change the wording and you find a loop hole in the law. Hmm...I think that was on a different LWT episode. Short-term lenders?
I thought paying for their education, room, and board, were payment enough. I mean considering the amount of debt most leave college with that many of these athletes won't be saddled with. Hardly slavery.
As a college student who works part time and goes to school and does extra curriculars and barely gets time to eat or sleep, I cannot imagine being an athlete and surviving college. It's so pathetic, this is slavery and exploitation. Idk if this applies to my basketball but in my school, squash athletes get free housing, ab free meal plan and free tuition.
* basketball team
The squash team?!?!?
Graham Strouse yeeep. One of their best players even got kicked out for not maintaining the minimum GPA of 1.0 (2.0 is needed for any student to stay in school) and they took him back after he improved his grades after one term...so ya.
From my understanding, the top players get those scholarships. Bench players get partial scholarships mostly. I’m totally behind not paying college athletes, because that is the whole concept of student athletes. However, there needs to be non-monetary compensation. The athletes should have all their food paid for by the athletic department. They should have their housing paid for by the athletic department. They should have their whole education guaranteed, so if they get hurt they can finish college as if they were still on the team. Either that, or treating training and games as jobs and all student athletes from the top down get paid the same salary. That way the money they’re getting isn’t related to their skill level, and can’t be used as a recruiting tool. It doesn’t even have to be large, like $20 an hour or something.
Aish Siva agreed!! Those players need to stand up for their rights!!
the rocket ship part aged SO WELL
I'd agree that PAYING for PLAYING might be distracting. But reimbursement of limited costs, providing decent diet and sleeping conditions, medical insurance and supervision (physioterapists etc) and establishing a fund to pay for actuall education later ( bound to be interest free, but returned if subtandard score is achieved) seems more like part of very resonable sporting package.
It's distracting to be paid for a job but doing the same job for free isn't a distraction?
if what they are doing is generating revenue, then they are working, full stop. Full tuition and room/board are not a fair trade for the amount of work that goes into being a student athlete. They're performing the same job as any athlete at the pro level.... at the VERY LEAST they should be making min. wage or this is a cut and dry example of indentured servitude - bordering on slavery. Argue that it is voluntary but I bet you'd argue that being employed is necessary, right? This is their livelihood, this is their skill and talent and not simply a hobby like fucking little league. If the college is profiting off of them it cannot simply be treated as a fun extracurricular activity. It's a J-O-B
"This game is a bullshit" best way to describe an EA game
Want some loot boxes kid?
These college athletes don't get paid for all their hard work, meanwhile I get paid as a staff writer at my college's science fiction and fantasy literary magazine.
A video on NIL and collage sports is really needed!! Thanks have changed so much
It was the “Swahili” classes for me! 😂😂😂
How the hell dose this not count as slavery?
It doesn't count as slavery because it's an official signed contract, unfortunately. And one of the biggest way to actually go pro. And the small percentage that do go pro from college sports just shows it's almost impossible without starting in college.
chemtrails
I'd say collegiate athletes are more like indentured servants rather than slaves :/
Because they signed a contract. You can sign away every single human right you have and it's perfectly legal in America.
Shredded Wheat not true. A contact cannot violate the law
20:50 "...coined the term 'student athlete ' to avoid paying workman's comp. to injured ballplayers. WOW!!
Coaches calling players entitled when they get paid and players dont is the height of hypocracy lol.
They don't want their players getting paid because that would lower their salary of it happens
Mark Emmert looks like either *a freeze-dried Newt Gingrich* or a _dry-cleaned_ one.
I'm from Iraq, I live in Canada, and after watching this I actually had tears in my eyes for these athletes
You are a rare man of great empathy. I tip my fedora to you, neighbor!
Yasser Saadi maasha allah a good man indeed.
Yasser Saadi same here! It's just not fair. Especially if they are hungry!!
