#10MinuteTalk
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Jimmy and Mark chat with cartridge-man, Ryan Muckenhirn, about a series of cartridges with one of the most iconic silhouettes - the sharp-shouldered Ackley Improved. In this case, we speak most specifically to the .280 AI, one of P.O. Ackley’s earliest mainstream wildcats, and its long journey to becoming an increasingly popular SAAMI spec’d round.
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Since Ryan has stated that his favourite cartridge is 45/70 a 10 min talk is a must now please
yes i want to watch that now...
.280 AI is an awesome cartridge I love it, speaking of 45-70 you all should do an episode on it.
& the 45-70 Ackley also !
@@abowhand How do you do a 45-70 Ackley improved? 4570 is a straight wall cartridge...
The 250 Savage AI and the 257 Roberts AI were both very popular and effective "improved" cartridges. Basically, any round that had excessive case taper and a shallow shoulder angle was likely to benefit more from the AI treatment. One of the main points of the AI process was that the datum point on the shoulder didn't change, so it was safe to shoot factory ammo of the parent case in an AI chamber. That is how most folks created their reloading brass. Some folks feel the 280 AI is the ultimate evolution of the 30-'06 case. I tend to agree. Kenny Jarrett has built many of his fantastic bean field rifles around the 280 AI cartridge. That says a lot.
I have 338-06 ai. 280ai and a 270 ai and love them all. Really accurate and kick less
Who TF does post editing? We couldn't get a close up on the cases during the explanation of the shoulders? Come on guys.
This request is pretty much on all the videos reviewing a cartridge. At this point, I would have to assume they’ve seen these requests and don’t care
this has the most likes? what a bunch of whiners..
@@BrokenBarBox Sure seems that way!
@@thomasd6509 For those who haven't seen the difference in person this is a great suggestion. After all, a picture is worth a thousand words.
@Killary For Prison bro THEY WROTE the wikipedia page
This is my absolute favorite cartridge. Like Ryan, I’m a reloading and gun nut, and could quite literally do these cartridge talk podcasts with him. And he’s absolutely correct in saying this is the ultimate do it all cartridge. I feel so more than the 30-06 and I own and have shot game with both. 7mm Mag performance in a standard action/case and using approximately 10gr of powder less than the Mag to achieve similar velocities is MONEY!
The original "Bean Field Rifle" from Kenny Jarret from South Carolina was a .280 Ackley. Popularized by a writer named Layne Simpson. (who also wrote about and pumped the interest for the 7MM STW) Jarrett rifles are very collectable.
Been shooting a 280rem for almost 30yrs and love it. The 280AI has been a great improvement. Hand loaders dream !!
Ditto here!
Second attempt to ask for .303 British, I got my first hunting rifle in it this year, for next season.
Worked ok on Germans.
Loved listening to this, and all the other cartridges you’ve covered. I will almost certainly never own a 280, but I love hearing about the history and hunting applications. Keep it up!
.280AI got my attention when I was looking at getting another magnum rifle. Can't remember what article I read, but when comparing it to .280 Rem and 7mm Rem Mag, it was surprisingly close to the 7 mag performance without the recoil. It really looked like one of the most efficient uses of powder capacity without diminishing returns, excess recoil, and with very near 7 mag energies at long range.
I feel like the 7mag really shines with above 160s and the 280 AI under. I consider both to be handloader cartridges. 7 mag factory stuff is not loaded near potential
Garth Vader I own one custom built back when customs weren’t so high. Mauser 98 action. It is a canyon gun it can do things my 06 never dreamed of. Kicks like a 243 penetration like a 7mag. Elk don’t take another step. I won’t hunt with another rifle. My06 has been relegated to backup status. Btw I think I read the same article about 13 years ago
@@jeremysmith3114 who made your barrel on yours . What twist did you go with. I’m currently building or going to build this same rifle
@@lukefoster3550 for me i went with krieger 1 in 8 twist so i was able to use 168 barnes lrx very great elk load going 2950 makes it my favorite 400 and in elk gun
@@tylarhaugan7908 how long is your barrel. I’ll probably have Douglas barrels build mine because they are local and give a great military discount. I was thinking of 1 in 8.5 twist with 26 inch barrel. But I think a 24 with 1 in 8 probably be just as good 168 accubonds is the round I’m hoping to shoot .
