AWD vs. 4x4: How do they perform Off-Road?
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( www.TFLtruck.com ) The 2016 Mitsubishi Outlander S-AWC is equipped with one of the more advanced AWD systems that works automatically. On the other hand, the 2016 Nissan Frontier 4x4 PRO-4X uses a 4x4 system that is controlled by the driver. How do they perform in the deep snow and on the steep Gold Mine Hill off-road test?
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You guys crack me up - Feel in Control - Proper 4 wheel drive - Felt like I was in a tank, and you got a few feet past where the Mitsubishi, dragging in the snow on street tires, got? Ha.
i will never understand the point of comparing drivetrains with different tires.
this is what AMD and 4WD can do without any modifications.
z3faran doesn't matter you aren't comparing the drivetrains when the tires are different.
so youre saying the mitsubishi has a chance of being a better offroader than a proper 4x4?
Rotating Cupboard of course, first of all tires are the most important factor when it comes to grip. If you have bad tires it doesn't matter how good your drive train is. I will give you an example, if the "proper 4x4" had street tires and the Mitsubishi had aggressive off road tires like the TA KO2's then it would walk all over the frontier.
so the tire difference is so drastic between the two in this video? i doubt that.
It's stupid to compare offroad performance using different tire types
It's not stupid, just their preference to show you a typical awd vs a typical/smart 4x4, offroad. Everyone is so slick with their opinions;)
and different vehicle types. "He even indicated it was "a wagon", but as a negative when in fact it has better weight distribution across front and back. Unless the pickup had extra weight, just like tires, it was apples and oranges. Additionally another component is that all wheel drive vehicles while having basic traction control elements, they typically do not have the stronger components, protection such as protective shielding, nor clearance specs. These all wheel drive vehicles are designed for climates such as winter driving ON roads, so merely have that additional ability for traction control. Take them off road, rock flies up, they drag, flex the frame and they are done. I see it all the time where these city people get a little over zealous thinking their AWD can go where 4 wheel drives can, get stuck, broke down, whatever. Just happened a few months ago where I was coming back down a modestly steep, but very rocky road. The guy has a brand new Outback, stops me and asks whats back there. I told him, then he said, "I was thinking of going back there, but will just park and walk". I said, "yeah, you don't want to try and take that up there, you won't make it". I guess that was the wrong thing to say, because he said "really?", looked at his wife, then proceeded up the road. Again this was modest, but there were some clearance issues and it was comprised of loose rocks. Sure enough, he got about 50 yards up, starts to have trouble, you hear a loud clang and then see smoke. A rock took out his radiator. Anyway, these AWD vehicles are great for all weather climates on blacktop, or maybe your occasional dirt road to the campground. But that is all. They just are not designed for the other stuff and you will incur some major costs in bent frames, or broken components if you think you can keep up. It takes more than applying power to multiple wheels.
T Shaf yea, but tires make all the difference. You get shit traction in awd or 4x4 with bald tires
They tested the vehicles with what kind of tires you paid for when you bought it off the lot.
In this video, you are not so much testing the differential systems as much as you are testing the tires.
+Nathan Scantling Yep. Tires mean EVERYTHING. My '15 Fiesta ST on snow tires does better in snow than my wife's '14 Nissan Rogue AWD on all-season tires. Tires can make a MASSIVE difference. I'd be interested to see how the Nissan and the Mitsubishi would stack up on this same terrain with the same or at least very similar tires.
+Nathan Scantling Bingo, not to mention all season low profile tires vs. those winter truck tires, no comparison, would have to say the outlander did shockling good in this test when you figure in the tire differences.
+Nathan Scantling Winter tires on both and putting the GT Outlander with the S-AWD might have been different. I used to work for Mitsu and drove every single model in deep Canadian snow, traction off and lock on works pretty damn good with the S-AWC. Now I drive a Subaru, my off roading videos are on my chan.
Kartboarder22G I agree, the Nissan only went 15ft with dedicated winter/all terrain tyres, the Mitsubishi with the same tyres would be a level field and suspect it would do much better
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That Mitsubishi has 4 lock as well. If it had winter/AT tires like the Frontier then it would have done just as well
of course you went further on the snow with the nissian all because you gained momentum by driving on the tracks made by the mitsubishi
And the tire to the outlander is on all terrain so thats not fair put bfk02 a/t on the outlander
100%
I am more impressed by the Outlander than the truck with snow tires and all the 4x4 options which only got further by like 10 feet...........lollllll
Totally Agree!!
