How do Russians Cope with Heavy Tank Losses?
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It is undeniable that Russian tank losses are high. They have had their tanks destroyed, damaged and abandoned, and the numbers are now in the thousands. While Ukraine still manages to keep taking out their tanks, what are Russians doing to counter such high losses?
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by documentry you mean propaganda, taking a cashier from a bank and calling them a mechanic or a technician after 2 weeks training doesnt make it fact
@@jukeseyable This war has been going on for more than a year I'm pretty sure they have more experience than two weeks
agreed some might have 4 weeks. as an engineer, i can tell you for a fact, even 6 months in many people are barly competant, let alone in a position to work indepenently and efficiently@@YamiOpps
Covert cabal on KZhead went to a lot of trouble to buy satellite imagery of all of Russias tank depots from before the war, throughout and again just recently. He’s counted both amount of MBTs and IFVs and type. So we know for a fact Russia has lost literally half their total MBTs and IFVs
Are losses like this every expected in simulation? Is this always the plan or a strategy.
Tank Losses is one thing, but having to train a new crew to operate a tank proficiently in combat is another.
Although the thing is not all of the crews in the destroyed/disabled Tanks are lost due to their heavy armour. The only crews that are likely completely lost are the ones when ammunition cook offs happen ..and tbh Ukraine doesn't have very much capability to do that as the Ukrainians rely heavily on their artillery and mines to stop the Tanks which are excellent at disabling Tanks, however unable to penetrate the armour
@@franzxaverjosephconradgraf6850 the footage from Avdiivka battle field is ...not very optimistic towards how many of those who managed to leave the tank managed to leave the battlefield.
assuming there were trained crews in a frist place
Eh they can learn on the job plus learning to use an ancient soviet tank is much easier than learning a modern tank
@@ivansherbinin well I haven't seen the photoes..however what I heard in the media sounded more like Russian Tanks running into a minefield.
Tarkov reference is increadably meta bro
Pro gamer move
increadably
Tarkov ass, full of lame cheaters 😂
TheRapist
I got jumpscared by it, lmao
The statement in regards to "7 times" could simply be down to the numbers before the war being extremely low.
I'm shure one Austrian with a strage moustache thought something similar at some point
@@Awaken2067833758 that type of moustache was all the rage back then. Not strange at all.
@@Awaken2067833758 bahhahahha funny austrian painter thinking russia has no tanks in 1941🤡🤡
@@RobertLutece909 В России за 2023 год будет выпущено новых и отремонтировано - 1600 танков !!
@@RobertLutece909 The problems should've occurred once sanctions were placed against Russia. Russia imported practically all chips, electronics, parts and heavy machinery before the war. Even at this point i doubt they are able to produce high quantities of "modern" vehicles. As is evident by lack of sighting on anything but old T-72's and BMP's that were scraped from long term storage. They are probably eventually going to be able to produce much more, but for now T-90M's and such are seen too rarely to think that there is any sort of mass production going on like was seen with the models.
i would argue that a farmer is much more capable of repairing heavy machinery than somebody who just got out of training
tank engine or tractor engine - almost no difference
And I would argue that a farmer is needed to farm to feed the tank crews. Imho the most important and essential worker of all.
Well russians might understand as "farmer" people who lived in Kolhoz. Basicly a ranch in soviet style. These depend on deliveries of hay from actuall farms and mostly just are villages with few big barns to keep care of. Or gardens with cucmbers, tomato and potatoes, most popular options for place like this. Tho other cultures can be grew. Or it could be just a someone with unspecified job from "dacha" area. Its city orbital sub settlements with heavy lean on small gardening. Eldery, unable to find better work, yuong families have tendency to move there. Basicly everyone who seek calmer and cheaper life. You must be handyman to have comfortoble life there, but not necessarily a skills of repairman.
100% very good at problem solving without access to fully stocked workshop
Doubtful. I don’t think a goat herder knows much about machines
I rather be a mechanic than a front line soldier in a war.
Especially for an army like the russian one.
You cant pick... You can be lucky and say you worked AS a machinist or Welder.. That could help
yea, it sure is better to be a western foot solider because they only gang up to bully poor bastards that can't defend themselves (except in Nam, except in korea, except in...)@@Notmyname1593
You'd still be a Frontline soldier you would work on repairs at the front
@@Notmyname1593and ukraine
In Serbia we had tank that has been "destroyed" 3 times and its still in service now.
How "destroyed" it was? Do you have any information? Because I need to know if a blown up off the air turret can be repaired or not.
@@wj5764 It can be repaired assuming the hull itself hasn't blown anywhere. It'd probably need to have all parts replaced and at that point it's questionable whether it'd be worth it.
In Bosnia there is a guy who has been killed 5 times, yet he still lives. Serbs have serious skill issues when it comes to imperialism
@@rgbforever4561 maybe he had cat ancestors. So there are 4 lifes left.
NATO "destroyed" hundreds of Serbian tanks when they were bombing Kosovo but afterwards they couldn't find a single one of the "destroyed" tanks.
I think people underestimate just how repairable tanks are in comparison to the cost of making a new one. As long as the turret ring on the hull isn't deformed or the inside aren't completely torched, you can repair them if you can recover them.
tell me more mr tank expert
@@kidkiqueooooooh the sarcasm
If I fart inside a tank, it's a total loss.
@@tackytrooperI can confirm
the thing is - you can only recover them if you win the battle and control the field afterwards. If you dont control the area, even a simple damaged track (mobility kill) with a perfectly functioning rest of the tank becomes "lost"... And in static warfare, and no mans land between the front lines...
I'd like to see how Ukraine is dealing with armored losses seeing they don't have the luxury of large scale domestic production and have to primarily rely on foreign donations
Ukraine basically doubled its tank force by capturing intact over 500 Russian tanks during the fighting in 2022, Ukraine then received another 500 T-72s, PT-91s and M-55S from Eastern European allies and is slated to receive another 260+ Western tanks. In terms of spare parts Ukraine still domestically manufactures spare parts as it has one of the Soviet Union's tank factories in Kharkiv, though production is now dispersed due to missile attack while Western armour will be shipped back to Europe for extensive repair.
They don’t replace them, they cry to the west for M1 Abrams 😂
@@fludblud I think it's important to say that a lot of these ,,captured" tanks were scuttled by Russians, weren't able to be towed back from frontline due to danger or had been recaptured by Russians. A lot of them were also destroyed by AFU in controlled demolitions. So while there were 500 abandoned tanks captured officially, it's very hard to make out how many of those could be used by AFU. You don't see Russian tanks often being used by Ukrainians.
@@hydra8845can’t be any worse than crying and find every excuse as to why you’re still in a war with Ukraine and haven’t won by now….
@@Palach624 They don't use them.
