7mm PRC vs 7mm Rem Mag - Crowning a King of the 7’s
2023 ж. 11 Қар.
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The 7mm PRC is the new kid on the block in the 7mm cartridge world. But how does it stack up to the historic dominance of the tried-and-true 7mm Rem Mag? Will it bully the 7mm Rem Mag out of its long-standing number one spot among all the 7’s or be added to the heap of 7mm cartridge skulls it sits on? Mark Boardman and Ryan Muckenhirn hit the range, shoot gel, and debate which is better.
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We 100% need a 10ish Minute Talk on the 7mm Rem Mag just so Ryan can vent lol
Watch the 7mm-08 10 minute talk. He rants a little bit in that 10 minute talk.
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@@CMR.718What did he vent about the King of 7mm, the 7mm STW?
One important thing to note in the X vs Y comparisions for people to remember: even if X is technically better than Y, having Y is typically a good reason to not use X. Upgrading a whole rifle and ammo collection for marginal improvments is a game most people dont want to play.
I’ve lived in Alaska for 44 yrs. My 7mm Mag has killed many mt goat, bunch of sitka blacktail, several black bear, couple of brown bear, several Caribou, Washington state black tail, moose. Everything I shot at died instantly except Brown bear. It took a couple of shots. I could really tell a difference in shock power between the 30-06. I was 16 when I first got it, now I’m 64. Stopped by Benchmark barrels today to see about a new carbon barrel. BTW my most accurate load was IMR 4831, loaded full tilt ( old recipe, newer ones not close)175 grain Nosler Partition. I was so thankful that the gun loved that load. One day at the range I loaded new reloads and after getting on paper, shooting slow do barrel cool I had a 3 shot group in 1 hole half size of dime. Older guy next to me wanted to buy my gun on the spot 😂. Yes. I love my 7mm Remington Magnum
Ballistically, it wasn’t the same test because you didn’t use the same weighted ammo for both rifles. I’ll stick with my REM mag for now. If anything, I’m too old to change!
That's the point of the 7PRC, it can shoot heavier bullets in most factory twist rates than the 7RM
The PRC is objectively better because it can do everything the 7Mag can do, but I wouldn’t sweat it. Nothing that walks this planet is going to know the difference when they get shot. 😂
Multiple factory offerings in 1in8 twist 7 mag now, read up on on actual factory load velocities in the 7 prc and the 7 mag can match pretty regularly. So it boils down to factory/reload and belt or no belt
Its very fair to say if you already have a 7mm RemMag, theres no need to change. Unless you're looking for something very specialized 7mm RemMag is perfectly fine.
Agreed, might as well compare apples to oranges. Gun weight, barrel length, twist rate, bullet weight, powder type, grains of powder, would change some of their results. The shape of the case is creating differences in performance. Might be minor differences, but it is improvement towards a better cartridge.
If I had a 7 Rem Mag, I'd keep it and use it. If I was buying new, I'd buy a 7 PRC. The 7 PRC really shines as a ultra long range precision rifle cartridge.
Same, the difference doesn’t make much difference at typical hunting ranges. But if buying a new rifle, why not get that increase in performance? I had unfortunately ordered my Weatherby in 7 rem mag about a month before the 7prc news broke, otherwise I would have waited to get it in PRC.
Well, the 7mmWby. and the 7mmRM are almost interchangeable and identical in performace, but the Rem available everywhere. 7PRC identical performace as the other 2 and scarce as the 7 Wby. I havn't a 7mm but will get a 7RM. Personal preference. If by the time I build that rifle and 7PRC catches up in availability. will go with the 7PRC. I doubt I will use anything heavier than 180 Grns Bullets so no advantage for the 7PRC@@jaydunbar7538
My buddy is building the 7 PRCs.He already ditched the Hornady ammo.The 180 Berger VLD with Retumbo dropped his Colorado Elk with 1 shot at 905 yards this year.
I shoot the same bullet out of my 28 Nosler.I might use a little more powder but I get about 200fps more.We shoot steel plates out to 1300+ yards.Its a toss up I'd say.
for me it is about reloading. i hate reloading belted magnums, always get stuck cases and crincled brass. never had that with the PRC. i have both, i like the PRC better.
7 Rem Mag is here to stay. Available all around the world jus about anywhere you hunt. Great all around cartridge and affordable. I have been hunting with it for 30 years, my son and daughter both started off with them and shot their first deer with it and I own 2 of them. All these new hot cartridges are great but there are way too many of them and they are expensive to shoot. For hunting, I don't see anything the advantage of the PRC over the Rem Mag, unless your hunting 700+ yards. That said, IMHO, 99% of hunters aren't hunting that distance and probably don't have the skills needed to make ethical shots at anything past 500 yards.
