Should You Buy a Festool Domino? An Honest Opinion

2024 ж. 29 Сәу.
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In this video we are talking about the Festool Domino. The tool many people swear by, and other scoff at, so we are talking about where and when we like to use it, and also where other tools might actually be better suited for the job. Come along as we explore using the domino in situation like panel making, box joinery (butt and miter joints), non-referenced mortises, and furniture leg miter joints.
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    @Foureyes.Furniture@Foureyes.Furniture3 жыл бұрын
    • Domino or Papa John's? Or maybe Pizzahut?

      @stankolodin5586@stankolodin55863 жыл бұрын
    • @@stankolodin5586 or little Caesar’s

      @akbychoice@akbychoice2 жыл бұрын
    • Your presentation style is hilarious; love ya guys!

      @samgarza6835@samgarza6835 Жыл бұрын
  • As a hobbyist, it was tough/impossible to justify the Domino, but now that I've had one for a year I can't imagine life without it. I have probably completed at least a half dozen projects I never would have started pre Domino. We all live within the iron box of the 24 hour day and the Domino allows you to get sh%t done extremely accurately and quickly. And if you find yourself not using it, you can sell it and suffer remarkably little depreciation.

    @senortj@senortj3 жыл бұрын
    • Yeah, I think the resale value is a key consideration. With Festool's price increases each year, it doesn't take long to be able to recoup nearly 100% of your investment into the tool while the next person still gets a good deal.

      @colinmcinnis3999@colinmcinnis39992 жыл бұрын
    • Nicely said. I’m a domino agnostic but I think I may become a believer!

      @SSBailey77845@SSBailey778452 жыл бұрын
    • I'm of the opinion that professionals and non retired hobbyists have similar time constraints. One for money and the other to have family time too. So tools that save time are very valuable to both.

      @ice4142@ice4142 Жыл бұрын
    • Just bought one but haven't had opportunity to use it yet as I'm in the middle of workshop reorganization hell. (Took nearly everything out, painted the walls, etc.) Looking forward to making some money and getting sh%t done.

      @stephen1137@stephen1137 Жыл бұрын
    • @@stephen1137 Same situation for me

      @Yannis2022@Yannis202210 ай бұрын
  • "Foureyes, proudly bringing the same precision to our Dad jokes as we do for our furniture." Love it.

    @njmcliffe@njmcliffe3 жыл бұрын
    • I dig that tagline.

      @shaunb66@shaunb663 жыл бұрын
  • Professional turned hobbyist here, I bought one about 6 years ago for a couple of jobs - paid for itself in one job. Now I just build furniture for myself and friends/family and I still use it a ton!

    @nstrubhart@nstrubhart3 жыл бұрын
  • I'll say that as a hobbyist, I really have very limited time in my workshop. If a process like a domino can free up an afternoon's worth of work to keep my project moving, it's totally worth it.

    @wushunsupacycle@wushunsupacycle3 жыл бұрын
    • Nice way of looking at it. I tend to deny myself these kinds of toys because I find that I wouldn’t use them enough so not worth it for a hobbyist.

      @Duci1989@Duci19893 жыл бұрын
    • @@Duci1989 I built my son a nice mission style bookshelf using dowel joinery before I got my domino. It was frustrating and took 6 months with lots of mistakes to get it right. Looking back, had I had my domino I could have done all of the joinery in a weekend.

      @wushunsupacycle@wushunsupacycle3 жыл бұрын
    • I’m with you 100%. I get very little shop time. So when I’m there, I’d like the time to be as productive and enjoyable as possible. Saving a few bucks is usually the last thing to cross my mind.

      @HybridWoodworks@HybridWoodworks3 жыл бұрын
    • K​@@HybridWoodworks

      @Trillineatus@Trillineatus6 күн бұрын
  • Your videos somehow keep getting better! So informative and still hilarious. Been pondering over buying a domino for a while now and this has definitely helped make my decision. Thanks a bunch.

    @drewhunt9330@drewhunt93303 жыл бұрын
  • I've been using a trim router with a plunge base along with different types of jigs, bases, and attachments to make mortices for DIY dominos. I took delivery of a DF 500 a few days ago and what previously took me a significant amount of time took minutes with the Domino. I fall into the hobbyist camp, and at first I actually enjoyed the extra layout and thought that went into setting up for router mortices. But now that I've made several practice joints with the Domino, I can't imagine going back to my old ways.

    @HelloAnthony@HelloAnthony3 жыл бұрын
    • I think that's the reality of what a lot of people would experience. There is certainly no situation where you NEED a domino. It's just quicker in a lot of situations. And like you said, where you take enjoyment from coming up with alternative ways...most people, after a few times of doing that, they've gotten all the enjoyment they need from that...and you'd rather just get the piece assembled quickly and without error.