1. Reactivating tanks from deep storage 2. Building new tanks 3. Repairing destroyed tanks
I hope you realize that "deep storage" means rusting away in the open. Check our Covert Cabal, he actually buys satellite images and counts russian "deep storage" stuff.
Damaged tanks, not destroyed
@@creakychair9387some tanks that i think are destroyed are actually repairable. But yea, fully burnt tanks probably can't be restored.
You could salvage things like ammo, guns, and mechanical parts from destroyed ones if you can't fix them as well
It's going to be hell for Ukrainian maintenance crew because Ukraine not just operate T - series tank but also Leopard 2, Challenger and Abrams tank. That's just main battle tank, the APC there are Bradleys, BMP and others.
It didn't seem to be in mainstream videos, but I saw an explanation of the start of T-80 production from someone in the Ministry of Defense. It was stated that the new T-80s would be used by army and marine units in the Arctic region. Gas turbine engines are preferred in this region. I suspect that this is due to Sweden and Finland joining NATO and the need to strengthen forces in this area, rather than the current operation in Ukraine.
But everything will end up in Ukraine probably.
iirc it was because Gas turbine were more reliable in those regions and could be started quicker
I thought that Sweden wasn't in nato yet?
Russia doesn’t have marines, they have Naval Infantry
@hydra8845 Same concept, different terminology. Marine infantry is also valid but means the same thing.
guys lets be real . the russians and ukrainians cope about their losses so much
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true, both sides wont tell how many men and equipment they lost, both play it down
@@kthec1298 So the same story of every war ever. At least while the war is happening not after some historical investigation.
Let's talk about Ukrainian air force
for real they tone down their own losses and inflate their enemies losses@@kthec1298
Wow! One of the most balanced non propaganda videos about the conflict I've seen. I've been a detractor before but this was great work Red Effect.
and people say he is pro russia because of cons with lezerpig
You don't sound very sincere to me.
@@carkawalakhatulistiwa I think laser pig is extremely pro Ukrainian rather than red effect is really pro Russian and laser pig has admitted he is pro NATO/Ukraine openly he basically said I like them cope 😂
@@mattbanco4406Red Effect is litteraly Croatian. People like Lazerpig like to treat war as a sport where they can cheer for a side because it's happening on the other side of the world. People like Red Effect like to view facts objectively, because one day they might have to do the fighting.
@@92HazelMocha not to mention whenever people like laser pig hear someone with the eastern European accent they automatically assume Russian bot because they think they’re from Russia even though theirs quite literally over a dozen Eastern European countries. Like history legends is another guy I listen too, people call him a Russian bot because he has a very thick accent when he speaks English. I’m pretty sure he’s Romanian though 😭
I love these kind of technical analysis videos a lot more than just frontline reports
This Commander at 2:40 looks like he fresh stepped out of Command & Conquer👀😅
With drones routinely destroying abandoned tanks, how many damaged tanks ever get back to be repaired? Just those still mobile enough to drive back under their own power?
It mostly depends on where and when exactly the tank was damaged. If the loss occured during an assault, and the vehicle was hit on "no mans land", so between the positions of aggressors and defenders, it wont be recovered until one side takes control of that territory. If the loss occurs behind the lines, it can be retrived quite quickly. It also depends on the capabilities (ARV, towing equipment) a given unit operating in the region has, or if it can be supported from other units. In the aggression of Russia on Ukraine both sides are recovering combat vehicles if only they are able to. Every single armored vehicle is an important asset.
Sometimes, yes, but I also see Russians and Ukrainians use the cover of darkness to recover those tanks. Sometimes they get lucky if no drones are around.
Light drone payload is limited, so most common warheads are modified RPG-7 HEAT or RKG-3 anti tank hand grenade, which are both relatively weak. HEAT penetrating effect is like pushing a pencil through cake, it just makes a linear hole though weakly armored tank hull and turret roof. If the plasma stream does not hit anything important, it might just travel through the floor. Hit placement with drone is the thing, that's why drone operator circles around trying to find best possible angle. Every tank has weak spots and vital equipment. Also demoralizing effect is pretty hard, crew can abandon tank and not investigate the severity of the hit. Tank can be kinda ok and drivable after drone attack, but crew got hit from the flying metal and instrumentation pieces. If you get the tank to burn, then it is usually toast and only good for scrap metal collection. If not, then the fix might be rather simple, but then and there impossible at the field. Drone hit could make just enough damage so the engine won't start or jam the transmission.
@@juhaantti-poika9955I think you might be underestimating HEAT warheads alittle bit. While traveling through solid armor it is a very narrow hole that’s created, but the moment that solid metal ends the plasma/liquified copper and steel come flying out in a quickly widening cone pattern spraying the inside with super heated metal.
Honestly a 7x production increase isn't that impossible or weird really. Throughout all of recent history you would be lucky to get 50 tanks of any particular type produced in a year. Because when there isn't war you don't need war time production, so they only run one shift and they don't have high quotas or anything. Now running those factories 24/7 with extremely high quotas, well it's not hard to see how they could take that from 0.1 tanks per day to 0.7 tanks per day. 250 tanks per year isn't exactly Impossible, and that would be a roughly 7x increase over the average production of the T90 over the last 30~ years.
The Problem? Russians lie for everything. Unless they're going T-34 levels of lack of care I don't believe for a second they even doubled the production of new hulls, they didn't deliver with the Su-35, neither will they with anything.
Pre-war, I think Russia's tank production was kinda idling anyway, awaiting the introduction of T-14. Just slow production to keep a core of the workforce, slowly updating the Russian tank fleet, and filling export orders. There's just the little problem, in that T-14 has been "coming soon" for a long time now, and will probably never enter service. Cost, and a new batch of "lessons learned" will probably require yet another new tank design.
They are claiming massive increases in production with pretty minor increases in the defense budget while also massively increasing the size of the Army while paying soldiers substantially more than ore-war. They are either lying about the product tion numbers, the budget numbers or both. But either way you are better if just ignoring what the Russians are claiming.
@@scoobydoobers23 Kinda, when you see the Russians start babbling nonsense about something, it's a very good indicator of where Russia knows it's having problems.
Yeah but they are losing about 2 tanks per day, so .7 is a big increase but still not sustainable
if that's true how can my crew in wt do that in 30 seconds? (also the therapist from tarkov reference was a nice touch)
Snail magic obviously.
The Almighty Snail's power is unprecedented against some drunk battalions
They got F1 pit crew training.
because sigma Sergei is strong
Hadn't been seeing this videos in my feed for a bit there, glad they're back.
