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The 7mm has been a long-time favorite for long-range shooting. So, it just makes sense Hornady added the 7mm PRC to the incredibly popular PRC family. Will it leave all the current 7mm’s in its cartridge dust? If you’re a 7mm fan, are your current rifles now obsolete? Will it be your new lucky-number-7 next fall? Tune in to find out.
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I'd love to see Ryan and Ron Spomer in a video together! Maybe play a little "cartridge wars" game along with just a normal video!
Your kidding? Theres no comparison between Ryan and Ron. Thats like comparing chaulk and cheese,chaulk being ron spomer and the cheese being ryan. Ryan would literally run rings around ron when it comes to cartridge knowledge.
@@IDGAF56852 I think the comparison is more in how Ron demonstrates the "old" cartridges aren't really as out-matched by the new kids on the block, especially when it comes to considering how much people nitpick the numbers to a point that an animal will never notice the difference on.
@Chris Fouts not all of us shooters are after animals are we? I shoot targets at long range so the little things make a huge difference when your hitting a 6 inch x 6 inch target @500 yards plus.
@@chrisfouts1720 and a lot of the old cartridges are out matched by the newer ones in some instances.
@@IDGAF56852 @badger jamees no doubt! The quest for a cartridge that's as flat as a laser will never end. All things application specific. The argument from the video is a round that'll do both target and hunting AND trounce the other stuff already on the shelves. I think the drive for a conversation between Ron and Ryan would be to help clear the air of ballistics so the person looking to either simplify or start for the first time can make an educated decision without splitting hairs and getting mired down in the numbers, agreed?
In South Africa, the 6.5mm cartridges are often considered too light for our larger game (although 6.5x55 has been used extensively by hunters for decades). If you rock up on the farm with a 7mm though, your host and everyone in your hunting party are probably going to feel more confident in your rifle's takedown abilities. I think it buys you insurance (and confidence) as Ryan said. Love the 10minutetalk cartridge talks, please consider doing a #10minutetalk on the 7x57 Mauser.
My buddy runs a lodge and guide service in Alaska....6.5 belongs on a range, not in the field.
@@bkw8290 is your buddy aware that 6.5x55 has literally been used on moose for probably over 100 years in Europe? Its proven to be capable. With that said, I too would choose a 7mm.
@terpsurfer I'm talking 6.5 CM not 6.5x55. And regardless, there are more appropriate hunting rounds. I dropped 3 162g ELD-X in an inch and a half group at 200 yards in my moose last year. No, it didn't go far...but, seeing the resilience of the moose and knowing I come across grizzly every year hunting "out there"... I went and picked up a 300 PRC.
@@bkw8290a good friend of mine shot his first moose with a 6.5 Swede with 1 bullet in the upper shoulder and lights out. Crank it up with handloads and it's spicy. I set my son up with a Tikka t3x in 6.5x55 and it slays deer
go with a .300 PRC and you'll have no worries at all. shoots amazing and no recoil at all
And yet the 7wsm, with similar performance in a short action, is overlooked once again.
It's overlooked because of that neck. If they would have just left it as long as the 300wsm (parent) they would have had a round that would be within 50 f/s of the 7 prc. Also it's spec on twist rate for factory made guns limit it as well.
Mountain raven, I've got a 300wsm and my good friend has a 7 wsm and I've got both cases in my hand and there ain't much difference, and he doesn't have any issues with 175gr ABLRs out of his 24" model 70. He can stack them, I can't comment on his velocity because he hasn't checked it. I don't care either way because my 300wsm comes out at 3100fps with 180gr ABs out of my 24in model 700 cdl.
Ryan, I think the 7 PRC will do the same thing to the 7 rem mag that the 300 PRC did to the 300 win mag. Not hardly affect it at all
You are spot on just another reason to try and get you to switch over to Hornaday ammo and calibers which are good but will make no diffence when hunting game at proper ranges!
I do think the 7 PRC has one notable advantage in this situation compared to the 300 PRC, as it has the same COAL as the 7mm Rem Mag it "replaces". The longer length of 300 PRC compared to 300 Win Mag ensured that it wouldn't fit into many 300 WM box mags (including the ever popular PMag), not to mention it doesn't fit into some popular 300 WM actions, such as the Tikka T3 and Model 70. On the other hand, it literally only takes a new barrel to convert any 7mm RM or 300 WM rifle to 7 PRC. That said, ammo cost and availability ensures that unless you handload and/or aren't on a budget, the 7mm RM will remain the better choice for many people for a very long time yet.
Agree. If you currently own a magnum I don’t see any reason to go out and pickup a prc atm. Yes the prc edges the magnums out but not by huge significant margins. That being said if you are new to “magnum” cartridges, or looking to retire your current magnum; then prc is the way to go. That’s why Ryan is sticking with his 280ai. He’s invested, as are most current “magnum” shooters. The margin of gains is not worth completely starting over atm.
@Jerobi Lee when I bought my 300 win mag, I deeply considered the 300 PRC. I bought my WM in February of 2021 and between international cartridge availability and the slightly lighter recoil (about 5-7 lbs less), I saw no reason to go to the prc. The 300 WM is more than capable of taking any game that I'm going to hunt with a 30 cal, at distances I'm going to comfortably shoot game. That said, my long range shooting friend just picked up a 338 lapua for shooting passed a mile and I am considering getting the prc so I can continue shooting at the same distances he's shooting with better BC bullets. But that rifle is going to be a 20ish lb rifle whereas my WM is closer to 8.5-9lbs loaded
@@chadillac95 no lie about the weight. My shooting partner picked up a bergara 300prc as soon as they came out. Thing weighs a ton. He is currently wishing he would have waited for the 7 prc though. For his purposes the 7prc would have been a better choice. Which is kinda why I think hornady released the 7prc last. If they’d released it before the 300prc I think most knowledgeable shooters wouldn’t buy it at all. Unless your hunting African big game, or in your case ultra Lr, the 300 prc is just to much. Same argument could also almost be made with 7rem mag and 300 win mag. Shooters unfortunately are stuck in the mindset of bigger is better, but with modern technology that’s no longer the case. Many arguments have been had over this. “My personal opinion” again “my personal opinion” is the 6.5 needmoore and the 7prc are currently the best do all cartridges on the market. Needmoor will get you from medium to large whitetail, 7prc will handle everything above that, without being just omg to much.
Shooting a 6.5 Creedmoor for the first time this year after shooting most of the older (and still great) calibers over the last several years made me a believer in the accuracy of these new chamberings Hornady is coming up with. So I'm interested in the 7 PRC for sure.
