Luger Model 1902 Carbine
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With the advent of successful self-loading pistols, one of the additional markets that many companies tried to appeal to was the compact carbine. Self-loading rifles in proper rifle cartridges would not be developed as quickly as the pistols because their much greater chamber pressures represented a more difficult engineering problem. However by simply attaching a stock and long barrel to a pistol, many ambitious manufacturers hoped to sell a weapon as a sporting carbine. These were done by DWM with the Luger, as well as Mauser's C96, Mannlicher 1894 pistol, and many others.
Model 1902 was the designation of the major batch of commercially made Luger carbines, although there were several small batches of prototypes prior. Only a couple thousand were made, and they ultimately took quite a long time to all sell - it turned out this type of firearm was simply not very popular for its cost. The same story was true with the other contemporary pistol-carbines - none would be very successful. DWM did make another group of carbines in the 1920s, although those were made from various leftover parts and are both not as nice as the original 1902 guns (which were mostly made in 1904 and 1905) and widely faked.
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Both the Luger and the Mauser pistols and carbines have such exquisite machining. The Luger's checkering is really impressive. It's kind of staggering to consider the level of craftsmanship in these guns.
It really is beautiful
Funny how things go "full circle". Look at all the pistol caliber carbines available now.
The 1860s Henry rifle technically was a PCC.
Ya but those are more to skirt around the SBR rules then anything else
@@theeggman1199 that kind of thing inspired firearms design back then too
What you mean about them all being considered sbr's now
@@theeggman1199 It's considered a rifle if it has a stock.
These Lugers must have seemed like 'ray guns' when they were introduced in the 1900s. Such beautiful firearms.
Less than 30 years from the introduction of the Colt Peacemaker. Definitely a ray gun.
agreed
The ray gun was based on a luger bud
Nice little carabine, I just love the style of this period.
Yeah, exactly
Ah yes i love carrying a flamethrower That could explode any point on my back. Or a handgun that can over heat in my holster that will cause it to shoot mu leg with a cook off.
@@thetexan1011 which pistol?
@@adamhauskins6407 the early po8 lugers.
@@thetexan1011 ah thanks
those guns are such goddamn beatiful craftsmanship
My Dad & I were watching a movie and it showed a Luger. Dad said "They used to hate it when I'd go to the Seattle Police Department range, because that was so loud." I said I hadn't known he'd had a Luger, and Dad said, "Oh, yeah. I loved it. It had a long barrel, and a carrying case that doubled as a shoulder stock." I screamed......
Oh my that thing is beautifully made and fitted.. And the finish looks like black glass.. I can't think of a more cool of a plinker for a day at the range considering one would actually want to shoot this piece regularly. I've shot a 7,65 caliber Luger used by my relative as a service pistol as a chief guard in a large areal prison. These things just fit so nicely in the hand and shoot like butter. And they are built like Swiss watches. Real eye candy of a gun if any. Thanks for the video!
25 USD for a P08....... I wish I had a Time machine. *Although TBH I could probably afford a P08 if I can afford a Time machine*
$25 USD IN 1904. $750 USD in 2016.
You must be using the post Carter consumer price index at the base of your inflation calculations. If you include the price of the items removed from the CPI by various White House administrations since then, a truer 2016 price for the pistol is about $1,400+. :)
+Ken ibn Anak I was basing it on Ian's quests in the vid
His point still stands, they're now $2000 and up. Usually up. (stating the obvious, but oh well)
he would need some old money.
OMG!!! that pistol looks like it was made yesterday! perfect shape! wow!!
I'm really glad you can make these vids for the auction because it gives me access to the history even though I could never afford to bid! Thanks! :D
damn, that's really well made. the inside of that handguard is finished nicer than the outsides of many guns.
The C96 might always be my favorite for how neat it is, and it's badass looks, but Lugers are damn sexy.
I bought one these in the 90's from an estate sale. It is a matching number gun on the 22xxx range. If memory serves I paid $400.00 for it. It is a wonderful pistol, very accurate and it works well for small game.
Incredibly clever and elegant design. You cannot go wrong with the Luger brand. I'm not surprised the estimated price is so high...
So high it never sold.