It was glorious watching Ryan defend the 7 Mag 😂
As a 7mm rem nerd It was very gratifying to watch. 😂
Still need that .270 Win vs. 6.5 PRC showdown. Love the series guys 👍
@@alfey318 Seeing as 6.8 Western may be destined for the lead balloon list, no. In the Hornady ELD-X the 270 is a 145 grain and the 6.5 PRC 143 grain. Very similar drop and drift within practical ranges. Just curious to see how they actually perform as 270 popularity has declined in new rifles but 6.5 PRC is going strong.
@@alfey318 Yes the 6.5 will have a higher BC given the same weight projectile. That is kind of the point. The 270 and 6.5 PRC come in a similar range of weights and are good for similar types of game. I just would find it fascinating to do a true comparison between a new design in the 6.5 PRC to a nearly 100 year old cartridge that on paper is very similar.
They work with and promote hornady a lot no chance they’ll show that, looks at everytime a hornady product is used… they defend it like crazy
@@lk9456 This episode is literally them comparing a Hornady developed cartridge to a much older one, which is exactly what 6.5 PRC vs 270 would be. And in this comparison they gave the win to the 7 Rem Mag so I’m not sure what kind of Hornady bias you are saying they have.
Theirs always the 7mm weatherby magnum
The prc had a wound channel that remained thicker for longer, I'd say that is more important than 1 more inch of penetration
That's what she said.
I thought the same thing.
The PRC should have a better wound channel with a higher grain bullet thats moving about the same speed as a lighter bullet. Theres more energy available for the creation of hydrostatic shock. That cannot be disputed, this argument is the same as guys that want full penetration vs energy expended completely in the animal, there are positives to both. The overall availability to the everyday non reloading shooter the hat tips towards the 7rem. Which is more what this is about.
I have used a 7mm REM Mag for the last 20+ years in various bulletin weights. Everything that I have harvested has hit the ground, instantly. 0 complaints from me! Picking the correct bullet weight has a lot to do with it.
I would add shot placement
The 7 rem mag had one of the biggest changes in rifle hunting history and for good reason it’s still one of the very best to hunt anything in North America with! I know you young bucks think all the new things are the real rage but all you have to do to make the 7 rem mag better then the PRC is put a faster twist barrel! I have hunted reloaded and collected rifles for 60+ years and have seen a lot of changes but have come to realize newer is not always better even when most of the crowd is on the bandwagon for it! The 7 rem mag is going know where in a hurry so your just going to have to carry a lot of hand sanitizer with you🤔😳😂
Or baby wipes because the 7 mm can bring home the meat.
if you change the twist rate from what the design was, then you don’t have a factory rifle anymore. it’s more of a custom rifle, which the 7PRC offers off the shelf
It's still a belted cartridge which to me is the biggest turn-off.
I understand why the 7 prc came to be. But what i take away from it is that if you already have a 7 rem mag you really don't need a prc for typical hunting ranges. But if you shoot at extended to extreme...then you may want to consider 7 prc.
I agree, the 7RM can stabilize all of the 165gr projectiles out to 500 yards with enough energy for Elk size game. How much terminal performance does one need to be ethical at practical ranges. Even for shooting out to a mile the 1:9.5 twist has proven its worthiness. I also don't see any need to down grade from my .264 WM to a 6.5 PRC. With bullets being designed to fit into AR10 magazines for hunting, shorter high BC bullets now available are a game changer for slower twist calibers. BondStrike, Speer Impact, to name a couple can really bring out their performance potential.
@@martinfernandez5005 Do you have any trouble getting accurate loads with the .264 WM? In front of the case, the chamber of the Winchester Magnums are just straight tapers rather than having a tube-section of tight freebore to line up the bullet is aligned with the bore to take the rifling evenly. For extreme accuracy, the "match style" chamber with a section of tight freebore makes a difference, but I wonder if it makes that much difference in hunting. Typically, a "taper-only" chamber can shoot well, it is just more picky. The 7mm Rem Mag always had the "match style" chamber, as does every Remington and Hornady cartridge since. Thanks
That pretty much goes for all the PRCs. They all have more established counterparts and don’t do anything special at hunting distances.
Because the 7mm PRC wasn't meant for you, neither was the 6.5PRC or 6.5-284 Norm. Compared to those 2 the .264WM has massive disadvantages@@martinfernandez5005
@joshjamesguitar sure okay, but from the groups I'm getting at distance my confidence in terminal performance remains the same.