Never forget, in ww2, the luftwaffe never ran out of planes...they ran out of pilots and gas. Machines and riflemen can be found, mechanical skills can not
I read an article a while back that tried to answer the question of Russia's tank production capabilities. Long story short they were making 200+ news tanks and a further 800 refurbished tanks drawn from old stock. So about 1000 a year and could keep that up for about 3 years with known stocks.
If that's true then they would be out of tanks by now.
@@perkunast9680have they lost 3000 tanks already? Damn
@@Dantm928 ~2400 tanks,
@@Dantm928 at best it's around 1000 a year, they are loosing 20-30 a day. Also the old stocks have ran out out. Not to mention they are loosing double that in other wars and training.
Ural claims to be producing 100+ T-90s a month and also retrofitting a similar number of T-72s into T-72B3Ms. They say they can keep this rate up indefinitely and once all T-72s have been refurbished will focus entirely on the T-90. They now have all their workshops open and are running at Soviet Union levels of staffing. It's just the tip of the iceberg though, Kamaz, Kurganmashzavod and all the other military industries are now pumping out equipment at almost war economy levels with the Russian government DOUBLING military spending. On the surface this may be equated to simply doubling production but Soviet style weapons manufacture increases exponentially once mass production starts because weapons are designed to be cheap and simple to produce. It *may* be bullshit but honestly it seems to be holding up for 12 months now, I've haven't seen anything that would actually disprove the claim.
It baffles me that they're still not fixing the T-90/72 reverse problem. If they're replacing that many engines and transmissions, now would be a great time to remedy this huge design flaw. With the new T-80s, they're supposed to have a much faster reverse speed, so it's clearly something that the old men in Moscow know about.
Kid: In these times with the anti tank weaponry you got, it doesn't really matter how fast you can drive back or in general. You can't outrun these missiles and so on.
When making a tank, its all starts with an engine. Recently there's been a slow shift of abandoning the V-2 Engine design as it reached the maximum limitation of the engine and now starts development in Gas engines designs that focuses on reverse speed. One of the main reason why the reverse speed is still not "fixed" in because of their Russian Doctrine which basically summarized as "hills are a no-no to enter unless its ours" where flanking on high grounds is more on the focus of their armored divisions (this explains why their designs have terrible gun depression and reverse speed while focusing on high speed and rapid fire) Another reason is that redesigning the V2 Engine is significantly cheaper than creating a new engine to replace that one. Which kept the Soviet and Russian price for each tank low. Its better to redesign and simplify things than to create from the top.
Т-80 has a turbine engine. All of the rest do not. It might have something to do with the reverse. Maybe there isnt enough space on the diesel tank.
Yeah, it's kinda weird considering that Polish PT-91m and Czech T-72m4 had fixed that issue couple years ago
The real world isn't World of Tanks buddy
Not every tank lost is destroyed. Many can be repaired and sent back into service.
Even with ammo cook off and the turret popping off?
@@Pepsi69486obviously the ones that... don't do that can be retrieved haha 😅
Not every, but a high number. 1. Unlike WW2 or other conflict, tanks aren't being hit by other tanks, mines (in the case of Russian tanks), or bazooka-type weapons which might disable a tank. They are typically being hit guides anti-tank missiles or at least 155mm guided artillery rounds from the top. These tend inflict catastrophic damage. 2. Vehicles hit this way are highly likely to be hit again if not completely destroyed. Damage assessment from a drone can see how badly it was hit. 3. Vehicles hit this way which might still be recoverable, are extremely risky to covered. Ukraine knows where they were hit and are specifically waiting to take out recovery vehicles and crew. It takes a long time and some big equipment to recover a tank. It honestly only works if you'd secured that area. Today, taking hours to recover a T90 tank which was hit by an anti-tank missile is just asking for a HIMARs or 155mm round. 4. Lots of recent videos from eastern Ukraine make it look unlikely these vehicles (even if not completely destroyed) will be recovered. A tank advancing towards Ukraine positions is blown up by a 155mm strike and then the other tanks move around off the roads into mines. Well, I'm pretty sure that drone called in the 155mm to finish off any tanks laying in the fields. 5. Modern tanks has some extremely fragile bits of kit to make them remotely useful. While a tank might now be blown up by a landmine, I'm better all the optics, laser range finders, radios, etc. didn't react well to it. Even if you fix the tracks and holes in the tank, it's pretty useless without all the higher-tech gear. This is far more true for other systems such as as vehicle artillery, SAM systems, command vehicles, etc. 6. The crew may not survive. 7. Time spent repairing tanks may itself be a waste. Clearly tanks don't dominate anymore as anti-tank systems, drones, ground intelligence, HIMARS/artillery systems, etc. can take out tasks extremely quickly. Having 100 fixed tanks bank in the line might be worse than just spending those resources on something else.
@@BW022 Saying its just Russian tanks hitting mines is not fair. Its a solid 50/50 on whose tank hits a mine on any day (granted a lot of footage has come out about that. Tbf its either sit still and wait to be hit by artillery or try to make a run for it where you have 50/50 chance of death). Circa the failed Ukrainian summer offensive. But yeah all of this is valid. However if they were indeed useless why are both sides trying to get as many of them as they possibly can? Armor and a big gun is still armor and a big gun imo and I'd feel safer as a infantry man if a big tank is available to destroy a well fortified enemy position in like a city. Or to advance across open areas where machine gun fire is likely (like in Fury where the infantry are using Shermans as cover while advancing on German trench positions). I also believe not all tanks are being hit 2+ times unless its a actual close quarters engagement to ensure a kill. Kind of a waste of ammunition when said piece of armor could be recovered by either side (hopefully on the friendly side since regardless its one less enemy tank and one extra one for your side). Russian tanks, like T-72s are not as advanced as their NATO counterparts or modern equipment. They dont have all the delicate systems that could/will be a absolute pain to repair or replace should they be damaged. I saw a report a few months ago some Ukrainians were complaining that the Leo's are a pain to repair for that reason. Sure those features are nice but not necessary for the type of fight tanks are seeing in Ukraine. At the end of the day, if both sides want to get as many tanks as they can then clearly they still have a place on the modern battlefield. But thats just my two cents I guess.
@@flyingstars2998 Artillery can destroy anything include tanks
7 times probably included all the upgraded, refurbished, restored tanks both from the frontlines and from the stocks as well as newly produced T-90M. Not entirely unreasonable statement, if misleading quite a but. Uralvagonzavod now working in 3 shifts, opening a new production lines and storage areas. Compare it to pre-war times when they were closing the lines, and sealing unused floors.
- How do Russians Cope with Heavy Tank Losses? - They don't, because "Heavy Tank Losses" are imaginary.