Beautiful. It looks very finely made. It is interesting that a standard luger was going for very close to the same relative dollar as a VP9 or PPQ today. While we may be getting a better pistol today in terms of practical function today, I think they were getting a better value back then.
That is just beautiful. I miss the style of the older guns/buildings/etc. Guns may be better today, but they just don't have the aesthetics of the old stuff.
those dwm carbines are in my eyes one of the most beautiful guns ever made.
My name is Cameron McCreary. I love these carbines. I made the custom rear stocks, grips, magazine bottoms and fore ends for John Martz Luger carbines. They were made like the originals and lots of fun to shoot and very accurate out to 200 meters. Enjoy!!!
Happy To know you. I have several of Johns Lugers. I am trying to find someone that makes walnut presentation cases for them
@Dan Didnot too much Pressure?
after you remove the stock, can you throw it at an enemy in a duel to "end him rightly"?
I prefer throwing loaded magazines at my enemies
I miss this meme
There was a presentation custom cased Luger Carbine given to Hitler, that a G.I. picked up as a souvenir, and then was lost in time. I read about it when it was discovered in his attic by his family after his passing. There was an article in Guns & Ammo in the ‘70’s. It showed amazing craftsmanship. I myself found a .22 cal Stoeger Luger that looked much like this one, minus the buttstock. Shot true, but had to be manually loaded because the previous owner didn’t maintain it at all.
One of the most beautiful pistol carbines made. Need one, can't afford one, but need one.
Its amazing to me how Ian(sp?) does so much research and knows so much about basically every gun he reviews, down to each individual screw and spring in the action of every gun... its very impressive. And on top of that, he somehow does that w/ multiple guns/videos a week. props to Gun Jesus.
It helps that about 80% of guns, if not more, all follow similar principles. Similar to how all car controls are laid out the same etc. People figured out what worked best.
Weirdly enough this thing looks strangely futuristic to me. Obviously it's over a hundred years old, but imagine it being finished in a more modern materials.
You can order a Luger in stainless steel...looks incredible!
Looks straight out of Star Wars, doesn't it?
@@brandonbentley8532 who from? Not for years I thought! 45 ACP and 9mm Luger made 1980’s?-1990’s. Let me know please! SORRY OLD TGREAD BUT TRY ANYWAYS!
I realise it's just a simple button, but the way the stock connects at 07:00 looks strangely modern for something that's almost a hundred years old.
mainly because star wars used old german surplus broken guns for their blasters
Something just straight sexy about this setup, has the elements of a pistol, rifle, and shotgun all in one package
Hi Ian, great review, as always. This is a beautiful piece and I wish that I could justify having such a work of industrial art. Since I had already done a regression of the Barrels-By-The-Inch database of the Federal 135 gr. Hydra Shok JHP Low Recoil in 9mm, I wanted to see what the benefit of the longer barrel might be. Yes, I know this uses a different cartidge, but I figure that this is close enough to give some insight. Luger P08 Luger Carbine Barrel 3.9 11.8 Energy 320 417 % of Max 75% 98% So, the carbine pretty much extracts all of the power of the cartridge in a light, compact, controllable, aimable, transportable, semi-automatic. Considering that the next step up would likely be a full-size repeating rifle, I can see the potential appeal. Of course, I may be biased in that I have a Beretta CX4 in 9mm which is in many respects quite similar and I just love it. Not as pretty or as cool as the Luger, but fun to shoot and a whole lot cheaper.
an industrial designer and a mechanical engineer made a beautiful design that worked, neat
This was the poster on my wall. Some kids had Lamborginis. One of the most beautiful guns ever made.
Your videos are so hypnotic. I can not watch your for weeks and then when i watch one i was all the recent videos. Keep up the great work
I really appreciate these videos as a firearms enthusiast and historian. Good info on unusual firearms.
Ian misses nothing. Thank you for yet another amazing expo.
Would love to see Karl or Ian run this in one of their in range matches.
I remember my grandpa having one of these when I was young. I always wanted to have it for myself when I got older. Unfortunately, he passed away and my grandma sold it, along with all his other lugers/WWII pistols, to a dealer who gave her pennies on the dollar.
Damnn that is ashame should have been family heirlooms
Doo doo happens.
