Reviewing the DROP + EPOS PC38X. Was I wrong in may first review of the DROP + Sennheiser PC38X? Lets revisit the "BEST GAMING HEADSET" or is it?
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TIMESTAMPS
It Starts - 00:00
Comfort - 00:59
Build - 02:59
Long Winded Sound Talk - 04:56
Yup More Sound - 08:04
Mic Test - 09:37
Conclusion - 10:46
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I feel like the build being plastic and feeling “cheap” allows them to price it competitively especially since the sound is so good and they could probably charge more. Not to mention they feel light. I like their approach to this product. Give gamers the best sound out there for a gaming headset but use plastic for the build to keep the price down.
I agree, yet when a "gaming" company Razer/steelseries/astro does that everyone jump on the hate train
That’s a good way to think about it. The lightness is the main benefit. But I hate the creaking and cracking that these do when I pick them up or when I wear them. Love the sound and mic though.
Because those gaming peripheral companies don’t have the Sennheiser sound quality to back them up ;)
Helps that the plastic Sennheiser use isn't quite as cheap or easily breakable as other headphone/headset manufacturers. Plus because they're so light I find you can wear them for hours as they're so comfy.
@@TheTechne Those companies will get a pass on build quality when they make a headset that rivals the PC38x in sound quality.
ive been watching for a few months now and your channel is STINKING the best review channel!. keep the grinnndddd
The Passion in ur reviews is superbbb and on point Great Videoo!!
I agree that I was unimpressed with the build of the pc37x when I got it but it has been the only pair in two years that my son hasn’t broken. Other than getting a new cord, the headset has help up amazingly well.
The plastic might seem cheap at first, but my God do they hold up. I've had my PC360 for 10 years now. Been dropped hundreds of times, survived travel all over the world and a few moves. Cable and headband cushion are the only things I've replaced.
Possible suggestion: Add a light to the left of the camera shot to lessen the shadow behind you. Honestly, that is such I minor thing, I feel bad for pointing it out, but honestly it's the only thing I could see to improve with the new theme. I'm really diggin' the white theme. Usually I'm not a fan of white, but I'm loving it. Reminds me a bit of the old old setup with the white wall and gears.
U know what's weird, I usually have on on with this new setup, but in this video I decided to try it with out, lol. Lesson learned, and thank for the feedback man
Buying expensive gaming accessories helps with anger issues man I stg😂😂 I bought a elite series 2 and haven’t thrown/dropped it since I got it. I had my moments but as I was gonna throw it but I thought twice about it lol
i didnt think abt that… imma have to control myself with this headset. I split my ps5 controller in half rhe other day and thank god for me warrenty
Love these headphones got the regular ones and took out the yellow foam inside the drivers and painted them a different color cause I just didn't like the yellow. But man having these for a couple weeks love these things they are comfortable and sound very good but yea they do seem built very badly but it makes up for it for being light. I love velour pads a little bit more but attract hair and dust more then the normal pads overall these are a 10/10 :)
I love your reviews techne, stinking love them!
thank you so stinkin much
Yo techne great review ,could you please do a review on the EPOS H3PRO HYBRID WIRELESS !!! Thank you 🙏
You were right about the comfort, but wrong about the rest. The PC38X is a great headset, but if falls short in the comfort department. The H6Pro makes up for that, and that's why it is the 2021 Headset of the Year. The PC38X held that title in 2020.
I'm a fan of the sennheiser tonality and Soundstage. Currently running HD560s and they are very neutral and clean sounding. Hopefully one day I will try some other offerings from top audio companies. Can't go wrong with sennheiser though 👌
I enjoy it but I'm. more of an Audio Technica and Audeze sound fan
@@TheTechne I gotta try those guys next for sure!