So true, the Wests media is complete bullshit
Lmao the Tarkov woman is real
I wasn't expecting an Escape from Tarkov reference in the middle of the video (@05:13), lmao Thanks for the video as always Red! o7
2 words: Strategic reserves NATO seems to have forgotten the importance of this aspect of their miltiaries
Those europoors fucking relying on americans way too much to save their ass. Get your production up and running already yall
they are busy with pride parades instead of military
@@scrubvision5652lol a gay NATO soldier can shoot vatniks like anyone else
NATO isn't fighting this war, western countries aren't in war economy
@@scrubvision5652 That's why 0,5% of the GDP of NATO countries is enough to completely stop and push back the glorious and masculine Russian army ? That's why Russia isn't able to consistently stop old NATO cruise missiles ? Russian are dying, not westerners.
The T-90 is a sexy machine, easily the best looking tank out there. And before anyone starts complaining about politics or battlefield efficiency, none of that matters as long as it looks cool, that is the only thing that matters in military vehicles.
This guy gets it
Why yall so afraid of praising Russian equipment. Lmao. How oppressed and sad?
@@MGZettaThe hivemind doesn't like it when you praise the "orcs", regardless of their equipments or even people/soldiers.
That's why SS uniforms and the Vietnam era tigerstripe BDU are by far the best combat "armor".
@@MGZettaI see model kit builders being fan of russian armor and create bullshit captured versions to cope with their likings
5:13 Nice reference lol
Thanks RED EFFECT! 😊
PNMT is not the name for Sosna-U, it's the category it falls into. It literally means Night sight with thermal spectrum. Sosna-U formal designation is 1А40-4 с танковым прицельным комплексом Сосна-У
I wwii, there were small infantry combats over damage tanks, so they could be recovered and repared. Who owns the battlefield after the combat, can bring his damaged tanks back to repair them.
I have this eerie feeling that somewhere in Oryx, a tank might've been counted twice or even thrice after its initial lost and then got sent back to the front.
This is still a valid loss in my eyes. And either you cope with it by building a new tank (after totalling the destruction/making the rescue operation unavailable) or you are lucky and you can tow it back. I don't this this should be an "eerie feeling", this is how it works and this is what happens. As other comments pointed out... training the crew is much lengthier problem. Unless you just rely on "hey, T-72 is super easy to drive - here is drivers position, here is a gun, point, click, thing goes boom". (Which is where the eerie feeling should kick in.)
Orxy numbers are ridiculous and it's very clear that the western propaganda loves to sell all the destroyed Ukrainian tanks as Russian ones, even though reality won't change and by that the lie only works with braindead people who don't think about it even a single second. UK news even tried to sell a Leopard as Russian loss...
Whenever someone selects like ten random Russian tank losses on Oryx, they always find flaws and every single one of those losses are put into question
This is not the first time a similar situation can happen. During WW2, the Soviets, and the Allies to some extend, considered a loss every tank that couldn't be repaired within 24 h. Among those losses there were three main categories: tanks that could be repaired in the field, those that needed to move back to factories for a full refurbishment and those written off without any chance of putting them into service again. So yeah, there was a chance that in their own official records a tank could be counted as lost multiple times.
@@orenalbertmeisel3127can you give an example? and did you know you can directly inform the Oryx team on any perceived errors?
Vodka? Lots of vodka? Incredible, unbelievable amounts of vodka?
Love your vids dude! Keep it up! 😆
Would you be able to add links to these documentaries please? Id like to see them.
Thank you for the balanced reporting. When the media reports losses you assume complete loss, but it seems Russia is good at repairing. Like you say it would be to get some numbers on repaired tanks.
Could it be that the rationale for the new T-80 line is because the 2S19 MSTA also uses this hull, and they need more artillery units in the medium term?
Is that the world's smallest stick welder? That should hold up just fine...
Maybe the 7x number is also including refurbished and upgraded tanks
The escape from Tarkov therapist reference gave me a good laugh at 5:14
YESSS :) me to :)
At first i thought this video about something that happening on reddit but this ended up useful peace of info about how loses being maintained
It's the second tier suppliers that count. FACOs can always diddle the numbers between 'factory' tank fleets as: Export Variants awaiting payment/delivery and needing only minor sights/radio upgrades; 'Next Year' orders assembled from long lead items purchased half a decade prior in micro-lot increments; and first dibs on depot storage sites with usable Cannibalization Candidates. But the forward battalion and division repair shops; those are the ones ordering crates of widget X, say an ignition wire or batteries or fuel heaters, even lubricants and cleaning solvents and sealers. Or tools like air wrenches or electronic boresighting and BIT diagnostics. Come up short on these via tooled machine shops or chemical shops back home. Or due to uneven/intervaled delivery capacity as rail and truck scheduled freight manifest windows and the operational readiness of your armor is going to 'tank' in the worst sense. Force readiness will then follow a sine wave of building and lost force capacity relative to last routine maintenance and utilization/training rates as ops tempo rather than actual, in theater, inventory availability or even combat loss rates.
How do Russians Cope with Heavy Tank Losses? They make more.
You mean refurbish more?
….but not as many as they lose
They don't cope. They just keep burning their stockpile.
The Rostok owner saying that "tank production has increased 7x" may be true, but does not mean that 7x the number of tanks are being produced. It could mean that all production capacity, from repairs to tonnage to budget to workforce size has increased by 7 fold, with those numbers taken together. A single plant, if it doubles in size doesn't mean 2x as many tanks are rolling off the factory floor.
More likely as we know now it's just amount of rubles flowing, which leads to an "increase in military production" despite the budget being cut for example. EDIT: Due to inflation, of course. You need more rubles now to do the same thing as in 2022.
XD did not expect that random TheRapist picture. I was thinking about it but the image than appearing made me laugh
Watching this video was like watching the alien scenes from Mars attacks with the volume off.
So how exactly do you repair damage to the composite armor of a T-72s turret? I'm referring to the example shown in the video where the round went in between the ERA. Isn't that cast/welded steel with the composite array inside? You can't just take that off and put a new set in as it's an integral part of the turret. Isn't that one of the advantages of Western tanks where you can take the damaged armor blocks off and put new ones on?
you just use bondo and call it a fix
Just a bit of superglue and paint and it will look good as new.
If it's a B model u can replace the nera panels
@SynchroDCS how does that work, though? If the turret is welded or cast, isn't that one piece with the cavity filled with the panels for the composite and welded shut?
@@jakearmstrong2127 T-72B turret have openings on top you can quickly-ish open and replace composite inserts, either as repair or upgrade.
Next video : How do Ukranian cope with their Failed Counteroffensive
Probably in a similar way to the Russians, still having to fight on after almost 2 years, when Putin said it would all be over in 10 days.... If the Ukrainian counter-offensive had failed, then Russia would begin winning. But there don't appear to be any signs of that happening. Russia has been trying to win for almost 2 years now, so what's stopping them?
