John Mearsheimer: Is China the Real Winner of Ukraine War? | Endgame
“I think the situation we face today in the world is much more dangerous than it was during the Cold War,” warned realist John J. Mearsheimer in this conversation.
What are the underlying causes of his provoking statement? To what extent the United States should get its hands dirty?
Criticized by Michael McFaul in Endgame 134, realist John Mearsheimer defends his argument on the cause and consequences of the Ukraine War which he concludes as “The Tragedy of Great Power Politics”.
Mr. Mearsheimer, who is an R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago, also shares his view on why the US hates his realism theory, who will benefit from the prolonged Ukraine War, and how the climate crisis might increase the geopolitical tension over the Arctic region.
Hosted by Gita Wirjawan, an Indonesian educator, entrepreneur, and current visiting scholar at the Walter H. Shorenstein Asia-Pacific Research Center (APARC) at Stanford University.
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Chapters
00:00:00 - Background
00:04:28 - Realism
00:09:31 - Great Power Politics
00:18:55 - Irrelevant Region?
00:23:55 - Ukraine Debate
00:31:21 - Geopolitics of Climate Crisis
00:38:00 - Boomerang Against the US
00:43:51 - Nuclear Paradox
00:51:36 - East Asia's Instability
00:58:18 - Incalculable Coefficient of War
01:06:50 - China Matters
作为一个中国人，我尊重约翰·米尔斯海默及其现实主义理论，但我并不认同。 中国不会在军事上制定打败美国的战略，因为美国无法被打败（美国拥有巨量的核武器）。从古至今，所有的帝国都不是被外部敌人打败的，都是由于帝国内部的腐朽崩溃的。中国的策略是继续强大自己，立于不败之地，然后坐等美国犯错然后崩溃。 中国不必掠夺就能富裕强大，而美国必须靠掠夺才能维持霸权，得道多助失道寡助，美国霸权最终会自我毁灭。
很可惜，很多中国人并不认可你的观点。所谓身怀利器，杀心自起。随着中国的强大，我在很多评论里看到中国人恨不得和美国来一场世界大战，争取领导世界的权利，争取掠夺世界的权利。这些中国人也同时认为既然中国强大了，各种利益自然而然应该多分给中国一杯羹。如果美国霸权旁落，中国取而代之，在利益的驱使下，中国肯定会变成另一个美国。
@@chenqin415 不认同你的观点。有刀就要杀人。谁把金钱和精力来造长城来防而不花在把造事者杀光？
@@chenqin415 被欺负不反击激发的民族情绪是一种正常现象，很多热血青年都会有这种反应，他们是正常社会的一部分。中国掌权者是更理性的那一部分人，不必过于担心，反而美国的反华情绪一直在决策层蔓延，这次是危险所在。
@@yingtaoli4966 同意中国领导人很理智。不过也不要过高估计他们的掌控力。如果中国如我希望的一直平稳发展还好，否则一旦出现债务危机还是房地产泡沫，为了转移内部矛盾，事情就难以预测了。
非常认同你的观点. 这正是我想说的.
This is probably the best interview with Prof. Mearsheimer. And a great respect to the host for very thoughtful questions. I am Russian, but I have been listening to Prof. Mearsheimer with great interest for a long time. He is one of the best, if not the best, political theorist.
you should listen to some of his previous interviews .. they seem to keep changing narrative to suit newer current predictions , and curiously pessimistic toward Ukraine , accusatory , misplaced blame for the US When Russia STARTED the war , He is very OVERLY sympathetic toward Putin's Russia ??
Right. A very good analysis of the current situation. Hopefully the politicians on both sides will be more realistic and reasonable.
@@user-uj7eq9vf7e I'm Brazilian and I study Geopolitics. Mearsheimer is one of the most important intellectuals in US today. He and Henry Kissinger have a realistic view of Russia. They dont enemies of Russia like neocons staff of Democratic Party. Both, Mearsheimer and Kissinger defend "balance of power" with Russia. And this is the most important thing to do today, not put NATO alliance on the Russia's borders.
@@sousardanilo We are glad that your President did not vote for sanctions against Russia. Common sense! Well done!
Agree. This and NonZero as well.
In my opinion, it is the best interview of Professor John Mearsheimer available on KZhead.
Oh, what a great interview. The interviewer’s carefully chosen questions and his slaw and calm style in asking, and Mearsheimer’s famous style in answering clearly and very convincing, make the interview look like a master peace for teaching in journalist University.
Thank you for tuning in..
John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs are like the oases in US think tank now, especially in foreign policy toward China and Rusia. Hats off to you pak Gita to present them to talk.
Mearsheimer dan Sachs itu banyak kesalahan tp nggak mau ngaku. Sachs gagal total memberantas kemiskinan di Afrika. Mearsheimer gagal memprediksi perihal perang Ukraina.
@@lifeisneverthesame910 udah AYO PERANG NUKLIR 🇷🇺🇨🇳🆚🇪🇺🇺🇲😏😏😏😏😏🤭🤭🤭🤭😱😱😱😱😱😱🙀🙀🙀🙀😏😏😏
@@wowokgg7280 insensitive and war-mongering statement 😔
@Robert Ong Sachs dengan sombongnya mengklaim kemiskinan itu mudah diatasi termasuk di Afrika. namun dia gagal total.
@Robert Ong Afrika bangkit karena China??????? 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Sharing below written by a Malaysian KZheadr: I’m from Malaysia. China has traded with Malaysia for 2000 years. In those years, they had been the world’s biggest powers many times. Never once they sent troops to take our land. China's admiral Zhenghe came to Malacca five times, in gigantic fleets, and a flagship eight times the size of Christopher Columbus’ flagship, Santa Maria. He could have seized Malacca easily, but he did not. In 1511, the Portuguese came. In 1642, the Dutch came. In the 18th century the British came. We were colonised by each, one after another. When China wanted spices from India, they traded with the Indians. When they wanted gems, they traded with the Persian. They didn’t take lands. The only time China expanded beyond their current borders was in Yuan Dynasty, when Genghis and his descendants Ogedei Khan, Guyuk Khan & Kublai Khan concurred China, Mid Asia and Eastern Europe. But Yuan Dynasty, although being based in China, was a part of the Mongolian Empire. Then came year 1800, the Century of Humiliation. Britain smuggled opium into China to dope the population, a strategy to turn the trade deficit around, after the British could not find enough silver to pay the Qing Dynasty in their tea and porcelain trades and the doping went on for over 30 years. After the opium warehouses were burned down and ports were closed by the Chinese in ordered to curb opium, the British started the Opium War I, which China lost. Hong Kong was forced to be surrendered to the British in a peace talk (Nanjing Treaty). The British owned 90% of the opium market in China, during that time, Queen Victoria was the world’s biggest drug baron. The remaining 10% was owned by American merchants from Boston. Many of Boston’s institutions were built with profit from opium. After 12 years of Nanjing Treaty, the West started getting really really greedy. The British wanted the Qing government: 1. To open the borders of China to allow goods coming in and out freely, and tax free. 2. Make opium legal in China. Insane requests, Qing government said no. The British and French (with supports from the US), started Opium War II with China, which again, China lost. The Anglo-French military raided the Summer Palace, and threatened to burn down the Imperial Palace, the Qing government was forced to pay with ports, free business zones, 300,000 kilograms of silver and Kowloon was taken. Since then, China’s resources flew out freely through these business zones and ports. In the subsequent amendment to the treaties, Chinese people were sold overseas to serve as labor. In 1900, China suffered attacks by the 8-National Alliance. These 8-Robbers were: Empire of Japan, Russian Empire, British Empire (including India), France, USA, Germany, Italy and Austria-Hungary. Innocent Chinese civilians in Peking (Beijing now) were murdered, buildings were destroyed & women were raped. The Imperial Palace was raided, and treasures ended up in museums like the British Museum in London and the Louvre in Paris. In late 1930s China was occupied by the Japanese in WWII. Millions of Chinese died during the occupancy. 300,000 Chinese died in Nanjing Massacre alone. Mao brought China together again from the shambles. There were peace and unity for some time. But Mao’s later reign saw sufferings and deaths from famine and power struggles. Then came Deng Xiao Ping and his infamous “black-cat and white-cat” story. His preference in pragmatism than ideologies transformed China. This thinking allowed China to evolve all the time to adapt to the actual needs in the country, instead of rigidly bounded to ideologies. It also signified the death of Communism in actually practice in China. The current Socialism+Meritocracy+Market Economy model fits the Chinese like gloves, and it propels the uprise of China. Singapore has a similar model, and has been arguably more successful than Hong Kong, because Hong Kong being gateway to China, was riding on the economic boom in China, while Singapore had no one to gain from. In just 30 years, the CPC have moved 800 millions of people out from poverty. The rate of growth is unprecedented in human history. They have built the biggest mobile network, by far the biggest high speed rail network in the world, and they have become a behemoth in infrastructure. They made a fishing village called Shenzhen into the world’s second largest technological centre after the Silicon Valley. They are growing into a technological power house. It