Will you do a review of the steelseries arctis 7+? Or are they the same as 7p+?
i appreciate this review
I actually just discovered you today and ran into your top 5 video with the artic pros being number 5(currently own them). I couldn’t agree more, they aren’t bad but overtime I just feel kinda meh about the $300 IMO that I paid for them. I actually just bought today the number 3 on your recommendation VIRTUOSO RGB WIRELESS SE, I just got home and I am about to try them, I know you mentioned you didn’t like how they felt over your ears, fortunately Best Buy had a display one and I was able to try them on for a little where they felt comfortable. I am finally going to give them a go and unbox them, I am just curious how you would compare the Corsair virtuoso se to the ones you reviewed in this video !! I have to say I subscribed after your first video and love your content !!
thank you so much for the support! Now the virtuosos are amazing, any one out of the line. I will actually have a video soon too fix the one issue with them ;)
@@TheTechne awesome !! Sounds great, thanks for your feedback, yea I loved them yesterday I plugged them in direct via usbc / usb and sound was clean and bass was nice, they felt good on my head. Tried ARK, Rocket league and Fortnite to test different sounds out, so far I have to say I love them! Haven’t downloaded the EQ thing yet, but I’m sure I’ll come around too it
just when im looking for wireless headset , i was thinking on this one , but the open back its like a meh to me when playing fps , good review tho :)
Love the build Quality, seems like great quality
I’ve been trying really hard to find a good headset for my Ps5 that has a good quality sound as well as an awesome mic within the price range of $150 and under what is your number 1 recommendation ?
Have had the PC38x for months now and absolutely love them...not sure what all the negativity is about, sound quality is amazing. I've owned many many headsets over the years, from $50 to $600, and these are easily top 5.
It's not negativity, it's criticisms.
@@Nades- It's really hard to compare wired open back headsets to wireless closed back ones. I personally only want open back and will not buy closed back. So I'd get a better idea of what your needs are before comparing these because they are a bit apples to oranges. First I'd just decide if you really need wireless or not.
The clamp behind the jaw is exactly what I get with my sennheiser 599. They reach so damn long. I like to have them higher up with my earlobes squished. I still find them pretty comfy but could be better.
As and audiophile I agree with your statments about the "sound stage doesn't t equal a competitive edge", sound stage just makes the game feel more like your there because things that are far sound far while things that are close sound close. The thing that gives a competitive edge in audio is imaging, and with headphones like the HD 800s and HD 800 which have great imaging, basically give you wall hacks.
audio always play big role in fps game from good old cs days where good headphone make huge difference, now a days more BR game coming with shitty audio implementation and in tournament where ppl dnt rush too much just camp even in bushes where map knowledge and awareness play huge role then audio, i was watching scump one of the best cdl player he won 100$ dollar is pure raw skills and awareness nothing 100000$ headphone cant make difference and no matter how good is your headphone, keyboard and mouse can level up that skills so in the end matter how good you are your skills but yeah good audio implantation with better headphone can make you feel you are in the game actually witness the history such as bf5, bf5 audio was fucking amazing, kudos to dice all though bf 2042 audio suck ass
agree, and at the end of the day when we say "competitive edge" it really depends on what the person is using in the first place. Gaming headsets are much better than they use to be
@@TheTechne Indeed. Im so tired of reading people spewing out "gaming headsets suck"! Like, all of them or what? Such nonsens. Crazy good headsets out there nowadays.
Which pro player use an open back headset? Oh, none.
@@SomeFrenchDude That's usually because they are in noisy environments and need to focus and not have distractions from what's going on around them. Not because closed backs are better than open backs.
The problem I have with this particular product is it's not sold in my country. So I went with the Epos H6Pro instead.
Pc38x with the Astro mix amp has been a good combo for me.
Hey man, first thing wanted to let you know I'm addicted to your videos and thank you for all the content, hope your channel continues to grow because you really deserve it! Could really use your advice on which keyboard to get. Looking for a full-size keyboard (tried the G915 but hate the keycaps). I am looking at the Huntsman V2 Analog for $150 (seems like a good deal?) and the regular Huntsman V2 (linear) for $200. Any thoughts on which to get?
I say either the huntsman v2 (with reds) or the corsair k100
Hey techne i actualy mod my kaira PRO PS5 cause i dint like the headband at all i remove a turtle beach stealth 700 gen 2 and i put the headband on top off the kaira pro and its now a STINKIN COZY hands down man wow
Great re review. I'm pretty gutted I bought a hd660s and a creative g6 and I can't get on with them. Really wanted them to work. My pc is in the living room and unless the room is quiet which it never is I can't enjoy them. Going to sell them and try somthing else. Currently have the arctis pro wireless but really want to change find when there is alot going on sound wise it gets very muddy. Any suggestions.
