Myanmar conflict: Insurgent groups and the military junta battle for control | DW News

2024 ж. 12 Мам.
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In Myanmar, fierce fighting between insurgent groups and the military government is pushing the nation towards collapse. Tens of thousands of people have been killed in the ongoing battle for control. A central point in the battle has been the town of Myawaddy on Myanmar's eastern border with Thailand.
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00:00 Myanmar junta battles insurgent groups
02:52 Jason Tower, Country Director Burma Program
06:31 Mark Farmaner, Director of Burma Campaign UK
#myanmar #junta #myawaddy
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  • Thank you for keeping Myanmar in the news.

    @mitsunori222000@mitsunori22200018 күн бұрын
    • Israel and Ukraine are way more important to be completely honest with you

      @draculastraphouse7863@draculastraphouse786317 күн бұрын
    • Gaylord​@@draculastraphouse7863

      @user-wq5rh9cn4e@user-wq5rh9cn4e17 күн бұрын
    • @@draculastraphouse7863please explain why

      @duk2k@duk2k17 күн бұрын
    • ​@@draculastraphouse7863 why?

      @ladelllarkins407@ladelllarkins40717 күн бұрын
    • ​@@draculastraphouse7863🤮🤮

      @mustaqim9812@mustaqim981217 күн бұрын
  • i like people in Myanmar they are good PuBG player, i have many friends before, now they don't play anymore because of war

    @miccrewwave457@miccrewwave45717 күн бұрын
    • Sad to hear that. Hope they are alright. The resistance forces will win this, try to contact your government and tell them to support Myanmar.

      @Greatshadowfighter@Greatshadowfighter17 күн бұрын
    • PUBG is just a place to practice they are playing the real PUBG now

      @nymeria2609@nymeria260917 күн бұрын
    • Man, I'm from Myanmar and i guarantee that many pubg players are playing in real life now

      @lwinmoehein2894@lwinmoehein289417 күн бұрын
    • This is the most random comment about Myanmar that hits close to the heart.

      @waitun786@waitun78615 күн бұрын
    • yeah pubg is popular in Myanmar. I am from Myanmar and yeah we have to relinquish our hobbies just because our country in unstable.

      @mariatrinitymya8618@mariatrinitymya86184 күн бұрын
  • We're Malaysian love our brothers Burmese 🇲🇾❤🇲🇲

    @srikandisuryavarman222@srikandisuryavarman22216 күн бұрын
  • Democracy for the people of Myanmar!

    @ProssperityMagnetPhilippines@ProssperityMagnetPhilippines17 күн бұрын
    • demoncrazy freedom - so old so boring so tired - look at usa

      @bobevans9996@bobevans999615 күн бұрын
    • @@bobevans9996 "so old so boring so tired" prob u projecting more than anything m8

      @My_cool0@My_cool014 күн бұрын
    • @@bobevans9996 yes democracy lasts totally agree, authoritarian states eventually fail

      @ukchatman4920@ukchatman492013 күн бұрын
  • Has anyone looked at how Thai military government support for the Junta has changed since the public elections in Thailand was overwhelmingly against the Thai military government???

    @cartereducation1@cartereducation117 күн бұрын
    • ตอนนี่กระเหรี่ยง 3กลุ่มตีกันเพราะแย่งผลประโยชน์ ผู้นำกะเหรียงแย่งผลประโยชน์ประชาชนอยากได้อะไรใครสนเหรอ โลกสวย

      @user-is1ck5uk8f@user-is1ck5uk8f17 күн бұрын
    • @@user-is1ck5uk8f I work with a NGO that has helped some Karen people to settle here in Finland. They seem lovely people, but I've met them only once though.

      @FinUgShiet@FinUgShiet17 күн бұрын
    • Thai military government was trash af. The current government isnt much better but at least it is a step in the right direction. Hopefully, one day Move Forward will get their chance in the government, unless the conservatives try to ban them again...

      @LethargicShaman@LethargicShaman16 күн бұрын
    • thailand is plagued by its military as myanmar is plagued by its military. a military is only for defense, ideally a government runs the country.

      @GaryGraham-sx4pm@GaryGraham-sx4pm14 күн бұрын
    • @@FinUgShiet Thanks for saying that. I am a Kayin ( karen) girl and I am happy when people say good things about us cus we are truely honest people. Its a pity that we are treated like trash by the myanmar government. I just hope we will be ale to have our own country in the future....