God I love you guys. The mix of your three personalities is podcast magic! I literally fell asleep last night listening to the old 7mm-08 cartridge talk and now I'm waking up with 7mm PRC.
You are right. Perfect blend of personality
Agree
When Ryan and Mark talk the most, those are my favourite episodes
Ryan should be in all podcasts!
I do not like the 7mm pretty much at all, if I need to go smaller than a 30 it’d probably be 264, better BC’s most of the time & and almost always flatter trajectory. That said, the 7mm PRC does intrigue me because it actually does have the ability to use heavier bullets at great velocity. 7mm-08 is about the only other .284 that I could see getting but only is an ultralight mountain rifle.
Ryan said EXACTLY what I've said about 7PRC. It is a cartridge that does what the 7 Rem Mag can do at the top of its game in a custom rifle, but it does it in a factory rifle with factory ammo. This is an option for people who want to extend their effective range on large game like elk or even moose who may not be able to afford (or have space) for a reloading setup. This is a factory rifle that when paired with factory ammunition, can be expected to reliably perform on game at distances as far as 900+yds. As far as 99% of people will ever shoot, this round will perform. I'm wanting a 7PRC to be my "performance" rifle: bolt action, match profile stock, high power long range, because at the moment my "full power" rifle is a .30-06 which is certainly capable at respectable distances, but the rifle it's chambered in is NOT a tack driver. At best my '06 (Remington Woodsmaster 742) can print about a 2-3moa group which is fine for whitetails in my Tennessee woods, but I'd personally never push it further than *maybe* 150yds in my rifle because of its lack of accuracy. The 7PRC in a quality bolt action can be expected to put up at least sub MOA groups if not better, which is basically a requirement for me if I plan to shoot farther than 300yds. *Edit, Bergara does not offer a 7PRC currently, but boy do they need to! A B-14 HMR would be amazing in 7PRC.
Barrel burnout ? I hear anything as big as 30-06 or bigger can suffer from barrel burnout within a short time frame . Looking at getting a 300 WM but most likely will try to load it to 300 blackout power ratings or 308 for most of my shooting needs .
@@Airon79 it's just not a super accurate rifle, it's an older semi-auto design from the 70's-ish. My grandfather gifted it to me for my 18th birthday and I treasure it, and I've taken deer within 200yds no problem. He only ever shot it when he was hunting or making sure it was zeroed for hunting season so I doubt that the barrel is burnt out. .30-06 isn't really known for being a barrel burner, it's got a decent enough powder capacity, and some of its necked-down offspring like .25-06 can be barrel burners, but it's mostly about powder capacity AND bore diameter. 6.5 PRC is harder on barrels than .30-06 (but not a massive difference) and 6.5 creedmoor is harder on barrels than .308, but again it's just barely a difference. You should be able to get 2500-ish rounds out of a .300WM no problem, don't worry about it too much. If you shoot enough .300 to burn out a barrel you can probably afford to rebarrel it every few years. Unless you're practicing and shooting matches with it regularly it should last you quite a while.
the Bergara b14 squared crest in 7prc is being built but try to find one now lol. I'm hoping Tikka comes out with one in 2024. I liked a lot of what you had to say in other posts iv'e seen here and you are on the right track. I'm an old guy and came up with a spicy reply to an old "Fudd" that claimed 190 gr 7rem mag 3000fps. but I deleted it lol. this 7prc is here to stay. I'm just waiting for the right one to show up. @@Kross8761
Except people aren’t getting the velocities with factory ammo with factory 7PRCs… and most people are neutering the 7prc by getting them in 20/22in barrels for suppressors so you’re losing a lot of potential velocity. The only benefit is 7PRCs barrels are 100% coming with 1-8 twists but some companies like browning are doing that with 7rem mags. Personally I don’t see how a 7prc is leagues better than a 7rem mag…
@@eddielombera5862 I've seen velocities very close to what it says on the box. And while it's 100% true that shortening a barrel is going to reduce velocity, the modern "short-fat" cartridges like the PRC's the WSM's and even AR cartridges like 6.5 Grendel and 6ARC have proven the powder column efficiency makes almost as much difference as raw powder volume, and can (somewhat) make up for shorter barrels. I've seen 7PRC's with 20 inch barrels put up numbers with box ammo that is still very respectable and beyond what a 20inch (or likely even a 24inch 7mag could ever dream of with the same bullets because of the powder column efficiency. A shorter but fatter powder column will always burn faster and more consistently than a long skinny powder column, that's just how physics work and we haven't found a way to cheat physics yet or none of this would even matter. I'm not saying (and have NEVER said) that 7mag is a bad cartridge, what I AM saying is that in terms of every single performance characteristic the 7PRC is better. The only reason the 7mag WILL STILL hang around for years (because it will) is because it's already prolific, and it does one single thing better than 7PRC: It drives lighter bullets faster (assuming you have adequate barrel length to achieve proper powder burn) A 7mag will push a lightweight 120-140 class bullet faster just because it is capable of holding more powder and likely has a slower twist (which will allow for higher velocity due to lower rifling friction) and if that's your game then by ALL means have a blast (just not literally) The only two things that 7mag has over 7PRC right now is the ability to push light bullets faster, and ammo manufacturer support (I don't even want to say availability because hunting ammo for any cartridge is SCARCE AND EXPENSIVE right now, like I can't even find .30-06 or .270) but more ammo manufacturers do make 7mag so if you can find it on store shelves near you then "party on Wayne". I do foresee 7PRC becoming more popular and common and possibly overtaking the venerable 7mag someday, but I don't think 7mag is going ANYWHERE anytime soon.
I for one acknowledge that Hornady keeps reinventing the wheel, but I am excited about the 7 PRC because it is everything I have been looking for in a wildcat for a long time. The 7 PRC is already perfect for what I want.
I love this cartridge that checks the boxes that everyone is wanting out of the 7 rem mag. The challenge on why I’ll stick with the 7 mag is ammo price, avail, manufactures. Look at the 300 and 6.5 prc on how long they’ve been in the market and the price of each shot and availability? My cousin picked up a 6.5 prc for an elk hunt this fall and it’s an absolute sweet shooter… can’t deny that… he had to struggle to find 2 different hornady loads to figure what it liked the best and it cost him $150 for 2 boxes of 20…. No freaking thank you
To me, the cartridge doesn’t exist until every major ammo manufacturer is producing the ammo. So this episode is just 30 min of silence pretty much. I don’t care about something that isn’t going to be on the shelf anywhere that sells ammo.
A very valid point
@@adamr9215 Very cool story.