I've been in this exact argument with my dad. "Buy a 7mmPRC" "But I have a 7mm mag" 🤣
Unless you're hand loading or want to shoot heavier high bc bullets not much reason to switch at this time. Ammo availability is low
@@eggbert191some new 7rm rifles are being made with 1-8 twist I have one it will shoot 180 eldm great with retumbo I get 2945 on average and I'm about a half grain from max
@@eggbert191 If you handload there is no real reason to switch either unless you want to shoot 180+ class bullets
Re-chamber your 7mm rem to STW. OR Ultra mag... Now you have the king. Lol .
I have an irrational dislike for belts and have been waiting for a belt-less 7MM Rem Mag equivalent. That is what the 7 PRC is so I hope it sticks around.
I don't think the 7PRC is going away, in fact I see it only getting more popular. It's a two-way street in terms of availability: the more people that buy into the 7PRC the more companies will produce ammo for it. At the same time, the more people stay away from it the less manufacturers will make it. That's why I always tell these naysayers that they're effectively hoping these new cartridges die simply because they're invested (usually emotionally) in the older and more commonplace cartridges. Anyone that says "I can find plenty of 7mag ammo" is fighting a redundant argument, OF COURSE it's going to be more common, it's been around for 60 years, but that doesn't mean the PRC isn't better.
Peterson is planning on making brass for the 7PRC
That wound channel on the first gel test was a big win for the 7prc, much wider.
My hunting load in the 7 rem mag is the 175 grain hornady eldx at 2960 fps. It’s out of a 1:9 twist Remington 700 and groups 3/4 of an inch @100 yds.. that’s pretty much identical performance to the PRC.
Close, but not quiet as you could get the speed with a shorter barrel. The PRC mainly shines in the 180-195gr bullets and being a better factory rifle due to the tighter tolerances with the cartridge. If you are a custom rifle and reloadin kinda guy then there isn't really a reason to look at the PRC right now if you have a 7RM or 7WSM
I wish you guys would chrono them. There's a big thread on Rokslide of guys posting barrel length and velocities with 7prc factory ammo. The initial Hornady ammo was giving all sorts of pressure signs including blowing primers out. More recent Hornady ammo does not have pressure signs but is running very slow closer to 2750-2800 vs the box claimed 3,000 with the 175eldx. Federal Terminal ascent seems to be performing better with the same 175eldx running in the 29xx range and no pressure signs.
So, it's a bigger version of a 6.5 creedmoor.
7PRC is an all-around better cartridge that nobody truly needs 'right now' unless you're not only a reloader but can (a) actually get your hands on the components and (b) are quite proficient at it. 7PRC is a not a 'let me learn how to reload' kind of caliber. That's why 7RM still holds the title and the crown. Having said that, I am definitely getting one so I can hunt when I can't hit (or find) a 1200+ range and vice-verse. The 7PRC does both exceedingly well, but you can't do both (or enjoy doing it) if you start counting rounds... that means you only have enough to 'kind of' enjoy your hobby. I love my 6.5CM and have enough ammo to not worry about sending a couple hundred down range weekend after weekend. If I had a 6.5PRC I'd probably think .... 'well, I'll bring 1 box today .....'. Not fun at all. As for hunting, 7RM gets it done well out to 600+ yds (with ease) and my average shot has always been 150-200 yards.
This 💯
7RM is fine, but I don’t see why anyone would pick it over a PRC now.
@@scottzaggergo out and try to find ammo for the PRC and you just answered your Own question and look at the price difference! Try picking up the brass to reload it as well!
You guys really shoot hundreds of rounds every weekend with bolt guns? In these calibers?Wow. How many barrels a year you go thru
I have friends that burn 100-200rnds p/week. Yeah, changing barrels is part of the hobby .. it's like buying a new running shoe every 6 months.@@orr89rocz
Love the 7mm Rem Mag, I reload so choices are only limited by rifle twist and my Thompson shoots 175gr fine. If buying new I would be all over the 7MM PRC, especially as a Handloader. Great Vlog guys.
The new Remington 700 in 7RM is now a 1:8 twist
Every Michigan deer gun season I catch up on like 15 hours of Vortex videos. Love you guys!😂❤🎉
Mark and Ryan are perfect hosts for these comparisons. Very entertaining guys!
Long time user of 7mm RM and not going to change last year loaded up 100 rounds of ammo for it and it will last me 5 years. Elk, deer, antelope, hogs and Bear have dropped with it in the 40 years I have owned it with one barrel change about 10 years ago (change it to a 8.5 twist) moose and brown bear on my bucket list for it!