Well, like the failed Russian blitzkrieg invasion, which they cope now and call it attrition war.
@@dathit7315 lol ok
Next video. How does Russia cope with its failed offensive and the retreat of the Black Sea Fleet.
@@matthewnewell4517 failed offensive? like the one in bakhmut, mariupol, soledar? The Russians had losses but always achieved their goal.
That bmp donut at the end was sick
Very interesting video! Thank you
Russian factories are big, like, very, very big. They certainly have the capacity to create 7 times more tanks, but I would be surprised if they're already reached that point.
Very low pre-war production numbers could mean the 7 x is true, but misleading.
Russia only has one factory. People forget that the USSR production was largely outside of Russia only 3 tank factory existed inside Russia. 1 was shut down, the other converted into making tractors. The only tank factory they have is Uralvagonzavod. Sergey Shoigu claimed the figure was 3.6 times but we can assume that figure is actually much lower knowing how much they lie. What we have seen on the battlefield does not suggest vast numbers of tanks are being produced. If the figure is 7 times the question is where are all these extra tanks to then ?
@@maryginger4877they didnt have very low pre war production numbers tho. Uralvagonozavod was the largest tank producer in the world pre war
@redscope897 who told you they are lying? And recent videos with massive numbers of trains with tanks indicates they arent lying. Plus a bunch of new factories have recently been opened
@@redscope897 You're wrong, there're several of them. If we're talking about new tanks specifically there is at least two factories that I know about: Omsktransmash and Uralvagonzavod. There're also others factories that're producing BMPs, MRLSes and all sorts of heavy military machinery (UralTrasMash, Volgograd Tractor Plant, Kurganmashzavod etc.). All of those are very big in size and scale. And yes Tractor Plants are capable creating things that kill people.
I can't imagine spending hundreds of thousands of dollars and tens of hours working on one of these tanks just so some guys can drive around in circles and get destroyed.
It seems like Russia is being more careful with their armoured vehicles in Ukraine rn due to losses mostly rn they get disabled by mines or drones as the war is currently moving at a snails pace rn looks like Putin is playing the long game and waiting for Ukraine to lose western support
@@Pepsi69486 Proceeds to Vuhledar all over Avdiivka in mass armored charges that get obliterated en masse.
@bobbman3000 but the russians didn't get obliterated in either instance. Enough with the hyperbole.
@@Kroq_Gar 84 tanks and 153 IFV/APCs, all visually confirmed and every single one geolocated around Avdiivka within the last 2 months, is not getting obliterated? Russia hasn't had this high of a loss rate since the opening month of this failed invasion of Ukraine. Hell, this loss rate is well in excess of Russia's colossal losses around Bakhmut. If the loss rate continues for just another month, it would likely surpass the total lost vehicles around Bakhmut in like 9 months
Where does redeffect find these documentaries I wanna see ‘em
What do I search to get the original video with all sorts of boring details like how to clean the engine?
If you do large scale training missions you always have 5-10 percent losses..even human casualties..basicly most Russian tanks were lost in start recall how they just dump them aside if broken..there was all saying one tank to fight one in reserve one for spare parts..
my guess would be the comment about 7 times is in regards to the size of their work force not how many tanks they produce
I'd like to see all the details of the tank refurb. That stuff is unusual and as a mechanic I find it quite interesting. Not every viewer is a mere gamer.
yah what they show on Russian state tv are the good ones, most of hte time the refurbished tanks are just repaired to running order, and retain their SOviet interiors, with no IR, thermals etc.
Assuming that "7 times" number is an honest one, I would say it includes new production, repairs and refurbishment from deep storage. Pulling a tank in good condition from storage, giving it a service, chucking some fuel and ammo in it and delivering it to the army could be counted as a 'newly produced' tank (Companies all over the world do this kind of thing to pad numbers). For me I would say the production/repair/refurb is lagging behind, although this is anecdotally based on what is being seen in losses; T72 seems to be a rarer sight and T80 seems to be just as common, implying the mainstay tank is shorter in reliable numbers and so more use of the higher end stuff like T80 and T90 is needed to plug the gaps. Same with the sudden use of BTRs in assaults. BMPs are surely more suited but if they are getting short on reliable numbers, the BTR is needed to plug gaps that are appearing.
Assuming anything Russia says is honest is optimism over experience.
T80s are slowly replacing the T72 which is why we are beginning to see more of them esp as production ramps up. And Russian modernizations are not just "giving it a service and chucking some fuel" they are quite extensive, from armor, to transmission, to new optics and targeting systems, to new barrels.
@SvdSinner who told you Russia lies? So far we have seen Russia be rather surprisingly honest and Ukraine/West have been lying abt everything from Russia "losing" to Russia running out of tanks, men, artillery shells, food, boots, etc.
@@AndRei-yc3ti Surprisingly honest? Did you experience that on an LSD trip or something?
@@saltysalt7339 what exactly did they lie about then? Lmao. They werent the ones telling us Ukraine is running out of men, ammunition, boots, food, etc. They werent posting footage from ARMA 3 and passing it off as "Ukrainian losses". Neither were they passing off Ukrainian losses as their own, as Ukrainians frequently did by drawing Z on their lost armor. Neither were they telling us about the "Ghost of Kiev" shooting down Russian airforce lmao. Which is why i said "surprisingly honest".
Throw some more Tarkov stuff in it , haha
Trust me, it will work
Where can you see the documentary about the repairing camp? thanks for the video red
Was that presenter just standing there while a 50 tonne tank was spinning around suspended on wires?
Tanks and armored vehicles are important but are not used as intensively in this war as artillery and reconnaissance drones. I think it wouldn't be so bad for the Russians if they couldn't replace every tank 1 to 1. But I'm not an expert and that's just my opinion.
@@Asymmetrical-Saggin That's not what he said but whatever...
@@Asymmetrical-Saggin and get a life.
I found the kid locked in his basement 😂
@@Asymmetrical-Saggin are you ok? go outside and calm down or something man xD unprovoked raging in comments isnt a good look :P save it for reddit
Getting a repaired/upgraded tank, made by normal people with no skills…. I can imagine the weld quality😂
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idk man bradley welds were melting even tho that was top quality. lol. sadly missiles don't care about the quality.
@@MGZetta how is a weld supposed to protect you from a missile💀💀
@@MGZettamissiles don’t, but rounds do. Ya know, low calibre rounds like 5.56, 7.62, 12.5, 30, etc. poor weld quality creates gaps which slide open when hit. Look at damaged T34s in WW2, and you will see what I mean.
The "no skill" part applies to people watching this video and completely failing to understand its content. The people "without skills" are scholars and other intelligent professionists that get then trained extensively in what role they're gonna be placed- and it's not repairing tanks, that's reserved for people with extreme mechanical skills and passion, you'd know it if you could understand how complex and refined a tank engine is.