Great video! I've been studying this cartridge for years and built 2 rifles chambered in 280 AI. One is a medium weight (14lbs) target rifle on a Defiance Tenacity action and the other is my 10lb back country hunting rifle built on a Rem 700 action. Both rifles shoot to the exact same point of impact with the same loads and same dope out to 800 yds. Been very happy with them.
Thank you guys the 280 is one of my grail caliburs.
The more I read about the 280 AI -- the more I like it.
I do own a 280 and I simply love it! The cartridge does all it's designed for, in spades!
You helped talk me into one, Big Horn Origin Action, prefit barrel, Triggertech trigger. I cannot wait for my action to arrive. I picked it over the the 7mm Rem Mag but didn't want to reload a belted case.
I own two 280 AI. My favorite load for both is with Winchester 6.5 StaBall powder. The loads I worked up include a 154 grain bullet out of a 24" barrel at 3000fps and a similar load with a 150 grain bullet out of a 26 inch barrel at 3050fps or a 162 grain from the same rifle at 2900. All very accurate.
I own a standard 280 Remington in a bolt gun. Love it. It has to be in the running for the most underrated cartridge of all time based on its performance, balance, and efficiency. It is hard to overstate how badly Remington fumbled the execution of one of the best ideas in American cartridge design. I'm guessing that if Winchester had gone .284 when they developed the 270 Winchester instead of .277 Jack O'Connor would have fallen in love with the "280 Winchester" and history would have been changed. The success of the 7x64 Brenneke (almost identical to the 280 Remington in every way) in Europe is further proof of what should have been. I'm grateful for the 280 AI because it keeps the standard 280 Remington alive.
The 280 Remington cartridge was once the 7mm Express Remington, NOT 7mm Remington Express! Savage also chambers the 280 Ackley Improved cartridge in their inexpensive rifle to most expensive too. I love my Savage 110 Hunter in 280 Ackley Improved with 22 inch barrel I paid under $500 brand new! Yes, short stubby 22 inch barrel for the 280 Ackley Improved cartridge! I achieve impressive accuracy with great velocities too. I only use 280 Remington brass that I reload and fireform hunting reloads. I've also reloaded the 30-06 Springfield Ackley Improved and 7x57 Mauser Ackley Improved cartridges for over 28 years.
I have two 700’s in 35 Whelen and two in 7mm Express in 700 actions. They also for a very short period ran them marked 7mm/06 as when we purchased them at “JC PENNY” one came correct while the other box marked 7mm/06 was actually a 30/06 ! That was one we should have bought as the serial number matched the box but the caliber didn’t!
I own a pair of Remington 280 and a pair of Ackley 280…the gain in velocity seems to be about 60 fps on average given similar bullets with IMR 4350. I get 2988 fps with a 145 Barnes LRX. Other powders would probably give you more. One thing I really love about the Ackley is that the brass doesn’t stretch very much with subsequent loadings. You trim your brass less. The 280 Ackley is a fantastic cartridge. It ought to be way more popular. I use a Kimber Montana mainly.
I just built a 280ai, great cartridge and now commercially supported. Handloaded it matches most commercial 7rem mag offerings
My gunsmith built my 6.5-06 AI on a Mauser 98 action. Shoots like a dream. On a side note, I used National Match 30-06 brass primarily because it doesn't have a 30-06 headstamp. I figured that would trigger my heirs to realize it was different. And yeah the .45-70 is a great one. Mine is on a Mauser action bolt gun.
This is a great one!! Been waiting on this catridge for awhile now thank you!!! One of the cult followers here!
Good velocities, high BCs, modest recoil, good game and steel projectiles available - I love this thing. Parked my 270 win in the rack, sold my 300 short mag and moved to 280AI and haven't looked back.