I’ve killed three bears with my 1994 rem 7 mm they don’t run.
7 rem mag is a fucking stud cartridge
I've got both and have buddies with 2 different 7prc manufacturers. None of us can get over 2900 with factory eldx ammo so the box got published with an estimated velocity. I've searched all over KZhead and can't find anyone getting near 3000. My 7rem is in a 26 in barrel but gets 3035 avg velocity wirh 162s. It's about a wash, but the 162s are flatter to 1000 yards.
If I was going in the store to buy one or the other I would probably still go with the 7 rem mag. It’s tried, true and more readily available which means a lot in todays world. Both will kill out to 500 yards easily
This channel should honestly have another 100k subscribers. It’s great.
That slap was hilarious.
7x57/7mm-08 is/are king obviously!!!
.284 Win based wildcats are king, like the Shehane
I wonder if the fatter case body helps with recoil feel for the 7 PRC. I’ve seen the same observation elsewhere and in this test it was with almost identical rifles. Practically the same energy, but the 7 PRC has the force spread over a wider area and that results in more of a push than a snap. I think that would mean recoil favors the 7 PRC as recoil velocity and felt recoil matter more than just overall energy.
If we are going to talk about 7 MM's, 7MM RUM, and 7 SAUM. Like the 7 MM Rem Mag, .30-06, and other older cartridges it's hard to get hunters to change when something works.
Finally, someone with sense. I love my 7Rum. Been loading and shooting it for years. I have dialed a load that shoots 1/2 moa. The only other 7 that even intrigues me is the 28 Nosler, which, if I wasn't so biased, is the true king of the 7's.
@@nt3523 problem with the nosler is it’s inefficient use of that powder, it’s well past the point of diminishing returns. It may be the king, but with the tax so high to shoot it it will remain a novelty cartridge. Not saying I don’t want one, but I treat guns like Pokémon and want one of each lol
Same here, I have both the 7Mag and the 7WSM. The PRC looks interesting, but until the industry catches up with components, it would appear buying that stuff will almost break the bank, compared to the amount of bullets, cases, etc readily available for the 7Mag. Love my 7WSM, but it surely was eclipsed by the 270WSM. But in all honestly both 7's have never had an animal that didn't just drop when hit, especially deer using the 140gr Accubond.
I have a 7mm mag. It kick a little more than I would imagine in my old wood 700 and the bullets in my area aren't easy to find. However I just love the damn thing. The sound is sexy and the deer I've taken with it always just drop with me doing my part somewhat lol. Let's be fair it's still hard to expect it to keep up as well as it does with cartridges just made a year ago with how old it is.
The 7 rem mag is the only magnum cartridge where you just say what caliber it is and people think of that specific cartridge it is THE 7 MAG
❤ The 7 mm Rem Mag. I bought it in the early 1980’s . Very hard to switch to almost the same thing when the 7 mm Rim Mag does everything I need it to do. 👉WIN👈🙂
I had this 7PRC bug and ended up going 7SAUM it’s just more efficient with less powder burned and recoil. Shooting a 180g Berger Hybrid I’m getting 2830FPS out of a 22in proof research carbon barrel. To be fair it’s throated long to fit more powder.
I did the same, but with a 26" barrel. Getting 2900-2950 with 175's-180's. I also got a new barrel in 7PRC to replace my nearly shot out 7RUM.
I have browning Xbolt long range 7 mag 1-8 twist barrel, I hand load 195s. No replacement for displacement. Case capacity can’t be hyped away.
Love this channel and everything about yall
Unless you are competitive or hunting 2-legs, at long range, the 7mmRemMag is and will remain the overall winner for several decades to come...not to mention SHTF field pick-up/resupply for those that perhaps want/need to consider those scenarios. Still, the 7PRC IS DEAD SEXY and l WANT ONE !!
SHTF scenario means the 7 rem mag gets left and either a .30-06 or a .308 are coming if I need a larger centerfire. The 7 PRC versus 7 rem mag debate boils down to whether you’re a reloader at the moment. If you are, 7 PRC is the clear winner. If you’re not, 7 rem mag is the clear winner. A decade from now, 7 PRC is going to be common enough for factory ammo availability to be irrelevant. Retailers can’t keep rifles or ammunition in stock for the caliber at the moment, and it is rapidly picking up steam. Unlike 300 PRC which has had to contend with things like 300 WSM and 300 RUM for market share of the 300 WM users, the 7 PRC sits pretty much alone (7mm-08 being a different purpose animal) as the sole improved 7mm round.
You should do a showdown with 30-06, 7mm PRC, 6.8 Western, and 280 AI. That would very interesting to watch.