      @Foureyes.Furniture@Foureyes.Furniture3 жыл бұрын
    • Check out our KZhead; texascarpenter for a Festool Domino 500 hack that’ll convince you on this tool 👍🏼

      @texascarpenter@texascarpenter2 жыл бұрын
    • @@tabooretka I wouldn't suggest the DF 500 is limiting, but rather a job's requirements can exceed its capabilities. When that happens, I just go back to using a router to make the mortise and mill up some tenons to whatever size I need. I've never felt limited in what I can do on a project because I have a DF 500. There are many ways to solve a problem (including buying a larger DF 700!) ;-)

      @HelloAnthony@HelloAnthony Жыл бұрын
  • I love the professionalism and cleanliness of your videos. Thanks for clearing all doubts and being as unbiased as possible!

    @alfrejof94@alfrejof943 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks! we appreciate that :)

      @Foureyes.Furniture@Foureyes.Furniture3 жыл бұрын
  • Great job y’all. Your points are really fair and easily understandable when measured against the various experience/production tiers you mentioned 👏🏻

    @SuperFrooty@SuperFrooty3 жыл бұрын
  • Maybe when my kiddos are grown and I'm retired I'll spend all day chopping dovetails and mortises... but in the meantime, my domino enables me to make the most of the couple hours per week I get in the shop. Cheers!

    @Rossco242424@Rossco2424243 жыл бұрын
    • Great comment!

      @austinmarius850@austinmarius8503 жыл бұрын
  • I've been using them for years. Finally bought my own. I get so tired of people saying mean things to guys who build furniture because it is "easy mode." Sure the joinery might not be as interesting as something like half laps or the crazy stuff that the japanese do with dovetails but whatever. Joinery doesn't always need to be the center of the piece. If you want something sturdy, reliable, and with more functions that you really need then the domino is the way to go. Great video. Thanks as always guys.

    @benjaminstrobel3622@benjaminstrobel36223 жыл бұрын
    • Indeed. My reply to that has always been that my goal is the end result...and whatever means gets me there best and with the least error is the way I prefer.

      @Foureyes.Furniture@Foureyes.Furniture3 жыл бұрын
    • I get my DF500 today after six weeks of waiting for the delivery. I can not wait to try it and use on the regular basis.

      @KarelKubela@KarelKubela3 жыл бұрын
    • @@KarelKubela You’re going to love it. I highly suggest making your own dominos. Dominos are great for strength and alignment, but if you want to ad some style, it really ads flare making through tendons with walnut Domino in light colour wood, or vice versa.

      @ThisTall@ThisTall3 жыл бұрын
    • @@Foureyes.Furniture Just curious, and maybe playing devil's advocate, where might you draw the line? In other words, if your goal is to end up with a piece of furniture that is functional and beautiful -- and presumably that you've designed -- the best, fastest, most-accurate way to achieve that goal could be to outsource the building entirely ... either by hiring someone to build it or relying totally on automation (if that's possible or could be someday). So at what point on that spectrum would you lose the sense of pride or accomplishment? Another way of looking at it, what percentage of hands-on, process-oriented involvement do you need to still be happy about, and feel connected to, the end result?

      @GregLohr@GregLohr2 жыл бұрын
  • I really liked the conversation/interview style at the end. I also really related the perspective of either enjoying the process or the result. Thank you both for an excellent video presentation.

    @toucanproductions2935@toucanproductions29353 жыл бұрын
  • God knows how long these films take you guys to make... but just know it's hugely appreciated! Especially the line animations - super clear what's going on. Thanks guys!

    @davidbuchan2224@davidbuchan2224 Жыл бұрын
  • I think this is the perfect description. I am a hobbyist but I’m mostly interested in the realization of my ideas and designs. The process is cool but I have so many ideas I realized I’d never get them all done if I spent the time I was spending doing more traditional joinery. So even though I don’t sell furniture or have any time constraints, I want to see things done, and that’s why I decided to buy.

    @SeanOgdenh4x0r@SeanOgdenh4x0r3 жыл бұрын
    • Yup...and I'm finding with the comments and interactions that a lot of people fall into that exact category...which I think is a good thing. Some people see it as a negative, like "oh the craftsmanship is dying" - I see it as a positive "the creativity is flourishing".

      @Foureyes.Furniture@Foureyes.Furniture3 жыл бұрын
  • Great video guys! That was a great breakdown of domino vs non-domino joinery, Really digging how you've broken down the processes here and shown examples for each.

    @TimberBiscuitWoodworks@TimberBiscuitWoodworks3 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks man...appreciate it :)

      @Foureyes.Furniture@Foureyes.Furniture3 жыл бұрын
  • This was really helpful! Two questions on the floating tenon: 1) How wide should the tenon be, and at what depth do you cut the mortises? It looks like the tenon is about 1" wide, so would you cut the mortises 5/8"? 9/16"? 2) What's the difference/benefits between a floating tenon and rabbiting the top edge on a panel so the bottom edge acts as the tenon? Love the videos!

