Will it START? | Massey Ferguson Diesel Tractor left for SCRAP
2023 ж. 17 Жел.
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Today on the channel we take a look at a Massey Ferguson 2200 diesel tractor with a loader that was scrapped. Why was it scrapped and will it start?
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That starter is the real star of the video!!! Those are some snappy hydraulics
The Massey is absolutely worth it. The hydraulic system alone is worth way more than the asking price. When something sits, things will seize a little. The more you work it, the more it will pay you back. With those Masseys the High range usually makes it more difficult to shift in and out of gear. Definitely change out all the filters in case they fragment from sitting a long while. If they do fall apart, they will clog all kinds of critical passages. Why it took so long to start was probably the valves and rings freeing up over time and working properly. Soaking the cylinders for a while previous to starting would have helped. Congrats on your new tractor, I hope.
Thats a Perkins AD3.152. Ive got one in my MF 135 and it is a fantastic motor. Pulls fantastic for its size and sips on fuel. Perkins still makes this motor so parts are very available. You can get a full rebuild kit for about $1000. They dont start worth a crap below freezing, investing the $50 for a perkins ijtake heater is well worth it. Cold weather you should start it at half throttle, found that tid bit in my tractor manual and its helped a lot.
I’d go for it. Even if you have to split it and put a clutch in it, the price is right. And as others have said, it will still bring what you paid for it.
Man boys tenacity won the day!! Thanks for sharing y'all's adventures!!
I used to use a MF50 for loading 'organic fertilizer'. After a few hundred tons in a day operating the clutch in my wellies, I was left with a bruise on my instep. Thankfully most loaders now have shuttle gearboxes. It is still running, but only occasionally used to shift Oak Logs now. Those Perkins engines are always good first time starters.
The lever to the left is your forward reverse mechanical shuttle, the middle is 1,2,3 and to the right is high low. Typical massey pattern is to the left and up for reverse, that is locked out on the shuttle trans. Could be a 202 or 30, I have a 30B it has the newer Dash and sheetmetal otherwise looks very simular.
I'd buy it without question. The loader is worth the asking price
The loader is worth we’ll more than you paid for the whole tractor. I bought a loader like that one off a MF 165 Industrial with a blown motor. It hooked right up to my MF 175.
Go for it! Save as many of these old American made machines as you can! We don't make them like we used to! 🇺🇸🤠✌
Or actually, British made machines - but yes, I agree! I grew up on several late 70's early 80's MF's and love them.
Worked for a Massey Ferguson dealer in the 70s. These older models had real steel in them. No computers
I'm surprised that CAV Injector pump did pump. They don't like to set. Mouse urine may have caused the clutch to stick. The clutch pedal shaft may have a grease fitting. I didn't think you were going to get it running, but I'm glad you did. Merry Christmas.
She fought us!!
Love this one and hope you try to start the one in the weeds. I love this old iron and whenever one can be saved, an angel rings a bell and gets it's wings.
I absolutely love this channel!
That machine must have one hell of a starter
buy it you just can't loose. it is worth more than that and your followers need something to follow. boys, we're not looking at you, we look at the machines. best wishes. if that thing was in connecticut it would be here now.
Manual shuttle transmission. Clutch parts should not be a problem as parts for the tractor should be available. MF 40 would have same or similar parts .Model 200 loader. Excellent tractor and loader.
I think it's a a50 (or 50a)model
Merry Christmas Tyler and thank you for sharing your time with us all.
I have a mf158 at home and currently restoring it... a while ago the shifter for the transmission was stuck and it only had reverse, the HI/LOW was the only way to make it idle without the tractor reversing and this happens if the main shifter is old and gone out of alignement with the forks, it's not hard to fix, just got to unbolt the steering casing which also can make it more easy to see why it's not turning the wheels . For the clutch it's really not a big deal on the MF, they are quite simple to split up if it really needs to go this far. Cheers from France Love your content 👌👍
Go for it, can't go wrong with a fixer upper that turns over and sucks fuel for $600.
There’s another gentleman on here that restored one of these industrial MFs, TheMechanicDave is his name I believe. Very useful video series. I’d take it at that price.
Buy it, Jason. You know you want to. 😁
Massey 35 . We had 15 of them over years from late 60s thru to the 80s . all backhoe/loaders. Doing trenching work around our town. I currently have a Massey 50B series backhoe loader. they are easy to work on. I split mine and put a new clutch in it by myself. Great engine the 3 cylinder Perkins, you can not kill them. I would buy that 35 massey in a heart beat for that price . Good luck, shes a good machine . Colin in Albany, Western Australia :-)
As always one more great video mate all the best to you and your family and friends happy Christmas and new years ahead.
I’m pretty sure it’s the ‘Yellow’ model . I didn’t think it was going to run, Glad you didn’t give up! Hope you get that clutch unstuck.