Thanks, Redeffect.
They probably meant the number of instances of increase in production by seven times--not the rate of production increased by seven times. Increasing production by 0.1 percent seven times based on the original factor of 0.1 still means they've only increased by 0.7 percent.
Tbh, the massive losses were really only towards the beginning or the first year of the war
Most of the Russian tank losses happened before they realized they were doing what the Ukrainians considered an invasion.
"How do russians cope with tank losses" They build more "How do ukranians cope with tank losses" They beg for more
You have nailed it
Build with what? Russias industry is a joke. And ukranie is building up factories.
@@timothykatende8484 he didn't
I guess you skipped The Whole World War II thing when Russia had a big for resources from America now they have a vast country where they are not invaded so they can pull from the rather large pool of outdated and completely useless tanks and try to patch them up and put them on the battlefield even though they are 50 or more years old the only tank facility that the ukrainians had was a t-64 manufacturing facility but even then with a country that was ranked 22 in military standing they've lasted this long and have slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Russian troops and decimated thousands of Tanks another vehicles that 3-day operation is not going so high buddy
The major lend-lease benefit to the Soviet Union, which included Russia and Ukraine, was in the form of Studebaker deuce-and-a-half trucks. It enabled the mobility that crushed the Wehrmacht, especially after 1943. @@ChristopherSloane
8:38 is that a BTR-50 on the background?
Shoigu stated a 3 fold increase in the production of AFVs. Consistent with going to 3 x 8 hour shifts.
You should make a "How does NATO cope with tank losses" video next
LOL, indeed. Where Russia builds more, using more in house technologies and has trained or engineers in training to repair. Europes approach is 'get the tax payer to buy some old M1A2's from US storage' I think its the Duran have said several times the West is severely lacking engineers where Russia has loads (Although not enough still) and where Russia prioritize productivity, the west prioritize profit.
Europe cannot afford the energy that kept their *declining* factories going. Heavy industry does not function well on wind and solar power. I hear that the Germans are now burning more *DIRTY* coal than ever before in their history. Oh, the irony...
Love how Medwedew is trying to pull off the Hugo Boss look while inspecting tank facilities to complete the irony.
How many t-72b where made? I only find list with both t-72b and t-72a listed together.
Thank you for this video. Was better then Discovery channel. I like your videos.
Make a video about Ukraine's production,repair and logistics of tanks and other armored vehicles especially soviet era equipment and not the NATO ones
Probably the same
Maybe but on production am very skeptical
During WW2 there was a phenomenon where the same tank could be "destroyed" 2 or 3 times, depending on how many times that tank was retrieved and repaired. Unfortunately oryx has given a incorrect impression of Russian losses, only about 2 out of 10 are actually identified and geolocated. The rest are unidentifiable, they could be Russian or Ukrainian, however when in doubt the kill is given to the Ukrainians. This has had the distorting effect where if you go online it seems as if, as a ukr minister on sky stated, the ukr have destroyed 5000 Russian tanks.
But they never state what happened to Ukraine's pre-war stockpiles of tanks ranging from 1500 to 2000
Precisely, the reality is that most of Russia's armor losses occurred during the start of the war. This makes sense since the assault force on Kiev was massive, and the lack of proper coordination and the Russian generals not having a good backup plan in case things went south caused massive losses to their side. They appear to have somewhat recovered, but they recoiled pretty hard, and that's why we've seen t62s, t55s, and various equipment dating all the way back to WW2 in some cases. The Russians needed a stopgap until they got their logistics and production in order. This is normal for most nations that go to war. Most people who watch the news know nothing about the Korean War tank panic, the missile gap, or the scrambling the DOD had to do during the invasion of Iraq. Most people don't question why the army adopted MRAPS when they were up armoring humvees. It was the exact same type of situation the Russians are in today.
@@kanestalin7246 especially considering ukrainian t64s are now a rare beast and they're mostly seen on export t72s, leopards and other tanks while Russians still mostly use BVMs, 72B3Ms and 90Ms
Your statement is very much false. I already saw this discussion in twitter and every example was defeated in few minutes. Like showing t-72b3 with no marks stated as destroyed in march of 2022 and saying "we dont know which loss this is".
Numbers simply make no sense because reality shows the exact opposite. Orxy paints a pictuer of an Ukrainian Rambo army with anime powers that just rofl stomps everything with ease, conquering pretty much as many tanks as they lose, so by Orxy, when Russia went in fresh, they got slaughtered, while Ukraine lost nothing PLUS got all those thousands of units from NATO. So by Orxy Russia is destroyed while Ukraine is 200%, 300% as strong as they started. That's a more stupid lie than the 1945 Endsieg fantasies and while people these days might be stupid enough to eat it, reality doesn't care. Reality never cares about lies.
That therapist image in the midle of the video was fun !
There are several categories of damaged tanks from minor breakdowns to having the turret blown off by the detonation of the ammo. The later category is likely not repairable.
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If it burns, it is likely scrap. The steel will be weakened and warped. It's easier to start from scratch.
During WW2 the Matilda was , in the North African desert, referred to as “ Queen of the Battlefield “. A somewhat illustrious title. Brought to a sudden stop by the Afrika Korps commissioning of an anti-aircraft gun to kill tanks. The 88mm . Although the British had devastating high velocity guns as well , the 17pdr, and the 25 pdr at El Alamein. The Germans did not produce large numbers of spare parts making repairs immensely difficult. Especially considering the overburdening of the Panther and Tiger with excessive weight , making the final drives barely good for 150 kms.
Fun fact: the Tiger tank was more reliable than the Panther. Most of Tiger's issues were on the first models. The improved ones were very reliable.
You will never, ever see a military video on KZhead where a Brit doesn’t chime in to do a comparison. It’s impossible.
Crews are much more valuable then the tanks themselves That’s why the Sherman was so effective There was numerous stories of Sherman’s being knocked out, then the crew hops out, gets a new one, and goes back to the fight Unlike tanks like the T-34, and the Panzer 3 The Sherman was extremely survival post penetration There was even a story of a crew that survived 4 lost Sherman’s, finally perishing in the 5th They killed 3 panthers, 7 panzer 4’s, a stug 3 and something else I believe All in an “inferior” Sherman A lot of times, it’s not the tank, but the crew (But having a better tank helps ALOT)
If Shermans were so good, why did the Germans opted to copy the T-34 designs instead during WW2? The Nazi's infamous Panther tank was based on a German design that copied the T-34, which Hitler disapproved whether it be out of pride or what not, but it was still used and became the basis for the Panther which followed many T-34 design philosophies and abandoned its predecessor's principles. However old habits die hard, the Panthers were still shitty machines because German-made tank engines are unreliable POS, and they for some big brain reason stuck a high-velocity but lower caliber gun on it just so it can excel at killing tanks but absolutely sucks against infantries when most tanks spend their time as infantry-support making it an expensive turd that doesn't justify its production cost unlike T-34s. T-34s were generally the best tank in WW2, and most people will arrive at this same conclusion if they just examine the T-34's battle performances in battle during WW2. It was cheap to produce, effective against both infantries and tanks as well as buildings, reasonably accurate, and had all around good protection for its purpose. Germany lost virtually all tank battles against the Soviet after their defeat at Stalingrad and pushed back to Berlin by T-34s after the Soviets ramped up T-34 production and use them in battle, not Shermans on the Western fronts.