@@genericyoutubeuser1700 Do you suffer from brain damage? I made a statement, I didn’t tell a story. To me it looks like your account is one of the fake ones that make random bot comments. You know, fake accounts used to give subs to people who buy them.
@@adamr9215 You doofus, it’s a joke that plays on the length of your comment and the asinine nature thereof. No one cares when you think a round begins to exist. Consider that some rounds are not made to elicit mass market appeal and that some budget-tier manufacturers will never embrace certain rounds that are produced with a specific niche audience in mind. Thanks for weighing in. Please stop commenting on videos specifically discussing new and niche rounds.
I think that the 7 rem mag will do about as good as the 243 win. They wont break it as a hunting bullet. Every 6mm fires longer more modern bullets. But the 243 is still there. I would however want a 7 Prc.
I believe there is a 6mm PRC or maybe it's 6.5mm PRC ?
These cartridge talks are great, including the banter between the three of you. Cartridge suggestion talks in the future: 264 Win mag, 7mm wsm. I have both and they are spectacular on game. Keep up the good work guys.
I'd really like a nice Winchester Model 70 Sporter, Super Grade, Westerner, type rifle in the .264 Win Mag.
A r e the PRC caliders AR Compatible.?
@@jacquesbeliveau2716 Not really, Mark has a AR in 300 WSM that Vortex did a video on, so I'm sure if you wanted one bad enough you could build one or have one built in just about anything you want including the PRC's. But as far as a standard AR15/10 build, no.
@@willrowell3218 get one. You won’t be sorry. I love mine.
The 7mm wizzum is soooo close to the prc in performance that a hunter won’t ever notice the difference. Powder capacity is even virtually the same. As a hunting rifle I prefer the wizzums short action
I have drank the kool-aid on both the 7mm PRC and the 6.5 PRC. I would like to replace my 300 Win Mag with the 7mm and my 260 Rem with the 6.5, but at this early stage in the game, finding brass is almost impossible. When I have found the 6.5 PRC brass the price is double what 260 Rem brass costs. For that reason I will hold off for at least a year and wait for prices to drop. If the PRC cartridges become more mainstream (which is likely) then other brass manufacturers will start producing them and the prices will become much more manageable. Until then, the deer will have to put up with my 260 and the elk will have to endure the shame of being taken with my 300 WM. I doubt they will mind much.
Seeing how 300PRC is still "rare" while 6.5PRC can be had for not too much more than 6.5CM, I wouldn't hold my breath. I would love to convert my Tikka to 7PRC but it'd have to be as available as 7RM for me to make the switch. I currently switch between 6.5PRC, 300WSM, and 7RM(barrel swap, and single loading the 7RM).
Ryan, I have been a hard core 30 cal guy all my life. 30-30 ,30-06, 300wsm my current favorite. I'm 66 years old. Had work up loads to get them to shoot submoa. I bought a Ruger wild Camo. Beautiful rifle. 7mm PRC. The first 3 shots with Hornady 175 gr Eldx. All 3 in the same hole at 100yds. I bought a set of Dies for it. But not sure that I can duplicate that kind of performance. Very impressive.
No offense Ryan you are just wrong. A 7 rem mag can push a 195gn Berger over 2900 fps. I’m just using Berger load data. There is actually .115 of freebore in the 7 mag. I can shoot every bullet the PRC can but much faster.
Love these 10 minute talks that often go for 20 minutes or more! Thanks boys and keep up the great work.. My next rifle is very likely to be chambered in 7mm PRC for some long range precision fun.
I think that we are all in for a long wait on this cartridge. Yes it’s out there, but only to a chosen few. After waiting for several years, my 300 PRC just came into possession of ammunition and brass and had to go with aftermarket brass at that at three dollars apiece. I am not holding my breath on this one although it appears to be as you called it a Goldilocks cartridge. Thanks for the great video.
Throwing out 256 Win mag for a throwback podcast attempt #4. Enjoying listening to these in the mornings guys :)
horrible. done :)
There's something to be said for cartridge optimization for LR target shooting translating to hunting, but I'd bet the 7PRC is going to be more expensive than 7RM. I'm sure it's a laser beam and bolt of lightning, but for hunting application at the range you specified (out to 600) the 30-06 with factory 178gn ELDX is still doing the job on big game with around 1,360lbs of energy. At 500yds you're around 1,560lbs. so, I guess the new hotness is nice, but for everyone who has a 30-06, you already have enough gun. Stalk closer.
The 7 PRC is way way more gun than the century old 30-06 lmao
@@Inveniam22 Yeah sure. No doubt...think the deer and elk will be able to tell the difference? At 400yds? 450?
🤔 Hummm...if you look on the Nosler Online Reloading Manual, you can see that the 168 grain Nosler ABLR bullet can be pushed out at over 3,000+ ft/s from the "old" and supposedly "outdated" 30-06! If that isn't going to be enough gun for you, then you aren't hunting on the same Continent as I am! Hummm...have the elk got smarter and tougher to kill in the last 116 years? I don't think so!!! 🤣
🕵️♂️ The last elk that I killed was a 330" (7×7) bull elk (one of several dozen that I'v shot) with a 150 grain Swift A-Frame and a 270 Winchester at 450 yards! I Dropped him right in his tracks! And, I have killed a buck deer (because it was already wounded and that is why I shot) at 850 yards with my 30-06 and with 1 shot! So, am I now to believe that these cartridges suddenly don't work anymore, just because some gun writer in a cubical doesn't think so? Or people like Yourself, because You "Think So"? 🤭 Or, because some "internet expert" doesn't think it is "enough gun"? You do KNOW that RYAN here has NEVER Even Shot An Elk YET, Don't You??? 🤣🤣🤣 Go ahead and "Listen to Him" - instead of me - someone who has been their and done that for almost 1/2 a century! 🤪 My Grandfather before me, while working on the firing lines near Yellowstone Park, killed over 500 elk (mostly BIG BULLS) while culling the elk herds with his 270 Winchester! He also shot 3 Boone and Crockett Record Book Moose (one that ranked #3 in the World), a Record Book Bison (that Ranked #5 in the World), a Record Book Sheep (a 190" class Rocky Mountain Big Horn Ram), 2 Record Book Mountain Goats, several Grizzly Bears, etc...ALL with his 270 Winchester! Or, I could just take hunting advice from You and Ryan, that have NEVER "been their and done that"! Please "Spare Me" the B.S. 🤥 ...😳
🤭 I have to chuckle at the people that are always chasing the "latest and greatest cartridges", while "badmouthing" many of the "Standard Cartridges" - which are called "The Standards" for a reason! Not implying that here, but I want to elaborate further! The first example is the 6.8 Western! Even though it claims to push out the 165 grain Nosler ABLR at 2,970 ft/s, most people are getting under 2,900 ft/s in velocity! Even Nosler, with their reloads, only found 2 powder that would get velocities above 2,900 ft/s - but below Winchester Claimed Factory Load Velocities for the 6.8 Western! Meanwhile, the 30-06, with the right powders, has proven it can exceed what the 6.8 Western claimed Velocities and even my 270 Winchester (with Reloader 26) can push that same 165 grain Nosler ABLR bullet to 2,900 ft/s! Then, the 7mm Remington Magnum (Which only has 30 ft/s less velocity than the 7mm prc "claims to have", but the 7mm prc has not proven it yet!) using that 175 grain Nosler ABLR bullet - will only make 0.7" less drop and 0.3" less drift at 500 yards! So, that is "No Big Deal" to me! Would I prefer the 7mm prc, since I don't own a 7mm Remington Magnum? Yes! But, when you look at the performance of the 280 AI to the 7mm prc - the 280 AI shooting that 175 grain Nosler ABLR bullet and will only have 2.4" more drop at 500 yards than the 7mm prc - but, with 10% less recoil! So, I would actually prefer the 280 AI (another cartridge based off the 30-06 case), because less recoil with similar performance means that I can place the shot better and I can also get 1 additional round in the 280 AI magazine! 🤑 So, I think that those are several factors to consider before purchasing the 7mm prc - unless you don't reload and aren't planning to ever do so? 🤷♂️