Good stuff guys. I have been a big fan of the 280 AI since probably before any of you guys were born, I love it. Not as much for velocity increase, as accuracy potential by decreasing case turbulence , and greatly extending case life. Before the internet ,and before I knew how to use it.LOL 280 brass were at times hard to find.
So much information. Love the 10 min talks
Thank you for doing this cartridge.
OH YES!! Ryan's favorite........45-70. Perfect!! It is really a fun caliber to load and take anything that Poops on the North American Continent. Really enjoyed this podcast on the .280 AI too. I'm fond of that caliber but I don't own it. However, I was looking for a good used deer hunting rifle for a young man who I had taken under my wing and introduced to hunting. His Mother wanted to get him a rifle for Christmas but asked if I would help. My local gun store owner had a Remington 700 chambered in .280. He let me take it to the range and shoot some factory ammo and evaluate it. It was a shooter for sure! It easily shot sub minute groups at 100 yards. I zeroed it and put the target with the rifle. He was thrilled to get that rifle and still enjoys shooting it to this day. What a great cartridge. Thanks for sharing this Podcast. God Bless.
Thanks for tuning in, Stephen! :)
280AI has been around for quite awhile. People who own them love them. Interesting to see it getting popular now. Thanks for taking time to cover this. How about a segment on the 284 Win.
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I feel like I’d love a 280 Ackley. However, I don’t hand load yet, and it’s pretty difficult to find factory ammo for it. Usually when I do, it’s close to $80/box.
You can shoot 280 Remington in an Ackley, and get ackley brass that way if you reload
Agreed. I really wanted a 280 AI but after looking at the cost of the ammo for the performance you get, No thanks. 7mm Mag. Better performance, cheaper ammo and available at most ammo shops. Downside, a few more ft lbs of recoil.
Great vid, I’ve been wanting to build a 280AI for years. Might end up just buying one, Especially if Bergara is making one.
I built a 280 ai for my daughter custom built semi heavy barrel on it very accurate very low recoil and fun to shoot
Can't argue with a guy who loves 45-70.
Yes!!! Y'all are listening. I'm currently amassing reloading equipment for this round...then I will buy(or maybe build???) The rifle!
The .270 Win (my favorite cartridge and longtime hunting companion) yesterday and the .280 AI today. You guys are off to a great start with these Christmas Cartridges videos/podcasts. Since I have a .277 dia and a .308 dia cartridge in my .270 Win and .300 WSM respectfully if I were to get another medium to magnum bolt action rifle I would want to split the difference and go with a .284 dia cartridge. The 280 AI and the 7mm-08 would be my top two choices for a lightweight mountain rifle setup since they perform well and don't recoil like the 7mm Rem Mag, the fire breathing 28 Nosler, 7mm Weatherby, etc.... the 7mm STW is an interesting one. The Kimber Hunter would be a good rifle to have even though I have heard mixed reviews, I can't afford the Mountain Ascent. Glad to hear that Bergara is chambering their rifles in 280 AI now even though they are not too light. Would be sweet if Tikka would. I know Savage does, but both my .270 Win and .300 WSM along with my .17 HMR are all Savage and I want to try something different. Thanks for sharing.
Go with the ultralight- savage. Wyoming hunter
@@ziruk-king4466 That is a rather good choice and I do like all three of my Savage rifles, but part of me wants to try something else that is solid. Plus I can't afford a $1200 rifle ($900 of it is the PROOF barrel). Thanks for the suggestion. If I see it on sale like I did for my .300 WSM in the Long Range Hunter I might jump on another Savage.
Another good video. You guys are doing well. I know you can’t please everyone but a 257 Weatherby mag video would be cool.
Very interesting cartridge and video. Would love to hear a ten minute talk on the 6 remington and .257 Roberts.
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Please do a 45-70 video! Hands down my favorite cartridge
I cannot believe that you said the 4570 is your favourite cartridge, I am hand loader, is mine also thank you .in my opinion it can do it all .PS I love Ackley stuff. My next gun Build is A 260 Remington Ackley improved
great talk guys - Thanks!