If your still looking for a nice set I would recommend sennheiser HD280. Pair them with a modmic if you need a mic.
This or a steelseries 7+ for a PS5 and light streaming? I play a mix of warzone, elden ring, etc.
I was hoping you'd compare this to the H6 Pros, closed or open back. Looks aside, they seem to be very similar.
soon ;)
hey guys, what headset do you recomend for big heads? i bought the steelseries arctis pro but it was too tight for me and was thinking to get the astro A40 or the HyperX Cloud Flight but im not shure yet
I was thinking of this headset for my ps5 but do you have a better choice ?
I dont really know much about headsets lol but this is a great video. Do you have any recommendations for headphones that can double between gaming and proper music (I record singing and think it might be a bit scuffed listening back to music with a razer headset lol)
I think if you are looking for a headset that can double as both and you are okay with open back headphones, this one (PC38X) would be a fantastic choice. Got mine on sale for $119 ($10 off for first time customer) and couldn't be happier. A good closed back headset that can double as both would be the Beyerdynamic MMX 150 (and amazing microphone too). I would caution though that it is not as comfortable and if you don't have small ears it could be very uncomfortable as your ears may touch the drivers (fine for me with small ears).
what price range?
@@TheTechne i'm not overly fussed on price, as long as it's worth the money and not ridiculous (so maybe something a bit more mid range, but still good for not just gaming)
Damn this headset is looking stealthy in black,the mic was great even better than some more expensive headsets,overall it depends on personal taste,cuz u know some people love RGB on thiers. Thank you for the honest and gamery opinion.
I love my PC38x. I’m bald too and I hate the ski band feel of the steel series headsets rubbing on my bald dome. PC38x is the most comfortable headset I have worn. I keep trying to replace and always go back to it - I’ve been through Razer blackshark V2, Corsair virtuoso XT, Cloud Alphas, Razer Kraken ultimate, Astro A50, and JBL quantum 800 (I actually love these too, not as comfortable though). I’d like to take the plunge on the penrose - but can’t get past the reported negatives (wonky controls and hissing?).
What headphones do you recommend for PS5 and Call of Duty that have good sound quality and are comfortable, maximum 310 dollars, that are not too closed headphones?
Omg I was just looking at that last vid the other day!! I’m torn between these or the Epos H6 Pro (open or closed idk) What do u think?
I will always pick closed
Hey, quick question. Do you recommend the the PC38X or the senheiser game zero?
Any suggestion for a dac or mix amp to pair with these? Or do they even need one to shine?
I actually recently bought the original PC38x, and I must say it is a great headset. Gaming with an open back headset is amazing, I love it. However, I decided to return it in favor of the Sennhiser 58X Jubilee. I feel the 58X will be a better fit for me and they are the same price as the PC38x just without a mic since they are headphones and not a gaming headset. Great review as always keep up the good work.
the 58x are nice, a bit warm for my taste, but a fun pair
@@TheTechne Great I can't wait to get them, Drop just shipped them so with any luck I'll have them soon.
Yo
@Elvin Did you end up getting the 58x? I own the 38x as well. Was wondering if the 58x are better?
@@darren8038 I did get the 58X and I think they are better. I use mine for gaming and listening to music.
I already got the audeze penrose and oh boy do I love it
such and amazing headset
@@TheTechne yes yes yes thank you for your recommendations I used to use the hyper X orbit s but this one beats it in terms of sound quality
How long does it take for these to be delivered It told me it’s started shipping
What's the difference between this and the Sennheiser PC38X?
should i get Asus ROG Delta Core or alpha s or logitech g pro x or Corsair HS70 Pro its a tough choice
So what I'm hearing from you in the middle bit is that what makes the PC38X actually sound quite good for music and in general is that it has "tight" bass. Not too much and when it hits it hits quick and goes away quickly. So for your Halo example you might actually want a headset that sounds objectively worse (like the H6Pro Open that I tried), but because it has boosted and muddy bass, it might highlight a quick footstep from an enemy more distinctly since the bass notes would hit heavier and might decay more slowly than the very "tight" and musical PC38X. I do feel like you might be able to tweak your EQ for the game you're playing, and I think the PC38X is a much better starting point than some other headsets for this. That said, I have heard of some complaints of people having their drivers bottoming out in these if driven too hard in the lower ranges. I haven't had any issue yet.
is this a good headset for COD?