Not only will the 7PRC take market share from the 7RM but also the 300WM. If you look at factory velocities, the 300 floats around 3050fps with 180gr class bullets. Not too much better than the 7PRC with a lot more recoil. 👍🙏✌
On paper, the one cartridge that appears to compare most closely in performance and recoil to the 7PRC is the 300WSM. The 7PRC will do the job with a degree of modern elegance. The 300WSM does the job in a short action. These are both sweeeeet spot cartridges for hunting Moose/Elk. Put a 168gr or 175gr tipped copper monolithic in either of these and you are rigged! As a 300WSM fan, I have always felt like the 7RM is a bit meh all things considered… but this new 7PRC looks mighty darn tempting.
300 win mag tho can shoot the 212-230 class bullets very well with more energy. Arguably a better elk round. Proven combo.
@@trevorkolmatycki4042I own a 270wsm and love it just bought a 7prc wish I had got a 300wsm instead cause the 270wsm is dead cannot find ammo thanks to the 6.8 western
Just got my rifle a week ago, found ammo this week, a set of hornady dies is on the way. I will be keeping 2 of my 7 rem mags for sentimental reasons. The 7 PRC will be my new out west rifle. Haven't shot it yet. It is pretty cold and snowy here in Michigan so waiting until spring.
Same here ,,, looking to build or buy a light weight mountain rifle, I love my 7's what rifle manufacturer did you go with.
I seldom disagree with Ryan about anything, but I don't think he's right about the 7 PRC taking over the 7 rem mag's spot as america's 7. The PRC is meant for heavies and is throated as such, but the 7mag can handle all the light ones and heavies without being too weird about seating depth. Just my opinion. I think the PRC will take a strong hold, just as all the other PRCs have, but it'll share its pedestal with the rem mag.
Exactly. Thats what nobody seems to realize with these “long, high BC bullet” throats. Sure, they work great with those but what if i want a lighter, non-vld, shorter bullet? You’re going to have some pretty long bullet jump if you want to still maintain neck tension. Youve now turned your “precision match chamber” into a mediocre (at best) bullet flinger.
@@John_Redcorn_ I’ll tell you the combo I use the most is a light mono going warp speed in 280 Ackley and 7 Mag. And for hunting it has less drop at 400 than any high-BC option I can use.
I do like a 7 but it has A 62 after it
So many cartridge talks lately, so awesome
Keep them coming more regular please guys - love these cartridge casts
Back when the WSM and RSAUMs were new to market the idea of 1,000 yards+ was an eye roller to most. Winchester and Rick Jamison didn't know to spec enough case capacity and proper twist rates to send the heaviest high BC/SD bullets to maximum effective terminal velocity at the muzzle, (nor did many bullet manufacturers know they would be lightening up their front ends to expand at low velocities). Nor did they understand what reasonable short/long action cartridges for such would be nor the public's willingness to adopt them. If they had we wouldn't be here all these years later celebrating the brilliance of this case design (rightfully so). The one flaw is that they spec'ed their tolerances a bit tighter leading to brass sticking issues for reloaders necessitating tighter dies or reamed out chambers. Note to future cartridge designers: Cartridges should be designed to chamber/seat the longest, heaviest bullets with adequate twist rates to stabilize and adequate capacity to reach maximum terminal performance of the bullet at the muzzle (if the bullet expands maximally at 3,000fps, then it should make 3,000 fps at the muzzle so it isn't going too fast up close nor too slow and giving up down range potential). Note to future firearms designers: Action lengths should be dictated by the above not the other way around. Note to future bullet designers: Bullets should be standardized for SD (proportion of length to weight) and designed with the best modern technology. Solids should peel back farther at high velocity by skiving farther back rather than blowing the petals off at high velocity. Lead should be bonded with jackets tapered evenly all the way back (not stepped or segmented or partial with a solid rear). Thanks. Carry on.
Great video. I have been going back and forth on this new cartridge. By the SAAMI specification and chamber designs, it is necessarily a precision rifle to start. While you can search for a dealer near you and order and wait, I can go to a site right now (without mentioning it so as to not upset the OL,) and see that they have 7 PRC in the Mossberg Patriot Predator. Even at the website of that company, it is only being offered in the predator stock. Trust me, I am a Mossberg fan and own three pieces, including a Patriot in .308 W. There is a problem with the synthetic stocks. The rear action screw guide has a gap in it and you will never torque down to 50 in-lbs. So, just expect that you are going to move it to a chassis or a Boyd's stock. And that is the only brand available. However, maybe going on the broker site might yield more results. The advantage is superior accuracy from better stability. The free bore is minimal, which contributes a lot. Fast twist rate. And they are pushing heavy for the caliber slugs. 175 and 180 gr is something you normally see in a .30-06 or a .308. I have one rifle that shoots 165 gr and another that shoots 180 grain. So, you have a rifle with the recoil of a .308 , which is managable, that you could take on a back country hunt for elk and moose. You don't have to have the .300 WM or .300 PRC. It would scratch the itch of both the hunter and the precision guy trying to split the X. I have been watching a podcast with Erik Cortina and my favorite long range shooting author who's book I have, Ryan Cleckner, former Sniper Team Leader in the 1st Ranger Battalion 75th Ranger Regiment. The object of the shot in military missions and even deer or elk hunting, is getting a round in a certain area.) Anywhere in that certain area is a fatal hit. In service, Cleckner carried an M24 in .300 WM. Great holdability in the wind out to 600 yards and most of his active duty engagements were closer than that. In his words, he could dial elevation for distance and then hold left or right edge of target into the wind and get the hit. Being a military sniper is not about piercing ear lobes at a mile and a half. It is about getting 175 grains of stopping power in a 20 inch by 24 inch area out to 600 yards. That being said, a 7 mm PRC will do it all and quite accurately. The most expensive thing may be all the ammo. It also qualifies as a legal weapon for deer hunting on public land in Texas. On public land for deer hunting, you have to shoot at least a .270 W. 7 mm is a .284 W.