I have quite a few of the Ackley cartridges. The 280 Ackley is one of my favorites, along with the 22-250 Ackley and the 7-08 Ackley. While some of the increased capacity is marginal in some cartridges the Ackley version feeds and chambers better in some rifles. A lot of the Ackley cartridges especially such as the 22-250 Ackley does not stretch as much and require less trimming. The 35 Brown-Whelen is a favorite for close moose in the bush, and would be a neat cartridge for you guys to review.
RCBS works with Kimber, when I called Cooper they told me I could use the RCBS does, but the brass wouldn’t be interchangeable between the Cooper and Kimber because Cooper is just enough different from the Saami that you could get pressure or it may not chamber. This was about 3 years ago though.
I purchased one of the newly released 7mm Express Remington 700s back in 1980. Great gun, great cartridge. I have a sporterized 98 Mauser in 280 AI. Both nice shooting guns. I had a 7mm Mag but got rid of it. Didn't care to carry the extra of the gun and heavier ammo for such little improvement in performance.
I've never owned or shot any of the AI cartridges,except for the 35 Whelen AI. My brother bought one of the Remington 700 special editions in 35 Whelen,and while we were in a camp in Colorado,one of the guys there was a gunsmith,and he told my brother he had a barrel for that gun,if my brother wanted to buy it.He did,and let the guy put it on for him.I must say,it really woke up up the 35 Whelen.It increased velocity significantly,but without a whole lot more powder,and Even though it kicked,it wasn't that bad.I was very impressed.
.280 A.I.? May as well be the highway to the episode on all the Weatherby cartridges. The world holds its breath in anticipation!
7:27 hahaha I just noticed all the Spam stacked as decoration on the shelf behind him. Nice touch! Fits the atmosphere!😅
Best 10min talk yet!!!
I had a Remington Model 7 KS 7mm-08 20" bal I had it improved 40 degree shoulder my best load was 145gr Speer Hot Cor at over 3000 fps wish I still had that Rifle
This is a really good one!👍
I am one of those Ackley guys. I noticed you mentioned .338-06 Ackley improved as a good one. True one more 8n that class is the. 35 whelen Ackley improved. What I do with a 225 barnes x will blow your Sox off. Also when talking p.o. Ackley one also mention Gibbs. A 25 Gibbs is a burner. Ackley did some amazing things with winchester lever gun cartridges like 225 win Ackley or even 30-30 Ackley
A talking point that was glazed over is the fact that in common hunting weight 140-160 gr bullets it matches the 7 rem mag while giving an extra round of magazine capacity! to date my personal experience has been(4 whitetail a turkey a coyote and a bobcat) that the extra round hasn’t been a necessity because I’ve yet to need a second shot but it’s nice to know that it is there if I ever do...
Thanks. I’ve been waiting for this a long time. The .280 REM was my “go to” for quite a long time. 5 or so years ago I switched to the .280 AI and I absolutely love the caliber. You must shoot handloads to really appreciate the cartridge. I’m curious to which powder you prefer with the 160 Accubond besides RL 26. Down here in the south I load mine with 140 Accubonds that are scary fast with sub moa accuracy. 26” barrel. Thanks again
What speeds ?
These talks are interesting. But we need to see some closeup images of these cartridges...maybe a corner screen inlay?
I’m fascinated by this cartridge. Savage makes an Axis in this chambering.
I would've liked to see a closeup and point out some of the case features that make it an excellent cartridge
The .280 AI was also called the 7mm 06 and 7mm Express. I have a 26 inch barrel Cooper rifle, it's no problem to get 3366 fps. with 150 Nosler BT bullet with 61.7 grains of H-4831.
SO WHAT , MY 7mm rem mag will drive a 150 gr swift scirrocco at 3200 fps with 67.0 grains of IMR 4350. Wheres the big velocity jump with the AI.