has the most elaborate e-commerce and cashless payment system in the world. They have launched exploration to Mars. The Chinese are living a good life and China has become one of the safest countries in the world. The level of patriotism in the country has reached an unprecedented height. For all of the achievements, the West has nothing good to say about it. China suffers from intense anti-China propagandas from the West. Western Media used the keyword “Communist” to instil fear and hatred towards China. Everything China does is negatively reported. They claimed China used slave labor in making iPhones. The truth was, Apple was the most profitable company in the world, it took most of the profit, leave some to Foxconn (a Taiwanese company) and little to the labor. They claimed China was inhuman with one-child policy. At the same time, they accused China of polluting the earth with its huge population. The fact is the Chinese consume just 30% of energy per capita compared to the US. They claimed China underwent ethnic cleansing in Xinjiang. The fact is China has a policy which priorities ethnic minorities. For a long time, the ethnic minorities were allowed to have two children and the majority Han only allowed one. The minorities are allowed a lower score for university intakes. There are 39,000 mosque in China, and 2100 in the US. China has about 3 times more mosque per muslim than the US. When terrorist attacks happened in Xinjiang, China had two choices: 1. Re-educate the Uighur extremists before they turned terrorists. 2. Let them be, after they launch attacks and killed innocent people, bomb their homes. China chose option 1 to solve problem from the root and not to do killing. How the US solve terrorism? Fire missiles from battleships, drop bombs from the sky. During the pandemic, when China took extreme measures to lockdown the people, they were accused of being inhuman. When China recovered swiftly because of the extreme measures, they were accused of lying about the actual numbers. When China’s cases became so low that they could provide medical support to other countries, they were accused of politically motivated. Western Media always have reasons to bash China. Just like any country, there are irresponsible individuals from China which do bad and dirty things, but the China government overall has done very well. But I hear this comment over and over by people from the West: I like Chinese people, but the CPC is evil. What they really want is the Chinese to change the government, because the current one is too good. Fortunately China is not a multi-party democratic country, otherwise the opposition party in China will be supported by notorious NGOs (Non-Government Organization) of the USA, like the NED (National Endowment for Democracy), to topple the ruling party. The US and the British couldn’t crack Mainland China, so they work on Hong Kong. Of all the ex-British colonial countries, only the Hong Kongers were offered BNOs by the British. Because the UK would like the Hong Kongers to think they are British citizens, not Chinese. A divide-and-conquer strategy, which they often used in Color Revolutions around the world. They resort to low dirty tricks like detaining Huawei’s CFO & banning Huawei. They raised a silly trade war which benefits no one. Trade deficit always exist between a developing and a developed country. USA is like a luxury car seller who ask a farmer: why am I always buying your vegetables and you haven’t bought any of my cars? When the Chinese were making socks for the world 30 years ago, the world let it be. But when Chinese started to make high technology products, like Huawei and DJI, it caused red-alert. Because when Western and Japanese products are equal to Chinese in technologies, they could never match the Chinese in prices. First world countries want China to continue in making socks. Instead of stepping up themselves, they want to pull China down. The recent movement by the US against China has a very important background. When Libya, Iran, and China decided to ditch the US dollar in oil trades, Gaddafi’s was killed by the US, Iran was being sanctioned by the US, and now it’s China’s turn. The US has been printing money out of nothing. The only reason why the US Dollar is still widely accepted, is because it’s the only currency which oil is allowed to be traded with. The US has an agreement with Saudi that oil must be traded in US dollar ONLY. Without the petrol-dollar status, the US dollars will sink, and America will fall. Therefore anyone trying to disobey this order will be eliminated. China will soon use a gold-backed crypto-currency, the alarms in the White House go off like mad. China’s achievement has been by hard work. Not by looting the world. I have deep sympathy for China for all the suffering, but now I feel happy for them.
are you chinese malaysian? china didn't need to do that since they send the chines there to control your businesses!
How do you explain away China's unprovoked cruel invasion of Tibet?
@@leighdoeg4970 These are chinese from Malaysia whose job is to defend china! China is a brutal regime. Look at them how they have put chinese MUslims in "re-education" prisons! That is now!!!
China is one of the most aggressive countries on the planet. If you look at Chinese history, it is CONSTANT warfare with its neighbors -- or constant threats against their rulers. China absolutely does engage in Ethnic Cleansing and Genocide in multiple areas of China. And this is not the first time. China has a long history of replacing locals with Han people. China is not the "China" you talk about in history -- current "China" is actually just the Communist Political Party. Actual China is located in Taiwan, which got forced there by Communists. Communist Party mostly killed its own people -- but US & Western policy to invite China into the WTO and funded China for 30 years. The West brought Chinese people out of poverty -- not the Communist Party. The Communist Party actually made life much more difficult for Chinese people, by Communist control, instead of freedom, and now creating a Dictator called Emperor Xi. Even now we see how badly Jack Ma was treated by Emperor Xi. We see how Emperor Xi abuses his political rivals like former Presidents. We see Emperor Xi wants to invade Taiwan -- which never, ever in the history of China was ever part of the Communist Party or part of any Communist held land. Read that again: Taiwan NEVER existed as part of any Communist country. So how did Emperor Xi decide that Taiwan belonged to him? Taiwan is a separate country from Chinese CCP Aggressors. Emperor Xi has no problem with genocide of Muslims, is contributing to war in Ukraine, wants to invade his neighbor Taiwan, and continues to occupy territories that dont belong to China, like Tibet. China is less democratic than North Korea. Its really sad that North Korea has more choice than Chinese CCP. Meanwhile, Chinese Communist Party is who created North Korea, one of the most disgusting abusive countries in the world. Chinese Communist Party ruined North Korea and it will ruin every country it touches. The United States created South Korea. We can see the simple truth when comparing South Korea vs. North Korea. Who do you trust more? US or Communist Party Dictatorship to rule the world? Do you want Taiwan & the World to be like North Korea???? Emperor Xi is a virus. He should not be allowed to spread.
@@leighdoeg4970 geez Please look up the images of Tibetan serfs, PLA‘s march into Tibet is definitely liberation. The Dalai Lama is a disgusting pedo. If this is considered a cruel invasion, what is the US doing in Iraq, Syria, Grenada, Afghanistan, etc.?
Very good talk and patient interviewer - appreciate it.
What a fantastic interview!!!, compliments from Sweden
Thank you interviewer for never cutting and interrupting. Prof. Mearsheimer.
Never in my life I would imagine a free accessible talks from John Mearsheimer. Terima kasih banyak Pak Gita..
banyak kok di KZhead. Beliau suka diundang disuatu acara, dan seminarnya diupload.
He is an angl0 regimes propagandist. He is one of the biggest liar. Big mouthed old man
Banyaaaakkk di yutub
Great power politics begin when it's citizen enjoy the high paying job. And able to make alliance country work based on this production. Military 🪖 cost money and tax, or cause of war, it is not Great power. Great power help to connect institute around the world.
Amerika keliatan sangar cuman waktu ngancurin iraq padahal iraq hanya petani, anak-anak,dan ibu-ibu. Sekarang dapet musuh yang sesungguhnya, yaitu: RUSSIA+CHINA💪🦸😁
I'm not convinced that only the powerful survive. What about those who successfully cooperate well? What about the powerful empires that have fallen throughout history?
Those make alliances with the powerful to survive. You think the weaker EU nations survived history without alliances?