      @mariatrinitymya8618@mariatrinitymya86184 күн бұрын
  • Unfortunately China and Russia raised dictators in Myanmar but no one mentioned it.

    @jvtp1@jvtp115 күн бұрын
    • where do you think rebels got their weapon?

      @umbrellastudio7481@umbrellastudio748112 күн бұрын
    • Facts

      @13VINCENT509@13VINCENT50910 күн бұрын
    • unfortunately America and Europe supply weapon to Ukraine and israel

      @fajarkurniawan9434@fajarkurniawan94343 күн бұрын
  • I am an Indonesian, we hope Myanmar gets Peace Agreement across all parties involved as soon as possible, and bring the true republic to its people, have a peaceful election and then they have elected President like Indonesia. Peace be with Myanmar!

    @marendradika@marendradika17 күн бұрын
    • first they have to kick out cia

      @bobevans9996@bobevans999615 күн бұрын
  • Glad atleast one media outlet is still keeping us updated on this war

    @Siko7000@Siko70004 күн бұрын
  • Someone really need to check Burmese-English dictionaries for discrepancies. Burmans seem to think the use of “junta” and “rebels” imply that the PDF are a bunch of usurpers from the mountains, which is the opposite of what the media actually means. So to clarify: - “junta” is a negative word, implying that the current government was formed through forceful usurpation by a bunch of generals. - “rebels” is a neutral word which denotes anyone fighting the current political system. So you can say “the PDF are heroic rebels restoring the legitimate government” and there’d be no problem with that.

    @hieutranminh3277@hieutranminh327717 күн бұрын
    • It's because years of military junta's brainwashing education that made them think "rebel" is a bad word. I keep reminding my fellow Burmese with Star Wars examples.

      @tommykaung5882@tommykaung588215 күн бұрын
  • Not rebels People defense force

    @user-yx5ft2ew2x@user-yx5ft2ew2x17 күн бұрын
    • Chill, “rebels” is not a bad word. You can say the PDF are heroic rebels restoring the legitimate government and there’d be no problem with that.

      @hieutranminh3277@hieutranminh327717 күн бұрын
    • Dumb , do you even know meaning of rebels 😂

      @emperoroak7331@emperoroak733117 күн бұрын
    • Rebels for sure. They don't know their election was rig by the westerners.

      @michealryu3090@michealryu309017 күн бұрын
    • "people defense force" sounds to communist

      @captainstag8189@captainstag818916 күн бұрын
  • If the current government loses will the name change back to Burma ?

    @spicyroads@spicyroads18 күн бұрын
    • There is no govt . It's a fight between Military which overthrown the govt. Of take control VS the minority group who are upset about it .

      @Shucasm@Shucasm17 күн бұрын
    • Likely not since the name Burma excludes to a great extend the minorities that are non Burmese

      @JaaoeztBakker-xd9vd@JaaoeztBakker-xd9vd17 күн бұрын
    • @@JaaoeztBakker-xd9vd The old name represents the old time when minorities region were given self-rule and rights. So it is highly possible that they will change the name back to Burma. "Union of Myanmar" on 18 June 1989 started the looting of minorities land and wealth. It is important to note that the minority wanted to be left alone. They won't see changing of name to include them in positive light.

      @cck4863@cck486317 күн бұрын
    • A vast majority of people call it Myanmar.

      @kc_1018@kc_101817 күн бұрын
    • @@cck4863 Doubt that, the Karen and other ethnic do not have the same mother tongue and blood as the Burmans.

      @asian0665@asian066517 күн бұрын
  • Let there be peace. At least the world will know what exactly is happening in Myanmar.

    @Ignacio268@Ignacio26817 күн бұрын
    • it's like that since british mess up asia - old news

      @bobevans9996@bobevans999615 күн бұрын
    • This is happenning now Mr. Evans.

      @Ignacio268@Ignacio26814 күн бұрын
  • I have many friends in Myanmar before, we played COC, now nobody is left.

    @mariopantaleon2956@mariopantaleon2956Күн бұрын
  • Everyone is rooting for you! Hopefully the junta is routed and democracy is reinstated from this dictatorship! 🇲🇲 🇺🇸

    @godsmacked1000@godsmacked100017 күн бұрын
    • What a puppet state for USA to encounter China 🤮

      @Chris14245@Chris1424517 күн бұрын
    • By democracy you mean a US puppet in power, right?