@@twolak1972 The .280 Al will equal, or better with LESS powder. The .280 AI is always more accurate, but the 7 mag works fine. Remington was \ is bad to put short, 24 inch barrels on their big magnums. Btw, 67 grains of IMR 4350 is 5 grains over max recommended load. 🤔
@@ricktaylor3748 That's for my 150 gr scirocco,s. The 175 is 63 grs. Just because your AI is more accurate doesn't mean it's more accurate than a 7mm rem mag,s.mine groups 150 & 175,s in .5 groups at 100 and it loves trophy bonded bear claws .
@@twolak1972 I'm happy your 7 mag. shoots (S)ciroco bullets well. My AI shoots ½ inch groups at 200 yards. I can easily get 3366 fps with my 26 inch barrel. 67 grains of IMR 4350 is still well over max load levels, it doesn't matter what 150 grain bullets you're shooting. Your 24 inch barrel won't deliver what a 26 inch barrel will.
@@ricktaylor3748 Not with the reloading book I have. 67. Grs for a 150. 63 for a 175. 50,000.CUP. Well within the safe region. I've landed this forever and it takes your 26 inch barrel to equal a nosler 175 in my 24 with these loads so rifle ain't any faster than my 7 mm rem mag. You just bought into the hype. The 280 and 7 PRC have no advantage over a 7mm rem mag.
How about enlightening the folks on the fantastic 284 Winchester! It nearly fell into obscurity, but is finding a resurgence as its a very competent and accurate cartridge, and a sweetheart when handloaded.
Semi-auto carbine plinker chiming in. Thinking about getting my first bolt gun. Hope my question isn't too basic. How's 280AI barrel life compared to a ballistically comparable cartridges?
Keep em comeing boys
The 280 Remington dose not need improving. If anyone read his book you would know he did not think all cartridges needed improving. He claimed the 270 had a slightly larger case capacity than needed for the bore size. That would make the 280s powder capacity perfect for the .284 bore size. His greatest praise of all his improve cartridges was the 250 Savage AI. Ackley did much testing on case capcity to bore size and blowing up bolt actions to test for strength . Ackley is a good read but many believe the results of his testing is obsolete because of modern powders. I believe that point of view is a big maybe because he used slow burning powders for 50 BMG for large cases like wildcats based on 378 Weatherby magnum. Even Ackley believe there is no majic in shoulder angles. He sited the double radius shoulder the of Weatherby cartridges . Weatherby shoulder shape is a copy of the venturi of a carburetor.
Great video. I have a 270 which is my favorite cartridge for western big game. I also have rem 7mm which is my second go to gun. My son keeps wanting me to buy a 7mm-08. But I have analyzed a lot of data and I appreciate your knowledge of the 280 ackley ai and I really wanted to buy one last year. However I can never find ammo for it, so I am glad that I didn’t. Find me a bunch of ammo and I will probably be looking to buy one for a one stop shop western big game rifle. With that said, I sure would like to shoot a 6.8 western.
Michael, Come up with half the cost of a .280 Rem, have your son come up with the other have. You're his Father, he's your Son. Encourage each other. ☆
Re26 with the 183gr smk was the ticket for me. North of 2900fps… it was a hot load
From what I read , Remington brought out the .280 to rival the .270 Win which was super popular at that time , due in large terms because of one man , Jack O'Connor . But they brought it out in their 742 semi-auto , and kinda fudged on their stated velocities because they had to load it down from it's potential because that auto loader wasn't meant for real high pressures . After 20 yrs or so , I'm sure some spanking new V.P. in charge of hype at Remington said , " let's just change the name and do an Add Blitz " , and thus the 7MM Express was born ! Unfortunately , the shooting public was not amused , and after a couple of years it went back to being .280 Rem . P.S. Jack O'Connor was the shooting editor of Outdoor Life magazine , his replacement when he retired was a great guy named Jim Carmichel , who was a great supporter of the .280 Rem . P.S.S. Winchester did the same thing when they brought out the .284 Win in the semi-auto model 100 . I have a friend who's dad bought the lever action variant model 88 in .284 Win , and has used that one rifle for close to 50 yrs , and has taken sooo much game with it . Including some monster Bull Elk . The .284 is very close ballistically to the .280 , and I'd love to see 10 minutes on that round .
now we need the 10min 45-70gov video please and thank you.