❤ great teacher lucky to have such a knowledge person .every time i listen gives me more clarity and learn more real political world Thank you sir ❤
But limited About history he disregards that usa had to trade with china to keep it away from russia and nobody could foresee chinese economy oktoubling in 2000s About current affairs he disregards atleast chinese investment and influence rise in latin america and brasils rise as regional hegemon not fond of usa Well nobody is perfect😊
Kita diberi kuliah umum gratis materi tentang realisme. Sangat menarik dimana narasumber dan host saling diskusi dengan penguasaan materi yg rumit. Terima kasih pak gita. Podcast pak gita jadi chanel yg paling saya sukai.
Bener kata kakek John ini lebih waras daripada kakek tua Joe Abidin 🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭 mending kakek Jhon ini aja jadi plecident 🇺🇲 aja 🥱🥱🥱🥱🙊🙊🗿👍👍👍
Joe abidin siapanya Joe Hart kk?
jadi gini rasanya kuliah
Amerika keliatan sangar cuman waktu ngancurin iraq padahal iraq hanya petani, anak-anak,dan ibu-ibu. Sekarang dapet musuh yang sesungguhnya, yaitu: RUSSIA+CHINA💪🦸😁
pantes aje loe GUOBLOG
Tidak ada channel youtube di Indonesia yang kualitas narasumber dan kualitas diskusinya berkelas seperti Pak Gita, yang selalu bisa mengeksplor pemikiran narasumber dengan baik. di sini kita bisa melihat bahwa sebagus apapun narasumber, kalau host nya tidak bisa mengimbangi dengan leading pertanyaan yang bernas juga, maka hasil diskusi tidak akan berkualitas. pak gita tahu kapan mendengarkan, kapan menanggapi dengan menchallenge dst. 1 jam lebih tidak terasa dan kayak masih kurang.
Very informative ...terimakasih Pak Gita Wiryawan
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Thanks a lot to both!!!
Merci mille fois pour cet entretien -- On respire, finalement. --- Aux Etats-Unis, jamais je n´oserai partager cette vidéo avec mes collègues : je serai virée. -------En France, Colonie timide .....colonie plus timide des Etats Unis que l´Allemagne .... non plus.... Pourtant, je respire ..... le naturel de M Mearsheimer, Ah le bonheur ... Merci !
Salah satu pakar paling dihormati dalam bidangnya, tapi juga paling sedikit didengarkan oleh para politisi. Demi mengejar keuntungan taktis dan jangka pendek, mereka harus kehilangan keuntungan strategis dlm jangka panjang. Dan itu jadi salah satu penyebab kemunduran AS: politisinya tidak mendengarkan ilmuwan, kalau mendengar adalah pada ilmuwan yg melayani kepentingan jangka pendek mereka. Terimakasih Pak John dan Pak Gita!
AS itu punya banyak pakar yg hebat2 tapi gak dipakai klo udah berseberangan dg prinsip neo-con mrka.
AS adalah negara kapitalis yg memuja uang dan ekonomi, Tuhan mereka adalah Dollar, tujuan mereka adalah merubah seluruh negara mjd kacung mereka dan China menentang itu, krn china lah satu2 nya negara dg kekuatan ekonomi terkuat saat ini, maka mari kita lihat sampai dimana akhir cerita dari pertempuran dua ekonomi raksasa dunia berakhir?,,,
@@harukrentz435 Kalau dilihat dr sudut pandang mesrshimer, neo-con dan kategori ideologis lainnya adalah retorika dari kepentingan nasionalnya. Hanya, baik yg konservatif dan liberal sudah sama2 kehilangan perspektif strategis (25-50 thn ke depan), politisi lbh cenderung taktis (5-10 thn ke depan) sesuai masa jabatan mereka.
@@slametandik6084 Itu salah satu nature dari kekuasaan secara umum, mulai tingkat desa hingga negara. Kalau Indonesia kaya, teknologi maju, militer kuat, sangat mungkin kita cenderung dominan di kawasan. Perbedaannya lbh pada gaya kepemimpinan karena kultur politik setiap negara berbeda.
Amerika melakukan banyak kebodohan dan blunder dlm perang ukraina rusia.... dgn gampangnya menyita aset negara lain.. obral embargo ekonomi... putus hubungan perdagangan sepihak... menggunakan dollar sebagai senjata penekan.... 😆😆 prinsip dasar dari dagang itu adalah saling percaya.. gimana misal gua mau dagang ama ente kalo misal ente mitra dagang yg gak bisa dipercaya.. bisa sewaktu2 wanprestasi dgn alasan sepihak 😆
I never understood why Japan attacked the US until listening to Prof. every time I listen to him, I learn something great.
McCollum memo
Not only did Japan attack the United States in the past, but in the future when the United States is weak, Japan is also likely to attack the United States. Japan's ultimate pursuit must be complete independence. No country really likes to be stationed by other countries, and Europe is the same. , When the United States is using them, they are also thinking about how to use the United States, if it weakens the strength of the United States.
Really? It was well understood that the blockade of oil initiated the start of hostilities.
@@andrewgibson6495Maybe, but not well taught. I never learned this in either high school or college or university general education courses on American history. I always assumed it was because Japan was a German ally. It took listening to voices outside of the mainstream media and educational establishment to learn that Japan’s attack was provoked by American attempts to strangle the Japanese economy. The American system is heavily invested in propaganda where we are the good guys and all of our enemies are bad guys who have no legitimate interests.
@@user-ut2bj1vc3o only an arrogant government would think any self-respecting nation would like to be stationed by other nation's military... is a crazy concept
Professor Mearsheimer is so intelligent thinker with High moral & ethics. No wonder University of Chicago is where smart people go, the best in the world.
High moral and ethics...I doubt that very much! But he is an American patriotic person who has no qualm about US domination of this world!
WOW... as an International Relations student... I am amazed with this podcast session. I mean. I've been following you on Instagram and KZhead as well for more than 5 years and this is the most appealing talk I ever watch. Watching both of you makes me tremendously happy, because I can see and comprehend ideas and views from this Outstanding Scholar. Dankjewel Pak Gita.
Mearsheimer is basically saying this: don't waste time fighting Russia. Fight China because China will be a bad hegemon. American hegemon is better. In reality, China will not be a hegemon even if it wants to. Because it will be a multipolar world, crowded with US, EU, and Japan together and new ones appearing like India, Brazil and Indonesia. Moreover, China wants to do investments and trade. Ot does not interfere with internal affairs of others. In trade and investments, everyone wins. US is all about power and control. It's not interested in developing other countries. It has 800 bases all over the world to coerce others, to assassinate, kidnap, sanction and invade on endless wars. It wants to protect USD as the world reserve currency in order to keep printing free USD for huge military expenditure. Mearsheimer is just a wily fox twisting logic for a war with China. He is a dangerous war monger who wants to force nations choose: you are either with us or against us.
Yes, I agree. This clarifies some major points, and brings a specific clarity that pulls Mearshimer's major theses together.
As an Internatoinal Relations student, this is the worst channel you could follow.
Jeffrey Sachs makes more sense. He advocates diplomacy and not war. Mearsheimer uses realism as a cover for US to dominate.
@@edblarney9456 Praat als een kip zonder kop. Zo naunau...
I´m from Germany and the medial perception and evaluation of such phenomena is of outrageous asymmetry. It is unbearable. Impressive talk, it's nice that there is still reason to be found in the exuberant propaganda. Great thanks to Prof Mearsheimer to give realism a hearing in this madness.
Except he is wrong about almost everything. Certainly he is an apologist for the Russians, but the world has moved on from such cold-war thinking, as you should know by the amount of support that is being given to Ukraine. Which, by the way, is protecting your way of life.
@@andrewgibson6495 Ah, finally after reading dozens of your facile "he's wrong about everything" comments we finally learn: you just don't want to get rid of your precious "goodies and baddies" story. There is nothing about any amount of support given to either of the warring parties which disprove his thesis. Countries aligned with the US give tribute for the proxy, while the BRICS and non-aligned do not, just as you would expect if the Prof was right, which he patently is.