      @diegoflores9237@diegoflores923715 күн бұрын
  • As a indian we are worried about that country We want democracy in country

    @s.p.y.003@s.p.y.00317 күн бұрын
    • RSS/BJP doesn’t support Democracy they believe in one race one country uniform civil code .

      @Mr66Danzo@Mr66Danzo17 күн бұрын
    • You very right sir! This why we vote always for PM Modi ji and BJP! In bharat everyone equal! Except the peacefools and dalits they don't count.

      @user-pv2xy1og8h@user-pv2xy1og8h17 күн бұрын
    • India democracy on verge of dead.think about our own country first

      @ben2856@ben285617 күн бұрын
    • @@ben2856 hasnt done them any good.... still one of the poorest countries in the World even after 80 years of them running it

      @user-tz2ch1im3r@user-tz2ch1im3r17 күн бұрын
    • Now India is scared of PDF because they're fighting for democracy

      @nickykire2638@nickykire263815 күн бұрын
  • I must say DW news has been really keen on Myanmar lately.

    @dawn_alex@dawn_alex17 күн бұрын
    • because the NUG has scored some massive, crucial victories in the last few weeks - not huge battlefield ones, though they have won numerous battles - but in the fact that the people in the tatmadaw's home territory (urban areas) are abandoning them, their own forces are running, refusing to fight, surrendering, even joining the rebels. even the elderly generations have turned against the tatmadaw, which was an organisation VENERATED for generations by the burmese for its contributions to a 'liberated' myanmar.

      @DomWood@DomWood16 күн бұрын
    • Good - at least someone is bringing international coverage to a war that pretty much nobody outside SEAsia is paying attention to.

      @iiiiitsmagreta1240@iiiiitsmagreta124016 күн бұрын
  • Get your democracy, Resistance Forces. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

    @matthewjay660@matthewjay66017 күн бұрын
  • thanks for update Myanmar news

    @khinnyeinsett@khinnyeinsett8 күн бұрын
  • Some of the questions asked in the second segment are ridiculous

    @pauladams1211@pauladams121117 күн бұрын
  • save myanmar for democracy 😢

    @zrkohw6539@zrkohw653917 күн бұрын
    • demoncrazy freedom don't even work in usa🤣

      @bobevans9996@bobevans999615 күн бұрын
  • Glad to hear its still going well

    @stevinharper3551@stevinharper355115 күн бұрын
  • My question here is what will happen after the resistance takes over after the Junta? All these armed groups though all united to fight off a power which took over by force, how do we know some of this large armed groups won’t try and take power themselves or pressure the new government with another civil war if they aren’t given what they want?

    @hoohaa5088@hoohaa508817 күн бұрын
    • they will have to form a unified, elected government exactly because this sort of thing will happen if they don't. the NUG's main goal is to achieve that election, and to ensure representation of myanmar's many ethnicities (which are operating their own militias, largely). the explicit purpose of the NUG (and why the NUG is so unified) is dethroning the tatmadaw to hold that election. it's the diversity of these groups that unifies them, because they ALL need to share in this objective to achieve their own desires for their peoples. there will be dissenting factions and a few will perhaps choose violence, but it is unlikely to create a worse crisis or a more violent situation than the one the tatmadaw has created by murdering thousands of civilians in broad daylight.

      @DomWood@DomWood16 күн бұрын
  • Even if junta falls , opposition can end up fighting each other's and can become next Afghanistan if better sense doesn't prevail.

    @himanshugautam3405@himanshugautam340517 күн бұрын
  • Berita jarang di liput

    @Offlineforeverbyeby.@Offlineforeverbyeby.17 күн бұрын
  • Damn i didnt know the Junta had lost that much ground

    @CursetheVandal@CursetheVandal16 күн бұрын
  • That country collapsed years ago.

    @samsonsoturian6013@samsonsoturian601318 күн бұрын
    • Where is the US 😂😂

      @PeterLamin-pi6rv@PeterLamin-pi6rv18 күн бұрын
    • ​@@PeterLamin-pi6rvIt's China's playground, not US.

      @Einnstadten@Einnstadten18 күн бұрын
    • @@PeterLamin-pi6rv Outside.