What a well built and well cared for carbine. The thing looks 5 years old, ha. If I thought I could afford it, I would purchase this one, even though it is not in 9mm. I am sure I can find a way to reload for it. My favorite stocked carbine of that general time is the detachable magazine Mauser. I think that lends itself well to being a carbine, and the detachable magazine almost makes it viable as a modern CQC carbine.
That's one of the coolest looking gun I've ever seen ! (sorry but you can't be cooler than a C96)
I always thought the Borshardt 1893 looked cooler than the C96. But thats my opinion.
The Schnellfeuer variant of the C96. There, I topped you.
+theWolvesbane Bergmann 1910
The Canadian Viking I prefer the looks of the C96 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
+theWolvesbane And ya know it's a damn sexy gun so I respect you for that.
what beautiful cabine rifle, very well made, the machining is second to none, the finish looks great for its age
During the early 20th century through WW1, I know that Germany and Austria-Hungary made many stocks for, or rifles from, their service pistols. These include the Luger P08, Mauser C96, Steyr-Hahn, Frommer Stop, Mannlicher pistols, Bergmann pistols, and maybe a few more. However, was this concept really experimented with among other countries, aside from those two, during this specific time period? I never hear about anything like stocks being made for the M1911, Ruby, Nagant M1895, Colt 1903, or whatnot. . .
I love all the P08 design so damn bad! your channel is awesome as well!
Just watched C&Rsenal's vids about these yesterday.... Great timing :)
I bet Borchart wished he'd listened to the suggestions everyone gave him when the trials were taking place. Can you imagine being so close to creating one of the most iconic pistols ever made? What an egotistical tragedy. Oh well, at least Mr.Luger was there to save the day.👍😉
Beautiful piece of history!
I would love one of these and I really like the ones that come with the interchangeable barrels so you can chose between the rifle and handgun so you can use it either way.
That is one of the most beautiful weapons I've ever seen!
I loved the anecdotes about Theodore Roosevelt and Wilhelm II
Thanks for a great video of an interesting, rare item in - pretty much - perfectly preserved condition. I predict it will realise a premium at auction.
Man, these are nice looking guns !
I have been watching your videos for a while now Ian, and I thought it was funny that a lot of the guns I've seen you cover are now in Battlefield 1.
Esta Luger, representa uma das jóias desta empresa alemã, em referência as armas de boa qualidade. Sou grande admirador...
Looks like a well made, quality piece
Looks so well made.
I would soooo hunt with this thing. I didn't say "successfully"
I imagine a 9x19 carbine is pretty good for up to class 2 game. Considering the small size of the game the semi auto capability would be nice.
+Ben M This cartridge has put many people in the ground so it should do fine for deer. The problem is that people forget that not everything is shooting 30-06 so don't try and take a large buck at 700 yards. LOL
Why not successfully? It's more a matter of hunting for the right game...
The stock is the key to all of this.
Yes, I would hunt with it. W-W and R-P both made the .30 Luger in hollow points up until about the 1950s. Would be a good hunting round. But mainly, I would just sit back in my easy chair and admire the beautiful Luger carbine. :-)
I'm totally not a gun person but I find your videos so interesting.
According to wikipedia, some carbines from the 1920's had barrels up to 24 inches. Ian needs to find one... I can only find an image of "only" 16 inches.
uwu
Wow, 24"!? What a waste of weight.
@@oktayyildirim2911 I would expect the bullet to lose a ton of energy.
Those 1902 lugers are the best looking one's by far
I hate how attaching a stock on a pistol no longer makes it a pistol but into something less legal. I'm guessing it's because the same folks who said a barrel-shroud is illegal because it's "The thing that connects to the shoulder."
almost 500k woot woot keep up the great vids
I'm early, lemme think of a joke. KZhead in it's current state
*its
+lptomtom go home correcter
You mean Grammar Nazi?
dont say nazi youtube will shit down your throat
Nope, the US election. It ruins every last shred of believe in democracy...
is there any documentation of Teddy Roosevelt bagging any game with his Luger carbine?
Incredible piece of history.
Beautifully made.
Always thought these were beautiful,definitely one of my win the lottery class dreams
I'd love these. Its certainly underpowered as a rifle, but as a training weapon, small game weapon, or just general target shooting carbine its probably quite fun. If I'd been around in the early 1900s, I'd have given that to my kid as a first gun lol.