Would love to see the 7PRC vs 6.8 Western analysis.
The scooters are a pretty hilarious touch haha
A very important aspect of versatility that wasn’t mentioned is the heavier projectiles and greater inefficiency on ranges out to 1000 yards, out to 500 they’re neck and neck, beyond that the PRC begins to edge ahead.
There has been a lot of “the latest & greatest” but there is a reason that the the 7 rem mag, 300wm, 30.06 & 270 are still around You can walk into any store and pick up a rifle and or a box of ammo for these guns. Try to find a box of 7 PRC at “Bob’s Bait & Tackle” BFE Idaho! Good luck!
Ive owned several 7 mag over the past 50 yrs and they have all shot well. Since I have reloaded and collected several set of dies, powder, bullets for it I kind of have to stay with it. But I definitely think the 7 PRC is cool and toss around the idea of getting one to re-kindle my love of range time and tinkering load data again. I have finally come up with the way to buy one and still have a happy home, is to tell my lovely wife its for my Son-In-Law since he takes me deer hunting every year! Ya, that should work!
Just hope your wife doesn't sell your stuff for what you said you paid for it!!
We need 300 win vs 7 mag. And 7 prc vs 6.8 western !
My 7 rem mag does everything I need it to do. For most practical hunting purposes, the 7 mag will take care of all the hunting needs for me. If I need something more to hunt fang and claw, i will jump to a 30 cal or 338 cal catridge.
It will take anything in America.
In the gel test there is a little bit longer thicker more devastating wound cavity for the 7 PRC it looks like to me
I actually was considering this past winter early 2023 of getting a 7PRC, a 280 aclay improved, or a seven-rem mag..... So are they opted for was?.... I rebuilt my Thompson center venture 7 mm '08..... I put a new board stock on it but the aluminum trigger guard all the fancy engraving new recoil pad and a Leopold VX5 3 to 15 power by 44.... And your reason why I chose the rebuild my 708 because that is my gun I always go to for hunting deer or black bear in Pennsylvania..... I get sub minute groups with my reloads 140 grain nausea partitions... Which now I'm trying to do loads this coming winter of 2024 with copper bullets...... Because I only shoot a max so 450 yards... So this is what I have to say. You do you and I'll do me and everybody enjoy the outdoors. They're hunting. And y'all have a great day!
Professor Ryan has never let me down
Yesssss! Stoked to watch this.
What a let down
Looking into a rifle chambered in 7mm, I noticed the PRC tends to have a shorter barrel length than the Rem Mag. Considering the rise in suppressor usage, it could definitely be a factor for people buying new rifles.
I think the biggest advantage is in reloading. Not having that belt will make it easier
Both cartridges are great and both have a place. If you have one then you dont need the other. 7prc vs 6.8 western or 6arc vs 6.5 grendal.
Never thought I'd see this video with Ryan in it. WOW... given the difficulty to find ammunition outside US these days wont see to many factory ammo guys run the PRC
I'll keep the 7mm Rem Mag. Mark is entitled to his opinion.
These videos are the best!
I am glad to hear you say it because my seven PRC feels like it shoots softer than what people I have stated it should it feels softer than shooting my 308 Gascon
glad this is out, 7mm rem is a keeper
As one guy said, “if you already have a mag, spending money for the PRC makes no sense. Not really enough difference to justify. The one advantage I see on the PRC is not dealing with a belted case. Otherwise, eh.
7RM with more options and does comparable to the 7PRC. So unless you want or need a 7PRC then 7RM all day 👑. And btw i love all the 284 options. I owned a 7mm08, 7mm RM. And I currently own a 28 nosler.
I love 7mm’s. I have a killer 280 ai and just picked up a new bergara in 7PRC
Forget the 280 Ackley. I want a 280 based 7mm Creedmoor !!!
For hunting, that would be great. Competitors like Erik Cortina recently have been using the 7mmPRCW, based on the 6.5 PRC case which gives closer to 280 AI performance, but with higher BC bullets.
That pretty much already exists as the .284 Shehane or .284 Wheeler or even the 7mmPRCW
@@joshjamesguitar but are any of them SAMI approved with the backing of a major ammo company like say Hornady...
If you don't already have a 7mm, it makes sense to consider the PRC. If you already have a 7mm RM, it probably doesn't make sense to jump ship.
This was a awesome podcast
Thanks and Go Hawks! Mark B.
I appreciate the belt less design, but I'm really loving the short action magnums. Wish the 7 prc had just been a necked up 6.5 prc. May build a wildcat of that one day.