@@andrewgibson6495This podcast is 1 hour and 12 minutes long, and you simply just said "Except he is wrong about almost everything. Certainly he's an apologist for the Russians" for seconds. I've just come to realisation that people like you, are having difficulty to understand long arguments with their strong premises. Your attention span is short and narrow minded. You cannot simply support your arguments with strong reasons except jumping into conclusion like complete trolls I found commonly online. It is called as "Realism view". As he has already mentioned at 7:29 that his arguments of realism is one that drives most people in the West crazy, and you are just showing us that you're getting crazy by his argument)) Look at you now! His point is proven.
as an european, im saddened you think that way.. @@andrewgibson6495
@@retrocool You probably didn't mean to demean the tribute system that China had in before the rise of Europe. It was far more humane and beneficial to the recipients (esp. Korea and Japan). Just refer to Prof David Kang's lecture on it.
wawancara anda sungguh berkelas semua... terima kasih sudah share percakapan yang cerdas dan mencerahkan...
54:23 Professor discussed only one strategy of China potentially taking over Taiwan by force. It doesn't really matter whether China is ready to do the amphibious assault or not, because this is the least desirable strategy and therefore least likely to happen. As Sun Tzu said, there should be multiple strategies to achieve the same goal. Amphibious assault is the least favorable as it's the least cost effective. The most cost effective strategy would be a blockade, which was successfully applied during the Cuban Missile Crisis as well as the battle for Beijing during the Chinese civil war. Taiwan doesn't have sufficient energy production or stockpile to last more than a few weeks under a marine blockade combined with missile strike of air defense facilities, the result of which would be more likely a negotiation rather than all out warfare. So boots on the ground is not really necessary. Of course, there's the risk of navy warfare against the US if the latter attempts to break the blockade. Still it is more desirable politically than fighting the Taiwanese on Taiwan soil.
US participation would just escalate into general nuclear exchange. US won't be willing to die for Taiwan.
我们有14亿人，随时可以全民皆兵消灭美国
Mr Mersheimer is advocating confrontation with China for no reason, its just fear mongering which the neocons deploy to justify absurd defense spending. China --- unlike the US --- has never overthrown or destabilized countries nor pursued global hegemony by any means.
This is really a video of extraordinary quality and loaded with knowledge! Thank you Mr. Gita Wirjawan for inviting The great Professor John Mearsheimer to provide his knowledge and views so that it becomes a very valuable lesson for all of us!
@W K Did i ever say that i need this video to know about the atrocities that The US and The West or even Russia and China have been doing all these years?
@W K I was just thanking Mr. Gita Wirjawan for inviting The Great Professor John Mearsheimer, Did you even read my comments and try to understand it before typing all that out lol?
liar and charlatan from the science whose predicaments all went nuts))) Ukraine is winning, russia sucks and this mad man seems that nothing alike happened)))
Look at WW2 maps of Ukraine !
I’m from Singapore, Prof Mearsheimer is spot on in his assessment of the Geo-political and strategic views of the Ukraine conflict, China-US tensions, Europe, etc. This is a great conversation.
JM said “under the umbrella of US security” when talking about why the East European countries joining NATO. I once heard an interesting analogy made by the royals in Saudi Arabia when talking about the security provided by the US. He said that a shepherd brought a dog to protect his herd from a hyena that ate one of his goats every week at night but the dog had to be fed with meat of one goat a day. This explains perfectly the kind of security provided by the US. In Africa it’s a different ball game the US security train soldiers who then overthrow the governments.
You Neil it, very good point! American never ever care about anyone except themselves, they only use you as a tool and provids everything with conditions that benefit them the most on cost of you.
Yeah but he is constantly downplaying the sovereignty of countries like Poland, Latvia etc who wanted out of their own volition to join NATO. He is COMPLETELY oblivious to this simple fact.
Wow, thank you for this great interview! I learned so much! I wish the politicians in the US would have listened to Mr. Mearsheimer.
what a great interview!🔥
Professor John changed the concept of "hegemony" quietly. What China pursues is Economic success and Technological and Scientific innovation. He confused the idea of Economics and technology development with the establishment of “Hegemony”. By the way, the best for survival is not hegemony but economic and technological success.
I agree with Xu. Professor John makes his view out of America arrogant manner. Chinese are very civilized to go to top out of hardworking and fairness from confusious teachings but not killing others to reach to the top. American killed kill and are killing other to try to reach the top because of barbaric and arrogant manner. That is different between great Chinese and barbaric Americans. Scary ghost.
See economic success and technological advancements predisposes to hegemony . What china pursues is ' means ' which predisposes to hegemony . Whether it has the intentions to be a hegemon is unnecessary - whether it has the capacity of being one is important .
@@plendafuture7451 the bigger question is how the USA became a hegemon and what it's currently doing around the world to maintain it's hegemony, compared to the peaceful rise of China. If future intentions were so reliable, why do Doctors need a track record of academic, clinical and moral excellence to qualify to become a Dr. Why can't just anyone be Doctors? Because everyone looks at their past to determine their future. If you studied China's history, China was the one who was colonised, raped, pillaged and plundered, not the other way round even if it could've during its Ming/Tang dynasty rule. The same can't be said about European Americans who essentially pillaged and massacred their way into the lands of the Native Americans and not to mention the USA is the only country to have used nuclear bombs and has over 800 military bases worldwide, so it can't claim any moral high ground whatsoever!
BS
Agreed, John is an expert in GEO_POLY but not much in Economic and IT. China is a sleeping Dragon that is quietly collecting power of trade and IT. When she wake up. the US will turn to ashes.
Mantap Pak Bagus Banget , Kalau Boleh Wawancara Colonel Douglas MacGregor dan Scott Ritter , Bisa memberikan Insight bagus Kalau boleh request lagi bisa Prof Kishore Mahbubani sama Prof Michael Hudson
This interview was fantastic, kudos to both gentleman. Listened to the following video recently on this platform --- John J Mearsheimer On behalf of Julian Assange -- I found Professor Mearsheimer's plea for Mr. Assange to be intelligent and compelling. This man is a gem to humanity in so many ways.
Terima kasih pak Gita Wiryawan , I really enjoyed your conversation with Dr. John Mearsheimer as a fellow Brooklynite and especially the Brooklyn accent that I missed . Menunggu program berikutnya pak 🙏🙏🙏
A rare quality content by Indonesian podcaster. Thank you Gita and John
Thursday 23-05-2023, I am sorry if my reply to your comments dose not coraspond, correspond I am only proved providing thee such with all others at this time that have commented in which thee have with thinging, thinking ye as I hope have some of the same interests as I do which are I think are the interests of all our people & hope the Earth. To support or find way they can in hope of ihai, that with not being able to contribue, contribute a comment comment, comment to the program as yours has done thanks! Jared S. Woodford 25-05-2023 Wednesday 24=05-2023 Those of the West leaders & those that knew of it supporting them having done wrongs again & as coming to their climax to succeed as sadly the lacking and costly way they had to more peoples & any other way from the way they did it having made so clear they had in the wrong, That Russia at last responded to those of the West making War on them as part of doing what they are of, and can be an opportunity if we bring their defeat. With the leader that has lead the defense from the West. I know could lead the world to becoming of a better way than the most successful nations of all being of the West’s way till following their way we destroy the world of our creation until we can destroy Earth no more & going by the pace we are doing ourselves. Jared S. Woodford 25-05-2023
Look at WW2 maps of Ukraine.
As someone said, no one looks happier talking about disaster than John Mearsheimer.
while at the same time sounding like he belongs in The Princess Bride
you actually made my day even though he's propagading my country as a majour US threat
Chalmers Johnson used to giggle when he talked about impending doom
A lifetime's worth of "I told you so" coming due all at once, I guess.
I wonder if he really believes what he says, or is just too lazy to examine his failed reasoning. Th Russians love him though.
Professor was right again about the counteroffensive. Deep respect!
You followed your passion - terrific.!
Proud to have Prof Mearsheimer interviewed with one most respect of Indonesian delegator.