    @eamonflynn4273@eamonflynn42733 жыл бұрын
  • I liked the ending where you're having a conversation with each other. It feels much more organic.

    @cedarriverwoodworking@cedarriverwoodworking3 жыл бұрын
  • Real nice video guys 👌. I'm not sure if it's helpful or not but thought I'd share. When I'm using a domino (or biscuiter) and have to use the machine in a vertical position with a straight guide, I find it much quicker (and accurate) to use the peice you marked as, the straight edge. So in your example of the chair base to leg assembly, if you used the chair base, with its original markings on, as the straight edge you're good to do. No finding a straight edge, no transfering marks inaccurately, no extra time spent

    @WhangaFish@WhangaFish2 жыл бұрын
  • I love the way you mix your talent, knowledge and workmanship with a great sense of humor. Bill

    @williamellis8993@williamellis89933 жыл бұрын
  • I’m a very new hobbyist woodworker. Justified the purchase of the domino by building a few pieces of furniture and with the infallible logic that time is money! Have no regrets so far. Though I haven’t attempted the joinery you discussed with the chair project, I would think it could be made much simpler by approaching it as you would for dominos with a shelf in a cabinet - mark the seat top for location of dominos, mark a line for the alignment of the lower side of the seat on the leg assembly, then reference the base of the domino off this line by clamping the seat to the leg assembly (as you would a shelf on a cabinet).

    @dallasduncan5030@dallasduncan50303 жыл бұрын
  • I think there’s also something to be said for the enjoyment of using the tool as well. As a hobbyist the few minutes time savings isn’t that big of a deal. However I do enjoy using a clever piece of machinery. Not to mention the dust collection is really good. Nice vid by the way!

    @aldosarmiento2063@aldosarmiento20633 жыл бұрын
    • Good to know about the dust collection. I use a router for some of these tasks right now and dust is out of control.

      @chipsterb4946@chipsterb49468 ай бұрын
  • Great discussion that really helped me make my decision to buy a Domino. I do a lot of continuous grain joinery, the miter ability sold me!

    @TLW71@TLW712 жыл бұрын
  • You two and Rich rebuilds are the highlights of my week

    @antvdh@antvdh3 жыл бұрын
  • I recently acquired a Domino that was barely used and I'm very much a hobbyist. Your assessment at the end is dead on. I enjoy completing the project more than the process. But that is exactly where it falls for hobbyist - if you enjoy the process then it may not be for you. This is also why I bought a Leigh dovetail jig. Exactly the same. Great assessment!

    @ericarnsdorff3441@ericarnsdorff34412 жыл бұрын
  • Great video! One point, for some of us hobby types, learning to use the Domino is part of the process we enjoy too.

    @raytbrown2@raytbrown22 жыл бұрын
  • “That’s why I watch movies on 1/4 speed” 😂 sooo funny!

    @joshuaroe11@joshuaroe113 жыл бұрын
  • I like the discussion at the end. I have done both hand tool joinery as well as the quicker stuff like pocket holes. While I find it fascinating doing the hand tool joinery, in the end, I'm looking forward to the finished product rather than the journey itself. I would love to be able to afford a domino one day because not only is it fast/accurate, it is a very strong joint and a much better tool for clean furniture without having to hide other types of joinery.

    @osu122975@osu1229752 жыл бұрын
  • Loved this video. You guys are hysterical. Think your conclusion is spot on! I go both ways - LoL - that is, sometimes I relish the time spent cutting dovetails by hand and nearly always showcase that kind of exposed joinery in every piece I make, in fact it’s a signature for me. But for MANY, many joints (tables legs to skirts for example) the domino is the way to go, long replacing my traditional approach of old school mortise and tenons cut much too slowly and with too many human errors with various tools. Thanks fellas. Bravo.

    @MrGunner296@MrGunner2962 жыл бұрын
  • Nice video. I enjoyed the well thought out pro/con presentation. I'm a hobbiest woodworker myself. And while I do enjoy cutting joints, I'm looking at my next project with it's three dozen mortise and tenon joints, and the enthusiasm is fading fast. I think the 500 will be joining my tool collection before I tackle it for sure.

    @robertfliege1884@robertfliege18843 жыл бұрын
  • I knew a lot of this as I have been in the middle of this decision BUT you added so much to the discussion Thank you!

    @ChristianBrink@ChristianBrink3 жыл бұрын
    • Glad to hear that! Thanks Carl.

      @shaunb66@shaunb663 жыл бұрын
  • You guys know what you're talking about, but what sets you apart is your style and calm personalities. I really enjoy all your videos. Keep it up! Greets from Costa Rica.

    @lmontoyad@lmontoyad3 жыл бұрын
  • That transition out to the outro at 15:00 is absolute gold.