7-6.5 prc is gaining popularity as a good F class cartridge. It seems to be very accurate like the 284’s
What are the 6 available rounds chambered in 7PRC that were alluded to in this video?
Difference in cost for the same boxes or ammo?
Dang!!!! Finally a good comparison!!
As someone that just chose between the two. I have firearms on both size sides, but wanted a 7mm for fun, a middle ground, and well..just cause I wanted one. There was no contest in choosing the 7PRC over the 7mm Rem Mag. I have to agree though..if you already have one, there is no reason to go buy a 7PRC, unless you are just wanting a 7mm specifically for long range shooting. I'd go with a tie over all, but over the years the PRC will become the winner. A good challenge.. 6.8 Western v 7MM PRC
I'm a die hard .284 caliber fan. I absolutely love my 7rem mag and am working on a 280AI build right now. All that being said, I think that the 7prc will soon over take both cartridges, especially once other manufacturers, like Barnes, Nosler, and Berger get on board. A 168 LRX in a factory load would be phenomenal do all round.
I'm rebarrelling my 7rem mag to 7prc and planning to load up 168gr lrx bullets. Should be a cracker 🤞
@AussieInCA11 I debated doing the same thing with mine. Decided to stick with the 7mag mostly because I have so many components for it. I could probably shoot the barrel out on another 2 or 3 rifles and still have some left! I'll likely add a 7prc in the next year or two though once I finish up other projects. Gotta complete the whole PRC collection
If you're only shooting 168 grain bullets is the faster prc twist rate needed? Or would you just be after more speed? I've been shooting 162 terminal ascents and my 7 mag loves them.
@@cheatinggravity173 168gr copper are longer, 7 mag doesn't stabilize them very well 1:8 is recommended
@cheatinggravity173 copper bullets are different entirely, to get that heavy they need to be significantly longer and this causes a couple issues. Issue one being that longer bullets don't stabilize the same, think of comparing the 168gr LRX to a 195gr Berger EOL. Same as the 145 LRX would likely compare to a 168 accubond or something similar. The second problem you'll run into is COL. Given that the 7 rem mag case is longer than the 7prc case properly seating those long heavy bullets can become problematic due to magazine length issues both detachable and internal. My current 7rem mag is pretty well maxed out in the 160s because I can't seat any heavier bullets and still use my detachable mag. Sure I could single feed them but that kind of defeates the purpose
7mm Rem Mag is going to be around a long, long time from now.
308 was suppose to make 30-06 obsolete. Guess whats still sitting on the ammo shelf next to 308...
There are fewer bullets options available but so far it seems I don't need options. Every bullet I've tried in my 7 prc has respectable accuracy. I contribute this to the case design and the tighter tolerances between the bullet and where the rifling starts. In the past I have taken a old school cartridge, .270 win, out to find a bullet it liked and it only liked 1 out of the 6 different bullets I tried that day. My point is more options that aren't accurate aren't more options. As others have said, it's not worth getting a new rifle if you have a 7 rem mag, but the 7prc is better.
the barrel on the rifle chambered in 7 rem mag was longer?
Love to see this comparison with Berger bullets
Please do compare all 3 ( maybe 4) 7mm they are top sellers: 280 Ackley Improved, 7mm-08, 7mmRemMag, 7mmPRC Same rifles, eld-x and CX into gel blocks, and recoil ( energy and acceleration) Then another video 280 AI v 7mmPRC - how to trim down the 7mmPRC to be like the 280AI - less recoil, shorter barrel, etc
Help please guys. I cannot afford to buy all types of ammo to test for my rem 700 . May I ask for suggestions of factory ammo for whitetail , hogs. Thanks for any and all suggestions.
What about accuracy from a factory rifle shooting factory ammo? It seems like out of the box the 7prc should have an advantage there. I struggle to keep my 7 rem mag (browning a bolt) below MOA.
Consider that now rifle makers like browning are producing 1&8 twist rifles in the 7mm rem mag. With bullets that will correspond to the twist rate for the rem mag, how much difference is their? If you are building or buying a 7 in 5 years when there is more ammunition availability, i would probably go with the PRC.
im kinda intrested in the 28 nosler, I don't hear anything from people doing comparisons with it with any other 7mm's, I hear ya and see ya the 7remmag is great but does the 7prc reload and chamber better? I love my 7remmag but can we get a update that doest have the belt well looks like the 7prc is pretty much what people asked for.
Yes 7 mag !! Love it !
200 yds or less is a long range shot for 95-99% of us hunters
Where I live your lucky to find a far enough shot that a 30 30 wouldn’t work but if u wish to not track them. 7 REM mag. They never run.