You definitely got this my friend, I’ve seen you get worse stuck engines going brother! 🙏🏻🙏🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Yes, definitely it will run!
ty thank you for saving old equipment. happy holidays to you and yours. may god bless
Thanks Russ!
Go for it. Good tractor
Good video!
Beautiful looking tractor I would love to have one
What's to think about Jason! Buy it, in our day and age you can't find much for that little. If you pass on it let me know, please. I live in northern MN so we can't be that, super far apart. I'd like it so I could add a bolt on style Backhoe to it. I'm 66 years old but I'd easily split it if that's what it takes to fix or repair the clutch. I also own a hydraulic wrecker so I'd be easier to do. 😊😊
I agree, that it's worth it. You got it started, that was half the battle. Getting it to drive would obviously take some new parts and some more tinkering.
You made, saved my Xmas guys.. I was bored and just finished working on my second plow truck. Why with no Snow in sight I have no idea, 😂. I need a small project if Jason passes. I'm in MN. Happy holidays guys.
This is an interesting machine love it
She’s a gem!
It’s got a badass starter for sure
Awesome
Is there any kind of inspection plate underneath that you can remove to have look at the clutch. I beleave its not a bad tractor. It would be a job to redo the clutch. Great video.
I Have a few old stuck things mostly jeeps and tractors. I started them downhill with the clutch depressed. Bounced on the gas, pulled a hill, all with the clutch depressed. They usually break free, but you have to keep the clutch depressed while stressing them.
🎉put the panels on and intake back on make sure all s crews and fastners are. Saved pick up all tools. Good luck
Definitely worth the price, perkins are good motors. We had a 30 with loader and backhoe very good tractor. Easy to work on and easy to get parts. In your cool weather, get a block heater for it, saves your battery, starter and stay away from that ether. Good luck
Clutch is stuck due to moisture of the disc between surface of pressure plate and flywheel. Try to force it to slip by adjusting out free travel and start engine and either hold brakes or put agaiinst tree. Then snatch high low into gear with shuttle in forward and main transmission in 6th. Have to snatch high low quick into high. Replacing the clutch will still be necessary and not all that expensive.
Old hard starters like that, if they are getting proper fuel. You can take a lit propane torch and stick it over the intake, that usually gets them going
Tyler i wish i had a junk yard like this one near me ,Aussies run things into the ground before they hit the wrecking yard ,your mate needs to give the old Massey a home ,or at least hide it for you at his house until you break the news to the wife Lol Merry Xmas mate Kym Adelaide
I wouldn't be so worried about that clutch. Like others have said it will mast likely break free when you get it to run well and move it, then drop bucket...or pull it in gear with truck. I'd bet it isn't that much of a problem. Worst case is pull it apart. 👍🏻👌🏻🤔🤷🏻♂️🛠️🔩🔧😁🍻
Also, those truck utility boxes sitting there look like there in good shape. I wish I could get a nice one for my truck, those may be a lil big for my '00 7.3L zf6 f250 tho. Until then I'll stay with what I got 2x2x1/4 steel angle iron ladder rack with one long top-of-rail double door tool box, and a long over-the-rail box on other side. Anyways....keep up the diesel stuff!
Awesome and I hope you guys get it
He did!
Kind of rare model of industrial tractor
The loader alone was worth $3000 10 years ago. I’ve got the Perkins 4.236 version of this tractor, the industrial tractors have higher volume hydraulic pumps, that’s why the bucket moves so quickly. They’re still around for a reason.
The fuel pump needs to losen up. I am guessing the metering valve is sticking. I had this problem with a case backhoe. The metering valve needs to be in the WOT position for the engine to start. When you pulled the shut off the metering valve did not go back to wide open throttle. It will losen up in time. I added essential lube to the fuel tank and my starting problems are gone.
So we need to be friend's, great motivation..well done its worth 600. Even if you have to split it.
The old Plow may be too much for your tractor but you could always remove one of the plows and see how that plays out 👍👍💪. Good luck 🍀🤞
forward and reverse is the pedals on the right where the brakes are normally.
I have a Massey Ferguson 40hp, with the 3 cylinder Perkins engine. The flat fender tractor is called the industrial model..
When you use jumper cables, it is a good idea to wait a few minutes for the surface charge on the low battery to build up.
MF 30 industral The one I have is 60 hp gas. I got my clutch unstuck by holding clutch down and turned key off and jam it gear on the last revolution. Data plate is just the in front of shifter.
It is a perkins diesel and the rebuild kits are very reasonable on them
Sound like the hydraulic system also might have water in it very squeaky could just be some O rings. Lets see the farmal. We got a pretty decent snow storm here
What your still undecided. Why... don't worry about the clutch. You will get that free. Use some PB on the shaft. It will free up. Buy it. Seriously buy it.