      @mitsunori222000@mitsunori22200018 күн бұрын
    • ​@@EinnstadtenUS fine with anything happened to myanmar, as long as they not give china a way to outflow into indian sea

      @garfield2742@garfield274217 күн бұрын
    • The US is fine 👍🏾

      @HereWeald@HereWeald17 күн бұрын
  • Is there any possibilities of becoming the Burma in the hands of China... If the trades are to restricted between china and people in Myanmar...

    @fearlesssoul1040@fearlesssoul10409 күн бұрын
  • It sounds fishy that mechanized military is losing ground to insurgents. I guess either their training is not up to mark or they hesitating to took big action.

    @mufasserkhan7799@mufasserkhan779916 күн бұрын
    • nothing fishy about it, honestly. their soldiers are increasingly refusing to fight, or simply running. the tatmadaw has a huge airpower advantage too, but it turns out it's actually very hard to bomb rebels in the jungle, and it also turns out that revenge bombing their villages and families into ashes creates a lot more rebels. the tatmadaw have been unable, repeatedly, to draw rebel fighters into battles that favour the tatmadaw's raw strength, and they have found out the hard way how little loyalty the tatmadaw actually generates in its conscripted soldiers. the NUG has steadily taken territory by working inwards towards the large urban areas, forcing unmotivated tatmadaw units to either fight against highly motivated and organised rebel guerilla attacks, or to withdraw to more 'defensible' territory - they have been losing this war almost the whole time, inch by inch.

      @DomWood@DomWood16 күн бұрын
  • The hunta tactics of terrorising civilians have lost its terror now and people valiantly suffer their hardship with bright hopes for the future. Min yaung hlaing might be secretly shivering with fear.

    @jtchunga7699@jtchunga769917 күн бұрын
  • I have been following this story from the beginning. We are all concerned about this political instability issue.

    @jamesdelcol3701@jamesdelcol370113 күн бұрын
  • its inaccurate. Junta is not the peoples government. remember it was taken away from them by force.

    @venedictsantamaria6120@venedictsantamaria612017 күн бұрын
  • It is a sad state of affairs as Burma could have enjoyed a similar standard of living to that of China as it has rich resources. I think the use of drones has allowed the opposition groups to now have a better means to fight the junta but the West has shown little interest in helping. China has just been interested in exploiting the countries timber and mineral resources

    @davidboskett5581@davidboskett558117 күн бұрын
  • Best put a king on the throne

    @svenbreitwieser3427@svenbreitwieser342711 күн бұрын
  • Why mentioned as Gvrnmt? DW is always focus on accuracy. What happen now? Let me know who recognized as Gvrmnt?

    @teliat6242@teliat624217 күн бұрын
  • Myanmar new generation freedom.. not like china communities

    @milanocity9870@milanocity987017 күн бұрын
    • They were taught a hard lesson (in 1989).

      @user-4m9-dr80h4@user-4m9-dr80h417 күн бұрын
    • China is supporting the rebels. Unlike the west who just talks

      @fresagrus4490@fresagrus449017 күн бұрын
  • Share people

    @Whitesox216@Whitesox21617 күн бұрын
  • The new government is like will do north korea in myanmar lol

    @DDDDD0988@DDDDD098817 күн бұрын
  • An encresingly isolated dictatorship using drone strikes on their own civilians? A large coalition of "resistance" forces who want different futures for the country? I guess Alex Garland's Civil War was about Myanmar.

    @henryburby6077@henryburby607713 күн бұрын
  • Burmese military using chemical gas in battle ground.

    @ayepaw5197@ayepaw519717 күн бұрын
  • Bro no one knows where it’s at 😂

    @agustinlara2356@agustinlara235617 күн бұрын
    • Southeast Asia, blood. It borders Thailand.

      @shiptj01@shiptj0115 күн бұрын
  • Boba Fett looking soldier. Anyway, I wish nothing but peace to everyone.

    @user-cf2px2ko8y@user-cf2px2ko8y17 күн бұрын
  • Where is the UN?

    @arumforyou@arumforyou17 күн бұрын
    • What do you expect UN to do?

      @absentmindedshirokuma8539@absentmindedshirokuma853917 күн бұрын
    • @@absentmindedshirokuma8539 send a mission to monitor inside the country like they always do.

      @arumforyou@arumforyou17 күн бұрын
    • @@arumforyou they have done that multiple times.