    @BrianSantero@BrianSantero3 жыл бұрын
  • You won one internet at 0:20. I particularly appreciate that you took the time to center the pizza slice tip with the screw before the attempt. I think it was a honest try.

    @batinsse@batinsse3 жыл бұрын
  • I have a commercial 3 HP horizontal mortiser. Man you never see anyone use those anymore. But it works great when I can use it. It’s just hard to carry around the shop. Thanks Guys. You had me waving back on reflex!

    @MJ-nb1qn@MJ-nb1qn3 жыл бұрын
  • for me i purchased the Lamello zeta p2 is the go for me because, you can do a lot of things with the climax system for more with a lot of time saving

    @reviewseals@reviewseals3 жыл бұрын
  • Great review and summary, Also great that you didn’t just make a 10 minute video but something with a decent amount of relevant content. Good job

    @jimmytommyjojo@jimmytommyjojo2 жыл бұрын
  • Thank you for your help. I am not a woodworker, just an artist who paints and was thinking of doing my own frames and mortises with a Festool Domino... Cheers from Quebec, Canada.

    @rosevan5485@rosevan54853 жыл бұрын
  • It's nice to hear talk about "results" woodworking. So many KZhead guys are always engaged in process, and I assume they believe their audience is as well. Great video, and equally great assessment of the different techniques for joinery. Thank you, and keep up the great work.

    @celticwoodworking8706@celticwoodworking87063 жыл бұрын
    • Check out our KZhead; texascarpenter for a Festool Domino 500 hack that’ll convince you on this tool 👍🏼

      @texascarpenter@texascarpenter2 жыл бұрын
  • I almost got one a couple weeks ago but I decided to spend a small fortune on a Sawstop #savethefingers

    @sailingeric@sailingeric3 жыл бұрын
    • That's not a bad decision at all.

      @Foureyes.Furniture@Foureyes.Furniture3 жыл бұрын
    • Definitely the smart move.

      @sirbrewzalot@sirbrewzalot3 жыл бұрын
    • You won’t regret it. 👍🏻

      @MrEldoradot@MrEldoradot3 жыл бұрын
    • There's no sawstop in this price range 😁

      @hinduspl@hinduspl3 жыл бұрын
    • @@hinduspl The jobsite starts at $1399 so you can literally buy a Sawstop for less then a domino. I'm not a Sawstop salesman or anything, I wouldn't buy that one for me but...just saying..

      @sirbrewzalot@sirbrewzalot3 жыл бұрын
  • Great video as always. Even my gf who has no interest in woodworking enjoys watching your content with me. The discussion at the end of this video was particularly important because I think its an important distinction for me (a keen hobbyist with little time, and complete lack of space to work with) to define if I enjoy the process more, or the satisfaction of the finished article. Somehow I've never considered this. Will definitely help define all of my future purchases.

    @innercityprophet85@innercityprophet853 жыл бұрын
  • This is easily the best video I've ever seen on the Domino. The spectrum of process vs. result is exactly the way I see the tool (as a hobby woodworker). I'm at a stage in woodworking where I'm building a lot of furniture I'm using in my house so getting to the finished project is my priority and I use the Domino a lot. Later in life, I see myself going more towards hand tools and slowing down and enjoying the process. At that point, I would of course not use the Domino but instead enjoy the process of making whatever joint I'm making. The concept of process vs. result in woodworking is really the key to understanding many aspects of the hobby. This same argument applies to most CNC work as well.

    @TheOttacat@TheOttacat3 жыл бұрын
    • Check out our KZhead; texascarpenter for a Festool Domino 500 hack that’ll convince you on this tool 👍🏼

      @texascarpenter@texascarpenter2 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks for your video, I searched for this similar answer as well. End result is the domino simplifies my life. I still use conventional mortise and tenon but the speed can't be matched. Biscuits, they aren't in the same league. Only dowels are in the same league. The domino is the best choice if you use it a lot. Thanks again, btw, you probably won't ever meet anyone that bought the domino say they regret it.

    @robertbankhead8661@robertbankhead86613 жыл бұрын
  • Nice work on the video boys! That intro really got me

    @SpencleyDesignCo@SpencleyDesignCo3 жыл бұрын
  • Useful informative video. Regarding difficulties in using Dominos in certain non-parallel constructions, I find that accurate traditional layout skills can transform almost every such situation into a simple matter of clamping an accurate guide piece onto a line appropriately offset from the intended line where the edge of one piece should meet the surface of the other, and then guiding the machine's base off the guide piece, i.e. ignoring use of the flip down fence altogether. Frank Klausz recommends a similar strategy of working off the machine's base, rather than fence, to simplify use of biscuit joiners.