Sayangnya US ahli perang narasi. Mereka punya banyak analisis2 militer bayaran yg tugasnya membuat tindakan US terlihat benar. Sama waktu perang Irak
Betul sekali...
ga ada bedanya sih sm Russia dan China🤷♂ liat aja buzzer cina sm rusia bergerombol di kolom komentar soal politik US-China atau perang Russia-Ukraine, belom lagi media massa negara mereka sendiri yg punya cabang internasional
@@alvinite9164 mereka mencontek apa yg dilakukan US dari sejak perang Irak. Perang Rusia-Ukraina tinggal analisis negara mana yg paling diuntungkan, sudah pasti US negara paling banyak dpt keuntungan. Dari awal perang, US menikmati keuntungan kenaikan harga minyak dan gas krn Uni Eropa pun terpaksa beralih sebagian beli minyak dan gas ke US, order senjata meningkat tajam ke industri militer senjata US, politisi US mendapat duit banyak dari kepemilikan saham industri militer dan minyak. Rusia dan China tentu jg dpt keuntungan tapi paling banyak adalah US. Setiap konflik sudah dipikirkan agar US dpt profit banyak. Lagian media Rusia juga banyak yg dilarang jd tetap media US paling mendominasi jd udah paling gampang sebar narasi, google, facebook, instagram dll tetaplah US menang banyak sebar narasi. Coba didengar lagi videonya
@@alvinite9164 beda dong US jauh lebih joss ...us pernah ngebom jepang pernah habisin iraq .. china dan russia gak ada apa2nya cuma gitu2 aja
Mendengar dr pembicaraan ini,terlihat jelas bahwa asurikalah biang keroknya..
This amazing interview left me speechless. Im currently on the 5th semester as an iR student. Im quite struggling to understand and catch up with whats going on in International system. This video gives me more hopes, i regain my confidence to involve in every discussion in class now (at least i dont feel left behind anymore) bc i have fed my brain with such an amazing analysis. Thank you so much, bangga banget. Semoga ada kesempatan untuk undang Barry Buzan ya Pak Gita
History.... is your best friend
As a 30-year-old Chinese individual who is not majoring in International Relations, and with English as my third language, I'm quite surprised that you have never judged the channel for using "China is the winner of the war" as an eye-catcher. To me, using this kind of irresponsible headline already makes me question how unbiased the discussion is. Furthermore, we all know that NATO constantly broke its agreements after the Cold War and expanded eastward, which triggered the war. I simply don't appreciate shifting the responsibility for modern warfare to China, whether the statement is true or not.
You can always find experts that talk about ongoing international conflicts. Like for example Brian Berletic or the Duran channel tell a lot of interesting realtities of Russian-Ukrainian conflict and other conflicts in the world
As a Chinese I really don't understand why the US wants to help China become stronger, is the US stupid, creating rivals for itself, I don't understand it.
Hello everyone! I am a worker with a Chinese "peasant identity" (under Chinese identity politics and household registration system, farmers are considered the lowest end of the population). After Professor Qin Hui's ideological enlightenment and awakening, I very agree with Professor Qin Hui's point of view: in the current context of globalization, the constitutional democratic system is being challenged by the autocratic Chinese model (that is, bad money drives out good money). Democratic countries around the world must deeply understand and understand the fact that since the CCP came into power in 1949, hundreds of millions of Chinese farmers have worked hard to pay public food, agricultural taxes The construction of water conservancy projects for free provided the CCP with the original financial accumulation at the beginning of the founding of the People's Republic of China. Under the family planning policy, Chinese farmers were forced to have abortions, ligation and ring fencing, and payment of fines for excess births. Farmers were restricted by the household registration system in rural areas and could not move freely, leading a serf like life. During the three-year period from 1959 to 1961, there were no natural disasters at all. It was entirely due to Mao Zedong's policies such as the "Great Leap Forward" and "Great Steel Refining" that local officials, in response to Mao Zedong's policies, falsely reported ultra-high grain yields and plundered the surplus food of farmers, which resulted in the tragic starvation of 40 million people in human history. The vast majority of these were farmers, At that time, not a single Communist official starved to death. After China's reform and opening up in 1980, the first generation of farmers went to cities to work as construction workers, sanitation workers, cleaners, and miners Waiting for the most tiring and dirty jobs, China joined the WTO in the early 21st century under the background of economic globalization. For example, the second generation of farmers entered red sweatshops as workers, manufacturing cheap goods for the world. Due to the lack of independent trade unions to fight for their legal rights, they could not enjoy social welfare benefits such as work-related injuries, unemployment, medical care, elderly care, housing, and children's education in urban areas, Their children were forced to return to rural areas for education due to their household registration as "farmers" and the "school district housing" system, resulting in the world's largest tragic situation of left behind children and elderly people living alone in rural areas in China. Nowadays, the first generation of farmers have become old and lose their ability to work. They are ruthlessly driven back to the countryside and struggle to make ends meet with a monthly pension of over 100 yuan. The minimum standard for urban household registration is over 2000 yuan per month, which is more than 20 times that of rural household registration. Communist Party officials enjoy privileges and benefits, and the annual medical and health expenses are as high as several million yuan. National level officials spend one billion yuan on tourism in a year. Due to the enormous sacrifices and contributions of these two generations of Chinese farmers, China has become the world's second-largest economy. However, the Chinese farmer group has received exploitation and negative welfare treatment time and time again in the process of national wealth distribution and redistribution, while civil servants and high-ranking officials within the Communist Party system enjoy privileges and high welfare treatment. The Communist Party government utilizes the advantage of low human rights and cheap labor to attract a large amount of international financial capital investment, making China the largest red sweatshop in the world. The reason why cheap goods made in China are popular worldwide is due to the "low human rights" and "negative welfare" of the Chinese "farmer identity" worker group. Even if they work overtime for extended periods of time every day, they barely survive with a meager income. To change the Communist Party government's use of the "low human rights" and "negative welfare" system of China's vast vulnerable group of farmers in unfair competition in the globalized trade market, democratic countries around the world have the responsibility to supervise and pressure the Chinese government to demand an increase in the human rights and social welfare protection of hundreds of millions of Chinese farmers and disadvantaged groups, in order to solve the problem of trade fairness under economic globalization. The trade sanctions imposed by the United States and anti-dumping measures by the European Union cannot solve the problem of trade deficits. If democratic countries believe that the human rights and welfare protection of hundreds of millions of Chinese farmers and vulnerable groups are not related to you, it will gradually lead to a decrease in the standards of wages and welfare protection for labor in democratic countries (such as left-wing political parties in the United States proposing policies to reduce social welfare protection), because although labor in various countries cannot move freely, But capital is profit driven and can flow freely. Which capitalist doesn't like a labor market like China without strong trade unions. If the human rights and welfare standards of Chinese "farmer identity" workers cannot be gradually raised to align with those of democratic countries, then the human rights and welfare standards of democratic countries' workers can only be gradually lowered to align with those of Chinese "farmer identity" workers (this can be seen from the documentary "American Factory"). Democratic countries around the world cannot turn a blind eye to the history of labor tears behind China's "peasant identity" after enjoying nearly 40 years of cheap goods and economic benefits made in China. Please stop having illusions about the CCP and implementing appeasement policies. While paying attention to the human rights of Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong and people in exile, it is more important to pay attention to the human rights situation of all Chinese people, Only by constantly putting pressure on the CCP to improve the human rights of all Chinese people and the welfare protection of vulnerable groups, cultivate the rights awareness of Chinese citizens and taxpayers, help China establish free and independent trade unions, learn from the welfare accountability of Polish Solidarity Trade Union, force financial openness and budget transparency, will China gradually embark on the path of constitutional democracy. A free and democratic China is indispensable for the stability and peace of the world, and it is also a responsibility that democratic countries around the world cannot evade, because we are all citizens of the Earth. I hope that people with conscience around the world can work together to make constitutional democracy overcome dictatorship, let good currency overcome bad currency, and make this world more civilized.
It's no surprise that after carefully listening to Prof. John Mearshimer I can better understand the dinamic shaping the world today. Thank you Mr. John Mearshimer for making your valuable opinion and analysis. God bless you sir! God have mercy 🙏
One of few Americans that makes sense love and admire Prof, keep telling us what is right
Gita Wiryawan is one of the world class quality persons from Indonesia.
Professor Mearsheimer is the most intelligent and insightful geopolitical expert I have ever come across.
He advocated for US to contain China, to suppress the rise of the Chinese, that is evil and unethical!!!