As I do my homework on the 7mmPRC, i grow to like it more and more. I currently shoot a 1st year(1962) 7mm Rem mag that my father bought new. He loved it and so do I. The difference I see, in the style of hunting I do, is this--The 7mmRem mag has a twist rate that is very good for the smaller139-160 grain bullets but has a bit more struggle stabilizing these large170 and up bullets. The 7PRC is just opposite. The twist rate is set up FOR the large weight, long bullets' but is not so good with the smaller bullets.. I think the determining factor for me is , how will I use it. Small deer in central Texas don't need a 175+ grain bullet. The 7PRC will never replace my & Rem mag, but will be a fantastic addition to my gun cabinet in hopes I need it for larger animals.
What people seem to forget is that long range target 🎯 isnt the same as long range hunting. Target shooters want low recoil and highest BC to stay above supersonic at distance, and could care less about bullet energy and velocity for bullet expansion/performance on an animal. That is why 6mm/6.5 rifles on small cases are so popular in long range target 🎯 The 7 PRC may never even be used much in "PRC" type compation. You dont need that much energy for targets. What the 7 PRC gives you is some of the benefits they have learned in PRC compations. The shorter case for action lenght, longer/heavier high BC. bullets seated out, A very tight tolerance chamber and throat, faster twist rate barrels and the HIGHER RETAINED BULLET ENERGY & VELOCITY hunters need. Speed is no longer the only way to get max energy and flat trajectories. Using high BC bullets make the 6.5 creed a 1000 yard target round but not a 1000 yard HUNTING ROUND. The 7 PRC isn't a 1000 yard hunting round either but is a heck of alot more than the 6.5 creed or even the 6.5 PRC. 175/180 gr bullets at 3000 fps is about all the recoil most people can handle or want in a hunting weight rifle. Just so happens the high BC 7mm/.284 bullets in that weight are what the 7 PRC gives us. Yes i own a 7mm Rem mag.😊
Well said Ryan. I’m a big fan of the 7mag. But as he said I had to do it custom to get it where it is. Using a VLD chamber in a 28” 1:8 twist barreled custom rifle pushing a 180g Berger at 3000fps. But the prc does it stock as is. I will rechamber to prc when my barrel is burned out.
And I should add that hornady claims 3000fps in the 175g in a 24” barrel. I need 28” to do that. I like the idea of shortening up my rig 4” especially considering I shoot suppressed these days
Man I’m with you I’m running a custom 7rem mag 26” 1/8.25 twist proof 168 cutting edge mth love the set up but it’s taken a lot of time to get it dialed in. Where I see benefits in the prc is factory ammo that’s running the bullets I want in three options which saves me time in the reloading room that I really don’t have these days, also more affordable brass if I do want to reload. Another big thing is eliminating the belt which I hate about the 7rem.
No your wrong. You can buy 7 mag rifles in 1:8, 1:8.5, 1:9 twists and long enough box mag space. I shoot a 195gn Berger over 2900 fps with a standard chamber. 26” barrel.
@@SpudOutdoors your right you can get factory rifles with correct twist rates for the heavier for caliber bullets but who offers factory ammo in the 7 rem heavier than 162 gr bullets?I think the point of the 7prc is heavier for caliber factory loaded ammo for those who do not reload and just want off the shelf ammo with heavier bullets. Also when I built my gun 1/8 twist 7rems didn’t exist in factory guns.
@@KC-7mm there is some places that load the heavy bullets. But if your shooting long range you should shoot reloads not factory. Secondly the biggest problem with the PRC is you can’t go below 160. You would be jumping way to much and twist to fast. 8.5 twist in a 7 mag will do light and heavy all day.
We need to design a hunting cartridge that doesn't expand correctly but can 'pencil' an elk at 800yds with high BC's. Our customers can then brag to their friends around the campfire and beat their warrior chests proclaiming their greatness! -Hornady Management
Been watching Ole Randy's videos eh....
@@themountainraven well, he aint lyin’
I agree with some of what Randy said..... especially on some of the newer "high bc hunting rounds" and them being crap, because some truly are garbage. but I think some of his points and opinions are ignorant or just prideful.... especially for a guy who been in the gun business for 300 years, yet I watch all his complaints in every video... haha
You know what the PRC stands for right? 7mm Public Relations Cartridge
@@themountainraven Randy, has forgotten more than Ryan knows. BC's, at hunting ranges, mean nothing. Pushing high BC bullets, as a narrative, to being a better bullet, just encourages retards too shoot at ranges, that becomes target shooting, for the sake of shooting, at the expense of wounding live animals. 'Hunters' hunt at ethical shooting ranges!
Man do I love these cartridge talks
Finally. Been waiting on this 1. Great show.
Nice show fellas. I am waiting for Springfield to come out with this 7PRC in the Waypoint Then I will be up to get a Razor LHT scope for it.
I’ve been thinking about getting a rifle in 300 prc for long range fun but I think this has convinced me to go 7mm prc instead. Looks like a great cartridge.
I just ordered a Remage 1-8 twist 22" 7mm PRC. Cant wait to try it out.
A shop I worked at in CO we were necking down the 375 Ruger to 7mm, 300, and 338 ten + years before Hornady was even thinking about the PRC line. Also we did a 458 on the 416 Ruger case as well. Hornady just capitalized off the wildcat community.
I could listen to Ryan speak about calibers, performance history etc any time. If I lived near his gun store I would love to shop there just in case I could learn some stuff from him while shopping.
I’m glad to see Ryan likes the 7 PRC, I’m a big fan of it and hope it gets very popular.