    @michael.schuler@michael.schuler2 жыл бұрын
  • That end bit totally gave me podcast vibes. Not sure if there's already a FourEyes podcast, but if there's not, I'll be the first of many to say I would listen to every single episode.

    @LoganLovell@LoganLovell3 жыл бұрын
  • I bought my Domino after several years of saving and thinking about it. I’ve had it for almost a year now. NEVER once have I regretted it. It’s everything I expected it to be and more. Way faster and more accurate. I tried a doweling jig to “save money”. However it was nothing compared to the Domino. Well worth it!

    @AngieWilliamsDesigns@AngieWilliamsDesigns3 жыл бұрын
  • Its a time saver and makes joining boards easier. The 500 was sold out so i got the 700. Its an amazing tool and well worth it imo. Thanks for this

    @Antweak83@Antweak833 жыл бұрын
    • Totally agree!

      @shaunb66@shaunb663 жыл бұрын
  • Great video. It did help me make a decision. I like the comparison on best uses and not so good uses with the domino.

    @tommycristaldi9037@tommycristaldi90373 жыл бұрын
  • As a builder and woodworker for longer than you guys have been alive,I’ve always wanted a Domino but will never own one. At least not until the patent runs out and they’re made affordable. I love my “plate joiner” and the Domino picks up where the biscuits fall short and thats shear strength. Plate joiner is better for edge glue ups because it has forgiveness to it and is cheaper. When I priced a domino in Canada,it cost more than my 3 hp Tablesaw. No hand tool should cost that much unless you’ll give me an unconditional lifetime warranty.Love what you guys do,cheers.

    @kentrichardson9070@kentrichardson90702 жыл бұрын
    • Where are you buying a $300 3hp table saw? Domino’s price is set by Festool which is $1099usd

      @snydercustomwoodwork@snydercustomwoodwork2 жыл бұрын
    • @@snydercustomwoodwork in Canada with tax as of June 2022 they start at $1700 for the 500, $2500 for the 700. My three hp left tilt saw with a used Delta 52” fence was $1700.

      @kentrichardson9070@kentrichardson9070 Жыл бұрын
  • A lot to think about. Informative, thank you. Truly enjoy the videos.

    @ericramos1971@ericramos19713 жыл бұрын
    • Our pleasure! Glad you enjoyed :)

      @Foureyes.Furniture@Foureyes.Furniture3 жыл бұрын
  • This is a great and very comprehensive Domino review. Learning the tricks with irregular setups such as your chair example will slow down a novice problem solving the solution. I wish a video like this was available when I began with the Domino years ago. 👍👍

    @builtfixed6611@builtfixed66112 жыл бұрын
    • Check out our KZhead; texascarpenter for a Festool Domino 500 hack that’ll convince you on this tool 👍🏼

      @texascarpenter@texascarpenter2 жыл бұрын
  • "Should you?" More like "Can you?" ... they're almost completely out of stock and backordered everywhere due to pandemic slowdowns in Germany. I somehow got really lucky when I ordered mine last week. As a hobbyist who both enjoys "the slow stuff" and "just getting stuff done", it made sense to get this to save time on a large number of upcoming cabinet/bookshelf projects I talked myself into doing myself "to save money" ... so I need to spend some of that money I'm saving.

    @ex-nerd@ex-nerd3 жыл бұрын
  • I’m a huge advocate of the DowelMax doweling jig. I’m really curious if you’ve heard of it or used it? I find it’s incredibly fast and accurate. I’d love to see a speed comparison between that and the domino. Just for viewers’ reference.

    @JaredRandal@JaredRandal3 жыл бұрын
  • Bought one and used it for a few projects. Sold it for 90% of what I paid. I’ll probably do the same next time I need one since I don’t use it very often

    @McFlysGarage@McFlysGarage3 жыл бұрын
  • Have one. Zero regrets. That thing is a time saver and it allows for some more creative solutions to problems in funky angles.

    @WoodcraftBySuman@WoodcraftBySuman3 жыл бұрын
    • Totally!

      @shaunb66@shaunb663 жыл бұрын
  • I liked the end summary of end result or process enjoyment. I am towards the end result of the spectrum so enjoy having the Domino. I will say that as just a hobbyist that doesn't use it daily there can be learning curve each time you pick it up for a different situation. I make lots of tests for any new technique. If it has been awhile since I last did a similar technique I might need to test it out again.

    @LahaHolidays@LahaHolidays3 жыл бұрын
    • Good point. I hope people took that away. We always tend to think of it as this simple tool. And for certain situations it is. But there are a lot of complex things/situations we use it for/in

      @Foureyes.Furniture@Foureyes.Furniture3 жыл бұрын
  • You can reference with the 20mm setting in the 90degree position and use the base of Domino to center of bit which is a known 10mm distance. I would claim the Domino is the easiest and fastest and would be stronger. For edge gluing panels the Biscuit is best. It is cheaper. You can also plane the panel with less fear of reaching the Biscuit since it is thinner. I think the outdoor type Domino looks great with a reddish hue when left exposed as a contrast to a lighter colored wood like Maple. Looks every bit as good as a dowel. I use a DF500 nearly every day and would like to get a DF700 someday for some bigger work.