What a monumental and iconic interview! Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
he was spot on about the offensive looking back. this guy is the real deal. knows his stuff and really easy to listen to. love his non bias realism. if only everyone looked at thing this way
His “realistic” approach infinitely increase the probably of nuclear conflict. Just imaging if someone send troops to Costa Rica. He suggests send troops to Taiwan directly involve in a Chinese civil war, with a dictatorial nuclear power nation who possesses the power of mutual destruction. Yet, claiming it promotes US safety… nothing is safe in a global nuclear conflict. If you don’t see the irony then…😅😅😅
Indonesia sendiri pun pernah mempraktekkan apa yang pernah dilakukan jepang, yaitu ketika merebut papua dari Belanda. Terpaksa menggunakan strategi militer (operasi Trikora) walaupun peluang berhasilnya kecil dan faktanya secara militer gagal, Namun secara politik menang. Belanda menyerahkan papua ke pbb, pbb menyerahkan kerakyat papua sendiri lalu dibuatlah PEPERA. Hasilnya: papua masuk Indonesia
So far ini podcast ttg geopolitik yg terbaik. Nara sumbernya sangat resourceful. Bahasa Inggrisnya jelas & to the point. Sy sampai merekomendasikan materi ini ke teman2 asing krn cukup sulit ketemu podcast berkualitas spt ini.
Sebenarnya kalau suka lihat channel2 luar, beliau sudah sangat banyak bicara. Satu lagi kalau mau diikuti: Prof. Kishonre Mahbubani dari Singapura. Analisis2 beliau juga sangat tajam melihat geopolitik dunia saat ini.
@@onisuryaman408 Thank you for the update
This guy speaks much and says Little beyond criticizing this great country of ours. The Chinese are about to hit an economic wall. Say evergrande say country garden say bond default.. mearshiemer is a dull boy for a more concise and accurate assessment on geopolitical realities and demographics Google Peter zeihan a deep thinker Mearshiemer should take economics 101 hope he can get a good grade
Look at WW2 maps of Ukraine !
He is one of the top professor I view to feed my geopolitical cravings. It's so much great to hear him explain the dynamics of today's world. You can surely take his word as the most closest prediction of unprecedented scenarios.
Hello everyone! I am a worker with a Chinese "peasant identity" (under Chinese identity politics and household registration system, farmers are considered the lowest end of the population). After Professor Qin Hui's ideological enlightenment and awakening, I very agree with Professor Qin Hui's point of view: in the current context of globalization, the constitutional democratic system is being challenged by the autocratic Chinese model (that is, bad money drives out good money). Democratic countries around the world must deeply understand and understand the fact that since the CCP came into power in 1949, hundreds of millions of Chinese farmers have worked hard to pay public food, agricultural taxes The construction of water conservancy projects for free provided the CCP with the original financial accumulation at the beginning of the founding of the People's Republic of China. Under the family planning policy, Chinese farmers were forced to have abortions, ligation and ring fencing, and payment of fines for excess births. Farmers were restricted by the household registration system in rural areas and could not move freely, leading a serf like life. During the three-year period from 1959 to 1961, there were no natural disasters at all. It was entirely due to Mao Zedong's policies such as the "Great Leap Forward" and "Great Steel Refining" that local officials, in response to Mao Zedong's policies, falsely reported ultra-high grain yields and plundered the surplus food of farmers, which resulted in the tragic starvation of 40 million people in human history. The vast majority of these were farmers, At that time, not a single Communist official starved to death. After China's reform and opening up in 1980, the first generation of farmers went to cities to work as construction workers, sanitation workers, cleaners, and miners Waiting for the most tiring and dirty jobs, China joined the WTO in the early 21st century under the background of economic globalization. For example, the second generation of farmers entered red sweatshops as workers, manufacturing cheap goods for the world. Due to the lack of independent trade unions to fight for their legal rights, they could not enjoy social welfare benefits such as work-related injuries, unemployment, medical care, elderly care, housing, and children's education in urban areas, Their children were forced to return to rural areas for education due to their household registration as "farmers" and the "school district housing" system, resulting in the world's largest tragic situation of left behind children and elderly people living alone in rural areas in China. Nowadays, the first generation of farmers have become old and lose their ability to work. They are ruthlessly driven back to the countryside and struggle to make ends meet with a monthly pension of over 100 yuan. The minimum standard for urban household registration is over 2000 yuan per month, which is more than 20 times that of rural household registration. Communist Party officials enjoy privileges and benefits, and the annual medical and health expenses are as high as several million yuan. National level officials spend one billion yuan on tourism in a year. Due to the enormous sacrifices and contributions of these two generations of Chinese farmers, China has become the world's second-largest economy. However, the Chinese farmer group has received exploitation and negative welfare treatment time and time again in the process of national wealth distribution and redistribution, while civil servants and high-ranking officials within the Communist Party system enjoy privileges and high welfare treatment. The Communist Party government utilizes the advantage of low human rights and cheap labor to attract a large amount of international financial capital investment, making China the largest red sweatshop in the world. The reason why cheap goods made in China are popular worldwide is due to the "low human rights" and "negative welfare" of the Chinese "farmer identity" worker group. Even if they work overtime for extended periods of time every day, they barely survive with a meager income. To change the Communist Party government's use of the "low human rights" and "negative welfare" system of China's vast vulnerable group of farmers in unfair competition in the globalized trade market, democratic countries around the world have the responsibility to supervise and pressure the Chinese government to demand an increase in the human rights and social welfare protection of hundreds of millions of Chinese farmers and disadvantaged groups, in order to solve the problem of trade fairness under economic globalization. The trade sanctions imposed by the United States and anti-dumping measures by the European Union cannot solve the problem of trade deficits. If democratic countries believe that the human rights and welfare protection of hundreds of millions of Chinese farmers and vulnerable groups are not related to you, it will gradually lead to a decrease in the standards of wages and welfare protection for labor in democratic countries (such as left-wing political parties in the United States proposing policies to reduce social welfare protection), because although labor in various countries cannot move freely, But capital is profit driven and can flow freely. Which capitalist doesn't like a labor market like China without strong trade unions. If the human rights and welfare standards of Chinese "farmer identity" workers cannot be gradually raised to align with those of democratic countries, then the human rights and welfare standards of democratic countries' workers can only be gradually lowered to align with those of Chinese "farmer identity" workers (this can be seen from the documentary "American Factory"). Democratic countries around the world cannot turn a blind eye to the history of labor tears behind China's "peasant identity" after enjoying nearly 40 years of cheap goods and economic benefits made in China. Please stop having illusions about the CCP and implementing appeasement policies. While paying attention to the human rights of Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong and people in exile, it is more important to pay attention to the human rights situation of all Chinese people, Only by constantly putting pressure on the CCP to improve the human rights of all Chinese people and the welfare protection of vulnerable groups, cultivate the rights awareness of Chinese citizens and taxpayers, help China establish free and independent trade unions, learn from the welfare accountability of Polish Solidarity Trade Union, force financial openness and budget transparency, will China gradually embark on the path of constitutional democracy. A free and democratic China is indispensable for the stability and peace of the world, and it is also a responsibility that democratic countries around the world cannot evade, because we are all citizens of the Earth. I hope that people with conscience around the world can work together to make constitutional democracy overcome dictatorship, let good currency overcome bad currency, and make this world more civilized.
Thank you Gita and Professor Mearsheimer always a fantastic dialogue and understanding the situation
Brilliant! He really cuts the clutter & lays out clearly the rules of geopolitics underlying the US foreign policy.
😂ANY COUNTRY NOT INVOLVE IN WAR IS A WINNER! DUHHH
Indeed. China has really lucked out with America spending multiple decades fighting Muslims in the Middle East (West Asia) and now pivoting to the next decade fighting Russians in Eastern Europe.
Mear dances around the point he makes to wit Putin ass must be kissed
Why Japan attack? Ask Harry Dexter White - Soviet agent and pal of FDR.
Pearl Harbour was one of the first false flags by the USA, to bomb Japan. It was a precursor of 9/11, where the US would attack itself, since no one else will Don't expect true history from juice
A very enlightening discussion with top-notch guest speaker. Thank you Pak Gita for bringing us the "Luminaries" series, they are great!
Having immersed myself in "The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy" by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt, I am now tuning into this podcast. It's fascinating to observe that even Realism is compelled to confront the moral dimensions at play.