Outlander shouldn't go first , Is a big advantage for Nissan frontier go second,
Turf Surf you shouldnt they are both crap
10 feet can make the difference between being hit by the semi-truck or not.The Nissan won using old-school technology and that's what counts.
Exactly. All the locking rear-diff, 4x4 nonsense looked super unimpressive. You aren't going anywhere in a foot of snow in almost any truck; hence Sno-Cats.
You should do a few snow comparisons ( with exact same tires ) of the different vehicles in a suburban setting which is where the majority of drivers drive... that would help to showcase the difference in the drive sysytems
I was just thinking the same thing if it had the same type of tires the Mitsubishi would have went farther having more clearance and more traction
Drove the Outlander during winter in Canada with winter tires on, have to say it was pretty damn good, did not have any traction problems and there was a lot of snow.
The only difference is which one has a limited slip diff or lockers. 4x4 vs AWD is irrelevant. However, 4x4 systems are generally more robust if it has a separate transfer case.
I'm really getting impressed by that Outlander. I am going to test drive one now. Thanks.
They are a great car, very underrated. I don't think North America gets the diesel? It has a real 6sp automatic transmission and class leading economy.
@@jasonb9652 They all shit out at around 100,000.Good Luck!
@@jasonb9652 The best AWD by far is Subaru Symmetric AWD!It would of beat both of those vehicles!
@@georgeortiz2631 100k miles? Gimme a break. Theres plenty of Outlanders for sale on Cars.com with 200k plus miles.
@@kylemas2005 Good Luck!Not like they were back in the 90s and early 2000s!
That Mitsubishi did really well. On normal tyres and being a family SUV, that's amazing. The 'propper' 4x4 only went a few feet further and benefitted from the 'ploughing' the Mitsubishi had already done. It got more momentum, expect being on Snow tyres!
Personally I’d like to see more awd set up with limited slip or electronic locking rear or both diffs.
"No vehicle could make it further" ... Lmao hang on, hold my beer!
Word!!!
I have toyota landcruise j120 and i drive in 50-60cm deep snow quite easy
Lmao!
Hold my beer!
this is great, these are the 2 models i'm leaning towards( older models). helped alot, thx
I've taken a 16 Outlander with the same 4 cylinder and awd on some somewhat steep trails and it actually performed way better than I thought. To be fair, the trail was dry and rocky, I wonder how it would've done if it was wet.
The outcome would've been even closer with similar tires on the Outlander.
This is a video I've waited a while for. The general opinion from the research that I've done is that AWD is best for inclement weather like wet or (lightly) snowy roads, and 4WD is best for off-roading. The reason I'd choose 4WD is that, in inclement weather, you can use 4-HI for roughly the same results as AWD, but almost no AWD vehicles can match the off-road capability you get with 4-LO.
4 hi splits power 50/50 with no variation though so you wouldn’t want to sit in this on long stints on like tarmac or non loose surfaces even if it’s snowing. Really depends but both seem to work fine lol 😂
Wrong. 6x6 and 8x8 are better for offroad than 4wd. Average 4x4 in US (800hp, rolling coal, 2m lift) wouldn't be able to do in same time what Patria 6x6 (or even old PaSi) can do.
@@UltraCasualPenguin Not sure what the point of this is. Yes, 6x6 and 8x8 are going to be better than 4x4 off-road; that's kind of a given. Aside from heavy commercial/military trucks though, there's virtually no street legal 6x6 or 8x8 vehicles. The only ones I can think of are the Ram T-Rex and the G-Wagen 6x6, both of which are pretty rare and VERY expensive. But yeah, either of those are going to do better than a 4x4. But the fact that you think the "average 4x4 in the US" is a bro truck tells me that A, you don't live in the US, and B, you don't have a great idea of what 4x4's in the US are like. Bro trucks are not even CLOSE to being "the average 4x4." Of course, none of this is really relevant because nobody was talking about 6x6's or 8x8's to begin with.