If your tank costs twice as much to make and your only benefit is that your crew has a slightly better chance of surviving, I wouldn’t be calling it better. There’s a reason they are incomparible, and the fact that both the t34 and Sherman have similar capabilities is embarrassing for the Sherman
@user-wq2lu3fx7b Was more than a slightly higher chance of survivability, plus the Sherman was far more comfortable for the crew then a t34. Had slightly better Armour do to better materials, better optics, and similar firepower. Sherman was the better tank
@@layneparker7408 You’re not listening, it costs twice as much, no shit it should be the better tank, but the fact that, like I said, it can even come close to being compared to a t34 is once again, embarrassing for the Sherman. There is no comparison, let the Sherman rest on its own merit, no need to embarrassingly compare itself to a tank that costs half as much and could do roughly the same, hell some people think it was even better. If you really need something to compare to the Soviets, I haven’t heard a single person suggest that the soviet navy came anywhere close to American, German and the British ones, however the soviet tank industry was easily one of the best technologically in ww2, and it’s not a comparison I would easily take. It’s all due to different circumstances. The US never needed a perfect tank, if they had a strong navy. The Soviet Union, a very land based power, had to focus on tanks.
Do they recover the chassis and gun separately or together?
7:03 What information is he referring to on the mix of upgrades and new builds during T-90M production? The pre-war batches were almost all modernizations, but I had thought the wartime production was inversely almost all new.
These double ERA armor on top of these new tanks are getting even craziers. I wonder how effective it would be now
@@RobertLutece909well exactly brother if an arty shell impacts the era it will have lower effectiveness
@@RobertLutece909 yes they can
@@RobertLutece909 if the arty shell is a cluster, they the small era block will stop the small sub munitions shaped charges
ORYX is so silent nowadays
Because he quit, he already said he would back in May. The lists are still being updated on a regular basis by other members of the team.
@ahsokatano5798 lol
@@ahsokatano5798 ORYX realized that if they continue to lie on the same scale as before, people will ask questions why the Russian army is still advancing.
The scene at 7:50 was so smooth
At least they have a full and diverse lineup at this BR
Russia just a couple weeks ago used tanks en masse to assault Avdiivka. So, Russia can obviously produce so many tanks that they can use tanks en masse when there is an operational reason. And they will now surely replenish their tanks and then they can launch another armored mass assault. And then another, and so on.
Throwing away some 80 tanks and 130 IFVs in 6 weeks in a failed assault on a tiny town has no bearing on replenishment capabilities. It just means they had enough tanks on hand to use for that assault.
@@ImBigFloppalol Russia has aavdiika surrounded what are you on about. Ukraine is done.
@@ImBigFloppa They had enough tanks because they are not out of tanks and have extra tanks to use on operations like that. As for "throwing away", taking Avdiivka is another necessary step for completing the defeat of Ukraine. As for "failed assault", Ukraine seems to be in fact losing at Avdiivka, as Russia is leveraging positions that it gained with the armored assault. As for "tiny town", Avdiivka is a massively fortified town and something like twice as big in pre-war population than all of Ukraine's gains during its great "counteroffensive".
@gagelikesburritosuptheass What a troll ish thing to say!
@@chesterhiggens just like in bachmut where all the experts where like "that gonna let the front collaps"
Russian tank is cheap and spare part plenty . A damaged Leo 2 / Abram probably cost more to fix compare to a T-80 , of course retrieving tank wreckage is another problem but still . Ukraine tank fleet is mostly borrowed from NATO , multiple type of MBT will strain logistic as each tank demand different part , plus the donor may not willing to donate more . For Ukraine , each tank loss is a blow , more than Russia ...
Western tank crews survive and get experience. Russian tank crews get slaughtered. For nothing.
NATO also has a lot more money available then russia, so the cost isnt really that relevant. And in a direct conflict of NATO vs russia, the leopards and abrams would probably have a positive KD. Considering NATO would have air superiority etc. for ukraine a loss of western mbt is ofcourse a problem. But mostly borrowed is BS. They have a few western tanks, majority are their own.
@@Jonnesdeknost NATO only have air superiority vs goat farmer who don't have sophisticated AA system . With the introduction of drone warfare , tank on tank is rarely occur nowadays , a cheap drone can ruin any tank , which happened to Leo 2 . Heck i doubt NATO have more money than Russian , they can't even keep supplying to Ukraine and some member suggest they stop funding altogether to tend theirs own country economy .
@@kampfer91NATO’s has much more money than Russia lol what are you talking about lmao.
@@what4288 Those money not come out of nowhere , each member have to contribute but when someone hesitate to hand money and free stuffs to Ukraine , other will follow suit . France , UK and Germany can't keep up with the ammunition and equipment demanding as theirs economy going down hill while USA can only print much dollars while having 2 conflicts at the same time . NATO and USA is not willing to keep this conflict going and in fact secretly told Zelensky to make peace with Russian and Zelensky complain about it .
Geez! The “factories” look like my high school’s automotive class room.
5:14 caught me so off guard🤣
So basically they can produce new tanks. But I think that they should somehow increase survivability of crew, they are far more valuable than the tanks itself
No matter what the survivability rate, russian losses are always 100% on the internet. What russia needs is better internet.
You're not fixing crew survivability without coming up with brand new design. That said, not loading T-72 to the brim with reserve ammo does help with ammo cookoffs, as autoloader carousel is in statistically safest place to be in a tank, new, less volatile propellant that doesn't reduce shell velocity also could help. Sure, direct hit will make nice boom, but so will in Leopard, Leclerc, K2, Challenger or Abrams, you're not bypassing physics and you better pray for blast doors to hold when ammo explodes, assuming its not hull ammo supply that goes off.
@@fungames24 I don't get the pun but factually Russia has more modern internet infrastructure then US and their service prices are a fraction of what's charged in US.
@@BigSmartArmed If russia has modern internet, then why does the internet say russia lost all its tanks and is fighting with shovels?