I dont know why everybody and their dog is so hot for the 280 AI, but no one makes any noise at all about the standard version. The fact is there is very little difference. I have a 257 AI, it runs about 300 fs faster than the standard version. But that is the exception. The 280 AI doesnt have nearly as much over its standard version. Maybe 100 fs average, 150 fs improvement at the most. The standard 280 is a great round even without the sharp shoulder and the hassle (and expense) of fire forming.
The 257 Roberts AI and the 280 AI are the two most popular that come to mind. There are others as you mentioned (30/06 AI, 223 AI, etc). But at the end of the day I'd rather go 7mm Rem Mag than fiddle the costs with Ackley Improved dies, cases, etc. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for tuning in :)
PO Ackley himself made a full custom 7mm Rem Mag for the Oregon timber baron Glen Park(RSG lumber company owner). PO accidentally and wrongfully made the rifle left handed. Glen Park was not left handed. So he gave it to one of his mill managers who's son was friends with my dad, and was also neighbor. That rifle was a work of art of the likes I have never seen matched. Not even by Griffen and Howe of Dakota rifles. The stock is drop dead gorgeous. To my knowledge its only firings were from the test fires during its production. I probably bugged my neighbor to look at it about every 6 months over a 10 year span.
You really didn’t research the Ackley Improved motivation very well. Ackley wasn’t just some wildcatter. He was a ballistician for the US Gov during WW2, just for openers. He submitted his case improvements to the guv, like our 30-06, but that design wasn’t machine gun friendly, not feeding as well, so it never got any widespread use. The main benefit, or one of the main benefits is reducing case stretch, giving more case life for the reloader. Bullet release was his big theory; and how the 40 degree shoulder made for an improved score in match shooting, as he believed it allowed for greater accuracy and maybe even better bullet concentricity. Ackley was not a fan of most magnum calibers, in terms of barrel life and economy of powder. Overbore; the term he used for many cartridges, was in the derogatory sense. It goes without saying that just to approach his level of innovation, that he was a master gunsmith. Fully capable of doing things like reboring a shot out barrel to the next size up, or sporterizing actions, stock making and everything in between. Gunsmiths come and go without even a ripple, but Parker O. Ackley really made a mark in his field.
Good podcast I believe the express nomenclature was originally used for a light weight(for caliber) bullet at a higher speed, usually with a hollow point bullet. I think that became less of a thing with smokeless powder.
It was marketing to catch the attention of potential customers and so was using 7mm versus 284 or 280 because it sounded different and more magnum like. Remember this cartridge was initially released right at the beginning of the magnum craze. It was later renamed and re-released when it was put into the 700.
@@tbrown91241 Actually the 280 Remington was changed to the 7MM Express Remington in about 1979. The name was changed as an attempt to boost lagging 280 Remington sales. The name changed caused confusion among shooters as many thought the Express and 7 Mag were the same cartridge. The name was changed back to the 280 within a few years. Lastly the model 700 was released almost twenty years before the first name change.
Random fact...PO Ackley believed that the .308 Winchester, as well as its sister cartridges, did not benefit from his “improvement” so he left those cases alone in the end. Also, if your going to discuss the history of the .280 in general, start at the 7mm Remington express and 7mm-06 and realize that it is what is modernly known as the 280 Remington. Might help out some that are unfamiliar. Good video guys.
The 280 AI has a lot of potential. Hornady and Federal both have available ammo for it (I've seen it in stores) and Savage and Bergara at least make guns chambered in it.
Sadly bergara dropped it but it is available from kimber
Many more rifle companies make rifles in 280ai, almost all ammo manufacturers produce 280ai too. I also handload my 280 ai and have unlimited options.
Use the 3006 in the woods hunting,. And the 280ai for the corn n bean field hunts. It's a laser beam. But up close in the woods the 30cal would serve ya better. Just depends on the terrain
Absolutely love my 280ai got my biggest antelope with mine @1007 yards 180eldm moving at 2950 with only a 24inch tube
nice, what powder?