@@MultiPurposeReviewer You said 4wd is best for offroad and that all wheel drive (which includes 6x6, 8x8, 10x10 etc.) is only good for shopping.
@@UltraCasualPenguin This video (and my comment) have nothing to do with number of wheels; they are about the actual systems that drive the wheels. Yes, AWD _technically_ also applies to vehicles with more than 4 wheels; that's not the point of the video at all. Between AWD and 4WD, _from a mechanical standpoint,_ 4WD is best for off-roading. As for your second point, nowhere did I say that AWD is only good for shopping. That is a blatant fabrication.
Great camera, always great videos!
I like this video quite a bit.It taught me a lot about my 2005 Chevy Trailblazer's capabilities and to have more confidence in AWD. It has an on dash selector nob to switch between 2wd, awd, 4wd high, and 4wd low. Not bad. I love my suv
Thanks for posting, a good video. If you had put snow chains on both vehicles for test as well I would have been really impressed
Rob G; why would you be impressed??
Paying extra money for the 4*4 and special tyres just for 10-15 feet?!!!
If they took L200 they will go much further than the poor Nissan did.
That could be the difference between being stuck or getting out of muddy situation lol
15 feet on that test only. The test was designed to fail the vehicles and not test how much better one is than the other. There isn't a comparison when one vehicle with 4wd and differential lock and the other doesn't have all 4 wheels with diff lock. Essentially the 4wd can do everything the AWD did but not the reverse. The only time an AWD might be better when trying to hold a perfectly straight line on a very slippery surface and you only want 1 wheel having power because the other might break traction. But that would have to be such a rare situation that the 4wd with diff lock would do essentially as well or better than AWD
thank you from the bottom of my heart for this great review .
Great video guys!
Mitsubishi is a pioneer when it comes to 4WD Vehicles. Mitsubishi started manufacturing 4WD Vehicles way before Toyota, Nissan, GM, Chrisler and Ford. Mitsubishi SUVs are well known across the world. Specially Mitsubishi Pajero (Montero) is a legendary SUV. Unfortunately, North American people don't realize the value and quality of Mitsubishi.
+Asitha Jay It may be the first, it did not make it the last to finish the first.
+Asitha Jay Mitsubishis are built very cheaply. Extremely thin metal that rusts easily, nasty cheap tic tac plastics, and under-powered motors. No thanks.
+juppongatana773 You must be an idiot. Indeed! Mitsubishi vehicles last for ever even in extreme driving conditions like in Canada where road salt is used a lot.
Asitha Jay Why are you name calling me? Did I name call you? me calling you bald and shit-colored doesn't invalidate your point. I am not big on Ad-hominem attacks so I will say for people to check USnews car rankings. You will learn that they have low reliability as ranked by JDPowers,and nearly always maligned by professional reviewers from car and driver, KBB, etc. Mitsubishis are only popular in third world countries and Japan. They don't sell well in America or Europe because they are low quality.
+juppongatana773 Mitsubishi is very popular all over the world including in the most richest countries such as England, Germany, Australia, etc. However, Mitsubishi is not popular in North America due to two reasons. 1) Government wants to protect its Domestic Auto Industry 2) North Americans have a waste full mindset when it comes to fuel economy. For example, Mitsubishi Models such as the Pajero and Lancer are sold all over the world....YOU REALLY ARE AN IDIOT!!!!
You give part of the difference yourselves. The mitsubishi has AWD with ALL SEASON tires where the "proper" 4x4 (the nissan) has actual WINTER tires. OBVIOUSLY this will give better results for the 4x4. Clearance also help to get you further. To be honest. This socalled comparison is in my opinion useless for various reasons including the 2 already mentioned. Different ground clearance and different types of tires. To make the comparison reasonable they should have same type of tires (preferably same make, model and size) and also the ground clearance should be the same or at least reasonably similar.
We got about 22 inches of snow in that same storm. My wife's 2016 Pilot with near new snow tires plowed though everything with ease with its AWD and snow terrain mode. Admittedly it did not try anything steep like Gold Mine though. I agree with other commentators that at lot of this is down to the tire and also the Nissan had the advantage as the Outlander had already plowed some of the snow. Still I like the show (especially that you're local). Keep it up.
I'm glad to see Mitsubishi bringing out a nice SUV. I hope Mitsubishi comes back. I want Subaru, Mitsubishi and Ford duke it out with their 300+Hp AWD cars. More competition is the way to go.