      @absentmindedshirokuma8539@absentmindedshirokuma853917 күн бұрын
    • Being borderline useless as usual.

      @Oblivisci........@Oblivisci........17 күн бұрын
    • @@Oblivisci........ That’s their Mission for sure.

      @arumforyou@arumforyou17 күн бұрын
  • Who's supplying the rebels. I'd be surprised if the Chinese aren't involved with the Junta.

    @jacobkuntflapp@jacobkuntflapp16 күн бұрын
    • No one, its all the of the resistance effort Asean didnt want to intervene (as usual) but they did disinvinted myanmar until they resolved their issue, US is uninterested, India is also uninterested, china only wants the fighting away from its border

      @AnimaRandom@AnimaRandom16 күн бұрын
    • @AnimaRandom and just like North Korea, China will prop up the regime unless it deems it can work with the rebels.

      @jacobkuntflapp@jacobkuntflapp16 күн бұрын
  • Won’t be surprised if the normal junta army personnel’s turn against the military generals who have all the wealth and power and the soilders only face death for nothing , even the drive to conscript backfired and the conscript joined the independence freedom fighters , they lost the north and the drug monies that support the junta now they about to lose the south and the monies from the oil and gas . How long before they collapse since the maps shows the areas the junta is in control but the independence freedom fighters come from the areas shown as junta control. 😊.

    @Khagun_Kalki@Khagun_Kalki16 күн бұрын
    • they already are turning against the generals - many tatmadaw units have refused to fight, surrendered, simply run away or even joined the rebellion. they are mostly conscripts with little motivation to murder their own people for the tatmadaw, and the cruelty of the tatmadaw combined with their military failures has broken their spirits. there may eventually be a coup within the tatmadaw, but that will likely be some midranking commander realising he's gotta get ahead of the war crimes trials. it's quite possible that the NUG will simply win the war before that actually happens, lmao.

      @DomWood@DomWood16 күн бұрын
  • Around. The worlds. Africa. Have 🎉

    @user-ew3mq3jy4y@user-ew3mq3jy4y6 сағат бұрын
  • These ethnic groups are not rebel but they’re Revolutionary Armed Forces, but freedom fighters. Since Myanmar's military regime (military dictatorship) is attacking them and they are fighting back. The Myanmar communist regime has no right to control the borders of ethnic groups. Ethnic groups must control their borders and maintain their property independence. Many of my relatives are KNLA soldiers and veterans.

    @Artist_Knyaw@Artist_Knyaw17 күн бұрын
    • Freedom Fighters = Rebels Military Junta not Communists Regime

      @Siviks309@Siviks30917 күн бұрын
    • ​@@Siviks309yup yup

      @captainstag8189@captainstag818916 күн бұрын
  • Philpine and taiwan japan bigest suprted by mymar rebals

    @PrinceKmhero05@PrinceKmhero052 күн бұрын
  • UN Special Envoy (Noeleen Heyzer) Report still stands truly to date as:- 1. Public has lost (Complete) Trust in the junta/SAC/National Army; (Envoy's Statement) 2. Junta/SAC is manipulating (with whatsoever means it gets; ("Continuing" commit atrocities, human rights violations etc.) to stay in Power no matter what. (Envoy's Statement) Ref. UN - Mar 2023.

    @aungmyint147@aungmyint14717 күн бұрын
  • No sympathy for them!

    @m4slim_33@m4slim_3315 күн бұрын
  • Freedom Fighters✅(Correct term) Rebels❎(Incorrect term)

    @Catler44@Catler4416 күн бұрын
    • rebel is a neutral term - they ARE rebels, rebelling against a military dictatorship, in a rebellion. 'freedom fighters' is just a marketing term. there is NO shame in being called rebels, and the myanma peoples fighting against the tatmadaw can take PRIDE in being called rebels against the tatmadaw's many evils.

      @DomWood@DomWood16 күн бұрын
    • @@DomWood Rebel is a negative term to the freedom fighters. The word Rebel is no longer relevant to this modern world. They're fighting for their Democracy, they earn the term freedom fighters not rebels. Rebel is very generic term and negative to the viewers.