    @mikeecker146@mikeecker1462 жыл бұрын
  • Probably also worth noting that it's a tool which loses little (if any) value... big price tag, but having the option to resell it at nearly purchase cost in the future is powerful.

    @paulfrauen7567@paulfrauen75673 жыл бұрын
  • I watched this video on quarter speed. Love your work!

    @adnanali07@adnanali073 жыл бұрын
    • Haha, that sounds like a terrible time, but we appreciate it!

      @shaunb66@shaunb663 жыл бұрын
  • One other thing. The banter at the end was super great. You guys should add that to your videos for sure.

    @austinmarius850@austinmarius8503 жыл бұрын
  • After 4 years of woodworking, I finally got one. It arrived today (DF500) and I am in love. Got a project coming up that will heavily utilize it (waterfall bench), so I finally bit the bullet.

    @StevenDavisPhoto@StevenDavisPhoto3 ай бұрын
  • Worth noting the Domino's removable connectors system (kv-sys d8) which allows you or your customer to easily disassemble the parts. Also useful when you need to flat pack for shipping and the customer will assemble it. Some biscuit brands have a similar solution.

    @mururoa7024@mururoa70242 жыл бұрын
  • There was a legendary Seattle tool dealer, woodworker and sage named Tashiro. We were talking about different ways to make a Japanese plane. During the discussion Tashiro posed the question, What is time? Knowing it was a trap I meekly squeaked, Money? He shook his head and chide me, No time is life. Do it the fast way and don’t waste your life. I would speak with him for an hour and leave his small store with a single Japanese saw blade. He made no money but I never felt it was wasted time or as Tashiro would call it, life.

    @coldfootfun@coldfootfun2 жыл бұрын
  • Pretty solid break down. I started as a hobbyist, but overtime started entering into more of a semi-pro custom furniture status. I picked up my domino (500) about 9-10 months ago (been at this since 2017), and it really has been a total game changer in the quality of my work as well as the speed at which I can get things done. Its definitely an investment, but I think if you're really leaning into the hobby/side hustle and enjoy it, its a worthwhile investment.

    @donnygrahambuilds@donnygrahambuilds3 жыл бұрын
    • Totally agree!

      @shaunb66@shaunb663 жыл бұрын
    • Couldn't have said it better myself....and I tried for like 20 minutes and change.

      @Foureyes.Furniture@Foureyes.Furniture3 жыл бұрын
    • @@Foureyes.Furniture haha don’t worry, what you seemingly lack in wordsmithing, you more than make up for in witty intros and clever content 🤣👍🏽

      @donnygrahambuilds@donnygrahambuilds3 жыл бұрын
  • oh boi these intros just get better and better ♥️😂

    @mattdotmac@mattdotmac3 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks :)

      @Foureyes.Furniture@Foureyes.Furniture3 жыл бұрын
    • @@Foureyes.Furniture I think that with all the skits and "stand up” interviews you are doing in the office and the shop nowadays, a video with DIY sound absorption panels making is in order. This would greatly improve the sound quality. Otherwise, another awesome 4eyes video. Thank you, guys!

      @DimONMINIpeople@DimONMINIpeople3 жыл бұрын
  • Brilliant analysis at the end

    @cuebj@cuebj3 жыл бұрын
  • Love your editing and your jokes! LOLed a few times throughout the video! haha So glad I stumbled upon your channel, even tho I don't even do woodwork.

    @l.s.11@l.s.113 жыл бұрын
    • Glad to hear that! Thanks for watching!

      @shaunb66@shaunb663 жыл бұрын
  • Great video. I've had a domino for years and I love it.

    @irenebrowning@irenebrowning2 жыл бұрын
  • Clampzilla - specifically the Juniot model. I spent about $600 on two pair plus extended bars for wider glue ups. The way the Junior is designed creates a fulcrum point that lies just off the side of the panel. So when you start cranking it down to try and really level out those board, the black bar begins to arc in the middle, not even touching the panel any more. I have lots of other woodpeckers tools I love. The Clampzilla Jr. is my only regretful purchase thus far.

    @jeffb5858@jeffb58583 жыл бұрын
  • I have to admit this is one of the more even-handed looks at the Domino. Thanks. If money weren’t an object I would definitely have one, but until I can I’m glad there’s other methods to get it done.