Outlander its a cross over montero sport will be better
Mitsubishi AWD systems are amazing and very reliable!
heard subura has the best awd system, but their cars are lower than most
@@xophaser Iv seen a subaru wagon stock height TOW school bus through deep mud. Their ride height suprisingly doesnt handicap them much.
I own an Outlander 4WD works amazing both on and off road.
Wish the Mitsubishi was the GT trim with the v6 and awd. I have a 2012 Outlander GT with the 3.0L v6 awd and the thing is really impressive got us through some crazy snow storms when we used to live in New England and kept on moving with the stock Goodyear eagle LS2 all-season tires.
+THEDESTROYER711 My outlander GT was pretty awesome; the S-AWC is actually closer to the EVO than the regular AWC... better toque vectoring
I love the thing my only issue with it is its to fun to drive fast haha. Other than that its a great car 110mph+ its as smooth as 75 haha
Just one test? I was hoping that both vehicles would have the same tires and would be put through multiple off road scenarios. I think this one needs to be revisited.
You're surprised? This channel is fucking brutal
Actually I'm not
These are the guys that do 0-60 tests with a smartphone at high altitude.
The Frontier 4x4 PRO-4X is a 3 wheel drive system. It has a locking rear diff, but an open front diff.
Sweet video I'd like to see more comparisons like this
Obviously "all season" tires are far from snow tires, but do you think both vehicles would have done better if they were equiped with snow tires?
Only so much better. Snow tires are not made to drive in the conditions that they were in. For deep snow like they were in, you would need a more aggressive off-road tire that can grip the snow and eject the clumps of snow from the treads to keep them clear for good traction. My pickup is a 07 Chevy Silverado 2500hd Classic 4x4 and I have Cooper Discoverer S/T Maxx tires on it. I drove it in about 12-13 inches of fresh snow and never had a problem in 4 high.
an old farmer once told me the only difference between 2wd and 4wd is 50' of chain.
terrplmb that’s funny
Great video, investing in a real old fashion 4X4 off road SUV (or truck) is the safest play for the future, you don't know when we are gonna need it and when you do, you want it to work.
thank you. keep up the good work
Obviously a 4wd with low set of gears is way more capable. But AWD Outlander gets 23mpg. That Frontier you are lucky to see 15mpg. Over 10 years, That Frontier will end up costing you $8000 extra, just in fuel alone. Now, is a low range and locker worth that much? Depends.
Yes, it sure depends on where a person lives and how often he will have to drive in deep snow. Most of the time, though, I say it is better to buy the overall more comfortable, less costly vehicle and put good tires on it. Also, keep a shovel in the trunk. I've followed that logic and it hasn't failed me yet. I'm also thinking of buying a set of snow chains, which I'll hardly ever need, but it sure will be a good peace of mind having them in the trunk.
Next time before you hit a logging road like this, air down your tires for fuck's sake.
I've been offroading for years, beach, mud, inlands soft sand, snow in a Frontier and light truck tyres, and cant tell you all "YES AIRING DOWN MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE". Depending on the surface, I drop down from road pressure of 44psi to 18psi or even lower if needed. Correct tyre pressure can be the difference between make it safely to your destination, or get stuck and/or damage the truck
Love my 2016 sv 4x4 frontier. got me through a lot of treacherous weather conditions. would never choose another 4x4
I have the Outlander 2016 here in Montreal, Canada but the tires on it, the 4 season ones, are only legal here until the 15th of December. After this date we need to put snow tires on our cars. All this to say, I certainly did not try these tires in snow as it is illegal yet I am impressed when I see the Outlander in your test drive that stable with that amount of snow on that type of trails with these stock 18 inch 4 season street tires. Speaking of which I have an appointment this Friday to put back these 4 seasons tires :)
Make a video about tire chains being used in mud, dirt, and snow
That's one of the nicest Pro-4x Frontiers I've seen!
Thanks for making these videos! I'd love to see an off-road comparison between the new Crosstrek and Jeep Compass Trailhawk.
Great video 👌 Mitsubishi has a great AWD system . I hope the camera guy is ok after his fall 5:55.
I would like to see the Power Wagon perform during very similar conditions.