Every single student athlete gets at least 40k a year. This video is bullshit.
yea bro, it hurt so much watching that poor guy at 3:15..! you could see the pain in his eyes, that poor young man is literally starving and this is his cry for help, i just wish i knew how i could help him and everyone else in that situation, i don't even live in the U.S(thank god!!).. the U.S have never care about the 99% people, the 1% elite are the only ones that matter.. -.- that's truly fucking messed up!!!!
What I hate about this is that professors are allowed to take college classes at the school they work at for absolutely free in most schools. In a way, that is a paid employee and a student. Yet the idea of paying a student for playing a sport that is making money for a school is outrageous. What the fuck, man?
I'm studying law at UniSa. Most of the lecturers and tutors are students themselves.
Full of shit rule making
“You know the crazy thing about this is you didn’t get paid” lmao yo kids can be so cruel my heart would’ve fell through my entire body
“Student Athho-Letes? Why that’s brilliant Sir”.
March Sadness should be a real game and the profits should go towards workers comp for student athletes
I think its un-conscienceable that you can get put out of school for inability to pay tuition when you literally gave them the best of yourself and got injured. They need to have some sort of fund for that. Its disgusting. That would be like someone working for you, they get hurt and you fire them. YOU are the reason they got injured.
pixpusha No them choosing to play the sport is why they are hurt. No one forces them to play THEY CHOOSE TO. Your saying that I need to be paid because I want to play basketball? How dumb is that. Shpuld i pay you because you like to cook or go fishing?
That's not the point. You are essentially working for the school in exchange for an education. If you get hurt they can just take your scholarship without any further notice, leaving you with nothing. Imagine if you were injured at your job and they fired you without any compensation whatsoever. This is why college athletes who are injured should get to keep their scholarship, or at least be compensated.
As much as SmithN' Wesson is obviously a college basketball coach looking at half of his posts here...there is a point underlying the stupidity of his comment. You enter an agreement that you are exchanging your ability to play sports, for their ability to teach you. BUT...where this agreement falls apart, is in the level of control and balance. You get a "paper degree" and they get a multi-million dollar enterprise. These kids are expected to have the same amount of output as professional athletes, on *top* of maintaining grades (as laughable as they may be) *and* trying to establish their own futures. For millionaire coaches and team owners who insist beyond reproach, that the students are "amateurs". The *only* way to level the playing field is to remove exterior endorsement. There simply is no way to balance that much money with one-way control. "Amateurs" simply should not pull in more money than the highest level of professionals...this I mean in regards to March Madness making more than the Superbowl almost twice over. If you are a *student*-athlete competing in something of that magnitude...your quality of education should be *fucking incredible*...not this current "oh yeah, you know Swahili now" bullshit.
Which is why there should be disability insurance of some sort.
Yes, it's true they entered voluntarily, but so does every other employee in the US! Why should literally everyone else in the country be able to receive compensation for injuries on the job, OR at school, EXCEPT these guys? Who work 80 hours a week, and give their whole bodies to their sport, & drive a shitton of money to the school?
I did the Maths on this one: Let's say that the guy at 14:20 coaches a team of ~15 player. He makes 5 mil $ a year. Even if you would only take 1 mil $ of this to pay the players, each of the players would still have an anual salary of ~67000$
Four years later..... STILL a major issue
Here is something to consider: Not all athletes get full scholarships, or even scholarships at all. Only 85 scholarships are available for a football team of 120 men. Only 9.9 scholarships are available for a wrestling team of 30+ men (I typed that correctly, 9.9). Some sports don't have scholarships at all. But people are quick to say these athletes are whiners and don't do anything in class or for the school in general. Go figure.
Exactly, in D3, there is literally a rule that athletic scholarships CAN'T be given. It was great tacking on 5 hours a day for basketball on top of the other rigors of school simply for the love of the sport. Our choice I suppose but I find it a little crazy that the kids who have ZERO chance of playing professionally and NEED the degree, get stuck with a lifetime of student loan debt...too late for me but some things really need to change.
I love how he talks about DeWalt ladders so much
They make quality ladders
The last national championship makes me grin at that Dabo Swinney clip. Better luck next year, Soybean Wind.
"How did he know?" - Wes Anderson