It won't most elr and lr guys don't even shoot 7mm anything . Like 3% use 7mm then 50% use 6.5 and 47% 6mm . Then in the hunting and regular guys 30 caliber I king with an increasing 6.5 group. It's just an oddball
@@bobborlog1677 man you must not look at any hunting news or anything. Everyone's hyped for this one
@@noahhorinek you mean all the hunting mags are ACTING like theyre hyped. Just like every time hornady puts out another “new” round. They arent so much making a new round as just modifying an existing one for the sole purpose of shooting the very top end weight/bc bullet. If youre not using _that_ bullet you arent gaining anything over say the 7mmRM. They are making rounds catered to ppl who ring steel at 1k yds: hunters dont need to spend twice as much when theres no gain under normal hunting distances
@@noahhorinek hype ? That's called marketing just like 7mm08 it will be an oddball expensive obscure cartridge. Talk to me in a year I'll bet you 100$ I'm right . For God sake barley anyone uses 7mm for anything now this will be just another to the pile.
@@John_Redcorn_ let’s not forget that the 6.5 creedmoor is a Hornady cartridge and so is the 17 hmr. Hornady also helped to develop many Ruger cartridges which are the parent cases for a ton of other things. They also brought old lever action cartridges out of the 19th century with their LEVERevolution ammunition. Hornady has a great track record and they make awesome bullets too. Now I don’t believe 7mm PRC will be the most popular cartridge anytime soon however I do think it will spread like wildfire.
More thoughts. I did get the Mossberg Patriot Predator cerakote strata camo in 7 mm PRC. And immediately put it in an Oryx chassis. My hunting groups are 2 and 3 shots. My best hunting group is .41 inches. When I get to a 20 round group, it will widen. All rifles do that. Anyway, used the Hornady 4DOF to generate a try dope to 1,000 yards. And checked with the Colorado wildlife department since they have a lot of elk. The recommendation is to hit an elk with at least 1500 foot-pounds, which helps find the distance you should limit. Well, at 800 yards, you have 1517 ft-lbs. Not that I would shoot that far but definitely enough energy below that to bring down the beast. So, I think it is a great hunting cartridge of medium and large game. And, if people can do long range with .308 W, why not 7 PRC?
Great podcast for the 7mm PRC (as they all are)! I am a huge fan of my Browning A-Bolt with Boss System in 7mm Mag that I handload with 140grain Accubond bullets. Finally a new cartridge that I am really interested in adding to my collection once Browning makes it in an X-Bolt. Great Job guys, can't wait for the next one!
I guess this is gonna have to be my next cartridge since this video came out on my birthday
Currently have one on order! Never was a fan of any of the 7mms but this turn key option for long range with high bc bullets just makes a very easy decision! Without out a doubt this caliber will set records as far as popularity and turn key shoot ability! This will end a few cartridges popularity for sure!
Shame. The 7mm deserves no hate. Quite honestly the more well rounded bullets actually
I guess for competitive purposes this cartridge makes sense. As a hunter and a reloader I don’t get it. With my $275 Thompson Compass with a Harrells precision tuner brake I can launch a Nosler 175 ABLR with a .648 BC at 2850+ that groups under 1/2 MOA @ 100, what would I need the PRC for?🤷🏼
It might drop your groups by .2 inches. Lol. All for twice the cost. Cmon man! Get on the bandwagon!
It’s always good for everyone when new stuff comes out.
Same rig and load here! I just upgraded mine with a Boyd's featherweight thumbhole which I really like. ;)
The biggest advantage is for people buying factory ammo.
I've used my dad's hunting rifle for a long time. I have been wanting to get my own for a while now but couldn't settle on a cartridge. I think this is it.
Threw some out of my budget 7mm PRC with just one of my extra scopes on it. 2 of 3, 3 shot(only got my hands on 2 boxes of ammo) groups were under an inch. Hopefully my dies will be here next week and the real fun can begin. Recoil was plenty manageable bare barreled and moderate, for me, with the Thunder Chicken screwed on the end of it.
Great discussion. You all do a great job of bringing up lots of points that the average person thinks about. We can all thank the Creedmoor for the PRC.
This cartridge looks awesome.
I was thinking about a 6.5 PRC or a 6.8 Western for a go out west gun, but now I am leaning towards the 7mm PRC.
6.5, 7, and 30 have the best bc's which is where the 6.8 Western falls short. Take the Accubond LR lineup for instance. The 6.5 has a G7 bc of .319, the 277 .312, the 7 .326, and the 30 .333. For some reason most bullet makes do that. Berger's EOL range it's 6.5 @ .347, 277@ .339, 7@.387, and 30@.413. So the most popular bullets tend to favor skipping the .277 and favor picking the most recoil you can tolerate. If they renamed the 6.8 Western to the 270 PRC it would fit right in( and people should think of it that way), but still suffer from a lack of heavier bullets.
I'd get a 6.8 if it were available in more rifles.
Building one now should be done in two weeks can't wait. Some long range fun shooting, and a big game hunting gun with reliable shots at reasonable distances
The 7PRC is a good option for a hunter or long range plinker who is missing a rifle with the capabilities of that cartridge. If you have a rifle chambered in a 7mm cartridge that suits your needs, you’ll be fine keeping it and using it until it is worn out.
This was great! I should be getting my 7PRC barrel any time now from my gunsmith. Can't wait to dial it in! It'll go nicely with my 6.5 PRC and 300PRC barrels. 😎 Also, you guys are great as always. You did use the word bonkers a bonkers amount of times, but this is a bonkers good cartridge so it makes a bonkers amount of sense that you used the word bonkers so much.
With having the 7 PRC, what do you see the 300 doing that the 7 doesn't? I ask because I have a 300 that I plan to get a heavier barrel for. At his point, I'm thinking of just getting a 7 barrel instead of the 300. It's the same bolt, same action with the 7 having better ballistics. From what I've seen anyways.
@dankcincy That's a good question. I don't think there's much the 7 "can't" do vs the 300, but more of what's the best tool for the job. My opinion is that the following are best suited for: 6.5 = pronghorn and whitetails 7 = mule deer 300 = elk and moose and dangerous game in moose territory Obviously any of these cartridges can kill any of these animals with a well placed shot, but there's arguably good/better/best. If I only had one barrel to run with, it'd be the 7. Hope that helps!
Just the prc and 6.8 western, everything you need to do it all with nothing you don’t. Just all around great cartridges.
How full is the 175 eldx case with powder? Can you hear the powder shake at all in the factory 7prc hornady eldx 175g load?
Remember that time I built an entire rifle set up in .300 PRC based off Ryan’s words of praise for the cartridge in another video and am now rethinking all my life’s decisions after watching this one? Yeah, me neither….. Can’t complain though, looks like Hornady has done it again and I’m excited to see how the PRC family pans out!