But the awd already made tracks. Should of tried the awd again after the 4x4. To make real numbers
That's a nice Nissan truck. That snow was terrible. I got around okay in it in my Cherokee but didn't drive very far. Might get the same junk this weekend.
LOL at the attached cameras falling off! Happened to Roman on the Mercedes G65 too, haha! :D
what i would like to know is when the hell Nissan North-America intends to bring over the All-new Nissan NP-300 Navara/ Frontier to America, that thing been on sale for almost two years now but yet they continue to sell the previous generation here.
not really fair if only one has at tyres
Although we don't get a lot of Snow down under it really proved the Mitsubishi is a great SUV. We have 2 Outlanders in the family at the moment a 2003 and a 2010. Both are great cars. Saying that we really stuck with a good product with a 2015 and a 2016 Mitsubishi Lancers and a 2002 Mitsubishi Magna (Diamanté in the US) in the family . We love our Mitsubishi.
My 2016 Kia Sorento 4cyl AWD, 7.3 ground clearance, with Hankook Kinergy ST standard touring all-season tire, with locking all 4, and traction control off, is beast in a foot of snow. Comes down to tires and driver no matter what.
I have a good idea, let's drive in snow without winter tires.
Good video. But one question of all the cars/trucks to choose from, why did you choose the Mitsubishi Outlander and Nissan Frontier?
+Jesse Simmons Pretty simple. The Outlander has one of the more advanced AWD systems (aka. S-AWC). And the Frontier has a more traditional 4x4 system.
+The Fast Lane Truck I hate to say it, but it's also a stupid comparison In an off road setting. the Nissan has basically everything it needs to go on all kinds of terrain. With deep snow like this, the Mitsubishi couldn't even try to go up. I mean, it may have awd, but with that snow, you need a lot more to get up it. Then the Nissan comes in. I can tell, it has big and beefy tires with lots of teeth to dig into the ground. It has higher ground clearance so if there's a rock or something, it can roll right over it. Not to mention the 4X4, so if your in 2wd and you get stuck, then you can just pull right out. if your in that Mitsubishi and you get stuck, your stuck period. Also, that's a full sized truck, with a bigger engine, more power and more traction. it's competitor which only has a tiny 4cy couldn't match. So this was a pointless match.
those tires on the Nissan are not snow tires. They are all season and they're what it comes with from the factory. They are more aggressive than the Mitz though.
+will meadows Yet they were about even, the Nissan went 10 feet further (using the tracks that the Mitsubishi had made)
+nissanlord ATM all terrain mud
The other day I drove my wifes 16 Rav 4 with AWD in snowy conditions and on snowy city streets and Hiways it does pretty well compared to my Tacoma. My Tacoma with Good year Wrangler Duratracs is unreal in the snow....I can drive 100km/h on snow covered hiways in 4hi with not much dram at all...but the RAV is pretty darn good to with Michelin Latitude winter tires. The big advantage a truck has is ground clearance compared to a small SUV.
These types of videos are entertaining and cool to watch, but really, at the end of the day it is more useful to talk about choice of tires, than the drivetrain. Yes, there is something to be said about one drivetrain vs the other, but in real life tire compound and tread pattern have proven to be more of a game changer than the drivetrain of the car.
Hey Nathan, Goober says hey.
i think a better test would be testing both systems in mud, gravel and sand
Just a clarification, the difference between AWD and 4wd is the transfer case. AWD allows for slip between the front and rear axles. A 4wd system will allow the transfer case to be locked between the front and rear axles, and cannot be used on high traction (ie: pavement) surfaces. Having power sent between various wheels is an additional feature. AWD has been around since 1974 when Jeep introduced the Quadra-Trac in its line of Full Size Jeeps. But this system did also have an emeergency drive system that locked the center differential.
Incorrect. Manual Subaru's have mechanical center differentials that are locked to a 50/50 split.
FCFordLord You are misunderstanding what I said. They do have a 50:50 split, but it is not locked, it uses a viscous coupler to allow slippage between the two axles. A locked t-case (ie: part time 4wd) results in all sorts of binding and marking of tires when turning on pavement. This is because the front axle travels farther than the rear when turning. So they have to be allowed to turn at different speeds.