Yes, minister, the moral dimension, a suggestion
Thank you Sir
Terima kasih Pak Gita Wiryawan sudah membawa Prof. Mearsheimer ke publik Indonesia. Pemikiran beliau sangat penting bagi konstelasi geopolitik dunia ke depan, dan saya sangat berharap para politisi Indonesia bisa memahami posisi ini mengingat sekarang dunia sedang berada pada persimpangan jalan yang sangat krusial. Bagaimana Indonesia mengambil posisi akan sangat menentukan Indonesia ke depan. Dan kita tidak bisa duduk diam, karena tidak mengambil posisi juga adalah sebuah posisi.
Betul, mengambil posisi aktif akan meningkatkan daya tawar, duduk diam hanya akan jadi FOLLOWER , walau tidak suka harus menjalankan. Dengan aktif, maka akan ada kebijakan yg dapat "dititipkan" utk kepentingan BANGSA dsn NKRI dan kita memahami semua kebijakan itu tanpa ada PRASANGKA BURUK. Iblis bermasalah sengan manusia dan TUHAN karena adanya PRASANGKA BURUK thd manusia. Kita jangan sampai jadi iblis tapi tetap jadi manusia DISAAT KEBIJAKAN itu dijalanksn.
What makes this video special, is not my beloved professor. Its the narrator, asking the right, and smart questions to profesor. Awesome, this one is a jewel.
a HEAVY topic but explained in a clear easy to understand way. thank you so much. may this discussion touch the hearts of policy makers, hearts of those who call the shots, hearts that failed to care about people's lives
There is a fallacy in the core matter! The so-called democratic freedom in the United States does not exist. What the United States has is the freedom of the plutocrats. To put it simply, don’t confuse the freedom of the plutocrats with democratic freedoms!
seneng deh nonton chanelnya pak gita
I have to watch this one again and again, it covers most of the main Geopolitical conflicts we are now in. John can break things down in a very understandable way. He covered a lot in this one so definitely a re-watch for me.
John is wrong about most things. In this video he’s wrong about everything Hopefully because of ignorance.
He’s not even a contrarian with original ideas. Just 🤡
@@captainchaoscow a critique by a european, vassal states for the americans is no substantial whatsoever. He said that europe wanted peace and unshackle from the big global powers? lmao them europeans wanted to be the poker players themselfs, just look at france imperialism on west africa and multinational european companies like shell bribes corrupt goverments on 3rd world nations.
well once was enough .. to see he curiously very very sympathetic to Russia , ignoring the fact they in fact STARTED the WAR ??
@@geezz99 he’s in an odd group of intellectuals that imply that only US has agency and subjectivity. The rest of countries are simply marionettes.
So worth listening to. I hope we will have more of JM on KZhead. I thank whoever put this interview on YT.
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JM is loved by russian trolls for reason. He is Putin's useful idiot.
He's a compelling speaking but he's wrong about a lot of stuff. Thinks it's okay for big countries to bully small ones.
@@michaelnextdoor8726 You're not alone in that belief. Many other commenters have called JM an apologist for bullying behavior. JM is in the business of *predicting* behavior. That doesn't mean that he endorses the behavior that he forecasts. He advises that nations should formulate policies, based on how other nations are *likely* to behave, rather than on behavior that is *hoped* for. I avoid walking through high crime neighborhoods, all alone late at night. I have a perfect right to walk down those streets anytime, but I try to not do foolish things. JM is a man of profound compassion. He advises nations to not do foolish things, for which a hideous cost is likely to be incurred. Personally, I wish his advise were more heeded.
excellent analysis indeed ...am blown off
Best interview
Woaaah gak nyangka pak gita bisa interview prof mearsheimer!
JM said “under the umbrella of US security” when talking about why the East European countries joining NATO. I once heard an interesting analogy made by the royals in Saudi Arabia when talking about the security provided by the US. He said that a shepherd brought a dog to protect his herd from a hyena that ate one of his goats every week at night but the dog had to be fed with meat of one goat a day. This explains perfectly the kind of security provided by the US. In Africa it’s a different ball game the US security train soldiers who then overthrow the governments.
US army are actually cold blooded pythons. They are not poison. But if you do not feed them well, they will eat your fresh. Also you wish they could defend you, which is just your wish. They are for their own interests. Poor people should never bring pythons back home.
the USA does the same with Asian and American countries like in Africa and the middle east. they give aid and train the militaries and if the politicians go against the USA they then order the generals to perform a coup and depose the government. they did this with Egypt and their first ever democratically elected president Mohamed Morsi. they do this to Pakistan every 4 years since their independence from the british empire.
Completely agree. US government to his allies: Selling them weapons so they feel safe. US government to the rebellion army: Selling them weapon to fight for their "freedom and democracy". As a Chinese mainlander, this is exactly what US government did to Taiwan
So true - and I suppose Russia has learnt this story and will try to do it more trustful - at least until reaching a strong hegemony (?); well see! But I hope for a better multipolar world!
So what is eastern europe paying? cap! Saudis are most wealthiest on planet...
Thanks 👍❤️
It's so good to hear, the questioner and the answerer are very wise and beneficial
Terima kasih pak Gita. Saya suka mendengarkan analisis dia tentang Ukraina. Bahkan dia jauh jauh hari sudah prediksi,dan sudah mengatakan bahwa yang membuat Ukraina perang adalah karena NATO melakukan kesalahan fatal dengan terus ekspansi ke timur. Padahal sebaiknya Ukraina itu netral
Mearsheimer is a dove on Russia. He makes sense on his analysis on Ukraine war, like another American Jeffrey Sachs. Mearsheimer is basically saying this: don't waste time fighting Russia. Fight China because China will be a bad hegemon. American hegemon is better. In reality, China will not be a hegemon even if it wants to. Because it will be a multipolar world, crowded with US, EU, and Japan together and new ones appearing like India, Brazil and Indonesia. Moreover, China wants to do investments and trade. It does not interfere with internal affairs of others. In trade and investments, everyone wins. US is all about power and control. It's not interested in developing other countries. It has 800 bases all over the world to coerce others, to assassinate, kidnap, sanction and invade on endless wars. It wants to protect USD as the world reserve currency in order to keep printing free USD for huge military expenditure. Mearsheimer is twisting logic and making assumptions for a war with China. He is a dangerous war monger who wants to force nations choose: you are either with us or against us.
Well I have respect for Mearsheimer that he is dead honest about the US-China relationship is about hegemony and not some bullsh!t democracy vs authoritarian. Mearsheimer once participated in a debate in Intelligence Square on the topic if "China is friend or a foe' a few years ago. He did try initially to bullsh!t about that if China is a democracy, US would not have treated China like a foe. However, by almost at the end of the debate and he was asked if he would think of China as a friend if China eventually becomes a democracy, he said NO. He honestly admitted that whether China is a democracy or not is not import because China is becoming too powerful, a jeopardy to US's hegemony!
Extremely interesting. Thanks.
What an articulate and succinct interviewer! John Mearsheimer is amazing as always. Thanks for this!
Selalu mengesankan dengan narasumber yg luar biasa, orang2 hebat di bidangnya. Menyimak dulu. Terima kasih pak Gita
As a student of international relations this was such a treat to watch! I really loved it. Professor explaines everything so well, it is incredible! Also thank you for asking all the most important questions that we all wanted to know more about. All in all, this was just a 10/10 masterpiece of an interview! 💯💯💯🔝
@@zacharyklein2381 Prof Mearsheimer is from the University of Chicago.
I don’t agree with the assumptions about US security provided to East European countries. JM said “under the umbrella of US security” when talking about why the East European countries joining NATO. I once heard an interesting analogy made by the royals in Saudi Arabia when talking about the security provided by the US. He said that a shepherd brought a dog to protect his herd from a hyena that ate one of his goats every week at night but the dog had to be fed with meat of one goat a day. This explains perfectly the kind of security provided by the US. In Africa it’s a different ball game the US security train soldiers who then overthrow the governments.
@@burgi6236 You are delusional. Look at the United states. The whole EU is becoming US puppet states at this point. And also look at their track record, how many invasions, how many coup detats. Literally half of the world has been invaded by the USA. So is it strange that Russia doesn't want the USA controlled military block NATO near their borders?