Higher survivability must have been achieved with T-14. Unfortunately/fortunately (depending of your views), it seems T-14 won't be introduced massively in this war, if it will be at all. Russian arms bureaus currently experiment with "it's only good if we can produce it" formula. I.e. BMP-3M Manul, BTR-22, T-90M, 2S43. This method also seem to being applied to firearms, looking at latest models of AK-12. Basically Soviet arms, heavily upgraded up to standards of XXI century, both conceptually (BMP-3M, 2S43) and technologically (T-90M).
Honestly its really interesting to see how they want normal people to go into these manufacturing jobs, this could really help the Russian economy as a whole and give everyday people easier access to better jobs, possibly increasing the Russian people's stake in their country.
Except these jobs are 100% financed by the russian people. And other things suffer for it. Decaying infrastructure? Nyet must repair more tanks. Bad education system? Nyet must repair more tanks. Incentives to actually grow the economy? You guessed it: More tanks.
Taking people out of your economy to build weapons is not good for economy it leaves shortages of other goods. Which is why inflation is so high in russian and the interest rates is at 12%.
@@heyho4770США - 2% на армию РФ - 1% Прям сильно страдают Рабочих мест и так полно
@@heyho4770how have you come to this conclusion? From listening to the same people who were claiming that the Russian economy would collapse within a year? LOL I can agree with the bad infrastructure in some sectors and regions in Russia, but bad education or lack of incentives to grow the economic activity is just propaganda BS LOL
thats far from the truth, unlike the west, the russian economy grew over the past 2 years and will still grow. meanwhile here in the west everyone can afford less, stagnation and even in netherlands official recession. @@heyho4770
what is the documentary you mentioned called?
Those repair welds look like my welds, and i suck. "Grinder and paint, make you the welder you ain't"
As a former tank soldier, I can say that it takes a good 12 months AFTER a soldier has completed their basic tank training to become a proficient, reliable part of the crew. By this stage of the war, I'd guestimate (based on visually confirmed losses and data from WW2, the closest peer on peer comparison), that they've had more that 50% crew losses among those who participated in the initial attack. Replacing these crew is going to be way more difficult than replacing their tanks. The footage that we've seen of clearly panicked IFV drivers running over their own dismounts points to a significant training failure in the current Russian military. The Russians could have 10,000 tanks magically appear in their inventory overnight, but that means that they now need 30,000 trained crew, plus logistics and support personnel to get them into service. I just don't see this happening, especially given that tank training requires a higher number of instructors, than say, infantry training, and many of their best potential instructors, have been participating in the new national sport of turret tossing. By way of comparison, only five percent of the German soldiers, who participated in the first day of Operation Barbarossa were alive when the war finally ended less than four years later and post 1943 (after the battle of Kursk and the Soviet summer counter offensives of 1943), German tank crews were vastly inferior to their earlier counterparts.
But same constraints also apply to Ukraine by a much bigger margin.
@@dragonstormdipro1013But Ukraine has not, so far, relied as much as Russia on its armor, which hass seen less combat actions by the nature of the front currently. The first days have probably been very bloody. But past then and once the front settled, ukrainian armor saw relatively little action. And even less offensive actions, or losses induced by a cauldron.
@@marcbuisson2463 I disagree. We have seen countless footages of Russian lancet strikes on Ukrainian tanks. We have also seen the disastrous Summer counteroffensive, as well as frequent decrease in the quality of the tanks used by Ukraine, with Leo 1 being proposed as the mainstay tank nowadays. This all points to massive losses. Unlike Russia, Ukraine was facing an adversary with artillery and air superiority. So even many of their storage facilities have been destroyed.
@@dragonstormdipro1013 The videos of strikes are both russian and ukrainian, you'll find the same on both sides, saying contrary things. I would not base my thoughts on this. The Summer counteroffensive had armored pushes on the fingers of the hand. Does not mean they went well, but they resulted in not particularly significant numbers. Don't know on what you base your arguments for saying the ukrainians are mainly on Leo1, those have not arrived in large numbers yet, and there's still plenty of T-72 from what I've seen (maybe I'm biased, won't deny it). Russia does not hold air superiority, and russian planes don't come near enough the front to destroy tanks. Neither does ukrainians. It's one of the reasons of the freezing of the front. Russian artillery superiority does not translate in tanks destroyed. And not even in advances on the front. And this superiority has been deteriorating since August 2022. And yeah, no, Ukraine has spent most of the past 18 months in defensive operations, of urban settlements. It's just not the kind of situations where you deploy tanks in significant numbers. Does not mean that Ukraine has not last its tanks at all. There has likely been significant amounts of its reserves destroyed. But when you add 600 T-72 sent by eastern europe to the pre-war amounts, plus stocks captured, there's still a significant share of them working. Or that have gone through repairs, it's fairly doable to repair/rebuild officially lost tanks currently in czechia and Poland.
@@marcbuisson2463 Russian planes don't come in the back, but their cruise missiles do. It's not overwhelming and it’s not a sureshot solution but it’s still something Ukraine lacks. Regarding 600 ish T72s from EE, I don’t think Ukraine got those. They were promised, not delivered. Just like Leo 1 is still mostly in proposal state, not delivery. If you saw the leaked US papers in January, you would see Ukraine by Jan 23 had 43 MBTs left. By April, iirc altogether 230 MBTs were donated to Ukraine out of 800 promised. (Army recognition). I think some more has been delivered later but the rate has fallen drastically since then. After all, Poland and Slovakia refused to send more arms later. It’s really hard to say lack of Ukrainian armoured assaults are due to them not doing it deliberately, or because they lack the numbers. I believe it’s latter. After all, they tried multiple armoured assaults throughout summer 23, all failing miserably just like the Russians.
I've worked as a welder for a company that made massive machines for road paving, these were of course less complicated than tanks, although they were far larger, I've seen someone claim that before the war these companies were producing 7 or so tanks each year, we would finish ones of these machines every 3 or 4 days. As wartime production increase i don't find it hard to believe they could make a tank each week, you could even go faster than that with multiple shift to work 24/7, even more if they were more liberal in the application of workplace safety regulations to cut down on time (and we're dealing with russia here). Imo it's completely in the realm of possibility, their biggest issues would be finding the parts they can't manufacture themselves, like those pesky thermal sights, microchips and the like.
I worked in a welding shop during the oil boom in 2012. We were the overnight crew and built a new mobile drilling rig each week. We had 6 bays going 24 hours per day so all told probably 4-6 vehicles per week 2 stories high.
Feels like they are trying their best to heavily armor the deck with reactive armor to protect against drone strikes. Does anyone know how effective that is?
Not very. If a HEAT warhead(even old ones) hits from a top down angle, the roof armor is too thin even after the warhead's effectiveness is reduced by ERA
The therapist from tarkov made me burst out laughing was not expecting that 😂