One unspoken point. You mentioned the 38 or so offerings in 7mm mag ammo. Some of those are lighter faster offerings. I shot a 120g nosler load yesterday that I got 3525fps out of. lol. That would kill a coyote or antelope. It seems currently that the ammo companies have forgotten about anything other than heavy for caliber bullets. That being said. I will be replacing my 7RM barrel with a 7prc when it’s time. I hope that factory loadings are made available for lighter bullets as well. As a reloader I don’t care. But there are a lot Of older school folks that will look at 7prc as only a long range big big game Cartridge
The 7mm Rem Mag was already a very good cartridge with modern "match style" (freebore + throat) design. TBH, I have been a little surprised that the 7 PRC gained popularity so fast. I was really hoping that the Hornady's new 7mm cartridge would have been half-way between the 7mm-08 and 7 Rem Mag in powder capacity while still allowing long-high BC bullets (maybe using the 300 RCM case). That would have given it the same effective range as the 7 Rem Mag with less recoil. It would be closer to the 7mm-6.5 PRCW that is doing well in competition.
Sounds like 280ai would float your boat?
@@freedomlover425 I don't really need either, but the geek in me prefers the very slight improvement in accuracy and efficiency with the 7PRCW. I like the shorter-fatter case and improved chamber. The 280 AI stuck with the original 280 chamber in front of the case neck so existing 280 barrels could just be easily modified. The 1950's 280 was Remington's last cartridge using the older chamber design before adopting the "match-style" with freebore a few years later (with the 7mm Rem Mag and all subsequent cartridges).
Sounds like you need a .284 Shehane@@jfess1911
I disagree with the premise that the 7mm RM will be a relic. The 7 PRC will be the relic along with the 300 PRC. They just don’t really do anything that their older belted predecessors can’t. If you’re a hunter it’s just really hard to justify buying a rifle chambered for a hot new round that is a marginal improvement over existing cartridges with the glaring downfall of sparse ammo supply. You really have to think about whether or not you can get ammo if you ho on a hunting trip and forgot your ammo or handloads. That’s one thing that will always be in the back of my mind. I’ve done it before. I’ve driven 4 hours away on a hunting trip and realized I forgot my hunting cartridges. You’re not going to find these fancy PRC cartridges at a bait and tackle shop in a small town in Montana.
As a hand loader who hunts, if I really wanted an improvement in performance I’d go for a 28 nosler period. Both the 7rem and 7prc need to be handloaded, and both need 26in barrels to see their true potential; even then they’re pretty much identical.
I have owned 4 yes 4 7mm Rem Mags over the years and have had issues with all of them. 2 Rem 700s, 1 Winchester 70, and now a Ruger 77 MkII. Not saying that it is a bad cartridge but in my hands it is cursed. Switched to a 270 WSM some years ago and have had much better luck with that, still have the Ruger 77 as it was the only decent gun of the bunch but nowhere near as accurate (1.5ish MOA with handloads) as my other calibers so it gathers dust unless I am hunting reasonably close.
Accuracy issues have nothing to do with the cartridge used, it’s either the particular loading or the rifle setup. If we assume you know what your doing with the hand loads, then it’s the rifle setup. Is it the rifle itself or is something improperly torqued causing stress and loss of accuracy? If you haven’t taken it apart and went thought it making sure it’s all put together right then that would be a good thing to try, I’ve had rifles come from the factory with receiver screws out of spec causing a variety of problems including one (thankfully noticed at the dealer before I purchased it) that had to long of screwed so the action wasn’t even pulled tight to the stock. Funnily that rifle actually was a 7mm rem mag lol
@@jaydunbar7538 I don't claim to be the greatest handloader of all time but I do have several loads that shoot bug holes in several different calibers so I am no noob either, been reloading for about 15 years now. The Ruger 77 seems all torqued to spec but it is a 30ish year old MkII in a magnum cambering so there is a strong possibility that the throat is a bit worn, I bought it used so there has been an unknown number for rounds through it, the bad news is that my best handload shoots 1.5" groups, the good news is the cheapest factory fodder also shoots 1.5" groups so at leased it is consistent. I thought about re-barreling/re-chambering it but I don't know what I would go to, don't need a 300 Mag for anything and I hesitate to go with another 7mm Rem Mag given my history, maybe if that 7mm PRC catches on I might go that way. Never did any work on a 77 before so that would be a new experience, but the first thing to go would be that #^@&ing awful factory trigger on the MkII.