Porf J. Mearsheimer does not listen to what Putin said about Ukraine : that it is not a state. Not imperialism? In 2005 Putin told the nation on TV that the collapse of the Soviet empire “was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century”. What about wars in Chechnya, Georgia,? What about Lavrov's Ulitmatum of Dec 2021: Demand of NATO structures from Poland and Central Europe to the state before 1990. Why did the Russians attack with too small army? Today we know and it is confirmed by interviews that the decision to attack was made on the basis of incorrect information and assumptions of the Russian FSB: that Ukraine will lose in two weeks, that the public will welcome Russian soldiers and that the Ukrainian army will surrender as a result of treason, as partially succeeded on the southern front -It was the ignorance of the enemy. “The Kremlin believed its own propaganda,” Clark says. “It thought it was going to be welcomed by the Ukrainian population as liberators and that the Ukrainian military would collapse.” There is plenty of evidence for that Putin has started the war beceasue of the imperial ambitions: 1. Siergiej LAVROV's Ultimatum to NATO of December 21st for liquidation of the Alliance’s military presence on its eastern flank. 2. In a televised address to the nation, Putin explicitly denied that Ukraine had ever had “real statehood,” and said the country was an integral part of Russia’s “own history, culture, spiritual space.” time.com/6150046/ukraine-statehood-russia-history-putin/ 3. Ignorance of the Ukrainian army: time.com/6258141/ukraine-russia-war-putin-military-mistakes/
@@burgi6236America is NATO basicly and it does have plans to put nukes in Ukrain. Why do you think they are fighting the proxy war and trying to get eastern european countrys in NATO?
Very interesting interview. Thanks for this
Very intelligently and craftily conducted dialogue. Great understanding of international power struggle.
There is a fallacy in the core matter! The so-called democratic freedom in the United States does not exist. What the United States has is the freedom of the plutocrats. To put it simply, don’t confuse the freedom of the plutocrats with democratic freedoms!
I love how he puts complex ideas into very simple words!
It means he understands his thing.
You wouldn't agree with everything he believes in if he were being honest.
He has a simple view that conforms to his own biases. He's a 'big picture' guy who can't see the trees in the forest. Worthless.
@@michaelnextdoor8726 Those who control Eurasia control the World - J.H.Mackinder
😂ANY COUNTRY NOT INVOLVE IN WAR IS A WINNER! DUHHH
LOVE Mearsheimer!! The man is brilliant and his integrity rare!
It's a clean and honest analysis of the situation. That's why he is loved in different countries. There is no propaganda or programming of public consciousness. Pure analysis only. And he is right in every word. I lived in Russia for a long time. And now Russia starts to become more like Asia. Thanks for US politics. Such a wise people.
他在谈到对日本的封锁和日本自杀般的反击时露出了得逞的微笑
Master class in geo politics. Prof John Mearsheimer explans complex theories in a very digestible way indeed
Terima kasih telah berbagi tentang video yang menarik dan edukatif ini. Saya sependapat dengan pernyataan John Mearsheimer yang menyebutkan bahwa situasi dunia saat ini jauh lebih berbahaya dibandingkan masa Perang Dingin. Sebagai seorang realis, John Mearsheimer menyebut perang di Ukraina sebagai "The Tragedy of Great Power Politics". Selain membahas mengapa AS tidak menyukai teorinya tentang realisme, dia juga memprediksi bagaimana China akan diuntungkan dari perang yang berkepanjangan di Ukraina. Tak hanya itu, dia juga membahas tentang bagaimana krisis iklim dapat meningkatkan ketegangan geopolitik di wilayah Arktik. Saya juga tertarik untuk mendengar podcast Anda dengan Henry Kissinger, jika ada kesempatan. Hal ini tentu akan sangat menarik dan dapat menambah wawasan kita tentang geopolitik global. Terima kasih sekali lagi atas informasinya!
Next kindly invite Scot Ritter and Col Douglas Mac Gregor. Hatur nuhun pisan Pak Gita.
It's great yo have access to so a global vision of what's happening and what we have to expect in the coming years. Thanks a lot from Colombia.
One of my favorite podcast...
Wow, over more than a year I have listened to many of John's talks and conversations. I find this one at this point in time the most comprehensive conversation and analysis of geopolitics; superb, master.
Disagree. He just transfers the Russian viewpoint into the English speaking world. Because of that, a number of logical weaknessess and leaks are inevitable in his argumentation. He is pro-Putin, anti-US, anti-China.
He is just wrong, relying on a big world view based on false assumptions. He isn't an expert in anything, except in his own unexamined belief that authoritarian regimes can't be held to account. The Russians must love him.
@@andrewgibson6495 Agree. Apart from his strongly pro-Russian viewpoint, one could see him as a strong believer of the "Cold War Religion", which tells that a group of certain countries are untouchable. As you said. In the beginning of the war on Ukraine, Kissinger transpired similar statements, but later he agreed that Russian behaviour is entirely unacceptable and needs to be fought off.
An impressive interview about Realpolitik for a student of IR - by these two intellectuals
As a Chinese I really don't understand why the US wants to help China become stronger, is the US stupid, creating rivals for itself, I don't understand it.emmmmmm
Ive had the same thoughts in terms of realism in todays geopolitical landscape. I love this stuff and I think I just found my passion. 42 but I think its time I go back to school and pursue what actually drives my curosity. Thanks John. You are a refreshing aspiration for me. I can see a path now.
I just want to have conversations again... respectful, thoughtful, yet also passionate conversations about the important topics that pertain to all humans on earth :) We are all teachers & the taught... lets come togther for all humans on earth to thrive and prosper on the soil they were born on. Thank you for this conversation, guys!
Thank you Minister Wirjawan for setting up this fascinating and inspiring conversation.
Mantap wawancara nya, and as always, the way Mr. Gita formulate the questions are mind blowing...
A Brilliant mind and a great interview! 👍
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China's space advancement is a pride for all mankind. The world is looking forward to peace and prosperity in China's leadership unlike war and destruction brought by america's prosperity that was founded on kleptocracy. Kudos to China❤❤❤
Laughable what you say
I mean, as long as China stand against USA, its all good, although China are Communist.
@@TheTruthSeeker756 Bald opinion without back-up evidence? Laughable.
@@TheTruthSeeker756 addicted to that blue pill. Keep sleeping.
@@TheTruthSeeker756 come back bro
Mata kuliah gratis 1 sks di amerika .. Thx pa gita teruskan
Prosesor ini aja ketar ketir sama 🇨🇳🇨🇳🙊🙊🙊🙊🗿🗿🗿🗿
Thanks of course
One of the greatest scholars of our; so much to learn from him 🙏
Now I understand why Chinese welcome Prof. John Mearsheimer. He is one of the few Western elites who do not blame China out of ideology (cliches of slave labor, human right, etc.) but seriously analyze China based on facts and theory. I especially appreciate his empathy on Chinese's struggle of sincerely trying to "peaceful rise." That empathy is so rare from another culture and shows his wisdom. Respect and look forward to more of his works and interviews.
He holds ideological mindsets on neither China nor US, that's the point. It makes him pragmatic and see the fundamental truth.
The thing to understand is, how China Banks are able to support a Great deal of investments in at least 4 different Continents?
@@hugoc1861 Of the 10 largest banks in the world, 5 are from China, the largest banks in the world are Chinese banks which rank 1-4
@@medx1553 how did they got to that position?
@@hugoc1861 From their economic development over the decades.
Really smart person. Im Russian and can confirm he understands our concerns exactly correct.
Incredible discussion!
I am a chineseand .I listened it during my lunch and thought this guy is interesting and also he used easy words I can unerstand. at the end , he says he is Mearsheimer, I just realized tha he is that guy i knew so many years. It's like the monment that Tony says " i am the iron man", thank Mr,John so much
This may be the best interview I've ever seen regarding current foreign policy between the Kings of the North and South. Very enlightening.
father of neorelism in international relations, great interviewes Mr. Gita.
Thank you both for educating American and the world 🌎 ❤️
Keren.. Sejarah dunia tentang kekuasaan selama kurang lebih 100-200 tahun berhasil di rangkum dalam video ini