      @Catler44@Catler4416 күн бұрын
    • @@Catler44 I posted a response but it got filtered for some reason, we'll just have to agree to disagree and share in our support of myanmar's people and their right to justice and dignity

      @DomWood@DomWood16 күн бұрын
    • @@DomWood some of our comments are not fitting with their narrative that's why it is filtered but we are on the same side, may they achieve long lasting peace and prosperity. May their people embrace democracy where people are allowed to express their grievances towards the unjust and corrupted military official. Again I apologize if my language seem provocative to you. 🤝

      @Catler44@Catler4416 күн бұрын
    • @@Catler44🤝 it's a shame we can't express ourselves properly, but thank you for this respectful conversation anyway

      @DomWood@DomWood16 күн бұрын
  • don't use the Junta as Government, shame on you. Should use some pronouns like The Thief of Power or something like that. be respectful to Myanmar People.

    @mmnetwork8094@mmnetwork809417 күн бұрын
    • That's just how politics work for like forever

      @captainstag8189@captainstag818916 күн бұрын
  • Karen are not rebellious they fight for their own country freedom ok.

    @mainaunt4447@mainaunt444717 күн бұрын
  • Down junta

    @fahadcisman@fahadcisman17 күн бұрын
  • Bangladesh will be Allie with the Arakan Army

    @amibangladesh7512@amibangladesh751217 күн бұрын
    • Bangladesh should take back it's Rohingyas living illegally in India.

      @pritsingh9766@pritsingh976617 күн бұрын
    • @pritsingh9766 push them to Myanmar, aren't you a superpower? Or do you just say superpower by mouth only?

      @amibangladesh7512@amibangladesh751217 күн бұрын
    • @@amibangladesh7512 The superpowers Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia should give them refuge.

      @user-4m9-dr80h4@user-4m9-dr80h417 күн бұрын
    • @@pritsingh9766 most informed BJP voter

      @DomWood@DomWood16 күн бұрын
  • Why are myanmar groups called resistance group and Hamas is called terrorist group by DWNazimedia? While both groups are fighting the tyranny regimes

    @bintarmupiza542@bintarmupiza54216 күн бұрын
    • Your comment answers itself. 😂 Even if it's a tyrannical government, it's still the de jure government.

      @silverybound@silverybound16 күн бұрын
  • Miseur basskullu

    @user-wq5rh9cn4e@user-wq5rh9cn4e17 күн бұрын
  • Mymar govt suprted by china and russia and north korea

    @PrinceKmhero05@PrinceKmhero052 күн бұрын
  • Eu&Usa sould support Anti - Junta Military Government

    @kanisornpanichakoon6684@kanisornpanichakoon668415 күн бұрын
  • Terrible color contrast on your graph. Alteast make it red and blue and not different shades of blue.

    @mrbugibugi@mrbugibugi16 күн бұрын
  • Duffer generals don't care about their country like Pakistani generals

    @tauqeerakbar3595@tauqeerakbar359515 күн бұрын
  • This situation is for some reason not as important as Isreal and Palestine. Are these lives less worthy ? Hypocrisy

    @freedombro6502@freedombro650217 күн бұрын
    • There is little to no outsiders interest involved here. That's why. Burma has been isolationist for half century at this point.

      @absentmindedshirokuma8539@absentmindedshirokuma853917 күн бұрын
  • Mymar rebals suprted by india america isreal european union austrilia and nato countries

    @PrinceKmhero05@PrinceKmhero052 күн бұрын
  • Don't understand his English 😅

    @danieltan8247@danieltan824717 күн бұрын
  • this is why ASEAN is worst Org compare to others org

    @poknycollantes@poknycollantes16 күн бұрын
    • The ONLY reason hard cold communist Vietnam, absolute monarch Brunei, and western democracy timor can get along under one banner is for that very reason. Otherwise the organisation would simply fall apart.

      @absentmindedshirokuma8539@absentmindedshirokuma853915 күн бұрын
    • ASEAN is an economic community, any political disorder is clearly written with no intervention treaty. If you expected something like the EU, then you'll have to have all countries having democratic values.

      @reisen1932@reisen19327 күн бұрын
    • ​@@absentmindedshirokuma8539Vietnam is far from a hard cold communist, from all the communist countries in the world, I'd choose Vietnam to live in. But I do agree that the only neutral countries that are holding ASEAN alive are Vietnam, W.Timor, Brunei or Indonesia.

      @reisen1932@reisen19327 күн бұрын
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