7 prc will grow into the shoes with time You mentioned the handloader part It is nice as a hand loader to not deal with a belt and just head spacing off the shoulder Getting ahold of some 7mm SSTs and eldm would be sweet in the same grain weight then test them side by side over a chronograph and gel i think the 7 prc will start to edge out when you consider it will drive a 180 gr projectile a similar speed as the 7mm rem mag with a 160 gr class projectile With that in mind so a person could use a factory gun in the test going down to a 150gr projectile would be good
SST should stand for: Stop Selling These If you shoot them into a 250 lb+ big game animal with anything in the 3000+ fps class inside 175 yards, they tend to grenade too quick and not reach the vitals. Might as well be using Berger VLD's (Varmint Like Disintegration).
@14goldmedals this is the most ignorant shit iv ever read An SST is an interlock bullet no different then the soft points and just like the remington corelok and are intended to maintain nearly all of its mass and ha e control expansion... Now the ELD line of projectiles are a cup and core design that will "grenade" when striking a solid object because there a match a bullet Look up the different bullet designs before speaking so you don't seem like you have to rub brains cells together to retain a thought
It would have been a better comparison to use the same grain bullets for both. I love my PRC's but my old tried and trued 7mm Rem Mag does virtually everything the 7mm PRC will do.
I can’t wait for the comments of the fudds absolutely losing their shit because their identity is so deeply tied to their cartridge of choice. 😂
IF younarexa hunter and dont take unethical shots past 500.yards take the 7mm rem mag. It is a true performer and will never let you down. Have owned one for going on 32 years and mine is like my right arm, couldnt live without it. IT like the immortal 30/06 will never fade into obscurity like these new flash in the pans.
I own an old model Sako model 75 Hunter model with a 26" ss barrel in a synthetic stock in 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum. I know it'll never gain the popularity of their first 7mm Rem Magnum. But very curious, how it wound compare to a 7mm PRC ? Comparing apples to apples. I enjoyed your video & debate. You earned a new subcriber...
Only 500 yards?? What about a 120 gr. Barns for antelope??? Is that too light for the 7mm prc twist?
7mm Remington, good! 7mm PRC, good! Love my 280 AI and will probably stick with it. Would have enjoyed seeing the 280 in the mix with all of them shooting the Hornady 160 gr CX.
I wanted to finish my prc collection...I have a tikka t3 I converted to 6.5 pr a 300 prc christensen arms fft Ridgeline and now a another tikka t3 #2 contour 1-8"twist in a mdt hunt 26 chassis went 20" with the 7 prc gonna try 180 eldm and 175 eldx
26" barrel 7 RM Berger 195 EOL @ 3,000 ft/s 7 RM Berger 180 VLD Hunter @ 3,100 ft/s I wonder if I can load a PRC to match that.
My feelings before watching haven't been challenged after watching. If the 7PRC has staying power and picks up industry support from other ammo mfgs it'll have a marginal-but-existent improvement over the 7 rem mag. (Kind of the same way I feel about the 6.8 western, am I allowed to compare that to the PRC?) Can't wait for the long form podcast, always really enjoy these two going over these results. I hope Ryan addresses why he's so against the rem mag and so infatuated with the PRC when they're so incredibly close.
Not allowed to mention 6.8, hornady gets upset if you show there’s other modern cartridges that aren’t theirs
Why you would not test the same bullet weights..... I know they are nearly the same but if we are comparing apples to apples.... +1 for the 7 Rem Mag IMO. All that aside, I loved this video. Keep them coming guys!! 280 AI VS 7 Rem Mag yes do this!!!!
Because they arent the same. The 7PRC allows longer bullets, and the SAMMI twist rate is faster for the 7PRC. The apple to apples is bullet diameter and action length, trying to make the cartridges identical entirely defeats the purpose of the comparison.
Yes make the bullet weights the same, put that heavy bullet in the rem mag so it doesn’t stabilize and show why the prc in a factory rifle wins hands down in performance.
7 mag is awesome. Always has been. Always will be. Is the 7PRC better? Perhaps marginally, but the 7 Mag is still awesome and hunters could do a lot worse.
7mm prc sounds like the cat 7 of ethernet cables when running 10 foot lines across a room with 1gb internet speeds.
For terminal performance thaye didn't include energy. The 7PRC shooting the heavier sleeker bullets will have more energy at all ranges. Score should have been 3 to 2 with that. Granted the 7 Rem Mag still wins, but as a reloader, and long range shooter/hunter, the 7PRC is better for me.
Yall should’ve got one of the hornady dudes for this. The 7prc is a stud
Let's see some Nosler action the Partition, Accubond, ABLR, RDF. Hornady is a great manufacturer of bullets but how about other's. A-Frame would be a great topic too.