I'm right there with you. Lol
i have been waiting for this!! i’m definitely buying the 7prc in the savage 110 ultralight!
I have a 6.5 creed. It works great for deer. But I’ve been looking at something bigger for elk. The old 30-06 was an option, but this might be a top choice.
You can't beat the 30-06 within reasonable hunting range with a lot less recoil...This has even more recoil then the 7MM.
@@stratop3686 The ole 06 at 400 yards is still moving around 1900-2000fps with Barnes TTSX bullets and will kill anything in NA inside of 500 yards all day every day with ease. If If I "Go Hunting" and I can't get closer than 500 yards to what I am hunting I think I might just need to hang it up and watch others on YT who can lol.
I recently stumbled upon your channel and have enjoyed the cartidge banters. These smaller PRC cartridge models seem to look very similar in design to the 243wssm. have you ever discussed this now very rare bird or compared it to todays offerings?
Beautiful intro guys. Chefs kiss
I am in Canada. I have a Tikka T3 in 270 WSM and it is a tack driver. I've had it since 2008. I have a 3-9x40 Leupold VXII on it, and so I don't really shoot out beyond 300. I did try a 400y target once, but it was so small in the scope, it wasn't a pleasant experience. All of that is to say that, if I had the $$$, the 7 PRC would most likely supplant the 270WSM, for a handful of reasons, but largely because the cost of ammunition is crazy. I don't yet reload, but I'm considering it, and I am thinking of getting some Barnes VOR-TX TTSX BT 140 gr (monolithic) and some Nosler Trophy Grade 140 Gr Accubond to see which my rifle likes best (though I think I'll prefer the Accubond, even though it is considerably more expensive here).. A box of the Barnes rounds is $100. A box of the Nosler rounds is $150... For 20 cartridges... Reloading would make sense, but that's not going to be this year... Anyway, as mentioned earlier, the 7 PRC does things the 270WSM can't do as easily - the BC of the round is so much higher. The only thing that might save that is the bullets made for the 6.8 Western. If I do get into reloading (next year), the plan will be to try the 165 gr Nosler ABLR in my 270 WSM. Nosler's website indicates a minimum twist of 9 is required - my barrel is 24 1/3" and has a 9.5 twist ... And there are a few channels that have had success firing that ABLR out of their 270 and 270WSM. If that works as well as I think it could, my WSM might do almost as well as the 6.8 Western, when using it at long range - which means I'm going to need a new scope, but I'll have an excuse to get one, if that happens. Love the videos!
So I've been researching the market for a new precision accurate and reliable sub moa rifle that I can hunt up to rocky mountain elk with at decent ranges (up to 500yds) with lots of residual take down energy left as well as be able to do well at 1k target ranges. I've been debating between the 7 rem mag and 300 win mag because they also shoot decently flat. The lower recoil of the 7 appeals to me but the higher power of the 300 is also desirable. I've also looked at the 300 wsm, because its got similar performance to the 300 win mag with lower recoil, but it's a bit harder to find the loads for it. From what I'm starting to pick up on, it sounds like the 7prc is essentially giving the 300 win mag capabilities in a 7. I'm I on track in my understanding here? I mean, factory ammo in the 7prc is going to be harder to come by compared to traditional loads, but it's sounding like the 7prc gives the 300 win mag ballistics in a 7mm package. Am I reading that correct?
Just spun a 7PRC carbon pre fit on to a buddies Tikka action today. Headed to the range for testing tomorrow!
Sounds like a genuine winner
I love tikka so much I really hope they make a 7PRC so I can upgrade from my tikka 270wsm (that has been an amazing gun for the last decade) it’s time for something new though.
Bonkers that was a lot of bonkers, but it’s the holidays and that makes us all a little bonkers 😅
Seems pretty legit. Definitely gonna look into it more. I want something with a little more power than my 308 and this seems reasonable enough
Get one. This cartridge will one day be considered the goat.
How does it compare to a 7mmSTW? Velocity, powder consumption....,.. And so on.
It's giving me 270 or possibly 270wsm vibes which I love, without the shoulder punch of a 7 rem mag. Might be my new round just cause of the warm fuzzy feeling😂
If you’re hunting N American big game at ranges under 400 yds, any centerfire cartridge between 140 - 180 grains @ 2600 - 3000 fps will work just fine. It’s fun to split hairs analyzing all the different cartridge performance metrics, and I enjoy all these discussions. But there is no such thing as the perfect cartridge. Hunting cartridges, like so much of life, are all about trade-offs.
The race to introduce several new calibers every year or two makes for good fodder to chew on at the deer camp or at the local gun club range. However, your "uncle Jim" who hunts in his Carhartts with the old .30-30 in a hand me down rifle still is the first one to put a buck on the meat pole each season.
Well put. Just because it is new, everyone seems to flock towards it.
7mm PRC will bring the 7’s back to the top and popularize most seven’s again! Ryan said in the 7mm-08 podcast that 7’s were on there way out! 😂
Super excited that Ruger is putting this in the Ruger American Go Wild for an affordable option for this really cool round.
I was excited to see that too!
I’d love a 7 mm using the 6.5 prc case. I don’t need magnums but do want more modern case design
Another great talk. Still hoping for the 300 Savage
I been a 7mm caliber lover since the 70's. I have several 280 Rem chambered rifles, and 1in 7mm Rem Mag. Now this 7mm PRC will find a home in my safe as soon as Bergara chambers it in their Divide line with their Cure technology barrels. The SAMMI spec'ed twist rate for the 7mm PRC is 1:8.
I would bet you have never ran out of range with your .280 Rem. A highly under rated cartridge.
I like these series. 7mm prc is the god cartridge
Just picked up my 7prc. Hopefully get it out to the range here soon
I like the idea of the higher bc bullets made possible by faster spin barrels. Not just for longer range shooting but also higher sectional density for deeper penetration on big game animals with thick hides and big bones. I am only waiting now for greater ammo availability. Till then I am perfectly happy with my 270 win.
6.8 Western ammo was available but there were not enough rifles to meet the demand. I know of people who had to commission a custom rifle with a year or more delivery time. Otherwise, as was mentioned, the 6.8 Western has comparable hunting performance to the 7mm PRC. The PRC series, however, is seen as dual-use hunting/target cartridges, with target ammo being more available. For most hunters, those who limit their shots to 500yards, there is no pressing reason to switch from 7mm Rem Mag to 7mm PRC. The 7mm Rem Mag (and 300 Win Mag, for that matter) was designed for relatively light bullet - flat trajectory performance needed for typical hunting distances in the 1960's, when distance estimation was more difficult. The idea was to minimize trajectory problems if the distance was misjudged. Now that laser range finders are more common, the issue switches more to wind drift. Judging elevation is no longer a big issue, so new long-distance cartridges can heavier, higher-BC bullets, but that also requires a faster twist rifling.