I want your guys opinion here I have a honda crv 2004 (gen 2) awd I love going on the beach and offroading, you guys think i should invest in all terrain tires ?
+Matt Kingsley we would not
+Matt Kingsley I think you should invest in a new car
Nissans are ugly.
subaru
Its done more than you would think, it has been through 1'1/2 of snow and been on the beach a few times
Should have used a Crosstrek, lighter then any of them, same ground clearance as the Pro4X, and sends power to all 4 wheels unlike the Outlander.
The Mitsubishi did well. A CVT, Less ground clearance, a whimsy motor etc. Good review guys.
I think you guys should have test the trucks on rocks and maybe in mud and sand. In this video you did a comparaison between a AWD truck with all summer tires versus a 4x4 truck with way better snow tires... in snow only. Would have been better with same tires and more types of terrain
can u take the jeep cherokee trailhawk on gold mine hill. PLEASE I love that jeep.
+footballhawks1 Ive got one, great vehicle, that fucker goes through anything. I beat the shit out of it too.
Not a fan of AWD vehicles but come on. What kind of comparison is it if you don't have the same kind of tires on both vehicles? Also airing down could have helped quite a bit. I'd take that Nissan any day over that other thing.
I've been up the trail from the Switzerland Trail to Gold Hill several times. You guys would have had an adventure on your hands with any 4wd vehicle even if the trail were dry; the climb is a pretty steep one. I once wrestled a Jeep Patriot up that little climb and it STRUGGLED. Not the best 4wd vehicle, that's for sure. My old FJ could climb it like it was a lump in the ground, though.
good thing you didn't shoot the video this coming weekend. that's probably going to be the amount of snow were going to have everywhere. how do you think an xterra or a power wagon would do?
This test doesn't really prove anything other than the Mitsubishi cannot lock the rear end. A lot of '4x4' systems still don't have locking rear diffs anyways. A really good way to test these two cars would be to equip them both with the same snow tires then compare them. You also have to consider total weight and weight distribution. This test didn't prove if the AWD could send a lot of power to the rear or anything. A little bit more scientific method in these videos would actually provide useful information instead of just saying 'oh the truck feels better offroad.'
Should've chosen a Forester with XMode.
I liked the Chevy Traverse I owned once. Snow deeper than what the AWD here got stuck in, and I didn't have to select a mode, it just worked, and I never got stuck. Even on major hills.
+Scott Wilkins I have a Chevy Traverse and the AWD system is not all that great when you get off road. The only thing it's really good for is giving you added traction when taking off from a stop light and on road snow conditions, which it handles well... beyond that it is very front wheel drive bias and doesn't provide enough power to the rear wheels to when your fronts lose traction during off road driving. Also the Traverse is geared very high, with no low range, so when trying to go uphill you have to give it a lot of gas to get the thing moving which makes it difficult to minimize wheel spin.
you guys should buy a set of 4 rollers and compare all cars you test on the rollers to take away the tire variable, its a good way to see how different systems work.
so why would you put an suv vs truck? and why street tires vs all terrain? this is a bull shit vs video. should do a suv vs suv with the same tires on both vehicles. if you want a good vs video.
Plus, it's a Crossover, not a Sport Utility Vehicle. Car vs. Truck.
so to conclude, 4x4 and rear locking differential is garbage if stacked against a rally bred awd system (remember, Mitsubishi didn't have snow tires or else it would have gone further).
would love to see a test with the same tires on both vehicles. 4x4 vs awd
At 4:17 you have to love the fact ATM means so many different things to different people lol!
What about an all-wheel drive Astro van
Lol. What are you from the 90s..there 3 k vs 30 k. You got to spend spend spend...I own a Astro...and it’s great
Ok so an unfair compare and contrast video. You all should have give each vehicle a set of the Dynapro AT-M tires. That way we could actually see which vehicle will do better or at least give each vehicle a fair chance.... That goes for any video. I think that the little Mitsubishi would've done better with better shoes on.... It PROBABLY wouldn't have done as well as the Nissan but give it the same tires and who know maybe it would've kept up. I say unfair competion and a do over is a must
Do you think the S-AWC of the Outlander PHEV, has the same offraod peformance as the version tested?