@@guacfiend I haven't tried it for that but have to think if it's good for music and Apex Legends it's probably good for CoD too
that headset looks lower quality then my cooler master mh630s i got (also i don't use them all the time) but when i do there stinkin cozy and my buddies say it sounds great in discord. glad i got them. also i can see where you like the razer BS v2x there a little snugger on the head. but i like the feel of CM better. its awesome.
Now that the Epos H3 can be purchased for only $79 I wonder what your take is on them? In the original review the only thing questioned was the $119 price point
Cant find anything under the name EPOS HE... ?!
@@LouisHamilfton it's Epos H3. My phone continuously auto corrected it.
I have a huge head and the pc37x feel great to me, I can wear them for several hours and have no fatigue. I wanted to buy the 38x but have always kinda though about a better set of cans with a boom mic or a clip on. idk...
What do you recommend for ps5 warzone mostly? I got the wired cloud 2 and the beyerdynamic dt770. But im not fully happy with those. Penrose, logitech g x pro, arctis 7p+ or pro, jbl quantum 800 or anything else?
Audeze Penrose
@@TheTechne thx. I allready had them ready to order but not sure enough. And now they in switzerland for about 240-250$ dont know how much they cost in the us but normaly they are like 350$
whats the difference between the normal version and the epos version? is it only the color?
7:22 important information that many reviewers don't go over, i appreciate that.
Still my favorite headset ever. And I’ve had them all. I will admit that it feels cheap as hell though. I’m glad you took another look at these. Great review as usual.
What's the real world noise cancellation like on the microphone? I'm talking background noise and then noise from the ear cups themselves bleeding into the mic? Also, do these headphones creak at all?
I was able to purchase this with some Amazon credits brand new for $72. Worth every penny at that price point?
How about the New Razer Kraken V3 Pro ? Still waiting for your Review Before buying Razer stuff
Bought this one but very disappointed about the comfort. The sound is very nice. Do you have any advice for a Wireless + Open back + Microphone headset less than 200 Euros ?
There is no wireless open back headset but what id recommended is getting a pair of like beyerdynamic dt 990 80 Ohm version and also getting like a $30 usb mic. Unless if ur playing on Xbox then ur gonna have to just buy some other headset. One headset I would recommend is the EPOS H6PRO. They’re wired but they’re amazing open backs. And the mic is good. For around $180
Let it break in! I found it uncomfortable for the first day or two as well but it broke in and now it’s the most comfortable headset I have
These are fantastic for gaming and music! But if you do not need the mic, get the 58X
can you please review the epos game zero
The real problem here is that some people feel the need to have a microphone integrated with their headphones. pick your favorite headphones and get a desk mic or modmic.
I agree with you on this point. I personally rarely use a mic, so I don't have any need of one attached to me headphones. I just ordered the Sennhiser 58X Jubilee, I have heard good things about them for gaming and music. Since I am new to audio, I feel they will be a good fit for a beginner especially at the price of 180 USD.
@@B1ASJ3ST3R Great headphones. You won't be disappointed.
@@garethg8226 Thanks, I can't wait for them to arrive. I'm sure I'll love them for both gaming and music listening.
Great video. Been debating about these or the EPOS H6’s. Similar price points where I’m at, but the EPOS look like they have a drastically better build quality and very similar mics as well
Honesty to save you time, don't get the H6Pros at least the closed back ones. I bought them due to the positive reviews and they sound really bad. Like I have the Sennheiser GSP 302s and they are seriously MILES better in terms of sound and comfort. The H6pros sound very muffled and blends all the sounds of what your playing. The H6Pros lack all the treble like detail. For me I will be sending mine back. The GSP 302s are still the best headset I've tried and I've tried a bunch. Plus they are like $60 bucks rn.