    @wannabefunnyman@wannabefunnyman2 жыл бұрын
  • I'd love to be able to rent a Domino for a project or two to see if it's enough of a productivity increase for me verse the JessEm dowel jig I've currently got. As an At-Home Dad/ part time woodworker, while I do take commissions my production schedule is hardly full. So I'm not looking at huge time savings. I suspect if I walked into Woodcraft with where I am now and looked at both I'd likely invest in the Domino. Since I've got the JessEm I feel like I'm at a "is it good enough? " position.

    @MarkTurnbull@MarkTurnbull3 жыл бұрын
  • Nice video. Biscuits and Dominos are not the same. I owned a two biscuit systems for well over 20 years and a Domino system for over 11 years. Biscuits add minimal extra strength to a joint. That little extra strength might be all you need but the correct domino adds substantial extra strength. I find little difference in installation speed with either method. I would never use a biscuit for a loose tenon application. They are however great for glue-up alignment. I’ve used both systems for reinforcing miter joints. Biscuits are often adequate for frames and such but Dominos are seriously stronger.

    @Tool-Meister@Tool-Meister3 жыл бұрын
  • One thing, I Think, makes the Domino more Compatible is, that you could cut Dominios on the CNC wich eliminates the need for setting up the Handtool. Yes, you can cut Dowls and floatig tennons on the CNC as well, But with tha handheld Domino you can make the same joinery on parts, that dont fit/don´t need the CNC. With almost same accuaracy. Yes this does not apply to many hobby woodworkers, but the domino is originally made for Cabinetmakers and Starircase makers. And we use a lot of Big CNC mashinery. so the handheld Domino is a great addition to the Workflow.

    @CadaMul@CadaMul3 жыл бұрын
  • I got a Jessem doweling jig and it works great for me for now. So much else to buy before I get a domino.

    @sirbrewzalot@sirbrewzalot3 жыл бұрын
    • Nice! That is definitely a good way to get it done.

      @shaunb66@shaunb663 жыл бұрын
  • Wonderful professional content. Great editing as well. Thank you.

    @Samlol23_drrich@Samlol23_drrich2 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks!

      @Foureyes.Furniture@Foureyes.Furniture2 жыл бұрын
  • Great round up. Thanks guys.

    @simatbirch@simatbirch3 жыл бұрын
  • Super video! Thanks! Learnt a lot. Can you please please talk about wood filler and how to use them. I guess you are pretty good and don’t end up needing but I am unable to match wood filler with wood color. After I stain they show up like a sore thumb. Would love to give it your treatment. Such a joy to watch your channel! Keep it up!

    @asterixgaul7076@asterixgaul70763 жыл бұрын
  • Great video. Thanks for the info guys

    @joshf.5528@joshf.55283 жыл бұрын
  • Appreciate thE video! Question, going back in time, would you prefer a Domino or Mafell DD40?

    @MrJimlc@MrJimlc3 жыл бұрын
  • At the end you guys got to the key question for a hobbyist woodworker. Which is more important *process* or *product* ? Biscuits are fine for panel glue up alignment. Dadoes work really well for a lot of butt joints and can be done on the router table or using a plunge router or table saw. However, right now I need to get my other workshop (nothing to do with wood working) organized. I’m working on the second of at least 4 shelf units. I’ll need drawer units under the workbench too, and probably some cabinets. While I’m working on all of that, the chaos in my basement (woodworking central) is out of control. IOW stuffs needs to be done NOW. Can I do most of it with pocket screws? 🤢 Yes but I really don’t want to. All that said, the cost of the Festool domino is hard to swallow. I could get a router and lift, then make a stand for my old router table top and still spend significantly less. Or I could upgrade to an 8” jointer with helical cutters … Or …. Maybe dowels are the answer.

    @chipsterb4946@chipsterb49468 ай бұрын
  • Festool (a German Company) designed the tool with metric measurements in mind. We here in the United States use the imperial system of measure. This makes furniture building a challenge. I spend a lot of time keeping the two systems of measure straight in my mind. Mistakes still happen. I know people make conversion devices to be used with the Domino cutter but, it would be a lot better to make an imperial version of the tool.

    @bxb590@bxb5902 ай бұрын
  • Holy cow. That was great!!

    @BeauChampion@BeauChampion3 жыл бұрын
  • The annoying thing is the monopoly. Festool having the only domino means that esp in Norway, where only motek can sell festool-tools, the domino costs an arm and a leg.

    @kellendil@kellendil3 жыл бұрын
    • Wonder when the patent will end

      @Duci1989@Duci19893 жыл бұрын
    • @@Duci1989 2024 i think. I belive I read that it was patented in 2004,

      @kellendil@kellendil3 жыл бұрын
    • Festools are an arm and a leg no matter where you get them.

      @cyclemadness@cyclemadness3 жыл бұрын
    • @@cyclemadness true, but if the domino is about 700$ in the us (from what ive heard on YT) its more than twice the price in Norway.

      @kellendil@kellendil3 жыл бұрын
    • @@kellendil Holy Cow!!!