Living in the mountains for 20 years, with 10 of them off logging roads at 9,000 feet... Jeep Wrangler Rubicon with studded winter snow tires and front & rear lockers in LOW (which in the Rubi is VERY LOW) can not be beat except by snowmobile. It can be amped up another level with chains.
Can somebody please explain what is the difference between AWD,4wd, and 4X4
mark rakov - Sure. 4x4 is a technical term applied to a much broader range of vehicles. The first digit indicates the number of wheels, while the second indicates number of wheels driven by the engine. So a large truck may be 8x4, 8x8 or 8x2. 4x4 means that the vehicle has four wheels, and that the engine and drivetrain is connected to all four. A 'normal' car in comparison would be 4x2. The designation doesn't concern itself with how the drive works, so an AWD and a traditional system are both 4x4. AWD means All Wheel Drive. 4WD means the same, on a vehicle with four wheels. AWD typically used though, to refer to non-traditional 4x4 systems. A traditional 4x4 system for off-road vehicles consists of a transmission that has two output shafts, that are dedicated to each axle of the vehicle. Usually only one is engaged, but by locking a center differential, the driver can manually select to engage both, turning the vehicle from 4x2 to 4x4. Note, that this is manually selected by the driver. Usually, these systems also include a reduction gear box, that increases the torque output going from the engine to the wheels. This is often referred to as low-range. Typically, these vehicles will have levers or buttons that allow the driver to select e.g. 2Hi, 4Hi and 4Lo. In addition, they may also have lockable differentials on one or more axles - typically either the rear axle or both axles. These are usually actuated/locked by the driver manually, using buttons. Systems like these are heavy and consists of a lot of components. Since a locked differential can only split the engine torque in a predefined ratio, they must also have an over capacity in the engine, since even 25% of the engine torque must be sufficient to move the vehicle up a certain gradient, in the event where only one wheel has traction. These components are also quite heavy and quite large, and are thus mostly suited for larger vehicles. They severely impact fuel economy of the vehicle. AWD systems are a different method to achieve the "same" result. Instead of bulky transfer cases and differentials, a compact clutch pack is installed at either the transmission or the rear axle (typically). This clutch pack replaces the center differential, and can gradually switch the engine torque from typically 100/0 % front/rear to upwards of 5/95 % front/rear. Instead of lockable differentials, these systems typically utilize the stability control of the vehicle to detect wheelspin and apply braking power to that individual wheel, achieving a similar result to a lockable differential, although it's reactive rather than proactive. This system construction adds a lot fewer components, and there for takes up much less space, and weighs much less. This allows these systems to be built into normal, compact cars - e.g. a Volkswagen Golf is available with AWD since 1990. The impact to fuel economy is a lot less as well. They also don't have to rely on a massively oversized engine, as the more sophisticated systems can send virtually all engine power to just one wheel if needed. These systems are not necessarily designed for off-road use however, and are typically less capable off road. Rather than a lever or buttons labelled 2Hi, etc. some systems will have a button that locks the AWD in a state where it doesn't disengage the clutch that distributes power front/rear. This is usually referred to as AWD Lock. Not all systems have it though, as it is essentially only needed on systems that are not sophisticated enough to do the job properly on their own. AWD are available under a range of marketing terms, such as AWD, Quattro, 4Motion, Syncro, 4Matic, X-drive, etc. etc. These systems are all different, and the main deciding factor in how well the vehicles perform are typically driver ability, mounted tires and the effectiveness of the stability control/AWD system, in that order. I hope this cleared it up somewhat for you.
yes! thank you so much, i willbe buying a awd car!
torsen type 3 center differential s a permanent mechanical AWD (40 front 60 rear). Audi Q5 quattro 2009-2012 had this technology (Toyota owned technology). It is the best AWD system ever built. Combined this with 7 speed S-tronic transmission with award winning Valve Lift engine technology 211HP 2.0 tfsi and you have the best SUV in the world. Torsen type 3 centre differential, 40:60 'default' split front-rear, automatically apportioning up to 80% of the torque to one axle using a 4:1 high-biased center differential. With the aid of ESP, up to 100% of the torque can be transferred to one axle.
AWD's (also called softroaders sometimes) typically do not come with a low range gear box, once you start climbing hills you will want a low range gear box, high range seems to have enough power on bitumen roads however when you have less traction offroad low range is often needed for the torque. AWD's really are not intended to be used for much more than graded dirt roads.