@@matthew_bontell Arent the GSP 302 just lower tier as the H6Pro´s? I was about to try the open back H6Pros. But the GSP302 for about 60bucks is pretty nice actually!
@@LouisHamilfton no the drivers sound completely better. You will not be disappointed with the 302s. They are nothing short of amazing especially for the money.
I'm pretty disappointed by mine. The bass is extremely weak in my opinion, I hear a lot of flutter regardless of what I do to EQ it. It rattles/bottoms out in heavy bass situations. My corsair headset... doesn't. It isn't as clear, but overall the bass presence really takes it down a few notches.
Completely agreed with you, you're being stinking freaking honestly cool xD
Techne i would like to know what that thing is in the ear cups the pokes out and would it be comfortable
I believe it just how the drivers are placed in with the slight angle. and no you don't feel out at all
I know this question is dumb but if i get a monitor with no speakers and plug in my headset will i still get audio ?
I prefer closed back mainly because of the isolation. I don't hear the air conditioner or my kid on his PC next to me screaming at his teammates for not following his orders lol
if i wanted wired i would go with these but i just cant go back from wireless now
This video makes me really nervous for my pair coming tomorrow.
nah don't be worried man, they are good, just know what your getting
@@TheTechne If I don't end up liking them, do you have any other open back suggestions? I have used closed back and earbuds previously and although they have been fine, I can't hear anything around me. That's a problem when someone rings my doorbell or something in my house calls me, and I literally can't hear them. I also watched your video on the MH751 and apparently, they sit relatively loose on your head. Would those be a good alternative?
What about this vs Epos H6PRO ?
The original pads ain’t comfortable and can easily cause fatigue after short period of time, had to replace them with the pads of a pc360 i had laying around
i am glad that it not just me who using a very pricey open back and have a hard time to pin point foot step in a game such as Apex. honestly i did think i am a weirdo who having a problem like this.
I blame apex for being a shit game
I cant get Halo man! I never really played it so starting on the new one is super hard to get into lol.
you know, I was never a halo fan ever, I gave this one a try and man love the MP, nice tactical play.When I play cod now it feels so fast, lol
@@TheTechne i cant adjust after playing so much fast paced stuff lol!
All SENNHEISERS have high clamp force out of the box except for the 8XX series of headphones those have way too loose of a clamp 5:17 my favorite part of the video
I own them and many other high-end headphones and these are worthy of being in my collection. Are they the best, if not, than pretty damn close lad. Thanks for the content. BTW, I also recommend a Zen2 or some reasonably powerful headphone amp to drive these bad boys to their full potential.
Would these be worth getting with XSX if I have an Astro MixAmp?
I have them for my series x with no amp, i love them. Only downsides are that they could be more comfortable and louder.
@@DanielFlores-fo1ee this is exactly why a mixamp/dac would be a good investment with this headphone.
Sennheiser HD58X jubile + schiit hel dac/amp + mod mic Wirelles best combo for Gaming
I recently bought the Epos H6 Pros and they scream quality.
they are regualrlly on sale picked mine up a week ago for 130 total
where did you get it, amazon?
I don't normally comments ever on KZhead but I have to leave one to appreciate your revisit. Bought the PC38X based on overwhelming reviews by everyone, and surprised by a relatively negative review from you TBH. But your comments are fair and I don't think you have to praise the product if everyone else does. Build quality is sub-par, but I quite like the sound. I know there would be compromises for a US$130 headset and I am fine with it. Competitive advantage is a STUPID idea IMHO. In any case, just like any audiophile, if you aren't completely satisfied with one headset, just buy another one!!! Keep up the stinkin good work!
Pc38x vs H6pro?
Someone make this dude a full metal pair of headsets, completely custom to his head. Not sure if he knows, but the build on headsets is not "exactly matched to your head size and with slots for your glasses and hat". I have a wide range of Sennheiser headphones and use them daily, for hours on a row. Heck, I usually put my headphones on my head without even listening to anything, they just become my second nature. Sure, at first they were a bit tight but they broke in pretty fast. That's what happens, they break in around your head, they are not a perfect fit out of the box.