Looks like a massey ferguson 2135, which is the industrial version of the 135. I believe the lever on the left that he was pulling is forward and reverse
Oh Jason...your a day older....do not regret buying a tractor....you are only young once...take it....😊
Tyler: love ❤️ your diligence!! I think it is worth every bit of $600
I don't know if anyone has given an answer about this tractors model yet. But from what I could find about it is that it's a MF 2200 with a model 200 loader. The squared off fenders with recessed front work lights & rear brake lights, the recessed design on the loader arms as well as the rear wheel hubs all match the photo of the 2200 I found. The only difference between this one and the one in the photo is the one in the photo has a back-hoe attached and is missing the brake lights. This one doesn't have a back-hoe and all of its' lights seem to be intact and in good shape. So mystery solved, it's a MF 2200, made from 1965 - 1970 and came with either a 2.2l Continental 4-cylinder gasser or a 2.5l Perkins 3-cylinder diesel and was rated for 42hp. :)
I wonder if the starter is just shot- bad brushes or maybe it’s just dry bushings and it’s spinning hard. Might see about getting one out of a junk engine and try that
good brother your videos amazing i really liked your video
Looks like that engine has to cold and doesn't want to run, because of it. Smallish fire under the oil pan usually helps there.
Keep that old Iron running boys
first comment DON"T USE EATHER ON A PERKINS DIESEL!!!! Perkins uses a precombustion chamber , eather will blow the covers of the chambers and can crack or damage the head or bend rods! Clutch-- with clutch disengaged and trans in gear rock the tractor back and forth old organic clutches when left will tend to bind to the flywheel rocking or draging short distiances back and forth will tend to free them ,if you get to rowdey you can tend to brake the disc off friction material, if the throw out fork shaft is stuck try heating with a torch and then let cool till warm to touch then apply some pb blaster and let cool all the way then hit end of shaft with a brass /lead hammer several times also that should be what was considerd a comerical model and should not have a pto or 3 pt hitch
Cheers to the start motor. Does it have glow plugs ? In any case it’s a bargain, plenty of parts still available
try cranking for a bit before letting the shutdown go to build some heat in cylinders,helps on my old massey
The clutch can be serviced by splitting the tractor or pull starting it
I've brought home some good stuff from the salvage yard, mower, weed eaters, and tractor implements, many of which i still use or sold and made a profit. Alot of times, someone dies and the family wants everything gone and they have no clue what it is and what its worth.
Top leveler is forward reverse shuttle lever cause its industrial model
Is that a Massey 40B? 3 cylinder perkins diesel. 1-2 shifter on left with hi-low on right shifter. And foot operated hydrostatic transmissions
There is a inspection plate to reach clutch
I saw a tractor in the background with a narrow front andI bet you can get that one running, I mean it would be a challenge but it would also be content!
Yeah eventually we probably should start that one!
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I believe that is a 2-135 industrial, I'm not positive but fairly confident.
Jason, if you pass on the Massey you're gonna hate yourself later, trust me. It's a no brainer my friend. Deals are super hard to come by so jump in with both feet and start having fun 🔧🔧🔧 your butt off! Jesse's got your back I'd like to think 🤔💬..
I can use the grill parts. The tag with model number is under the steering wheel on a plate, probably long gone. 200 is the loader
Disconect alternator 28:00 wires so you dont make it worse and you can take it to an alternatop shop see ifit needs repair it may not .good luck
By the way Jason, if ya'll leave the bucket up when cranking to start you lower the bucket while cranking and it speeds up the crank speed. I would definitely get this tractor. It is a really good one. It doesn't steer because of low fluid. More work to knock the freeze plugs back in. Come on take it home man.
Do yourselves a big favor. Rather than forcing all those things spray them with some lubricant first!
don't give up
Where is your torch for heating the inlet?
I'll buy it if you don't want it, the loader is worth it by its self.
O Ford é famoso aqui no Brasil muito
You should pull start the tractor and jam the bucket into the ground and I bet the clutch would slip. There might also be a plug on the bellhousing where you can spray pb blaster I have heard of people spraying the clutches with pb blaster and since its a penetrant and not really a lubricant the clutch doesn't slip when the pedal is out.
Perkins ad3.152 she will fire up very good engine
Engine runs, hydraulics work, has a loader iron looks decent for 600 bucks you can work on the clutch.
The lever he moved on left side should be shuttle shift fwd Rev lever
Looks like a 175 , similar to what we had on the farm..
Looks like a MF20 industrial series, about 45 horse....
yes it is still a Mack Diesel ENDTA350 Mack not bad depending all the new Macks today are Volvos
That was not air that stopped it and it's firing on 2 at the most. They are beautiful engines that only sip fuel.
Looks like a MF 235 but It has been a long time. Jim in Chile
Good job Little more work should be like new
Loock MF255 Greetings from Poland.
Why do you never try one of those gas burners that you just pull the trigger and the flame starts. Then you could heat the intake and the air going into the motor.
Did you bleed the injectors??
Try towing it and standing on the brakes ,usually works better towing in reverse
Lift the loader assembly curl the bucket back and use the tractor's power and a bucket to push the tractor backwards it should break free