      @cyclemadness@cyclemadness3 жыл бұрын
  • Best part: selfmade biscuits... as illustration on the tablesaw. Like the video. However i had a domino since a couple of years but purchased a lamello about a year ago. Since than a did almost all panel glue-ups with biscuits. Mainly because they do not require precise inplane alignment and are much cheaper compared to dominos...

    @snerve@snerve3 жыл бұрын
  • Chris. In ref to referencing the domino on the chair. Why not use it like any other panel where you use the seat as a panel and lay it down then reference the inner joint? Love love love you guys. I love my domino. Both the large and small. But I do use the 500 about 95% of the time. Congrats on your well earned success gents!!

    @austinmarius850@austinmarius8503 жыл бұрын
  • I use a beadlock system. It’s clumsy, but it works well. Sometime I might buy the domino. If I ever need to crack out work fast, absolutely. But I think if time isn’t a huge factor, people should learn old school tenons and dovetails. An average person won’t notice or care. But woodworker to woodworker, you point out a perfect fitting tenon. That’s throwing the better hand down. I’m envious of classic joinery more so high tech expensive joinery.

    @dbnoho@dbnoho2 жыл бұрын
  • As an hobbiest who just starting out it was a sad discovery to find out the festool domino pattern cause no other faster alternative for joinery. Although I can afford to buy it i am not sure if I will be justified as a newbie. As i researched I found that there are some alternatives to simplify dowel joinery for example using drillpro dowel jig (or wnew 3 in 1 dowel jig or wolfcraft dowel jig) which improves accuracy that needs less time. Hope this gives some alternatives for the readers to think about.

    @jemsworld@jemsworld7 ай бұрын
  • Well done. Thanks.

    @ThePolishChef@ThePolishChef3 жыл бұрын
  • These are really hard to get right now, saw one at my local shop and pulled the trigger. Needless to say, I am NOT regretting my decision.

    @WalterI@WalterI3 жыл бұрын
  • I'm not a powertool guy, I like the process of cutting dovetails and I prefer old school furniture, but I love your videos and the furniture you guys make. Good call

    @KevinOMalleyisonlysmallreally@KevinOMalleyisonlysmallreally3 жыл бұрын
    • Appreciate it, Kevin! I am the same way, just from the opposite side.

      @shaunb66@shaunb663 жыл бұрын
    • @@shaunb66 Isn't it awesome that the craft has space for both of us!

      @KevinOMalleyisonlysmallreally@KevinOMalleyisonlysmallreally3 жыл бұрын
  • When it comes to panel glue ups or even reinforcing a miter , I personally believe a domino or biscuit joiner work equally well , I usually just reach for the biscuit joiner because biscuits are easy and much cheaper than domino's However when it comes to everything else you mention the domino excells based on many reasons but mostly the wide width and lack of depth obtained by biscuits.... Just my 2c

    @billystray7007@billystray70073 жыл бұрын
  • Best video I've seen on the subject so far. Well done.

    @smockytubers1188@smockytubers11882 жыл бұрын
  • Have you seen the lamello zeta p2 system? If so what are your thoughts on how it compares with the festool domino?

    @jimmyz1686@jimmyz16863 жыл бұрын
  • Good video guys. I may have to go this route someday.

    @HowIDoThingsDIY@HowIDoThingsDIY3 жыл бұрын
  • Great video! I am curious how your analysis would be if you factor in the cost of the wood dominos, I hear they are expensive.

    @julianyoule-white7675@julianyoule-white76753 жыл бұрын
  • Can you move the pieces around at all with the festool tenons in place, when clamping up…? The advantage of biscuits in commercial cabinetmaking is you don’t have to be perfect, you can move the pieces not only horizontally 1/8” but like 1/32” vertically when you’re clamping it up. Dowels have to be absolutely perfect, which is what makes them difficult to use.

    @PRH123@PRH12310 күн бұрын
  • Great editing, good job guys

    @olivierbourgeois3230@olivierbourgeois32302 жыл бұрын
  • You guy's need a show, awesome video guy's! Subscribed 👍👍

    @vladv.8819@vladv.88193 жыл бұрын
  • Great timing on this video idea given the lead time on these things right now! I'm sure there are a few 500's sitting in the Suez Canal right about now.

    @mikespringer9933@mikespringer99333 жыл бұрын
    • haha...probably. I hear they finally free'd them

      @Foureyes.Furniture@Foureyes.Furniture3 жыл бұрын
  • I'm a hobbyist who loves his Domino. Thanks for the video. Well done as usual. Totally agree with your opinions. Getting a little bit off subject here, but how do you prefer to apply the glue. Squeeze it into the mortise? Spread it into the mortise with a popsicle stick? Any glue go on the domino itself? One side or both sides of the wood pieces themselves?

    @willbraswell4906@willbraswell4906 Жыл бұрын
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