Nice show ! I think they missed it buy not matching or ever so slightly exceed the Great 7mm Rem Mag case capacity if only buy 1 gr. For Hunting I do not see this doing anything better that the old 7mm Rem Mag as it has all the range any of us have any business shooting at Big Game. IMHO TC Happy New Year
Great video! Obviously your going to naturally see many comparisons between the new 7mm PRC and 7 Remington Mag in regards to performance... How about a comparison between the new 7mm PRC and the 300 Winchester Magnum? Which cartridge would you choose between the two if you had to pick just one? 7mm PRC or 300 Winchester Magnum?
Very impressive presentation 👍
Just realised, even when Ryan was mentioning the cartridges based off the .375 Ruger, the .300 Ruger Compact Magnum and .338 Ruger Compact Magnum still can't get any love haha.
live the podcast! Ordered my son a 7 PRC for his birthday. Can you guys recommend a Vortex scope that would be good for both hunting and target shooting that would take advantage of the cartridge’s capabilities.
Got a Tikka build under way in 7prc starting with .300 win mag and a re barrel
So between 300wm and 7mm prc the 7mm prc stands out?
Ordering a custom 7 PRC. Before this cartridge was released, I was looking at the 300 WSM, but all the numbers favor the 7 PRC.
As soon as browning drops a 7PRC, I'm all over it!
The 7mm PRC is made to seat heavy for caliber bullets outside the powder supply. For example, an 190 grain long slim tapered slug with a HIGH BC is available. And 160 grain hunting slugs.
I thought I wanted a 6.5 PRC for a long time and I am glad I waited
I have never owned a 7 but the only thing I can see the PRC does is send heavier bullets for ballistic coefficiency and I'm having a hard time with the idea that matters when hunting but I will say it's on my radar if ammo isn't five dollars a shot.
Would be interesting to see a comparison with 7mm SAUM which I guess will be my next cartridge.
Hell yea 7 prc. Would be a great cartridge to at to the collection. Can you do a 10 minute about the 300 norma
That thing will be awesome in the Karoo - South Africa, and the kalahari - Namibia. Maybe a bit of a big hammer for springbuck, but Kudu, Gemsbuck and everything else on the other side of 300 meters. You will have to have really tough bullets, to minimise meat damage
A 153 A Tip has a BC of 704….. But the 7mm PRC is a great out of box design, with lots of rifles available.
I was starting to think about the 280 AI but Ryan convinced me to wait for The 7prc so I’ve been waiting for a tikka and I just couldn’t wait any longer, yesterday I found a Ruger American in 7prc and ammo at the same place and had to jump in!
It's a non-belted factory round that matches a well hand loaded 7mm. Perfect for the non-hand loader with a factor rifle.
I went with 280 AI in browning x bolt speed. Still working up loads. Ever since it got more popular over the past few years, n saying it's close to 7mm RM I had to have it. It will perfect for my shooting distance capabilities. But I'm seeing now you really have to hot rod it to get the big speed they say. But either way I should be able to get 280 rem speeds with middle of road loads and better brass life.
Something folks rarely talk about is how the rate-of-twist in a given bore is a compromise. When you make that twist fast enough to stabilize crazy-long bullets with high BC's, you also restrict how much velocity you can get from that barrel, using smaller, lighter bullets. There is no free lunch and there are NO "new" concepts in cartridge design. There is only highly effective advertising, which you guys have either fallen for or are participating in...maybe both.
I agree with Ryan, I love my 7mag, but with modern cartridges it just doesn't compete anymore. 7s have been dying for years and and 28Nosler nailed the first death blow to this cartridge, now the Prc will set the rest in the casket and lay it to rest. Why not have a 28 Nosler without the baggage of the recoil and barrel burner tendencies. Awesome podcast! Keep it up.
The same has been said about the 30/ 06 as soon as every new 30 caliber came out yet the 30/ 06 is better than ever with the awesome bullets out there now. NOSLER,PARTITIONS SWIFT SCIROCCO & A FRAME., HORNANDY INTERLOCK. NOPE the 7mm rem mag ain't going anywhere. SEE it's the hunting guys that will keep it alive forever. We DON,T CARE about BC,s . We care about bullet performance once it hits the animal not a f*****g piece of paper . We dont stand pounding our chest when we make a beautiful 3,4 or 500 yd shot on a live animal . We give our pet 7 a pat and say well done. The 7PRC has nothing on the 7mm rem mag. Look at the stats. The 7mm rem mag can push a 175 gr nosler to 2975 and the 7PRC claims the same velocity with less powder and a 20 gr heavier bullet. HOW. The 7PRC burns less powder so HOW can it be faster. The WSM,,s were supposed to be the death knell of the 25,27,28 & 30 calibers. WERE THEY?. HARDLY. They claimed the same BS the PRC,s are claiming, SAME VELOCITIES , LESS POWDER, MORE EFFICIENT CASE. LOL. YEAH RIGHT. A guy I know bought into the WSM BS and showed up at the range with his new 25WSM telling everyone who would listen how my Rem 25/ 06 was slow as f**k compared to his new wonder. Well we set targets out to 450. I proceeded to watch him TRY to hit the target which he did twice but nowhere near the bullseye . He proceeded to chest pound and declare my Remington DOA. I set my gun on the sandbags and loaded up some hot 100 gr Sierra gamekings and with my rifle 3 inches high at 100 I put all 5 within 4 inches of each other IN THE 6 INCH BULL. He was so pissed and blamed the gun and not his stupid ass for believing the BS to sell a gun. All the guys out there with your 7mm.rem mag,s . KEEP YOUUT TRIED & TRUE 7. The 28 Nosler and PRC rounds will go the way of the 264 win mag. THEY WILL STAY ON THE EDGE OF OBSCURITY with a handful of idiotic morons throwing their money away ,keeping them.alive.
I would like to see the Nine-Three PRC. A cartridge of 9.3 mm with a 300 grain bullet.
One place I think is overlooked for 7mm PRC is F-Class. The projectiles used, velocity, and action length are right in their power curve.
Probably won’t see that. Yes it’s in the curve but is it shootable for hundreds of rounds over a weekend. 🤷♂️ it’s gonna have to give exceptional results for a guy to give up his 6gt or 6br and move over to a 7prc.