Because it's not a rifle. And at typicals ranges i.e. less than 300 metres, 9mm is perfectly effective.
Beautiful Pistol Carbine!
Beautiful gun in beautiful condition.
If they'd developed it to be able to perhaps store the barrel in the stock and basically change from a pistol to rifle barrel without tools then it could have been marketed fairly well as perhaps an aircrew weapon,especially if the stock also provided extra cartridges alongside the rifle barrel. Of course today it would be hard to have something like that exist legally as a brand new gun
Wow! What a beautiful firearm.
That is extraordinarily beautiful
That thing is a work of art.
Now that is a really nice gun!
Perhaps one day you'll run across a Luger rifle m1906. That'd probably have to be your final video, because that is the crown jewel of unicorn guns(barring, except, the absolute very first firearm ever invented).
Beautiful. Simply beautiful.
Work of art.
That's a pretty sweet looking luger.
OMG Ian I would love to have this in my own personal collection this carbine looks fantastic I can't get over how good it looks unfortunately I can't afford it I'm sure it will hit at least 5 grand
5 grand will get you a normal LP08 (artillery). $18,400 was the realized price.
What a beautiful firearm!
Gorgeous.
Great video. Keep it up.
Now that is a good looking gun.
Gorgeous even if not super useful. I can only hope to have one someday.
What a beautiful firearm
Beautiful carbine and great video! Can't wait to try this in Battlefield 1 :D
Hey Ian, can you give me some book recommendations on firearm development from 1870-1918? specifically ones from post civil war to just before world War 1 if possible. Also, I read "Sniper on the Eastern Front" and it was excellent. Is there any other book like that which shows lesser known tactics and weaponry akin to the explosive rounds? thank you for the amazing videos, especially the RIA ones on rare and interesting weapons.
That gun is gorgeous.
now this is a very nice looking gun ...
Looks pretty damn sexy, that woodwork is pretty amazing.
Не удалось пострелять с такого пистолета-карабина (в 1986г),патронов Не было 7,65×21. С "Артеллериста" много стрелял (9×19),да и из разных Р08,а вот п-карабина,увы. Спасибо за видио ! Вообще-то...,я фанат Люгера,первый раз пострелял в 1969г,у начальника топографо-геодезической партии был служебны Р08. Фронтовик с первых дней,имел 3 ордена Красной звезды,не считая медалей. С Уважением,Юрий.
be nice to see a artillery version luger they look alot like this one
Thanks for the vid sir.👍🏼👍🏼🖖🏼
Beautiful.
Forgotten Weapons now is just "Hmm... Bet that gun's gonna be in BF1"
I hope it is. Customizing guns for different use in Bad Company 2 and on was the greatest thing, would make all the sense if you could end up with a stocked Luger even if it wasn't this beautiful model.
Mamiya645 Don't forget about when you spawn in a tank or plane and get the C96 Carbine (A Mauser Broomhandle with a longer barrel like the Luger 1902), there's 9 or something different guns that are available in the full release
whats up with these chinese cartoons in people profile pics
Oh shoot.. I need my PC to stop greyscreening so I can get playing games again.
Roberto Shrimp it's actually vietnamese spongebob
Would love to have one of those in .22LR, legal length barrel of course.
Considering the current trend of pistol-caliber carbines, stuff like this is only around 110 years early.
Beautiful gun.
Can you do one on the 1952 Sears Roebuck bolt action 12 gauge by high standard? I have one in original condition all original parts:) Awesome shotgun, kicks like a mule;)
What a little beauty!
Good Lord what a beauty!
Something I would love to see you talk about is some of the weird Russian bullpups. Though sadly i doubt you'd run into one, thus get a chance to talk about them.
yeah that would be cool
xxBEASTITxx I would as well.
luger and c96 are my favorite
This and one of those revolver carbines. Probably cooler to look at than to use.
A rather handsome firearm. I want one.
I know I'm commenting much too late to expect a response... But how functionally different would this be to the 1908 luger which ended up being used by the stormtroopers? In theory if a stormtrooper carried one of these would they have been at any disadvantage compared to troopers with the LP08?