@@JLuna505 61.5 of h 1000
Chronograph is effed up!! BS!!
Very informative
Finally!!! Now the (Production) King of the 30's , the 30-378 Weatherby Magnum
That’s an awesome elk cartridge. The concussion alone will kill a mature 350 bull at 500 yards! All kidding aside, I’ve seen this cartridge in action twice against mature bull elk with very impressive results. In both cases the shots were at 300-400 yards and the 200 Accubonds brought instant death when they went through the lungs. On the other hand, ammunition is way expensive even if you reload.
@@nmelkhunter1 oh, I 100% have zero doubt... it has the same energy at 350-375 yards, that a hot loaded 30-06 has at the muzzle. It literally takes 150gr & 165gr "normal' hunting bullets and pushes them to varmint velocities... a 308dia cartridge that literally has a 120gr is capacity is nuts. Approximate 30cal Cartridge capacities 30-30 win - 35gr-36gr 308 win - 49.5gr 30-06 - 60gr-61gr 300 win mag - 82gr 300 wby mag - 95gr 30-378 wby - 120gr The 30-378's capacity is literally double of the 30-06. Hail the king of America's bullet diameter
How about doing a close up of the cartridges. I have been really interested in .280 AI for twenty years my next rifle will be one. I’ve seen many articles where guys are getting 3200fps out of a 140 grain bullet. A 140 TTSX at close to 3400 wow.
Have a link to this?
Let’s see a 7mm Remington Magnum video
This featured expert dislikes the 7mm Remington Magnum. And his favorite cartridge is the 45-70.
For disliking it, he talks about it a lot in various videos. I haven’t notice him say he dislikes it, but he does seem to like rifles with less kick.
I have a Kimber pro hunter in .280 AI I am shooting factory 155 Federal Premium Terminal Ascent at 3035 feet-per-second over a chronograph. I am shooting a tiny 1 hole group at 100 yards with this ammo.
2 requests: .25-06 ai. 6.5-06 ai. Great video. Have to agree with Ryan about sharp shoulders being exciting
We'll throw it on the board - Thanks, Robert!
No lol...very very enjoyable video....but simplifying to say the Ackley improved is only about increasing case capacity in no way does Ackley justice....give us another go with Ackley's study of pressure curves prior to bullet leaving case. I love your spirit...thanks for the show.
So I’ve mentioned how this is without a doubt my favorite cartridge. But there are some little quirks when custom making one of these guns. So Mr. Ryan may be able to help clear up some questions people have on the 280 Ackley Imp. “SAAMI” vs 280 Ackley “Standard”. I built my 280ai with the saami spec reamer on an 03A3 action. A good friend wants to build one using a Shilen Barrel. They use the old “pre2011” standard reamer. For guys who are interested in going either route with the 280 AI and handloading for it, which dies can be used with which specific reamer? I know that one of the chambering is .014” longer than the other and can cause some headspace issues. I believe if you use nosler brass in the old reamer version it can cause an issue. So, currently which manufacturer makes dies for each specific chambering? From my research the only company that uses the old style in their dies is Lee. Everyone else has converted over to the SAAMI chambering, unless you can find dies made before 2011.
I would love for someone to clear that up too. My father had a .280AI built on a Mauser 98 action sometime in the late 1980's. He used it until he went through the five boxes of ammo that came with it, and the guy that built it went into the witness protection program, or something similar because no one knew what happened to him. I started hand loading about 7 years ago so I fished that rifle out of the back of my safe and started doing some research. Talk about walking into a stirred up hornet's nest. It seems as though Nosler wanted to start manufacturing the .280AI commercially. The first step was submitting drawings to SAAMI for approval. I'm not sure of how much time passed after approval and starting production but eventually it was discovered that there was a dimensional discrepancy between Nosler's SAAMI approved drawings and the original P.O. Ackley drawings. And there were probably half a dozen different opinions on whether it was a problem or not. One of the forums I participated in, which is now closed, had numerous threads about it. I think it was Reloaders Nest. Anyway one of the forum members contacted Nosler and asked them if it would be dangerous if they went to Academy and purchased a box of cartridges, labeled for .280 Rem Ackley Improved, and then tried to use them in their rifle, labeled .280 Rem Ackley Improved, that was 20 years old. The response that he got from Nosler was, "That's not our problem." Since the day I read that I have never purchased a single Nosler product. And I purchase .280 Rem brass and fire form it in my chamber.