Well, i watch ur videos i had hyperx orbit s(same with audeze), cloud2, blackshark v2 and I received pc38x last week, was bit afraid because of ur review. Since it took 25 days to receive to europe was almost impossible to return it. But man, this pc38x is great, i've never used something like that. Music is awesome. Specially apex legends is awesome with this. It has pure quality sound. But mic is not good for this price. I bought it to 129 usd, it worths nothing more. It would be great if this have mic like corsair hs80
I have orbit s. How do you compare them against the other three headsets you mention ?
@@ioanniskalogeropoulos3927 Idk why but i cant like the orbit s. Its too heavy for me. In every scenario 38x wins, but if i had to pick 2th it’d be blackshark v2. Orbit is just great on paper. I didnt use 7.1 tho maybe its good on 7.1
I wish companies would focus less on making mice lighter and focus more on making headsets lighter, especially wireless ones.
And here i was, thinking i was the only person on earth to have this opinion. I have tried the Razer Barracuda lately, they are 260 grams and incredibly comfortable AND wireless. In the end i had to return them because i couldnt get used to how close the audio sounds (ive been using the sennheiser game one for years now). Im still waiting for sennheiser/EPOS to release this headset but wireless and with a detachable microphone.
@@tatorios507 it’s incredibly weird. Like Corsair’s newest headset is over 400 grams. How is that even acceptable? Everyone knows less weight on your head is way more comfortable. The plantronics wireless headsets are very light and comfortable, but the sound isn’t quite up to par, so I’m in the same situation as you.
100% agree
Good for ps5?
Epos game one or h6pro? I need a new headset for Xbox
Interested to hear what people recommend for the series x. My stealth 700 gen 2s chat volume just effed up so in the market too
@@andrewsmith9241 yea for series x is hard to get good headset that is not like 300+
soon
Honesty to save you time, don't get the H6Pros at least the closed back ones. I bought them due to the positive reviews and they sound really bad. Like I have the Sennheiser GSP 302s and they are seriously MILES better in terms of sound and comfort. The H6pros sound very muffled and blends all the sounds of what your playing. The H6Pros lack all the treble like detail. I even tried Dolby Atmos's 10 band eq and they sounded slightly better but not $179.00. For me I will be sending mine back. The GSP 302s are still the best headset I've tried and I've tried a bunch. Plus they are like $60 bucks rn. I play games like Cod and Apex and hearing footsteps is critical, chests, etc. My GSP 302s, even after 4 years of ownership, sound great with incredible detail on the high end and just the right amount of bass with the mids being where they need to be.
My mic snapped off my PC38X after 8 mo of use. I like the sound quality but he is correct, the build quality is TRASH for the price point. NOT happy.
audeze penrose wireless or epos h3pro hybrid
Audeze all day
I want a senihesser headset
How would you compare these to the epos 3 or 6?
;) soon
@@TheTechne love the channel. Just bought the Epos H3 on Amazon for $79. Hopefully they don’t disappoint at that price point.
The sound is just like the og color right?
100% the same
Beyerdynamic TYGR 300R and Sennheiser 560S are better, cost 170 to 200$ Maximum depending on deals.
If this headset was made of something other than plastic and had a wireless feature, they would be a $250+ headset. The build is meant to keep the price point reasonable.
open back, open back...open back? open back. open back!
Are these still made by senheiser?
epos, use to make the senheisers
I like my Hyper X Cloud Alphas better. Returned them
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For me Doesn't make sense to make a open back gaming headset
They are made for heads the size of infants. Besides that they are the best on the market.
pc38x is pressing my glasses and it disturbs me as hell, otherwise great headset
They are good but not worth $180. There’s similar headsets cheaper. Like the Sennheiser game one for $120 the pc37x and few others.
you should be talking about headhpones itself bro not what is open back :)
it is not comfortable, the mic pics up too much background noise. its true
I’m not sure if I would recommend this review, I would say all reviews are biased and if you want to try something then give it a shot and see if it works out for you, reviews shouldn’t be the bar of whether to get a product or not
Audiophile guys on KZhead love this headset
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