Supreme Commander Thor AWD systems are not created equal. Some are permanent mechanical type, and some electronically engaged and some have a center locking differential. The low gear AWD performance is also dependent on torque capability of transmission system. CVT has no interlocking gear capability and tends to slip at high torque output requirements. CVT compared to s-tronic is at least limited. I have a Q5 TFSi 2009-2012 prefacelift fitted with Goodyear M&S all season tyres and it is the ultimate machine. We also owe a CR-V 4th gen AWD with 5 speed with +3 cm H&R lifting springs. Its AWD can transfer up to 40% rear torque. Audi torsen type C can transfer up to 80%.
ATM... I see what you did there :)
+Dungzoo lol, so did Nathan!
I have driven my 2014 Outlander GT V6 6pd auto through 8 inches of snow seamlessly. I've muscled it through 10 inches. That is with the all season tires.
Momentum is the key then skill then the right tires..... I've been able to go thru some similar stuff with my 2wd Silverado but I'm skilled at doing it
4x4 vs best AWD is Subaru Forester
tobleruno go get a real SUV there guy or u just someone with no moves who likes a shitty car company
They're ugly but it's won SUV of the year twice in recent years. Research helps out tremendously, so you don't look stupid in commenting.
+tobleruno with its tiny tires and almost no clearance, it can only compete with other AWD soccer mom SUVs. 4x4 is in a whole another league that your naive mind simply cannot comprehend.
Vitamin B The Forester has more ground clearance than most SUV's, including most Jeeps. It has a better drivetrain, in terms of reliability and offroadability, than most other SUV's and Jeep's.
I heard you don't really get the full potential out of a Forrester unless you're munching carpets and slamming clams though.
you MUST be kidding. unless that hill is far steeper than it looks in the vid, which you should explain/show in your vid. And 4-low is not appropriate for those conditions. Nor is locking the rear AFTER being stuck. 4-hi, locked, momentum beats snowy hills, not 4-low and flooring it...
mike force I know! stupid methods and stupid comparison... they need to reduce variables before doing comparisons and it should be done with someone who knows the difference between slippery snow road and high steep road...
what people don't consider when comparing 4 wheel drives is whether or not they have solid axels or independent suspension. you will always find vehicles with solid axles have allot less weakness and are allot cheaper an easier to maintain than independent setups. plus it adds allot more predictability to driving characteristics offroad, due to one wheel being push down as the other raises. that's why a landrover defender and Suzuki jimny are so capable.
Hey TFL I am a Colorado native, where are these trails you guys are always going on? I only know of a few.. but it isn't where you are. I want to take my Titan up them. Are they ATV trails as well? Thanks!
Should have just used a subaru! geez!
cvt transmissions suck for offroad
Well, I was kind of disappointed with this video. It would be much more entertaining if you would have created a demolition derby on the narrow precarious, winding roads, that ended in a supernova of flames down the mountain.
+Troy Strain These youtubers would only be happy with that if they had the same tires.
Oh that's interesting, my dad has a 2016 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV, that could be good in offroading, because it has two individual electric motors for front and back and also has a 4WD Lock button, I guess we're gonna try its offroad capabilities at some point. But the stock tires are pretty cheap ones, maybe we'll get some new high quality ones.
Good video. However, one correction. If you lock the rear diff it has to cancel your traction modes. The whole point of a locked diff is it turns both rear wheels at the same speed regardless of traction. That’s the whole point of a rear diff locker.
Wouldn't you need snow chains?
Rationalist Society not necessairly chains but winter tires yea but anericans are dumb
Come on guys dont fall into lame content. At least change the title. All Season vs Off Road tires in a snowy terrain.
love the fast lane! but Nathan's & Andre's mic was clipping in the beginning - hard to hear
have you guys considered taking some driving classes? I regularly drive through 12+ inches of snow in Maine with my pro 4x with no issues. and why are you trying to shift from 4 low to 4 high on the fly?
any Subaru would have made that hill it's bitch, not counting brz
Stupid video. U can't compare using two different cars with a v6 vs 4cyl. And different tires. Doesn't make sense. These guys look n sounds clueless
Nice Video , but tires and groundclearence is different and that makes quite a difference 👍