@@sascotttx5145 from what I understand, is that since your rifle was chambered pre saami, you’d want to purchase dies that are pre saami, such as the Lee dies. The way the whole situation was handled when getting the 280 ai saami approved is messed up. There are sooo many discrepancies on the internet saying you can load this or that or use these dies or those dies, it’s a mess. Most die manufacturers do specify if there dies are saami or pre saami. I believe your rifle is old enough you should use pre saami dies and fire form 280 Remington brass to your chamber.
If I'm going above my 270 in hp it's going to be my 7 rm mag, 168 accubond lr, loaded to roughly 3.4 almost 5 length getting 3225 fps rl25 and half inch groups...I custom built it as a precision lr gun bull 416ss barrel
I genuinely enjoy your talks especially you three you work together and off each other so well, really well. congrats we aussies often dont like so much US pages. yet another victim of rifles released that are so wrong in that era short barrel carbine? no thanks bolt gun for hunting yes with right accessories and stocks/trigger/mag etc.
I read the cover off PO Ackley s book. He was all about maximum bore capacity. For example ; he thought the 270 Win. was slightly over bore. That would make the standard 280 rem. maximum case capacity for the 7mm bore diameter. The 250 savage was the most improved of the AI cartridges. He did not think cases like the 220 swift was worth improving because very little velocity could be gained. He did believe case extraction was easier and case head thrust against the bolt face was less with the AI.
total side story, off topic, but when I was an 8 year old kid going hunting with my dad for the first time, he used a borrowed .280 from his friend’s collection, and I will always remember the sense of, “awe and terror and fascination” that I had when I saw the literal fireball come out the end when he took his shot. hahaha- early childhood memories! San Angelo, TX deer lease hunting!
204 Ruger, 45-70, 284 Winchester. Yall should have a talk about these.
Something Ryan didn't mention is the 280AI gets most of it's velocity advantage over the 280 Remington mostly due to having a SAAMI pressure of 65K vs 60K for the 280 Rem. Equal pressures and barrel lengths is only about 50 fps difference. He's spot on with performance with RL26. My 280 Rem averages 2980 fps with a 160 in a 22" barrel with it so I've no doubt the guys he mentioned are getting 3100 fps in a 25" barrel in the AI.
I wish someone made a .280 Ackley barrel for the Garand.
Could you review 325 wsm ? Not much info out there
"Express"designated ammo was originally used by companies like Kynoch to denote higher velocity loads using lighter weight bullets. American manufacturers picked up on it. I have a 35 Remington "Express" box top from some 180 grainers made around WW1. It has a cute Art Deco Locomotive on the box. I didn't check but I'm assuming the bullets were Core-Lokt soft points (that's an ammo nerd joke)
How did the .243 ai work out
I would really love to have a Bergara in 280 AI. Did they ever or are they likely to make one?
Can u do a podcast on the 257 Roberts
RL 26 and 175 Eldx's @ 2850 fps is my handload. Very good cartridge for a mountain rifle.
must be nice to find RL 26 smh
Please do one on 7mm rem mag
Do you guys actually shoot or reload any of these cartridges you discuss? Some things you say are kind of odd and it makes me wonder. Thanks for the vid.
Finally!!!
Does the 338-06 benefit from being Ackley Improved? Also please do the 10.3x68
How does this compare to the 6.8 western?
Oh yes, I want to do a 7MM build and I am leaning more toward the 280 AI....also 10 Min on 45/70 make sure you add in the Siamese Mauser in the discussion....300gr HP at 2500fps!
Do a talk on the 300 savage